#Ideal invo for Osmunten Fang?

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cedar tide
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currently hunting for Osmunten's fang, got about 42kc and pushing 250 invo and i usually clear in 40ish minutes

asked on condor's stream if i should push higher for better odds and he said anything higher would be a waste of my time.

which made me wonder if i maybe should push lower instead since Kephri room for example takes me 4-6 minutes to clear because the hasta/partisan isn't hitting hard enough

if it helps in any way ill include a screenshot of the gear i bring and the invo's i run

so it comes down to: should i stick to 250 invo? or go for a more ideal invo level?

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woven jewel
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Yeah you really should try to push for higher raid levels. Your gear is perfectly capable of it

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I think 320 is fine for literally no toa items but as soon as you get a fang or yellow keris (+ optionally lb) you can add more quite comfortably

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Try to learn upset stomach and boulderdash (they're really not that bad) and insanity as well. You should be able to hit the 40 min timer idk what is causing your raids to take the time they do

cedar tide
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dont have yellow keris either sadly, can't wrap my head around comf/consistency vs higher purple chance

vocal dawn
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You should go as high as you can but what you can do is a you question

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Condor is a memelord BTW I wouldn't take his opinions as gospel

cedar tide
woven jewel
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All you need to know is that toa really heavily incentivizes you to up the raid level, and that only ramps down at 400 rl

vocal dawn
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350s are doable in the abstract in your gear but whether you personally can do them consistently is hard to know until you try

cedar tide
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haven't really ''mastered'' red x baba and butterfly akkha yet, is it still wise to send expert without those?

woven jewel
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Absolutely not required in the slightest

cedar tide
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alright just wanted to make sure, could try to complete 300 first, any other invo you'd recommend with pushing that?

woven jewel
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When you get around to learning insanity, try switching off walk the path so that the 4 demi bosses have less hp and don't take as long

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Less tilting if you blow up at wardens

cedar tide
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oh i've been told that walk the path is better for purples

silent swan
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RL is best for purps. Moreso than any specific invo on its own.

woven jewel
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It's a great invo but while you're learning 50 rl is a big jump in boss stats and you could get 1 shot at skulls

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Just trying to suggest something sensible while you're still getting used to it

cedar tide
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appreciate the help ofc, i skull skip for better purple odd as well

woven jewel
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I would recommend you turn on the 40 min timer and try to learn stay vigilant, boulder dash, upset stomach, and all warden invos. Not all at once ofc but in bits you're comfortable with. And it's ok to turn off stuff in the interim if you feel the stat inflation from raid level is too much at once

cedar tide
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alright ill play around with that, and turn off ''walk the path'' as well?

woven jewel
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Wtp is good, the comment earlier is just about trading it for insanity while learning so your raids stay the same rl and you can get to wardens faster to practice and not feel too bad if you die

cedar tide
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think ill run a 150 with insanity on and see how fast i can pick up on that, thanks for the advice

woven jewel
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No problem if you have any issue making it in 40 min with more invos active you can record a run and either I or someone else can leave some feedback

cedar tide
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would have to look into recording for that, from what i've been monitoring myself Kephri takes the most time for me at higher invo's

woven jewel
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Best tip I have is to be proactive on swarms so they don't regen the boss as much

cedar tide
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i bring a super combat in to speed her fight up a tiny bit

woven jewel
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First swarms is perhaps the most meaningful one to try to improve on

cedar tide
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i see what i'm doing wrong from this clip, ive been focusing the add and when that thing dies i get as many swarms as i can

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ill bring bp instead of super combat then

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one last question if you dont mind since i've heard arguments for both, is it a good idea to trap the melee add?

woven jewel
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Only in teams

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You can keep the super combat with you

cedar tide
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makes sense to only in teams, thanks a lot for your input, taking a break rn gonna go back in in a few

daring lava
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i was in your position, i’m pretty bad at pvm in general and it was really hard for me to go beyond 270s. I just added one invo at a time, first was boulderdash and after a couple of raids I then added in Mind the gap. It made the process feel less daunting and I can now run 300s very easily.

