1184-spoilers-2

[idle jacinth]

It very firmly is no longer the climax now, I know people were doubting me before but its super clearly not the climax now

[ruby vessel]

it really hinges on what the skyworld is

[distant chasm]

like yes theres more to go, but all the main fights are pretty much set up. We're just waiting to see how long the brook flashback is, and after that we can go through these fights, have Vivi show up to save the day, and we're good

[idle jacinth]

we're still setting up the secondary battles right now

[queen coral]

The climax is probably Luffy fighting Imu

[tawdry star]

it really all depends on the heaven realm

[queen coral]

This god damn heaven realm

[ruby vessel]

without it will be 80 with it could be anything over 100

[tawdry star]

that’s only been mentioned and alluded to once…

[spiral glen]

imagine living in loadestar though 💀 life must be lonely there

[idle jacinth]

Loki v Imu's stopped at a stalemate, Qilingham and Sommers havent even locked up with their opponents yet, Gunko's a block of ice

[split crow]

The Heavenly Realm is a giant loose end that practically needs to be addressed, thats why I said there's no vibe of this clash with Imu being the climax. That part is a major reason why that is.

[rugged spade]

when do yall think we will get info on how imu's powers work?

[ruby vessel]

Oda could just decide to show another characters flashback

[velvet wharf]

there is no stalemate

[distant chasm]

heaven realm is for the party after 🎊

[tawdry star]

next arc

[rugged spade]

in this arc or maybe in future arcs?

[tawdry star]

jarul flashback next

[spiral glen]

next chapter 🗣️

[idle jacinth]

well Imu has decided to kill Loki now

[rugged spade]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-gif-20750597

[distant chasm]

I mean I think we'll gradually learn more and more. We'll learn more this arc, but we wont know the lore of it til a future arc

[tawdry star]

oda will keep doing flashbacks until we hit 100 chapters

[distant chasm]

after brook flashback is the biblo flashback I fear

[idle jacinth]

We cut off right before, so that when the flashback ends, he'll wrap it up quickly

[ruby vessel]

I would want to see 300 years ago

[idle jacinth]

he will

[queen coral]

Flashbacks are gonna be like 30% of the remaining length of the series

[hazy crater]

The Ragnir flashback will be the saddest flashback in one piece

[rugged spade]

i just wanna know how it works

like his powers look cool ig, but i still need to know how they work to actually appreciate them

[idle jacinth]

Jarul's going to get a flashback, Biblo's going to get a small Emeth like flashback, Loki's going to get a flashback

[tawdry star]

we're getting both powercliffing AND sadnesscliffing

[distant chasm]

yea I dont think we will know lore of it til later. But maybe we could learn mechanics of it in this arc or soon after

[ruby vessel]

itll be Scrat in Ice Age

[queen coral]

I'm tired boss

[distant chasm]

Jarul flashback would acc be watching paint dry

[idle jacinth]

dont be

literally all peak

[ruby vessel]

oh I forgot the 2nd Loki flashback lol

[idle jacinth]

hating for no reason, Jarul's great

[rugged spade]

yeah i want the mechanics

[tawdry star]

this is the only one we actually need to see

[rugged spade]

lore can be saved for later

[tawdry star]

im not letting oda leave elbaf without seeing the lola and loki flashback

[spiral glen]

then we're getting flashbacks for each holyknight

[distant chasm]

jarul flashback is actually the last thing we need to waste chapters on. Unless its a "jarul" flashback the way the previous flashback was a loki flashback

[spiral glen]

[queen coral]

Jarul flashback is good if there's a Noland cameo

[ruby vessel]

genuinely the only flashback we really thought we would be seeing here

[idle jacinth]

We're gonna see his early life when he's about to die, and its gonna be our look into what the giant pirates historically were like, what made them the most terrifying beings on the entire planet

[tawdry star]

the sommers flashback will go hard

10 chapters

[ruby vessel]

