The Culty Vesperia Troubleshooting Center

[formal abyss]

Post all your Vesperia related questions here!(Abyss and Xillia related questions are also acceptable)

[balmy pewter]

Make Vesperia 2

[formal abyss]

Vesperia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[tiny cape]

What is Judith's last name?

[fathom brook]

I mean she does technically have one but it's never properly on her name and it's spoilers for an optional side quest-

[tiny cape]

Huhhhhhhhhhhh

You can tell it to me in DM ❤️

[ancient jewel]

When do I play it

[undone stirrup]

actually, a question: are Vespy spoilers allowed in this?

or do you need spoiler tags?

[ancient jewel]

Spoiler tags just in case

[formal abyss]

Probably a good idea

Pinging me is the best way to reach me(unless I'm at work or asleep), my sleep schedule is screwed up due to getting sick this week

[fathom brook]

Apologies for the late response but alright-

[glossy lynx]

Hi I just started my third attempt at playing this game, I'm in the tutorial dungeon and I'm really trying to get a grip on Manual Cancelling

I know it's used to cancel end lag early

I have a rough idea of what I'm supposed to do

how exactly do I want to time it

when is it useful? when should I not be a tryhard?

how do I tell I have successfully done it?

[glossy lynx]

holy shit I have 10x experience and the zagi fight jumped me up from level 8 to 12

ONE ARTE KILLED AN ENEMY

[ancient jewel]

10x experience

How

When

Why

[glossy lynx]

NG+

get it from grade shop

[ancient jewel]

Oh nice

[glossy lynx]

because this is my third fucking attempt at finishing this game and I don't give a shit about balance anymore lol

literally playing on auto mode

[ancient jewel]

Lol why so many attempts

[glossy lynx]

attempt 1

got a little over halfway through Act 1

dropped the game because it was difficult, didn't like the gameplay much and had other more exciting things to play

second attempt, I'd intentionally looked up spoilers to see if anything interesting happened. Interesting things happened. I got halfway through the total game

gave up for pretty much the same reason

but now I love this cast and the themes

I love the writing

so I'm trying again on PC where I can just get rid of a bunch of my problems with NG+

[ancient jewel]

I only had trouble with the wolf boss but nothing else..yet

Normal encounters end fast

and changed the voices to Japanese because the cast is full of actors I instantly recognize so it got distracting

[formal abyss]

When you lunge forward with a guard

[formal abyss]

Pretty much anytime you want to be faster with your movement, continuing combos, etc

[undone stirrup]

Gattuso? that one's an early boss asshole

[formal abyss]

The noob killer

[undone stirrup]

even on Normal that boss is mean

[glossy lynx]

try getting the secret mission

actual torture

unfairly difficult for being so early

btw it seems the only good Happiness skill is 3

does it stack?

like if I give multiple people it will it be better

not that I'm gonna equip it for much longer cause they're the lowest priority skills I have rn

[ancient jewel]

He was so fast, completely annihilated me

[undone stirrup]

interesting in what sense?

[glossy lynx]

spoilers for Vesperia

||Yuri fucking kills Ragou and Cumore||

||in secret, without the rest of his party knowing, until Flynn and Estelle catch him and have some of the best written dialogue I've ever seen||

[undone stirrup]

like no one paying attention to the story saw that coming several miles away

[glossy lynx]

way to be an asshole about it

I wasn't expecting the writing to be that good

[undone stirrup]

the story gets worse as the game goes on

[glossy lynx]

I wasn't expecting them to have actually interesting themes

[undone stirrup]

||they don't go anywhere actually interesting, they're just neat concepts||

you play Vesperia for the combat and nothing else

did you have any trouble with bosses?

any Gigantos problems?

oh, and if you're curious, no, you cannot get Estelle's initial blue dress she wore at the start of the game

[tiny cape]

||Such a painful loss... ||

[undone stirrup]

you have to hack it in

[thorny river]

He kill da bad man. Joker moment

[glossy lynx]

you can with mods

which I have

[glossy lynx]

yeah this

[undone stirrup]

i don't wtf happened to prompt more than 3 rewrites, but your journal tells you jack shit on where to go next or what to do if you dropped this for about a month. thankfully Cult can remind you if he's not busy

[ancient jewel]

But the story finally got good, 13 hours in

Just met the elf girl

[undone stirrup]

you mean it started to get interesting...near the end of Act 1

[ancient jewel]

The average Tales experience

[undone stirrup]

yup

in the case of Vesperia, no. narratively it stops being interesting after Act 1

[ancient jewel]

I guess I finished act 1

[ancient jewel]

Rip then

Bc I've no clue where this story is going

[undone stirrup]

you can see different directions it could've gone in, but if it did any of them, it didn't go far enough.

[ancient jewel]

Noted, guess my expectations were too high

[undone stirrup]

i wish that whatever direction it went in, it also included the combat too

[ancient jewel]

Karol leave my party plz

[undone stirrup]

as with other Tales/JRPG games, depending on what part of the story you're at, characters will drop out temporarily from time to time

[ancient jewel]

Yeah Raven, Rita and ara ara girl just left

But they'll return in 10 minutes probably

Because something will interrupt the peace or attack or something

[ancient jewel]

that actually happened

And now we formed a guild

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-lowell-yuri-vesperia-vesperia-yuri-tales-of-vesperia-gif-13277081

[formal abyss]

Aaaa sorry I've been so busy

[formal abyss]

Karol gets too much hate

[undone stirrup]

Karol needs a belt and some trimmed pants

also, at the age he's at, he's terrifying as a tank

if he's that strong at that age, imagine how monstrous he'd be once he hits 20

[formal abyss]

Stronger than Gaius

[undone stirrup]

stronger than Yuri and Flynn in terms of raw power

[ancient jewel]

At least Yuri made him the leader so at least he's useful now

He really is stronk

[undone stirrup]

and what does Karol do but mainly default to big bro Yuri as his lieutenant

[dim pilot]

That's cap, I loved the story the whole way through, I think it's a great one

The characters definitely bounce off of each other all the time and the world building is great

Also the plot is cool too

[undone stirrup]

i disagree with all of that. i don't want to launch into another rant about Vespy, this is Cult's help thread for people playing through the game and troubleshooting.

[dim pilot]

I mean don't rant, everything is all subjective anyway

Agree to disagree

[undone stirrup]

i've done several rants in here having played Vesperia twice.
was there anything you needed help with in Vespy?

