1184-spoilers-2

[patent crystal]

Then again, it doesn't seem from the way Brook described seeing Shuri go off in a ship that it was some chaotic scene like it would have been if it was a native hunt.

[barren marsh]

Native hunt backstory is for Nami

[patent crystal]

In that scenerio, you couldn't be sure who killed who, it would be pure chaos

[hazy crater]

"A kingdom that fell"

I don't know if the king dying is enough for him to say that

[barren marsh]

It does happen

Without a strong replacement

[patent crystal]

It did fall, though it might not have been from a hunting competition. There are many ways it can fall

[barren marsh]

Brook went to be a pirate

[patent crystal]

It could have been in war, raided, taken over, annexed, bombed, starvation, disease...

[gloomy bluff]

I think it likely fell because of Imu

[patent crystal]

Maybe, maybe not

[hazy crater]

We know there is WG interference in some capacity

Shuri was likely possessed, Brook knows about the HKs

[patent crystal]

Imu might not have even been involved with Shuri until she actually was in the holy land

[gloomy bluff]

Every person who brings up the holy knights is someone who’s encountered them

[barren marsh]

Brook did say she was leaving for Marijoa

[gloomy bluff]

And she wasn’t a knight then

[rugged spade]

I am guessing the king is the royal family member

[gloomy bluff]

So he saw some other knight

[rugged spade]

Candel just married into the royal family?

[hazy crater]

The panel of Brook doing the nika pose is so cool

I think Brook will encounter that other Manmayer somehow

[glossy knot]

Brook was prob stronger in the past

[patent crystal]

It's possible, but he could know about the HKs from anywhere. We saw that Garling just traveled around and didn't hide who he was on places he landed. The HKs don't really hide, they just don't go out much.
I could see Shuri being possessed, but I also question that since Imu doesn't seem to be able to possess people he doesn't have a strong connection/contract with. Also, why? There are so many stronger people to posesses. Imu seems to take over people for their strength more than anything else.
I could see it also being her father that was controlled, maybe even Riku style, and she stopped him the only way she knew how.

[gloomy bluff]

I don’t think it’ll be the father again

In this situation Gunko is the one who becomes a holy knight, the child

[glossy knot]

Gunko is gonna betray right?

[patent crystal]

Sure, but she wasn't a knight for a long time past the point that her father was killed. I don't even think she had the immortal contract yet

[hazy crater]

They're not really hidden but like Buggy said people who reference them tend to be people who have personally met them. Even knowledgeable people like Jimbei are unfamiliar with them

[gloomy bluff]

She’s a father killer according to Brook

[glossy knot]

Dayum

[patent crystal]

It could still be the father, especially if Oda want to make a reflection between Harald and Leuven

[gloomy bluff]

ANd Brook mentioned that since he’s seen people being controlled then maybe something is different

[patent crystal]

That's true, though its also not hard to spread info about them either from people that have met them

[gloomy bluff]

It’s either Brook and the esperia attended the reverie (holy knight don’t appear there based on what we seen), or they came to Esperia

[patent crystal]

He also could have heard of them on his travels as a pirate

He could have honestly found out about them anytime prior to getting stuck

[hazy crater]

About the possession or whatever happened there I think Candel may have already had some connection to the holy land and was a knight or blade of god herself and maybe promised her daughter to Imu

[patent crystal]

How did Brook react to the CDs on sabaody?

I remember that was the first time for many of the SHs meeting them

[rugged spade]

Will candel gave the blue hair or lueven

[gloomy bluff]

He didn’t say anything

[gloomy bluff]

Candel

[patent crystal]

I assume Candel since her hair shade is the same as Gunko's

Leuven's hair is shaded the opposite

[proven quiver]

Holy Knights are definitely not something the general public knows about or at least that was the impression I had

[gloomy bluff]

Dragon knew the holy knights from God Valley

Akainu is a fleet admiral who in the holy land

Loki knew through Harald

Gaban also god valley

[patent crystal]

I don't think it will be like that, but it's possible.
I also think that maybe Candel dies early? In whatever event that causes Brook to get that injury and maybe even lose his sight
My current theory is that Candel is not evil, she however is highly sought over. As we know when a woman is highly sought over, she gets the attention of the CDs. They come, they want her, but she doesn't go quietly and fights back. Brook also fights but he's not strong enough and fails. Candel gets taken or dies.
Shuri grows up without a mother so her dad dotes on her even more.
However as she grows older, her beauty becomes the same as her mom's and then the CDs come for her as a replacement for her mom. Shuri is willing to sacrifice herself, her father tries to stop it and something happens where Shuri either accidentally, is framed, or is made to kill her father. She is then taken away to the Holy Land.

[patent crystal]

I don't think they advertise, but they don't hide either. Garling told everyone on GV who he was since he was trying to convince them to join the WG. I think if they show up, they state who they are, but they also don't put out a poster saying "WE'RE THE HOLY KNIGHTS!"

[icy horizon]

i dont get why people think this

[velvet wharf]

this flashback will show brook becoming a hk

[icy horizon]

why would he be a hk

[midnight creek]

well homing was one so

[patent crystal]

We also know regular military know of them like with Saul. Gaban knew the knights more from all the times they came after Shanks. So did all the rest of the crew. Again cause they announce it. Loki and Dragon could have also been reinforced from later sources in the marines

[patent crystal]

Homing was not

[heady anvil]

Usopp Fans got the worst from Elbaph, who could think it turned out to be Brook’s flashback time

[midnight creek]

I think eris might be a descendant of candel and leuven

[hazy crater]

That's possible too, it's just a little too similar to the Shakky or or I guess Ginny situation for my taste

[woven axle]

you know why the holy knights isn't well known from the masses/normal people? its because they are the "no one will know if there are no witnesses"...

they mostly go out and just annihilate a place

and the only time we actually see them being known is people surviving because there are others that go opposite them

most of the time... they just genocide everyone and take control of every information going out

[hazy crater]

I think whatever happens is probably tied to Shuri's promising strength, because that's basically what she's defined by as a holy knight. Her identity was erased and she became a "military child", that's what Gunko means. Even the other Manmayer in God Valley seems to only see her as a tool because of her strength. That's why I think her mother already had some sort of connection to the holy land and that's how Imu found out about Shuri.

[patent crystal]

The fact that everyone is trying to kidnap Candel and that this seems to be a pretty normal occurrence, gives me that feeling. Plus the fact that the CDs are involved somewhere.

[woven fable]

Hello uncles and aunties

[patent crystal]

That's not totally true. That only applied to the hunt competition. Other than that, they just go around and do whatever they have to do. They don't hide but they don't advertise and there are plenty of witnesses

[woven axle]

they don't hide... but if they go out they control everything going out

[woven fable]

If this flashback lasts for more than 5 chapters, then more than a quarter of elbaf is just flashback

[woven axle]

no one actually survives those things too

[woven fable]

Flashback piece is so back

[fading estuary]

the more flashbacks we get this arc the less we should be getting for the upcoming ones

[woven axle]

so its pretty much a not secret but the information is so bleak that you don't really know if they are real

[woven fable]

I mean there will be a big ahh flashback about void century after this one

[patent crystal]

I think that might be more of just an inside pun for Oda and Japanese readers, I don't think that's why she was taken. They may have just renamed her because her mom was known for the military, maybe she was training for it too, just like her mother and so they just knew her as "that military girl"

[woven fable]

Brook's backstory was expected

The void century flashback will be probably bigger than Rocks and Harald one

[fading estuary]

basically the only flashback we are yet to have? i think? we got the void century fb and maybe some sob story fb for wakainu

[patent crystal]

They do, that's why there are several people that are still alive that know about them. They're not trying to hide who they are. In fact, the opposite. They're proud of who they are

[woven fable]

yeah technically that's the only missing piece in the puzzle, since most of the things are already cleared out

[patent crystal]

Garling would have allowed everyone on god valley to live if they had joined the WG and not had Davys on the island. He didn't care that they knew he was an HK

[woven axle]

that's what i say... they don't really hide... the information about them is just being controlled by the actual government

[patent crystal]

I don't even think it's controlled.

[woven axle]

i mean its smart that they are feared but no information getting out of it

[fading estuary]

prolly gonna also have one final fb with the roger pirates reaching laughtale too and maybe a dedicated shanks/shamrock fb

[patent crystal]

It's just some people know about them and some people don't

[woven fable]

there are some minor things like mihawk, dragon zaza fruit, chopper forest god fruit, bb having two souls but i wouldn't consider them fbs technically

[fading estuary]

i feel like the previous god fruit users would be covered some way or another in the big ass void century fb but who knows

[shut bridge]

do u guys like the chap? excellent, good, normal, mid?

