also-manga

[rose rune]

drug franky

[tough dust]

to be fair this is the aftermath of the killing it seems so we not sure.

[formal wagon]

unlike one piece which is based on the real world and will happen soon

[prisma yacht]

Panda flavour cola

[urban lodge]

The years also line up scarily well, there was one 56 years ago which is also when we first see Gunko in the flower room

[iron oriole]

This is true, i'm Imu

[fallen meteor]

powered by the wrong kind of coke

[hazy turret]

hunting is every how many years again

[deep chasm]

3

[iron oriole]

3

[urban lodge]

And we know Esperia doesn't exist anymore

[balmy lava]

yeah, just saying king harald stabbing Jarul he didnt blink

[formal wagon]

unkil saturn pls

[iron oriole]

Nah he deserves it

[trim lily]

hes already alive

[hazy turret]

when was the last one....

[prisma yacht]

Killingham is saturn

[deep chasm]

that is a good question

[raven marten]

What makes you think that? “the world government is evil” Be glad that you get a house

[fallen meteor]

the last hunt was <t:1779651212:R>

[deep chasm]

cuz I guess no reason to assume they stopped dooing it

[mighty quail]

...it's gonna have been the year before Luffy left, isn't it...

[iron oriole]

I think someone did the math & there would be a hunt this year/next year in OP?

[mighty quail]

no wait one second.

[iron oriole]

GV was 38 years ago

[deep chasm]

but I doubt it'll matter cuz theres too much going on for them to try and have another now anyway

[serene plume]

Mihawk is only wss until he realizes brook cut him

[deep chasm]

fr

[hazy turret]

has there been any hints about islands disappearing recently

[balmy lava]

yeah, a hunt I dont see happening again right now.

[hazy turret]

or like before/at around the time luffy left

[prisma yacht]

I have a headcanon for this that the revos attacked one of these hunts collaborating with sengoku and garp causing these hunts to occur with much wider gap years

[hazy turret]

i think its possible

[prisma yacht]

And that this wld be what dragons fb will be based on

[iron oriole]

Other than Thriller Bark theories? Not really idt

[mighty quail]

it would've been literally when Luffy left, so... dunno.

We've had Villa mentioned, but I doubt it's that

[balmy lava]

i was wondering if a CD would try and kidnap a royal like Candelle, and then I forgot that Shirahoshi is a princess and their was basically no repercussions. At the same time, I could see Garlings' father look at Candelle and be like 'there is a noble that would be perfect to create a powerful son of mine'

[deep chasm]

I dont think theres any time for them to do that before Luffy and co would end their rule. And at this moment theres too much going on for them to try and have one even if it has been 3 years since the last one

[prisma yacht]

Queen candice will be remembered

[dense rapids]

When Gunko’s used her arrows it’s usually depicted as a spiral 🌀

This spiral is in reference to the whirlpool that appears when burn scar is seen

[serene plume]

Oda had to nerf brook for like 9 arcs or however long its been since his intro so sanji and zoro could finally reach his level in esperia ❤️🩹

[hazy turret]

i guess if an island gets hunted, it disappears doesnt it
plus they only go to unaffiliated countries surely?

[deep chasm]

probably

[iron oriole]

Shuri is Burn Scar

[dense rapids]

No, Vander Decken

[iron oriole]

No Shuri

[mighty quail]

well that is the question, is Esperia unaffiliated

[prisma yacht]

Wasn't vander decken like very old

[austere comet]

Candel or Cavendish?

[dense rapids]

Yes

[hazy turret]

i dont know i can see the gorosei/holy knights doing one to cover up an evacuation to get the CDs to leave

[balmy lava]

hard to say, I am leaning more towards member nation

[iron oriole]

No it doesn't disappear, the hunts are because they want the resources of the island

[austere comet]

Was Candel enjoying the French Opera???

[iron oriole]

GV just disappeared because of everything that happened

[prisma yacht]

Then what's ur point with relating it to gunko

[deep chasm]

I mean who would it be a cover up for? No one knows about the hunts so its not like anyone will be tricked by it. And just in general they dont really have the forces to allocate for something like this. Dudes dont even got food rn

[hazy turret]

maybe it lost its affiliation status because candel upset imu

[dense rapids]

She’s vander’s descendant

And Vander may be the man marked by flames

[prisma yacht]

Vanders descendants are all very ugly

[dense rapids]

We’ve only seen 1

Who was half Fishman

[prisma yacht]

[vernal ravine]

he talked specifically about the kingdom not the island, the island might still exist

[hazy turret]

we'll see ig, i think if oda really wants to do it he will find a way

[dense rapids]

Vander Decken and Vander Leuven

[hazy turret]

i meant a lie to tell the CDs

[prisma yacht]

Also wasn't it said that all of those descendants were trying to get to the Poseidon?

[dense rapids]

Yes

Which could be the reference of the chapter title

Sung by Brook

[prisma yacht]

Their nose matches

[tough dust]

i would be shocked if gaban even entertains the idea of forgiving her

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[iron oriole]

Yes

[prisma yacht]

Davy d leuven brother of davy d xebec

[deep chasm]

I think Gaban is wise enough to forgive her if he understands shes being controlled

I mean he saw harald too

so he'd def forgive her if he knows she's being controlled

[tough dust]

yeah fairs

[prisma yacht]

That's his dream tho

[dense rapids]

See I thought something similar

But I think it’s Davy and Vander

Like fmi

[deep chasm]

is it possible gunko is freed this arc , or will this not be resolved til the final war

[dense rapids]

Hody Jones and Vander Decken

[hasty sable]

She was brainwashed it’s cool

[urban lodge]

I think he would have no problem doing so, he has seen first hand through Harald what a contract with Imu can do to you

[hasty sable]

Gunko will be saved here I think

[dense rapids]

Does anyone know if Brook is connected to spiders

[deep chasm]

I also kinda think so

[iron oriole]

The only freedom without killing Imu is probably death so no

[deep chasm]

I mean who knows

Im expecting brook to have some soul power shit that helps

[ashen perch]

I mean in the case of Nami, disregarding my theory on it for a sec, I just don't think anyone should be inherently against the idea without knowing what purpose its gonna serve. You can go at it for as long as you want about why it would or wouldnt be needed, its as pointless an exercise as it was when people were asking me what Brook's past is meant to tie into prior to this arc. At the end of the day, this stuff has been great imo and I have yet to see any reason to believe that Oda won't execute these future cases with the same level of ability. For me, that matters a lot more than the amount of times that a fated connection has been incorporated in the series.

I can't ask you to suspend your disbelief as much as me, but my point was that if you've managed to look past the hundreds of fated connections and whatnot already, I think asking for a bit more of that isnt unfair. The series inherently is so fantastical and dreamy that I don't even question it anymore personally, you don't have to be agreeing with me on this but at the very least I just dont think this is the place to draw a line at after so long.

[deep chasm]

or maybe its a chopper thing idk

[prisma yacht]

I'd suggest you to check thriller bark

[hasty sable]

Imu directly hurting Brook also gives Luffy more incentive to want to take him down

[ashen perch]

yeah I am thinking its something to do with him losing his flesh as well

[urban lodge]

I'm sure there's SOME way to get rid of the mark without Imu dying

[balmy lava]

jones and decken history

[dense rapids]

THRE THRILLER BARK SPIDER

[dense rapids]

Decken and Jones

[vernal ravine]

black maria too

[ashen perch]

tbh I cant see that because the skeleton is such an inherent part of his design, but I do think we're leading to a major powerup and later on (not this arc), awakening as well

[dense rapids]

The whirlpool

[prisma yacht]

:0

[dense rapids]

That’s the Vander Decken connected

Only 4 legs but

[prisma yacht]

History?

[dense rapids]

The Decken are connected to spiders and sharks

[ashen perch]

youre thinking the opera playing is the flying dutchmann right?

[urban kiln]

brook was that "bit more" is the issue.

