#Blade of saeldor uses/toa advice

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sonic warren
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I have scythe/hasta/tent, just wondering if it would be worthwhile to make a saeldor out of my bowfa after i get a tbow/if i was to get a 2nd enh seed from doing CG CAs (unlikely)

raw prawn
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I can't think of any uses. The main use case of salad blade is tob, and with a scythe you should use that instead

sonic warren
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only uses i can think of is melee slayer (i dont do any melee tasks aside from dark beasts so meh) and slash uses

raw prawn
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hasta is better than salad at toa

sonic warren
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but there aren't really any

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as u say

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yeah i was running the numbers and surprised by that

raw prawn
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scythe is better than salad at dark beasts which is the other niche use

sonic warren
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so used to max hits being king like at tob lmao

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but accuracy king in toa

raw prawn
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maybe there's a tick-fixing thing somewhere?

sonic warren
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so pretty much nothing?

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yeah i could replace my tent in duo/trio tob for fixing

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but that's about it

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hmmge

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and i would still want to bring bofa to solo cox at least until i get full masori

raw prawn
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fwiw bowfa is also uses for tick-fixing in a number of situations

sonic warren
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(post tbow)

raw prawn
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fwiw I think its a good idea to camp toa to completion before settling in for a Serious cox grind

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capital S

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so you'd presumably have masori at that point

sonic warren
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what items is that for? i use scythe in cox too

raw prawn
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the shadow is really really good

sonic warren
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shadow would be nice but quite rare

raw prawn
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both at cox and in general

sonic warren
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ok fair

raw prawn
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and like half the time to collect compared to tbow

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shadow easier to get and stronger at cox than tbow is at toa

sonic warren
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off topic for the question, but how many places do you use shadow in the game

raw prawn
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basically all of them tbh

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its a busted item

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stronger than tbow

sonic warren
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sheesh

raw prawn
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getting a buff soon too with the new ring

sonic warren
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why'd i have to get spooned on the worst of the 3 mega weapons coolcry

raw prawn
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im not sure scythe is worse than tbow

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anyway, I dont have any

sonic warren
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sad game

raw prawn
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also I wanted to add

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theres a copium argument that bowfa might be bis at some places in the future

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theres theoretical stat blocks (high slash defence, high mage defence, low magic level) where bowfa would be bis

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but theres no creatures in the game with those stats

sonic warren
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hmm but with new bosses coming out they might make that niche

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dt2 bosses, raids 4 in future etc etc

raw prawn
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I honestly dont expect them to

sonic warren
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yeah x to doubt too

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but you never know

raw prawn
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but at the same time salad blade has no real current uses and no hope to become bis

sonic warren
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icic

raw prawn
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personally I think crystal weapons are just second grade if you have shadow + tbow + fang

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and not great long before that

sonic warren
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i assume that's because in the scenario where blade would be bis (high def, high def in all styles but slash) fang would win anyway

raw prawn
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anything thats not slash resistant is weak to scythe

sonic warren
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even high defence?

raw prawn
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all future upgrades will buff scythe more than they buff salad

sonic warren
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i was always under the impression that scythe sucks above ~100 def

raw prawn
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I dont think salad is ever going to catch up

sonic warren
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that's a good point

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While it's on my mind, since I have scythe are there any tob rewards worth getting before grinding out toa fully

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E.g. sang/rapier

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Avernic

raw prawn
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avernic is great

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get that

sonic warren
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Normally I think the consensus is fanf before tob

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Fang

raw prawn
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rapier is better than hasta but worse than fang, so itll help for a bit. fang is common though

sonic warren
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But since I have scythe anyway it's irrelevant to me

raw prawn
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sang is cute but not a huge deal, you dont really mage much in toa

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its a higher max hit than trident and you can heal away chip damage at akkha, but its not a big deal either way

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if you have it definitely take it though

sonic warren
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Yeah in my 350s Akkha is the only difficult boss for me

raw prawn
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yeah akkha is the final boss of the raid, thats just how it is

sonic warren
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Since I don't have the DPS to keep butterflying during shadows

raw prawn
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but chip damage is just an inv slot or two to brews

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butterfly is bad without a shadow

sonic warren
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Even if you don't lose ticks maging Voss?

