also-manga

[thick mango]

Imus actions will be reasonable. His evil will be a degradation over 800 years

[keen falcon]

The imu of today I don't think was the same imu of ~900 years ago

[rain cedar]

Imu is gonna be a piece of shit lmao. He is just mad because Joyboy rejected his world view

Which was 100% justified as well

[thick mango]

Nah that doesn't explain a 20 nation coalition that includes alabasta

[sick dust]

I don’t think Joyboy was completely good either

[rain cedar]

Nox im not talking about the entire story between the two

[sick dust]

Not evil per say but neutral perhaps

[keen falcon]

I suspect he'll just be light gray at worst though

[sick dust]

Or a man who’s good intentions led to disaster

[rain cedar]

But I think imu in particular had megalomania

[thick mango]

How could you possibly avoid getting messed up over 800 years of ruling the world. It's inevitable. Humans aren't meant to live that long. You'd go mad

[rain cedar]

There's a reason why lili betrayed him before those 800 years

[sick dust]

Well Imu isn’t exactly human now

[thick mango]

You'd go mad even living an average life let alone king of the world

[thick mango]

He was human his mind is human

[rain cedar]

Lili probably knew his intentions

[keen falcon]

I suspect something got him a little mad and he dug into it further and further and was in too deep to ever turn back

[civic dust]

Considering he says “right joyboy!!” After that flashback means joyboy agreed with him. We also know joyboy wanted to become king himself

[thick mango]

Do we? How?

[civic dust]

Emeth said so

[thick mango]

Can you remind me panel/ch/quote

[dense haven]

jobyob stole his woman

[rain cedar]

I thought he was asking a question

wasn't it something like "Isn't that right Joyboy?"

[thick mango]

Yeah but I did read that as like calling to a point of agreement

Like I'm just doing what we agreed was required/good

[civic dust]

joyboy and imu are clearly in agreement in that panel.

[rain cedar]

My interpretation was that Imu asked this question and Joyboy rejected it. That's why he starts shouting

If they both agreed, why would he lose his shit

[civic dust]

Because joyboy didn’t agree with who deserved to be king

[balmy field]

this chat is more active than manga ffs

[thick mango]

Cause he's putting down joyboys will that defies that agreement probably for the Nth time

[rain cedar]

I think it's because Joyboy rejected that view because he prefers freedom over domination

[balmy field]

what are we discussing i wanna join

[thick mango]

Like we agreed this was necessary dude why is your will constantly trying to tear it down

[rain cedar]

im really confused because i didn't read it like that at all lmao

[thick mango]

I don't think it's decisive either way it's pretty hard to make any definite conclusions from just this little bit

[rain cedar]

My interpretation was that they both disagreed right at that point

And thats why Imu loses his temper when he thinks back on it

[rose rune]

I interpreted that scene as joyboy maybe having said something that Imu misinterpreted

[thick mango]

It seems weird to show a panel of them laughing in this context if it was a contentious disagreement

[rain cedar]

Yeah, you could interpret it in a lot of ways

[balmy field]

ig that IMU tried to change joyboy ideology but joyboy rejected it and imu raged here when he remembers that

[rose rune]

it feels to me like joyboy said something that stuck with Imu, but maybe when Imu acted out on the misunderstanding, it caused a split.
but who knows

I could be wrong

[rain cedar]

It's really hard to come to a conclusion from a single panel

[rose rune]

yeah

[balmy field]

it was smth about DOMINATING THE WHOLE WORLD like the WG system but joyboy rejected the idea

[balmy field]

agree

[rain cedar]

But so far, we have two contrasting themes between Joyboy and Imu: freedom vs dominion. So i can't see them coming to an agreement in any way. Like they could've been friends but it's probably that worldview which put them against each other

[rose rune]

or he was talking about dominating the lands/seas in the sense of "being the most free there is" kinda luffy's pirate king thingy, but he interpreted it as actual domination

[civic dust]

How I interpret it is that Davy jones ruled the world via anarchy (would be why imu doesn’t consider him a real king) which is why both imu and joyboy originally agreed that domination was needed to set the world into the right direction. Joyboy and imu eventually disagree on what type of domination is required which is why they break apart and Joyboy tries to become king himself

[balmy field]

i have seen this type of friend ship in literall every shonen,seinen manga

[rain cedar]

It's a classic trope

[rain cedar]

Even with that statement, I think Imu said that out of spite against Davy when he said he wasn't a real king

Instead of him literally not being a king

[rose rune]

at least I feel like they've talked past each other at some point

[civic dust]

Also possible. But considering both Bb and rocks pretty much rule via anarchy I think it’s most likely the same for Davy jones

[thick mango]

This I can see

[rain cedar]

Though tbf, Rocks never achieved his end goal of being a king

BB i can see with fullalead

[civic dust]

Ya but we know what he would do considering we see how they both rule pirate island with it pretty much being a land of no rules

[rain cedar]

Yeah, I never really thought of it that way. I was always more of the opinion that Davy was the king of the ancient kingdom or so

[civic dust]

Both can be possible. We don’t know much about the ancient kingdom

[rain cedar]

but then Joyboy has no reason to go against Davy since Joyboy was a member of the same kingdom?