[patent crystal]

Like remember in Sabaody, some people didn't even know who the CDs were, simply because they had never encountered them or heard of them before. It's not that the CDs were hiding or information about them was being controlled, people just know about them when they know about them.
The HKs are the same way.

[patent crystal]

Pretty good, like the start

[woven fable]

between normal and good, brook's flashback is just starting so nothing really exciting

[hazy crater]

Great chapter

[fading estuary]

good chapter imo but nothing special

[woven axle]

information is obviously controlled by the government... those that know them only knows via first hand... most of the time the only information getting out is "Holy Knights happened" just that... its knowing that they exists but not knowing what they do or who they are...

[woven fable]

Extra points for color spread though

[shut bridge]

normal to good choptir, but opens expectancy for good chapters

[patent crystal]

Why do you think it's controlled? We've seen nothing of the kind.

Just because only some people know, doesn't mean it's being controlled, only that only some people are in an environment to be in the know

[woven axle]

The WG controls all the information they have... They are basically a higher level buster call...

[patent crystal]

They do, but I don't think this is part of it

[zinc flume]

pretty fire chapter

[icy horizon]

i agree

[velvet wharf]

any candice fans in chat

[slim olive]

Cardamom fans?

[thorny pivot]

candice?

fit where?

in my mouth?

[barren marsh]

What

[cursive tulip]

seeing some one piece fans on social media upset that it lost best animation award to solo leveling is hilarious 😂 why would any of us one piece fans expect it to win a best animation award with toei 🤦🏾‍♂️

[icy horizon]

csm reze arc should have won every award

[gloomy bluff]

Where’s Arsal

[barren marsh]

Delusional lol

[olive pendant]

lowkey i just want 1184 already

[frigid epoch]

did one piece win anything

[olive pendant]

yeah

[frigid epoch]

what did it win

[olive pendant]

best continuing series

[barren marsh]

Ah we’d have to move forward at least 2 years

[ruby vessel]

What if we move back by 1 year instead

[patent crystal]

I thought about the idea of the hunting competition, but the way Brook spoke about the king's death and the Shuri leaving, makes me think it wasn't the chaotic horror of the hunt. I also don't know if Oda will do that twice.

We've seen nations disappear for other reasons from war like with Nami's home country or from sickness/poison like Law's country

[calm girder]

oda has been repeating general themes, but dont think he would similar hunt twice.

There is going to be a self-sacrifice situation though.

Because oda has really been on that. I think it follows the Kuma + Harald characters that Oda has put a lot of love into. And I also believe 'acting like Nika', and the cross symbology...ect is where Oda wants to incorporate those Christian ideals a bit.

[rotund raven]

Wonder if Gunko causes Brook's scar

[queen coral]

Not unlikely tbh Oda likes to skip through time in flashbacks a lot

He did it like 10 times during Harald's flashback lol

but in truth I also dont know if a human hunt is even gonna happen here, but the WG will for sure be involved

[patent crystal]

I also don't know if Oda's going to have another human hunt in the same arc we already had one

[pliant sorrel]

https://x.com/i/status/2058226856327880746

someone drew it lmao

also since when was Absalom that built wtf hogback put half the muscles he had lying around on him

[patent crystal]

Gross, glad he's dead

[hazy crater]

I've been thinking a lot about Hogback lately and he's actually even worse, so much worse, he needs to die too

[dreamy siren]

Hogback summons Zombie Rocks

[exotic marsh]

Wait is Imu's first form not a silhouette?

That's just how he looks like?

[leaden nest]

It's crazy how Moria and Perona were just chilling with like 2 of the most evil people of all time

[slim olive]

Its not even like moria was using them either

Like those were his bros

He crashed out on hachinosu

[velvet wharf]

mihawk isn't that evil

lola also traded loki for absalom

[worn axle]

lola is hot

im jk

[sonic inlet]

don’t even joke lad

[icy horizon]

its not a silhouette

roger called imu a black blob im pretty sure

[hazy crater]

I think his real body in pangea castle is not a silhouette, but his projections when he possesses people is actually just a blob

[lusty crystal]

Fr

[stone violet]

yo any link

[velvet wharf]

yall liked the chapter?

[sonic inlet]

it was prettyyyyy good

wayy better than last chapter

[idle jacinth]

I loved it

[worn axle]

i liked it too

[queen coral]

I mean that isnt the highest bar but I get what you mean

[covert copper]

fih

[hazy crater]

Why did bro send that in every channel

[covert copper]

fih

[sonic inlet]

last chapter was the worst Elbaph chapter

[hazy crater]

Wrong

[sonic inlet]

has to be the most boring one

[hazy crater]

There are like 15 worse chapters

[covert copper]

fih

[sonic inlet]

nahhhh

[queen coral]

Son

[hazy crater]

Hint: they all have a certain character in them

[frigid epoch]

gunko

[queen coral]

One of those chapters is worse actually now that I remember

[idle jacinth]

it was a good transitional chapter I dunno why youre hating on it Jesus

[hazy crater]

Those are the best

[frigid epoch]

god valley was the best tbh

[sonic inlet]

it was so boring and it had to drop during a break week to ANOTHER break week

chapter 1183 feels like the first chapter in a MONTH

[idle jacinth]

I disagree but I understand that the breaks hurt it

[covert copper]

1182 had biblu

It was a goated chapter

fih

[ruby vessel]

bibku isnt a fih

[little charm]

what is a fih

[ruby vessel]

🐟

[hazy crater]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-fish-gif-11746948154213447163

[calm girder]

is there a break next week?

[little charm]

I heard we get three chapters in a row

but since my source is an anonymous user on the internet...

[hazy crater]

No break

[sonic inlet]

no break

more Brook Piece is upon us

[covert copper]

Finally brook is getting something

[idle jacinth]

@sonic inlet btw

Esperia is pretty much literally the ''Dusk Island''

Esperia is translated as the land of the setting sun

The Luffy/Brook parallels have been pretty strong this arc

[sonic inlet]

oh really?

[gloomy bluff]

Cheri van der is a common name

[sonic inlet]

that's cool

[graceful bear]

Moon God Brook

[gloomy bluff]

The Flying Dutchman is one of the most famous operas in the world

We’re introduced to a opera house on Esperia

[idle jacinth]

her name is definitely going to be Cheri

[gloomy bluff]

I’m telling you guys I think she’s Vander

Leuven means beloved

Cheri means my beloved

Vander goroawase is 83

[gloomy bluff]

Chapter 1183

Brook bounties were 83 and 383

The Goroawase for Vander (バンダー/Bandā) could possibly be read as 8 (ba-n) 3 (da)

[idle jacinth]

well, throughout the series in general:

• Luffy's been Afro Luffy while Brook's been Strawhat Brook in WCI, literally masking as him to break Carmel's picture
• Both Immune to lightning
• Both can heal via milk
• Brook directly compares himself with Luffy in WCI, ''I guess that was just the star you were born under, that goes for me too''
• Both hit the Nika pose ofc lol
• Brook's born in Esperia, translating to the ''land of the setting sun or the land of the dusk'' while Luffy's from Dawn Island
• Now we're getting introduced to his own Shanks this arc, Leuven, the man he owes everything to. It also happens to be the arc that the Shanks/Luffy dynamic had been focused on earlier on.

I think we might also get some Binks lore here, that would be another connection if Binks is Joyboy as has been speculated

[covert copper]

#also-manga message gunko did this pose

[gloomy bluff]

What if the actual Flying Dutchman is Uranus

“Vander Decken stop Noah”

Only Vander Decken could move Noah (without sea kings)

[hot stag]

i think both healing via milk was luffys power etching out. i think the true power of luffys awakened form is to affects others as well as his enviroment.

[covert copper]

Cool

[calm girder]

Van Decken was allies with Hody Jones. Possible the original was allies with davy jones. Might lean more into Pluton.

[gloomy bluff]

They would have two different ships

Vander Decken was the flying pirates

[calm girder]

Vander Decken may have been a joyboy crew member that created his own crew afterwards.

[sonic inlet]

where do you think these things are going

[ruby vessel]

Brook will kill Luffy and become the real Nika

[idle jacinth]

this was my first thought personally, but I am curious to see what else Oda's building to as well

[sonic inlet]

cook

[sonic inlet]

some lore about Bink's sake would be cool

[covert copper]

New mc new mc

[sonic inlet]

man thank God there's no break

[gloomy bluff]

Weatheria - Esperia

[idle jacinth]

I think in general we're in for another big flashback for sure

[gloomy bluff]

Uranus the magician

That’s why haredas and the others look like wizards

[idle jacinth]

so I am excited to see what we'll see here, there's a lot that we really could

[calm girder]

Bink the muscian of joyboys crew

[sonic inlet]

not Oden/Rocks length tho

I'm thinking 5-7 chapters

[calm girder]

this might be like a 5 chapter flashback

[idle jacinth]

could be 10

[hazy crater]

Not even I expect it to be Oden length 😭

[idle jacinth]

4-5 is the safe and realistic expectation

[distant chasm]

6 chapters exactly

[covert copper]

6 or 7 is a safe guess

[hazy crater]

I hope 5 minimum

[calm girder]

unless we get flashback upon flashbacks. Lokis flashback was a harald flashback that was a rocks flashback

[idle jacinth]

and it would make sense as well, we've most likely got 5-6 chapters left in the volume

[distant chasm]

short and sweet> a long one

[idle jacinth]

and I can see Oda ending it with the volume

[sonic inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/higurama-son-what-is-bro-talking-about-son-we-are-cooked-higurama-we-are-cooked-jjk-son-gif-3762192617974067107

[hazy crater]

Is this still volume 116?

