also-manga

[patent sapphire]

Aramaki not switching nothing

[ashen perch]

its only bullshit if you close your eyes to it

[cloud adder]

Garling #1 for sure

[hasty sable]

Garling is the strongest Gorosei I imagine

[prisma yacht]

Is penny alive

[thin quest]

the Dragon and Akainu flashback is gonna go so hard

[native cloud]

I’m curious where’s Greenbull in all of this nonsense?

[formal wagon]

number 1 what

[prisma yacht]

So glue

[ashen perch]

Garling is #3 after Imu and Nusjuro

[patent sapphire]

Dead

[cloud adder]

summon her with gunko yap

[formal wagon]

topman >

[digital spear]

I hope Nusjuro is the weakest Gorosei tbh

[dapper tree]

Fired or something

[dapper tree]

Would be funny

[prisma yacht]

Oh i hope gunko dies in the next chapter

[native cloud]

Yall funny

[ashen perch]

If you think that Zoro's opponent is going to be anything but the strongest Gorosei, youre in denial

[urban lodge]

What did you just say

[thin quest]

Nusjuro is a brainwashed samurai of Wano

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/nub-nub-cat-silly-cat-kitty-gif-12133323231430499415

[cloud adder]

I just realized Loki is an idiot

[dapper tree]

You just say that no matter what take we have

[deep chasm]

last week we had kidd>xebec now we got sanji vs garling how many crazy takes until you go on the mount rushmore

[patent sapphire]

I forgot the dude is literally called mr topman

[ashen perch]

This is like saying that Zoro can fight Jack during Onigashima (that I too was guilty of admittedly)

[prisma yacht]

Bro scared the shit out of me

[native cloud]

Arsal how is Garling stronger than the pig guy?

[cloud adder]

Imu wasnt able to destroy Loki/Ragnir's ice

[hasty sable]

It’s okay for Nusjuro to be second strongest because Sanji isn’t fighting Garling

[ashen perch]

I have actually been saying Sanji v Garling for a long long time

[deep chasm]

you've been wrong for so long thats tragic

[cloud adder]

Loki/Ragnir shoulda done another ice attack when Imu was pinned in the tree

[ashen perch]

this is the 2nd last if not the very last Zoro fight archer

Shanks is weaker than that Zoro anyways

[dapper tree]

[dapper tree]

Huh

[ashen perch]

like even if you try to justify this with Shanks v Garling

[cloud adder]

wtf.

[hasty sable]

Mihawk is stronger than Nusjuro

[patent sapphire]

Harald's bumass genes kicked in

[prisma yacht]

Baldy

[cloud adder]

CURRENTLY????

[formal wagon]

l*ffy will fight topman

[hasty sable]

So if Nusjuro is after Mihawk it’ll be a mopup

[prisma yacht]

Don't say that again

[dapper tree]

Easy w

[native cloud]

Someone check on Arsal, sumn wrong with her

[ashen perch]

you can cope about Shanks v Mihawk but lets not be in denial about EOS Zoro v Shanks

[cloud adder]

oh thats completely different topic

[patent sapphire]

Again?

[dapper tree]

Something done been wrong for years

[native cloud]

lol

[hasty sable]

EOS Zoro probably close to equal to Shanks

[cloud adder]

post-eos Zoro is stronger than Shanks

[ashen perch]

He'll be comfortably stronger

[deep chasm]

take away the mod role and they join the list of people we say have crazy takes

the mod role has been blinding us from the truth

[cloud adder]

but Zoro we're seeing in the final war wont be stronger than Shanks

[dapper tree]

[prisma yacht]

Damn arsal

[cloud adder]

Shanks right behind Luffy after they fight

[digital spear]

Yeah shes truly strange

[native cloud]

Bruh, I wish Socrates was here to witness this shit

[deep chasm]

bring him back

[dapper tree]

No you don't

[ashen perch]

I really dont think this is a crazy take lol

[dapper tree]

No!

[hasty sable]

Loki gonna be a side character in the Shamrock fight

[cloud adder]

Zoro just learned he has conq's this arc 😭

[native cloud]

It is bruh

[hasty sable]

Doing more than Kid though

[icy wolf]

shamrock>loki

[dapper tree]

Loki would beat Shamrock's ass

[cloud adder]

Shamrock had accurate self-glaze

[dapper tree]

[prisma yacht]

Eos zoro being stronger than shanks is not a crazy take tho

[deep chasm]

well of course, they're your takes. You dont think its crazy that kid is stronger than xebec, or that brook would be as strong as katakuri in the flashback, or now that it makes more sensse for sanji tof ight garling than any of the very relevant characters in the story who are connected to him cuz "knight samurai dynamic".

Crazy person dont think theyre crazy

[dapper tree]

Shamrock has the most nonsense scaling

[cloud adder]

Shamrock woulda beat the shit outta Loki even without the chains

[icy wolf]

nah im just trolling idk but they are probably similar strength

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[dapper tree]

I ain't

[patent sapphire]

True. Saying that eos zoro will be weaker than shanks is a crazy take in fact

[ashen perch]

Laww youre acting like I made this Knight Samurai dynamic up, Oda literally damn near made a whole manga about it

[icy wolf]

i mean garling implied shamrock is stronger than shanks in the flashback

[cloud adder]

Nah, pre this Imu fight Loki just doesnt have the skills/experience, Loki is getting major growth with this Imu fight

[dapper tree]

Where?

[cunning narwhal]

What would be the point of zoros goal if theres still a swordsman stronger than him after he beats mihawk 😭

[dapper tree]

Loki is like 100 years older than him

[cloud adder]

meaningless comment from 10+ years ago especially since Shanks was likely hiding his true strength from Garling

[ashen perch]

Ryuma is from the prototype of that manga, he then inserted him into Monsters. His Rival was Romeo.

That dynamic was then turned into Zoro v Sanji

[native cloud]

I don’t even like him, but I still think he’ll cause anarchy over Elbaf

[hasty sable]

Vinsmoke Romeo

[cloud adder]

Loki is 63...

[patent sapphire]

Is loki really 100? I don't think so

[patent sapphire]

Yeah thought so

[dapper tree]

Lol, it's called exaggeration

[native cloud]

I think he’s worse than Sommers

[cloud adder]

21 year difference

[formal wagon]

shamrock is mosa

[cloud adder]

and Loki spent 6 locked up

[dapper tree]

So loki is still ahead

[icy wolf]

“but if entered into a depths covenant he’ll be an instant boost, likely on the level of shamrock”

[dapper tree]

[cloud adder]

😭

[grand flower]

I wonder what Oda plans to do with Loki’s parallels to Gunko and Shamrock

[cloud adder]

But Loki has mental nerf

[dapper tree]

Free sample ass power ups

[cloud adder]

Shamrock >>>

[orchid fiber]

Hi also manga

[upper rose]

fartling is delusional nothing he says can be trusted

[ashen perch]

Now we've got two characters as the final bosses of the series that so perfectly fit that dynamic as well. The Samurai Nusjuro and the Knight Garling. You're just blinding yourself to this reality because you've made up this idea of how Oda makes up these matchups that isnt actually true. I asked you if you could point to a similar fight but you couldnt...

[formal wagon]

omen shamrock = 80 kaidos

objectively

[prisma yacht]

So glue

[native cloud]

I still want us Arsal to paint a picture for me of the Shamrock vs Garling fight

[dapper tree]

666 kaidos

[ashen perch]

I dont think its happening??

[patent sapphire]

500 kaidos

[ashen perch]

why would I paint a picture of what I dont think is happening...

[hasty sable]

Omen Shamrock will be a rough go for Shanks

[cloud adder]

9001 kaidos

[prisma yacht]

500 ciggerates vs zoro

[formal wagon]

kaido will be conq fodder soon

[dapper tree]

Never

[cloud adder]

Is reversi or omen a stronger boost?

