#The Crystal Orchestra Presents... Lena Raine - Otherside; Version II, improved audio and handling

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weak mist
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I did this a while ago and put it off till I forgot about it; well now I remember it and figured its been long enough.

Hope you all enjoy ^w^, including you Woofie 😛 woofiespin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvH6bpC68u0

Special Thanks to:

  • ReikaKalseki and their v33a update
  • Lena Raine; original composer
  • ???; had the best midi file of Otherside I was able to find that worked well with the Orchestra; unfortunately I was not able to record who made it to properly credit them for the original file that I cleaned up a bit on here. Whoever you are; thank you for posting it on the web.

EDIT: removed the video file and replaced with Youtube vid

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Lena Raine - Otherside v2; Crystal Orchestra Cover

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Special Thanks:

  • ReikaKalseki and their v33a update
  • Lena Raine; original composer
  • ???; had the best midi file of Otherside I was able to find that worked well with the Orchestra; unfortunately I was not able to record who made it to properly credit them for the original file that I cleaned up a bit on here. Whoeve...
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covert escarp
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sick

weak mist
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if one of you can get Rekia to see this id aprecate it ^u^

weak mist
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Heads up; video file may be deleted and replace with the YouTube one

sick forum
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My job here is done

weak mist
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oh shit shes here

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I didnt realize

sick forum
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Despite popular belief, she's not actually the tyrant of pack control she was made out to be

weak mist
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and I just made a bug report to get her atention on her issues github XD

sick forum
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...She might yell at you for that

weak mist
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dint think there was any other way for me to reach out to her

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dint realize she was in here

sick forum
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That's fair I guess

weak mist
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only change to the original I got online was removing a instriment that kept on making an off-pitch noise during the solo part of it

sick forum
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Even so, this is the kind of thing she'd probably appreciate

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Most developers love seeing people use their mods in interesting ways

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Source: am developers

weak mist
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also

sick forum
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...CURSED developer, though. #255122566438453249 message

weak mist
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the new change that adds a new setting (im calling "surge" based on its behavior) also worked well

narrow hazelBOT
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lilirine

[Quote ➤](#255122566438453249 message) hahayes endermen can now pick up BlockEntitys (and they should keep their NBT data, too!)

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weak mist
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yeah this was made when 33a was being worked on

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it was relased in early september

covert escarp
sick forum
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Oh the image didn't embed

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weak mist
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and who dosent love Otherside?

sick forum
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What's Otherside

covert escarp
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the song

weak mist
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^ dito

sick forum
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By who

weak mist
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Lena Raine

sick forum
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Who's that

weak mist
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same person that made pigstep

sick forum
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Is she like some indie composer

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Oh pigstep slaps

covert escarp
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lili

sick forum
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Wait otherside is a MC song?

weak mist
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and stardew vally composer

covert escarp
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its a song in minecraft

sick forum
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aaron you know i play 1.12.2

weak mist
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not really

sick forum
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is it a new menu song

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or smthn

weak mist
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it was from stardew vally

sick forum
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stardew slaps

weak mist
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and it made it into minecraft somehow

covert escarp
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its a music disc

weak mist
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that one track

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idk what the circumstanses were to add a music disc from another game into minecraft

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but it was a great choice on their end

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you know

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this is also the thing I got my "I post cool shit" role from

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the first vid showing the orchestra was it playing a basic version of Sweden

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it blew up and I tried to mimic that sucess

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hoping this one does too conisdering its Otherside

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I think Pigstep, Otherside, and Sweden are the top 3 people like

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and I would be willing to do a pigstep being played on the orchestra; though it might be a challange to find a working midi for it

covert escarp
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put it on a youtube channel instead of just here maybe

weak mist
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istruments are abnmormal and I dont think the orchestra would account for it

covert escarp
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wait

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you did

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slap it on r/feedthebeast

weak mist
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yeah I updated it

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...