[civic dust]

Joyboy left the kingdom to become the first pirate lol. He is definitely against the ancient kingdom

[rain cedar]

My interpretation so far was that Davy and Joyboy were on the same side. Joyboy and Imu were friends but then went different ways which led to the war

[rain cedar]

See but Vegapunk never makes that connection. He says two facts: Joyboy was a member of the ancient kingdom AND he was a pirate as well. They don't have to be mutually exclusive

[thick mango]

I think Davy was bad like bb is

[rain cedar]

*The first pirate

[civic dust]

He says joyboy was born in the ancient kingdom

Not that joyboy was apart of it

[thick mango]

I would wager Davy was definitely worse than imu of 800 years ago

[civic dust]

Pirate island on steroids with Davy jones ruling via strength with pluton and maybe Uranus

[rain cedar]

Joyboys faction here is the ancient kingdom

And we see him fighting against the 20 kings as well

[fiery spire]

!animo

[tropic nova]

Next episode comes out on <t:1779033600:F> <t:1779033600:R> (time zone adjusted)

[prisma yacht]

animio

[prisma yacht]

Davy jones vs 20 kingdoms

[civic dust]

As VP he doesn’t know much other than joyboy was born there. Also possible joyboy liberated the slaves of the ancient kingdom making some of it into his own faction.

I don’t see how joyboy gets born into a kingdom and leaves it to become a pirate just to still be working for that kingdom lol

[prisma yacht]

He says 2 ideologies came head to head

[rain cedar]

VP said that that whatever he's saying, it's only the facts from the poneglyphs. But the last part can be true

[rain cedar]

He also went out of his way to save their weapons sooo

[civic dust]

Well he knew imu got a hold of one. So he knew they probably would be needed for the future

[rain cedar]

Everything Vegapunk said in the speech points more towards Joyboy being a part of them tbh. He says that Joyboy is the hero of the void century, makes a point that the war was between ancient kingdom and the 20 kings. Then ends it with the defeat of Joyboy and his faction i.e Ancient kingdom

[civic dust]

Ima stick with joyboy liberated the slaves and made it apart of his faction. Also possible that Davy jones was dethroned. He was eventually turned into a pirate tho guess we just gotta wait and see

[rain cedar]

Yeah, Strangely enough, Vegapunk never mentions Davy in his speech so it's open to interpretation

[balmy field]

he might be knowing some lore about him and spoke about in his death podcast but unfortunatley we will never get to know about it

[civic dust]

Oda was probably just saving his lore for the next arc when rocks got revealed

[civic dust]

Ya. There was several cut off points lol

The cut off at the D clan could have been “one of you are the Davy clan”

[balmy field]

lmao the random npcs in the op world know more lore than us.

[native cloud]

Why??

[native cloud]

This is interesting…

[thick mango]

Cause he's the will of blackbeard who is unambiguously bad. And I don't think joyboy was bad. And imu being able to rally 20 kingdoms to his side including alabasta means his Cause must have had some merit

[native cloud]

I’d like to think he tricked them

Cause if you put it like that it sounds like Joyboy was a twat

[thick mango]

Davy can be the bad guy

[native cloud]

That answer was for the Imu and Joyboy part you mentioned

[thick mango]

I don't like imu being always evil and just tricking people cause I feel like it's a waste of the impact of 800 years

[native cloud]

I’m still a little iffy on the Davy Jones part forgive me

[thick mango]

If imu basically was always like this it means they didn't really change over 800 years which seems like a waste of an interesting thread how would a person change over 800 years

[native cloud]

@thick mango I think this is the only possible way for that fallout between em

[thick mango]

Yeah i can see that being a possibility

But I think we have so little there still are a lot of possibilities as to how the very large gaps are filled in

[native cloud]

You think Imu can brainwash people?

[jaunty grail]

Yes, he did that with gunko

[thick mango]

And harald

But I do think it's more interesting if imus cause at the time had merit

Maybe it had so much merit he reluctantly took on these demonic powers to achieve the end

[native cloud]

If that’s the case then he did that to the first 20 kings. Cause ain’t no way 20 people who were aligned to one ideology can turn against one. That’s just nuts to me

[thick mango]

I don't like that very much

It's throws away any possibility for complexity

Imu was evil and always evil and used evil powers to brainwash his allies into being evil with him. It's so simple and uninteresting

[native cloud]

Look at the celestial now, a bunch of old fat fucks who think of nobody but themselves

[thick mango]

Yeah after 800 years though

The change over 800 years is where a lot of interesting potential comes in

[native cloud]

Yeah…

[thick mango]

Always being this way is uninteresting to me

[jaunty grail]

Fr and VP said that the world government has had a history of power struggles

I wonder what that meant

[native cloud]

With the mention of Vegapunk, how is it possible that he doesn’t know who Imu is?

That threw me off a little

[rain cedar]

Probably because the Poneglyphs make no mention of Imu ascending the throne

Since that happened after they had already lost

[native cloud]

Bruh I’m guessing Akainu knows about Imu but VP doesn’t?! Nhaa something ain’t right

[rain cedar]

The keyword: guessing

[maiden saffron]

i think the story is heading towards Imu and Joyboy having some sort of alliance initally before falling out

due to differing ideologies

and that kickstarted the 100 year war

i feel like the likelihood of imu having maintained the status-quo for 800 years is pretty high, but it doesn't necessarily mean its a simple "big evil man" story either

cause im expecting good answers as to why the world came to be this way

[dense haven]

akainu is just HIM

[crude nebula]

This yall final villain group?