[patent sapphire]

Sanji wins

[barren token]

Omen

[prisma yacht]

Yes yes yes yes yes do something with shammy

[upper rose]

omen prob

[barren token]

We know this because apparently it makes sommers a viable threat

[cloud adder]

[ashen perch]

he was always a viable threat

[icy wolf]

might just be top 1

[barren token]

Which might make jt the largest power up we've ever seen

[hasty sable]

To straw hats not really

[grand flower]

I hope Garp defeats Garling

[dapper tree]

To anyone weaker than a commander, sure

[hasty sable]

Robin would have killed him if not for the covenant

[ashen perch]

to any commander

[formal wagon]

that puts him at 0.001 akainus

[dapper tree]

Not even close

[patent sapphire]

Us Akainu fans are so humble

[dapper tree]

He just ain't strong enough

[hasty sable]

Zoro would destroy base Sommers

[hasty sable]

Like Sanji did Killy

[grand flower]

lol what is this

[dapper tree]

Jinbei could too

[hasty sable]

Holy Knights just aren’t all that

[prisma yacht]

Snooze time

[grand flower]

Sleep tight

[ashen perch]

See now when Zoro's getting demolished by Omen Sommers, you guys are gonna make up this ridiculous idea in your head that it was like a 100x boost for him for some reason

[prisma yacht]

Tha ks uwu

[cloud adder]

nightnight fron sweet dreams

[dapper tree]

Well zoro got exploded by Imu just previously

[ashen perch]

instead of thinking that maybe he was always very powerful, and just got a step ahead from his previous level

[patent sapphire]

Gn twin

[dapper tree]

So nerfed zoro vs buffed sommers

[formal wagon]

yeah its only like 90x

[dense rapids]

Binks Sake was created in Esperia

[cloud adder]

Elegia*

[ashen perch]

it didnt really do much

[dense rapids]

Doesn’t exist

[hasty sable]

A Zoro who defeated King is not having that much trouble with Sommers

[ashen perch]

he got shot by a bullet in his shoulder, he'll be fine

[dapper tree]

Sommers still losing

[hasty sable]

Omen Sommers sure

[ashen perch]

well King is weaker

[hasty sable]

But that’s an Imu boost lol

[dapper tree]

Just like killingham

[hasty sable]

Nah King is stronger

[cloud adder]

it does in the flashback

[patent sapphire]

Sommers is so funny I want him to win lowkey

[dapper tree]

That's insane, king is stronger

[hasty sable]

Queen is also stronger than Killingham

[cloud adder]

King

[icy wolf]

no

[ashen perch]

Marco being able to handle King and Queen, even if just for like 10 minutes is beyond embarrassing for him

worse than Gaban beating Sommers

[hasty sable]

Holy Knights are Tobi Roppo with immortality

[patent sapphire]

Queen was a bum lets be honest kaido and king were hard carrying the crew

[cloud adder]

and jack*

[patent sapphire]

Holy robbo strikes again

[ashen perch]

and thats just Marco, who probably is not on the level of Current Gaban even if he could be close

[icy wolf]

nah idk bro gunko and shamrock are strong asf

[hasty sable]

Gunko and Shamrock are a cut above

[icy wolf]

killingham is also insanely dangerous

[hasty sable]

But they’re special

[ashen perch]

no they are not lol

[icy wolf]

sommers hasnt looked too bad yet

[ashen perch]

well Shamrock yes

[hasty sable]

Shamrock is obviously way stronger than these other two nerds

[icy wolf]

gunko is clearly a cut above

[hasty sable]

Gunko is a special case too

[urban lodge]

Wait I'm almost done with the grid

[icy wolf]

its gunko and shamrock that were summoned to elbaf first and gunko took out half the strawhats with no difficulty

[urban lodge]

It might piss you off tho

[icy wolf]

they’re like a duo

[ashen perch]

Gunko's going to lose to powered up Brook and Usopp btw

[formal wagon]

what grid? like a bingo???

HELLO???

[cloud adder]

gunko and shamrock do seem to be a fighting pair (NOT ROMANTIC), if gunko is freed or dies this arc i hope we see Shamrock's reaction

[warm sierra]

shamrock is gunko's babysitter

[hasty sable]

Shamrock shows up after the battle. “I was gone five minutes!”

[wraith mantle]

Gunko and shamrock is an interesting ship

Both like to kill slaves

[urban lodge]

What the fuck is wrong with you

[cloud adder]

reverse this lmao, because gunko actually watched shamrock grow up

[patent sapphire]

I don't think shamrock cares

[icy wolf]

im good off that

[ashen perch]

I think the Knights are all relative to each other, aside from the Commanders and the Supreme Commander. No reason to think otherwise yet.

[trim lily]

he might care

the knights seem to like each other at least

[barren token]

There's gonna be 2 to 3 actually strong knights along with shamrock

[wraith mantle]

She was just behind Garling on the leaderboard in God Valley

[urban lodge]

@prisma yacht not super confident about it but here's something

[icy wolf]

isnt shamrock supreme commander who is the commander then

[cloud adder]

skullmask HK please reveal yourself

[trim lily]

he’s in a wheelchair now

[hasty sable]

I think any other holy knights will be for weaker straw hats to have something to do

[ashen perch]

Shamrock was the commander when Garling was Supreme Commander, I think he just hasnt officially become a Supreme Commander

[wraith mantle]

Need Toei to reverse their clown colorings of the goth HK

[patent sapphire]

Wano slander I'm blessed

[ashen perch]

also there probably are multiple commanders

[tranquil blade]

I still don't see the point in there being two different commander positions

Unless there's like 50 holy knights total

[ashen perch]

I think there are 13

[cloud adder]

fighting vs political

[hasty sable]

Shamrock will be Supreme Commander next time we see him

[wraith mantle]

Nepo baby shamrocks insisted he gets a commander role

[cloud adder]

Shamrock goes out in the field, Garling sits at the desk

[urban lodge]

They're definitely not all relative

[tranquil blade]

Surely you'd only need one commander to lead 13 knights?

[hasty sable]

Shamrock is pseudo-emperor level

And probably stronger than his dad

[cloud adder]

Shamrock the 6th emperor emerges!

rokko or something

[patent sapphire]

Omg he has 600 base stat

[blazing depot]

You will be punished for dissing Davy Back Arc

[wraith mantle]

Only yonko shamrocks can beat is buggy

[trim lily]

maybe one day garlic will do something to prove himself

[ashen perch]

Commander - 3 Knights working for them
Commander - 3 Knights working for them
Commander - 3 Knights working for them
Supreme Commander

The structure would be something like that

[barren token]

Yonko lite, then he gets the omen boost

Oooooo boy

[wraith mantle]

He can defeat other emperors only if they are chained to a tree like Loki was

[ashen perch]

???

[barren token]

You dont wanna see shamrock with gbe omen boost

[hasty sable]

Ah shit we are doing Donquixote Family again

[cloud adder]

Garling = bum

[ashen perch]

probably not!

atleast not now

[hasty sable]

He’s not a bum but his kids are definitely more powerful

[cloud adder]

yeah Garling got his shit together but overall Shamrock stronger

[barren token]

Reminder that for it to make sommers anything resembling a potential threat it would have to be a x100 powerboost at least

[hasty sable]

Unless Shanks actually is way stronger than his brother

[urban lodge]

It sucks and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't, and the fact that it was only saved from irrelevancy though R*cks of all characters is very funny

[ashen perch]

yeah thats where I got the idea from lol

[wraith mantle]

Didn’t Oda glaze garlings strength in an sbs

[barren token]

Omen shamrock will move mountains

[wraith mantle]

Garling probably above yonko level

[cloud adder]

he said theres a reason for Garling's strength

[ashen perch]

I am not seeing a single reason to think that Shamrock would be stronger than Garling lol

[tranquil blade]

He said he's strong which could mean like anything

[ashen perch]

I think the Gorosei are all comfortably clear of the Knights lol

[barren token]

Hes cooler

[cloud adder]

