Charging orbs and battle staves is very good early game
#Very low lvl money making
static jolt
neat pier
weak junco
Considering how long it will take to get the sand, the soda ash, making the glass, making the orbs, making the tele tabs, making the elemental orbs (earth or air, both seem the same alch price so idk), then combining, then alching.... isn't that a long ass time and a lot of work for the profit you get?
weak junco
Woah I wasn't expecting such a fast response haha
Is the profit THAT good that it makes up for the time spent?
neat pier
You get the sand etc anyway for crafting which is about as efficient as you can do
So the time is really buying staffs and combining orbs to them and alching
weak junco
So just send some sandstone grinder for a bit and stock up, then charter the soda?
weak junco
Yeahh I've pretty much just unlocked Kingdom + Royal Trouble, and I'm flat broke and like
God wtf do I do
neat pier
Yeah make some staffs
weak junco
And the thought of spending like a whole day grinding out sand, ash, buying staffs, combining, alching
neat pier
Make sure you watch a video if you're not sure on the gravestone method
weak junco
And in my mind it's like.... that'll get me a mil, maybe?
neat pier
Makes your runs 2x quicker pretty much
weak junco
I know the method really well cause I did earth staffs before, but that took what felt like an eternity
neat pier
If you add in the time to gather sand, yes there are probably better gp/hrs methods
weak junco
But I guess the crafting xp makes it worthwhile
neat pier
Lms selling arrows to main etc probably beats it
But yeah the xp you gain along the way massively makes up for it
weak junco
Yeee I like LMS and I have a main with a decent cashstack, it's what I did before when I was desperate for runes
neat pier
You get mining crafting and mage, opposed to 0 xp doing lms
weak junco
yeee true, I'm already 66
crafting*
Oh that's a point, I see everyone say air staffs are better than earth staffs
But on the wiki, it shows they alch for same price?
neat pier
More xp making air
weak junco
Ahhhhhh
weak junco
Same gp but just better method overall, same as like BH runs with better logs
Same shit, better xp, keep doing it etc
neat pier
But yeah, there's a bunch you can do for gold that may not be your 100% best option
But do things you need to do anyway, like go kill your 1.5k greens for 70 prayer and pickup like 2.5m in hides
weak junco
Yee I just want to get kingdom running asap to start collecting shit
Green Drags was defo on my mind now I have a D Scim
neat pier
Go skip some wildy slayer try to get revs and spoon yourself a rev wep while banking a fuck ton of alchs
weak junco
Was umming and ahhing about green drags or staves which is why I replied here
weak junco
Go skip some wildy slayer try to get revs and spoon yourself a rev wep while ban...
Mmm that's a point, I've heard Revs is nuts
And I'm pretty low level so I might not get pk'd much
neat pier
Personally I'd do drags > staves bc staves don't get you prayer
weak junco
Yeee, I just havne't got Piety yet
neat pier
But you only need 1.5k then stop for a while, so it's not worth doing permanently
weak junco
Only 47 prayer
neat pier
Yeee, I just havne't got Piety yet
That's why you do drags xd
weak junco
1.5k hides?
neat pier
You stop once you have piety
weak junco
So just collect both for prayer, crafting xp and some alch money
Cool, I might do some staves to get me ~1mil for Kingdom, then while that's chugging away I'll start on my Green Drags
neat pier
Some people just leave the hides to speed up gaining prayer xp/hr
But if you need gp, probably not worth for you
weak junco
I'd rather take both cause crafting xp and gp are better for me personally atm than rushing piety
Which ofc is important, but I don't mind the extra time it'll take
I wanna get the crafting to get closer to glories and etc
(Also, best place to do green drags? East of Corp?)
neat pier
Yeah I think East of Corp is fastest
weak junco
Nice, it's super close to lvl 20 wildy I think so I can tp hella fast if needed
neat pier
And probably least pkers
weak junco
But I went there before to get some range levels and didn't get attacked once
neat pier
If tping and pkers are a concern, West drags may be quieter and its like lvl 13/14
But slightly further away
obsidian bay
Yeahh I've pretty much just unlocked Kingdom + Royal Trouble, and I'm flat broke...