[dim pilot]

Nah lol, I did a couple days ago tho

[glossy lynx]

fuck Manual Cancelling is so hard

analysing a video with a controller showing button inputs it looks like I don't want to try and press all 3 buttons simultaneously

rather, Free Run > Move Towards Target > Guard

that's how I get this

[ancient jewel]

Me who is using a keyboard:

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[glossy lynx]

I used to play Super Smash Flash 2 on keyboard

I was actually better on keyboard than controller to the horror of everyone I knew

[glossy lynx]

I'm literally 8 levels above the goliath and it's still kicking my shit in on Hard
this fucking thing has super armour of something
none of my regular attacks hit properly they just bounce him so I can't combo
I can only get multiple hits via artes like Shining Fang and Dragon Swarm
which in normal progression I shouldn't even be CLOSE to getting
ok I got him and burned through almost all of my TP restores
grade for damage taken is fucking 3.92
2.00 for Heal Items
looks like I'm not attempting Gattuso on Hard
even this overlevelled
you're only supposed to be like level 12
and I'm level 26
and struggled THAT HARD
fuck super armour on bosses it's just annoying and awful

[ancient jewel]

I just realized I had all my skills unequipped

I thought I was equipping them

Now I know why sidestep didn't work and why I was consuming tp while doing normal attacks

[glossy lynx]

god I hate the Gattuso secret mission so much

thank god it only took me 2 attempts to get it this time

but the fact that I'm literally almost level 30 on normal and this is what it takes for the fight to become fair is insane

[ancient jewel]

Yooo Vesperia got good

It only took 24 hours

[tiny cape]

Because ||Judith joined||?

[ancient jewel]

Bruh that was 10 hours ago

No bc ||Yuri killed Cumore, Belius ded, and Judith betrayed us even if I know she'll be back||

[tiny cape]

||Belius's death isn't something to be happy about...||

[ancient jewel]

||I didn't feel a thing||

Now...||Raven's death was sadge but then they went and somehow revived him!??!!??!?||

[formal abyss]

||LeBlanc and Co saved them||

[ancient jewel]

Who

[formal abyss]

The 3 knights

Tweedle A and Tweedle B

[ancient jewel]

Oh

[formal abyss]

Also WOW you're speedrunning this!

[ancient jewel]

They didn't say that yet

[formal abyss]

Jesus

[ancient jewel]

I think

[formal abyss]

They did... are you still on the cutscene?

[ancient jewel]

I started a week ago lol

[formal abyss]

Bruh

That's still fast

[ancient jewel]

I defeated Zagi and now need to go to the control room

[formal abyss]

OHHH

[ancient jewel]

Uhh maybe I wasn't paying attention

[formal abyss]

how's ||not having Estelle|| going?

Patty and Flynn can fill the role

[ancient jewel]

Great, and now that Flynn left there's no more first aid

Patty can heal?

[formal abyss]

Use Patty and Raven

BRUH

Risky Cast and Little Big Chef

[ancient jewel]

Raven too???

[formal abyss]

Raven has Love Shot

[ancient jewel]

I know Karol can heal with his big hammer

[formal abyss]

AND YURI TOO

[ancient jewel]

Oh I forgot about that

[ancient jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-dog-question-mark-gif-23128484

Pain

[formal abyss]

Just use Guardian Field

[ancient jewel]

I used cooking to heal after battles

[formal abyss]

Uhhhh

You do know Karol can use his healing move out of battle right

And it heals the whole party

[ancient jewel]

Thankfully the items I had sufficed

[ancient jewel]

Oh boi

[formal abyss]

Its literally the best way to outside heal

[ancient jewel]

I suffered for nothing

[formal abyss]

Even better than Estelle

NO GOOD

You have to suffer a bit

[ancient jewel]

And I didn't know how to disable 3 of the 5 barriers so I backtracked a lot

Didn't see the stair on the left of that area

[ancient jewel]

Probably too late to ask but

Do titles

Do something in this game?

[undone stirrup]

in Vespy? they can change your costume look and one of them is required for a specific arte

otherwise they're mostly for cosmetics

[glossy lynx]

They give everyone their best outfits

Everyone gets in school outfits except for Repede and Rita

[ancient jewel]

But 70% of titles give u the original outfits

[glossy lynx]

No...no they really don't

70% of titles give you costumes

[ancient jewel]

Luke costume where

[glossy lynx]

Only a few don't change the costume and they tend to be story progression unlocks, combo mastery and level ones

[ancient jewel]

The ones the main story gives you too?

[glossy lynx]

This

Those don't give you costumes generally but all the others do

[ancient jewel]

So 70% of my titles

[glossy lynx]

Which is most of them

It's literally free DLC

[ancient jewel]

Flynn only had 3 costumes

[glossy lynx]

Comes with the game

Go redeem them on the special item menu

[ancient jewel]

Yeah, I got those, Flynn had the Luke costume? I'll check if I redeemed it

[glossy lynx]

There's tons of them

[ancient jewel]

Yuri had Asch and Estelle Tear

Oh those special titles packs I ignored....

Okay thx, it seems I ignored those bonus titles

[glossy lynx]

Why did you ignore literally anything other than level ups

[formal abyss]

I fell asleep lol

[ancient jewel]

Because yes, I only took the costumes, accessories and some items

[undone stirrup]

Raven has Van's

[ancient jewel]

Yup he looks great

[hoary junco]

in tales of vesperia DE, who is least reliant on manual cancelling to get combos?
like i know that yuri can get massive combos even w/o manual cancelling with skills, but which character utilizes the cancel the least?

[royal lark]

Anyone who has a spell ig?

[chilly dome]

judith and karol I think

I heard karol can do infinite combos on semi-auto

and judith does jump canceling instead

(normally)

[ancient jewel]

I still have no clue how is manual cancel useful

[thorny river]

Instead of being super open to attack at the end of a combo, you are not and can potentially continue a combo. Its super useful in boss fights

Even if only used defensively its very useful and makes the early game combat less boring

[ancient jewel]

Oh so that's why after finishing a combo the enemy destroys me

||Alexei's fight was fun though||

[dim pilot]

So what's the use for jump canceling?

[formal abyss]

All of your artes refresh

You could infinitely just spam the same move in the air(Moonbeam)

[chilly dome]

isn't it limited to the # of midair jumps?

I remember having a limited number of jump cancels

I might be missing a skill but dunno which

[dim pilot]

bro how do I make Judith not stay in one place in the air

the enemy keeps moving forward when I hit it due to knock back but Judith just says in one place

[formal abyss]

Yes, but your jumps refresh the moment you touch the ground.

[chilly dome]

yeah, right

[chilly dome]

how are you attacking him?

very few of her artes are suitable to star a combo

and some enemies just doesn't want to be air-comboed

[dim pilot]

jumping then doing a variety of up-down-left-right combos

not artes, just basic attacks

and I sneak one arte in there ig too

[thorn depot]

@formal abyss vesperia mythbusting episode 1: if you let a sorceress use fire ball enough times will they start to shit out more per cast(?)

[formal abyss]

If your name is Rita, yes!

[thorn depot]

but the enemy

do they hve the same usage tracking

[undone stirrup]

enemies don't have artes usage, they just have whatever specific version of an arte they were assigned

[formal abyss]

I know some enemies shoot like 2-3 fireballs

[ancient jewel]

Wat

[formal abyss]

What

[ancient jewel]

Nvm I read it wrong

[chilly dome]

I mean, some artes like moonlight havoc, new moon blade just aren't made for that

but you can follow with things like dawn moon, moonbean (with a cancel while using a rod), luna talon if you are right above it

I find rather difficult doing 2 artes with the enemy on air

try crescent moon -> piercing moon -> thunder moon

or rising luna rondo instead o thunder moon (or maybe both!)