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Boss

raw prawn
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yes

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mage dps is much lower than other styles

sonic warren
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Oh because sang is shit dps

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Mhm

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Or whatever mage wep

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any suggestions on what i should change for my solo 350s setup btw

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i red x baba

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normally i finish in ~34 mins

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0-1 restores and 0-1 brews left going into wardens

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depending on damage taken and how long rooms take

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probably gonna bank the acb

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meme spec weapon

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only thing is that i'm not sure if lb is worth it for extra specs without a proper dps spec weapon

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guarantees the 2 down but that's about all

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and then more bgs specs ofc

raw prawn
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stop red x'ing baba, for one

sonic warren
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yeah i know it's losing 33% dps

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but i hate that boss normally lmao, akkha chip damage on crack

raw prawn
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id also dump torm, ward and acb

sonic warren
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would probably need more brews in that case

raw prawn
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thats a sun keris right?

sonic warren
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yea

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only got red and yellow

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so far

raw prawn
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then you wont need more brews

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2 is a bit high even

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1 brew is pretty common with yellow parti

sonic warren
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ok so all specs after fully bgs'd are used on yellow

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so keep lb

raw prawn
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yeah basically

sonic warren
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in that case

raw prawn
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I also like to sip one adren at akkha

sonic warren
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and then no adren for obelisk?

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or doing akkha last and hoping it carries over

raw prawn
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thats right

sonic warren
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ok

raw prawn
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no adren at obelisk

sonic warren
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so 1 bgs on obelisk and then ignore it

raw prawn
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speccing at obelisk is a tbow setup thing

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bowfa users dont need to

sonic warren
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ic

raw prawn
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yeah 1 bgs is fine

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also you're doing 3down right?

sonic warren
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what do i bring with the new spaces

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been going for 2d

raw prawn
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ah 3down is better

sonic warren
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is 3d better for points/hr?

raw prawn
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quite a lot better

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yes

sonic warren
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epic

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been doing skull skips too

raw prawn
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its higher purps/hr just from the points of the third down

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but then in addition you get to spec p3

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dump some bgs'es there

sonic warren
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ok

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do i still need dds for the 3 down in that case?

raw prawn
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im not sure, you can check a calc

sonic warren
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never intentionally gone for them

raw prawn
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I carry it just in case sorta

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dump a few specs first down

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breeze through second and third

sonic warren
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do you have a link to the core down calculator?

raw prawn
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nope sorry

sonic warren
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i remember finding one a while ago but lost it again

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alright i'll take a look

raw prawn
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to enable more yellow parti specs

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especially at akkha

sonic warren
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extra melee switch maybe?

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either tasset or fero

raw prawn
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if you want to, sure

sonic warren
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1 max hit afaik

raw prawn
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fero is better but tassets are symmetrical swaps

sonic warren
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feros are same str bonus but 2 acc in each style right

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over bgloves

raw prawn
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think so yes

sonic warren
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prolly just gonna bring tassets then

raw prawn
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id recommend playing around with it a bit to find an approach that works for you

sonic warren
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finally having symmetrical switches is nice

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for monke room

raw prawn
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with those +3 slots

sonic warren
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i was switching between 2 styles to keep my inv sorted

raw prawn
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and the advice of 3d, no red x, no butterfly, using more parti specs

sonic warren
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so many more clicks lol

raw prawn
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you can include death charge if you want

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you can smuggle it in with soul runes in the pouch and uncharge trident to get deaths

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then put most charges back in, drop a few scales and runes

sonic warren
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hmm seems a bit annoying to do

raw prawn
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I just do 3-way at monke room

sonic warren
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yeah i used to do the same, but someone said that in higher invos you need to do more switches

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is that bad info?

raw prawn
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im not sure, im only doing 350s

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I think you dont really have to swap more

sonic warren
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what do you camp for other slots

raw prawn
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just crystal

sonic warren
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is it worth bringing a divine instead of a regular scb?