Garling is cheating in a manner that goes beyond Imu's blessings i think

[formal wagon]

younger + to hype shanks

[hasty sable]

Ordinary knights yeah but Shamrock is Shamrock

[wraith mantle]

Glue

[tranquil blade]

He looks like Shanks so he's stronger

[cloud adder]

new beats old

[ashen perch]

hes still a knight

[tranquil blade]

Just by proximity

[trim lily]

he said there’s a reason for his strength

(it’s because of imu)

[formal wagon]

unfortunate reality

[hasty sable]

I don’t see the twin brother of Shanks being that much weaker than his brother

[barren token]

Also he has to fight shanks so

[formal wagon]

lets see shanks get past omen lucci first

[icy wolf]

nobody wants shanks vs shamrock

[cloud adder]

ERM

[icy wolf]

we want shamrock vs mihawk

or shamrock vs loki

[trim lily]

no one wants that

[ashen perch]

Shanks v Shamrock lowkey sounds like the worst fight of all time

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[tranquil blade]

Omen Lucci wouldve been enough to kill Kaido

[barren token]

What's the point of making shamrocks if he never fights shanks

[cloud adder]

low diff in shamrock's favor, boring ahh fight

[trim lily]

mihawk’s sole purpose in the story is to fight zoro

[dense haven]

fighting garling

[hasty sable]

Shanks vs Shamrock ending with Shamrock redemption and then they both kill their dad

[formal wagon]

[tranquil blade]

I will not fall to the Garling propaganda

[ashen perch]

oh I guess Shamrock does have Cerberus but their fighting styles are mostly far too similar to be interesting

[cloud adder]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-gorosei-gif-13739228584114994987

[formal wagon]

kaido would probably run for his life if he saw omen lucci

[patent sapphire]

Mihawks only fight in the series will be zoro idk why y'all think he would have any other fight

[barren token]

They'll both fight garling together after shanks makes shamrocks heart grow 100x bigger

[icy wolf]

idk dude if i was mihawk and saw my greatest rivals twin brother with both arms, regen and a devilfruit sword i would wanna fight him

[formal wagon]

not to even get into redbei's sacrifice lucci

[cloud adder]

the moon waxes...

[ashen perch]

I agree, Garling will just be stronger than them both

[dense rapids]

Esperia is Weavers Town

[formal wagon]

mr 3 upscale

[tranquil blade]

If Garling was the one Shanks got his red hair from he'd be stronger, but he's just another blond CHUD

[formal wagon]

WAIT

[trim lily]

waiting

[formal wagon]

mr 3 awakening lets him control the moon

objectively

[wraith mantle]

Yall think Garling is an interesting character?

[formal wagon]

thats how enel is coming back

[barren token]

Garling weak af genes

[cloud adder]

garling not getting the redhair is an insane downscale

[trim lily]

only if it’s waxing

[formal wagon]

im not even gonna get into what alvida's awakening is going to do

[urban lodge]

Garling is awesome

[barren token]

No chance against his sons who inherited their mother's stronger genes

[patent sapphire]

silkposting in also manga💔

[urban lodge]

He's what Rocks should have been

[wraith mantle]

I wouldn’t be surprised if shanks and shamrock got their haki genes from magnolia

[formal wagon]

alvidas awakening gets rid of gravity

[cloud adder]

joyboy haki genes

[tranquil blade]

Btw Joyboy will have red hair

[cloud adder]

yes

[formal wagon]

i mean friction

[dense haven]

garling beat the rat mom tho so blonde > rat hair

[formal wagon]

both actually

[formal wagon]

why

[tranquil blade]

because it would affirm my headcanon of course

[formal wagon]

also will cabaji get a devil fruit

[trim lily]

no

[tranquil blade]

Possibly

[formal wagon]

what about mohji

[trim lily]

ritchie will though

[formal wagon]

wait

oh my god

[wraith mantle]

What’s interesting about Garling rn

[tranquil blade]

He should get a stupid fruit tho

[formal wagon]

mohji -> mochi

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-d-rat-snitch-devil-gif-10652128958513752883

[formal wagon]

mohji and / or richie are going to caniballize katakuri and get his fruit

according to my sources

[hasty sable]

Shanks still snitched we haven’t forgotten

[trim lily]

mohji kills katakuri theory

[formal wagon]

FUCK this would have been fire on the ognib

[tranquil blade]

Oda went out of his way to kill the rat Shanks theory

[formal wagon]

i shoullda waited

[trim lily]

better luck next year

[cloud adder]

elaborate

[wraith mantle]

Sbs reveal is wild

[hasty sable]

I still think it was Shanks in Reverie arc

[trim lily]

i hope every space on your ognib board comes true

[formal wagon]

good movie soon

[urban lodge]

I just love how evil he is, plus he brings something completely new to the gorosei, it's cool how he seems to be more proactive than the others

[cloud adder]

Shanks and Shamrock can switch their consciousnesses so yeah, Reverie was Shanks in Shamrock's body, thats why Toei kept the Shanks VA

[trim lily]

i’ve yet to get a single space on my bingo but i have faith in my 60 chapter elbaf square

[tranquil blade]

If it was Shanks had a good reason for talking to them, if it wasn't then he beat the rat allegations

[formal wagon]

i put good movie on the freespace because on my normal bigno the free space is "next movie sucks "

[dense rapids]

Brook performing… One Piece

[hasty sable]

Shanks warned them about Blackbeard

[trim lily]

oda wrap this up in 2 chapters please

[hasty sable]

What a narc

[urban lodge]

Plus it's kinda cool that as evil as he is he cares about his sons

[tranquil blade]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HIVV1dxXUAAOLaa.webp

[wraith mantle]

Shanks sails the seas to snitch

[trim lily]

i’m very glad i got good father garlic right

he’s a bad husband but he’s a good dad

[cloud adder]

just sharing the film red hints!

[ashen perch]

Oda do NOT wrap this up in 2 chapters please

[formal wagon]

oda just be yourself ❤️

[ashen perch]

we need like 5 chapters of this minimum, what are you guys in such a hurry for

[formal wagon]

and die

[wraith mantle]

I really think he’s making a movie for Imu’s throne

[trim lily]

we’re pulling an egghead skip after the flashback ends

[urban lodge]

Oda if you do that I will send Sandman after you

[wraith mantle]

Encouraging Imu to go in person

[raven marten]

Mihawk seems to be moving like lebron in these recent chapters

[tranquil blade]

I dont remember that

[raven marten]

Everything shanks does and done is a mihawk upscale

[urban lodge]

I can see it

[formal wagon]

cut to luffy in icu and gerd dead and scopper dead

[ashen perch]

you guys are going to be fine even if this is 10 chapters, its not gonna kill ya I promise

[formal wagon]

and colon on his way to marijoa

[trim lily]

it might

[formal wagon]

so rayleigh has to save colon

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk is the Kd of one piece

[formal wagon]

but rayliegh dies

[trim lily]

i interpreted this as evil colon

rather than he got kidnapped

[ashen perch]

well then that would be one less flashback hater in the world... not so bad of a deal

[formal wagon]

bjorn is the evil one

[raven marten]

kd? What’s that

[formal wagon]

bjorn is working with the gorosei

[cloud adder]

film red had related ppl (kata and brulee, yasopp and usopp) sharing their vision
the consciousness switching is just a natural extension of that

[formal wagon]

bjorn inherited caramel's will

[trim lily]

i prefer evil colon personally but (tor)bjorn is a good second

[formal wagon]

theres evidence for this according to my sources objectively

molten core

[barren token]

Bjork?