Anyway, this argument kinda goes out the window when you consider a non strawhat ally could have your same nami's backstory idea. Thus making it so that all these random dingy nerds found in the east blue don't all have stupid grandiose family lineages.

It doesn't have to be Nami, but if it is Nami, then I'd dislike it. Simple as.

[dense rapids]

Yea

Or it’ll be played in one of these chapters

[balmy lava]

lots of legs....and maybe some with many arms

[dense rapids]

Hmmm

[ashen perch]

yeah it'd make sense, but I wonder how that story got passed down to Esperia

[mighty quail]

I think it might be a temporary thing related to awakening, so he'll probably keep the skeleton

[prisma yacht]

Thriller bark was such a creepy arc bro

[deep chasm]

I wonder if any more gods will have songs, maybe just the earth god since so far we got sun god rain god (I assume imu is forest god) all with songs

[dense rapids]

The cover of 784 foreshadows the crew of the black ship

[dense rapids]

The undead pirates

[iron oriole]

Earth God plays "Earth Song" by Michael Jackson

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-gif-17669636417504589408

[deep chasm]

earth god will have the best beat

[deep chasm]

"the drums of the strongest"

[prisma yacht]

1181 was the last time we saw Luffy right

[dense rapids]

1184 we may heard the Vander name

[prisma yacht]

biblu ☝️

[dense rapids]

Oh yea

[prisma yacht]

Picnic with zombies

[dense rapids]

Black Maria is a spider that Brook fought

[hazy turret]

FISHER TIGER NOOOOO

[dense rapids]

And she plays the shamisen

[iron oriole]

Pfft Robin fought her

[dense rapids]

Gunko/brook/esperia and the harp

[ashen perch]

Well its only Nami that has all the connections to Imu that Oda's subtly setup throughout the series so nah it cant.

Just as I am sure no one but Zoro could possibly be connected to Nusjuro, for all the reasons I described earlier.

I'd dislike either of them depending on how Oda executes the concept and not at the mere presence of the concept, I guess we disagree on that so oh well

[iron oriole]

Brook just escorted

[dense rapids]

Brook connection still

[iron oriole]

Sanji connection too

He has swirls as well, what now?

[dense rapids]

“Dead men tell no tales”

[native cloud]

Hey, whatchu think the Chopper & Ragnir interaction will look like lol?

[hazy turret]

if nami is related to imu
and imu "desires" vivi
does that mean...?

[prisma yacht]

Alien

[dense rapids]

Sanji’s swirls are connected to devil fruits

I’m talking about whirlpools

[ashen perch]

''I dont get what he's saying, its some ancient animal language that I cant decipher''

[prisma yacht]

🚀 👾

[ashen perch]

yes.

[iron oriole]

And connecting them with DFs too

[native cloud]

What is this Rokaya

[ashen perch]

way ahead of you rokaya smh

[hazy turret]

red you have to get on board with this one dude

[native cloud]

Doubt it

He speaks animal

[hazy turret]

man i wanted the additional brook backstory before you little bud

[hasty sable]

Turns out Ragnir is racist

[trim lily]

the tower of babel hasnt hit the animal kingdom in one piece yet

[native cloud]

Chopper speaks animal

[ashen perch]

youre assuming all animal lingo is the same

[native cloud]

Yes

Is that wrong

[ashen perch]

Chopper's not going to understand Ragnir, and yes it'll be convenient but its just how it is

you cannot have this guy talk

it will break the story

[trim lily]

and yet he will

[ashen perch]

no he wont

[hasty sable]

Maybe he can talk about some things but not everything

[trim lily]

[native cloud]

You losing me

[hazy turret]

you dare doubt the great forest god chopper

[ashen perch]

he's gonna gegegegegegegegegege forever

[trim lily]

i hope ragnir swears a lot

[prisma yacht]

newhehehe

[hasty sable]

Rayleigh didn’t break the story

[iron oriole]

You can tell he does

[tranquil blade]

He looks like he does

[hasty sable]

Zunesha didn’t either

[iron oriole]

He calling Imu all kinds of names

[native cloud]

Lmao

[dense rapids]

Also extreme schizo theory

But if Vander Decken is the captain of the black ship

Then Yorki may be alive on it in a similar situation to Brook

[trim lily]

zunesha talking would break the story

[hazy turret]

holy mother of fakeouts...

[ashen perch]

well I mean Rayleigh was intentional about it

[iron oriole]

Emet talked & didn't break the story

[dense rapids]

It was never said he died tho

[urban lodge]

Wow new jump cover is kinda cursed

[dense rapids]

Just that he went alone into the calm belt

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-fire-elmo-anarchy-blues-gif-25903479

[trim lily]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-why-are-you-blue-gif-15851792565936245960

[hazy turret]

but the implication is heavy, and thats why people get annoyed at them

[ashen perch]

Emet didnt care about what he was saying lol, he was just incomprehensible

[dense rapids]

Brook wandering alone in the Florian triangle and meets Luffy

Yorki wandering in the calm belt and meets Vander Decken

But that’s probably schizo

[ashen perch]

Zunesha too

[native cloud]

Unc that was just pure English/Japanese

[urban kiln]

looks at vivi

[ashen perch]

Imu:

no but again, yknow thats the red herring smh

[dense rapids]

And I’m hope I’m not wrong about Buggy because all of these connections are coming from when I was looking into him and Gunko 😭

I don’t want Vander Buggy

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-cat-scuba-scuba-cat-ai-gif-4141008857407916071

[hasty sable]

Vivi is the one being actively set up to be Imu’s incel crush

[prisma yacht]

Penny check manga it might get weird there

[urban kiln]

but it also could not be, in which case, it doesnt have to "only be nami"

wow!

[native cloud]

I’m late, what is this? Is see Imu and Nami in the same sentence 👀

[iron oriole]

Eww venturing into manga

[ashen perch]

also that cant be right... didnt you start reading back in like 2022

[prisma yacht]

Penny is now friends with many manga users

[dense rapids]

Also the helm of Vander decken’s ship is his power

[iron oriole]

Wtf

[dense rapids]

It’s a bird type ability

[hasty sable]

Also that Oda was gonna do additional Nami backstory in a movie makes me think it’s ultimately inconsequential

[iron oriole]

The only person i know who goes in manga often is my fellow Unc

[ashen perch]

the 16 stuff were the main connections I was talking about

While Vivi ofc has a very clear connection with Imu, he just has a lot of people he's interested in and even if its not a red herring, it will coexist with his interest in Nami

[ashen perch]

he decided it was too much for a movie

twice

[urban kiln]

good thing 16 stuff is a theory and not guaranteed to be leading toa grand reveal

[iron oriole]

Because nobody wants that, they want to see cool fighting

[ashen perch]

yes

[iron oriole]

Oda knows his audience

[ashen perch]

he quite literally said that lol

[ashen perch]

we'll see what it leads to!

[native cloud]

[dense rapids]

“Teacher there’s a strange bird flying”

[wraith mantle]

she has long hair here

curious

[urban kiln]

and if it leads to that I wouldnt be unreasonable to dislike it ty

[dense haven]

thats candice

[wraith mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270006797467779083/331268562670977025/videotogif_2017.07.02_21.52.15.gif

[ashen perch]

Q: Did you have any intention to show Nami's past here (referring to Nami's non canon flashback in Film Gold)

Oda: No, thats what Mr. Kuroiwa, the scriptwriter thought about so I just allowed it. I told him not to over visiting on the character. Maybe he thought of Karina as a character that resembles nami. Mr. Kuroiwa was also the one who created both Karina and Mad Treasure, so no, it wasn't in my plan at all.

