A question for every IM!

[fallow jackal]

Besides your dailies such as Farm and BH runs, what is something you wish you could tell yourself when you first started your Ironman? I find myself asking almost every Ironman this same question since I started my IM journey. I’m still early into my iron (cb like 70)… so this will hopefully help me out!

[quick latch]

I might have invested some time into a main instead since I have finite time and ironman pushes a lot of stuff on you that distracts from clicking bosses

And it's hard to know what to do when you're an endgame iron with no main experience and you're maincurious

[runic gorge]

grades are more important than getting the drop

if u want a serious answer, probably that resources are made to be used not hoarded

[fallow jackal]

I luckily have a main that I reached around 110 cb and was able to do every raid and majority of bossing on it.. I was just so sick of seeing everything as moneyyyyyyy

[runic gorge]

i was prayer flicking or poh teleling to save myself prayer pots and shit

now im sitting on 5.2k pray pots like

huh

i coulda gotten things done faster and easier

if i was actually willing touse the stuff i had

also i never used super sets while slaying and stuff which is honestly even more troll lol

[fallow jackal]

Hahaha I got lucky and got back addicted to the game towards the end of my last semester of nursing school… Now it’s all I do 😂😂😂😂

[fallow jackal]

Super sets, as in super combat and such???

[runic gorge]

well super atk and str mainly

[fallow jackal]

This entire part of the game I’m in right now was skipped due to friends being maxed and spoiling me with unlimited of the best I could get

[true drift]

Not something I wish I started early but something I'm glad I actually did: consistent birdhouses.
At first, it was simply an easy way to breeze through early hunter levels. Once I got into the 70s I started doing it to see how far I could get before I burnt out from doing them.

Ended up lasting until 99 hunter which set me up with 25k bird's nests and not needing to worry about brews for a long ass time

[clear galleon]

Only thing id tell my self from when I started is be consistent with hourlies and use your damn resources. Bank value and stacks of resources don't mean shit when you can be saving time by using items. Didn't do either of those things until I started actually searching for 3rd party resources and advice

[stiff crag]

I've got a list of the most common and highest impact bad advice that floats around (though I call it the noob trap list). Let me make it a bit less toxic and share it

In general a lot of people will recommend one or more of the activities or milestones below. Personally I think you can progress faster by avoiding them, and would exercise caution in blindly going for anything on the list below. That being said the list contains a lot of fun or easy activities, and if you enjoy them it's great to go for them. If people are interested in discussing these in more detail I'd be open for that. If people want to make it clear that they think some item does not belong on the list (possibly with some superlatives, emoji or witty remarks) I'd like to redirect you to the reddit.

• using broad bolts
• making a fury
• grinding barrows 'early'
• zulrah at 87 slayer
• safespotting
• running misc (in particular, on 10 herb) at low level
• generic melee slayer tasks (esp without piety, thralls or divine super str pots)
• using your poh except for spellbook altar
• mining for smithing, woodcutting for firemaking, fishing for cooking
• rushing 99 thieving (double if you do it for master farmers)
• Agility pyramid/HAM store room
• t2 armour corrupted gauntlet runs
• giants foundry
• mahogany homes (past 70 cons)
• graceful early

[lilac hollow]

Wish I stayed ontop of bh runs, mainly for the hunter and herb xp. I now have over 700 toadflax seeds and disproportionate amount of nests.

I've never not been able to do content because I was out of or short on pots, but the lost xp and total levels I could've had would be nice as I approach 2,100ttl

[loud veldt]

Taking my MCAT in 2 weeks, thankfully I finished CG. I was hooked

[loud veldt]

you put a knife in my chest when I read t2 CG LOL. I have a 30m cash stack from CG. Do I just do mahog benches from here on out?

[stiff crag]

yeah, or myth hangers if you can't afford those. With efficient pathing mahogany benches/tables are affordable, but it requires planning ahead

[rancid wren]

Ye I use divine SCBs on every melee Slayer task
It sounds like a waste but you won't run out if you're either a skiller or a PVMer

Either way you'll have to thieve for shards eventually ofc. But torstols won't be a blocker

[rich apex]

At the start of my account I really fucking slacked on questing. Wish I did a lot of quests sooner than I did.