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try slowly incorporating invos, if you feel like 300 is intimidating to just jump straight to

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side note; but to me “Need Some Help” felt like a very free invocation. I rarely used all of my brews even with that invo turned on for wardens. if you find that you don’t struggle with supplies at the end, it’s worth considering.

vocal dawn
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The cost of NSH is you can roll one salt

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Which is fine if you can handle that

daring lava
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yeah, i did run into that a couple of times and definitely need to consider. I just preserved and did zebak last which generally didn’t consume supplies, or if i needed to heal, I could BP the jugs

cedar tide
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i run Zebak -> kephri -> ahka -> baba, because i like having salts on the last 2

vocal dawn
vestal python
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dragon boots btw

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if u want space can drop tassets, avas but otherwise looks good

wheat oyster
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Replace the prepots with +3 brews

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If you need DDS to hit the 3-down then drop 1 ppot and flick more

wheat oyster
wheat oyster
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I have the same setup as you, just practice a bit more and I'm sure you can clear 320s no problem

cedar tide
wheat oyster
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Yea that sounds like a plan! I did the same as you
Started 150s with insanity, then added WTP for 200, then added other invos one at a time to slowly get to 300, then 320

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The main issue is just stretching 4b for Akkha/Baba without sun, cuz that's the only thing limiting you from 340s
Since you use the brews/restores on p1/p2 Wardens only, p3 is no damage, and p4 is ambrosia only

silent swan
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I know you gotta learn both eventually, so theres merit there, but idk about that early on?

ocean plover
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insanity is a free invocation

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definitely recommend adding it asap

silent swan
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Insanity is a necessary invocation, esp for raid invo lvl scaling. Too many points to pass up. We may differ on the definition of "free" though.

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If its got a learning curve and there are YT vids dedicated to teaching it? It's not "free"

errant talon
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Where d boots? I would send teams and leech of others with shadows and fangs. Could send 400 w trident and bofa

cedar tide
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Exchanged boots for D boots, and don't really have anybody to raid with lol

woven jewel
wheat oyster
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Dude I'm pleb lol

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It's ever so slightly better than hasta

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Would love to have a gem but I'm at 90 kc without one, happens
Oh well, not like raid is impossible without QOL. Just have to play well and use brews

woven jewel
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More so your pot ratio looks like you're disguising it as sun keris lol

wheat oyster
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Ohhhh no not at all

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Just prepots lol I take in 4b

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I guess ppl usually show brews and say "replace prepots with restores" or whatever

woven jewel
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I guess 1.5 rest covers 4b yea

wheat oyster
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Yea

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Honestly mostly just chip so I just brew on 15s

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But if shit hits the fan I need the restore

wheat oyster
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Usually 34-36 min raids in my gear

cedar tide
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was getting my first expert clear but then the first skull skip killed me somehow.. twice.. CatPolite

errant talon
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Shouldn't be skull skipping at 300. Worth at 400 plus. Especially if skipping causes you to not put on time invo's. 10 invo is worth more

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Worth learning the timing in case you mess up the skulls but for farming it's not good

cedar tide
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went fine when i was testing insanity on 150, im speechless

errant talon
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It's just stand on tile and spam skull with range weapon right? how you mess up the 1st set?

cedar tide
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ya that's what i was doing so im the most confused i've ever been on how it refused to work twice

errant talon
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Lag maybe? Might need to record if it keeps happening XD

cedar tide
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only thing i can think of

errant talon
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Are you clicking ones close to you? might be stopping moving before you are meant to. Normally click on skulls past the centre line

cedar tide
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aye, never been a problem before i started using insanity

cedar tide
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sorry for venting here earlier i figured it out, my left tile marker was off by 1 tile and since i've never used insanity before i never had to go there, i am so stupid lool

ocean plover
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How much time does skull skipping add

errant talon
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Not sure exactly, but when i 3 down and skull skip wardens was like 12 mins but 2 down an no skulls was about 9. Should be closer to 8 with rigour.

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The time added is only worth when adding invo makes the raid longer/worse than the extra time from skull tech

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@ocean plover

ocean plover
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Hmm I'm currently doing like 350 barely making 40 or missing it by like a minute with 3 downs and skull skip so I guess it would probably be worth changing

errant talon
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Bofa, fang and trident? Could be making 35 min timer. Might need to look at speeding up in general too

tame mountain
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I was getting 36 min 350s with bowfa, hasta, trident, rigour, keris

ocean plover
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Yeah no rigour or augury though and not maxed melees

tame mountain
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If you have fang that seems slow

wheat oyster
errant talon
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You running overlords? or pathseeker? those are awful for time

wheat oyster
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Yea lack of CoX prayers + mid-80s stats instead of 99 melees will prob add like 90-150 seconds true. Possibly more too

ocean plover
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No I don't have either of those on

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I imagine I can definitely speed up monkey room and swarming on kephri

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But otherwise don't know how to save time

wheat oyster
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Can you post a vod?