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downside is if i need to brew up in baba

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does that look good? or more restores

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Blade of saeldor uses/toa advice

sonic warren
raw prawn
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I dont really have an opinion on divine vs regular

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personally I also do zkab with bowfa baba

sonic warren
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is zkab better without fang?

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and what are my prepots/pots brought into raid with that

raw prawn
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this is my setup

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prepots go into 2 brews 1 ppot

raw prawn
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baba deals a lot of chip damage with just a hasta, and bowfa baba doesnt deal significant amounts of damage

sonic warren
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is that down to being able to kite baba around a centre boulder

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or just item stats or smth

raw prawn
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if theres a centre boulder you can kite on that

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but its a bonus, not really a required part of the strategy

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more often than not you dont get one

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you can step back every shot and if baba is using the shadow stomp thing she'll stay frozen, creating gap

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so you take far fewer attacks total

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boulder skipping is tick perfect with a bowfa though so you'd need to practice that

sonic warren
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i mean i'm bringing bp anyway so can just do a 1 way switch

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can still get 1 boulder that way without boulderdash

raw prawn
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if you do baba last you may not have the max hits

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since the path leveled

sonic warren
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ah

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what mechanics does baba get from levelling again?

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always just sent it first

raw prawn
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faster falling rocks, higher boulder hp

sonic warren
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ok so based off my maths, dds is not needed for 3 down until 330 raid level

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i mostly send 300s/325s

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is it recommended to go higher without fang?

raw prawn
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yes

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always go as high as you can consistently clear

sonic warren
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even if it ends up taking longer per raid?

raw prawn
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theres a purps/hr calculator pinned in #tombs-of-amascut

sonic warren
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oh dope

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thanks

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ok so running the numbers, i can get a 3 down without dds if i bring tassets + feros

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loses an inv slot but i gain it back when i bank the dds

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just gotta not miss ticks ez

raw prawn
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I like the flexibility of being able to miss ticks

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getting a 4d is awful

sonic warren
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yeah lots more time for 0 point gain

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just worried i'll go into autopilot and get a 2 down lmao

sonic warren
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i was thinking of bringing a blue gem in and swapping them out lmao

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forgot you could get extra kerises

raw prawn
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its the same inv space either way yeah

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just buy a second for 60k or w/e

sonic warren
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is the sanfew necessary?

raw prawn
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no

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usually I leave with a full sanfew

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its just in case I make a mistake on baba puzzle

sonic warren
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ic

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sorry to keep bothering you but do you still run the 350 invos from bruhsailer image drive?

raw prawn
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I include boulderdash and exclude walk for it to give me more wiggle room

sonic warren
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is there risk of going over 40 min timer with this setup?

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or just for deaths

raw prawn
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I havent sent any runs in a while but my last two were 38-39 mins

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though thats mostly skill issue

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I think it should go back down to ~34 with practice

sonic warren
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i'll give it a go with those invos

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if i find i'm making time consistently i'll swap em back

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not used to boulder skip with dash on

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esp with bofa

raw prawn
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you could start at 340

sonic warren
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that wasnt too bad

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42 mins tho

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fucked up a decent bit

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had to red x 2 phases of baba due to running out of supplies to prior mistakes

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adren on akkha didnt feel necessary, although i could have just got lucky with the chip dmg

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that should make it easier :p

raw prawn
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also gz!

sonic warren
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that's for 320s

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i'd have to check my last 350 time with my route

raw prawn
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ah ok

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probably a bit of a learning curve then

sonic warren
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yea

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im doing better on supps this run

raw prawn
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my 320s were usually around 32-33 mins, I was also still learning 350

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nice

sonic warren
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yeah i was clearly on a better pace than last time

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made a bunch of mistakes + no sanfew in baba

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puzzle

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so had to red x whole boss

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and died at 50%

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repeated

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didnt die

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and 44 min completion

raw prawn
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oof death is rough, you shouldnt red x ever tbh

sonic warren
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yeah i mean if i'm completely out

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surely it's better than resetting the whole raid?