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reddit

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thankfuly im a redditor

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(god help me XD)

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the other video in here is yet to be uploaded

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the second one is the same as the first; though its using the new setting the 33a update implimented

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idk what its called but I call it "surge" becasue of the visual effect and chromatic sound it plays

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if I had to guess how it works, it might be tirggered based on intensity or something; ya know, like how a dubstep gun would work or smthing, idk. it turned out great though too

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the only thing I DINT do is record 2 more versions of it

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same as the current 2, but w/ "ley line harmonics" (Rekia said this :P)

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only reason I dint do that was becasue the background would have to be distrupted

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that and its a bit of a pain to setup, since I need one of each pylon lined up

weak mist
lean hawk
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it also demonstrates the tuning of the crystals (ie the fact each color has an associated major or minor chord) quite well

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you can see the color palette shifting as the tonal center moves around, and especially in the key change near the end

weak mist
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glad you like it

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if I knew you were on here I woudnt have made that github post on the issue tracker

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(sorry about that)

lean hawk
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mainly because the bolt note - what you call "surge" - is, while intended for bassline use (hence the icon in the GUI to toggle it), not meant for repeated hits as it is here

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you could in theory make it work better by tuning the MIDI but that would be a lot of work for little gain

lean hawk
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if the former then an issue is definitely preferable

weak mist
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it was to reach out to you

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dint know you were on here

lean hawk
# weak mist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheYxD1294k

speaking of ley line harmonics, it is a few weeks early but whatever https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466852735635947530/924417151216017418/Crystalsarajevo-1-small.mp4?ex=6559300f&is=6546bb0f&hm=ecc8097321ff0709d5505619f32066f72829b6f7b3afe80e7d24896c8b3061d5& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466852735635947530/924417168643338240/chromacanon-small.mp4?ex=65593013&is=6546bb13&hm=ddc37d0c78df294f40a1004447a9d5a2524885aaee598fd28ec26a02173d250e&

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weak mist
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id wanted to show this to you considering how well it turned out; and while the second one may have not turned out as intended, it does still sound decent to me

the only thing that I would try to improive on the first one is to figure out how to remove the noise in the begining; sounds like the center button was being pressed

lean hawk
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which i had to sync up

weak mist
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OMG

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WIZARDS IN WINTER!

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TRANS-SIRBERAN ORCHESTRA!!!!

lean hawk
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no and yes respectively

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sarajevo and canon

weak mist
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ah

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mixed names up XD

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while im chatting here wtih you; can I ask you a question out of curiosity?

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why is it that the UI elements are not respecting native window sizes? just curious tbh (im a visual hog; if things like visual misalinments occur or particle systems break [engine stops running], it hurts me :P)

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its also why I love chromaticraft; the visuals are something

lean hawk
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but things should scale with the gui scale

weak mist
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I found that its seems to break, if you resize the window instead of fullscreen it it will cause the misalinment to occur

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so it causes those boxes when hovering over them to drift as its not appearing to respect the adjusting resolution

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its easy to recreate this way then having to swap between numerous moniters imo because i guess it could be argued resolutions could be mimiced by having a smaller game window

lean hawk
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I do not follow

weak mist
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and by the looks of it, the issue really likes to occur on off resoulution sizes

to clarify: imagine a 800x600 window; the elements hovering over one will appear at a different place compared to a 1280x800 window

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one second; let me boot the thing up; best do this right while I have your attention lel

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it worked!

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you see what Im saying now?