[rotund laurel]

Would you make fury if you somehow got 5th one after having occult and grinding zulrah? Some people who pvm would like to have bloodfury tbh

[stiff crag]

yeah for a blood fury go for it

and if you have spare onyxes go for it as well

[rotund laurel]

But i agree that it shouldnt be made before all zenytes finished

[jolly radish]

Shouldn't?

[rotund laurel]

Yes sorry

[jolly radish]

Just checking 😅

[frozen estuary]

Yeah that's my one issue with "mahog homes is bad" advice. It's A LOT of gold to not use it, and needs planning in advance to get it all (which alot of people don't do/didn't know to do). I personally still think mahog homes is good until 82/83 and it should be skipped entirely after

But I get why it's said to be a bait because it is way more time.

[gloomy thicket]

FWIW you get piles of GP from any mid to late game PvM. I don’t think there’s much reason to do mahog homes post early game. But that could just be because I like clicking bosses and killing things

[rich apex]

personally my plan is MH until green log. I want that hosidus house. idc if it's efficient.

[frozen estuary]

oh 100%, thats why i said until 83

cause i think its a grind people typically try to do earlier on

and why you should absolutely just pause on 99 until you have the gold to do it properly later game

[stiff crag]

if you want to save money while training cons just do myth hangers

[rotund laurel]

Some people want to clog

[spring vale]

This one is really tough for me, when I'm in the flow of a grind I never want to leave and do that stuff.

[lilac hollow]

Yeah I feel that. I hit them fairly consistently with herb runs lately - now that I'm aware of supply sink of nex after playing alt sending trios for a couple weeks

I'll catch myself going days without doing them, then I'll hit like 15 in a day for a week and be good again, lol

Days where I don't hit them at all I typically have very minimal, if any play time on. But yeah, if I'm at granite or in the groove at raids I just can't be bothered to drop everything or make people wait

[upper lava]

Why not make a fury early? It will be your bis mage amulet until occult which will take ages

[jolly radish]

It's the same bonus as glory, the defensive bonuses and extra prayer are negligible for what you're paying for it

[upper lava]

The prayer bonus is going to add up over time on slayer tasks etc though, and if you’re going to make a fury anyway later on for blood fury it seems like a no-brainer to make as soon as you’re able tbh

[jolly radish]

not compared to the bonus you're going to get from zenytes

and 3m is a lot to invest into something at that point in the game for +2 prayer bonus, that can easily be pointed into other buyables
and prayer potions are very free these days

[olive sierra]

Go for bofa and trident early. Spent way too long without a trident and bofa is too op to not go for. You really notice it when heading towards endgame content.

[rotund laurel]

Bowfa and occult* normal trident is shit

[fallow jackal]

Wow such a nice turnout on this thread! I’m not able to have my phone in my workplace so I was unable to answer and chat with everyone

[olive sierra]

trident is great, what are you on about? lol I'd rather have trident over iban's with occult XD

[rancid wren]

You ideally have both
Trident by itself does barely anything without the extra 4 max hits from occult
Occult and 99 Magic matter way more

Ditto on magic fang ofc

[olive sierra]

Trident is 20% faster though

[rancid wren]

Yes it's better. Just don't do PVM that involves a lot of maging before 93 Slayer basically

No choice

(ofc barraging to get 93 Slayer will just be occultless but no choice no matter what order you do things in)

It's more like I've seen a lot of people Iban Blast everything under the sun but the reality is with proper planning you can have 92 Magic, bowfa, and fang at 100cb and just power level to lance instead of wasting time using Iban Blast on random BS like low level Zulrah or Barrows

[olive sierra]

Well yeah. It's fun to play the game while doing different things rather than being super efficient. I just didn't put enough value on trident and if I were to start over I would go get it way earlier in my account, which was the question.