[alpine trench]

you have a sakazuki pfp why are you slandering the gorosei

[celest mauve]

the marines are such a sorry bunch outside of the admirals 😭

[keen falcon]

!speedreader Sakazuki literally does that in the series

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[rain cedar]

I wished the vice admirals were a bit stronger

[keen falcon]

I agree, there's Garp and then fodder

[somber flare]

Yeah bro it’s just Garp AND Smoker carrying

[rain cedar]

These absolute bums 😭😭

[keen falcon]

Even then I don't know if Smoker really did anything other than get dunked on at punk hazard

[rain cedar]

Even their designs are mostly meh

Outside of doll and Hound ig

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/aywakutakuay/status/2055729106470178835/photo/1

waker VGEN COMMISSIONS (@aywakutakuay)

OMEN

X · May 16, 2026, 7:16 PM

[keen falcon]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Tensei I like him

[muted hedge]

Tekking with porygon

[rose rune]

Truly a 3 dimentional character

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

Thank u tekking

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zesty-cat-niklas--k01KRTHV1ABSN3FC36YPXMDSTFD

[stray prism]

Wordle 1,793 5/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛🟨⬛
🟩🟨🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟨🟩⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[prisma idol]

Yes

[crude nebula]

Morley opps

[ashen perch]

didnt matter + Dorry and Brogy are legendary pirates, didnt matter + Dorry and Brogy are legendary pirates, Sanji instantly lost in the very next panel

Posting that Ju Peter panel is like posting that time Kizaru got cut in half by Apoo and thinking that it somehow reflects poorly on him

the Warcury feat was impressive from Dorry and Brogy though, no doubt

Luffy couldnt even make him budge

[crude nebula]

Cause they can rip through his heart if they knew

Dragon fina tell the revs and they’re getting killed off one by one

[hasty sable]

Ju Peter such a diva

[ashen perch]

we've only seen Sommers have that heart and youre already killing off the Gorosei based on it

[ashen perch]

tbf he got told off, he tried to slander them and they slandered him way worse

''your honor is a trifling matter''

[hasty sable]

Tbh they really can’t say anything to him here lol

He’s absolutely right that they let Doffy play them like a fiddle

[warm sierra]

the steel heart thing seemed sommers specific to me until Zoro made the omen comment, now Im not too sure anymore

[crude nebula]

Cause they obviously would

Have it

[hasty sable]

I don’t think it’s Sommers specific

[crude nebula]

Oda had to give the revs a way to kill immortals

[ashen perch]

Well its not something they can talk to him about so all they can really do is tell him off and start whatabout-ing about Kuzan

It could be HK specific at the very least

[hasty sable]

Holy Knight maybe. They have a weaker contract than Gorosei

[ashen perch]

yeah

and Gunko too, would explain how she was able to survive getting her entire upper half blasted into nothing

[warm sierra]

Pop Greens cant melt steel hearts

[ashen perch]

there was nothing left lol, no heart or anything

[hasty sable]

Maybe it moves

[ashen perch]

the only way it could work is if she transferred it into her legs somehow

which eh, I guess it could work lol

[tidal ice]

idk how people read egghead and see the gorosei as "frauds" or whatever
they had the SH crew literally running the whole arc 😭

[ashen perch]

Yeah no the SHs were screaming and shaking at nearly every moment they saw a Gorosei and you have people thinking it meant nothing because they didnt kill anyone (they forgot its One Piece)

and these were Gorosei that werent even trying to go after them, they were hyperfocused on the snail that was streaming VP's message

this is when they do actually go after them together and well yea... they couldnt lol

[rose rune]

People often forget

Or ignore... yeah, that's more accurate

[ashen perch]

like this was quite clear from Oda

Nusjuro literally has Sanji, Oimo, Kashi, Bonney, Franky and more all as targets in front of him and he leaves the area and goes onto split the Labophase in 2 instead because everything else was secondary

that moment where the crew defends Robin against Saturn doesnt actually end in them overwhelming Saturn, it ends in him leaving the location on purpose

but yknow, people do ignore yeah

[rose rune]

It was more of a situation with him stomping through while they happened to be in the way

[ashen perch]

yeah, he just tramples over them with his legs and goes to where he was going

[rose rune]

"Reading the manga explains the manga"

To be fair tho, I am guilty of forgetting things here and there.

[ashen perch]

oh yeah I forget older arcs all the time

[rose rune]

Also, while these scenes are pretty clear cut, some are more open to interpretation

[ashen perch]

but Egghead's a bit too recent to be forgetting

[rose rune]

For sure

Unless you're 37+ years old

Oh no...

[ashen perch]

oh yeah thats when the late-onset dementia starts kicking in right ?

[fiery spire]

That's when you start thinking that Usopp is gonna do well this year

[rose rune]

Actually it's early if it starts developing before you're 60. I worked at a home like that for a while

Tragic stuff

[wanton sundial]

it's still usopp's arc!

[ashen perch]

oh no I know it kicks in at 60+ lol, I was kidding

[ashen perch]

this is symbolic, it doesnt have to be exactly this year

when Oda said that it was the Year of Sanji during WCI, it didnt actually last only one year

this is a reference to that statement

[wanton sundial]

i can't wait for usopp to meet yasopp

[fiery spire]

Same tbh

I want to see a confrontation

[wanton sundial]

yasopp is a horrible father but i wonder if usopp has learnt enough to realise that

[fiery spire]

Some made-up story, "She was terminally ill and the only way to save her was to go on goon island and find the cure-all but I was too late"

[fiery spire]

No dementia yet then

[wanton sundial]

then usopp is like shut up, liars can recognise lies blahblah

[fiery spire]

I do want a permanent Usopp upgrade though

That would be rad

[fiery spire]

And then his mother (his wife) ascends down heaven in their memories while they are fighting and tells them both to stop

[wanton sundial]

would it be possible for shanks to show up in this arc because elbaf is his territory?