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(sorry, I have a hard time explaining things at times)

lean hawk
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that looks like normal GUI scaling behavior

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scaling ot the largest integer scale it can fit

weak mist
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you see that tab element though

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when I was hovering over something is what im pointing out

lean hawk
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oh the tooltips

weak mist
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yeah

lean hawk
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those are drawn on a different layer

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this causing them to be misaligned is a known issue

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one that has resisted fix

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it is also minor enough to not really be worth sinking tons of time into

weak mist
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ic

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anyhow thanks

maybe somone on here might have an idea whats going on to fix this

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my best guess is that whatever is being used to determine the distance between the cursor and the tooltip is not properly acounting for the screen resolution

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although I will make a note; it seems like the recipies tooltip is staying consistenty in place in this UI

lean hawk
weak mist
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E!!!

weak mist
# weak mist although I will make a note; it seems like the `recipies` tooltip is staying con...

so whatever is being done for that tooltip element in particular is being done correctly; its the only one in fact not shifting around; though thats NEI possibly

ima gonna ask about this; the version im using a instance matained by GTNH devs so if anyone might know whats going on here with this bug its them.

thanks for the chat and im glad you like it
It would be interesting if the orchistra eventualy can play other types of files but its colors and stuff is triggered by what parts of it spike; would be an interesting side-mode for visual performances like you showcased above

lean hawk
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MIDI is note events

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that is why it can be translated to ingame audiovisual events

weak mist
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ah

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might be another way but might be too complex for this game to handle lel

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if it was somehow broken down into something like you would see in a occelicope lel

lean hawk
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the crystal orchestra does not play audio files

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it does not work on audio samples

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it needs discrete "play X note at Y time"

weak mist
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ah ok I get it

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diecied to try out the bezer crystals since I never tested to see if the patch was made

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oh pfff; nvm

ima gonna head off now

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lean hawk
weak mist
# weak mist oh pfff; nvm ima gonna head off now

gonna try and remember to re-report this bug lel; could have sworn it got patched; yet again I found it strange that 33a was the reuploaded version when 33c was the last one I remember previously

lean hawk
weak mist
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alr thanx

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also... now im curious

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did you accidenty reupload a older fix version of update 33?

lean hawk
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i had a drive failure in august

weak mist
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ooh

lean hawk
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midway through making an update

weak mist
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oof

lean hawk
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it might have messed stuff up

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that said

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my MC workspace was not on that drive

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but i rushed out an incomplete update

weak mist
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hmmm, I wonder if I still have 33c somewhere

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but yeah, sorry to hear about the drive giving out on you

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was it an SSD or a HDD? I learned that HDDs while a bit slower than a SSD does give an indication of a drive about to give wile SSD's give out wtih no warning sign

lean hawk
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HDD

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external USB drive

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and my main data storage drive

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there were no detectable warning signs

weak mist
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so it dint make any sounds? usualy HDDs do I thought

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huh, must have been spontanious failure

sick forum
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sometimes they just

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die

lean hawk
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just suddenly in the middle of using it, having done so for hours, the programs using it locked up, and then windows failed to even mount the drive

lean hawk
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the early section of the drive, where the partition and NTFS info is, failed

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most of the actual data was safe

sick forum
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doesn't NTFS have a backup boot sector?

lean hawk
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but i have been trying to recover the file structure with tools

lean hawk
sick forum
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ntfsfix on Linux reads it

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On NTFS, a copy of the boot sector is stored at the middle or at the end of the Volume. Boot from a startup floppy disk(s) or CD-ROM, choose the repair option during setup, and run Recovery Console.

lean hawk
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but to access this you need to mount a clone of the drive - which I have - to an empty drive, which I do not

sick forum
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Have you tried running ntfsfix on it?

lean hawk
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I am not on linux

sick forum
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from a live USB

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something like partedmagic or whatever should do the trick

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alternatively, testdisk

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there's a windows version

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but I don't know if testdisk on Windows needs the drive mounted

weak mist
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sounds like it might work but I dont know enough about computers and stuff; if anything in this situation id take caution cus im not sure what could cuase a failed drive to corrupt

lean hawk
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this is not a boot drive for the OS

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this is a data drive

sick forum
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I don't think it's specifically boot sector

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it's a backup of the MFT

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like ext4 superblock backups

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yeah

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$MFTMIRR

lean hawk
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it is 2:30 am so i cannot do anything right now

sick forum
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Yeah, fair enough

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Worth a shot in the morning though

lean hawk
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but is this a thing that can be tried "in place", directly on the failed drive?

sick forum
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ntfsfix and testdisk are your friends

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Yes.

