Im struggling getting more than 1 or 2 kill trips at zammy, im hitting kril twice and then running under. 91 atk, 99 str, 90 def, just wondering if there is much more advice rather than just getting bowfa?
#Zammy GWD
tropic vector
supple mesa
should still be able to get more kills/trip meleeing, do you have any vids/pics of setup?
tropic vector
I can try and get a vid of a trip for sure. I will take a couple of pics of my setup
supple mesa
👍
supple mesa
would definitely upgrade to b ring atleast
rest looks pretty solid so i'm interested in a vid
tropic vector
I tried b ring last time and managed to get 1 kill so thought suffering might help with defence but will swap that out
mental badge
it does help with defense but killing the boss faster means you take less damage
b ring is a big dps increase for arclight due to its scaling
tropic vector
Will get a vid of this trip i do now 🙂
supple mesa
B ring can be like 5 max hits with arclight
tropic vector
Im trying to get better as a whole at PVM as tbf i know im no good at it right now, pray flicking is something i would like to try and get used too
tropic vector
Yeah 100%, assume thats why a lot of methods now require bowfa?
misty fractal
This is for bandos but the same principles apply
misty fractal
Yeah 100%, assume thats why a lot of methods now require bowfa?
You need bowfa anyway and flicking properly is a lot harder than bowfa methods and still worse
So basically everyone just does bowfa strats cuz they're almost free
bitter hawk
Are you flicking minions after the kill?
tropic vector
Are you flicking minions after the kill?
No, im not sure how too
misty fractal
As soon as the animation for a minion attacking starts switch prayers
bitter hawk
That'd be a big help to your trip length
tropic vector
Uploading the trip now, made a few stupid mistakes even for a new pvmer.
supple mesa
even just bumrushing the mager after the kill and then flicking melee +range is a huge help
just have to make sure they're not on the same tick which you can achieve by walking under
polar quarry
btw for zammy you have to pray mage range melee not range mage melee like bandos
setup is diff too
don't use strix video for zammy, I recommend watching oziris or wutzit to learn flicking
supple mesa
then just camp melee prayer and switch to ranger before he attacks, or after the melee attacks switch to range prayer and as soon as the rangers animation has started you can switch back to melee and repeat
good place to start instead of trying to flick all with no experience
tropic vector
I realised i let pray drop a couple times, not too sure why i did tbf, zammy drains pray when he slams through correct?
polar quarry
Two things:
- seems like you forgot Piety for like 25-30 secs, v important for offense and defense
- you're staying under for too long, you just need to match weapon cooldown... staying under longer = kill takes longer = minions do more dmg, particularly ranger
this is a chance, he can hit up to 49
your stats are very good btw, it's just the small things like not doing enough DPS
"small" 🙂 they add up
tropic vector
Two things:
- seems like you forgot Piety for like 25-30 secs, v important for o...
Piety was for some reason not on my quick prayers, you probably see me try and fix that mid kill haha. When you say weapon cooldown, do you just mean the time between attacks?
polar quarry
Yea you want to make sure you attack every 4t
Zammy attacks every 6t so that's why 2:1 works
If you spend more time underneath, it's still 2:1 but the minions are taking free shots at you
Zammy might not be hitting you but you're also not hitting Zammy so it's just extra damage from minions for each additional tick you stay under that you didn't have to
robust minnow
should eat up slightly more so you dont feel the need to 1:1 when he hits you
if you get low then stop doing 2:1 youll just have the fight snowball not in your favor
boss timer on = you stand under him and get a free hit at the start (3:1 initially)
tropic vector
This has been really good to read back on, thanks all. Also is it worth taking ancients if im only getting 1 or 2 kills?
polar quarry
Yes
Could make the difference between 1 and 2 which is pretty big 😛
The difference between 15 and 16 is decidedly less important
tropic vector
I also have a dwh, worth taking? Assume so but having arclight sorta does the same thing on spec doesnt it?
polar quarry
DWH is better
tropic vector
Awesome, going to send another trip now and see how it goes. How many kills should i be looking to get per trip?
robust minnow
should be able to get like 4
sometimes more if you hit extra hammers or get some nice food drops
polar quarry
I usually aimed for 8 with 90/99/90 but 4-5 minimum for sure with ur stats
if you learn how to flick you can extend for sure
Sri had some nice ones, like 27 kills or something
robust minnow
if hammer lands sometimes you wont even need to eat which is rly big for trip length
idk if it was said but you shouldnt be doing ecu keys
tropic vector
Lmao well shit, i got some work to do haha, cant get any worse.
I didnt realise i had one in the bank and wanted to get the video for feedback so thought id use it, i wouldnt usually
polar quarry
this is the setup I took btw
ofc use berserker over suff, think I was trollin a little here
https://imgur.com/a/E02OJUq
8-kill trip, alternate brew and angler based on divine timer
tropic vector
8 kill trip, is that with flicking as well?
robust minnow
no you can get that many without flicking if hammers go well / decent food drops
arclight is a strong item on task
polar quarry
yeah 8 kills was without flicking
divine potions are really good, take them for sure
you wanna maximize str and maintain that max hit
bitter hawk
Without flicking at all? Or just no flicking during boss
polar quarry
no flicking during boss, flicked post kill yea
IMO unlike bandos it's kinda important because you only have 1 source of healing (no B2P available)
later on I started doing 16 kill trips and flicking, just double pots
sri uploaded a video on yt to teach me how to do it
lemme find it one sec
robust minnow
you dont have to flick post kill every time but definitely if you are lowish on hp its pretty mandatory to save food
polar quarry
yea you can also do some crazier shit like oziris but IMO it's completely unnecessary. your stats are really good, you will definitely finish minions in time even if you turn off piety lol
this shit
https://streamable.com/jxp15r
robust minnow
its good practice btw for other content to learn at gwd post kill tbh
tropic vector
Lmao comboed out 47-17 but the first kill went really well
polar quarry
Nice nice
Yea unfortunately if you don't flick you need to maintain at least 49+23 or something
Ranger is also rly accurate
Btw if you use this tile, the minions will automatically off-tick
https://imgur.com/a/jT7c9bu
Like on spawn in instance
Discovered that from watching an Oziris video in 2019 or 2020
And then they will stay off-tick during the kill, so you can easily practice post-kill flicking without doing any manual work
tropic vector
That then makes flicking much easier i assume?
polar quarry
Yeah exactly
Post-kill you can continue doing the usual mage-range-melee
The mager sees you right away (off-camera to the bottom left)
The ranger is smaller so it will take 1t to drag up to see you
The meleer will take 2t-3t to drift over to you, so they will end up being perfectly offsync
autumn comet
You can also do some lazy flicking where as soon as kril attacks, you can switch to range or mage pray (not sure which does more dmg) and keep that on until right after you click kril to step out from under him again
devout fable
I think you can win most by just not spending so much time afk under zammy, instead attacking on cooldown as para said. The tiles and minion flicking and whatnot are great improvements but this change is really easy and has a high impact