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backup strat but i've had to use it both runs so far

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idk what i'm doing to use more supps

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other than the mistakes in puzzle

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i had 1.75b 2.5r going into puzzle

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is that normal?

raw prawn
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no thats low

sonic warren
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i should pay attention to where i'm using supps

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i used 1 dose of brew on keph

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other than that just sipping ppots/restores as needed on bosses

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that's with flicking zebak too

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could be my prayer level? 89

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also what is your procedure for dung at kephri? i didnt fully trap meleer first kc and it was quite messy

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oh

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that was a 2 death raid

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forgot

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i also died on kephri at ranger

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because i didnt trap melee

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and he was on me at same time as ranger

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noodled on ranger with blue keris

raw prawn
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I dont trap melee

sonic warren
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don't you run into issues with it attacking you as well as ranger?

raw prawn
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first shield focus swarms, then when they're gone kill ranger

sonic warren
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also which one are you praying against in that scenario

raw prawn
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second shield focus arcane, if you're quick enough focus swarms after, when they're gone kill melee

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if you're not quick enough just ignore swarms and kill melee

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you pray range all through the first shield

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and melee through the second

sonic warren
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wait so

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if the melee is left alive before 2nd shield

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will it spawn another?

raw prawn
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wait you're running more overlords?

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turn that off asap

sonic warren
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yeah that's on your list

raw prawn
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no its not

sonic warren
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hmmge

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maybe i have an old list or something

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i thought it seemed wrong to have overlords on

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lmfao

raw prawn
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oh fuck its on the 350

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what the hell

sonic warren
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yeah

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that's what i'm saying

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🤣

raw prawn
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no dont do that, run upset stomach instead

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sorry

sonic warren
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npnp

raw prawn
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the 320 list is accurate

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and from there I add stay vig, upset stomach and boulderdash and drop walk for it

sonic warren
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so other than that the 350 list is accurate to your list?

raw prawn
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yeah

sonic warren
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yep

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ic

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i really like that you dont run any help invos

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makes warden comfy

raw prawn
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yeah

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thats for the push for 400 imo

sonic warren
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what invos are recommended with my setup + fang

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400s?

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or is it gated behind shadow/tbow more than fang

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whilst i'm on the topic, is there any other content i should be sending outside of toa that could help me inside

raw prawn
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with fang you should run 400+ yes

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and not really

sonic warren
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found it

red trout
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if anything bowfa is more convenient to have compared to pipe tbh

sonic warren
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yeah using bp on akkha seems cringe

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esp if you are using rune darts

mellow hull
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Been sending solos for fang for team cox, but will use lance solo*

raw prawn
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staff

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its so strong

sonic warren
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Fang is nice for tekton

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Iirc

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Lb also good for more specs

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If you don't have scythe to worry about max hits

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(would have to consult someone with more solo experience than me, I've been told both ways multiple times for lb vs berserker in solo Cox)

raw prawn
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I thought b ring was better but idk

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at any rate if its close LB is not an important pickup

red trout
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fang good for tekton vang vasa/tick fix at olm if u integrate that.

i dont think id take lightbearer for bowfa+lance chambers

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think it makes sense if doin whip/blade raids, or maybe once you have bp masori dhcb shadow as you kinda get a lot of value out of the bp specs

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ive seen people take in voidwaker for mystics vasa vangs muta in cms but i hard doubt thisll be easy to fit for regular cox

nova jacinth
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Maybe in some layouts if u alt scout

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But I'd rather just have another brew so that I can get away without tight gameplay and still noprep

sonic warren
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and since i have scythe i'm trolling myself with lightbearer right?

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even in team raids