[formal wagon]

yeah

[barren token]

Awesome

I love bjork :)

[tranquil blade]

Kevin Durant

[patent sapphire]

Gn y'all gotta go

[trim lily]

bjork kinda sounds like york

[trim lily]

[formal wagon]

y*rk

[wraith mantle]

Gn

[raven marten]

Mihawk is top 4 strongest in the verse (rn)

[trim lily]

yeah

[hazy turret]

Mihawk slander alive and well

[hazy turret]

Nvm

[tranquil blade]

Me when I hate a city in England that starts with y

[raven marten]

Shanks is 5th

[wraith mantle]

Mihawk and shanks both on the same level
Below prime rocks

[formal wagon]

top 4 has to be akainu, becca, imu, topman

[barren token]

This makes it looks like it was so easy he did it in under a minute

[trim lily]

is becca real

[cloud adder]

when did prime rocks happen or do you mean extrapolated prime rocks?

[formal wagon]

holy larp

[trim lily]

holy carp

[raven marten]

No rocks is over hyped. Migawk>. And mihawk>ahanks

shanks*

[cloud adder]

Migawk

[formal wagon]

perch are fun to draw

[cloud adder]

the other Mihawk triple

[urban lodge]

Prime Rocks is worth roughly 0.6 Ragnirs

[trim lily]

migawk > mihawk > ahanks > shanks

[cloud adder]

nihawk, mihawk, migawk

[tranquil blade]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-larping-king

[raven marten]

Mihawk won the last duel against shanks

since he has the title (wss)

[formal wagon]

but he has no friends

[tranquil blade]

This is true

[formal wagon]

and he's unfulfilled

[native cloud]

I don’t know about that

[raven marten]

Explain

[native cloud]

In order for a person to achieve a new bounty or new epithet certain events have happen. Shanks has been him for a while, and with the stature he has do you seriously believe he lost to Hawkeye?

[tranquil oracle]

we have like a handful of flashbacks left and this just elimates one from the picture - this fb was coming one way or another

[jaunty grail]

whats wrong with him losing against mihawk

that doesn't mean he's weak

[cloud adder]

not confirmed, current official english translator for One Piece translated Mihawk's dialogue with Shanks back in East Blue like this (chapter 96 btw)

[trim lily]

oh yeah i’m for the brook flashback, the 60 chap thing is mostly a joke

[jaunty grail]

damn i thought mihawk called him a one armed has been

[cloud adder]

thats in the official Viz translation i think but that wasnt done by Stephen Paul at the time

[jaunty grail]

viz translation sucked ass back in pre TS ngl

[cloud adder]

Stephen Paul didnt start translating until around MF or post war iirc

[tranquil blade]

Yeah it was pretty inconsistent

Pretty sure it's the reason people think Luffy's lost like 20 years of his life from using gear 2nd in pre timeskip

[cloud adder]

he did end up losing some years during the miracle treatment at impel tho i kinda want the 2nd gear affectng lifespan in pre timeskip to be true since it feels like Oda is gonna have Luffy's reduced lifespan be a thing with the way Luffy pushes himself in G5

[raven marten]

If shanks won the last duel he wouldn’t have the title.

[hasty sable]

Reduced lifespan before immortality surgery

[rustic coral]

Is the zoro novel canon

[cloud adder]

Im not saying Shanks won, I'm saying they never reached a conclusion to their fight based on the dialogue

And current Mihawk not fighting current Shanks is how Oda makes Shanks > Mihawk without taking the title away from Mihawk so Zoro can focus on him - although I do hope Zoro says or does something when SHPs and RHPs meet

[leaden tiger]

Every day we stray further from elbaf usopp

[cloud adder]

Every day Usopp believers get closer to a harsh truth

[leaden tiger]

Until the day i die

[vernal ravine]

elbaph usopp? that character never existed

[leaden tiger]

Mihawk solos shanks btw

[leaden tiger]

🥀

[cloud adder]

if you think "Supervised by Oda" = canon, probably

[jaunty grail]

what diff do you think mihawk vs shanks is

[cloud adder]

Shanks high diffs Mihawk

in a tierlist, Shanks is a tier above Mihawk imo

[rustic coral]

Canon until proven otherwise

[cloud adder]

Could never be me

Im a 'noncanon until proven' type

[tranquil blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1498512988846559262/reddit.gif

[rose rune]

this popped up in my youtube feed, and the first thing I thought to myself was "god damn that looks french"

[jaunty grail]

so you think zoro will beat mihawk and still not be the strongest swordsman?

[cloud adder]

I think Mihawk has excluded Shanks from the contention

[jaunty grail]

it makes no sense tbh, mihawks title is directly tied to one of the strawhats' dreams and serves a narrative purpose

[cloud adder]

So it depends on how based Zoro wants to be

[jaunty grail]

imo mihawk extreme diffs

mihawk still considers himself the strongest swordsman of the world

[cloud adder]

explain why Oda has Mihawk dodging current prime Shanks instead of having them duel somewhat regularly and giving the close win to Mihawk, it would be good for both their chars but Oda didnt write it that way

[cloud adder]

good for him! he really doesnt have much else in his life...

[river tinsel]

Damn that's harsh

[cloud adder]

it's Mihawk's reality

[jaunty grail]

because mihawk doesn't wanna fight shanks, he doesn't wanna beat his rival whos one armed now. and i don't get why mihawk would beat shanks like they have no reason to fight atp in the story

[vernal ravine]

give me title or i retire

[cloud adder]

Zoro saved from tht reality by joining Luffy thankfully

[river tinsel]

Ye i guess its his only source of pride in life

[jaunty grail]

yeah true i don't think he trusts anyone after the grave betrayal he received in the past

[hasty sable]

What’s the Zoro novel about

[cloud adder]

In the One Piece world where you have crazy power systems like haki and DFs, why doesnt Mihawk think a one-armed swordsman could one day rival him?

[rustic coral]

Zoro

Probably

[cloud adder]

Mihawk's mindset with Shanks is so ass

[river tinsel]

Wait i feel like im in a mihawk diss server rn

[cloud adder]

Like if Mihawk lost an arm would he give up on swordsmanship?

[hasty sable]

Mihawk only wants to kill cops

[leaden tiger]

Mihawk is an ableist

[rose rune]

it's probably about the time spent between when he left and when he meets luffy

[leaden tiger]

Zoro is sexist

[rose rune]

but who knows

[river tinsel]

But in this case its his only pride

[cloud adder]

I fully believe this no joke

[hasty sable]

Sanji is transphobic

[leaden tiger]

I think swordsmen are just inherently discriminatory

[river tinsel]

Shanks is more than mihawks rival

[cloud adder]

Right so he would continue fighting even if he lost an arm no?

[vernal ravine]

probably it's mihawk fans fault

[jaunty grail]

it's because he doesn't wanna beat shanks, im pretty sure he used to tie with shanks in his duels and i don't think he wants to beat the guy who used to rival him now that he has lost an arm

[vernal ravine]

like the guys that say that mihawk is stronger than imu and things like that

[river tinsel]

Yes he would cause swordsmanship is all hes good at

[jaunty grail]

mihawk deadass says that a competent swordsman is capable of knowing the difference in strength without crossing blades, and he also calls himself the strongest swordsman. it's pretty clear that he's stronger than shanks

[cloud adder]

But it doesnt have to end after winning against a weakened Shanks, he coulda helped Shanks achieve his potential again with one-arm
Remember how Mihawk doubted East Blue Zoro, then defeated East Blue Zoro but still saw the POTENTIAL Zoro had
I think its pathetic that Mihawk, a man who is desperate to fight an equal rival, doesnt seem to consider that you need to fight someone when theyre weaker to help them reach a greater potential

[fossil anvil]

is there any reason for mihawk to know about saint nusjuro?