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Could be losing ticks on p3 Insanity

errant talon
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Are you butterflying or red-x? those are both bad for time too

ocean plover
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I'll try to record a vid next time do a run

wheat oyster
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🫡

ocean plover
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No I'll butterfly for like the first cycle before shadows but that's it lol

errant talon
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Only other thing I can think of now is spec weapons. Having something like bgs would probably help a lot if you don't have anything except for fang

bitter oxide
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Bring the bone dagger

tight thorn
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im sure everyone has given you all the advice you need but I'll just echo the sentiment to raise raid level. I was able to clear 400s consistently in gear similar to yours, albeit with tbow instead of bowfa (just saves time at zebak and wardens, doesn't decrease difficulty much) and yellow keris (which realistically is pretty important unless you commit to red x and butterfly, which i dont recommend until like 450+ and when you have fang)
for the record the 400s I did weren't comfortable per se, hasta drags a lot but tends to be ok when bgs hits. kephri is also slow as hell until blue keris and I don't recommend overlords until you have that, so realistically you probably wanna be doing like 350s-365s. but even those are a gigantic improvement over 250s

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i don't have much experience without yellow keris so 350+ might be somewhat difficult (def not impossible tho). you can go lower if you need to. but try to be doing experts at least in that gear

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and btw when I first started 300s (in the same gear I eventually was doing 400s in, minus blue keris and lb) it felt impossible. but eventually you get good enough and stop dying to bad mistakes or running out of supplies because of a lot of little mistakes

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also chaos -> life is ok pre-keris if you need a supply boost, but 1. there is a very small chance of 0 salt from chaos (it can get replaced with adren or ambrosia) and 2. u don't get 2 salts, so you need to be fast at akkha zebak wardens. the upside is much more supplies, lets you push raid level/not butterfly/bring more switches/turn on need some/less help since ur getting 1 salt anyway

ocean plover
wheat oyster
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Ty will take a look after work today (~13 hours from now)!

dapper dock
wheat oyster
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Yea brewing liberally on 15s on p1 and p2 is nice cuz you have ages to get back to full HP through chip/bombs anyway

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I also don't heal fully after p2, I just chomp back on p3 15s intervals to ensure I'm 99 for p4, but that's risky cuz it assumes you won't mess up p3 at all xd

errant talon
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You are doing the wrong room order. Should do bkaz for solo. Salts help more with magic and range than they do with melee

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Can range hit zebak before you spec zebak then switch gear as you run. BGS bad at kephri, better off dumping fang spec. If you use all 4 then keph will be at half health by time of 1st dung

tame mountain
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In blade bowfa theres good arguments for zkab

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I'm not sure what order the video uses but its a legitimate alternative

errant talon
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Get the mining LVL to 1 down het puzzle
Zkab

tame mountain
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Bgs is great at kephri, better than fang

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Also I thought OP does not have a fang yet(?)

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Or am I confusing things, sr

errant talon
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In the vid he has fang. Might be the other guy

tame mountain
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Ahh mb then bkaz is best by far yeah

errant talon
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Why you butterflying alkha while killing alkha? Butterfly bad unless you have shadow or doing kit runs. Magic is your worst style vs alkha. Also is bofa better than bp against shadows in your setup? Worth checking

tame mountain
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Should be approx equal

errant talon
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Also, use your spec at alkha. No reason to not use it w/o keris. Bp can heal off shadows. You can free hit shadows as they spawn too. Then use weapon cool down to switch gear. That way you aren't losing so many ticks

cedar tide
errant talon
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Kill shamans before melee's in monkey room, the thralls drain prayer even when you pray melee against them. Worth learning the 1st few waves as they are always the same so you should be switching gear before they spawn. Also full switches are slot. Can do weapons and jewellery and camp crystal armour

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Also wasting a bunch of volatiles. They are fantastic and should always be used to one shot as many monkeys as possible

ocean plover
errant talon
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Ah sad. That's like 40 seconds right there
As the others said, definitely try timing your eats. You can eat 2 brews every 15 seconds and in P1 it's costing you time.

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Why no DDS for core? Or last hit BGS?

ocean plover
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I'll be honest I forgot bgs last hit on the first down in the first run lmao

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I do it on every other one though

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I guess I could swap dds for blade and just do 2down no skull skip but I haven't really practiced skulls without skipping much

errant talon
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Should be able to 2 down warden with your gear. Especially if you don't dump 4 BGS into obelisk. The extra mage phase hurting you a lot more then 30 defence on the obelisk is.
Even if you still skip, you want a 2 down

ocean plover
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would u just dump 2 specs and hope they hit? or just dont even bother and just salt for core?