I also have thought of a completely different (past) story for her. Of course, a "Nami's real parents..." story is too much for a film, but as long as it doesn't overlap with the original manga, it was OK"

Source: One Piece Gold Backstage Pass

People forget about this one and only remember Strong World smh

[iron oriole]

@prisma yacht

[ashen perch]

Gold in general is very interesting

[prisma yacht]

CANDICE NUTS FIT IN YO MOUTH

Hahahahahahahahah

[ashen perch]

Oda storyboarded the entire last 10 minutes of it, and it has a parallel drawn between Tesoro and Luffy

[urban lodge]

Sign of Imu possession

[dense haven]

wtf thats the cool s

didn't know oda was based

[balmy lava]

https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1472027136146538547

[ashen perch]

I wonder what Oda was cooking with it, it always stands out

and when I say storyboarded, I use that term a bit loosely

Oda just drew a couple of chapters for them, in a rough way lol

[dense rapids]

It’s the gomu pattern

[dense haven]

yall still believe in the ring eye theory

[ashen perch]

maybe you'd end up loving what comes out of it man, thats all I am saying

[trim lily]

caribou is imu's son

[urban kiln]

can still dislike that element of it

Im not saying Id denounce one piece

lol

[celest mauve]

do we think oda can even give brook a second backstory but have nothing new for his heroine

[ashen perch]

well in that case that dislike wouldnt even matter

[ashen perch]

I dont think so at all lol

[celest mauve]

I hope

[ashen perch]

this actually started from me saying something similar to that lol

[celest mauve]

this is the film gold scene oda drew sketches for btw

[ashen perch]

these seeds that had been sown decades back are all going to bear fruit, its unreasonable to think otherwise

[celest mauve]

how much longer do we gotta wait

[ashen perch]

final war

[urban kiln]

???? Yes it would

I have plenty of series I love that have elements I dislike within it

Im not saying it ruins the story for me

it just detracts from it

[rose rune]

this is how it is with all media

[urban kiln]

yes

[rose rune]

you should be able to criticize things about it

[wraith mantle]

you dare criticize goda?

[rose rune]

yes

[brittle basin]

you wouldn't criticize buffy

[rose rune]

I can find no faults with buffy

[ashen perch]

That wasnt what I meant though, I meant that if that same element you dislike leads to an incredible payoff for example, you're naturally going to soften up on it lol

[brittle basin]

Thank you for finding no faults with me (i was not talking about the show )

[rose rune]

oh I meant you. there's plenty of issues with the show

[celest mauve]

I personally think a second nami backstory or some kind of new development for her would raise this manga from a paltry 4/10 to an easy 11/10 instantly

[brittle basin]

no don't do that

[ashen perch]

ofc this is a big if, but I am just saying, you can be against an idea now and not really have any clue how you're gonna react to it when its in execution

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-hand-controlling-gif-9521722090425862479

[ashen perch]

it goes both ways too, you can like an idea and then end up disliking how it plays out lol

[rose rune]

actually I find that it detracts from payoffs a lot

[urban kiln]

I would not soften up on my dislike of the coincidences piling up. I might like the writing that the relationship leads to , but I would still dislike that all of our crew has a stupid major character lineage. And my disbelief would have been reached

why do you try to twist things so much

people can dislike things you like bro...

[ashen perch]

I didnt say otherwise vro...

[rose rune]

vro...

[urban kiln]

you kinda did

[rose rune]

yeah

[prisma yacht]

vro

[rustic coral]

Whats the problem

[ashen perch]

I said you'd naturally soften up on that aspect of it, I guess maybe not if you're really insisting upon it

[iron oriole]

Red dislikes something that Arsal doesn't

[urban kiln]

long argument

[ashen perch]

I was generalizing so my bad, but this is how it often goes

[rustic coral]

Tldr

[hazy turret]

I started and caught up in 2021

[ashen perch]

tl;dr I am right and he's wrong (I am kidding)

[urban kiln]

im working arsal so you explain

[rustic coral]

Waitt he hates Brook

[ashen perch]

noooooo

[rustic coral]

Yea red you are wrong

[urban kiln]

you read wrong

idk where you got that

[rustic coral]

Tera agrees with you so...

[urban kiln]

everyone agreed with me

[rose rune]

I dunno, in my experience exposure to the same trope over and over worsens what I feel about it.
except maybe in the sense that they make me laugh in some odd cases

[urban kiln]

arsal was alone in this argument

[rustic coral]

If the argument was about the lineage of the SHs then ig

But its obvious that fate has been all leading to this

[urban kiln]

tldr I like brook's backstory but this is my limit for second strawhat backstories revealing coincidental relevance to major characters related to their lineage so I dont want more

[rose rune]

I have read so many things and seen so many series and movies that use the same tropes, that I naturally have less of a tolerance to certain tropes

[urban kiln]

arsal says nami should also have it

[ashen perch]

It was about the fated connections in the story basically fed, Red thinks that we're at a point where its harder to suspend his disbelief on all these characters being linked to some significant event or character in the past and I found it a bit bewildering that its not been accepted as inherent to the series at this point, and why people would insist that there's some quantifiable limit on it without really knowing how this stuff is meant to play out in the future

[iron oriole]

i end up becoming kinda numb to the overused tropes, its like isekais... at some point you can expect a harem to be formed & i just dont even care atp

[rustic coral]

I wouldnt mind

[prisma yacht]

[rose rune]

oh, I drop the shit out of series over certain tropes

[ashen perch]

@warm lance english only server btw

[rustic coral]

I agree with u arsal

[iron oriole]

i've only ever dropped 1 series & that was JJK

[rose rune]

yeah I dropped that one too

[celest mauve]

?

[rustic coral]

Brook hater...

[wraith mantle]

i am surprised isekais ended up being a harem simulator genre

[rose rune]

I read like 60 something chapters and told myself "yeah. seen it before" and dropped it

[celest mauve]

I like brook and I like a second backstory for him, I think the timing sucks though

[ashen perch]

no Tera agrees with me on the Nami thing

well actually

[wraith mantle]

the concept is interesting and can be made into something a lot more creative

[ashen perch]

not Nerona Nami per se

[celest mauve]

I mean I'm open to it if it makes sense

[ashen perch]

but on the idea of a 2nd Nami backstory at the very least

[iron oriole]

i stuck with it for as long as i could but a lot of things pissed me off about it, it was almost done too

[celest mauve]

yeah

[hazy turret]

I dropped JJK, Bleach, Dr Stone, Beastars, and Berserk

[wraith mantle]

berserk?

[iron oriole]

Rokaya baiting?

[wraith mantle]

niggas swear its the most peak shit

[urban kiln]

lets not move to other series discussion while OP convo was ongoing

[ashen perch]

oh okay well I still believed in it before you smh, before you were even reading

[celest mauve]

I should I say I like brook in passing, haven't genuinely been that invested in him though

[iron oriole]

mb Red

[hazy turret]

Proof?

[iron oriole]

i got distracted by trope talk

[rose rune]

tbh I've kinda dropped berserk as well... at least I haven't read any chapters since right before the author died

[rustic coral]

Tera...

[celest mauve]

[urban kiln]

brook is my like 4th fav SH

[hazy turret]

I mean you can’t completely blame him, it’s hard for people to care about characters that don’t get much to do every arc

[trim lily]

"soon"

[ashen perch]

I think I didnt say it before this but my bad, I hadnt done a reread of the series when I joined the server

[celest mauve]

outside of WCI, what has bro done since thriller bark and until elbaf

[ashen perch]

that 2020 reread was my awakening

[celest mauve]

like genuinely lol

[hazy turret]

A broken clock…

[prisma yacht]

Only 5 years hasshh

[wraith mantle]

he spammed yohohoho

[static dune]

Sadly I don’t think it’s the year of Usopp 🙈

[ashen perch]

I have been right many times this arc smh

[hazy turret]

I didn’t need a reread to say the same thing btw

[ashen perch]

yeah because you had just seen the series bro

[iron oriole]

he cut off Saturns leg

escorted the GOAT in Wano too

[celest mauve]

hey at least that shit isn't annoying like sanji's bum-ass gags more than half the time

that's something

[hazy turret]

I like him a lot, but you’re not wrong. He was on the sidelines in wano, and don’t let anyone try to tell you otherwise

[ashen perch]

I was like 13 when I first saw Thriller Bark, 7 years before my reread that awakened my brain

[rose rune]

honestly don't know how I would rank the straw hats. but I think my top 4 is
1: Robin
2: Luffy
3: Nami
4: Usopp

[celest mauve]

wow

[iron oriole]

changed your mind right?