[rancid wren]

Confused, it's hard gated by 87 Slayer
Can't really get it much earlier than that :p
Just do the first task you get, slaughter swap the baby krakens
Most likely you get it part way through the second task
Then block it forever
Leave trident in bank until first occult at 93 and ur in business
Couldn't do it any earlier than that unless you did something like go for it after 99 Slayer
It's best to get the trident at 87 only because kraken is a block task, so you don't wanna block and unblock and reblock if you go for it later. Just get it over with and block permanently ez

Bowfa I agree with, right at 100cb. Game changing item

[olive sierra]

But not everything is about being perfectly efficient. Camping slayer gets boring so sometimes you do different things. Trident makes a lot of those things better

[rancid wren]

Sure I guess
I think that's more of a matter of people doing slower melee Slayer and getting burnt out instead of realizing that there are six barrage tasks and you can literally just fang metal dragons for quick points so that you can spend almost all of ur time barraging
The 2023 Slayer is so fast because you can simulate lance with fang and it works very well

Makes it very easy to get a high level now

It's not like before where I was 1t flicking some garbage like velds at mid 70s Slayer to maintain points while using dscim because there was no other option. In those days it took like 350 hours to get a good Slayer level and that's just how it was

[olive sierra]

I don't get what you are trying to say. The question was what would you tell yourself? I'm saying I undervalued the trident. Am I wrong with that?

[arctic dagger]

Others have said it, but being afraid to 'waste' pots. Shit is free with contacts and pvm these days

[rotund laurel]

Also remember to enjoy game, most times you will get stuck on some grinds for multiple hours and thing about avoiding burnout isnt stopping the grind straight and quit, just switch content to another one and then come back after nice relaxing session somewhere else.

[crisp valley]

Going back to the original question

• how food actually works (especially just Karambwans vs combo eating)
• gravestone orb charging
• t2 bad
• thralls are especially OP at low levels and should be a priority
• do not plant your first spirit tree in Port Sarim you have an explorer's ring
• you will never use a teak log beyond 70 construction
• if you stop doing WT at 90 you can finish firemaking at redwoods
• tome of fire/water pages are genuinely useless and can safely be used at sand crabs

[stiff crag]

nah, prayer bonus for mage on task is bait. Most barrage tasks take 1-2 sips of ppots and the extra bonus wont change that, and even if it did change it the ppots just arent valuable enough to plan around

[stiff crag]

This is why I put the 87 slayer on my list of common mistakes 😄 I don't consider that level a milestone at all, and I think people would be better off ignoring it. A trident without an occult doesnt change the game imo.

it's somewhat common to do really slow slayer, burn out by level 87, and then insist that therefore it must be a huge unlock that changes the game

when really I recommend instead improving your slayer if you're not enjoying it

[stiff crag]

I forgot to put this one on my list but honestly that's the biggest one. There's an entire culture around treating ppots as liquid gold, to be hoarded and never consumed. In reality if you plan ahead they are dirt cheap and give massive utility, not using them basically everywhere you go is incredibly costly. Treat them like dirt, use them everywhere, use super restores if you have to, stop caring about prayer bonus, if necessary plan ahead. The days when ppots were valuable have long gone and the people choosing to ignore that are slowing themselves down a ton.

[royal dune]

I want to agree on this with a disclaimer that efficiency shouldn't lead to burnout/fatigue and that if you're experiencing this that it's totally fine to do other things you find more fun. E.g. set boundaries for yourself (3 farmruns a day, or 5, just do contracts, etc.)

[stiff crag]

Yeah almost everything on the list just takes a lot of time with little or no reward, I'd recommend cutting those first

[royal dune]

I think prioritize slayer above pvm (i'd separate those two tbh) is also a big tip

occult/lance are just too invaluable to skip out on

occult is literally one of the most broken items in the game

and would not have made it past a poll

[rancid wren]

Yeah if anything I would revise "not valuing trident enough" to "not valuing occult enough"

Especially in 2023 when we have shadowscape

You're going to need to occult one way or the other so better to just get it over and done with (and consequently prepare for Slayer by not being poor so that you don't have to suffer for 350 hours)

[fallow jackal]

The 6 barrage tasks… I know bloodvelds are one of them but don’t you have to have a couple alts to stack them? I haven’t looked yet, but are there resources regarding which 6 are burstable?