[formal abyss]

@chilly dome Theres one more thing you can do to start an aerial combo

oh sorry I meant to ping @dim pilot

Do two upward normal attacks

The second one will pop you and the enemy up into the air

[dim pilot]

there is a way to connect artes right? because I don't have that skill equipped just yet

I mean I have it, I'm just not using it

[chilly dome]

look for (aerial) high ability and (aerial) high ability plus too

[formal abyss]

@atomic salmon you can ask me on here

[atomic salmon]

https://youtu.be/mG0erOR9tgQ?t=76 " i just wanted to check on the lower quarter and come back. i didn't expect the extra baggage" what does he mean in that skit?

and thank you!

[formal abyss]

Video refuses to load for me. But iirc Yuri is talking about Estelle and how he thinks that she is a liability.

[atomic salmon]

"i just wanted to check on the lower quarter and come back." what does that suppose to mean?

[formal abyss]

Yuri wants to go see how everyone is doing in the lower quarter- the area of Zaphias where he lives.

[atomic salmon]

yeah but why "come back"?

come back to where all of the nobles are

[formal abyss]

To let them know that he's going to chase after the blastia thief

[atomic salmon]

i still don't get "come back"

maybe it's because of my english

[formal abyss]

This stupid video won't play...

[atomic salmon]

wait

[atomic salmon]

https://youtu.be/mG0erOR9tgQ?t=76 maybe now?

[formal abyss]

Ehhhh

Don't worry about it

Im pretty sure he's not talking about "coming back" to the noble quarter

[atomic salmon]

Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition ★ ALL SKITS 【Chapters 1-3 / Battle / Chat / Cooking Skits】1:16 it's at this minute, at the start of this video, can you check it out for me?

[formal abyss]

I had to open it in a different browser

I just saw it

Its weird wording

[atomic salmon]

Yeah, so you don't understand what that means either

[atomic salmon]

?

[formal abyss]

I wouldn't worry about it

The way he says it is worded very odd

[atomic salmon]

well, thank you very much friend!

[formal abyss]

Yup yup

[dim pilot]

What does linking jump and ground attacks mean? Is linking just being able to use one type of arte after another type of arte?

[ancient jewel]

Group attacks? What's that

[dim pilot]

oh I meant ground

oops probably just autocorrect

[chilly dome]

I guess it's about finalizing a chain by doing an arte to go to ground?

[atomic salmon]

https://youtu.be/D_mB-4LU2Hg?t=609 so i don't get it, the blastia core was the thing that made water by magic no? so what hanks says after is that he wants it to "budge" like that there will be water, but first thing they tried to block the water from squirt all over the place, and then yuri asked if there enough water for now, sooo im a little bit confused @formal abyss

also they said that the blastia is the thing that made this "barriers" around the cities

[ancient jewel]

Yeah blastia somehow created energy needed for different stuff like giant barriers

But I could bbe 100% wrong bc I never found a book exolaining what a blastia is

[atomic salmon]

1. i don't get why it was suddenly squirting all over the place after it has been removed by that thief? and after that it's been quiet and there was no water which squirted all over the place. 2. does the blastia core cam create water to the citizens? 3.is it also creating a barrier? 4. can someone explain and to broaden about what's happening? thanks

[atomic salmon]

@formal abyss if you have the time, i will appreciate your help friend

[ancient jewel]

From my understanding the water blastia is different from the one that creates barriers

I think that there are 3 different types of blastia...maybe

Not 100% sure

[formal abyss]

I'm pretty sure that the Aque Blastia is purifying the water

Not sure why the fountain would go crazy without it

But when you come back the fountain is completely stopped

Later on in the story they describe the different types of blastia

I'd show you all the different types of them but there are some spoilers...

[chilly dome]

Yeah don't worry about it, you'll be getting a better feeling about blastia the more you advance in the plot

[thorny river]

Blastia'azz

[atomic salmon]

thanks!!

[atomic salmon]

purifying? but in here: https://youtu.be/D_mB-4LU2Hg?t=616 "is there enough water for the time being" "yeah but it won't last long, after that we will just get it from the river" so as you can see, it seems that it doesn't purify but rather create water from nowhere?

[atomic salmon]

@formal abyss

[formal abyss]

Hmm

Im pretty sure its purifying the water but

[atomic salmon]

but look here: https://youtu.be/D_mB-4LU2Hg?t=616 "is there enough water for the time being" "yeah but it won't last long, after that we will just get it from the river" so as you can see, even though the water is looking really bad and disgusting, they can drink from it, it seems that it doesn't purify but rather create water from nowhere?

[formal abyss]

I couldn't find anything that says it creates water from out of nowhere.

I still think that the fountain is taking the surrounding water and purifying it.

[ancient jewel]

I think there was a river so...maybe that's true

[formal abyss]

There is, next to the lower quarter exit.

[ancient jewel]

Yeah, Dahngrest too

Or I'm confused bc of the world map

[compact shoal]

How would you set up an Unknown playthrough on NG+ to be balanced enough to not kill a man but also not to overwhelm the challenge with sheer audacity?

[undone stirrup]

no exp modifiers for one

no carried over levels and equipment?

[formal abyss]

A single 10x exp MIGHT be able to do it? I'm not sure...

Inheriting items is VERY overpowered because it inherits every item except most key items so that's out of the question

And since you can't sell certain weapons like Vesperia No. 2

[undone stirrup]

would you keep levels at all? i wouldn't

[formal abyss]

No levels.

[undone stirrup]

yes on expanded consumable limits

[formal abyss]

Inherit 1 SP Cost, for sure

[undone stirrup]

oh definitely

keep your artes and artes usage

[formal abyss]

Artes will also inherit usage too which boosts power

[undone stirrup]

mm

[formal abyss]

Your milage will vary depending on how much you've used them

[undone stirrup]

for sanity's sake, inherit the bestiary

just so you don't die throwing Magic Lenses at enemies and bosses you missed earlier while playing Unknown

[formal abyss]

@compact shoal
Here's what I recommend you ABSOLUTELY inherit

Max Items 99
Titles
Gald
Collector's Book
Enemy Book
Recipes
Cooking Skill
World Map
Increase Max HP
Increase Max TP
2x Gald
Increase Over Limit
10x Experience
Skill SP 1
Increase Item Drop Rate
Unlock Battle Rank
Unlock All Skits

And I recommend inheriting Skills but you could get away without it

You'll get the Altered Artes right away

[formal abyss]

Make sure you have the cameo costumes so you can get the cameo artes right away

[compact shoal]

thanks, I will consult that with my coop guy

main issue we ran into when trying the first time was the first guards on Unknown taking five years to kill

[formal abyss]

Guards are weak to magic attack

Use that to your advantage

[thorn depot]

game isnt fun without sp 1

[undone stirrup]

party AI sucks

[compact shoal]

our most cost effective arte for that seems to be final gale at 30 tp

[formal abyss]

Lol what? Did you inherit items?

[compact shoal]

no

[formal abyss]

Spirit 1/2/3?