[celest mauve]

he cut that one number ig and then uhhh yeah that's about it

[ashen perch]

Brook is good in Wano, he's just the type to be lowkey about what he does

[celest mauve]

totally

[hazy turret]

I literally peaked at 13 actually

[rose rune]

!brain

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/951943186211823616/Capture_decran_2022-03-09_a_15.png

[hazy turret]

But that’s besides the point

[ashen perch]

lmao

[celest mauve]

ok to be more fair, robin and brook were an enjoyable duo whenever they were on screen in wano

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-funny-big-mom-franky-brook-gif-23707214

[prisma yacht]

Pink arsal

[iron oriole]

peak Brook

[celest mauve]

I'll give that to brook

[rustic coral]

I've always seen OP as a series where inherited will and the past have shaped our characters, going against what the top-down WG wanted. It makes sense that the strongest wills in the world have been shaped by some important lineages, whether we know them or not. Bellemere finding Nami will always be what defines her, but her having an important lineage could add more things she has to live up to and shape her now

[iron oriole]

Wano was amazing for me because of this, my 2 fave SHs together

[ashen perch]

He founds the poneglyphs, he cuts a Number + BM's gifters at the same time, he froze Wanyudo and BM's flames, he escorted Robin while she was knocked out and protected her from Cipher Pol as much as he could, his dynamic with Robin in general is really sweet.

[urban kiln]

I view inherited will less as a literal inherited will through lineage etc, and more as just the ability to inherit the wills of others and carry on their legacy or dreams despite not actually being related to them at all

and I view the requirement of some sort of important lineage as kinda a shitty message

or way to convey that theme

[ashen perch]

btw, a fascinating thing from Onigashima that I yelled about many times back in Onigashima was how Oda offscreened the nightmares that Brook faces from the poison mist

[rustic coral]

I also view it as that

[wet condor]

The bloodlines don't bother me but I know that a lot of people like the idea that you don't have to be related to someone or to a particular bloodline to carry on their will

[ashen perch]

that was another way in which Oda cleverly hid his past from us

[rustic coral]

I dont think you need an important lineage

[hazy turret]

Does this just not signal that in order to be important or to have a strong will, you need to be genetically blessed ?

[wraith mantle]

thats why shanks couldn't be joyboy

[rustic coral]

But i think it adds more weight to the world if it exists

[wraith mantle]

even though hes probably half joyboy hald cd

[rustic coral]

I have never talked about genetics

[trim lily]

i feel like the whole point of inherited will is you dont have to be part of that bloodline or lineage to carry on someone's ideals

[wet condor]

The "Will of D" indicated from jump there were a special group of people

[ashen perch]

I already had this with Red but I think the series pretty clearly utilizes these fated connections in defiance of it

[rose brook]

wrong channel xD

[rustic coral]

In fact genetics have only shaped characters up to a certain point, but they always ended up rendering the bigs complacent (see Big Mom)

[ashen perch]

that is why found family is such a core theme of the series too, its hardly ever their real family that defines the people that they are meant to be

[languid herald]

Tragic💔

[rustic coral]

Like korozumi tama...

[ashen perch]

Sanji's not Judge, Franky's not Queen, Luffy's not Dragon, Ace hates even the IDEA of being anything like Roger, you get the idea

[hazy turret]

what do you think lineage is

[rustic coral]

The past

The same way Oda uses it

[ashen perch]

I used the Shanks example because its one of my big theories about an important fated connection in the story

I think hes the descendant of Joyboy

[wet condor]

Believable

[ashen perch]

but actually, his story is going to be one of defiance of what Roger Pirates thought he was destined to be

[rustic coral]

In Egghead we also found out that in OP memories become part of your DNA partially

[hazy turret]

thats basically how real genetics work

[wet condor]

I don't know about defiance. Defiance suggests that he's actively rejecting it

[ashen perch]

He's the child of destiny because they thought he's the man meant to shoulder centuries of history and go up against the WG like Joyboy

[dark nymph]

that last msg..

[rustic coral]

Memories???

[ashen perch]

its true

[wet condor]

But I can see him not fulfilling the prophecy or expectations that other people set out for him by following his own will

[ashen perch]

I mean

he is

[dark nymph]

zoros 2nd flashback was an sbs

[rustic coral]

@ashen perch why did you think brook was getting one

[dark nymph]

I mean thats fairly obvious he was getting one this arc, lets not give arsal credit

[ashen perch]

the hints from Thriller Bark fed, there are two panels where he talks about a certain kingdom that he lead a battle convoy in

[ashen perch]

it was before the arc smh

[wet condor]

He can actively reject it in the sense that he doesn't follow it. But I mean it in the sense that he refuses because he recognizes what it is and going out of his way to prevent it from being true

[dark nymph]

oh okay fair then, i thought those were all within elbaph release

[dense haven]

because every sh is getting one

[wet condor]

I don't think he's doing the latter thing.

[rustic coral]

Not franky

[wet condor]

Shanks is just doing what he wants

[rustic coral]

He is gonna keep being mid

Sasaki was his best chance

[dark nymph]

will zoro get one

[ashen perch]

I mean lets think back to Buggy's disappointment with him, a core part of that is that he suddenly decided to not be the man that Roger's crew wanted him to be

he's running from the weight that is being put on his shoulders, actively

[wet condor]

I don't think he's "running" from it though. He's like just like "I don't want to do that" is what I'm saying lol

[trim lily]

yeah i wouldn’t say he’s running from it

[ashen perch]

eh I'd say thats running lol

[wet condor]

And he's just doing what he wants

[dark nymph]

I wish Zoro wasn't so confident and gaf about his past a little bit so we can have a 2nd flashback

[ashen perch]

he will

[trim lily]

does zoro need another flashback

we saw his childhood

[ashen perch]

he will

[dark nymph]

need? no

but I want it cause more Zoro

[wet condor]

I forget the exact details of the conversation

[ashen perch]

A core part of that dynamic is Buggy believing that Shanks ran away from what Roger wished for him

[dense haven]

buggy and shanks dynamic is underrated af

[wet condor]

Well that's Buggy's perceptions

[hazy turret]

not literal memories, thats why i said thats basically how it works
some sort of experience makes you/group of people more susceptible or vulnerable to certain behaviors and its possible for those same genes to be passed down

[trim lily]

shuggy will be real

[wet condor]

Shanks is just doing whatever he wants

[languid herald]

My buh fulla shiii

[wet condor]

He's not bound to what Buggy believes

[ashen perch]

like

The face of a man who clearly doesn't want it lol

[hazy turret]

so again, the people with the strongest wills being because of their lineage would literally mean they have a genetic advantage over everyone else

[wet condor]

Or just doesn't care about being the guy to be it

[dense haven]

eugenics piece

[wet condor]

Or doesn't think he's it for whatever reason

[ashen perch]

yeah, which goes against the expectation that Roger's crew placed on him Music, thats the point

[hazy turret]

because he knows filthy celestial blood wouldnt be allowed to accept it

[dark nymph]

Shanks confirming lineage piece

Oda is washed

[ashen perch]

no Gaban shuts him off lol

[hazy turret]

thats what roger told him that made him cry

[dark nymph]

I know, let me slander Oda in peace smh

[trim lily]

weird thing for roger to say right as he came back

[wet condor]

I don't know. Defy makes it seem like he's rejecting it in a way of like he's entirely against the idea or whatever. He just doesn't care about it lol

And doesn't really think it's him

[fast pagoda]

Buggy is Shanks' real rival

Not "Mihawk"

[hazy turret]

lend me some oda slander, rezz
this is base arsal we're up against

[ashen perch]

I mean defiance is just the refusal to obey, he's refusing to obey what they want out of him

[dark nymph]

there was a good one earlier today about Oda finding the worldbuilding cheat code by inventing islands that just get nuked later on

[wet condor]

If you want to use it in that sense, I'll agree but I think the word itself connotes a certain thing lol

[ashen perch]

I actually could slander Oda better than y'all

[fallow lotus]

and i could slander usopp better than anyone else

[ashen perch]

only I can beat myself (not literally that'd be painful)

[wet condor]

Becuase I won't deny he's not pursuing what Buggy or whoever else thought he'd be

[dapper tree]

oda slander tiering?