[rancid wren]

smokes, abbys, nechs, dusts, dags, ankous

just skip velds

for abbys sbs method is good but it's a lot of effort, and melee nechs are legit now too unless you don't care about herblore/prayer

[fallow jackal]

Thank you for this!! I’m not sure I’ve heard of gravestone org charging? I may say fuck it and just go finish 99 out at WT 😂😂

[fallow jackal]

So we stick with t1 prep around here, huh?

[rancid wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4uKH-MgLSM

[crisp valley]

^

And yeah for sure

T2 has a better kill rate against Corrupted Hunllef, but T1 has a better success rate against CG

T2 just introduces more points of failure and doesn't leave you with any brain off time

T1 is basically a 5 minute break between Hunllef kills

[fallow jackal]

By plan ahead do you mean starting early and knowing what has the best drop rates for ranaar?? Or knowing what has highest drop rate of dropping prayer pots? Again, I apologize for being oblivious hahaha I was just babied for a long time by the GE

[stiff crag]

I mean start farming early, include sepulchre and toa in your progression, look into slayer methods

[fallow jackal]

I’m going to be 100% honest here…. I know occult is LIKE THAT. But, I don’t even know what slayer monster drops occult O.o. I only got to 81 slayer on my main

[stiff crag]

Smoke devil, unboostable 93 slayer req

[fallow jackal]

I see! I had just got to nechs on my main… not looking forward to this slayer grind again tho 😂

[stiff crag]

Fwiw there is a lot of terrible slayer advice out there

[fallow jackal]

Thank you! I’ll check it out tonight!

[stiff crag]

You can save hundreds of hours by planning that in more detail

The most important one being to do a lot of non-slayer things to make slayer better

Generally the longer you postpone slayer the better

[rancid wren]

I should make a pic with the new nechs setup
Jack convinced me to slaughter-swap again instead of camping feros
But it's super annoying

Easily highest APM task

[stiff crag]

(Im not doing that)

[rancid wren]

😅 the part I hate is bringing like 8 karams in and juggling them if you choose to not bring SGS (which is a good idea, fk SGS)

[fallow jackal]

I 100% see what you’re saying from post experience with CG… I only did maybe 10 kc on my main cause I knew I’d eventually make an iron and have to grind the hell out of it

[rancid wren]

Because you need to keep them in case you get superior xd

[stiff crag]

Nah para just dont bring sgs, dont juggle much, take only a few food, 2 trip tasks

If you have to, bank when you get asuperior

[rancid wren]

Thought he disappears if you tele

That's why I was juggling food even with DDS setup

[stiff crag]

Tag first

Get 2mins

[rancid wren]

Oh nice

Easy max cape and ring back in 20 secs

[fallow jackal]

I am I think 45-50 farming and have officially gotten my farm runs down to a T!! I have maybe 35ish pray pots. Slowly learning and am loving every second

[rancid wren]

Nice. I think contracts will help you out a lot for sure

And nechs too. Nechs are so insane, my seed stacks have gone up like crazy just from that

[stiff crag]

V Nice though I strongly doubt the farm runs part

[fallow jackal]

Hahaha you aren’t kidding. I’ve seen so many different “do this — don’t do that”

[stiff crag]

Theres a long road ahead 😄

[fallow jackal]

Wellllll…. Maybe not to a T hahaha but wayyyyyyy better than a couple weeks ago!

You right… The more I think about it

My farm runs are so bad

[stiff crag]

There's a farming guide in #1052266500041478246

[fallow jackal]

I intend on going and just farming like 1000 volcanic ash

[stiff crag]

Generally id aim to avoid herb runs at low lvl

[fallow jackal]

What do you suggest? I’m only doing herbs and fruit trees atm

[rancid wren]

Honestly if ur crazy enough you can just do trees to 99 Farming and pile up contract seed packs

Then send herb runs after that

@deep oxide mostly took that strategy

[stiff crag]

I like the farming guide in #1052266500041478246

[rancid wren]

You have to be diligent but if you do then farming is like a 5-week 99

[fallow jackal]

And limp’s when I get those seeds

[rancid wren]

OK maybe more like 8-9 weeks. But still

[fallow jackal]

How the heck did they have any pots ?