[idle jacinth]

yeah

[hazy crater]

That would make sense

[idle jacinth]

Starts from Chapter 1179, the Imu reveal

[sonic inlet]

oh fr? then it might end the volume

[idle jacinth]

Would end at 1188 if there are 10 chapters, 89 at 11 and 90 at 12. Impossible to say for sure but it'll be one of the 3 lol

[idle jacinth]

also its not crazy

When I say 4-5, I am thinking what he would need to cover the bare minimum of the content in a satisfactory way

[covert copper]

New sbs soon?

[idle jacinth]

I dont think we have a release date yet

oh wait we do

Jul 3rd, so not soon

[covert copper]

[calm girder]

I mean kalgara's flashback was like 4-5 chapters, and that was peak

[covert copper]

1minth

[sonic inlet]

it can be short yk

I dont see how it could turn into a Rocks/Oden type of thing

5-7 is reasonable

[idle jacinth]

it was roughly 8 chapters iirc

[hazy crater]

I mean even 10 isn't Oden length yet

Not close

[idle jacinth]

yeah Oden's was like 15

[queen coral]

10 would already be one of the longer flashbacks in the series though

[hazy crater]

Which would be fantastic but I don't want to set myself up for disappointment

[covert copper]

fih

[calm girder]

287 it started, and ended 292.

[idle jacinth]

I think it started a few pages into 286 and ended a few pages into 293

[sonic inlet]

a short flashback doesnt mean it'll be bad...

[covert copper]

My bingo will fail if we get more than 2-3 chapter fb

[idle jacinth]

because I remember 286 was titled ''The Shandoran Demon'', I just checked that chapter recently

[sonic inlet]

you're cooked

[covert copper]

Tru

Easy 6-7 chapters

[hazy crater]

Well it kinda does unless it's not something that's supposed to be very complicated in the first place like Katakuri's, and 5-7 isn't short short

But I would like it to be longer

[idle jacinth]

the average proper flashback length actually somewhere between 6-7 chapters iirc

[calm girder]

your right, there was like 4 pages in 286, and like 1 page in 293.

but still, it was mainly 6 full chapters and a few pages otherwise

[covert copper]

SIXSEVEN

[sonic inlet]

well yeah 5-7 isnt short but that's what I expect

doesnt mean it'll be bad

[hazy crater]

I'm not saying it will

[queen coral]

6.3 chapters long flashback

[hazy crater]

I think that would be enough, but like it could use more

[queen coral]

I think Kuma's was like 6 chapters

[hazy crater]

Kuma was 7

[queen coral]

6 7 same difference basically

[idle jacinth]

Kuma, Franky, ASL, Robin, Fisher Tiger/Otohime, Noland/Kalgara, Law, Franky, Zou, Chopper - All around that 5-7 chapters length

[hazy crater]

I want something equivalent at least

[sonic inlet]

it was 7

[hazy crater]

There's definitely enough here to make it that long

[tawdry star]

kuma’s felt way longer than that

[covert copper]

Hm 6-7 length is perfect tbh

[sonic inlet]

yeah 5-7 is the minimun I expect of this flashback

[tawdry star]

i’d be fine with 5

seeing as it’ll (hopefully) just cover this part

[calm girder]

I still wonder if Gunko will actually be the one to murder the king

[queen coral]

I dont see anything that would lead to this being 10 chapters long yet

With Harald's flashback I could see why

[idle jacinth]

Rebecca/Kyros, Nami, Return to Reverie, Sanji I, Brook I, Big Mom, Vivi - they all were around 3 chapters roughly iirc

[queen coral]

From like the first or second chapter of that flashback

[tawdry star]

harald had to cover basically his whole life (and another’s) whereas this should be covering a pretty small slice

[calm girder]

yeah, unless we see Shuri's brother is Garlings father or something.

[queen coral]

Harald flashback covered like 60% of his life, half of Loki's life and basically Xebec's entire pirating career

[hazy crater]

I expect it to be, I think it's an inversion of Loki and Harald where she was the one who was possessed or controlled instead of her father

[calm girder]

See, I see the inversion being the daughter taking the reprucussions of the actions.

[idle jacinth]

I mean the Harald flashback was also 20 chapters lol, I dont get the comparison

[hazy crater]

"Harald flashback"...

[queen coral]

Yes but I dont see this flashback needing to be even half that

[covert copper]

Yesg

[calm girder]

it wasnt even haralds flashback, it was lokis lol

[covert copper]

Fuck loki

[tawdry star]

it was the rocks flashback

[covert copper]

Fuck rocks

[idle jacinth]

no it wasnt

[queen coral]

7 chapters should be sufficient

[calm girder]

it was lokis, which became haralds, which became rocks flashback all in one wrapper

[distant chasm]

this also is just not a great time to throw in a long flashback. partially because it does not seem to be very related to whats going on between imu and loki and luffy. But if this is the same as last flashback where it just turns into an imu flashback randomly sure

[queen coral]

8 if not counting the stuff in this chapter

[tawdry star]

yeah i think throwing in a lengthy flashback here might damage the flow of things

[covert copper]

Loki was narrating what happened to his dad so it was his dad's fb

[hazy crater]

I think I'd be quite satisfied with 8 chapters

[idle jacinth]

Its like Oden's flashback, that also focused on many characters at once and literally showed us Roger's journey for 2+ of them but thats not changing the name of the flashback

[calm girder]

It was lokis life, but it was also Haralds life, but it was also Rocks adult life.

[idle jacinth]

Loki's actual flashback will be about his pirate life I am sure

[distant chasm]

give us a few chapters of brook and gunkos story, call it a day. If its gonna be longer you'd hope its cuz its following some other character for a while

[idle jacinth]

this is a great time to throw in a flashback

[tawdry star]

i’m hoping this won’t be another shakky or ginny situation where a CD just gets eyes for candel

[gloomy bluff]

The people under the demon in the mural is Vander Decken and his crew

[gloomy bluff]

He’s throwing them off the ship

[covert copper]

So glue

[hazy crater]

The timing is fine, Oda loves throwing them right into the middle of the conflicts

[gloomy bluff]

Vander Decken had the abyss mark I don’t think he got DR

[distant chasm]

❌

[idle jacinth]

I mean thats how it is supposed to be, we're not at any final battle right now

[covert copper]

The breakaway from imu loki in 1182 was good enough

[hazy crater]

Never forget when he literally stopped time right in the middle of a Luffy attack to show us the Chopper flashback

[idle jacinth]

Loki v Imu is just a secondary fight, that we already started transitioning away from last chapter in order to focus on the rest of the cast

[calm girder]

being under the sea probably makes you unreachable by Imu

[idle jacinth]

the last chapter was the bridge

[distant chasm]

❌

[idle jacinth]

just keep throwing Xs its not gonna change anything

[hazy crater]

Loki is heavily breathing anyway, he's not gonna last longer than another chapter when we come back

[gloomy bluff]

The Noland flashback started similar to that

[covert copper]

Wrong

[idle jacinth]

we were already shifting away from the Loki fight last chapter, people just struggled to clock it

[tawdry star]

we’ll get the usual “loki is about to be killed then luffy shows up to save the day”

[covert copper]

Hybrid form and loki Luffy tag team remains

[gloomy bluff]

Checks DMs

[calm girder]

wasnt Imu breathing heavily too?

[idle jacinth]

he has been since he got here tbf

[distant chasm]

yea lets shift into something besides a long flashback

[tawdry star]

he got hurt but not that heavily

[queen coral]

I mean yeah he's getting sonned by Imu

[hazy crater]

When he got hit by the attack, but not anymore

[queen coral]

Imu is coughing and stuff yes

[calm girder]

he was just huffing in 1983

[covert copper]

Physical limit to his body

[queen coral]

It might have something to do with transforming but he did also get hit

[hazy crater]

That was Loki wasn't it?