[fiery spire]

I sure hope so

So much happening and Shanks not returning to his territory? Bad Yonko

[frail kindle]

I don't think its ever stated that its his territory, he was just there because dorry and brogy were there

[wanton sundial]

you're putting him down like a misbehaving cat

[ashen perch]

yeah Elbaf is nobody's territory lol

[wanton sundial]

oh, honestly i just assumed

[ashen perch]

Shanks just has friends here

[fiery spire]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[fiery spire]

I thought this was his land

But that makes more sense

[wanton sundial]

well still, shanks is implied to have the most connection to elbaf of all the yonko by far

[fiery spire]

Since Elbaf can't be anyone's 'land'

It has a king (loki prolly)

And a very strong one at that

[ashen perch]

yeah, its just the giants' land, that the WG is trying to make their own territory right now

[wanton sundial]

so it stands to some sort of reason that shanks would still come if he knew what was going on

[frail kindle]

luffy has the most connection

[fiery spire]

I hope shanks does come back, though

[wanton sundial]

oh fuck luffy is a yonko

[fiery spire]

That would be epic

[wanton sundial]

[fiery spire]

I wanna see how strong his team is against Imu and his servants

[fiery spire]

Sometimes we forget our brain-damaged MC is actually a title holder

[wanton sundial]

yeah, it's very crazy

especially since i've mainly just been rewatching the pre-timeskip arcs recently

[fiery spire]

Will you watch the remake?

[wanton sundial]

hmm

yeah probably

[fiery spire]

Let me know if there's anything new except the graphics and I'll watch too

[wanton sundial]

okay!

[fiery spire]

If it's a remake, there shouldn't be anything new, but what if

[wanton sundial]

i'll judge it compared to the original anime

[fiery spire]

Amen that's exactly what I need

[wanton sundial]

well you'd probably hear all about it once it does release, here in the server

no matter if you hear it from me or such

[ashen perch]

we know its going to be paced significantly faster than the original outside of the brand new animation, so thats the other big thing about it

[wanton sundial]

or such or and such?

[wanton sundial]

i forgot the specific details, was it like 12 episodes per arc?

[crude nebula]

Lowkey the best foreshadowing Oda ever made

[fiery spire]

The pacing in the pre-timeskip was fine for me

[ashen perch]

Theres no set pace, but we know the first 50 chapters are being adapted in 7 episodes of 42+ minutes (14 episodes of a regular 24 minute anime)

[fiery spire]

That sounds fun

[wanton sundial]

i see a bunch of math and it scares me

[fiery spire]

No now I will only hear it from you 🫵 /j

[ashen perch]

The same amount of chapters were adapted in about 25 episodes by Toei

so its a pretty big difference

[wanton sundial]

pacing has significantly improved, wow

will the remake replace one piece if it catches up?

[fiery spire]

Who could've thunked One Piece would turn out to be this good

[ashen perch]

Toei will continue with its own adaptation till the end, we dont know how long this remake will go

its a long term project, we dont know how long really

maybe they end up stopping at Wano, but I really hope not. The anime still has signfiicant pacing issues during and after Wano.

[wanton sundial]

i sometimes wonder why they didn't make one piece seasonal and stuff in order to adapt better into the anime this entire time, until i remember how unbelievably popular it is in japan

like yes, taking a break would lead to a better product, but also we have to milk this cash cow constantly and consistently

[dense haven]

yall excited for chapter?

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound-gif-5498863985254423453

[final trench]

You think kuzan fighting the mystery man?

[crude nebula]

Shamrock

[final trench]

The handle is different so i dont think its shamrock fr

But it would be interesting

I think kuzan is fighting koby and or [REDACTED]

[gleaming notch]

what chapter

aren't we on break week

[golden jacinth]

!chop

[tropic nova]

Next chapter comes out on <t:1779634800:F> <t:1779634800:R> (time zone adjusted)

[prisma idol]

We are

That is just spice's bit

[final trench]

We on a 2nd one?? Shonnn

I thought we were free now

[prisma idol]

It was magazine break chapter oda break

[final trench]

Damn🫩

[prisma idol]

No matter what every 3 chapters there is an oda break

[final trench]

So another break week eh?

Fine..

Sanji will be the strongest non df user eos 🥹💔💔💔

[golden jacinth]

Koby*

[final trench]

Franky**

Ive succumbed to the madness

[rain cedar]

Rereading one piece and this line fits oddly with Imu as well

[balmy field]

agreed

[balmy field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1504874006728282182/spongebob-spongebob-sad-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[spice python]

Koby is gonna die to make Luffy powerup vs bb or something

[balmy field]

fuck koby

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-patrick-star-54--k01KRTSVRG19HWR1H57Q1B9XCAR

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/klusedig-creepycat-creppycat-creepy-cat-gif-18705051

[lilac anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

[final trench]

Soulja boy up innit OH 🗣️
watch me crank it watch me ROLL

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/low-quality-cat-flashing-cat-gif-9645773577141585528

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-funny-23--k01KRTV0TBSQA2N8PP4W0PTX20B

[scenic dirge]

I don’t think this cat can speak or write in Mandarin

Not a believable gif imo

[alpine trench]

Cats are programmed to speak Chinese

[rose rune]

At least try when you lie spice

[alpine trench]

You just don’t know

[rose rune]

Hmm... ni hao does sound similar to miiaow

[grand flower]

I have risen

[noble carbon]

Holy shit it's Black Thragg

[grand flower]

Thragga

[graceful steeple]

Shanks?