[deep oxide]

yeah ideally you send ur herb seeds with Attas after farming cape + kandarin hard diary + kourend hard diary

and just maintain contracts while piling seeds until then

[fallow jackal]

I can’t get into farming guild until 65, right?

[deep oxide]

(if you want to do early barblore, youd farm herb seeds until 99 fishing then stop herb runs until 99 farming)

45

42 with pie?

[fallow jackal]

I’m a fycking idiot

Man I’m so dumb😂😂😂😂😂

[stiff crag]

Its not worth it until 62+3

[fallow jackal]

Wdym ?

[livid gulch]

Easy contracts suck

[crisp valley]

If you want to do early herb runs use Irits

You'll always have more than enough Irit seeds, and you can easily turn the herb into xp and a usable potion

[fallow jackal]

I sadly have to leave my phone in my car and go into work for 10 hours

I appreciate everyone greatly!

Hopefully I replied to everyone

If someone would like to reply with why I should wait until farming cape and such that’d be awesome! I was thinking it may have to do with the amount of herbs you receive, or?

[deep oxide]

yes cape boosts herb yield per seed when worn while harvesting

[stiff crag]

Btw waiting for farming cape is efficient but very extreme

[fallow jackal]

I can do expert toa/CM’s but gah dawg don’t ask me to do plant a herb

Or to make you a golden necklace

[rancid wren]

Put off Slayer as much as possible

[fallow jackal]

This thread was awesome! Appreciate all of the support and advice. I’ll be resorting back to this thread throughout my entire Ironman journey hahaha

Thank you all also for being patient! Means a lot 🤝

[stiff crag]

You're welcome and good luck!

[frosty ledge]

This discord server and bruhsailer guide is a gold mine of knowledge. Thanks guys

[stuck leaf]

I see you guys talk about barrage everything and fang dragons

How do you get mage up to 94? Is bursting slayer viable?

Do you actually put off slayer until after fang (which means getting fang with like ibans?)

[jolly radish]

there's a ton of skilling you can do early that you alch at + passive mage xp from things like glass make

[deep oxide]

90k alchs

And team toa

[stuck leaf]

I feared that answer 😂

[jolly radish]

toa for fang can be done with grasp + thralls, hasta and bowfa

[stuck leaf]

Yeah that was my plan, just making sure

So you put off most slayer until after toa

[jolly radish]

I think the play is to grab 2 zenytes then yeah basically send

[deep oxide]

Slayer 75+ you don’t do until 95 rc + lumbridge elite

Toa optional, not recommended for new players

Early on

[stuck leaf]

I'm not getting 95 rc tho

Like ever

I'll just go play some other game if that becomes required to progress

[jolly radish]

you'll just have to get prayer elsewhere, not a hard req

[stuck leaf]

Prayer?

[deep oxide]

Also not sure what you imagine rc to be like

[jolly radish]

that's what 95 rc is for

wraths for offering

[deep oxide]

Gotr + ZMI is fine

[stuck leaf]

Oh I see

[deep oxide]

Not like ur doing natures

[stuck leaf]

Isnt it still like 200hrs to 95?

Idk got things to do

[deep oxide]

It’s not even 200 hrs to 99

[stiff crag]

you can skip the rc if you like, itll just mean less prayer xp from slayer

im not sure why you're so focused on that idea

[stuck leaf]

Yeah I'm not looking to 100% optimise just have fun

Im actually pretty stoked about delaying slayer, I don't enjoy that skill

[deep oxide]

Prob like 90-100 hours of active gameplay to 95

[stiff crag]

I think its more than that but not a lot more

[deep oxide]

Depends on your gotr rate but yeah it’s not like pre gotr rc

[jolly radish]

is that all daeyalt

[stiff crag]

primarily daeyalt zmi

[stuck leaf]