[distant chasm]

imu huffin every chapter

[sonic inlet]

it's not the main fight of the arc tbh

[distant chasm]

dont gotta be

[idle jacinth]

We are shifting towards the rest of the cast, to resolve the other stories that have been setup before coming back to Loki and then Luffy

[hazy crater]

I don't remember seeing him huffing this chapter

[versed kestrel]

yeah idc abt the flashback but imu needs to stop vagueposting

[calm girder]

both are getting tired

they both huffing

Ragnir is the only one in peak physical condition

[idle jacinth]

part of that involves delivering this big long awaited flashback

[covert copper]

Anywho loki is standing longer than 1 chapter after this fb

[hazy crater]

Ok he was huffing in the first panel

[queen coral]

Imu is gonna win of course but I do wonder if he can maintain his form for long

[velvet wharf]

been a while since I've seen people huffscaling

!huff

[hot cosmos]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486983010025996299/745901054390042664/ENI0niV.png?ex=65e02c7d&is=65cdb77d&hm=89ddb7df93d8407839092eb214dc6b2d59b8e6b5ce9417ce3821caf1ed4236f6&

[hazy crater]

But during the fight itself he's not

And Loki is

[tawdry star]

we haven’t had sweatscaling in a hot minute

[distant chasm]

yea lol

[distant chasm]

I mean I dont think that means anything

[hazy crater]

Well either way

Loki is not lasting much longer

[queen coral]

He coughed up a lot of blood when he came to Elbaf

[calm girder]

they in the middle of the fight, what you talking about 🤣

[hazy crater]

Because he can't narratively

[distant chasm]

yes maybe not

[idle jacinth]

Imu's been huffing from the very first panel that he appeared in lol

[hazy crater]

He's just yapping there

[ruby vessel]

He can need as long as Oda needs him to stall

[distant chasm]

though I dont think Id assume theres no chance theres just some 2v1 action

[ruby vessel]

How long until he shows his hybrid lol

[idle jacinth]

its just part of his body not being built for the real world

[queen coral]

so again this form may just be extremely taxing to use

[tawdry star]

we can assume imu is on a sort of timer here

[calm girder]

So Imu getting exhausted by talking, and Loki getting tired by attacking. I rather drain my power attacking then talking.

[covert copper]

NEXT NEXT NEXT CHAPTER SURELY

[ruby vessel]

During the flashback

[hazy crater]

Like Arsal said he's been huffing since he arrived pretty much

[covert copper]

Offscreen

Hybrid

[hazy crater]

It's less to do with Loki and more to do with being there in the first place

But it intensified after he got hit by that attack, yes

[covert copper]

The point was him getting tired

[plush sail]

Queen candel is gonna cook so hard this flashback

[calm girder]

gotcha, I am jsut saying you said Imu wasnt huffing, now your saying he has been huffing the whole time. But realistically Imu going to tire out first before Loki likely.

Because Imu is not built for lower world

[distant chasm]

I would not say that

[idle jacinth]

I think thats just related to his timer running out, thats what has intensified it

[covert copper]

Queen candice

[hazy crater]

Well I just meant during this specific fight section he isn't

[distant chasm]

He's not built for lower world so he's nerfed. But chances are he would last longer than loki

[hazy crater]

But Loki continued to

[queen coral]

Imu is gonna beat Loki before he tires out, because Luffy has to fight him

[distant chasm]

Luffy exists to take over if loki is too tired, so chances are Imu outlasts loki

[hazy crater]

Not like any of this matters anyway lol

[idle jacinth]

Loki will be defeated in the next 2 minutes of the fight, its not gonna matter

[sonic inlet]

he's def lasting longer than Loki, Luffy hasnt even shown up yet

[calm girder]

in holy land yeah, Imu might be a tier higher in power

[sonic inlet]

exactly

[distant chasm]

in elbaf too

[calm girder]

I mean they kind of even right now

[distant chasm]

being nerfed doesnt mean you cant win a fight. He can be nerfed and still be strong enough to beat loki before his timer goes off

[plush sail]

Imu gonna put bta on loki then he is gonna put bta on luffy for half a chapter before he starts bleeding and retreats to marijoisr

[calm girder]

Loki doing pretty well considering he couldnt move for 6 years

[distant chasm]

right, and most likely imu would be the stronger one as they get closer to the end of their battle

[hazy crater]

Loki is overstaying his welcome

[queen coral]

Like this arc is not passing without Luffy fighting Imu, idk why people keep thinking Luffy and Imu will just miss each other

[hazy crater]

Let him go down already please

[distant chasm]

like none of this changes that Imu is narratively the more powerful one. And because luffy exists, the story doesnt need loki to outlast imu

[sonic inlet]

cause of the BB final villain agenda

[queen coral]

I had to argue for my life that Luffy would even SEE Imu this arc

[distant chasm]

so chances are Imu is beating/outlasting loki

[calm girder]

I would side with this, just because loki was tied up for years, and he was nearly stabbed to death by shamrock multiple times about 30 minutes ago

give loki a few days to hit the treadmill and recover, different battle

[ruby vessel]

wtf against who

[hazy crater]

I have a guess...

[distant chasm]

well that mkaes me wonder if you're saying Loki is stronger than imu lmao. But I guess thats a different conversation

[sonic inlet]

ridicoulus

[calm girder]

Loki is probably at his weakest right now so hard to say

[sonic inlet]

probably Sharon LOL

[distant chasm]

I dont think it would be hard to say

feats arent all that matter. We know the narrative of the story enough to guess Imu is stronger than loki

[queen coral]

This was back before the Harald flashback ended, but I argued with a few people who said Imu would get all the kids and leave before Luffy even got up there

Maybe one of them was heart pirate queen? I dont remember tbh

[calm girder]

Luffy has seen Imu for about 3 panels this arc. He either has been in underworld or eating plot armor

burnt plot armor

but perhaps having nidhoggr and luffy going 1x1 with imu keeps the battle fair/interesting.

[tawdry star]

would be a good bit

luffy just does nothing this arc

[calm girder]

flashbacks have been awesome though

[dreamy siren]

Mailbox’s dream

[sonic inlet]

there were some people who didnt want Luffy and Imu to meet

we know why

[ruby vessel]

Luffy will meet Imu for real in chapter 1194 when post timeskip is as long as pre timeskip

Then they fight until Imu goes crashout in 1200 and nukes everything

[dreamy siren]

Loki’s wing is bleeding

Imu vs Kaido durability

[ruby vessel]

Luffys wing is bleeding too. From the nose (Sanji)

[sonic inlet]

dang we're so close

[dreamy siren]

Actually what am I saying

[sonic inlet]

that's crazy

[ruby vessel]

Btw underappreciated but Ripley had a great moment this chapter

[ruby vessel]

Right around the corner....

Huge milestone honestly

[sonic inlet]

post time skip will be longer than pre

[hazy crater]

By a large margin

[ruby vessel]

I need to call Zyph for this

[sonic inlet]

I wonder if some people used to think it would end before that

[dreamy siren]

Post timeskip haki

[idle jacinth]

it was the popular opinion

[ruby vessel]

Is it that panel where it says Pitter Patter

[dreamy siren]

Ye

[ruby vessel]

Idk what this means but cook

[dreamy siren]

From the same wing that got hit

[sonic inlet]

I remember Rogersbase thinking OP would end in volume 120

[ruby vessel]

Probably, not me tho

[idle jacinth]

^ not true

[ruby vessel]

?

I never thought Post timeskip would be shorter than pre

[idle jacinth]

I am sure at some point you did smh

it was literally universally agreed upon back when we were in like Zou and WCI

[ruby vessel]

Why

[ruby vessel]

Wasnt it still like "damn Luffy needs to train REALLY hard to beat a yonko and we already spent 200 chapters for FMI-Dressrosa"

[idle jacinth]

We didnt know how long it could go, so the idea of post ts = pre ts in chapters made a ton of sense

[plush sail]

The final saga is definetly going to be the longest saga in one piece

[gloomy bluff]

1-100 Prologue

100-600 Part 1

600-1200 Part 2

1200+ The End

[idle jacinth]

and people leaned towards less than pre ts

[sonic inlet]

even back then it wouldnt have made sense to me

[ruby vessel]

Around equal maybe but not shorter

I thought it would be a bit above 1200 chapters

[sonic inlet]

[gloomy bluff]

We’re in the final part of one piece

[plush sail]

Who remebers when this was ussops arc?