[compact shoal]

yes

ultiamtely the first fights with guards were dispatched with azure edge mostly

[formal abyss]

You need OVL Taunt 2 asap

[formal bison]

When do i unlock mystic artes? Seriously, I'm 20 hours into the game already and nothing yet

[formal abyss]

Where exactly are you in the game right now?

[formal bison]

After Cumore escape on that one visit in Haaland.

[formal abyss]

You're not even close.

You got a couple dungeons before you get there

[formal bison]

Oh damn

[formal abyss]

AND they are not all unlocked at once. Specific characters unlock theirs first.

For example, Karol gets his first.

Way before everyone else

[formal bison]

Welp. Is it possible to chain basic artes anytime soon?

[formal abyss]

You can chain base into arcane by default but it is a case by case basis per character.

They all unlock their ability to do so at different speeds

[formal bison]

Alright

Thanks

[formal abyss]

All you can do at the moment is manual cancel

[formal bison]

How do i do burst artes again?

Never used them again after the tutorial and i kind of forgot.

[royal lark]

While in overlimit, hold the artes button during an arcane ou altered arte

[formal bison]

alr tysm

[royal lark]

Stuff like the AoE of Yuri's Divine Wolf Flood increases based on your overlimit level too

And I think they also deal higher damage based on that

[formal abyss]

^

[compact shoal]

Is there any sort of combo theory to Rita or is it most efficient to use her for Overlimit TP dumping with your favourite spell spam?

[formal abyss]

Its mostly just mix and match haha

[compact shoal]

Figures

I'm doing some brainless Splash levelling while doing Necropolis of Nostalgia

only 2951 uses to go poggers

[compact shoal]

Rita kind of falls off damage wise compared to every other character, no?

[formal abyss]

She does? Or is it cause of the enemies you're fighting?

[compact shoal]

I mean it's not about hitting resistances

but it feels like she mostly excels in braindead grade farming with OVL tidal wave spam

but like it feels like every other party member has more raw damage potential

and with no caster woes

like endlag after casting

[formal abyss]

I think Rita is "weakest" by the time you hit the 2nd EX dungeon

But she's still great

[formal bison]

So many hours into the game already and no tiger blade for Yuri...

where is that, man?

[undone stirrup]

Dark Enforcer sidequest, where the triggers for it per step are missable!

hopefully you started the first part allll the way back at Capua Torim after meeting Patty at Capua Nor

[formal bison]

Uh oh

[undone stirrup]

afterwards, once you're back at Zaphias, you needed to go to the Noble Quarters, talk to Sher, double back to the earlier area and talk to Lune on a bench

[formal bison]

it'll take so long to go back to zaphias...

will you return to it any point in the story?

[undone stirrup]

yeah

problem is, Vesperia isn't immune to having strict cut off points for sidequests

[formal bison]

Aw man...

[undone stirrup]

Dark Enforcer sidequest is just strict on timing

[formal abyss]

I heard that you MIGHT still be able to get Tiger Blade but unable to to the sidequests past that point though

Even if you missed the others

[formal bison]

Oh well.

Guess i'm doomed

Hope i can get it on NG+ though

[formal abyss]

You get Tiger Blade AND another arte for the sidequest

[formal bison]

What's that?

[formal abyss]

Shining Eagle

[formal bison]

Oh, i have been wondering how to get that one as well

[formal abyss]

How far are you

[formal bison]

Just defeated belius, got back to dahngrest, now gotta find capo

Sorry for responding this late.

[formal abyss]

Ah, okie

Yeah thats pretty far away.

[formal bison]

Pretty far away from the quest? or still far to reach the quest?

[formal abyss]

You'd have to go back to Zaphias.

You can NOW, but

Hmm.

[formal bison]

It would take ages to reach Zaphias...

[formal abyss]

No you can go there now.

You got the boatg

[undone stirrup]

just hoof it back man

[formal bison]

Can't believe I'm doing this just because of some artes...

Well it's going to be pretty much worth it anyways if i plan to main Yuri

[formal abyss]

Tiger blade is pretty damn cool

[formal bison]

Sure, I'll trust you

[formal abyss]

@formal bison did you get it?

[formal bison]

Nope, i can't trigger the cutscene in torim

I guess i'll get tiger blade only on ng+

[formal abyss]

No no

Go to Zaphias

Skip the torim part

[formal bison]

already did, nothing happened

[formal abyss]

Did you see the lady at the bench?

[formal bison]

no one was there

[formal abyss]

Hold on

[formal bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-nAk0Jnejk&t=79s

[formal abyss]

Right my bad!

Go to the noble quarter and talk to everyone there

[formal bison]

Alr, i'll do it later

[formal abyss]

I heard you can still do the Zaphias part even if you missed the part at the inn

[formal bison]

Gootta charge my NS before i can even play vesperia.

[formal bison]

Really?

I was worried about that part because i LITERRALY can't get the cutscene at the inn.

[formal abyss]

Yeah. There was one person who confirmed to me that was the case

[formal bison]

But i didn't thought in talking to everyone in noble quarter, i hope i can still get it

And maybe shining eagle too

[formal abyss]

Yea try it as soon as you can

[formal bison]

Alright

[formal abyss]

What platform do you play on

[formal bison]

.

[formal abyss]

I could give you one of my save files but I don't know how to transfer it.

[formal bison]

Nah, please don't do that, i wanna play everything on my own.

[formal bison]

@formal abyss Alright, heading to Zaphias now

[formal abyss]

Cool

[formal bison]

Wait, you play vesperia on the switch too?

[formal abyss]

I play on pc but I have the switch and ps4 version too

[formal bison]

Ah got it

[formal bison]

Done, finally got tiger blade!

It was worth it.

[formal abyss]

So they were right!

[formal abyss]

Try getting Shining Eagle too

[formal bison]

I have no idea how to get it

[formal abyss]

First time at Nordopolica

Sleep at the inn

[undone stirrup]

you might need to sleep at the inn a few times if there's multiple cutscenes queued for that part of the game

[formal bison]

I think i have to return to nordopolica now anyways...

[formal abyss]

I forgot to mention

Tiger Blade hits enemies when when they're knocked down

[formal bison]

crushing eagle does that too

[formal abyss]

That one stands them up.

[royal lark]

Well it knocks them down when enemies are in the air ig

[compact shoal]

What was the name of the pro Estelle player?

[formal abyss]

MiracleChao?

[compact shoal]

Yes, thank you!

have to steal some entry level meleestelle combos

[formal bison]

So far i can only chain basic artes into altered artes..

[formal abyss]

You'll eventually get Base -> Altered -> Arcane

This is for everyone

But Yuri eventually gets 2x Base, 2x Altered, and 2x Arcane in any order

[formal bison]

Nice

[formal abyss]

And only Yuri. Flynn DOES get Base -> Base -> Altered -> Altered -> Arcane -> Arcane but it must follow this chain.

[formal bison]

the yuri combos are going to be crazy

can't wait to get shining fang drop

[formal abyss]

I hate that only Yuri gets it

I had to use Cheat Engine to give everyone else the ability plus/super chain skills

[formal bison]

well, nothing is perfect

even our favorite games

[formal abyss]

If you were playing on steam I could give you a save file that has them

[formal bison]

Maybe I'll buy it on steam some day

[formal bison]

Azure Edge is that good for combos.