^

[distant chasm]

insert gif of paint drying

[spiral glen]

sommers flashback will be peak fiction

[idle jacinth]

I'd give it 3-4 chapters personally

[ruby vessel]

Noland saw Jarul being born

Like Harald saw Neptune being born

[spiral glen]

Noland gave birth to jarul

[idle jacinth]

there might not be... but it depends on how loosely Oda wants to use that 400 years timeline

[tawdry star]

i hope we see jew wall in the noland flashback

[ruby vessel]

so glue

[distant chasm]

Jarul flashback is good if most of it is following a character whos not jarul (or jorul)

[spiral glen]

he was the pregnantest of men

[ruby vessel]

lol we still need Louis Arnote where is his ass

[queen coral]

Can Hajrudin just yank that sword out of his head already so I can be right about him using Harald's sword

[tawdry star]

louis arnot might genuinely be one of my most hated characters

[ruby vessel]

Louis Arnote, Jew Wall and Willy Galon

[queen coral]

Vagueposting demon

[idle jacinth]

I think its gonna be a very Elbaf centred flashback, we'll get Jarul, Jorul, Dorry, Brogy, Harald and more

[sonic inlet]

Me too

[velvet wharf]

we can finally agree elbaf is not usopps arc right

[tawdry star]

if i see him in this flashback like arsal says then he better get a horrific death

[idle jacinth]

DO NOT insert the paint dry gif smh

[sonic inlet]

back when it was announce OP was going to it’s “final arc” I argued a lot about us needing a Vegapunk arc and an Elbaph one

[queen coral]

I forgot Jorul is a person too

Like yeah that guy exists

[ruby vessel]

Jorul Joestar

[tawdry star]

jorul flashback

[distant chasm]

insert gif of printer printing out blank pieces of paper

[tawdry star]

what if jorul isnt dead

[idle jacinth]

heavily lore-based as well

[polar chasm]

Ayo ussop

[spiral glen]

oda needs to give us some wakainu flashback

[ruby vessel]

[queen coral]

Jorul shows up with a sword in his head as well

[tawdry star]

peak fakeout

he faked his death at the hands of big mom because he HATED that kid

[distant chasm]

Will accept a flashback if it gives lore we care about. atp I know enough about how the giants live and whatnot. I dont need a jarul flashback just to show me jarul and jorul beating up some fodder and being big men

[queen coral]

Where's Big Mom in Elbaf truthers at now

[tawdry star]

the big mom bet better end with elbaf

[ruby vessel]

I think this will happen for 1 chapter

[proven quiver]

No whoslopp in Elbaf

[distant chasm]

I dont think those exist anymore

[tawdry star]

one still does

[sonic inlet]

LOL no you don’t

[ruby vessel]

Skelemom soon

shes the villain of Elbaf Act 2

[velvet wharf]

its kinda crazy we had a chapter titled over jaruls love for older women

[queen coral]

I thought Adam was still a believer in it

[distant chasm]

oh idk maybe

[queen coral]

but I might be wrong

[spiral glen]

big moms gonna come in clutch yelling weddingu caku

[tawdry star]

oda getting silly with it

[distant chasm]

katakuri will come to elbaf

[tawdry star]

both big mom and kaido are coming

its the wano act 3 we've all wanted

[prime sundial]

Get ready for another flashback once this brook flashback ends

[queen coral]

Katakuri doing something would be cool

doing anything

[rugged spade]

oda about to claim another mother

[tawdry star]

what if smoothie comes to elbaf

[rugged spade]

Brutal

[distant chasm]

katakuri was supposed to be the next WB but Oda still has things to learn

[spiral glen]

mother flame is luffys mother

[queen coral]

Mega peak because Oda finally figured out her role in the story

[tawdry star]

this time itll just be the father rather than the mother

[rugged spade]

everyone thinks she will be evil

[queen coral]

I feel like he's too old for that though, he's already pushing 50 as is

[rugged spade]

expectations will be supremely subverted

[distant chasm]

hey his mama was prime at 68 he got a little bit of time

[proven quiver]

Finale of the arc has Imu going atop the Heaven World to summon Uranus and Luffy going up to stop it. Blackbeard simultaneously hits Fishman Island and Wano for Poseidon and Pluton. We see all three ancient weapons going off.