[sonic inlet]

I wish

[idle jacinth]

I dont think anyone anticipated a 150 chapter Wano arc, or even the existence of an Egghead arc or this 100 chapters long Elbaf arc

[ruby vessel]

I thought 120-130

[gloomy bluff]

Naw people knew a Vegapunk arc was coming

They just didn’t know it would be long

[sonic inlet]

I did expect a Vegapunk arc

and an elbaph one

I remember when people were thinking post wano we would go to laughtale lol

[idle jacinth]

Wano? I was on the 150 train actually but only once Act 1 Ended

[gloomy bluff]

Like 70% of the fandom was saying Vegapunk next after Wano

Everyone else was saying Elbaph

[sonic inlet]

nah people were thinking we would go to laughtale and final war after wano because of the final saga announcment

[ruby vessel]

Yes. After Dressrosa and WCI I knew it would be even longer

[idle jacinth]

yeah that 70% percentage is absolutely not true

[gloomy bluff]

I’m talking about when the chapter dropped when they chose routes

[plush sail]

Blackbeard is gonna do something

I just have a feeling

[gloomy bluff]

Everyone was saying Vegapunk or Elbaph

[ruby vessel]

Barely anyone said that

[sonic inlet]

yep

[sonic inlet]

that's not true

[plush sail]

Shank vs Luffy and Dragon vs Blackbeard next arc

[sonic inlet]

people were saying one piece was going to end

[plush sail]

I thoughr is was gonna end in 2025 💀

Tbf i just started one piece at that time

[sonic inlet]

everytime you said something like "we need a vegapunk arc" or "we need to go to elbaph" everyone just shoot you down those days

[ruby vessel]

I thought 2027

[gloomy bluff]

Read messages before 05/23/2022 and type in Vegapunk next

[idle jacinth]

I think the route that was imagined by the fanbase around WCI and Zou was
Wano where Kaido loses>Elbaf where BM loses>Laugh Tale>Final War where BB loses>Epilogue

so it ending around 1200 was a very common guess

[gloomy bluff]

On Reddit, Twitter, and in here the only thing I remember was vegapunk or Elbaph

[sonic inlet]

dawg I was there lol, it was not 70% of the fanbase

[hazy crater]

I remember thinking 2027 as well... And now I think we have a whole decade left

[plush sail]

Its going until 1500 chapter bare minimum

[slim olive]

I predicted vegapunk but only after wano ended

Because a marine mentioned egghead

[ruby vessel]

I said Vegapunk arc because I wanted a moon arc

[sonic inlet]

that honestly made sense, but where was the last road poneglyph in people's mind? Elbaph?

[idle jacinth]

During Wano, I was on the 2028 train personally. Now ofc thats impossible and I gave up on it shortly after Egghead started

[idle jacinth]

yeah

[gloomy bluff]

There were so many theories

I remember people saying the Strawhats would be captured in Wano and taken to vegapunk labs

[plush sail]

Me too

[finite linden]

you want the strawhats to go to the moon? enel is coming back with all the lore already

[sonic inlet]

I predicted it after Kaido got defeated, it just made sense to meet VP now

[ruby vessel]

Hype

[sonic inlet]

I guess it made sense back then

no one would've expected the burn scar man

this series wont be even close to over until we find that dude

[gloomy bluff]

Will be half way revealed in this flashback

The cursed pirate

[sonic inlet]

I remember that

[sonic inlet]

this arc was very different in people's mind back then lol

it was either a shanks arc or a big mom one

ended up being neither

[gloomy bluff]

Yea it’s Usopp’s arc

[queen coral]

It is still a Shanks arc but indirectly

[ruby vessel]

Its partly Shanks but without him being here

[queen coral]

but it's not a Big Mom arc

[sonic inlet]

Shanks wins

[ruby vessel]

Luffy didnt even meet Shamrock and think its Shanks

[plush sail]

Next arc is the shanks confrontation

[idle jacinth]

tbh no

it didnt make any sense, I was just dooming and thinking that Oda would rush ahead to the end

[sonic inlet]

truee next arc is the shanks meet up

[queen coral]

He always wins

[plush sail]

Queen candel is so tuff

[sonic inlet]

oh

[plush sail]

She is definetly going out strong

[covert copper]

fih

[idle jacinth]

by Egghead, I was firmly on 2037 as my estimate and I have stuck with it ever since

[sonic inlet]

it's funny tbh, it's def on its way to end but there's so much to still see happening

[plush sail]

Yeah and Dragon vs Blackbeard is a possiblity in my head

[sonic inlet]

idk how Oda will do it in his lifespan

[plush sail]

He needs like 5 years

[sonic inlet]

2037 might be it...

[covert copper]

Are y'all ready for queen candice

[sonic inlet]

5 years is impossible ngl

[idle jacinth]

5 years is just far too short atp

[plush sail]

Yes🤑 🔥 🥶 😈

[idle jacinth]

thats only 175 chapters!

[hazy crater]

Yeah no 5 years is impossible

[ruby vessel]

When will 5 years ever be the correct estimate

[idle jacinth]

the final war deadass will be 5 years alone

[plush sail]

Damn your right

[ruby vessel]

cursed number

[distant chasm]

August 24th 2035 pin it

[queen coral]

Oda needs like 275 chapters

[ruby vessel]

could see it

[gloomy bluff]

Yea no way it’s under 100 chapters

[idle jacinth]

July 22 2037 btw

[gloomy bluff]

100 chapters alone is 3 years

[plush sail]

June 7th 2036

[idle jacinth]

wait I dont know if thats a sunday

lemme check

[covert copper]

Set rmd

[gloomy bluff]

And we haven’t even talked about Lodestar/LaughTale/VC Flashback

That’s probably gonna be one little mini arc like Jaya and Skypeia

[sonic inlet]

why u laughing @gloomy bluff it's true

[gloomy bluff]

Wdym

Laugh?

[ruby vessel]

laugh ... clown ... buggy ...

goda

[sonic inlet]

you laugh reacted

[gloomy bluff]

Stupid reaction

[gloomy bluff]

It does that by itself

[sonic inlet]

he needs 400 more chapters

[hazy crater]

The double tap thing?

[gloomy bluff]

Yea

[hazy crater]

You can disable it

[idle jacinth]

okay its July 26th, 2037

[ruby vessel]

its just absurd that it still needs so long thats why

[gloomy bluff]

How

[queen coral]

No

[sonic inlet]

yes

[gloomy bluff]

I agree with the 5 years

[queen coral]

400 chapters is like 12 years

[idle jacinth]

though I am not gonna lie to you, its getting a bit shaky

[gloomy bluff]

I think it ends 2030+ minimum

[hazy crater]

Settings > chat

[sonic inlet]

true

[gloomy bluff]

2030 is too soon

[queen coral]

12.5 years actually

[hazy crater]

You couldn't even disable it when it first released, it was so annoying

[idle jacinth]

2037 could maybe not be enough, its hard to say for sure

[sonic inlet]

I'm afraid Oda will die if we go any further

[queen coral]

Which means it would end at the very end of 2038

[gloomy bluff]

Lodestar/Laughtale and Final War will be 200+

[queen coral]

or start of 2039

[idle jacinth]

well hopefully not

[plush sail]

void century flashback

[gloomy bluff]

I’ll turn into Dr Hogback

[distant chasm]

void century flashback will be all of 2030-2033

[ruby vessel]

Around 1500 chapters should be the upper echelon honestly

[ruby vessel]

100 void chapters

[gloomy bluff]

1556

[fluid creek]

👀

[idle jacinth]

I feel like 1556 is a good number to end it on, which roughly lands in the 2037 year as well.

[plush sail]

Black beard takes over control of the world by 2029

[fluid creek]

can someone dm me the chapt

pretty peas

[queen coral]

If Oda is pushing the series all the way to 2040 I just dont even know what to say at that point

[shell musk]

1500 would be 10 more years

[gloomy bluff]

VC flashback gonna be at least double rocks and Harald flashback

[queen coral]

It's just too much after a certain point

[shell musk]

just go to the page where it always is

or go to the subreddit, its pinned at the top

[gloomy bluff]

IMO the only way it ends sooner is if Final War and Laugh Tale take place at the same time

[sonic inlet]

he's getting old, the series needs to end at some point

[fluid creek]

thank you chrissy

[sonic inlet]

LOL

[gloomy bluff]

If it’s this then it can end in the 1300-1400s

[sonic inlet]

this is my prediction too

[ruby vessel]

for Odas sake I hope he can end it around 1400

[queen coral]

We might be in a third world war by the time this series ends if it pushes into the 1500's

[gloomy bluff]

GTA7 before one piece reveal

[plush sail]

Ussops arc has rightfully been stolen by Brook

Yohoho

[ruby vessel]

Imagine Luffy going Gear 4 against Doffy being the midpoint of the series lol

We are getting Gear 6 at that point

[queen coral]

Gear 6 is happening anyways dw

[plush sail]

Gear 6 and 7 are likely possiblity

[ruby vessel]

"This is my peak" when we are only at 2/3s lol

[idle jacinth]

I just feel like when he's neck deep into the final war, he'll not be thinking about it like this. He'll have to go through with it no matter how long it takes

[queen coral]

Gear 6 happens when 6G becomes a thing irl

[plush sail]