[jaunty grail]

i don't think mihawk thought allat tbh

[grand rain]

The retconned reason Mihawk won't duel shanks anymore is because he lost the pact on his arm

[cloud adder]

strongest swordsman asked Vista to pause on their duel and then went back to chasing Luffy
"it's pretty clear that he's stronger than shanks" nice opinion bro 😭 🙏

[grand rain]

Calling it now

[leaden tiger]

The actual answer is that theyre both the same strength but mihawk holds the actual title of strongest swordsman and oda doesnt give a crap about scaling either one

[hasty sable]

Shanks is just stronger than Mihawk but only just

Their bounties are very close for a reason

[grand rain]

Who's taller

[cloud adder]

Shanks

[vernal ravine]

both weaker than look d east

[cloud adder]

by 1 cm

[grand rain]

Ez low dif then

[jaunty grail]

sengoku asked all the forces of the marines to fall back, and hence he postponed his duel with vista. he didn't wanna put in unnecessary work

[cloud adder]

Someone finally understanding 🔥

[grand rain]

We can't argue with the height scaling

[jaunty grail]

like bro we both know that mihawk only participated in the marineford war to not lose his warlord title so he can continue living in peace

[cloud adder]

So why didnt Mihawk go back to fighting Vista after the fighting moved passed the walls?
I can dig up the scene-by-scene, because i know for a fact that after Mihawk asked to pause the duel, he went after Luffy AGAIN

[rose rune]

that's 1cm more room for muscles, but then again he's missing an arm

[hasty sable]

I think Mihawk isn’t a fightbeast

Bro just wants to farm

[carmine dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377926506147217479/1378223265876803584/image0.png?ex=6a15c530&is=6a1473b0&hm=e3951eea67c4b109ce934da7b07246a2b9d0bc514f69d031449bc4da1f54a74b&

[cloud adder]

so... Mihawk... the WSS... decided to spend MF chasing a kid that he KNOWS Shanks cares about instead of fighting the other strongest swordsman that he never met before? that really makes sense to you?

[scenic dirge]

I think he was once upon a time

[river tinsel]

Thay makes alot of sence but also to prouve he is still #1 swordsman

[leaden tiger]

Because it makes sense for luffys story lol

If he truly wanted luffy dead luffy would have been ended with one slice

[cloud adder]

Yeah, Mihawk gets pushed aside for Luffy and Shanks narrative

[leaden tiger]

Luffy intrigues him

[hasty sable]

Yeah, in his heyday he was picking fights with the Marines just to FEEL SOMETHING

Now he knows he’s the best so he’s bored and just wants peace

[jaunty grail]

because he didn't wanna help the marines, mihawk was only there so that he wouldn't lose his warlord title. we know mihawk holds a grudge against the marines, i don't get why he would actually try helping the marines. and for the luffy bit he was just trying to test his real strength (which was rallying those around him)

[scenic dirge]

A lot of people get bored and feel no more drive once they reach the top

[hasty sable]

Even the Cross Guild thing doesn’t really make sense if his goal is to find worthy opponents

It’s so he doesn’t have to be on the run

[cloud adder]

Mihawk being a marine hunter seems to have just been a response to the navy betraying him, im pretty sure the SBS thing said the navy specifically betrayed Mihawk no?

[jaunty grail]

yeah he wanted to test luffy's true powers, he even called luffy a heaven sent boy

[urban kiln]

me rn

[cloud adder]

"because he didn't wanna help the marines"
attempting to kill luffy multiple times helped the marines plenty wtheck 😭

[vernal ravine]

the cross guild thing is crocodile's idea he accepted to avoid the marine

he wanna be chill and spawn in front of grand line noobies

[hasty sable]

Zoro’s dream is to kill some retired guy that’s farming pumpkins just because he wants to prove he can

[jaunty grail]

he wasn't tryna kill luffy bruh he was testing his true strength, if he was tryna kill luffy there he woulda 100% did this i think we can both agree

[hasty sable]

Are we sure Zoro isn’t the bad guy here

[jaunty grail]

shanks prob told mihawk about how special luffy is

it makes sense

[river tinsel]

This is a mihawk diss server not zoro leave the future #1 swordsman alone

[digital spear]

https://youtu.be/uvLXjqWqSN0?is=XBNuIPYeg6uyNXd7

fuckass video beginning

[cloud adder]

No, Mihawk said "this black blade knows no restraint" he was making real attempts but fate was saving Luffy, Mihawk isnt strong enough to beat fate - he's just a future Zoro victim after all

[urban kiln]

pirate hunter to the core

[hasty sable]

Fair you’re right

[river tinsel]

Thx

[jaunty grail]

he was TESTING luffy bro. he had his eyes closed while swinging his blade, he was telling luffy that he isn't out of range, if he really wanted to kill him do you think he'd do that?

[leaden tiger]

We quote scaling now

[cloud adder]

did he really have his eyes closed?? 😭

[jaunty grail]

yeah

[cloud adder]

LMAO

hold up omg

[river tinsel]

I can clearly see the hate between the shanks pfp and the mihawk pfp

[jaunty grail]

imma pull up the panel

[cloud adder]

waiting

google search isnt proving anything

[river tinsel]

@cloud adder vs @jaunty grail shanks vs mihawk

[cloud adder]

Shanks

[jaunty grail]

eyes closed bro you see it

[cloud adder]

so he's a fraud and stupid...

feeling bad for zoro now

all his hard work

[jaunty grail]

it's pretty clear he wasnt going all out

[river tinsel]

Lol

[leaden tiger]

He was clearly fighting his sworn nemesis

[jaunty grail]

like bro he would not have his eyes closed if he was going full power against luffy right there

[cloud adder]

eyes closed argument is actually killing me

[scenic dirge]

Lmfao nice

[jaunty grail]

bro what you see the eyes closed, and him saying he's not out of range why would he do that he was actually tryna kill luffy

[leaden tiger]

Eyes closed was just an obs haki showcase

[river tinsel]

I agree

[leaden tiger]

Either way though this whole argumet is dumb cuz nobody truly thinks he was going all out to kill luffy there

Unless youre an unabashed shanks defender sworn on life

[hasty sable]

I do

[river tinsel]

Ye i guess

[jaunty grail]

i agree lmao

this shit is wild

[hasty sable]

I don’t think Mihawk has any reason to go easy on Luffy

Why does he give a shit if shanks liked some kid?

[cloud adder]

explain why mihawk said "this black blade knows no restraint"

[hasty sable]

He was going to cut Luffy’s arms off too

[cloud adder]

whats the pt of testing luffy's fate protection if he doesnt go all out

[leaden tiger]

He doesnt, but luffy intrigues him

[hasty sable]

Mihawk doesn’t care about Luffy. He’s only there so the Marines leave him alone.

[leaden tiger]

"This blade knows no restraint" doesnt mean "im going all out"

[jaunty grail]

that just means he's saying his black blade is capable of doing anything

[hasty sable]

It means he’s not holding back

Mihawk doesn’t hold back

[jaunty grail]

he said "this power knows no restraints" meaning he can do anything with his power

[urban kiln]

same reason Doflamingo said he wasnt going to underestimate the SHs and co and then underestimated them anyway

[leaden tiger]

If im killing an ant ill say "this shoe knows no restraint" cuz im stomping on an ant but its not like im going all out lol

[hasty sable]

Yeah but Doffy is stupid

[urban kiln]

sometimes characters be sayin shit for the sake of their aura

Mihawk knew itd sound cool

so he said it

[leaden tiger]

Slay

[cloud adder]

hmmmmmmm

[cloud adder]

thats doffy being arrogant tho

Doffy the fallen CD, "dont look down at me" ahh

[hasty sable]

Doffy is a Bond villain who thinks he’s not a Bond villain

[urban kiln]

do we really believe that Mihawk kinda standing nonchalant and swinging his sword is his best effort?