Hmm thats the method i despise the least too

Since I have a lot of afk time to daeyalt mine

I planned on going to like 77 for frem diaries and not touch it for a long while tho

Thx for advice

[rancid wren]

Alch everything under the sun like Drogon said haha

[rancid wren]

RC is faster than Slayer 😄
Whether you use pure ess or daeyalt

It's slightly faster than Agility too with daeyalt

[rancid wren]

Not even right? Vork should cover the wraths long-term
It's more about the missing GP from having to buy your own runes instead of having them
But that's fine too, we all had to do that back when lavas were meta anyway

It's doable. Just worse ofc

[stiff crag]

no, vork does not cover wraths

in fact vork doesnt even cover melee nechs

and wraths are good on other tasks too

[rancid wren]

Yea for sure. I'm a big fan of that too
https://twitter.com/ParasailerOSRS/status/1339305193180078080

Parasailer (@ParasailerOSRS)

S2E27: FINALE

Over two and a half years of lamps/books/quest rewards later...

Finally done with all skilling grinds! Gonna take a break for a few weeks and then it's time to finally PVM :D

99 Herblore was by far the worst btw 🤮

Twitter · Dec 16, 2020, 8:23 PM

[rancid wren]

So I was seeing 1804 Vork, 6992 barrage nechs, 1574 melee nechs from the 2021 slayer list
Which I guess is 8566 nechs, but if you do only melee nechs then you'll do more of them en route to 99 Slayer, but you'll also unblock abbys now which means you'll do less...
Let's call it 10k melee nechs, which means you need 3.3k wraths right?
1.8k Vork gives you 3240 wraths, which is pretty close

[jolly radish]

What level is this from? 69 with bowfa?

[rancid wren]

100cb to 99

But might as well be 80 Slayer to 99

[deep oxide]

Vork allows you to use wraths more rather than banking dbones and still get >1:1

Alternatively let’s you regular barrage abyssal demons

[rancid wren]

Ye I mean overall it's inconsequential, 1 hour of wraths is 10.3k wraths

I'm not out here minmaxing how much wrath RC one has to do for maxing in 2023scape (where minmax is w.r.t. PVM-banked wraths)
If you lose 1 hour overall it's fine by me

[rancid wren]

Yeah that's actually true, good point. If you can still get 1:1 then wraths > banking

Forgot about that "clamping" aspect since over-XP is worthless

(notwithstanding some slight pre-99 annoyances like rushing DA4 ASAP)

[crisp valley]

idt anyone caught you saying 94, but that's more of a QOL level than a big mage DPS increase; you can use Smoke Barrage at 82 with Divine Magic potions (freezing with Ice Burst if necessary) and use Ice Barrage at 90 with them, too

(Shadow and Blood barrage are too expensive for too little of a DPS increase, so you can mostly ignore them)

You can also rush crafting, superglass make will get you some magic XP and you'll have to do it sooner or later

(and charging orbs earlier on)

[stuck leaf]

Huuuuh thats advice I really like, thanks

It makes much more sense

[deep oxide]

ice barrage is definitely not just qol for dag tasks which youll be doing a lot of

but for less common barrage tasks like dust devils it is

[stuck leaf]

Why is ice good?

For dags

[deep oxide]

so u can stack them

[stuck leaf]

Also damn divine mage is just 78 herb thats good

[deep oxide]

ice burst + lower barrage for dags is garbage

[quick latch]

The cure for dags tasks is deciding you value pets

[deep oxide]

ive done enough of it to say that

[stuck leaf]

I didn't know ppl barraged dags tbh I thought they were a cannon task

[quick latch]

What's a cannon

[stuck leaf]

But I come from mainscape

[deep oxide]

lighthouse cannon for mains

catacombs barrage for irons

[stuck leaf]

Til

My iron is still working on sote reqs so this is future info

But thx for the early craft to 82 mage and smoke barrage idea

[quick latch]

Smoke is stonks

Not sure just crafting gets you to 82 mage

[stuck leaf]

Prob not but like agility alching as well

[crisp valley]

yeah it won't get you all of the way there but it's a nice bonus

assuming you're making empty light orbs with all of the glass and you make 24 per inventory (both are overestimations to make the math easy, so you'll get more magic xp than this) you get 78 magic xp for every 1860 crafting xp

so millions of crafting xp will get you a few hundred thousand magic xp

[lilac hollow]

Definitely accumulative - I finished 99craft pre-99mage, don't even remember what else I did outside of that, misc alching and barrage/burdt slay lol

[fallow jackal]

So go touch on what @stiff crag said about broad bolts… what do you recommend besides broad bolts ?