6G before gear 6🤔

[idle jacinth]

1556 is a good point to end it on, but it just wouldnt surprise me if it went longer even if Oda was aiming for the 40th anniversary and that specific chapter number

[gloomy bluff]

One piece ends chapter 1600

[gloomy bluff]

[ruby vessel]

it would surprise me if it went longer

[hazy crater]

Last chapter ends with an Imu being alive teaser

[plush sail]

Last chapter being a tease for two piece writtien by odas future generations

[queen coral]

If it goes to the 1500's it better the most complete perfect ending manga has ever seen

[idle jacinth]

I dunno, I think youre definitely underestimating how long it could go

[gloomy bluff]

“Now to a world where only a god belongs… FAIRY VEARTH”

[covert copper]

fih says goodnight

[plush sail]

For the safety of oda it has to be

[sonic inlet]

idk man, the human body has a limit, it's def a worry that he wont be able to finish this long series at some point

[distant chasm]

for sure

[queen coral]

but yeah Oda is getting old

[sonic inlet]

it probably will

[gloomy bluff]

Dw, Odaboy will inherit his will

[idle jacinth]

I understand but I dont think we're moving at a pace where I'd think he's running towards the ending just yet

[queen coral]

Consistently working 12+ hours a day for over 30 years has to be taking a toll on him

[idle jacinth]

Oda's been taking care of his health more than ever, I think he seems comfortable in his position and hopefully that continues

[gloomy bluff]

The story is moving fast, but it’s like it’s fast with even more info

[idle jacinth]

I mean thats really just the nature of this being the final saga, every question is going to be answered but with each answer, we've actually only been getting more questions too lol

[gloomy bluff]

Yea

[plush sail]

"The ending? If you want it you can have it I left it all in one notebook" o D a

[ruby vessel]

Its moreso that I genuinely want Oda to retire

[sonic inlet]

he will eventually, that's what I'm saying. He's not immortal and he'll realize it soon.

[sonic inlet]

yeah

[gloomy bluff]

Only way it doesn’t get that far is if the fandom guessed wrong on how these next arcs will go

[ruby vessel]

I know theoretically One Piece could go for 2000 chapters but a man has limits

[sonic inlet]

exactly

[queen coral]

If Oda was immortal this series would be like 2500 chapters long

[sonic inlet]

that's what I'm saying

[ruby vessel]

Yep

[idle jacinth]

I dunno, I am not saying that he wants to go at it forever or anything lol

but this series is a monster, its not gonna be taken down quickly or easily

[gloomy bluff]

“Meyer” is a Dutch surname

[idle jacinth]

I dont think Oda's capable of doing it in the time that many of y'all are suggesting lol, thats all

[sonic inlet]

I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying the human body has a limit

[distant chasm]

oda is capable, you just would sacrifice the benefit of taking your time

which is unfortunate, but it happens with many stories/authors

and its not really unusual

[idle jacinth]

thats fine, but I dont think 11 more years is pushing him beyond the limit or anything

[idle jacinth]

He is not and he has admitted it many times himself

[distant chasm]

He is, and he has likely said things in the past under the assumption he would complete it exactly how he wants to

which is what I think you're missing from what Im saying

[ruby vessel]

Either you are underestimating him then, or we are underestimating how long he can keep on

I prefer some thing being rushed over Oda straight up not being able to finish it some day

[distant chasm]

Im not saying he can finish the story how he wants it in less years

[idle jacinth]

Nothing in the series has actually gone as long as he wants it to, its always been twice, sometimes thrice as long lol. Again, the nature of the monster he has created

[distant chasm]

Im saying he can finish the story in less years if need be. And unfortunately that would require rushing and probably writing things he isnt as proud of. Its unfortunate, but it happens with many stories

[hazy crater]

I kinda prefer no ending over an unsatisfying rushed ending

[sonic inlet]

me too

[ruby vessel]

this already started, if Oda did everything he wanted to do, we might still be in Wano

[distant chasm]

would much rather a rushed ending over no ending personally. But regardless many mangaka end up having to somewhat rush to the end of their story for whatever reasons

we just cant assume Oda is immune to those reasons that come up

but we should hope he isnt affected

[idle jacinth]

I dont think that comparison works at all, because many of those mangaka keep on going till they crash and burn

[distant chasm]

what

[ruby vessel]

Well thats not great

[distant chasm]

its not a comparison. its stating that this is a common thing because mangaka are human

[idle jacinth]

They dont care for themselves, you dont see them taking breaks, you dont see Shueisha allowing them breaks either

[distant chasm]

Oda is human. Youre thinking the story ends 2037. The dude might get too tired at 2030 and realize he needs to rush it a bit

[distant chasm]

and you'd be naive to think this is how things will always work lol

[ruby vessel]

If theres no ending then we know the worst has happened so pls no

Oda wont just stop writing

[distant chasm]

Its not all peaches and rainbows and mangaka always get to write it exactly how they want it. Sometimes someone is tired or sick

and no one is hoping for that

Im just saying people should understand thats something to be worried about

[idle jacinth]

Oda's actually had his crash already, it was during Dressrosa when he was suddenly hospitalized and he has only taken care of himself since then. I dont think the comparison applies to him, because he's already operating differently than them

[distant chasm]

so arsal do you think people only can get 1 crash in their life

[idle jacinth]

no?

[fluid creek]

very true, i havent heard of him being crazy sick in a while

[distant chasm]

so then that doesnt matter. The dude could crash again

[idle jacinth]

Okay laww

the world could end too

[ruby vessel]

Crash Bandicoot

[idle jacinth]

this is pointless

[hazy crater]

Of course I don't want that to happen but what I'm saying is I'd rather him take as many breaks as necessary and focus on his health and not rush the story just to wrap it up early, no matter how long it takes, but that's probably not what he himself wants

[distant chasm]

its not pointless. I told you the point. You're just being naive

[ruby vessel]

Definitely hope he does that

[idle jacinth]

I am not, I am not saying that everything will go perfectly right

I am just saying that Oda seems to be comfortable in his position, and he has not even expressed the desire to end the series in a long time

[distant chasm]

And if you understand that. You should understand it isnt as easy as "hmmm well oda hasnt been sick in a while and a rushed ending would be bad...nothing to worry about then"

[idle jacinth]

?????

[ruby vessel]

Im not saying the story cant go another 10 years but if its less I dont think its gonna be bad

[idle jacinth]

Literally didnt say any of that

[distant chasm]

yes you think oda who youve never met is comfortable. Maybe he is. You also think the story is lasting another 11 years

do you think being comfortable now means we can be confident he's comfortable for the next 11 years

[idle jacinth]

Laww this is so strange, what am I, a wizard?

what are you expecting me to do, look into the future?

[distant chasm]

there's nothing strange you're dodging a pretty basic question. You think you can be confident in his ability to make this work because "he's comfortable"

Im explaining that in a story you expect could last another 11 years or maybe more

it really doesnt tell us much

[idle jacinth]

I have already answered the question, I didnt say everything will go perfectly right

theres no guarantees on anything

thats very besides the point lol

[distant chasm]

You are acting as if because hes "comfortable" there are no real concerns of the story being rushed even a little bit

[distant chasm]

can't screenshot, but this and the messages below it are the kind of thing Im talking about

[idle jacinth]

Oda straight up told the readers to stop worrying about when it is going to end because it will not end out of nowhere, that was his last comment on the length of the series.

It goes without saying that he too is not saying ''I can see the future and there will not be any unfortunate circumstances getting in the way of it'', he's indicating that he's moving along to the end and at this current pace, it will come to its natural conclusion at some point

[ruby vessel]

Right now I think a 2033 ending can be not rushed

[rugged spade]

what is that 200 chapters?