id strongly consider not running misc
a lot of people put way too much emphasis on miscellania
especially the people going for herb 
weak junco
Oh? It's in the guide to stick 600k in and leave it like 11-14 days for mahog/maple
neat pier
OK a smart person is here now so I can stop with mediocre advice 😅
You're in good hands
obsidian bay
yeah if you know exactly what you are doing it's good to have it running for a specific number of days
I didnt know you were following BRUHsailer, that math has been minmaxed
weak junco
Lmao, nah your advice has been great thanks, it's made me consider staves being important because of xp/progress and not just gp
obsidian bay
weak junco
I didnt know you were following BRUHsailer, that math has been minmaxed
I am ye sorry, just unlocked both quests for kingdom and plan to let it run in the background while I chip away at AFK fishing and hourlies
obsidian bay
generally I'd make sure you either know exactly what you are doing with misc, or have 10m gp or so before activating it
either one is fine
the issue is that gp is pretty sparse at low level, and its typically just faster to collect the resources yourself rather than collect the gp and then put it in misc
weak junco
The guide says "deposit 600k gp (or: your entire cash stack) in Misc and set it to 10 mahogany 5 maple" and "Make sure not to exceed 11 days"
obsidian bay
btw you mentioned green dragons earlier, those are a great way to make ~2m gp or so from green dhides en route to piety
weak junco
So I was just gonna stick 600k in, set a phone reminder for 11 days, then take it all out again
obsidian bay
id recommend a berserker ring (i), thralls and a dragon defender before you start with that though
obsidian bay
So I was just gonna stick 600k in, set a phone reminder for 11 days, then take i...
yep thats perfect
weak junco
Yee I made a start on getting a Zerker but I was getting slapped by the spinilips or whatever they're called, and I could only do like 5-8 kill trips even with a good x log
obsidian bay
those mahogs are for bird runs and the maples are for arrow shafts
weak junco
So I was gonna train up a bit more and head back later
obsidian bay
the defence level really doesnt matter that much
if you have 50 def you should be able to get 20 kill trips
weak junco
the issue is that gp is pretty sparse at low level, and its typically just faste...
Also adding to this, the guide says to use the mahogany logs on BH runs, but I AFK'd like 5000 yew logs a while back when I was sick and could only do tedious afk braindead shit and took a break from the guide
Assuming that, should I stick to Mahogs and save it for Construction?
obsidian bay
at that point id disable misc and keep the cash probably
yews for misc are fine
great even, if you already have the logs
weak junco
Yeah I have the 5k logs sat there and I was meaning to calculate how many I needed to get to 80 hunter as the guide says I should do with Mahogs
Any spares I would probs fletch with
weak junco
Ooh
obsidian bay
so 2k logs tops
weak junco
So tldr, misc really isn't a big deal for me now then if I have those logs and an already decently high fletching level
obsidian bay
yeah
weak junco
Guide assumes I'm like mid 50 at this point but I'm 65 somehow haha
Probs from so much Hoptodt to 99
obsidian bay
we lowballed the fletching xp from todt, hoptodt gives a lot more than previous iterations of wintertodt strategies
but since not everybody does hoptodt all the way to 99 we'd rather stick with the lowest common denominator
weak junco
Yeah I remember it being like "you must get 46" and I was like bro I'm 58 rn haha
obsidian bay
yeah exactly
obsidian bay
yeah its good to go all the way to 99 (well, technically 98.5 or so)
but people hate long early grinds so we want to offer the option to leave early
weak junco
Okay so my takeaway is
-don't sweat Misc unless I'm like rolling in gp
-green drags early til piety level is good but I should get defender thralls and zerker i first
neat pier
That's if you go up each time you unlock a new tier
weak junco
Oh nice. I do have ~2k magic logs too haha
obsidian bay
I think its technically better to use yews for bird runs and magics for fletching