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Yes it is.

weak mist
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aaay, another EST

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sick forum
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You'll want to use a live USB of something like Parted Magic

lean hawk
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i have an iso clone of (almost all of) it as a backup too

sick forum
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Linux differentiates between "mounted drives" and "plugged in drives"

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So any tool designed to work on a drive will not require a mount

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Most of them explicitly require it to be unmounted

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[lily@lilium ~] $ fsck /
fsck from util-linux 2.39.2
e2fsck 1.47.0 (5-Feb-2023)
/dev/nvme0n1p3 is mounted.



WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.


Do you really want to continue<n>? no
check aborted.
sick forum
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loop devices

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I've mounted a few drive images before

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losetup is your friend

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and mount -o loop

lean hawk
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it is 2TB

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  1. it is missing the partition info section, since ddrrescue failed to clone about 6GB at the beginning ofthe drive
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the same part that failed

sick forum
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$MFTMIRR

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NTFS stores a backup of the MFT

lean hawk
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if that exists then why did windows fail to read it

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saying E: was not accessible

sick forum
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because Windows is stupid

lean hawk
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hold on

sick forum
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it's possible MFTMIRR is corrupted, in which case you can try testdisk

lean hawk
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linux also failed to mount it

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i did try

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was one of the first things i tried

sick forum
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yes, Linux only looks for MFT

lean hawk
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oh

sick forum
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MFTMIRR isn't used for mounting

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it's a backup only

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in case the MFT gets corrupted

lean hawk
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so one of the things you mentioned above will manually copy it over?

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and then i can try and mount?

sick forum
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ntfsfix should yes

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if that fails, testdisk is another good try

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if all else fails, you can use photorec which bypasses the filesystem structure and looks for file magic numbers

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but it's a last-resort scenario

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even on an ext4 partition with every superblock corrupted, photorec will recover individual files - because it looks at the raw bytes directly

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try ntfsfix and then testdisk first though, in that order

lean hawk
sick forum
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ah

weak mist
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probs means nothing but... what is the brand of external harddrive you have

sick forum
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additionally, the error message mount gives would be helpful

weak mist
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I know what one your talking about, its the ones that connects to a USB

lean hawk
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but the problem with that is 2tB of files, much of it in uncommon formats, is going to be nearly unusable

sick forum
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this is true

lean hawk
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it will probably fail to parse anything niche and then I have ~2TB of unnamed data blobs

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all in one folder

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lean hawk
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it would be impossible to find anything

sick forum
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mount -o loop,ro

lean hawk
weak mist
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yeah

lean hawk
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a seagate expansion bought in dec 2019

sick forum
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oh god, seagates

lean hawk
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in person

sick forum
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I have had issues with them yeah

lean hawk
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it lasted almost 4 years of continuous uptime, which iam told is about what to expect for an external

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i apparently got really lucky with the old one lasting frmo ~2006 to 2019

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and even then the drive did not fail

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the USB mount did

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so i copied things off while it worked andthen retired it

sick forum
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Additionally DDRescue has ddru_ntfsfindbad on Linux

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This produces a log file

weak mist
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she said shes not a linux user lel

sick forum
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I know, I knoe

lean hawk
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is thta related

sick forum
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Please

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Yes, absolutely

lean hawk
sick forum
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Any log files are incredibly helpful for diagnosis

lean hawk
weak mist
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wow 587 bites

sick forum
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...this one, less so; it appears to just be block data

weak mist
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never seen that low of a number

lean hawk
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and failed/skipped sectors

sick forum
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gotta love tools giving either too little or too much

lean hawk
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it was a lot longer initially as it was patchier

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it is not a log meant for human reading

sick forum
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Section 'Locating the MFT and MFTMirr' is most useful

weak mist
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found it:

this is where it all started and how I got the Post Cool Stuff role

#255122566438453249 message

narrow hazelBOT
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shibva

[Quote ➤](#255122566438453249 message) a mod thats old yet playing a nice tune

may be off a bit but still

lean hawk
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if so will the fact the first section of the drive, ie the part where the NTFS and partition info normally is, is unusable, interfere with that?

