#Starting Nex

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sinful musk
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What's the best way to get started grinding Nex? I only have experience on the first week of release, so not too familiar with current small team strats. I was thinking I'd use fang, camp masori body/chaps, and bring a 4way tbow range switch for p2 and minions. What ring do people usually wear? I assumed with VW you'd want to camp LB, but I've seen setups where Ultor is used. I think trios would be tough to start with, but I'm leaning towards 4-5 person teams until I get comfortable with all mechanics.

signal lion
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use the kodai fc

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assuming you have a main with gp for splits

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if not there's a ffa fc but cant remember the name and hear its mixed in skill

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and yh just camp lb, ultor switch is tryhard even for trios tbh

crude sigil
# sinful musk What's the best way to get started grinding Nex? I only have experience on the f...

Starting with 5man is a good idea, but id try to jump into trios asap after you grasp the basics, its way more fun and more efficient with a decent team, also when u switch to trio learning MP2 (Melee phase 2) is p nice, makes it way more entertaining and p2 faster (idk if people still do mp2 after the crossbow weakness, haven't been at nex for a few months), masori camp is a good shout, but on trios i liked to use a bandos switch if the rest of team was using bandos/torva switches to not tank all of last phase (it rolls aggro based on melee defence on last phase) LB camp is a good shout, ultor switching requires a lot of timing and can be too sweaty imo so i wouldn't bother
In terms of where to do it, if u don't have friends/clannies to run nex with(wich is the best way to learn and also to get consistent kills) id go to the NexFFA cc, it has quite a meh reputation because the owner is a complete nutjob but the cc itself isn't bad and its also the most active one, teams can be a hit or miss but once u spend a few weeks there u will start recognizing who to run with, you can also make teams yourself and not accept JuanitoVenezuela24 camping karils and acb

pine glade
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trios are forgiving enough. and skill wise bad teammates dont matter much, youll farm mvps and theyll tank most of the kill if you are geared properly. i did all of my kc there and mvpd like 75-80% of the time just doing nex with literally anyone who showed up.

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it doesnt rly matter what you do so long as you manage to not die/grief during shadow phase

crude sigil
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but most of the time it really doesn't matter if they are good or not as long as u are not dead weight

young edge
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Adding a question. Is it trolling to do nex without tbow? Assuming you have every other upgrade

rain bloom
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I thought it was fine without tbow, but I'm not sure

pine glade
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yeah itd just be competing for mvps where itd matter

sinful musk
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Will save this to reference when I finally decide to jump into this grind

jagged bloom
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i do it with no voidwaker/tbow and i get like 30% contribution to the kill in trios so take that how u will

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i think in my case the no vw is alot more troll bc of things like mp2

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i still mvp like 15% of the time though so its not horrible

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also just looking at dps calc youre only tbowing the minions bc acbing nex is better damage

pine glade
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if you are doing nexffa thats just cuz people there often suck. contribution wise reaver and minion dmg is weighted same as nex. with max gear you can mvp super majority of time in nexffa if you know what you are doing, and often pretty heavy mvp (low 40)

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tbow and vw/zcb will make up a big part of that

signal lion
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jagged bloom
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I think it changed to be this way after they gave her weaker heavy defence

sinful musk
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Ah, so pre-ZCB you now use ACB over tbow for P2?

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But then you wouldnt just bring tboe just for minions...

scenic nacelle
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You bring tbow also because the dps is substantially better during the final phase where you’re forced to range nex sometimes during pray melee because your rubies will turn off partway through

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Just checked it looks like the meta setups for small teams dont bring zcb at all anymore because it isn’t enough of an improvement over tbow in p2 and vw is a better spec option

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So if you have tbow and acb definitely don’t bother bringing it it’s a waste of inv space that could be another brew or two

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Plus in p2 everyone who isn’t tanking can move in and out nex’s attack range with tbow to avoid damage and that doesn’t work as well with crossbows

pine glade
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and supplies are not a concern if doing 3 mans at least

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especially, again, with how mvp works

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you do 1 more damage than someone you get a whole 10% amp on your total dmg

scenic nacelle
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I’m just basing it off of gear discord and petcord both of which just bring a 7 way tbow switch + vw along with max melee lb camp

pine glade
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well sniping mvps matters much less for split teams

scenic nacelle
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For duo/trio

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True, there might be some difference but since petcord is also the same I imagine the no zcb setup is more efficient in a mix of kills/mvps per hour since pet isn’t a drop you can split

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Not claiming to be a nex expert but I generally trust the gigasweats who develop those methods and setups to have done the calcs and not do something stupid like not consider mvp

pine glade
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i'm not arguing against the no crossbow, i'm saying banking tbow doesnt make sense given a significant part of the fight is minion/reaver/p5 sub 100 ruby bolt

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the value of zcb is either as a spec weapon, or if you have to brew a lot while hitting the boss

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if you have vw that eliminates the need for zcb for spec, though i recall pre nex-heavy weakness it being close so not sure what changed there. id assume now zcb is pretty favored...

scenic nacelle
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Oh lmao maybe I wasn’t clear I said bank acb

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Definitely bring tbow

sinful musk
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It just surprises me a little that you wouldn't camp masori body/chaps while fanging in small teams. I own bcp and torva legs, so I understand that would be -2 max hits by camping masori. But if it translates to taking less damage and brewing down less...

scenic nacelle
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I believe the theory is if everyone brings a full melee switch everyone will share tank roughly equally and if you’re doing the melee method nex will melee you most of the time so torva/bandos actually has more defense against it

sinful musk
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But now that I think about it, you guys warned above that whoeever isn't wearing tanky armour will be tanking...

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Ok yep yep

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Which def bonus is it speficially, do you know? Range or slash maybe

pine glade
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good teams use melee gear well, as others said bad teams youll just tank for fun

sinful musk
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Yea Id be running FFA

scenic nacelle
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Iirc it’s actually based on mage def for tank

pine glade
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people love to lose their heart boost early, so if you can keep yours up till blood phase youll be sitting very very pretty

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idk how shitty its considered but yeah

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saves supplies, boosts ur own dps etc

scenic nacelle
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Heart on iron lil risky to assume tho

sinful musk
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So let's assume im running "bad" FFA teams. Youre saying I should match gear as best as possible? I feel even shitters could be wearing full torva, but idk

pine glade
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yeah thats true

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id default to double masori camp. if your team is good, OR if you are heavily prioritized as tank no matter what consider tank gear.

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i had a handful of good teams in nexffa where id consider swapping to melee gear to match but they never lasted that long

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ie what is said above- missing heart, missing masori piece

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that sort of thing (again specific to ffa trios)

sinful musk
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Already have saturated heart, just eventually need to get mas body/chaps before I consider nex

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I feel i got very lucky. Pulled vambraces and torva legs week of release and have never felt like I needed to go back

scenic nacelle
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You can probably get by well enough with karils/dhide as well but masori is really nice for tbow in general so probably a higher priority camp unless you’re sick of toa

sinful musk
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Oh no, Ill definitely acquire masori. Right now I finally built the courage to max after 475 days played, then ill get the new rancour amulet before continuing ToA