[formal abyss]

@rich atlas @vivid hazel I also got this little forum post for any Vespy questions you'd like to ask me

[rich atlas]

oh nice! hi hi hi hi hi hi! would anyone like to do a play through with me on pc?! 🥰

[vivid hazel]

oh cool nice thx

not a question but i love how the game calls me out for overusing artes

[formal abyss]

"Aren't you going a little overboard with the artes?"
"If you like something, you'll get good at it!"

[vivid hazel]

"guess you like that one"

[formal abyss]

"I like that arte, but I'm terrible at it."

[vivid hazel]

hey i cant find the white haired dude at deidan hold, i havent completed nor harbor yet, did i miss him

@formal abyss

[formal abyss]

Oopsies

You did but its just a small cutscene

No items there

[vivid hazel]

oh one more question, is the useless item from patty the guide mentions the cast-off Doll?

@formal abyss

[formal abyss]

Yes

Btw now is your LAST chance to go back to Aspio and start the Brionac quest

[vivid hazel]

yeah i already did the other things, and i think i did the travalers inn thing with Karol as well cause i remember using it with him in party and i think something triggered (the thing where the guy at the inn talks about his past a little), was that the King of Adventure part two thing?
this is the last question for now cause thats the last thing left i would need to tick off for backtracking

[formal abyss]

Yeah that's the one

If you've done everything on the list you're good to go

[vivid hazel]

I need to know, is this game gonna make me cry like a bitch

[formal abyss]

Possibly

[compact shoal]

In terms of mood, this game has really brilliant highs and really cataclysmic lows

So, maybe!

[formal abyss]

@vivid hazel Gattuso was just the noob killer. Imo there are harder bosses in this game

[vivid hazel]

im talking about from emotional beat

like how the entirety of the prologue of kh2 makes me cry like a bitch

[ancient jewel]

Eeeeeeeeehhh

Maybe...maybe yes...or not

[formal abyss]

@vivid hazel Where you in Vespy atm

[vivid hazel]

heading to Keiv Moc

[formal abyss]

I'll be incredibly impressed if you beat the optional fight here

[vivid hazel]

is that a challenge

[formal abyss]

Perhaps

[vivid hazel]

haha holy bottle go brrrr i got the loot, im still gonna fight the thing though

[vivid hazel]

never mind i immediately see what you mean

[formal abyss]

Not Green Menace btw

[brisk nebula]

why is cult so cool

[formal abyss]

Woh

[brisk nebula]

What are your thoughts on Symphonia

[formal abyss]

Not really that good imo.

Its the normie game of the tales series

[formal bison]

I am here again in this cold night of winter asking if it's worth it doing a Ng+ run on vespy

[formal abyss]

I'd say so but Im obviously biased in that regard LOL

[formal bison]

Oh man...

[vivid hazel]

maybe i should get some sleep i just questioned if estelle fits into the white mage catagory of JRPG party members

despite the fact she fits it so well she feels like she the template

[undone stirrup]

she's more a hybrid healer/fighter

[formal bison]

She's slow.

But she got great combos

[undone stirrup]

did i get a deleted ping here?

[formal abyss]

Hmm?

Not sure...

[formal bison]

I got one as well.

[tiny cape]

She has pico hammer, that makes her a white mage

Which means that in Tales of Innocence Hermana is the white mage

[formal abyss]

You're right

[formal abyss]

You're wrong

[tiny cape]

Why

[formal abyss]

Patty is the White Mage

[tiny cape]

I don't like relying on random chance for heals

I also didn't use Patty in the final battle

I think I used Yuri Estelle Judith Flynn

[formal abyss]

It feels like it's guaranteed to go off of you're lower on hp

[brisk nebula]

@formal abyss u up

if so you can help this dude with vesperia stuff

https://www.twitch.tv/shipdontdie

wanted to get better at battling and i dont think i helped

[formal abyss]

Ah sorry I was asleep

[brisk nebula]

I should have been asleep

[brisk nebula]

@formal abyss if I wanna do an unknown run, what ng+ stuff should I get without making it too easy

I don’t want a super hard run cause I want to experience the story again but I wanna do battles and stuff sometimes

[formal abyss]

10 exp for sure

[brisk nebula]

Really

[formal abyss]

Yup

[brisk nebula]

Is that all lol

Wb gald or items

Or ovl

[formal abyss]

Hold on

[undone stirrup]

well, yeah, you can carry that shit over too

why not?

[formal abyss]

99 items bag, 2x Gald, Artes, Skills, Titles, Collector's Book, Recipes, 10x Exp, 1 SP Cost, Unlock All Skits, Unlock Unknown Mode, increase over limit gauge

Wait lemme edit that

There

Inherit this

[brisk nebula]

Oops I did items too lol

And gald

[formal abyss]

Thats fine

[brisk nebula]

Well I have my blazor edge abyssion so

[undone stirrup]

i mean, sure, farm kills on the Devil Arms, but Unknown is still a threat even at level 200

[brisk nebula]

Even if my abyssion is at 5500 attack lol

https://twitter.com/ashtoric/status/1638059749601099776?s=46&t=GAeOgATfhN3w4bC3oy3C3A

Ashtoric (@Ashtoric)

#PS5Share, #TalesofVesperiaDefinitiveEdition

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Well

@formal abyss

[formal abyss]

LOL

Also im getting sleepy so I might fall asleep now

[undone stirrup]

hehehe

[brisk nebula]

I’ll use the best non-fell arm weapon

[undone stirrup]

do note that enemies will be hitting you for a lot of extra damage

[brisk nebula]

I just put on my best armor lol

Damn I actually lost to zagi LOL

Abyssion one shots him lmao

What is this balance

[undone stirrup]

what balance?

[formal abyss]

Unknown was never balanced properly

[brisk nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tales/comments/121j8v0/aight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

This is hilarious

[formal abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrczsIXTVk0&ab_channel=Miraclechao @brisk nebula

I make a cameo in there somewhere

[brisk nebula]

Is it a bug or what it’s supposed to do

[formal abyss]

That's what it's supposed to do, hence the name Infinity Beak

[formal abyss]

A normal fight wouldn't have that much defense and you'd also be interrupting him out of it

[agile swallow]

@formal abyss Do you happen to have all save locations in a spreadsheet?

[formal abyss]

Shoot, its been awhile since I had one. I'll have to find it

[agile swallow]

I found it

[formal abyss]

What are you supposed to open this with?

[agile swallow]

excel

or you can import to google sheets

[formal abyss]

Okay yeah this looks pretty good

[spice wasp]

O awesome a chat where i can discuss xillia!
Um, so i was playig recently but dropped it cuz the battles were getting curb stompy and getting annoying to deal with.
Like after every cutscened battle i would have to go check my flower crystal and level that up for everyone and i dont want to have to remember that every time.
Also playing as everyone but uhh freaking uhh...nurse guy? Jude Is really slow.

[formal abyss]

For Xillia 1?