[tawdry star]

i dont know why people got evil vibes from her

[queen coral]

Like he's gonna be old by the time Luffy is even in his 30's

[distant chasm]

YOOO

his epithet: Big brother

[idle jacinth]

3-4

[distant chasm]

so peak

[spiral glen]

Kidd* was supposed to be the next WB but Oda still has things to learn

[queen coral]

Peak

[distant chasm]

no Kidd is next shiki chill

[gloomy bluff]

Vander Cander

Vander Candel

[tawdry star]

no

[gloomy bluff]

🤔

[proven quiver]

Law is Whitebeard. Kid is Kaido.

[distant chasm]

Katakuri was supposed to be the guy equal to luffy that wasnt rlly an enemy but just enjoyed fighting but could be an ally at times

and then oda ruined it like he ruined smoker

[idle jacinth]

Katakuri is the Mr 1 to BM's Mr 0

[distant chasm]

😿

[tawdry star]

tashigi is the smoothie

[spiral glen]

nah I hate what he did to both smoker and tashigi

[queen coral]

We're in a new era of Shiki hate so this might be received as slander now

[idle jacinth]

He'll always play #2 to her

[proven quiver]

Trying to think of why the characters would go to heaven world and I can only see it being where Imu fights escalates to

[queen coral]

Fighting for my life defending Shiki during Harald's flashback

[proven quiver]

Can we see Uranus in this arc maybe?

[queen coral]

or Loki's or whatever you consider it

[distant chasm]

ok sorry thats true. Kid is like the new yonko tho. Like in my head he and Law would be like the next kaido and Big mom

[spiral glen]

give me enough money and you'll see it i guess

[stiff otter]

anyone else think the marines are invading whole cake rn

[tawdry star]

no

[distant chasm]

first funny uranus joke Ive seen

[tawdry star]

thatd be kind of random for them to do when theyre already stretched so thin

[distant chasm]

marines cant do anything ngl

[tawdry star]

many such cases

[queen coral]

Marines can never do shit

[proven quiver]

Hello, Human Resources

[sonic inlet]

again, you’re overestimating how much this arc will do

[queen coral]

They've been stretched thin for like 400 chapters

[stiff otter]

well the gorosei said the admirals are busy and it would make sense because of the famine in the holy land

[tawdry star]

yeah i shouldve added an allegedly

[ruby vessel]

I mean what important things would we be able to take from that flashback? Galleyla lore?

[proven quiver]

Marines always stretched thing but they always seem to find more shit to do

[idle jacinth]

We're gonna be in the 100s and you'll still be saying this buddy, give up. I've yet to overestimate, I've only underestimated this arc

[distant chasm]

like nothing at all

[tawdry star]

kind of funny the mariejois fire got offscreened

[queen coral]

I need Akainu to just say fuck it and leave the office to do the dirtywork himself

[tawdry star]

like oh yeah shamrock handled it

[distant chasm]

"so jarul was actually really strong" and thats the whole flashback

[proven quiver]

Sakazuki could find One Piece in a year

[stiff otter]

stop underestimating the marines when they literally have va tsuru

[distant chasm]

mind you are the people in the holy land unable to stop a fuckin fire bro

[idle jacinth]

Gallei-La, Giant Pirate history, Oars and Oars Jr, Elbaf's historical connections with the world like say, Noland, I think we could get plenty actually.