[balmy field]

EOS

[final trench]

Bro thinks shanks is living that long

[graceful steeple]

Sorry, I didn't read correctly :(

[balmy field]

np dude

[graceful steeple]

Dude I'm in Marineford i see Shanks as a god for now

[final trench]

….

I wont entertain that

[balmy field]

wrong decision coming here

[graceful steeple]

K

[dense haven]

shanks is HIM

[hasty sable]

Shanks or Zoro

[sleek saddle]

"I've come here... to stand there and do nothing!"

[hasty sable]

If Shanks is alive it’s still Shanks and will always be Shanks

If Shanks dies then Zoro defeats Mihawk and is the strongest non-DF user

[native cloud]

Shanks beat Kaido, right?

[hasty sable]

No

They just stalemated and Kaido turned back

[native cloud]

I know we don’t know the technicalities of that fight but to have someone like Kaido back down from a fight you must really have big ball

Archer post that panel please where it says shanks clashed with him on his way to Marineford

[final trench]

Also wasnt it a 2v10

[rain cedar]

Watch Oda reveal that Shanks probably said some stuff like “Joyboy will come to wano" which made kaido fuck off

[final trench]

I dont think he had all the Beast pirates yet

[final trench]

Thats why he told luffy “you’re not him either”

Kaido wanted ace

[coral vapor]

rereading Dressrosa ts always been fire

[final trench]

King
Queen
Jack
Works on smile fruits with the Joker

Kaido story aint done yet (kinda) and however he found out about joyboy, i think he also got wind of the theory that rogers son was supposed to be joyboy

[native cloud]

Also I still struggle with people believing that Luffy was referring to Kizaru when he was actually talking about Saturn here.

My argument is he knows Kizaru and has boxed with him before why would he say that?

[final trench]

🤷🏾‍♂️ agenda transcends all

[native cloud]

Yall forget this kid has insane OBS Haki

[final trench]

But niggas still use frankys statements so it still aint no better

[native cloud]

Hmmm 🤔

[tough igloo]

it was kizaru cause he reacted differently to saturn when he pulled up

he also felt greenbull in wano

[native cloud]

[tough igloo]

oda is consistent doing that with admirals

[native cloud]

No

[tough igloo]

feel like it’s just agenda mfs who try to say it’s saturn cause if the dumb yonko and admiral arguments

he reacted to both of them at different times .. it ain’t that deep lol

[thin quest]

Luffy was definitely referring to Kizaru

[tough igloo]

exactly like it’s obvious as hell lol

[final trench]

The battle of monkies

I wonder if kizaru will ally with luffy

[thin quest]

I think he will

[tough igloo]

yeah the nika dance flashback convinced me

[native cloud]

Why is that?

[tough igloo]

his turning point started with VP death

i think greenbull and akainu will
be the only ones who don’t switch sides and help pirates

[final trench]

Both have monkey relation + his move Amaterasu (sun goddess)

[thin quest]

Kizaru's motto is unclear justice

[native cloud]

Greenbull will die a really painful death I’m sorry to burst your bubble

[thin quest]

good I hope he does

[native cloud]

Akainu too

[tough igloo]

i think Kuzan will too sadly .. he playing with fire

[thin quest]

GB's a punk bitch

[tough igloo]

i think he’ll have the saddest one out of the admirals

[native cloud]

I also see him dying

[thin quest]

Kuzan gonna die protecting Robin

[tough igloo]

yep i can for sure see it being a sacrifice play for him that leads to his death

his way of repaying back what happened at o’hara

[final trench]

I was thinking akainu would kill kizaru but that aint happen

[native cloud]

Haha

[rain cedar]

He already spared the SHs once at long ring island

[final trench]

I was thinking kizaru went AWOL and attack the holy lands and akainu was deployed to stop him

[rain cedar]

He has been merciful mostly

[final trench]

But it seems shamrock dealt with whatever happened

[tough igloo]

that was cause he went there on his own with no orders and just wanted to meet his mentor Garp grandson and see Robin …

now he’s with a crew where he’ll be forced to make a decision if/when he encounters the SHs again

[rain cedar]

I don't believe for a second Kuzan cares about BBs pirate business honestly

[tough igloo]

they made this clear that they all have their own goals

[final trench]

And thats why he dyin

[rain cedar]

He has his own ulterior motive and I don't think he has sworn his life to him

Yeah, Kuzan actually has no real obligation to BB

[tough igloo]

BBPs never trusted him

they even talk about it in dressrosa

[native cloud]

Hey guys, someone on here believes Luffy would’ve lost too if he was in Laws position

[final trench]

He would

[native cloud]

Come on man

Not you too

[tough igloo]

i think if teach had at least kuzan with him then yeah luffy would’ve lost but not with the 3 members that Teach had with him

they wouldve eventually just jumped Teach

cause burgess doc q and augur would’ve got cooked and been outnumbered

then it’s just everybody vs teach

[thin quest]

Sanji would've one tapped Burgess

[native cloud]

Law too, I still don’t understand how he lost that fight

He disappointed me with that

[tough igloo]

sadly Law knew that his best chance was to keep the distance which is why he got his main attacks off while Teach was in the sky , he knew once Teach step foot on the island it was over cause then the yami yami coming into play

[native cloud]

Does he know BB has two DFs?