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i mean not salt

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adrenaline

errant talon
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I would send one w/o adren. 1 dose adren for 2 core phases and last dose for warden. P3 is a lot longer than p1

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Also, why are you spam clicking when moving? It's not inherently wrong but I found when I spam it makes fights feel more hectic and takes longer to get a feel for the rythym of it

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Do you always end up with extra brews? If so consider taking more gear. If you don't have then take death runes for death charge

ocean plover
ocean plover
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can sometimes end up chugging an extra brew and a half for no reason i feel idk

errant talon
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For the last skull set, you can dodge Baba's 2nd boulder and get the skip.

With more gear the fights will be over faster. Baba can be a bitch XD but she is always LVL 0 for me so it's more consistent when you do her 1st

ocean plover
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yeah i usually dodge the last boulder but i had tons of brews left and was feeling lazy lol

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saw i was actually way up on time

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i guess i can try bkaz

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but ive done like 100 zkab so ive gotten really used to it lol

errant talon
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Might not be worth BGS for P4, lost a bunch of hits and the phase isn't very long anyway

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It's worth trying to do skulls as well. The time it adds makes the fight really drag. When I skip I find I do less raids XD

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Definitely worth trying bkaz. Zeb at LVL3 is easier to deal with than baba at 3

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Overall you are doing better than most, especially in that gear

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But with those improvements and strats you could definitely clear the 35 min mark

cedar tide
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i've always been doing zkab, pre-potting stam and range before going in

ocean plover
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have to say that trying bkaz a few times i hate doing this order it feels really shitty having to brew and then redivine

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maybe after yellow keris?

vestal python
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i used reg scb

errant talon
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Hm, shouldn't be taking that much damage at 350 though keris is nice to have.

If you hate it you can do baba last but overall baba 1st is more efficient.

silent swan
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In Baba > Kephri

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Actually nvm I guess you prob would brew Baba if not red X'ing

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Maybe a dose in monkey puzzle. But Kephri should be zero brews if done right.

ocean plover
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Yeah mostly just baba because I'm not red xing

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And if a shaman mages me 3x in a row in monkey room or something

ocean plover
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dunno if i messed it up somehow lol

errant talon
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Do you have lb? Need to get core health below 60% on 1st down. Get 5 dds and bgs hit. 2nd down you get 10 hits if you are below 60% Can take death charge to use on obelisk and core too. I normally have about 90% spec on 2nd down while using bofa

ocean plover
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Yeah have lb but I'm camping bring basically the whole raid cuz I don't think lb does anything in the other rooms?

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So I haven't bothered bringing it

errant talon
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Nah lb is awesome. Should be taking it always. ultor and magus rings have some use when you hit 500 invo but you should always be on lb

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You get almost double the number of specs by having lb

ocean plover
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Even for just fang and bgs specs u think?

errant talon
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Also b ring isn't as important with fang due to it's effect

ocean plover
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Don't have vw or anything

errant talon
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Yeah definitely, nice for bp too

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you can use bp to heal of stuff like akkha shadows, baba boulders and jugs w zebak

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Worth trying it out for a couple raids. If you really want to use b ring then it's not the end of the world but lb is just so nice to have

ocean plover
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Cool will try just camping lb and see how that is

vestal python
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idk about that, lb without spec weapon not useful

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youd need at least ylw keris (and high enough invo for ylw keris specs to depend on lb) or vw/zcb, bgs and fang not enough on its own

errant talon
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B ring pretty useless with fang. Especially if you can't 2 down with it

half pasture
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2 down or 3 down doesn't really matter

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you need some good spec weapons to make lb worth using

vestal python
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its pretty atypical for 2 down to be optimal. and you should be able to do 2 downs up to like 400 invo, though if missing max hits more like mid 300s, and thats without afking. you can always afk for +1 dds spec if thats really important for some reason.

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idk why b ring would be useless with fang, its 5 tick but its also high accuracy

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what really is pretty useless is lightbearer strictly for fang specs or late bgs (which i dont think late bgs is ever good @ baba/kephri)

ocean plover
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I think I'm missing spec for like 1 more dds spec since bowfa kills second down too fast so might need to afk and wait for spec regen I guess if I don't use lb. Guessing having one of infernal avernic or feros probably solves that issue though

vestal python
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theres a weird max hit breakpoint where dds max hit goes up 2 per splat or something

ocean plover
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Yeah looks like +2 from feros gives that

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Still like 93.9 slayer so haven't gotten to hydra yet lol

tight thorn
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i would not camp lb, bring it as a switch with death charge for a fast extra bgs at ba-ba/kephri and some extra bp healing at akkha

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the only exception is if you really can't use up another space and you're having to wait like 20 seconds every p2 for spec to recharge

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and you've determined 2 downing is optimal