[terse flax]

Ffs another flashback

[hazy crater]

Why are you acting like it isn't peak

[queen coral]

They needed Shamrock to handle a single fire

[ruby vessel]

Akainu leaves his desk and starts the One Piece journey and we keep getting a countdown starting with 1 year until Akainu finds the One Piece

[sonic inlet]

we’re not getting another long flashback after this one buddy

[ruby vessel]

the doomsday clock

[terse flax]

I’d rather continue seeing imu and Loki over brooks past

Now I gotta wait like 5-10 weeks for ts

[queen coral]

There's just a constant ominous timer of Akainu approaching

[terse flax]

[hazy crater]

Just be patient

[proven quiver]

We will cut back to Loki being defeated in a few weeks

[ruby vessel]

Isnt this Void Century stuff

[hazy crater]

This is how weekly reading works

[terse flax]

Then dragon pulling up

Trust

Trust

[queen coral]

"48 hours until Akainu arrives"

[ruby vessel]

Aura

[proven quiver]

Ode should draw Akainu Piece one day

[ruby vessel]

Every few chapters end on Akainu killing people in a diner or wildwest environment and getting info on where the One Piece is, being 1 step closer each time

[sonic inlet]

the holy knights are getting defeated, there won’t be no cutaways until the arc is over and we’re not getting another multi chapter flashback

[proven quiver]

In the end he uses the ancient weapons to destroy the new world like Z or something

[idle jacinth]

No? Jarul is only 416 years old

[ruby vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-titan-incredibles-titan-incredibles-meme-the-incredibles-meme-gif-24953428

[idle jacinth]

We're getting 2 actually

[ruby vessel]

Im talking about Oars and why Elbaf is the way it is today

[idle jacinth]

Oars was around 500 years ago and I imagine he lived a giant's average lifespan

[ruby vessel]

Well if its the Oars lore

then sure

[idle jacinth]

smh

I'm super interested in the giant pirates lore too

[sonic inlet]

no we’re not lmao

[sonic inlet]

@idle jacinth

[idle jacinth]

They're all cool characters, you guys have just gotta stop worrying about how long this is gonna go and enjoy the ride

[ruby vessel]

Oda normally doesnt show that unless theres something important that I might not know about

[idle jacinth]

There's no use thinking "oh we only have so much time"

[ruby vessel]

Like yeah we wont just see Jarul and Jorul beat up people for 3-4 chapters

its not even about time

[sonic inlet]

Arsal is just delusional sometimes

[idle jacinth]

There's been multiple teases to the history of the giant pirates throughout the arc, and across the whole series

[ruby vessel]

Ok but you specified Jarul

We would probably see more from others

[idle jacinth]

Yes, because he's the beginning of this story supposedly

[ruby vessel]

Isnt that the god of war himself

Elbaf

It didnt just start 300 years ago

[idle jacinth]

He couldn't have been a pirate

[ruby vessel]

Were Jarul and Jorul the first giant pirates?

[queen coral]

Dozan was probably a king im guessing

[idle jacinth]

Earliest we know of atleast

[queen coral]

I dont think he was a pirate

[ruby vessel]

I imagine there were different ones 400 years before them

[queen coral]

Assuming Dozan is the previous Nidhogg user

[ruby vessel]

I kinda imagined new giant pirates every 100 years

[queen coral]

The giants' contact with the outside world before 400 years ago and after 800 years ago is pretty much completely unknown

[warped radish]

Oars I think died right before Jarul and Jorel were around

[queen coral]

Do we know if Oars even came from Elbaf

[warped radish]

Idk about that

[idle jacinth]

We got a tease on the sword that Harald has, we got a tease about Jarul's prime from Hajrudin, his love for older women, Shamrock talked about the era where the giant pirates conquered the New World, Harald's flashback noted that they were the most feared creatures 100+ years ago and that Dorry and Brogy were childhood besties with Harald, there's been a lot and I think we're going to properly get into Jarul's life

And through it, the past 416 years of the giants

And at the same time, teases of the before too

I don't think this is an unreasonable take

I think we're all expecting Jarul to die, so before he goes, we're simply going to get into his story for maybe 3-4 chapters. It'll be sick

[ruby vessel]

Like I said if theres something important to show then sure I just down know what it would be rn

[idle jacinth]