[brisk nebula]

poor soul is playing xillia 1

[raven bear]

I'll post in both. But could someone tell me what the "Usage" stat is using exactly vs the "TP consumption" that uses Tp?

For Vesperia*

[undone stirrup]

how many times you've used this arte
TP consumption is how much it costs to perform it

[raven bear]

Oh thank you btw

[spice wasp]

@brisk nebula @formal abyss sorry late ( p′︵‵。) ya xillia 1

[wary radish]

I’m sure Bamco will release an audio fix any day soon for Vesperia 😚

[formal abyss]

[vivid hazel]

so uh, when the non spoiler missables log says after getting the ship, does it mean after it officially belongs to the party, cause i just got access to it and im trying to do the king of adventure p2 trigger and its not working

i know i did do the part 1 trigger

oh i might just be fine, i think im overthinking it

i'll go try killing a giganto but save beforehand to see

[modern widget]

I just hold all 3 buttons until it cancels after I hit an attack button, don't have to worry about timing as much that way. As a progression just cancel into a free run first

[formal abyss]

@warm dock So I created this thread for any Vespy related questions and you're free to use it

Im a bit busier these days but I'll usually reply back rather quickly

[warm dock]

which dlc pack is for switching characters early game?

[undone stirrup]

in party order or for those on the bench?

because you get that very item early in vespy

are you talking about S Flag (changes who is the character avatar you control outside of battle on the overworld) or Moon Selector (changes who you control in battle)?

you can synthesize the S Flag on your first visit to Halure. Moon Selector you can synthesize right before your first visit to Nordopolica.

@warm dock that answer your question?

[warm dock]

i have definitive edition . can i get s flag from the dlc?

oh nvm i got it

[undone stirrup]

you can get the S flag regardless within an hour of normal play

[warm dock]

if i use the crafting dlc early game will it ruin my experience

[undone stirrup]

then don't activate it

iirc i didn't activate any of my costume DLCs until everyone had joined the party

[formal abyss]

Pack o useful stuff, yea

[warm dock]

@formal abyss once you get a weapon with a new weapon skill, can you then use it on any weapon?

[undone stirrup]

you have to master it first?

[warm dock]

ok thx

[formal abyss]

Once you've mastered it you can use that skill without having the weapon equipped, and you no longer have to use that weapon on that character anymore

But because of how you learn skills, DO NOT SELL YOUR WEAPONS IN THIS GAME @warm dock

[warm dock]

ok

[undone stirrup]

those same old weapons are needed for synthesizing new ones too

[vale egret]

A Vesperia forum!
Nice!
haha

Been a few years, since I finished the game and I tend to forget easily, but if I remember some things, regarding the questions, I'll try to help, as well.

[formal abyss]

As long as you don't start telling people good morning/good night in here

[vale egret]

Oh I won't.
I'm only doing that on one channel.
No need to do that here, too.
haha

[brisk nebula]

🪦

[formal abyss]

I decide if this channel is dead or not

[ancient jewel]

https://youtu.be/QpSZL7FVod0?si=2Z_KigWH8ZUJ00mf

[desert dragon]

does anyone know any good resources properly explaining Vesperia Overlimit, combos, skills, items and artes systems cuz the ingame tutorial is not helping the slightest bit in any way. i genuinely understand none of the mechanics

yes i already read the battle book and it explains nothing

[undone stirrup]

you've played tales games before? or only berseria?

[desert dragon]

berseria, and zestiria i played through fully.
i played a tiny bit of symphonia, but didn't get far before i decided to quit and play vesperia first

[undone stirrup]

vespy is a lot closer to how more traditional tales games operated, using tech points, activated artes of your choosing, and manual control (thank god)

like bersy and zesty you're running on semi auto or manual (depends on the game) and you chain artes you've learned into combos. in the case of vespy, using an arte long enough can sometimes unlock newer more advanced artes while also upgrading that specific arte. for example, using rita's fireball enough times can upgrade it to two and three shot at a time

you're no longer bound to 4 arte strings, you can do 3-4 basics->2 altered-> fatal strike as a finisher for example

i shouldn't need to explain items since you can always access them (barring story bits) to throw magic lenses at enemies to learn their info, gels or life bottles at your party to help them during a tight spot

OVL or overlimit in vesperia is a single gauge that's shared by everyone to drop mystic artes (MA) on bosses and enemies as a big finisher

[desert dragon]

the battle book doesn't even say what the point of combos is. like yeah okay i can chain things maybe idk, but what does it do exactly? doesn't say.

[undone stirrup]

like in bersy and zesty you're essentially doing an attack combo

[desert dragon]

yeah but big number combo only becomes relevent when you mystic arte.

otherwise big number is just a number

[undone stirrup]

equipping skills you've learned through using weapons and sub-weapons help with unlocking more artes

[desert dragon]

i don't even know how i

how i'm supposed to mystic arte

[undone stirrup]

your OVL has to be at level 2 or 3 or higher, hold your attack button while performing a burst/arcane/altered arte.

you also need to know the Special skill

i'm not joking, that's the name of the skill

sorry, been a really long time since i lasta played

[desert dragon]

i don't even have level 3 OVL so idk how this is supposed to work

[undone stirrup]

there was a tutorial on basic combat super early against boccos and adecor

[undone stirrup]

you're fine, don't sweat it

[desert dragon]

i max out at 2

and any time i tried to google any of the skills or abilities instead of explaining the mechanics and how it's used it's always just word for word copy paste description from ingame

[undone stirrup]

i thought the basic combat tutorial would've helped with understanding how the game works...

it forces you to learn movement, attacking, a basic combo at least

by the time you get to halure you should have a decent understanding of how combat flows

[formal abyss]

Hey you found my thread

[undone stirrup]

hi cult

[formal abyss]

Heya Fox

I'm free for 25 mins

[undone stirrup]

do you need a combat video to walk you through things?

[formal abyss]

Also what point are you at in the game

[desert dragon]

i'm severely struggling to beat ||Schwann||. i just find the mechanics turbo unintuitive i can't remember all the different arte types and what arte is what category

[formal abyss]

Oh.

You're a ways in...

[undone stirrup]

hmm

[formal abyss]

Did you put down the game for awhile or something?

[undone stirrup]

they're coming in from bersy and zesty

they touched on symphonia a little before jumping into vespy

[formal abyss]

So you have access to a lot of stuff at this point in the game but you are missing ||Estelle||

[desert dragon]

nope. just picked it back up. i originally dropped the game cuz i initially couldn't beat ||gattuso|| now i picked it back up and played to this point in like a little over a week

[formal abyss]

That's a long ways to get into the game for this to happen.

Did you ever get many of the Altered Artes?

The artes with the yellow star

Also there is a very specific Yuri combo you can do to help at this point, assuming you got the correct skills

[desert dragon]

i mean that would just be a bandaid, and afterwards i still don't know how the mechanics work.

[formal abyss]

So to start off, you just wanna know how to do basic combos again?

[desert dragon]

i guess i'll have to keep on going on cheesing my way through while ignoring half the intended game mechanics

[undone stirrup]

or just practice in normal fights

[desert dragon]

spells just straightup don't combo together for me even if i time them what appears to be right.