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like will these tools just try to blindly copy the backup NTFS data to the expected (but not accessible) section and fail?

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ping me when you reply

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lean hawk
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alright then

sick forum
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though it's worth running ntfsfix and then if that fails testdisk first

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the output of fdisk -lu /dev/loop0 | grep -e Units -e Start -e loop0p2 is also useful for passing to ddru_ntfsfindbad which is where that log you mentioned yesterday comes into play

sick forum
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(losetup -Pr --show -f disk.img, assuming your image is called disk.img - mounts read-only)

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oh yes, I should probably mention all of these must be run as root

lean hawk
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you completely lost me

sick forum
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...fair enough

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Okay, it's probably worth asking if you have an already-created live USB to hand

lean hawk
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i did and i think i still do

sick forum
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that, or a rooted Android phone; failing that a random USB stick you don't mind formatting

lean hawk
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i still have the drive

sick forum
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oh good

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or gparted live

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but I think that's just for gparted

lean hawk
sick forum
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again, it depends on what distro is on it

lean hawk
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uh

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one moment

lean hawk
sick forum
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oh it has kubuntu on it?

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sick

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that's like the one non-Arch distro I know how to work well lmao

lean hawk
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desktop

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"debian" apparently

sick forum
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that is KDE Plasma, so I'm like 80% sure it's Kubuntu; though it could be riced debian

lean hawk
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oddly several file explorer windows to paths on E remained open and usable

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i even uploaded some files from it to discord

sick forum
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windows works in strange and mysterious ways

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ok "works" is a bit of an overstatement

weak mist
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wait did you actualy manage to help her recover some files

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if so-

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👏 👏 👏 Bravo

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someone otta give you a gold star

weak mist
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So what you did but streamlining it

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In fact that makes me wonder if this would have any ability to be used by OpenComputers; it could allow for some more advanced setups lel; like read/wright the midi storage or whatnot and it could play it from the OC

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At least, would be able to have some sort of “save state“ that’s easy to access and play on demand with a OC program

lean hawk
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weak mist
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I see

I have played a few different midis and I have noted some behaviors

but I must ask you to confrim my suspicions

Q: What "intruments" used in a midi work best with the crystal orchestra? I ask this because Ive noticed some of them mignt not be registred correctly

{Clarification: what preset itsriment works best?)

lean hawk
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that information is ignored by the crystal orchestra, as the orchestra uses its own audio file

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only the note events are read

sick forum
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note events?

narrow hazelBOT
lean hawk
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wtf

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why is reply doing that

narrow hazelBOT
lean hawk
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why is the bot replacing replies with that

sick forum
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channel links

narrow hazelBOT
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lilirine

[Quote ➤](#1181477511671054416 message) note events?

sick forum
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type, channel, velocity?

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or 'programme change'

lean hawk
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that is a voice

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the only events the orchestra reads are note on and off

sick forum
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ah

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lean hawk
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it is literally just parsing the midi as "play X note at this time"

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and then doing that ingame

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using the normal crystal sounds and tuning

sick forum
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yeah that's. what I mean. the crystal sounds

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is there a soundfont for that

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or how does it interpret it?