[leaden tiger]

No way we're merriam webster scaling 😭

[cloud adder]

you have no title bro, its different

[leaden tiger]

No its not lol

[jaunty grail]

just saying anything for the agenda

[cloud adder]

merriam has ass definitions lowkey, had to turn on simple def so they didnt use the WORD THEYRE DEFINING IN THE DEFINITION

[leaden tiger]

Also yes this doest counter anything i said

[latent hamlet]

Personally i think mihawk held back against luffy
But theres only so much he can hold back

Its a fucking big ass sword

[urban kiln]

sometimes I forget people argue for the sake of agenda alone

nvm

carry on

[jaunty grail]

fr lmao

[urban kiln]

waste everyone else's time

[cloud adder]

ye, refined swordsmanship doesnt have to be some crazy fancy stuff like what zoro is doing

[latent hamlet]

He's cleaving giant icebergs from a distance
Bro probably swung too hard one time and split a mountain

[hasty sable]

I think “this blade knows no restraint” means he doesn’t hold back on principle and isn’t making a special case for Luffy. If Luffy survives then it will be by his own fate.

I think it is very straightforward

[leaden tiger]

Restraint can be holding back for the sake of the defending party, not leveled against your power

[cloud adder]

Yeah exactly

[hasty sable]

Too many words

[leaden tiger]

Right, which also doesnt mean hes going all out

[hasty sable]

This manga is for kids

[cloud adder]

Which lines up with how he dealt with east blue zoro

[leaden tiger]

Brother mine was shorter than yours

[cloud adder]

Mihawk had to use a different blade to begin with when fighting Zoro

[river tinsel]

Ye but i think its more like main character plot armor basically

[cloud adder]

He only switched to Yoru to give Zoro a final cut

[river tinsel]

Butter sword 🧈

[jaunty grail]

he held back against zoro too

he let him live

[river tinsel]

Yes that was obvious

[cloud adder]

He was playing with Zoro until he saw how serious Zoro's ambition was and the potential there

[hasty sable]

He held back against Zoro but not Luffy. Major Zoro L.

[cloud adder]

this is why Luffy and Zoro are separated by a tier in scaling btw

[river tinsel]

The "scars on the back are a swordsman shame"

[urban sluice]

#anime message @urban kiln some os spoilers in #anime

[cloud adder]

zamn server owner needs to deal with anime channel clean up

[hasty sable]

“I want this mf to comeback and kill me one day.” —Mihawk, probably

[cloud adder]

staff must be on holiday

[jaunty grail]

even in the final slash when mihawk uses his big black blade to cut zoro and says "it's too soon for you to die" or something like that which suggests that he held back right there to make sure zoro doesn't die

[cloud adder]

do you think Mihawk is dying eos?

[river tinsel]

I never see staff

[latent hamlet]

Tbf he specifically mentioned the blade itself has no restraint

Sure mihawk didnt go for a kill blow but frankly, zoro not bleeding out or dying still is pretty crazy

[hasty sable]

Nah he will live

He’s gonna farm

[latent hamlet]

Even if u swing gently, a sword is still gonna cut and do serious damage

[jaunty grail]

yo i can't wait till mihawk shows his first feat it's gon be crazy

[cloud adder]

yes, unlike against Luffy attempts he was saying things like "blade knows no restraint" and "sorry red hair [im gonna try to kill this kid]"

[jaunty grail]

ppl really think he was going all out against luffy lmao

[urban kiln]

I guess he means like, his literal slashing strength. Not that he as an individual isnt holding back.

can you accept that?

[hasty sable]

Mihawk said he was

[jaunty grail]

no he didn't

[latent hamlet]

The dood basically cut the glacier by accident lol

[cloud adder]

nah, because he used Yoru to cut Zoro without killing Zoro

[hasty sable]

I think “going all out” is just turning into fight bro language that means something totally different than what was said

[urban kiln]

thats zoro's aura

[river tinsel]

Bro its not that deep he said it himself just take the L

[hasty sable]

I only communicate in the language of fight bro when I’m trying to rage bait

[urban kiln]

listen oda isnt the most consistent with powerscaling

its not that deep

theyre individual feats and encounters

[latent hamlet]

Mihawk: I spared him
Zoro: >suffers from agonizing bleeding and pain where the smallest graze brings him to his knees

[jaunty grail]

it ain't an L idgi

[latent hamlet]

[cloud adder]

I think Oda has consistently indicated Shanks > Mihawk

[graceful grove]

say what

[latent hamlet]

Zoro may have lived but he sure as hell felt like death

[river tinsel]

Sure

[hasty sable]

When in doubt bounty scale

[jaunty grail]

oda keeps telling y'all mihawk > shanks

[cloud adder]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shanks-one-piece

[urban kiln]

like hes very clearly testing him here.

[graceful grove]

only thing oda is consistent in is taking breaks

[jade rain]

That debate is never going to be resolved

[leaden tiger]

if the profile pic has shanks,
do not engage, say "no thanks"

[cloud adder]

It will

[hasty sable]

Testing his fate against his full strength 😇

[urban kiln]

the debate is going to end without a 1v1 and theyll perpetually be considered equals

[vernal ravine]

nah bro

[jaunty grail]

the debate will be over by EOS and we'll all realise mihawk was the stronger one after all

[jade rain]

Nope oda would rather have the fans still debating after the series is over than confirming it

[cloud adder]

Shanks will have more fights in final war, the difference will be clear

[hasty sable]

It’s too late Mihawk. I’ve already portrayed you as the soy wojak and myself as the chad.

[jaunty grail]

who do you think he's gonna be fighting

[cloud adder]

I think Oda will tease in Shanks favor, but the canon will make it clear

[river tinsel]

This debate is hilarious

[latent hamlet]

Way I see it
Shanks and mihawk probably had like
A 51-49 win loss record and probably would have kept going
Then shanks lost his arm

[cloud adder]

bb, shamrock, garling, imu at least

he wont kill shamrock of course

he'll survive bb and bb's fucking cheat hacks

[jaunty grail]

he ain't making it to the final war he's dying to bb before that

[cloud adder]

he'll kill final form garling with shamrock

he'll do significant damage to imu

[hasty sable]

Shanks vs Buggy

[cloud adder]

mihawk just losing to zoro and if the crazies are right, dying to shiryu

[jade rain]

Highly doubt it, we never got the confirmation for garp Roger and WB similarly we will not for sanji zoro mihawk and shanks

[jaunty grail]

crazy expectations lmao

[river tinsel]

I geel like the final battle will be a troll

[hasty sable]

Roger > Whitebeard > Garp seems pretty obvious

[cloud adder]

Archer cant stop cooking

[fossil anvil]

WSM > M

[cloud adder]

Zoro > Sanji

[hasty sable]

Also true

[vernal ravine]

[jaunty grail]

and that form of zoro will be stronger than the entire figarland family

[cloud adder]

thats cute but Zoro isnt surpassing Shanks and Shamrock until post-eos

eos will have it be Luffy > Shanks > Zoro

If Shamrock loses Imu blessing he might be a little cooked

[jaunty grail]

he'll def surpass shanks in his fight with mihawk, he might already be stronger than shamrock we don't know

[jade rain]

People already decided shamrock is shanks relative in strength?

[cloud adder]

ye

[jaunty grail]

yeah lmao

[cloud adder]

Twin things / imu buffs

[tranquil blade]

I mean he looks just like him man

[fossil anvil]

zoro is so far behind his goal of becoming the WSS that it’s kind of crazy strength wise

[jade rain]

In strength forgot to add that

[jaunty grail]

shamrock is closer to kidd than most people think

[tranquil blade]

Oh well

Idk about that

[cloud adder]

holy ragebait

i will resist!

[fossil anvil]

nice headcanon

[cloud adder]

but if youre serious, we dont need to powerscale any further

[jaunty grail]

he needs some wano luffy level powerups ngl

[fossil anvil]

true

[jaunty grail]

straight up jumping two tiers up

[graceful grove]

shamrock should be stronger than Shanks. Shanks got brain damage in GV

thanks to Dragon

[cloud adder]

dragon

[hasty sable]

Kid is stronger than Loki who is weaker than Shamrock

[cloud adder]

um

Archer what happened

[fossil anvil]

"Kid is stronger than Loki"

[ruby moat]

oda rly tricked yall into thinking the main characters would achieve their dreams.. zoro aint ever beating mihawk 🤣

[jaunty grail]

loki is not weaker than shamrock lmfao

[fossil anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-reverse-smile-ishowspeed-confused-gif-17362243368421867313

[high wolf]

This gotta be ragebait

[hasty sable]

Kid > Loki is my favorite take

[graceful grove]

this ain't rage bait, this is just a bad SB impression

[hasty sable]

Becagse it always gets these reactions

[cloud adder]

because Kid has more experience/awakening?