[undone stirrup]

spells don't normally chain together even in older tales games.

they can contribute to a combo

[formal abyss]

There IS a way to chain them even without overlimit though...

[undone stirrup]

chain casting is not common

chaining MAs is even rarer

[formal abyss]

You might have access to this at this point

[desert dragon]

i mean attacks and artes.

i try this exact thing and it doesn't work

[formal abyss]

Oh

What artes did you try to combo together?

[desert dragon]

the most recent attempt was basic attack -into-> cerberus strike(base arte) -into-> dragon swarm (arcane arte)

[formal abyss]

Hmm. That should be working.

Most artes you have to wait for the entire thing to play out before you can chain into the next one, though there are exceptions.

[undone stirrup]

i don't like that manual cancel is a thing to reach that higher skill ceiling

waiting for yuri to stop fucking flipping his sword/axe at the end of a combo is stupid

[formal abyss]

I know

[desert dragon]

i didn't plan for people to actually take time out of their day and try and personally help.
All i was originally hoping for was to maybe to get a few links to good guides that have previously helped others figure things out.

i mean i am very thankful for the help don't get me wrong but now i feel kinda bad cuz eventhough you tried so hard to help me with my problem and yet i don't think i understand this any more than i did before.

[undone stirrup]

i ask again, do you need a visual aid or something to better understand the mechanics?

[formal abyss]

I've had a similar situation before with someone else. Don't feel bad, this is what I made this thread for.

I'm free all night now. If you still would like me help, lemme know.

[desert dragon]

i was sleeping cuz EU timezone

[undone stirrup]

damn

[formal abyss]

Ah okay

[desert dragon]

i still don't get the combat mechanics. nothing i do chains together. best i can do is basic attack 3 times + base arte.
is the input window really that tight?

oops you had exactly 0.0002 seconds to make that input, oops you're too late.

then again i still don't know if i'm just too late or too early for the input or if the input is invalid combo material

am i missing any obvious unambiguous indicator when exactly i need to make the input ?

[formal abyss]

No, not really. But if it helps you can always buffer it

Base Artes into Arcane requires no extra character skills to perform

Start with buffering the inputs until you get the hang of it.

[desert dragon]

yuri just won't do it

[formal abyss]

... There's something missing here. How did you get halfway into act 2 and you're having this trouble?

You just... do it. Do you have some ungodly amount of input lag or something?

Make doubly sure that your arcane arte is even set up, let alone if you're hitting the correct inputs.

Change the arte shortcuts around if need be.

[desert dragon]

so far i have made do with attack attack attack + Arte

precisely cuz i don't understand how the rest works and can't find a guide that explains it.

what else am i supposed to do? just quit?

[formal abyss]

There's something wrong on a fundamental level.

I'm a bit busy atm but I'll get back to you in a little bit.

[desert dragon]

that's fine. you don't owe me a response.

[formal abyss]

Does this help? @desert dragon

I did this on steam deck so you can see the game and my hand movements.

Azure Edge was on neutral Arte button, while Dragon Swarm was on Forward + Arte button.

This is without me buffering though.

And here's me just buffering the hell out of my button presses, doing a random assortment of moves while in overlimit.

My phone can't make up its mind on whether to have the damn video upside down or rightside up.

[undone stirrup]

they equipped skills to allow arte chaining for different types right?

like an altered into an arcane or something

[formal abyss]

Yes, but Base into Arcane doesn't need a skill equipped unlike the others, which leads me to believe there's a fundamental problem going on.

[undone stirrup]

yeah something's not right

[formal abyss]

Base --> Altered
Altered --> Base
Arcane --> Base
Altered --> Arcane
Arcane --> Altered

These are the five Super Chain skills.

If you're still having issues, I recommend we troubleshoot this in VC.

[undone stirrup]

if they're on PC or something, they can stream it themselves. unless they're on console, i forget

[formal abyss]

I do got this device that lets you send Nintendo Switch display and sound through my pc and able to screen share it but I doubt Exter has that

[desert dragon]

the only skills of that list that i have access too rn are superchain and superchain 4

i still feel the time window where my input is accepted is impossibly narrow.
like doing the
"normal attack->base arte-> arcane arte" is incredibly inconsistent.
maybe it's a skill issue but
i suspect i'm doing something wrong on a fundamental level.
idk what the actual code of the game wants me to do for inputs
like does it want me to press direction+A in perfect sync? does it expect A button and then indicate direction with a 10th of a second delay? Or indicate direction first and then press A with a 10th of a second delay after?
it doesn't seem like theres any buffer whatsoever.
with the initial arte input there doesn't seem to be any issue, just following it up with any other arte is broken like i'm missing the input window/ supposed buffer (that doesn't seem to exist.)

i usually try to simultaneously press the stick direction and the A button for artes.
which seems to work sometimes and not work other times.
once again feels inconsistent. i don't think it's a controller issue cuz i don't have issues with it anywere else.

[formal abyss]

What Im trying to understand is why youre not having issues with normal attack --> Base arte. Why is that not a problem, but Base --> Arcane is?

Please check to see if you even have your arcane artes set correctly in your shortcuts.

[desert dragon]

it just makes no sense to me. like i have super chain active i should be able to follow up dragon swarm with azure edge. but i can't. even when i spam neutral A (which is set to azure edge) for the entire duration of the dragon swarm animation and it doesn't take the input.

[compact shoal]

are you doing normal attacks -> azure edge -> dragon swarm -> azure edge?

[desert dragon]

no, i know i can't use the same arte twice (unless maybe with some skill i prolly don't have)

that's another one of those unwritten rules the game never tells you that i only learned from a random forum post

[formal abyss]

You can't use the same arte twice back to back, but you can use another base arte with Ability Plus skill. Of course, all this is thrown out when you're in overlimit.

Speaking of which, I want you to test this while in overlimit.

Try doing the same combo but while overlimit is active.

[formal abyss]

Is this an eyesight issue? You have to hit FORWARD for Dragon Swarm, not Neutral.

The UI elements are kinda small here.

[desert dragon]

i am already in dragon swarm and then wanna follow that up with the neutral move

[formal abyss]

You can't do Azure Edge --> Dragon Swarm --> Azure Edge without Ability Plus.

[desert dragon]

you're the one who said azure edge to start the combo
i wanted to: attack attack dragon swarm azure edge

[formal abyss]

Okay. So you do have Super Chain 1

[desert dragon]

yeah i posted the proof

[formal abyss]

So yes, try Dragon Swarm --> Azure Edge. IS that working?

[desert dragon]

doesnt work. no matter if i spam A rapidly or try and hold a continuously

i can't hit whatever input window the game expects me to do my input and there's no indicator when exactly i must cast my arte to continue the combo

[formal abyss]

🤔

Does dragon swarm work standalone?

[desert dragon]

all by itself it works.
attack attack dragon swarm works.

but i can't test anything now cuz i'm out of my home away from pc

[formal abyss]

Okay you're playing on pc, so i suggest we vc this later today

[desert dragon]

i would be available for the next hour and a half or something

so i guess i'll just do my mindless item skill grinding in voicechat

[formal abyss]

Im free now

[undone stirrup]

did you work it out?