[stiff crag]

a magic shortbow

[fallow jackal]

80 fletching o.o

And my ass will go 1m dry on hard clue scrolls 😂

[stiff crag]

generally ranging is not very strong, especially if you are limited to using these weapons

its completely fine to just disregard the skill

but if you want to train it anyway, other than chins a magic shortbow (i) with rune arrows is by far the best option

[fallow jackal]

And rock with melee and mage

[stiff crag]

if you want to go for that id get 75 fletching so you can make your own rune arrows

[fallow jackal]

I mean I don’t feel 80 fletching is bad at all

[stiff crag]

and +5 boost for a msb

[fallow jackal]

Or a lot of lms 👀 hahaha

[stiff crag]

I really wouldnt do lms for rune arrows

just buy them in the shop instead

[rotund laurel]

Chins to bowfa, you dont even need msb

[fallow jackal]

Let's say I get a rcb before msb... should I use it until then? @stiff crag

[deep oxide]

Not really good anywhere outside of ds2 comparatively

Would passively do hard clues they’re super common

76 fletch is also a low req for making

[stiff crag]

id just ignore ranged tbh if a rune crossbow if your only option

[fallow jackal]

okay, I'm in another delimma 😛

I have 240k

I can buy dscim or upgrade ibans staff

What are y'all thinking

[clear galleon]

Real answer is probably just get gold and do both

you'll probably use dscim longer than you'll use ibans though

[fallow jackal]

Not the answer I wanted to hear 😦 hahaha

But I know that's the truth

[clear galleon]

dscim will be used for basically all your slayer until cb100~ 73~

until you get a lot of barrage tasks and then it's that and skips

[fallow jackal]

dscim it is!

Thank you hoppy.

I appreciate the rapid respones fr

[clear galleon]

dscim and piety and thralls shreds compared to ibans

ibans is nice for some early game shit like seren boss fight, 1 diary kill at zulrah (although blood blitz or grasp+thralls works just as well) but i didn't actually get all that much use out of it

maybe that's a mistake on my end though

[fallow jackal]

I figured I would show you my stats!

[clear galleon]

lookin' good! coming along nicely.

[rancid wren]

nah I agree, I think Iban's is basically dead content besides one-offs like first berserker and a small handful of one-time quest bosses

[lethal depot]

Interested to see what else you would add to that list and maybe a contrasting list?

[stiff crag]

The contrasting list would mostly be the milestones we put in BRUHsailer 😄

so lets see

• Use the Arceuus spellbook as much as possible, do not use ardy cloak for transportation
• Unlock farming contracts (medium and later hard) early
• Hardwood and fruit trees, along with hespori and calquat, are great farming xp. Regular trees are not that important. Seaweed is bad until you have an attas planted (boostable 76 farming).
• Earth battlestaves are a great moneymaker
• Berserker ring early is great
• Thralls early are great
• Piety early is great
• Use prayer potions, not using offensive prayers is really bad. Flicking is optional but not necessary.
• Chins are the best ranged training method by far, and it's not really worth using other methods. If you really want to, unlock 75 fletching to boost for a magic shortbow and the ability to make your own rune arrows (unboosted).
• Use monk's robes or mystics for barraging. Also you can boost for smoke barrage starting at level 82 magic, which is much better than burst spells.
• You can use rings of dueling to get to Ferox Enclave and restore run energy when necessary at low level.

[livid gulch]

Fastest tele to calquat on arceuus? Is Brimhaven tab really the best still? It's been awhile since I've done

[stiff crag]

yes, other than the tai bwo scroll

[livid gulch]

Gotcha, thanks!