[distant chasm]

Yes, he currently / whenever he made that comment didnt want his fans to assume he'd be rushing the ending or that the story was ending too soon. That just doesnt mean the story couldn't end quicker than you believe. Especially when you think it's lasting another decade and oda is human too

[rugged spade]

thats like 3 long arcs, very reasonable

[split crow]

we're all gonna be in around our early 30s or middle aged by the time OP ends lulz

[ruby vessel]

Yeah around that

[distant chasm]

and there's always levels to rushing. Maybe a 2033 ending is more rushed than oda would like, but you can do it in a way where it doesnt come off as rushed

[idle jacinth]

late 2022, but yeah youre putting these words in my mouth again lol

theres literally no way to predict these unfortunate circumstances that could change things

[distant chasm]

which is my point. The estimates and statements you're making completely ignores that. You make it seem like the story couldnt end when other people are saying as if those things arent factors

[distant chasm]

example

[idle jacinth]

I shouldnt have to say what goes without saying

[distant chasm]

it does not go without saying. So yes you probably have to say that when your other statements make it seem like you don't see those factors

[idle jacinth]

it does actually, because again, none of us are wizards

[distant chasm]

like this statement does not make it seem like you acknowledge how within 11 years, or 15 years from 2022, we have no clue what could happen and there's an unfortunate pattern with other mangaka having an issue after a while

[idle jacinth]

I can only judge based on the current circumstances, and hope for the best, like I did a few dozen messages before the message you keep on replying to

[distant chasm]

It doesnt because Im not a wizard and nor is anyone else here but people were still capable of mentioning these factors and acknowledging how the story could end earlier if needed

[idle jacinth]

just keep on replying to that, I am sure it will prove you right

[idle jacinth]

HOPEFULLY NOT

[distant chasm]

What kind of copout is that😭 . Its two separate messages I replied to because Im showing you statements you made. And you've not made a rebuttal either. If those statements are things you believe I dont see the issue

[idle jacinth]

literally where this statrted from

[distant chasm]

Im aware, and you've made other statements which I have disagreed with

[idle jacinth]

yeah, I dont think Oda's capable of doing it in the time that many of y'all are suggesting lol, thats all

BARRING

unfortunate circumstances

is that better

[distant chasm]

Yes it is. Because now you've acknowledged the factors other people are considering. Kinda the main point being presented as to why it would possibly end earlier too

[idle jacinth]

I acknowledged it several times Laww but keep going anyways

[distant chasm]

No not really

[idle jacinth]

it was the very first thing I acknowledged, in fact

[distant chasm]

If the people you're talking to are saying hey maybe this story ends a bit earlier because of issues that come up etc, and your answer is nah bro story can't end that quick. It makes it seem like you don't understand the issue. But you made a new statement that I find a bit more agreeable anyway

[idle jacinth]

cmon man

I know what I said

Laww youre addicted to this arguments thing, this has gotta be unhealthy

[distant chasm]

I know what you said to. And when i reply to it you'll act like it's an issue. The screenshots you are sending also do not change the point. "I understand" but you still make it seem like the story couldnt go that way

[slim olive]

Disastrous background

[idle jacinth]

I like green

[distant chasm]

You get in arguments all the same. Not sure what you think will come from this

[idle jacinth]

I havent ever gotten into arguments about arguments with anyone outside of you laww

This is the 3rd time where I have had to repost the exact words I have said to prove that I have said what I am saying now

[distant chasm]

1. Lie
2. takes 2 people to have that argument. You're the one trying to make it about you not saying this

[idle jacinth]

and all 3 times have involved you

[distant chasm]

how unfortunate for you that you've had to defend your point

[queen coral]

Kiwami colored background, but anyways i get the idea of what Arsal is saying, Oda wont be able to end it in a satisfying way without going for another like 8-12 years

[idle jacinth]

I am arguing about me saying what I actually said, this is unfortunate indeed

[queen coral]

So unless Oda willingly made the series worse to end it faster it's gonna be a long while before it ends

[idle jacinth]

but yes thank you avery

[distant chasm]

ive showed you what you said. You going to get screenshots of other things you've said that still doesnt change my point isn't really my problem.

If other people don't call out points then thats on them

[idle jacinth]

I think there are other highs you can get

[queen coral]

Which is possible but I dont think Oda will go for rushing it unless he goes through another really bad health situation which makes him think he has to finish it quick

[distant chasm]

Yes and we will all hope he doesnt get to the point where he felt the need to rush it in an unsatisfying way. Hopefully we will get another decasde or whatever it takes

[idle jacinth]

Anyways the point I was making there is that if things stay as they are right now, its virtually impossible for any of these lower end estimates to work out. This series is a monster, and Oda's never ever ever ever ever ever managed to contain it in the time that he has wanted it to

[queen coral]

I don't think he's gonna rush too hard unless he thinks he's gonna die within a few years or something of equal severity, but yes it's not necessarily impossible

I just dont think Oda plans to rush the series until he gets to that point

and that's only if he ever ends up in that situation

[distant chasm]

I wouldnt know how he handles health issues or fatigue. But there's just an unfortunate pattern with mangaka having to rush their endings due to things like that. So I dont think Oda is immune to that especially if we're expect a decade or more is needed to end this.

I will of course hope for no issues and he's able to take his time. But that realistically should be a concern for the fans

[idle jacinth]

Oda thought he'd gather up the crew in a year, dead wrong.
Oda thought the series could end in 10 years at the start, dead wrong.
Oda thought he'd get to Thriller Bark in a year or so when he went to Kohei Tanaka to work on Bink's Sake, dead wrong, took him for 4 or 5 years instead.
Oda thought he could get to Wano in 2017, dead wrong.
This list could have like 6 or 7 more points from the Jump Festa statements alone tbh, you get the idea

the point isnt about unfortunate circumstances that might interrupt it ofc

the point is that if things stay as they are, I dont think Oda is capable of ending the series as soon as he'd like to or people would like him to

and even he himself is aware of it, thats why his last statement was telling the readers to PLEASE stop worrying about when its gonna end because it can only end when it ends

[queen coral]

I think it's a concern yes, but that's something I'm not really gonna worry about too much unless he gets hospitalized again, because I don't think Oda will try to rush things until he's practically forced to. I won't deny the possibility of it happening though

[idle jacinth]

''I hope you will relax and read it with ease'' guess what, the fans are booking your demise already

[sonic inlet]

Oda loves this series a lot, he's very passionate about it. I'm sure he's aware of his lifespan and how long it'll take him to finish it.

[distant chasm]

But thats what Im saying. Fatigue for an author writing a several decade long story is to be expected. And there is a pattern of mangaka getting sick. It is also normal to be worried about someone being hospitalized before they're actually hospitalized.

When many manga have had to end early for health related reasons. And then you see hey one piece is probably lasting over another decade, its a normal concern to have that damn I hope nothing affects Oda's ability to keep going at his current pace

[queen coral]

It's a possibility of course, it's happened with mangaka even only in their 30's, but I don't worry about things like that until they're undeniably happening because it's just unnecessary worry and stress in my opinion

[idle jacinth]

like I said, the indicators are positive in regards to his health

[proven quiver]

I want Oda to take that trip around the world with his wife

[idle jacinth]

I dont think its worth speculating about it

[distant chasm]

Then that is up to you. But I think it is normal to worry about things like that. I believe someone would be kidding themself to assume oda will be perfectly fine forever so long as the manga is still going on. Its not really a stressor that impacts my life. its just like yea damn thats a long way to go, I hope he's able to make it there without any issues

[idle jacinth]

His latest statement was him straight up saying ''I will be taking the liberty of maintaining my own health as I have aged unfortunately''. I think thats a sign worth being optimistic about

[queen coral]

and I can see why it's a concern, I'm not denying that. This is more of me just saying that I personally prefer to deal with things like that when they happen instead of worrying about it much ahead of time

[rugged spade]

is oda still chainsmoking and not getting enough sleep?

[queen coral]

Again I get it lol

[rugged spade]

japanese mfs are too workaholics

[tawdry star]

he last said that like 12 years ago so i’d assume he’s changed

[distant chasm]

Health really isnt a story component where we can go based on narrative indicators and whatnot. He can have said hey Im doing good in 2022. Really means nothing for 2026 let alone 2037

[idle jacinth]

He's aware of his limitations, he's aware of what he needs to be doing. This is from December 2025, and he was talking about this current year

[spiral glen]

frfr they should be more like the spanish

[rugged spade]

real

[idle jacinth]

this was a long time ago, before he even adopted the 4 chapters and a break schedule

[distant chasm]

Yes I believe thats fine for you to personally do. In a general sense I think fans should be concerned with it. Thats not me saying Im trying to force you to be. If you personally live in such a way where you dont worry about things until they happen, then sure, that's your own view of things which is fine

[proven quiver]

I remmeberhe took toriyama's death hard

[rugged spade]

how old was tori when he died

[sonic inlet]

we had a whole month break because of it

[tawdry star]

he started putting more emphasis on his health after that i think

[idle jacinth]

he did yeah, he has been taking health related breaks very often since then

[proven quiver]

He was 68

[idle jacinth]

talked about focusing on his health many times

[rugged spade]

wonder what measures he is taking

[split crow]

being a workaholic does not do him much favors

[tawdry star]

going on walks, breaks, doing stuff that isn’t working, with his family (hopefully) etc

[rugged spade]

bro should have access to world class dietitians and fitness trainers

[tawdry star]

he still goes out to concerts and such every so often

[queen coral]

Not surprising really you can see toriyama's influence on Oda through one piece

Most mangaka in general were influenced by Tori but Oda was one of the most so it's no surprise it would hit him hard

[sonic inlet]

how old is Oda now?