[thin quest]

yes

[tough igloo]

yeah , the whole world does due to marineford being live streamed when it happened

[native cloud]

How?

[final trench]

Ofc me too

[tough igloo]

marineford was live-streamed

specifically that part

[final trench]

Luffy the only nigga with future sigh van augur is tagging majority of the crew

Xcept for zoro and sanji

[tough igloo]

they showed citizens reactions around the world of Teach having 2 DFs

[native cloud]

[final trench]

Everyone knows

It was broadcasted

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-anime-black-hands-gif-6048848

[native cloud]

Luffy has fought against alliances and yall think he would’ve lost to this guy baffles me

[final trench]

Yes

[native cloud]

Bruh Luffy survived the Gorosei

[tough igloo]

if it was 1v1 with no other straw hats involved then yeah sadly luffy would’ve lost due to G5 time limit

[final trench]

Because of joyboy yes

[tough igloo]

even vs kizaru he needed food to be able to last against him for a few mins

[final trench]

That wasnt his own doing

When luffy discovers the truth about his fruit then we can argue in luffys favor

But until then he’s shark food

[native cloud]

Shark food

[final trench]

Indeed 🤫

[dense haven]

@native cloud kid vs loki who wins

[tough igloo]

Luffy spams G5 24/7 now so he would’ve used it from the start and the time limit would’ve eventually ran out .. but since BBP were outnumbered it wouldn’t have mattered since SHs would’ve just gave Luffy more food

[native cloud]

Loki would wipe the floor with Kidd

[final trench]

According to bounty scalers kidd

[tough igloo]

but if we talking 1v1 on winners island , then luffy time limit is gonna cause him to lose vs Teach sadly

[native cloud]

Don’t do this

[final trench]

Brah

[native cloud]

It doesn’t count

[final trench]

Niggas tried to bounty scale like last week

[native cloud]

And you know it

[final trench]

So yea kidd and law> loki

[final trench]

Ofc not

Its sleazy admiral upscale and kaido glaze

BUT

[native cloud]

What??

[final trench]

I like playing stupid games

[native cloud]

Lol

[final trench]

And winning stupid prizes

Buggy high diffs luffy

Kong >>>>> mihawk

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-marines-marine-kong-kong-one-piece-gif-5688862059150871744

[thin quest]

Kong is fodder

[native cloud]

Bruh I don’t even think Kidd could beat Zoro

[final trench]

Woah

[native cloud]

Yeah

[final trench]

Kidd beating zoro

But he aint beating loki

[thin quest]

Law and Kid both lose to Zoro or Sanji

[final trench]

gulp

[tough igloo]

lmao alright now

sadly Sanji has no defense against Law DF

he’s getting toyed with lol

Zoro would stand a better chance though for sure

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-shrug-usa-idk-fairs-gif-17617111417979026064

[tough igloo]

and isn’t sanji bones also exoskeleton metal ? lmao Kid cooking him too

[final trench]

Mods kill that guy

[thin quest]

probably not a ferrous metal

[tough igloo]

Kid can control all metals though

and we know sanji fam exeskeleton works like actual metal and even bends and gets damaged like actual metal

[thin quest]

and anyway Sanji's Haki would be too strong for Kid's fruit to affect him

[final trench]

I dont think zoro is tanking that damned punk

Nor does he have the mobility to stop it

[tough igloo]

lmao bruh what .. big mom and kaido haki wasn’t even too strong for kid DF .. what are you talking about 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[native cloud]

I can’t believe you guys

[stone terrace]

Damned punk takes like 10 seconds to get ready

[tough igloo]

who tf you think sanji is lmao

[final trench]

Sanji> big mom

[stone terrace]

Nobody is getting caught by that

[final trench]

FAIRRRRSS 🙏🏾

[tough igloo]

lmao sanji apparently got stronger haki than kaido and big mom

[dapper tree]

Kid is beating Sanji and Zoro

Lmao

[final trench]

Interesting day we’re having

[thin quest]

Sanji is a wing of the future pirate king, Yonkos are nothing to him

[stone terrace]

Zoro gets matchup diffed but sanji idk about that

[final trench]

Shonny D

[tough igloo]

l-o-l

[native cloud]

See Punch is just saying anything yall don’t mind him

[dapper tree]

Are you from like another timeline?

[native cloud]

[dapper tree]

HUH

[tough igloo]

yeah i’m not even gonna talk about Law vs Sanji cause Sanji gets embarrassed by the Ope Ope so zoro and law is more interesting

but in no way is sanji haki too strong for Kid DF lol

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kid-onigashima-eustass-kid-gif-21951056

[thin quest]

no? Zoro and Sanji will be 2a and 2b by the end of the story

[dapper tree]

That doesn't matter in the now

Unless your talking about hypothetical matchups EoS

[native cloud]

How is Kidd beating Zoro or Loki? Explain that to me please. And this is not us joking like the usual

[dapper tree]

In which case

Still crazy

[thin quest]

nah

[tough igloo]

lmao zoro and sanji fans love talking about how strong they’ll be when the story is over .. what about NOW 😂

we see this arc and last arc they clearly ain’t built like that yet lol

[thin quest]

they're literally borderline Yonko already the both of them

[tough igloo]

lmao

that’s funny

[thin quest]

???