[high wolf]

Holy the is insane

[hasty sable]

Kid’s helped kill an emperor and his bounty is higher. But it’s very close.

[cloud adder]

ok...

[fossil anvil]

kill

ok

[cloud adder]

Loki > Kid after elbaf tho?

[jade rain]

Which shouldn't have been that high, the WG maybe felt bad for him and gave him that one W

[hazy turret]

Ahhh I love the smell of cope

[high wolf]

Okay so Queen > Zoro cuz he has a higher bounty?

[hasty sable]

Personally think Kid is getting upscaled and Loki isn’t so idk

[cloud adder]

😭

[ancient dune]

Good lord

[tranquil blade]

Being a Shanks fan and a Kid fan at the same time feels like this

[cloud adder]

Loki is in a weird spot rn icl

He has a cracked DF but i doubt his fighting experience and general fighting ability

[hasty sable]

I think Loki is just the shiny new toy right now

[fossil anvil]

Loki is strong asf but people wank him way too much

[vernal ravine]

was going to do a ragebait take imma save it for myself

[jade rain]

Loki will be top 5 EOS that's all

[cloud adder]

i appreciate you!

[hasty sable]

And Kid is coming off of the embarrassment of what Shanks did to him so people forget Onigashima

[graceful grove]

we already know some of them won't achieve their dream
Jinbei - end racism? yea right
Nami - draw complete map? plz

[fossil anvil]

loki definitely isnt elbaf’s yamato or skypeia’s wyper tho

[jaunty grail]

how confident are you in the shanks > mihawk take

[hasty sable]

But Kid has a 3 billion bounty. He’s not a weakling.

[fossil anvil]

he might be

[warm sierra]

artur already completed nami's dream

[ancient dune]

If he survives sure

[hazy turret]

And what makes you say that

[jade rain]

I'm saying he will be but not more than that

[cloud adder]

100%

[graceful grove]

oh yea? where is LT and Vira in his map

[hasty sable]

Kid and Loki are both part of the made up term I call pseudo-emperor

[ruby moat]

yea the only ones that will achieve them are luffy and usopp

[warm sierra]

kid and loki in the same sentence man

[tranquil blade]

Shanks said they shouldnt underestimate Kid but I'm afraid my fellow fans don't get it 💔

[cloud adder]

Shanks put respect on Kidd's strength so, theres that

[hasty sable]

In which they’re close to the top of the totem pole but they’d still get smoked by a true emperor

[fossil anvil]

cause nidhoggr is represented as one of the main guys in the mural

[trim lily]

would ragnir be magnetic

[graceful grove]

and Sanji once he realize all blue is on the ship

[hasty sable]

They belong in the same breath

[quiet ice]

Would you include Zoro and Sanji in that category

[ruby moat]

sure ill take it

[hazy turret]

Shirahoshi is in the mural too

[hasty sable]

Kid is a beast. Shanks probably one tapped Loki too lol.

[cloud adder]

should be

[river tinsel]

Is the debate over who won

[river tinsel]

Welcome to the shanks vs mihawk debate pick your side

[river tinsel]

Im with you i belive shanks stonger

[ruby moat]

wtf

[ruby cape]

woah

[cloud adder]

shanks, like usual

[ruby cape]

neness got -1gbps wifi

[ruby moat]

shanks > mihawk even if u think mihawk is stronger

[river tinsel]

Ye i guess he is stonger

[hazy turret]

199 > 198

That’s all I have to say about the matter

[cloud adder]

the numbers dont lie

[ruby cape]

Shanks Mihawk Feats Narrative bla bla BORING BORING BORING

[river tinsel]

Ye sadly 😢

[ruby cape]

why not something random like Jango vs Arlong

[hasty sable]

6 < 7

[ruby cape]

sick fight if you ask me

[cloud adder]

[ruby moat]

arlong stomps i think

[fossil anvil]

and shirahoshi will be as relevant as loki or momo in the final war, while yamato and wyper won’t be

[hazy turret]

Although shanks edges Mihawk out, I still think Mihawk is more interesting

[ruby cape]

yea I’d say Arlong high diff

[jaunty grail]

it doesn't matter because the same vivre card y'all use to get shanks' height explicitly states that mihawk is the strongest swordsman in both name and reality, height scaling is stupid

[tranquil blade]

Mihawk?? The walking goal post??

[ruby moat]

its kinda hard to do low level matchups that are equalish

[hazy turret]

I wasn’t aware we were discussing relevance, I was talking about strength

[ancient dune]

Mihawk is pretty interesting yeah... that's what I'd say if he had a fucking backstory

[hasty sable]

Mihawk and Shanks were both mystery box characters for the longest time. I still don’t think we know enough about Mihawk but it’s cool he was a cop killer.

[hazy turret]

But sure I can agree that Loki will be more relevant

[urban lodge]

We'll get one

Oda already dropped some hints at his past

[hazy turret]

He is mysterious and isn’t getting giga glazed by Oda 24/7

That’s more interesting to me

[tranquil blade]

Shanks is under glazed by Oda

[quiet ice]

Shanks does what to mihawk????

[urban lodge]

He suffered some kind of bog betrayal

[ruby moat]

at the end of the day mihawk is just a zoro hype tool

[cloud adder]

Real

[river tinsel]

We all have our preferences

[urban lodge]

Okay now we're taking it a bit too far

[ancient dune]

If Mihawk's not connected to the WG in some way, idk how interesting can he be

[hasty sable]

Shanks is just him

[cloud adder]

the real shanks glazing hasnt even started

[jade rain]

A character written for the sole purpose of losing at the end

[fossil anvil]

nah, i meant people who will be big players to the overall lore. loki is special in that case he isn’t an arc princess

[tranquil blade]

That dream was powerful penny

[hasty sable]

Shanks is like if the main character decided not to be the main character

[ruby moat]

indeed

[fossil anvil]

soon 🐿️

[urban lodge]

Much more powerful than I realized...

[cloud adder]

FUCK imagine 1000+ chapters of Shanks focus, would kill for that content

[river tinsel]

Hes more of a protagonist antagonist

[hasty sable]

Shanks Piece with Luffy joining the Red Hairs

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-woah-woah-woah-wait-a-second-wait-a-minute-gif-17687820

[fossil anvil]

he might not be, if the theories connecting him to imu are true

[river tinsel]

Exiting

[jade rain]

I always thought of shanks as just a brother figure for Luffy but this arc made him more interesting

[quiet ice]

Only if Uta is canon

[cloud adder]

why brother and not father?

[hazy turret]

Well, I think he’s an important arc princess. Like shirahoshi and vivi

[tranquil blade]

Luffy has brother figures already

Two

[river tinsel]

Cause dragon i guess

[cloud adder]

even looking at just chapter 1, shanks seems more like a father figure imo

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but Dragon wasnt even present in Luffy's life

[hasty sable]

Loki is the arc princess of Elbaf

[tranquil blade]

At least Shanks was there

[jade rain]

Not old enough, i only felt a elder brother type

[river tinsel]

Its true

[ancient dune]

Shanks's the uncle figure

[river tinsel]

At log town

[cloud adder]

Shanks was 27 in chapter 1.... but aight

[river tinsel]

He saved his life in the beginning

[tranquil blade]

Luffy didnt see him tho, and that was the only time

[hasty sable]

Just like Law was the princess in Dressrosa (sorry Rebecca, Viola)

[river tinsel]

Ye i guess but still his dad

[fossil anvil]

questions to the shanks fans tho, why does shanks keep tabs on bb when they all know his base is at hachinosu? why not just be a chad and storm it like garp did solo, aren’t the RHPs supposedly way stronger than the BB pirates?