weak junco
Oop, only 4k yews but that's still fine
weak junco
I'll likely fletch with yew until ~2k logs left for BHR, then use magic short/long (u) or shafts ig
obsidian bay
personally id avoid making bows for fletching, its just not very good
weak junco
Ahh so just make shit loads of shafts while I do underwater fletching for spores
And then put feathers on while running around etc
(haven't done spores yet but will soon, so I can probs do it when I make shafts)
obsidian bay
ideally cutting the shafts is during some other activity and then adding feathers or arrowheads while underwater so you dont have to bank
but its not a big difference
also 100-150 seaweed spores banks 99 crafting or so if you farm them right so there's not that much underwater stuff to do
weak junco
Ahhh, I always find I have such little invy left while questing that I'm like, should I really be filling this with logs etc
Oh wow that's not even a lot of spores, nicee
obsidian bay
yeah dont worry about questing, something like artefacts or agility are good options for cutting logs
worst case you can just bankstand them too
weak junco
especially the people going for herb <:kekw:639576336603676673>
Also forgot to reply to this, you mean going for 70 herblore?
Cause my plan is just afk barb fishing to do barblore with
obsidian bay
no I meant that a lot of people unlock misc to then put 10 workers on herbs
obsidian bay
one the more classic traps imo
neat pier
Also chaz, pop into range guild pre update on tuesday
Try be one of the first to hit the shops after update and buy some shafts can help cut out some of the fletching
weak junco
steal shafts? they're sold there?
neat pier
Idk if its even worth if you have the logs already, but worth trying
neat pier
Sorry, changed steal > buy. Just the way I talk confusing you 😅
weak junco
holy shit
obsidian bay
they go up in price as you buy more, to an average of 6 gp each or so
weak junco
I'll give it a shot as I don't work on tuesdays so I can be ready
obsidian bay
and they restore very slowly
it takes a bit over 8 hours for the stock to go from 0 to 1k
obsidian bay
no buy all
neat pier
Buy all
obsidian bay
every single one
weak junco
Oooh ok ok
neat pier
It's worth the price imo
weak junco
swap to 50 per click, spam, hop, gotcha
neat pier
But it's only worth doing with large stock shop
If you're hopping for 100-200/world its meh
You can fletch quicker
weak junco
if you have 50 def you should be able to get 20 kill trips
Was this for green drags or for rex sorry
Just reading back up and making notes
obsidian bay
rex
weak junco
o shiet
Yeah I was getting slapped by the little dudes on the side
Should I be attacking them to make them run?
obsidian bay
nah you just ignore them
weak junco
Cause I didn't do that and just got slapped about
Ahhh, maybe I was just unlucky then cause 5 kills was rough
No food drops either
obsidian bay
food drops help a bunch yeah, also make sure to get into position with basically a full inv of food
weak junco
The kills are fast it's just the 1min waiting getting hit that's rough
weak junco
Yeee, I saw the guide said to take a fire tome, but my almost maxed iron friend said it might be worth me killing ice trolls for a granite shield cause it's got reaaally nice ranged def
obsidian bay
the tome is very optional, you can ignore it
but I wouldnt go for the shield
its not important enough
if you have it then use it, but its a waste of time to grind it out imo
since you'll be swapping to a defender soon after and never swapping back
weak junco
True, it's mostly just to help with getting the ring for rex and that's it
this is my setup, which is fairly similar to the recommended loadout
obsidian bay
yeah thats perfect
weak junco
Idk how but I must have lost my boots from stronghold of security, not sure where they went lol
obsidian bay
theyre not very important
weak junco
ok fair
Welp, it's 8am and I haven't slept, gonna have a nap and then get back to Rex
Thanks so much guys!
neat pier
Gn and gl
neat pier
if you have it then use it, but its a waste of time to grind it out imo
Would you go rune kite or tome if you have both?