[ashen perch]

no you couldnt!

[wet condor]

I agree

[ashen perch]

yeah music, I guess we'll see the extent of his defiance

we dont quite understand what this man is all about after all

we only have bits and pieces about Shanks, so I am just going off of it

[ashen perch]

I mean why would Esperia even get mentioned before?

[trim lily]

the shanks joyboy talk reminded me that blackbeard being a descendant of joyboy is dead now

oda should cater to me more

[dark nymph]

I mean there's also the fact he doesn't have to worry about the broader implications about having a new island at all

[ashen perch]

I think the actual problem is that people refuse to believe that nobody's gonna talk about anything until the time is right, its either because they'd rather not recall it or more usually, there would be no in story reason whatsoever to bring it up

like for example, the last thing Robin wants is to awaken the ancient weapons

she was horrified by even hearing that Oden wanted to awaken Pluton

so naturally, she has every reason to never talk about it until the time is right

[balmy lava]

I didnt pick up that foreign leaders were already trying to capture the queen to be with them.

[deep chasm]

strawhats just never talk to each other anyway

[ashen perch]

they do

they literally talked about the ancient weapons already lol

Luffy said nah

[ashen perch]

which is true, but its not like theres anything its conflicting with either so he can chill about it anyways

[prisma yacht]

Arsal are u fat

[ashen perch]

⁉️

[prisma yacht]

[ashen perch]

⁉️ ⁉️ ⁉️ ⁉️ ⁉️ ⁉️ ⁉️

[dark nymph]

easy worldbuilding points

[ashen perch]

what made you go with that message bro

[trim lily]

good question

[prisma yacht]

Tha ks

I was curious

[ashen perch]

I am a discord moderator, we all are

[ashen perch]

but no sorry I am not lol, I just dont get what brought this on

[prisma yacht]

Crazy emoji bro

[thick mango]

i used to exercise not at all, get high and eat like 6000 calories of taco bell, nothing. Now I gotta walk like 10 miles a week to avoid getting fat

[gritty tangle]

He’s not fat, he’s pleasantly plump

[prisma yacht]

I wanted to use that yummers gif

:<

[dark nymph]

is "One Piece HEROINES" canon in any way?

[ashen perch]

nah not really

[gritty tangle]

Yes, they all do heroin in the end

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/yummers-a-train-homelander-the-boys-fat-gif-27701858

[quiet ice]

It’s more canon that chapter number inversions

[ashen perch]

Oda's sort of consulted on the novels but its just ''can I do this?'' ''sure I dont care''

[dark nymph]

Kinda funny how they threw this in there, about Sabo telling Robin not to luffy about his survival lol

[trim lily]

i think it’s best to consider all the novels canon

why wouldn’t you want more one piece

[dark nymph]

I think its best to consider none of them canon

and to not consider vivre cards canon either

manga only.

[prisma yacht]

When is heroines even releasing

[quiet ice]

Cause they give ace a marine love interest lol

[ashen perch]

I just wouldnt consider anything not from Oda canon

in regards to the Ace Novels, Oda was even telling the writers that they are free to imagine as much as possible, so theres a level of freedom being given to them without taking much into consideration

[dark nymph]

I remember when I thought PH islands was a result of DF awakening, and this mf told me erm actually according to the vivre cards ... day ruined

[deep chasm]

what did the vivre cards say about punk hazard

[quiet ice]

Vivre cards are canon

[ashen perch]

It repeated what the manga said but worded it slightly different

[urban kiln]

More doesnt always mean better. Written and canonized by Oda is the only thing that matters

[trim lily]

i think its more fun to expand the range but i get it

[ashen perch]

Thats what the flavor text in all the Vivre Cards is like, those lines arent from Oda, they are from a team of writers that sat down to interpret the series

[fast pagoda]

This guy takes oda as his canon source

[prisma yacht]

So novels are like au

[trim lily]

canonize one piece academy

[fast pagoda]

Imagine not letting your headcanon write the story in the big 26

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-17755263804686291502

[ruby cape]

Which of the novels did yall read

[ashen perch]

You can always tell what actually is from Oda, its not the interpretations, its the actual new information and his sketches

[trim lily]

none

[wet condor]

I only consider what Oda wrote to be canon. But I don't mind sometimes including the ambiguous canon stuff just for the sake of conversation. I used to do this in other fandoms I was in

[prisma yacht]

none

[trim lily]

the only one piece spinoff ive read is academy

[quiet ice]

Gear death

[ruby cape]

I did buy Law's novel cause I had a bit of change but its been collecting dust

I think because it's Law

[trim lily]

the fandom is going to be begging for new works to canonize after the manga ends

[ashen perch]

Oda is actually consulted on that too

[trim lily]

i dont fully believe that but alright

[hasty sable]

is Luffy a delinquent in academy

[trim lily]

kind of

[hasty sable]

nice

[trim lily]

in the recent chapter hes fighting blackbeard with sabo ace and yamato

[ashen perch]

the writers ask Oda about what they are allowed to do, they work on agreed upon settings

thats how the Ace Novel's writing process was described, when they said he was consulted on it

I imagine its kind of the same deal with Academy too

[prisma yacht]

uwu

gn

[celest mauve]

oda wrote the plot of strong world but it's still not a canon story, idk about the novels

probably not canon either

[icy wolf]

if its not in the manga i dont really take it as canon

besides sbs

[dark nymph]

oh yeah let me glaze Oda for a bit, the art this chapter was so good

[quiet ice]

The front of the vivre cards are literally just “name, age, gender, pronouns, haki, style of laugh”. I don’t think saying a team of writers doing flavor text is correct. They literally just go through the manga and collate info. Sometimes the other side has concept art or the characters history. You make it sound like they’re writing fanfic

[dark nymph]

the lighting especially with Imu/Loki clash is cool asf

lots of very detailed structures in Brook's flashback panels

Oda is back

[dark nymph]

in Elbaph in particular

Its like im waiting for that quality drop but it just keeps getting better

[ashen perch]

Its not necessarily fanfiction but its essentially a compilation of information that we're already aware of, coupled with some new information and older/newer concept art that they do get from Oda. The back of the card is what mainly is interpretation based outside of the concept art, and Oda's clearly not involved in the writing of it. Thats why you get mistakes like for example, Shanks being called an Emperor back when he stayed in East Blue for an year. Until Chapter 957, we had no reason to believe that he wasnt so naturally, the team of superfans writing it didnt even suspect that it could be false.