Like I said, not one instance of me overestimating Oda this arc

I've underestimated what we're going to get a few times, on the contrary

[proven quiver]

I love Oda

[idle jacinth]

No God Valley, Loki v Imu won't be long, Harald flashback won't exceed 10 chapters, etc

[proven quiver]

Imu dies in this arc

Now I am overestimating

[idle jacinth]

If I was overestimating him I'd have not gotten that wrong

Yeah no 😭

[proven quiver]

He will get beaten back by Luffy and Loki and his time limit runs out. He returns to the holy land shaking and tired. And who does he say waiting for him in the flower room?

Zehahaha

[idle jacinth]

I think the teases are leading to something, and it'll be important to the arc and the history of the giants

[idle jacinth]

Top 3 things that'll never happen

[proven quiver]

But it is a top thing

[queen coral]

You know a user in here has unironically predicted this before

or said this would or could happen

[ruby vessel]

I imagined this too lol

[ruby vessel]

wait aura?

was it me

[queen coral]

No

[idle jacinth]

I mean if Oda wants to end the series in 5 years then it's pretty effective in chopping down the length

[ruby vessel]

no aura...

[queen coral]

I actually forgot who it was but it wasnt you

[idle jacinth]

But it'll be horrendous so

[sullen echo]

Why has 1183 not been released here on discord?

[proud rune]

do u guys know hwen the next chapter si releaseing

[sullen echo]

I dont see it in announcements. Or am I completely blind. But reddit seems to say it’s out.

[proud rune]

r u in pst?

[proven quiver]

I do think this happens eventually but probably not yet lol

[hazy crater]

If you mean 1183 it's releasing officially tomorrow

There are already scans out but we can't share them here

[proven quiver]

Oda beating Imu here would be crazy though

[hazy crater]

Check #announcements

[proud rune]

ohh

[sullen echo]

Ah, shit. Im in JST atm. On holiday. That might be why im confused about it. Sorry!

[proud rune]

why do they not ping people when the summary comes out liek usual?

[ruby vessel]

Because its illegal

[hazy crater]

Because we don't post the spoilers here anymore, people are free to discuss them here but they're gonna have to find them by themselves

[fathom escarp]

no piracy allowed in our pirate manga server 😭

[hazy crater]

We don't want to anger Imu (shueisha's lawyers)

[proud rune]

igbr

cna someone check adn see what pirate crew im in?

[pliant sorrel]

none

[proud rune]

hwo do u join one

[pliant sorrel]

#role-menu

[idle jacinth]

Coming back to this, I think the answer is actually somewhere in the middle

I can't see the arc going longer than 125 chapters

Its a nice middle ground between 100 and 150

What are we thinking @barren marsh

[idle jacinth]

Well I'm not gonna say that for sure actually

Truly too difficult to tell, beyond that it'll be longer than Dressrosa

[finite linden]

hajrudin will pull the sword out of his head and it'll be like king arthur pulling the excalibur

[idle jacinth]

I agree actually

[finite linden]

i mean that is supposedly a legendary sword and its there for a reason, it could've been any of the swords harald was flinging around and not THE ONE

[idle jacinth]

Hajrudin has sword training, we saw that in BM's flashback. He just never has a sword but that sword will rightfully belong to him as I'm sure Harald would've wanted

[finite linden]

iirc he used a sword in dressrosa before he lost to luffy

[idle jacinth]

I don't believe so, he punched him and thought he had crushed him entirely

Not aware that he's rubber

[finite linden]

oh ye nvm hajrudin just had a shield

with the cross moline

[idle jacinth]

Yup, there's some lore to it that we're not aware of

Oh yeah I do remember a shield

Also, Imu wanted Dorry and Brogy to behead Jarul to signify his victory, I'm sure Imu's gonna try that himself this time

[finite linden]

i dont think imu even cares about that at this point

imu wanted elbaph on his team cause they were fated to assist nika, but nika is here already

[idle jacinth]