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how does it interpret which note to play on what crystal

lean hawk
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they are just sound effects

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no different than any other sound

lean hawk
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the same tuning used for all other crystal music, eg when you punch one

weak mist
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Is it multiple files of each crysysl in the orchestra or is it just one on the chromatic scale?

weak mist
lean hawk
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I do have a music engine to procedurally generate melodies for another puzzle but these ones are all prefab

lean hawk
weak mist
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Ok

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I wish you luck in your file recovery efforts; and hope that somewhere I can find v33c to get the newer one with the beizer crystal targeting fix

Thanks for making a interesting mod that’s full of visuals ^w^

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I get some people don’t wanna play with your mods but me, I put in the effort to make things work because of the concepts and visuals

And you know, I’m curious on how this will work when Angelia is released; at it will include some backported elements of Embedium, a fork of Rubidium; which in of itself is a forged fork of Sodium

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Not aware of specific details, but I do know that render mult- thread will be present

weak mist
# lean hawk another MIDI/real audio comparison if you want https://i.imgur.com/g4vXLAQ.png h...

@lean hawk what is the name of this program, im thinking about going about making some midi things but I want to make sure I familiarize myself with a good midi making program

I’ve seen one where it plays the tone of something as you shift it up and down and see that as a useful tool for what ima gonna try

So do you have any recommendations? If not, what are you using here? Thx in advance

weak mist
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Oh, and if you want, I might be able to try and help you with your stuff

It might not be perfect but I could try to recover some things; all I need is the compiled 33c file if it’s still around on your system

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If your curious on what I’m gonna try and do here it’s quite simple; the other day, I had a former friend now acquaintance lose some vital progress due that the workspace not being properly saved; though I was a beta tester, and I happen to have probably the last file that they were able to do before they had the backtrack on all that work. So I decided to go online and lucky me I found a program that contains 12.2 stable mappings; HOWEVER, it also contains stable mapping for 7.10.

If I can get my hands on CC v33c, I could attempt to decompile and de-obfuscate the mod to recover those files using the stable mappings

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It may not be perfect but at least you would have those files back to work off of

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I’d be willing to do this for you; it’s the least I can do considering this is in my list of favorite mods ^w^

lean hawk
weak mist
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Thanks

but on another note, I am serious.

I’ll be more than willing to take a crack at it

lean hawk
weak mist
# lean hawk at what

I can extract any of the compiled files and give them to you if you have Chromaticaraft 33c still; if its ok with you and your up for it; ill be willing to go though the process of decompiling and deobfuscating an existing 33c instance that broke to get you the files back

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ill even go the extra mile and deobfuscate them for ya

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its the least I can do for you as a fan ^w^

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this will give you the core files that were compiled when the mod was being built by your system

This way you would have those files back to recover whatever wor you may have lost when the drive failed

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idk how to do any of this drive recovery stuff, but this recovering of publshed builds is something I do know how to and get back; I feel its my way of helping you out, even if its only a fraction of what was on your drive

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so, it depends on one thing; do you still have the compiled build of 33c? if you do I can achive this

lean hawk
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the drive failure did not directly affect my MC workspace

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it is on a different drive

weak mist
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oh

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weak mist
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So I wanna share some of my old observations from the various midis ive use

Ive noticed a semi-consistent pattern when dealing with midis that work bad with the orchestra.

  • percussion appears to be a consistent issue, when you have it rapid it will pollute the output with the sound thats assoicated with the "centeral" button on the orchistra
  • Rapid pacing or lots of different notes played at one might cause some issues to arise; maybe skipping some????
  • Play Limitations: ive noticed that some of the audio when playing a midi compared to the orchestra appears to missing certain aspects of it; which is why I asked the other day about the "Range" or "limit" on what instruments the orchistra can register. I might have that midi still around if you are curious on this one 😜
lean hawk
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the orchestra is not a midi synthesizer

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as for range it has a maximum pitch range yes but it is quite rare for normal music to go outside that

weak mist
weak mist
lean hawk
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is it different now

weak mist
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eh?

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oh you refering to the alternate version

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can you elaborate what you mean?

lean hawk
weak mist
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ah