[ashen perch]

he definitely is, the artwork's been at some of its best since his fall off at the start of Onigashima

that reminds me, lemme read Viz rq

[balmy lava]

battle convey symbol, the bovine skull

[ashen perch]

I have this theory that Oda didnt know that people were going crazy over Imu being hot until the last 2 chapters and I think Oda's proving me right on that

[balmy lava]

https://tenor.com/view/fabio-hair-fire-gif-7819311

[icy wolf]

this dude really has one facial expression

[ashen perch]

feels like he's actively drawing him really nicely the last 2 chapters, the flowing hair is so sick

he looks incredible

[hasty sable]

Oda created a tumbler frankestein monster with Imu

[icy wolf]

everytime imu opens his mouth its a lore drop hes great

[ashen perch]

I think Oda was clued in on the reactions by an editor, and he has really been leaning into it

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-episode-1119-imu-looking-at-sabo-gif-3150554157530427386

[icy wolf]

it was funny when he started talking to ragnir

[hasty sable]

beefing with a squirrel

[jade rain]

Atleast he is the only character that looks good even without the eyebrows

[dense rapids]

We might see Garling father in this flashback and he could look like one of these

[icy wolf]

hes so hot i didnt even realise he doesnt have eyebrows

[urban kiln]

aura

[ashen perch]

speaking of terrible fathers

Judge's not born yet, so I wonder if we'll see Sanji's Grandfather here lol

[stone tulip]

Yeah Oda cooked with Imu’s design so far

[ashen perch]

We know Brook was terrified of the Vinsmokes for some reason, maybe that will get referenced here atleast

[stone tulip]

Yeah the more we get to know Imu the more he becomes interesting which is fitting for final villain for the series at this point

[ashen perch]

I am expecting all the things that Brook's referenced over the years to indicate his deep historical knowledge to get referenced in some way atleast, the Germa thing being one of them

[stone tulip]

I think it’s because he was aware of their reputation but maybe there is more to it than that

[ashen perch]

it definitely could be that simple, but lets see

[stone tulip]

Cause it all depends on when Brook became a pirate and Join Yorki’s crew

And what just happened before that

Which honest I am very excited for the most cause I had been waiting for Brook’s backstory to be expanded upon for years

[ashen perch]

We know Yorki's from the West Blue so I am expecting him to show up at some point here atleast

[urban kiln]

as an aside, I like that mobsters attacked brook's town

considering capone comes from west blue

[lofty fern]

He looks so hot...

https://x.com/__DeepSeart__/status/2058571891963568504?s=20

-DeepSea.Art-|| Study Arc || (@__DeepSeart__)

Kid IMU hitting the Nika pose

#ONEPIECE

X · May 24, 2026, 3:32 PM

[rose rune]

took me way too long to realize his name is your key

[lofty fern]

Such a cute team!
https://x.com/K0muuuug1xxx/status/2058142223435444336?s=20

こむぎ (@K0muuuug1xxx)

共闘！

X · May 23, 2026, 11:05 AM

[royal orchid]

askeladd?

[wet condor]

Who is that?

Is that Garling?

Old Zoro?

Rayleigh?

[fast pagoda]

Yall arent ready for Candelle

[wet condor]

He's got old man swagger

[fast pagoda]

She's a top tier

[royal orchid]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2058594407897518217

Rom'Piece! (@RomPieceG5)

in Ch. 906 where Imu first appears, he is seen guarding the giant Straw Hat in a saferoom. The symbol beneath looks like a wave with a sea clam in the center. In Ch. 1183, Esperia Kingdom has the exact same symbol. Oda, what are you hinting at? #ONEPIECE1183

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FixupX · May 24, 2026, 5:02 PM

these theory people bro

how do they find these

[urban lodge]

They definitely used baby Shuri as a reference for this lol

[inner agate]

this server has a whole dedicated forum for that symbol bro

https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1472027136146538547

[urban kiln]

someone else said its garling's daddy I think

[rose rune]

I just noticed that candella actually has some width to her. she's skinny sure, but she doesn't look as unhealthy as most one piece women

actual space for some intestines

[urban kiln]

the red cape with the blue pants is a mess

[royal orchid]

oh wow yeah that's uhh

[fast pagoda]

I really dont like the "candel is a holy knight" theory

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/newspaper-whats-the-good-news-reading-reading-paper-colin-firth-gif-17473462

[lofty fern]

Ah, I see, that's cool

[fast pagoda]

It is somewhat plausible but I dont think its very likely at all

[lofty fern]

He always wears jeans?

Jeans with black dots

[urban kiln]

then he should wear a different coat

the colors just clash

[stone terrace]

We love candor

[lofty fern]

Law has an extensive wardrobe

[fast pagoda]

But also I think its silly people are saying she has to be connected to the knights of god because of her clothing

[lofty fern]

Also, red and blue always go together

[fast pagoda]

Like thats just how a lot of european nobility dressed dude

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/murica-merica-america-usa-us-gif-4163007710547964960

[urban kiln]

not these shades

light blue and dark red

nono

[dense rapids]

“They say that man travels on black ship and swallows those who get near into whirlpools”

“The man marked by flames will appear this year”

[lofty fern]

Indeed, people don't realize there's a reason each Oda chooses certain styles of clothing, and no it's not because they are all connected. The uniforms of the military tells us what kind of culture the nation has

[lofty fern]

Sure it does, It's like superman, he's had like every shade of blue and red combined together ever

[fast pagoda]

I definitely think her design is inspired by Lady Oscar

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/i/status/2058619547398050055

OSIX /COOMS OPEN! (@iamosix2)

Candyl and brook , thumbnail commission
#ONEPIECE

X · May 24, 2026, 6:42 PM

[lofty fern]

Maybe, though it's really just that general pseudo-European military nobility look, it's pretty much it's own archetype

[royal orchid]

good art day on twitter

[dense rapids]

Manmeyer Opera House

[fast pagoda]

Broke: Candelle is a knight of god
Woke. Candelle has the wax wax fruit

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-yes-the-karate-kid-mr-miyagi-smile-gif-7431183

[hazy turret]

Thank god because the chapter after his appearance was rough

[fallen sky]

What are the chances that douzan is either the forest or earth god?

[royal orchid]

hmmm not zero

[rose rune]

the ai upscale chapters?

good times

[ashen perch]

I disagree, he still looked great but it feels like Oda's leaning into him being hot now

[lofty fern]

I'll be on the watch for my current theory that Brook during this flashback is wounded and blinded, which is why in his first flashback, he constantly wears sunglasses and uses a cane sword instead of his original sword.

👨‍🦯

[strong wadi]

lmao wth is this

[thick mango]

Magenta and cyan if oda isn't a coward

[lofty fern]

What's what?

[royal orchid]

dot on the wrong place

[ashen perch]

Shoulder?

[hazy turret]

Your taste is questionable

[urban lodge]

He has always looked great so far except in that side profile

[ashen perch]

You like Kidd, shh

[lofty fern]

A dot?

[rose rune]

now let's talk about someone who's actually hot

[hazy turret]

😔

[ashen perch]

I'm not seeing what you're seeing Adam

[hazy turret]

NOW we’re talking

[ashen perch]

Lowkey though

[lofty fern]

He's so hot, he's only in his underwear 🥵

[royal orchid]

man what the FUCK are those legs

[lofty fern]

Classic Oda legs

[ashen perch]

It's so weird that he by all means should look mean and ugly and evil but there's something about him that makes him look chill

[royal orchid]

they're thinner than usual

[lofty fern]

Remember elizabello lol

[rose rune]

look at this man sculpted by the gods

[royal orchid]

Blackbeard uncle

[strong wadi]

If you removed the hair, this what his shoulder looking like

[fast pagoda]

We first see him humbly trimming his hedges

[hazy turret]

He does look mean though
Ugly maybe not as much, he’s just incredibly unkempt

[royal orchid]

oh yeah that is a Jojo part 3 ass shoulder

[fast pagoda]

He looks scary but hes shown to be just a chill guy

[ashen perch]

He's just got broad shoulders

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah, I see it now. Classic error

[ashen perch]

He has a bit of a chill unc vibe to me, not necessarily mean

[ashen perch]

Good point

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-muscular-muscle-gif-20830149

[ashen perch]

He seems really humble for a king, which is neat

[royal orchid]

imu got the shoulder mount

[lofty fern]

https://x.com/Crain1Art/status/2058665083408883920?s=20

Crain Art (Commission Open) (@Crain1Art)

Loki Vs Imu

X · May 24, 2026, 9:42 PM

[torn onyx]

Damn until now I saw the scissors as two weird weapons that he was sharping against each other to execute Brook . Still seemed a chill guy to me.