[dapper tree]

Kidd beats zoro without too much issue. He's just stronger. Loki heats kid. Loki is just stronger.

[thin quest]

Sanji would've held his own against Kizaru on Egghead

[dapper tree]

No they ain't

[thin quest]

yes they are

[final trench]

The bull is steamrolling both of them

[native cloud]

Do you hear that @dense haven

[dapper tree]

Zoro and Sanji just barely outta the commamder level

[dense haven]

yea kid neg diffs zoro

[tough igloo]

facts they are still commander level fighters lol that’s why the past 3 arcs Oda has had them fighting commander level opponents

[final trench]

Kidd deadass took a punch in the face from big mom then repelled her out the sky

We cant be serious

[dense haven]

literall what is zoro gonna do after kid takes away his swords

[dapper tree]

Sure, borderline Yonko level Zoro got stalled by YC 2 Lucci for 2 hours.

[tough igloo]

Oda has Law & Kid fight yonkos while he has Zoro & Sanji fight subordinates who aren’t even close to the yonkos

[final trench]

Also true

[dense haven]

sanji can beat kid tho

[dapper tree]

Surely Vista could stall kaido for 2 hours too

[tough igloo]

lol can’t count out Vista

[dense haven]

sanji wins mid diff

[tough igloo]

the Mihawk staller

[dapper tree]

Lmao spice

[thin quest]

true

neither Kid nor Law could kick Kizaru's light laser beam

[dapper tree]

Spice don't feed his delusions

[tough igloo]

this how i see it …

if the exoskeleton can be controlled by Kid then Sanji is cooked pretty easily

if the exoskeleton can’t be controlled by Kid then he’s gonna have a tough time vs Sanji

[native cloud]

This goes back to when I asked yall here how many Gorosie members would box with Kaido and yall backed out. Only Arsal argued reasonably.

And that’s what’s happening again here with this Zoro/Loki vs Kidd shit

[dapper tree]

They don't need to

[thin quest]

you just have an obvious Toei agenda

it's okay

[dense haven]

why would the exoskeleton be controlled by kid

[rain cedar]

Since when was the exoskeleton made of metal

[dense haven]

franky is the cyborg lulw

[dapper tree]

There in only one and that's warcury

Cause he's tanky

[final trench]

I wasnt there for that

But probably warcury

[native cloud]

Go on…

[dapper tree]

Otherwise the others get dabbed on by kaido

But they regen

[rain cedar]

Kaido has aCoC

[final trench]

If luffy wasnt able to break through and damage him i think kaido would struggle the most with him

[rain cedar]

He's gonna slaughter most of them

[dapper tree]

That doesn't negate it

[analog gorge]

why did the man who the flya" fly "but not as"walk"

[native cloud]

Huh?

[rain cedar]

It does reasonably well. Gaban vs Sommers and Rocks vs Garling showed us that

[tough igloo]

because it act and reacts just like metal .. when sanji and his brothers get damaged , their bones just get dents in them and bend like metal .. we don’t know what material it is which is why I said IF Kid can control it

cause against someone like Law , Sanji exoskeleton is useless

[rain cedar]

I just noticed you have the same pfp as shuron lmao

[tough igloo]

yeah he copied me lol

he liked the black viltumites pfp lol

[dapper tree]

It's not metal so it's fine

[dapper tree]

Sommers stinks in comparison to the gorosei at least

[tough igloo]

yeah well sanji speed could give kid some problems since we haven’t really seen kid fight against someone fast

sanji durabiltiy won’t be a problem cause Kid could damage big mom so sanji won’t be as hard to damage

[final trench]

I still think kaido is spanking them 1v1

[dense haven]

we did

shanks

[rain cedar]

Yeah buddy, I think Garling outclasses Saturn

[final trench]

If its all 5 of them then yea they’ll likely just make kaido tire out

[tough igloo]

Sanji not Shanks

that’s why i don’t count shanks

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/jdub-aura-nba-shai-okc-gif-9758280926946694955

[rain cedar]

And Sommers is....well Sommers

[dapper tree]

Assign would negate any speed advantage Sanji would have. Like easily

[tough igloo]

shanks had a advantage and saw the future of what kid was gonna do

[dense haven]

sanji is faster than shanks lol

[tough igloo]

sanji ain’t got that

[rain cedar]

Garling is the one who matters

[native cloud]

No he fights them individually

[final trench]

Oh then yea only warcury would give em trouble

[dense haven]

sanji is literally the fastest strawhat

[tough igloo]

based on what is he faster than shanks aside from headcanon cause oda has never dived into on shanks speed

[dapper tree]

Maybe sanji is yonko level

[native cloud]

Nha Luffy is

[final trench]

Is sanji faster than big mom? 👀

[tough igloo]

we just know shanks was fast enough to speed blitz kid while he was still on the island and kid was ships away

[thin quest]

Sanji also has the most impressive base level observation haki

of the SHs

[final trench]

Interestingggg

Didnt think a shanks fan would say this

[dapper tree]

That's fine

[dense haven]

im a sanji fan

[tough igloo]

apparently cause sanji was too fast for fat ass queen to see , it means he’s faster than oda golden boy shanks lol

[dense haven]

and he will surpass shanks eos

ez

[dapper tree]

We know

[dapper tree]

Queen is slow and stupid

[native cloud]

Spice did you just say that?