Kite right? Trip length matters more? I think
obsidian bay
yeah if you have both id use rune kite
weak junco
Best range def shield I have rn is mirror shield so I'm just gonna rock that for my attempts haha
lapis reef
Considering how long it will take to get the sand, the soda ash, making the glas...
end-to-end 670k-930k GP/hr depending on what numbers you want to believe
this is just raw GP/hr and not effective GP/hr
after scaling for effective power it's around 1.5m GP/hr iirc
I'm the author of that "your goals" infographic btw XD
Just wanted to chime in with the numbers to back up the claim
weak junco
Hmm, I found that even just attacking the nearby spino's once each makes them dip away for a while which makes my trips way longer at the cost of 3 casts
weak junco
I'm the author of that "your goals" infographic btw XD
Just wanted to chime in w...
Legend, appreciate the hard work you guys all put in!
weak junco
end-to-end 670k-930k GP/hr depending on what numbers you want to believe
this is...
So if I spent ~10 hours gathering all the materials, making into glass, orbs, charging, buying staves, alching etc
I could assume 15mil total due to 1.5mil an hour * 10?
Not sure if I'm reading your message correctly haha
10 hours is a long ass time to be fair so I guess a more realistic example is like, 3 hours, making it 4.5mil?
dawn grove
1.5m effective gp/hr when you consider cost of gp/xp value of mage/crafting/whatever iirc
it's closer to their 670k->930k value para offered above
but ye
lapis reef
Alching not included in that but you can see the numbers there
End-to-end it's 0.0028 hours per staff
So ~360 staves/hr
That's for the 670k GP/hr figure
weak junco
Ohhh so that's just to make them
And I'd be alching them while I do quests or agil etc so it's 0 time
lapis reef
The reason for the 930k GP/hr figure is because that 670k calculation is disingenuous
The seaweed/sand/SGM is actually a required step for Crafting training no matter what method you use
Even if you just make lantern lenses later on
So as a result those steps should not be accounted for when viewing this as a method for obtaining GP
Thus the 930k GP/hr figure is more accurate as that's the time for the additional steps that you wouldn't have done in the counterfactual world
weak junco
Ahh because you should have a decent stockpile at most times anyway etc?
lapis reef
Well I mean even if you train Crafting by making lantern lenses and getting GP via another method
You will still plant seaweed, mine sand, do SGM
It's just that you will blow it into something else
weak junco
Trueeee
lapis reef
So really the GP method starts at the blowing step
weak junco
So the molten glass is sitting there from SGM, waiting to be used for crafting
lapis reef
Exactly
weak junco
So it isn't included, makes sense
Noicee
Might just work out how much GP I need to get to the Sepulchre grind, make that in staves, and alch as I progress to that step
lapis reef
But yea if you have nothing in your bank besides a pickaxe and seaweed spores
It'll be more like 670k GP/hr
But that's fine, that's still around 2-3x better than alternatives like thieving, agility pyramid, or ham storerooms
lapis reef
Might just work out how much GP I need to get to the Sepulchre grind, make that ...
yup exactly
I think that's a good idea
weak junco
Yeah even 670k an hour is solid to me tbh
I had a shit load of gold lying around because I was ill a month ago and just grinded out some WC and full MLM, so that step is done early
The amount of time it took to make bracelets and to alch those though, so slow haha
weak junco
@obsidian bay @neat pier bruhhhh
weak junco
I already have Drag axe from Todt too so I'm chillin haha
neat pier
Nice!
weak junco
spoonerd
weak junco
truuu
weak junco
Thanks! I'm heading back there soon just doing some herb runs cause I ran out of prayer pots
obsidian bay
nice gl, you should only need 1 ppot per trip
weak junco
Yee I never use much and I can prayer flick my mystic might
I just forgot to top up ranaars cause I've been making super atts and super strs for slayer