[hazy turret]

This is what I’m seeing

It’s the angle

[scenic dirge]

He’s hot in the Tony Soprano way

[hazy turret]

It’s about angles and perspective ig

[scenic dirge]

ig

[royal orchid]

yeah that's true he's really wide

[blazing depot]

Imu is a 10 chad

JoyBoy was a sub 5 beta

[lofty fern]

Not sure about that, he wouldn't let Brook have Candelle. He knows who he is. He's the boss, waving his authority around, threatening to have Brook executed, Typical one piece king

[hasty sable]

nah

[hazy turret]

Idk he spiked his cortisol like crazy a few chapters ago

[lofty fern]

AI really went nuts

[ashen perch]

What the hell

[hasty sable]

Reuvelle and Brook have a more casual relationship

[stone terrace]

Brook is saying some insane stuff

[rose rune]

it's not ai : <

[strong wadi]

this is what i see lmao

[hazy turret]

The Imu we deserved

[stone terrace]

Most kings wouldnt tolerate that

[hasty sable]

He looks like a thug but he's clearly a decent man

appearances can be deceiving

[stone terrace]

Most people in general wouldnt be ok with that

[hazy turret]

Why would Oda make him dress that way

[stone terrace]

Imagine someone said im gonna bang your wife after you die

😭

[ashen perch]

It's banter, well I'm sure Brook does have those intentions though but they're clearly super close

[hazy turret]

Maybe the dude is just uhh spineless

[blazing depot]

Aura loss…

[royal orchid]

it's brook so he can say that

[rose rune]

oda made a self portrait

[royal orchid]

he's just cool like that

[hasty sable]

I think he's potentially someone that married into the royal family

[lofty fern]

Satisfies the Japanese dream. Even a slob can get a beautiful hot woman

[lofty fern]

Sounds like the other way around

[deep chasm]

A normal person wouldnt just let brook have their woman so makes sense

[wraith mantle]

how long yall think brook's fb will be

[quiet ice]

Oda famously showers once a week

[hazy turret]

It’s definitely not contained to Japan, see: any Adam Sandler movie

[blazing depot]

Who knows maybe the king got a big

Heart

[deep chasm]

6 chapters I guess

[lofty fern]

3-5 chapters

[hasty sable]

there's a whole genre of American sitcoms about it

[blazing depot]

Brook don’t got Facebook

[rose rune]

man, I'm still not getting over how terrible this looked.
I love it

[blazing depot]

CGI GERD

[ashen perch]

I think it's clear that Oda's going for the design subversion here, elegant knightly queen will be the evil monster and the evil monstrous man will be nice and cool

[wraith mantle]

eh rally? i cant think of one

[blazing depot]

Shhhh

[lofty fern]

Sure, but I'm thinking of Oda and his audience that he's usually considering

[wraith mantle]

thats what i am hoping for too

[quiet ice]

She’s evil???

[blazing mantle]

Is she 3d

[wraith mantle]

i want oda to take his sweet time with this story

[rose rune]

that, or they are just louis/peter or marge/homer

[deep chasm]

Im lowkey hoping for more like 4, but I just think oda always makes it longer than we think

[rose rune]

yeah

[hazy turret]

Oda famously makes the strongest shower once a week, could this mean Ruvelle is busted?

[lofty fern]

Family Guy, King of Queens, The Simpsons....

[blazing depot]

Candelle is innocent. She is a beautiful woman and the size of an average mother

Fight the real enemy BIBLO WE DONT KNOW HIS PLAN

[wraith mantle]

uh somehow i just didn't think of cartoon

[hasty sable]

The king of queens, everybody loves raymund

[deep chasm]

biblo has never done anything wrong btw

[wraith mantle]

big bang theory kinda counts ig

[crude bronze]

Pls speed I need this

[ashen perch]

Speculated to be atm, in the present Brook is still extremely pissed at the death of Leuven but didn't even reference Candel at all, which makes me think she left Brooks life in circumstances that definitely weren't good.

[crude bronze]

JOKELA

[lofty fern]

Eah, that's less "dumb slob" and more "nerd can get a hot girl"

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/intergalactic-al-bundy-intergalactic-quality-thumbs-up-al-bundy-intergalactic-gif-24902423

[rose rune]

Candella has one of the more normal waists in the series

[hazy turret]

This is literally Big Mom and Pound all over again 🙄

[crude bronze]

is this official server?

[hasty sable]

can they not both be good

[blazing depot]

Married with Kids was the first sitcom with a disgusting chud dad

[wraith mantle]

is oda finally cured of his mental disease?

[ashen perch]

True...

[lofty fern]

Both pound and BM looks like mutants

[crude bronze]

Did eichiiro oda make this server

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[fast pagoda]

We are all oda's satellites

[blazing depot]

Yes and he agrees with all my posts

[quiet ice]

Arsal hates women

[wet condor]

Oh wtf

[rose rune]

I'm gonna tell you a secret.
no matter how old you get, you'll never stop appreciating beauty

[wet condor]

I'm surprised Oda would go that deep into the family tree

[ashen perch]

I think the anime makes people forget that Oda's waists aren't really all that crazy

[hazy turret]

Arsal

They were the worst before the timeskip I think

[rose rune]

yeah

[crude bronze]

Will everyone reach their goals at the end of one piece? Will luffy find one piece zoro become greatest swordsman sanji finds all blue Nani draws map of the world and chopper cures all diseases?

[lofty fern]

Oda kind of did himself in

[wraith mantle]

usopp wont

he will die

[wet condor]

Depends what you mean by the end of one piece

[ashen perch]

They could be better but they're fairly proportional, East Blue to Skypiea is where they're at its worst for sure

[crude bronze]

So he completes it

[wet condor]

That will validate his dream

[ashen perch]

Oda's artstyle begins to mature from Water 7

[crude bronze]

By sacrificing himself?

[deep chasm]

idk how oda goes about making chopper cure every disease but otherwise probably

[ashen perch]

A joke

[wraith mantle]

no he will just get low diffed

[crude bronze]

by who

[blazing depot]

Soon we will learn the tragic reason she wears her panties out.

[ashen perch]

And yeah I agree, mainly pre Water 7 though

[crude bronze]

..

[crude bronze]

All for brook

[rose rune]

the difference is huge

[wraith mantle]

probably the same reason brook developed a panties gag

[ashen perch]

Oda's been reasonable about it wince then

[deep chasm]

[wet condor]

We were just talking about earlier today of Chopper being the reincarnation forest god who can heal any illness by putting his hand over them lol

[blazing depot]

PREPARE TO CRY

[lofty fern]

That's basically how most women were drawn back then. Huge butts huge boobs, no waist

[deep chasm]

oh

[crude bronze]

Who will kill usopp?

[blazing depot]

I love plus sized women

[deep chasm]

I guess that could be what oda is planning to do

cuz otherwise my boy is not curing smiles

[ashen perch]

Like an inch

[fast pagoda]

Candelle is a top tier btw

[hasty sable]

Candelle should uh not be evil

[rose rune]

👴

[blazing depot]

You didn’t know?

[wet condor]

For whatever reason, I find that more believable than him acquiring all the requisite medical knowledge needed to cure anything

[ashen perch]

Not true

[crude bronze]

@wraith mantle

[ashen perch]

Not Oda

[wet condor]

Wasn't that in an SBS

[ashen perch]

No, its fanart

[deep chasm]

I kinda agree. I mean I could buy him just being known as the doctor that could cure anything. So theoretically if he tries he can cure anything, but not necessarily that he has already cured everything by the end of the story

[ashen perch]

SBS banners are all fanart lol

[hasty sable]

it's cheating if his devil fruit awakening lets him do it btw

[rose rune]

do we allow this btw? I mean considering our volleyball gif ban?

[fast pagoda]

Yall didnt see that

[ashen perch]

Well you're right actually

[blazing depot]

They’re coming for our rights.

[tranquil blade]

Is it cheating

[deep chasm]

I do agree but I wouldnbt be shocked if oda did it

[tranquil blade]

I mean idk what else it could be tbh it's not something Chopper knew he could do so clearly it isnt some doctor thing

I feel like it has to be something up with Chopper himself

[quiet ice]

Volleyball gif ba?