Maybe not atm, but a beheading would make pulling out the sword much easier and Jarul is the de facto king

[finite linden]

[idle jacinth]

Imu did ask who was the king again when he showed up

Jarul fits that position atm, so if he were to reveal that to Imu hoping for the best, I'm sure he'd get killed lol

If Hajrudin pulls out the sword now, he'd bleed to his death which isn't ideal

[uneven vapor]

why am i seeing translated spoiler images on twitter but nothing here

[idle jacinth]

If Jarul's already dead, it makes things a lot easier

[idle jacinth]

#announcements scroll up a little, we've made some changes

[uneven vapor]

oh damn 😭

[finite linden]

but chapter is already out on tcb

the link just isnt posted here anymore

[uneven vapor]

yeah understood

i was confused for a while , i saw some images but came to check for link here and found nothing

[distant chasm]

If oda decides to really cook he'll kill dorry or brogy

[warped radish]

he might kill jarul

not them

[uneven vapor]

[velvet wharf]

yall liked the chapter?

[distant chasm]

this is possible and probably more likely I just think that not many people would care fr

killing dorry or brogy more likely to get fans to care

[warped radish]

yeah but I don't think the fans would even care that much

[distant chasm]

I feel like at least in that case people would think damn those are characters I actually liked fr

[hazy crater]

Unfortunately he had the perfect chance to kill them and didn't so they're ultra safe now

[uneven vapor]

why is jinbe being useless 😭

[distant chasm]

killing jarul is cool and all, just like take away people being performative and barely anyone would care

[uneven vapor]

can jinbe take on zaza mma

[warped radish]

sure

but he's not even close to them

[uneven vapor]

jinbe hanging out as zaza floods elbaf

[uneven vapor]

ye but he should be helping out , straw hats are being useless atm

now franky usopp nami jinbe have gathered for brook backstory

[warped radish]

They trust sanji, zoro, and luffy to deal with em

[uneven vapor]

sure but i want to see more from a former shichibukai

[warped radish]

We all do

He could have beat sommers but he had to fight gunko

[thick needle]

I agree, Zaza seemed like a perfect battle for jimbei

[warped radish]

Zaza will fall for sanji so it's fine

[thick needle]

Ew, boooorrriinnggg

[queen coral]

The problem is the massive distance between places in Elbaf, and the fact that Jinbe is not one of the monster trio so his role in combat will be lesser compared to them for the rest of the series

For the most part at least

[tawdry star]

is there a way for sanji to even physically beat zaza

can’t really kick water

[hazy crater]

He cooks for her

[thick needle]

Technically,no i don't think so . It would be a gag or something that let's him win

[queen coral]

Well Zaza also seems to be a woman so Sanji probably won't even fight it

[warped radish]

Sanji melts her frozen heart

[velvet wharf]

zaza isn't real

sanji is allowed to beat imaginary women

[tawdry star]

real

[velvet wharf]

he can kick light so why not water

[warped radish]

[tawdry star]

the power of love knows no bounds

[warped radish]

zaza will turn on killingham

cause she falls for sanji

sanji wins a heart for the 4th arc in a row

[mellow shell]

i doubt this

[valid scarab]

Is your pfp Orfevre?

[leaden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-soup-ice-soup-poor-fortnite-gif-4546571859048692312

[tawdry star]

yeah

[valid scarab]

https://giphy.com/gifs/umamusume-uma-musume-orfevre-zVZxjb15QMVDXu8HTL

[tawdry star]

good usage of embed authority

[valid scarab]

Obviously Me the most humble mod would know how to use their embed authority the CORRECT way desuwa

[tawdry star]

type shit desuwa

oh wow i actually did have a sticker

[valid scarab]

I was trying to find a sticker but couldn't....

[tawdry star]

mine was in a helios server for some reason

[olive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-natsuki-subaru-subaru-re-zero-natsuki-subaru-re-zero-gif-13843176159109827451

[ebon gale]

Stickers are rad