[cloud adder]

Nah Law doesnt have colorful hair

[jade rain]

And luffy was 10, and their interactions felt like brothers to me

[hazy turret]

DAMN that was a rough 27

[cloud adder]

sybau every year is a ROUGH year for midd

[tranquil blade]

I mean Garp also lost so

[fossil anvil]

tru tru

[cloud adder]

Luffy was 7

[river tinsel]

But im thinking garp garp raised him so he's luffys father figure shanks just gave him the will to be a pirate

[hasty sable]

Something something balance of power

[cloud adder]

notice how garp failed the mission

[hasty sable]

And last time two world powers got in a war Kaido tried to kill everyone so

[cloud adder]

but lemme copy paste my longer response

[tranquil blade]

Garp failed and Blackbeard wasn't even there

Like what do you think would've happened if the full crew was there

[fossil anvil]

old garp is way weaker than the combined forces of the RHPs tho. garp alone was pushing those guys until shiryu’s stab and the aokiji fight

[river tinsel]

But im thinking garp garp raised him so he's luffys father figure shanks just gave him the will to be a pirate

[cloud adder]

• assuming BB is there, Shanks and crew going to where BB has home field advantage is just strategically a bad idea
• assuming BB isnt there when they arrive, as soon as BB hears that Shanks tried to start a fight at his base, BB has all the reason he needs to go after Shanks territories and its already been made clear that Shanks' ppl are weak and with all the chaos in the past couple years + current events, Shanks doesnt have the manpower to protect his ppl against BB's crew/goons

[tranquil blade]

?

[graceful grove]

oda is hiding shanks from BB. its not that hard

[river tinsel]

You said shanks is more of a dad to luffy as he helped him more than dragon

[jaunty grail]

as a huge shanks fan, the RHPs are not stronger than BB pirates at all lol, shanks isn't taking kuzan and bb in a fight

[tranquil blade]

Yes but the point is that the RHP would suffer heavy casualties if they went in if Garp was not able to overcome half of the titanic captains of the BBP

[jaunty grail]

kuzan would probably solo the RHPs except shanks

[fossil anvil]

Valid

[cloud adder]

Beckman disrespect

[jade rain]

Just like imu didn't go after Luffy earlier

[cloud adder]

Beckman high diffs Kuzan

Shanks has a crew of hakimen cmon guys

[jaunty grail]

bruh 😭

[cloud adder]

Im so fr

[ruby cape]

Chillll put some respect on Beckmans nameeeee

We had Kizaru putting his hands up

[cloud adder]

Kizaru did

[urban lodge]

Beckman sucks

[ruby cape]

[tranquil blade]

Shanks probably wants to beat Blackbeard without losing most of his crew, which is why he's been looking for Blackbeard when he isn't at Hachinosu

[hazy turret]

Kid adorned himself with luxurious jewelry, shanks is a perpetual hobo

[cloud adder]

Kizaru is a smart man

[urban lodge]

Databook man

[cloud adder]

vanity, cringe

[jaunty grail]

bro you got some crazy expectations from shanks shamrock and beckman

[ruby cape]

W DATABOOK W VIVRE CARD

[cloud adder]

you have kinda low expectations

[urban lodge]

Kizaru was making fun of him, he went after Luffy anyway and he couldn't do anything about it

[tranquil blade]

because Shanks is humble

[cloud adder]

RHPs are the crew Luffy is aiming to surpass

[hazy turret]

As if Shanks doesn’t smell his own farts all day

[jaunty grail]

beckman ain't EVER beating kuzan

[cloud adder]

OFC I HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS

[ruby cape]

I just don’t think your expectations SHOULD be low for the RHPs regardless of what you’ve seen man

[cloud adder]

???

rokaya WHAT

[hazy turret]

It’s an EXPRESSION

[ancient dune]

Same reason he doesn't go after Kaido or BM, my headcanon reason is just that Shanks wants to stop BB from jumping Luffy or important people that will be needed for the final war, not necessarily beat his ass like he has some sort of grudge, else BB dies at Marineford

[cloud adder]

IN WHAT WORLD

[jaunty grail]

i get that but beckmann high diffing kuzan is a lil too much imo

[graceful grove]

imu didn't have a real reason until after wano. he thought gorosei can handle it in egghead and he was right until joyboy rope saved Luffy. Imu is right there in person in next arc at the worst location he could be on the planet

he is nothing like shanks

[ruby cape]

Extreme diff to Beckman

[cloud adder]

MF had Kizaru being cautious with Beckmann

Beckman ez admiral level at least

[tranquil blade]

Beckman is probably stronger than like Zoro is at this moment I think

[urban lodge]

Beckman will unfortunately be the 2nd strongest right hand below Rayleigh but he's still way weaker than any admiral

[tranquil blade]

but idk what else to say

[icy wolf]

i always thought kizaru was teasing him

[urban lodge]

He was

[jaunty grail]

yeah that's the only way you can scale him rn

[ruby cape]

Like you can’t scale Beckman off much at the minute but just LOOK AT BRO

[urban lodge]

He went after Luffy anyway and Beckman couldn't do anything about it

[icy wolf]

he puts his hands up for a second and then immediately pisses off to do his own thing and ignores beckmann

[ruby cape]

For what we HAVE seen

I think there’s some justification

[river tinsel]

Tho without a gun beckman is kinda useless

[cloud adder]

if he was teasing it cost them killing law/luffy, would kizaru, the guy that asked sengoku "can we kill them" towards the beginning of the war really have a fumble that bad?

[fossil anvil]

👍

[graceful grove]

he was. kuzan would go toe to toe with him

[river tinsel]

In my opinion

[jaunty grail]

do you also think beckmann beats akainu? 😭

[cloud adder]

"and then immediately" completely incorrect

[cloud adder]

extreme diff against akainu

[tranquil blade]

I'm pretty much gonna assume that until the story tells us Luffy and Shanks are equals as pirates outright

[graceful grove]

probably but we have no way to confirm it

[ancient dune]

He can probably beat ass without bullets, he just swings the gun

[ruby cape]

I think we downscaling Beckman too much here bro

Have expectations

[graceful grove]

nah u funny

[cloud adder]

kizaru only tried attacking law's sub AFTER Shanks declared RHPs intention AND after Kuzan made a move

[river tinsel]

But he needs it in his hands no gun=usless

[icy wolf]

i would be very impressed and surprised if he can beat an admiral

[ancient dune]

Lmao, I guess, like all swordsman

[jade rain]

Imu and gorosei already knew Luffy had the nika df since as early as alabasta. They were literally hunting that df for 800 years, so your telling realistically they won't go after him? It's all just for plot reasons

[cloud adder]

dont let the wakainu agenda blind you, marines are dogwater in the grand scheme

[river tinsel]

Ye i guess but i see what you mean

[cloud adder]

Akainu will be a Sabo victim when Sabo is on his way to help with the Imu fight

[ruby cape]

!kong

[tropic nova]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-is-real-one-piece-live-action-nami-roronoa-zoro-gif-16253456524065335349

[drowsy umbra]

Yo everybody go to manga

[river tinsel]

Why

[graceful grove]

it hasn't been awakened. u realize how much complacency creeps in with 800 years of dominance? it only became a real issue at the end of wano

[drowsy umbra]

Becuz

[fossil anvil]

ye its a combination of bb’s hidden powers that he warned WB about, the casualties of going against a yonko, and the balance of power if he does manage to defeat BB. it’s interesting that he keeps tabs on him tho, what if bb had gone to wano like shanks thought he would? would he have intercepted him there?

[tranquil blade]

It's kinda funny people were trying to hype Kong and the only things he's done in the series so far is get yelled at by Garp and Sengoku

[jade rain]

Who cares if it hasn't been awakened, you do know what they want is the df and we know df could be taken after the user dies