[queen coral]

Like 51 I think

Somewhere in his early 50's

[tawdry star]

51 seems right

i hope he’s managed to spend time with his family on his off days

[queen coral]

He probably has

[proven quiver]

I personally don’t think he will be drawing Op for ten more years

[sonic inlet]

One Piece going for another decade wouldn’t surprise me

[tawdry star]

duality of something or other

[distant chasm]

It probably could last another decade at this pace

[queen coral]

I think the series is going for like 8-9 more years

[rugged spade]

ngl with imu fully revealed, 10 years seem to be a stretch

[proven quiver]

I think that we are right on the doorstep of the end

[distant chasm]

now does he have the energy to do it that long who knows

[tawdry star]

i’d rather it go for like 3-5 years more but yeah 10 is possible

i’m kinda ready for one piece to end lol

[hazy crater]

3 is barely over 100 chapters

[distant chasm]

I think the issue is just whenever we think of time/chapters things always feel shorter than they are

[proven quiver]

And we will get Hinokizu, emperors, Laugh Tale, finale after Elbaf

[sonic inlet]

3 is quite literally impossible

[distant chasm]

like how many years have people been saying one piece will end in 7 years lol

like Im pretty sure people we're syaing story ends in 7 years 7 years ago

[rugged spade]

yeah true i think the accurate way of phrasing it should be in number of chapters

[tawdry star]

i think it could be done but it’s unlikely

[queen coral]

Yeah 3-5 isnt feasible

Even if Oda was rushing I think 3 years would be impossible

[proven quiver]

Final saga has already turned into two sagas

[distant chasm]

also yea, more breaks means more time per chapter. So the years is really the longer part

how many chapters we could predict better maybe

[tawdry star]

i’d say 150 more

[distant chasm]

just wait til we get to final war and there's a crazy 3 month break

[tawdry star]

but i also have a small scope for what’s left

[queen coral]

I think 250-300 more

[sonic inlet]

I can see that

[tawdry star]

i’m more used to reading shorter manga so my expectations on length are a lot different

[proven quiver]

Two hundred ish chapters

[queen coral]

because I'm assuming the final arc is gonna be even longer than all of Wano

[hazy crater]

250 is the bare minimum imo

[tawdry star]

there’s a lot you can do in 150 chaps

[distant chasm]

I mean its also difficult because we always underestimate how long every arc is lol

[sonic inlet]

Agreed

[proven quiver]

Idk I thought we had five years left after Wano

[queen coral]

because it's gonna have way more characters than even Wano

[distant chasm]

how long is elbaf so far. Im sure its already longer than many people thought it'd be

[tawdry star]

almost 60 chaps

[idle jacinth]

I mean that was really only because we were convinced that Oda was not lying

[tawdry star]

i think 60 was around what people expected

40-60

[distant chasm]

maybe but I bet you plenty of peole thought like idk 40 chapters

[idle jacinth]

I disregard all Wano estimates, you didnt have the hindsight to tell that he was lying

[distant chasm]

meanwhile at this rate we're getting like 80 for elbaf

[proven quiver]

Faaark I want Laugh Tale arc

[queen coral]

I was expecting 70 chapters of Elbaf

[tawdry star]

80 is definitely more than i expected

i thought around 50

[idle jacinth]

Elbas is exactly 58 chapters, only 42 more to go till it hits my estimate

[distant chasm]

yea 50 is probably what people thought

[proven quiver]

Definitely thought Elbaf was a pitstop but I guess we have to fight the big bad

[distant chasm]

and no one knew we'd have an egghead arc

so things are always longer than we guess

[tawdry star]

i think we vaguely expected something like it

[idle jacinth]

which yknow, its looking quite likely...

[tawdry star]

we knew we needed a vegapunk arc

[idle jacinth]

We definitely didnt, and I dont think so

[distant chasm]

I dont think people we're sure that is its own arc

[queen coral]

but now it's probably up to 85-90 because of flashbacks

[tawdry star]

yeah fair

[distant chasm]

People knew we had to meet vegapunk. I dont think people thought hey we'll get to an arc pre elbaf surrounding vegapunk

[idle jacinth]

we didnt even know where VP could be lol, many thought he was like a final war Franky boss battle lol

we didnt know anything lmao

[proven quiver]

Oda just realized he couldn’t jump straight into final arc stuff and that he needed hundreds of chapters just to set up the final battles

[idle jacinth]

I think he was just lying

[distant chasm]

if anything I wouldve guessed maybe vegapunk is in like the elbaf or lodestar arc

[proven quiver]

Franky beating up Vegapunk peak

[tawdry star]

maybe it was just me then

[queen coral]

I didnt think we'd get basically a whole arc about him

[idle jacinth]

Greg put it pretty well, its all a marketing stunt by Shueisha anytime they throw around a timeline

[ruby vessel]

I also said Vegapunk arc

[proven quiver]

Egghead is also more of a final war foundation arc than just Vegapunk

[distant chasm]

Yea, that arc pretty much had all things no one expected we had to get through besides meeting vegapunk

[proven quiver]

Same with Elbaf

[idle jacinth]

and he'd know, given that he works for them

[tawdry star]

granted no one expected the god valley incident to be covered in elbaf of all places

[ruby vessel]

100 chapters Elbaf

[proven quiver]

It is why I am okay with how he inserted God Valley in Elbaf. He has way too much shit to get through.

[idle jacinth]

The idea of giving out a crazy number like 5 years was to shock the readers into jumping onto One Piece, and it did work to some extent

[distant chasm]

well yea. I just mean that this is an arc people didnt assume was necessary. The only aspect that was NECESSARY was meeting vegapunk

[hazy crater]

Oda make Elbaf longer than Dressrosa and my life is yours

[ruby vessel]

Oda is a clout chaser

[distant chasm]

otherwise fans were thinking story ends without pretty much all of egghead ever happening

[tawdry star]

was dressrosa 100

[hazy crater]

102

[idle jacinth]

yeah it was

[queen coral]

Yes

[ruby vessel]

Yes

[tawdry star]

holy

[queen coral]

Dressrosa is the 2nd longest arc too

[idle jacinth]

he is yeah

[proven quiver]

Elbaf being more than half as long as Dressrosa but not feeling like it

[tawdry star]

all of your hopes and dreams rest on the existence of the heaven realm

[idle jacinth]

Elbaf will be the 2nd longest arc for sure

[queen coral]

So if Elbaf surpasses Dressrosa it'll be the 2nd longest arc

[spiral glen]

make elbaf twice as long as wano+onigashima oda and im yours

[tawdry star]

300 chapter elbaf

[idle jacinth]

its pretty likely at this point

[ruby vessel]

Its weird because Elbaf isnt even 60 chapters still

[proven quiver]

If it was longer than Wano I might actually kill Oda

[queen coral]

Everything is bigger in Elbaf including the chapter count

[ruby vessel]

But it feels like it could get 100

[tawdry star]

my bingo said elbaf would be shorter than 60 chaps

[queen coral]

lmao

[distant chasm]

I dont see how elbaf could possibly pass wano

[tawdry star]

i have two more to go

[proven quiver]

I reserve that for Laugh Tale and final war

[idle jacinth]

I am starting to wonder if by the time we hit 100, I have to reconsider Shuron's take

[spiral glen]

yeah but we saw so little of it yet bc of legolands and the flashbacks

[distant chasm]

elbaf should be like 80-90 atp

[idle jacinth]

which is yes, that it will be longer than Wano

[queen coral]

If it surpasses Wano's length I'm crashing out

[ruby vessel]

Why is he saying it will go longer than Wano

[distant chasm]

now thats something I dont think is worth worrying about thats like impossible lol

[idle jacinth]

I am as confused as you are YC

[spiral glen]

then make loadestar twice as long as elbaf which will be twice as long as wano

[ruby vessel]

Shuron keeps saying it but I always forget the reason

[tawdry star]

exponential one piece

[idle jacinth]

but I think we comfortably hit the 90s and likely the 100s is where it ends

[split crow]

with how the story is going, it doesn't really give off the vibe of ending soon, even with Imu forcing everyone to in a survival game of running the clock down.

[queen coral]

It should be impossible yes, so I try not to worry but if it did happen I for sure would not happy

[distant chasm]

loadstar has the 20 chapter BB flashback and then the 10 chapter Buggy flashback and then the

[tawdry star]

this feels like the climax to me

[idle jacinth]

Lodestar will be the first ever arc that we're actually right about being short

[split crow]

at this point, I 100% believe we're going to pass Dressrosa to be the second longest arc in the series.

[queen coral]

The flashbacks are gonna be the real reason the series drags out for so long

[distant chasm]

I dont see what could be dragged for it to hit above 105 or whatever dressrosa is

[tawdry star]

the knights and imu are wreaking havoc (on a timer) and luffy and co have to beat them in a final gambit

[spiral glen]

Yeah, it's probably going to be like mock town