[formal abyss]

Kinda?

I had him try mapping the artes to the right stick, and it worked

It might be a controller issue, maybe the sensitivity on the left stick needs to be adjusted.

[undone stirrup]

maybe try a different controller

had to buy a whole new controller because my previous one was used

[desert dragon]

new official XBox controller is ordered soon we'll find out if my issues are controller related OR if it's a skill issue and i'm just bad

[formal abyss]

I don't think its a skill issue...

Is there a program you can use to test your buttons and control sticks?

[undone stirrup]

steam has one for controllers i think. i might be confusing it for PS1 emulation

PC in general should have some kind of test for reactivity and deadzones

[desert dragon]

theres such a program build into windows actually. i used it to test general function of a dirt cheap controller i bought to have purely as an emergecy backup.

[desert dragon]

how exactly does manual cancel work? i can't seem to pull it off.

yes i am in manual mode. yes i read the battle book entry vaguely explaining it.
but i can't seem to pull it off even just once tho

[formal abyss]

It's a bit complicated

But I've more or less mastered it

So you know how Yuri twirls his damn sword around and you want to cancel that shit

During the endlag of most moves(not all, there are exceptions), use the Free Run ALONGSIDE tilting the control stick in the direction your character is currently facing

They'll cancel that endlag animation and begin to start moving forward

That's the minimum of inputs you need to perform manual cancel

However, usually you don't wanna be running around immediately after a move. This is why we usually add the guard button as well. It makes the character sort of slightly lunge forward, with minimal movement.

This version of Manual Cancel is sometimes known as Guard Cancel.

Here's a few applications.

Note when Yuri runs forward after a move, NOT in a guarding position... and sometimes he slides, while IN in a guarding position.

Once you start cancel into a free running, you can even do a 180 and retreat

Azure Edge is not the best move to manual cancel since even when cancelling theres plenty of endlag.

That's why I do a little 180 to get out of there before the enemy can hit me.

I recommend you practice cancelling Cerberus Strike, that one is a really good move for beginners to cancel with.

Short enough to even have the hit counter keep going.

Remember... Hold down Free Run + stick tilted in the character's direction(which in this instance is left)

And optionally, Guard. All three buttons at the same time. Do it during the three punches of Cerberus Strike.

Here's me in low quality on the steam deck so you can see my hand inputs.

[desert dragon]

so i can only cancel end animations? cuz i was trying to cancel mid-move.
e.g. when i do dragon swarm the enemy dies 2 hits in and i want yuri to stop doing flips and kicking the empty air

[formal abyss]

Dragon Swarm is a rare instance where you can cancel multiple different instances in the middle of the move

Even moreso that you can cancel it with just guard

[desert dragon]

i've tried doing that and it never worked so idk.
So i press L-Stick the direction yuri is facing at the exact time as LTrigger?
Also how much wiggle room is there for the angle e.g. if Yuri faces left at like 10 o'clock (angle/direction on analog clock face) and i tilt the stick left to 9 o'clock does that still register? or does the direction have to be super precise?

[formal abyss]

There is wiggle room, yes. Not much though

That's why its easiest to do this from the 3 or 9 o'clock position

[desert dragon]

i can't seem to cancel, like at all

or rather even weirder. cancel+block seems to work.
But "just cancel" feels impossible. i can't do it even once. which sounds ridiculous but it's true.

[formal abyss]

Its generally better to add block into the mix.

It eliminates most errors with the stick

[desert dragon]

i do feel like so many of the artes are terribly designed for comboing. i don't need 70 artes that throw the enemy halfway across the room where i can't keep hitting.

is that a me problem or just poor design?

so i usually end up just spamming cerberus strike brutal fang punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch

cuz they're the 2 moves that don't yeet the enemy

looks goofy but i don't care as long as it works

[desert dragon]

also how do i reliably stop my character from jumping when (arte+Lstick⬆️ )

[formal abyss]

Practice. Flick the stick up with the arte input for only a fraction of a second. Alternatively... I would put an arte in that shortcut that you only really use in the middle of a combo, NOT at the beginning.

[desert dragon]

welp beat the game. without understanding it. without using a mystic arte even once

took me until the very end to figure out what a Limit Trio is and then i just forgot to use the mystic arte in the last fight(s)

[formal abyss]

Good god, dude...

[desert dragon]

i mean it doesn't say that it actually raises the level cap and it also doesn't say "permanent" either.
i just assumed it'd single use boost ovl damage for 1 fight or something

[barren otter]

im fighting the spiral draco genuienly why tf is it taking 1 damage

[formal abyss]

Unequip your fell arms.

And make sure you don't have the minimum damage skill equipped

[undone stirrup]

fell arms don't work on the super boss right?

[formal abyss]

Yup.

[thorn depot]

@formal abyss has there always been a problem where if anyone besides Player 1 opens the battle menu they can't move the cursor, only Player 1 can?

also changing the controls fucks everything completely particularly if not every player has the same scheme?

[formal abyss]

That sounds correct iirc

[thorn depot]

is there no fix?????

i guess i must have never played multi on PC version

[formal abyss]

Oh this part?

Uh

[thorn depot]

for battle menu

the other thing i can work around with third party i believe

[formal abyss]

That i don't think so...

[thorn depot]

but the game literally doesn't let anyone besides P1 move the battle menu cursor

genuinely insane

[formal abyss]

I'd need help testing that.

[thorn depot]

so painful

[formal abyss]

I can test it with you tonight

Incidentally good thing you're here! I was about to ask you a question regarding x2 on rpcs3

I got it working on steam deck last night

However things outside battle are 60fps... it feels like the game is running at double speed.

[thorn depot]

yes that's typical, in RPCS3, if you set the FPS value from '60' to 'PS3 Native', that should solve the issue

on newer versions of the emulator

as for Vespy, I'm doing a multi session soon, and last night when we began there were these issues so i wanted to try and fix them before we had our next session again

so im trying to experiment and figure out how to fix

it's definitely a game issue, not an issue with the streaming software we're using to play together over net

for X2, if you're on an older version of the emulator or that fix doesn't work, i can reccomend the old way of doing it too

[formal abyss]

I just updated the version on my desktop two days ago

Still working fine

[formal abyss]

When I'm off work I can check it out

[thorn depot]

idk what i just did but i fixed it

i tried installed Special K and allowed the version downgrade and now P2 can control top menu in battle

so i wonder if one of those updates broke it

now im gonna try over our software

Special K overlay isnt even opening though when i do the input so idk wtf

other variable: Player 2 controller was originally detected as Player 1 controller on startup; after switching order in-game, top menu functioned

this is such a pain

okay, the variable doesnt seem to make a difference, but now when any player selects something from the battle top menu, they can't cancel out of that action, they can only commit

very cool

[thorn depot]

well, i continued doing here-and-there testing and it seems like that variable actually was the key, it seemed like once i changed a different controller besides controller 1 to player 1 slot, battle top menu worked as intended for all players, so that's that

hopefully it'll be no problems while we are playing later