[wet condor]

Yeah, I mean their both on this equal level of being believable. Like Dolf was saying, they both seem so fantastical that there's not that much of a reason put one over the other

lol

[crude bronze]

Who will assist luffy in defeating imu other than Loki

[ashen perch]

I mean the myth of the all cure medicine that Chopper heard about is that it resembles a mushroom

[tranquil blade]

It's a gif of Nami and Robin playing volleyball

[quiet ice]

Lmao

[ashen perch]

Guess what Chopper's devil fruit resembles!

[tranquil blade]

It mightve been from like a movie or smth

[quiet ice]

Classic

[lofty fern]

Her waist is not even as wide as her head

[wet condor]

Does it really?

[quiet ice]

Penis

[wet condor]

Sure enough

It does

[ashen perch]

Yes, its a mushroom

[deep chasm]

well between the two Id much prefer him just go the really good doctor route. It just makes it more about chopper's knowledge and skill than benefitting from the fruit he ate.

But with him curing the domi reversid giants it may be going there so oh well

[blazing depot]

Wow you all have dirty minds…

[wet condor]

Me too lol

[quiet ice]

This forest god stuff is so silly I can’t help but laugh

Would Oda just make the whole crew god reincarnations

[deep chasm]

this arc? prolly just loki, maybe if a third party arrives. In final war Im sure it'll be plenty of people but at least probably will involve dragon

[lofty fern]

By the way, considering Chopper's warning, any parents dying here?

[hasty sable]

doubt it

[ashen perch]

This really isn't wild at all, it's just fine lol

[wet condor]

I mean the only one that's actually relevant is Ripley

[deep chasm]

is oda brave enough to kill parents here

[wet condor]

Which I don't think she's going

[quiet ice]

Nami is zaza and will use Zeus to rain on the celestial dragons

[ashen perch]

Collun's sad backstory playing out in real time...

[wet condor]

And Gaban

[ashen perch]

I can see it, but maybe not

[crude bronze]

Who will be all the people

[wet condor]

But he's sticking around until he meets up with Rayleigh. I'm positive

[deep chasm]

gaban will be ight

[lofty fern]

I think everything is fine to you, Arsal. Woman can't breathe...but no, it's fine 😭

[ashen perch]

Ripley's definitely at risk far more than Gaban is

[hasty sable]

Usopp will assist

[blazing depot]

Chopper is related to the hellfire serpent

[hasty sable]

no more dead moms

[wet condor]

Oda can kill off some giant fodder parents but none of us care that much lol

[lofty fern]

I thought Ripley...a mom of an important character that's yet to die

[ashen perch]

Sanji's waist is thinner than this man, she'll be good. Its just the artstyle

[deep chasm]

Im not really sure. Like if we get some big thing where Imu takes away his subordinates contracts and regains power, it could be "everyone vs imu" shit where its like zoro, sanji, all the strawhats, sabo, dragon, blackbeard, and whoever else is around.

If not though Im expecting dragon and BB to be involved at least though

[wet condor]

She's been talking about dying

[blazing depot]

Lowkey can the holy knights kidnap the kids im kind of sick of them

[tranquil blade]

lol

[crude bronze]

Shanks?

[deep chasm]

the unfortunate truth is jarul is probably most likely to go but thats kinda mid

[ashen perch]

It sucks that they have no other plan

[deep chasm]

sure shanks could be there. Though I think shanks could just be dead by then

[hazy turret]

I don’t know if this is a hot take but I don’t really care about the small waist proportion thing Oda does, there are a lot of exaggerations in anatomy in op. Like “where do her organs fit” isn’t as much of a problem to me as the lack of diversity in body types that the male characters are afforded. Even if Oda only wants to draw pretty girls only, I think it would be cool to get different bodies to enhance designs. Like Yamato could’ve been muscular, Robin could’ve remained model-esque, etc

[lofty fern]

Sanji's a man, he's straight up and down. Doesn't qualify. But of course Oda can do no wrong, we know

[crude bronze]

Who will wear the eye patch oda mentioned

[deep chasm]

uhhh

idk

[crude bronze]

I haven’t watched one piece at all

[urban lodge]

Joyboy probably

[crude bronze]

lol

but I have a feeling that joyboy like literally joyboy himself will return

And wear an eye patch

[deep chasm]

bro stole penny's idea

[lofty fern]

Have you at least read the manga?

[rose rune]

it shouldn't be a hot take.
I've always liked Oda's art style

[hasty sable]

eyepatch is Hinokizu

[crude bronze]

no I swear I thought of it yesterday

[crude bronze]

No

Too long

[lofty fern]

Ah, a wiki reader

[dense rapids]

Candel has Cerberus and shamrock will end up with it

[blazing depot]

Oda’s artstyle means everyone is stylized so I never got the complaints. I don’t think people get up in arms about how Moria and Kuma aren’t anatomically right

[deep chasm]

dont waste your time with one piece go watch Hunter x Hunter

[crude bronze]

No

[deep chasm]

loser

[deep chasm]

did they read it

[hazy turret]

It always goes back to doing too much of the same thing. When almost all of them have the same proportions, it gets boring

[crude bronze]

😢

[blazing depot]

It will influence policy…

[warm sierra]

you could catch up on one piece before the next flashback ends

[lofty fern]

I think Oda's artstyle was actually the number 1 thing that kept me away from One Piece for a long time. I just couldn't stand the designs.

[wet condor]

Oh yeah, I can see him going. I actually a little excited for his. I like when the old dudes show that they've still got it

He saves his great granddaughter

Ylva I think is her name

[crude bronze]

guys what do u think the one piece is ?

[lofty fern]

Where IS Jarul? Haven't seen him for a while

[wet condor]

Or his great great granddaughter

I forget what his relation is to her

[rose rune]

yeah, he did knock himself out on amazon lily tho

[deep chasm]

I think best case scenario is dorry or brogy getting killed, but I am not confident oda will do that

[lofty fern]

I think it's 3 greats if I remember right

[hazy turret]

He did, it is an S tier arc after all

[ashen perch]

I agree, I am not sure why anyone expects realistic anatomy out of the series when it's all stylized and exaggerated.

Also even the lack of diversity is a bit of a dated take, I think post ts Oda's been a lot better on it.

WCI far more than Amazon Lily actually

[hazy turret]

I don’t think he is at all

[rose rune]

oh yeah. wci had some fun shapes

[hazy turret]

Don’t bring up amande as an example

[ashen perch]

Yeah, the Charlotte family has some of my favorite designs

[rose rune]

honestly my first thought was flampe

[lofty fern]

Imu so tiny, and the idea of an actual squirrel hammer is hilarious
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[ashen perch]

I mean Chiffon, Amande, Flampe, Compote, there's names I'm forgetting right now but there's a lot of members

[crude bronze]

Who wins luffy or zoro king of hell

[urban lodge]

Ragnir

[rose rune]

those convos are more suited for #manga

[crude bronze]

This is also manga

:))

[hazy turret]

Flampe is a child, and amande still fits the same mold

[deep chasm]

he lowkey got you

[hasty sable]

Wano Zoro > Dressrosa Luffy mid-diff

[gloomy tree]

and the answer is Luffy 100 out of 100 times

[dark nymph]

oh yeah who are we seeing in Brook's flashback that we know now

[rose rune]

yeah, we just rarely entertain that stuff here

[deep chasm]

brook imo

[dark nymph]

crazy

absolute NONSENSE

[crude bronze]

Is joyboy a buccaneer

[urban lodge]

Maybe young Roger

[blazing depot]

Candelle is related to the hellfire serpent

[deep chasm]

chatgpt questions

[ashen perch]

I guess she's got the hourglass but the long neck makes her unique

[hazy turret]

The vast vast majority have the same proportions, I don’t think Oda is better. It’s the same thing pre ts, there are exceptions but they’re all pretty much the same

[crude bronze]

Yes or no it’s not hard to say one

[trim lily]

maybe

we dunno

[deep chasm]

yea bro I think so

[hasty sable]

most of those are also minor characters tbf