[final trench]

Interesting

[dapper tree]

Shanks will be a dead body eos so everyone will surpass him

[native cloud]

Lol Evan’s here

[dense haven]

jack wont

[rain cedar]

What if Shanks doesn't die though

[tough igloo]

also possible

[dapper tree]

He's already dead

[final trench]

That shit aint happening

[dapper tree]

[tough igloo]

he just loses but doesn’t die

[rain cedar]

What if Oda lets his favourite character live

[final trench]

Yea luffy living

[tough igloo]

sadly though if Oda had shanks survive he would’ve physically fuck him up more to where he would no longer be a threat

[rain cedar]

Yeah

Dawg, Oda didn't even kill off kuma and he's a half dead cyborg

He's gonna be revived eos

[final trench]

Not yet

[scenic dirge]

At his fastest, Sanji probably is the fastest SH but I don’t think he’s so fast that any top tier wouldn’t be able to react to him. The fastest we’ve seen him move was against Queen who’s a fat buffoon

[final trench]

Imus gonna kill kuma dw

[dapper tree]

There's still time for vivi to kill him

[rain cedar]

[tough igloo]

lmao Oda just got the straw hats dragging around lifeless vegetable cyborg body with his daughter

[native cloud]

[final trench]

Them buccaneer genes aint done yet

[rain cedar]

Lillith will have him doing the nika dance by 3 arcs max

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/kuma-saturn-bartholomew-jaygarcia-five-elders-gif-15155075450843080040

[dapper tree]

This arc

[final trench]

He has 1 rat left to punch

[tough igloo]

lol Saturn really got speed blitzed and his shit rocked by a 0.1 HP cyborg 🤦🏾‍♂️

[final trench]

Facts on some friday the 13th shit

[scenic dirge]

It still feels weird that Bonney and Kuma are on Elbaf lol

It’s so easy to forget that sometimes for me

[tough igloo]

lol I know Imu gotta be so fed up with their subordinates

[native cloud]

Yall think there’s a next level to Nikas fantasy or this is just it?

[dapper tree]

More nikas

[dense haven]

we have seen him move fast enough to intercept kizarus lasers

[final trench]

Bonney supposed to hop in that field

Idk wtf she doin

[dapper tree]

Marco level feat

[scenic dirge]

What is this supposed to tell us lol?

[final trench]

Chill marco tuff

Watchout

[dense haven]

that hes close to light speed

[final trench]

He was flinging king and queen

[dapper tree]

Marco is stronger than King

[tough igloo]

don’t worry .. Oda won’t miss the chance to have Imu going against 2 Nikas in Elbaf while Loki watches in shock lol

[final trench]

Not necessarily since lunarian genes + zoan tax but i do agree

[scenic dirge]

[hasty sable]

Peak

[final trench]

Experience can carry

[hasty sable]

Egghead best new world arc

[tough igloo]

maybe Imu even tells Bonney who her real father is during that moment lol

[dapper tree]

Lmao, that made me laugh

[rain cedar]

Elbaf clears icl

[final trench]

Mods kill that guy

[hasty sable]

Not even close

[final trench]

????

Aight now you laced

[rain cedar]

Yeah, it's not even close between Elbaf and Egghead

[final trench]

I have no problem with egghead but elbaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[hasty sable]

Egghead Eggjead Egghead

[rain cedar]

@rose rune

[final trench]

“Eggjead”🥹

[tough igloo]

facts , and i got both comfortably over Wano

[dapper tree]

Eggjead

[native cloud]

Lol

[hasty sable]

Egghebabchsjdd

[scenic dirge]

Skypiea best post ts arc

[signal forum]

enies lobby???

[dapper tree]

Any wci peak enjoyers

[final trench]

But jason dont you LOVE haki transcending all + rooftop piece

[rain cedar]

I LIVE BIG MOMMM

[final trench]

🥹🥹

[hasty sable]

Skypiea is so good we count it twice

[scenic dirge]

Never heard of it, ur gonna have to be more specific

[rain cedar]

*LOVE

[prisma yacht]

Where my lrll stans at

[signal forum]

all of skypiea glazers in a nutshell

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-killer-killer-one-piece-udon-kamazo-gif-6542949965111946696

[dapper tree]

Best post tine skip

[scenic dirge]

Wish I was in a nutshell rn

[final trench]

Killer frame mogged zoro, hawkins + his own crew so W

[tough igloo]

lmao don’t get me wrong , Wano had some PEAK moments like some of the highest in the story up to that point but it was just so much other shit in between that had me like

[native cloud]

Why are we doing this again? We always do this, why?

[rain cedar]

I think we all agree that punk hazard is the worst post ts arc right

[signal forum]

fishman island was worse

[scenic dirge]

Yes

No

[dapper tree]

I could ask you the same thing

[signal forum]

oh wait u said post ts

[rain cedar]

💔

[signal forum]

wait yh

[scenic dirge]

People say liking Skypiea is contrarian then I see them say they like Punk Hazard lol

[final trench]

The zoro murder mystery🫩🫩

[dapper tree]

Zoro when he said he'd round up the samurai but then didn't do anything

[hasty sable]

Punk Hazard has good moments and Caesar but def the most middling arc

With a lot of stuff I don’t care about

[rain cedar]

Caesar was a mid villain icl

[hasty sable]

Caesar is one of the funniest characters in One Piece

Egghead though

[final trench]

He figured out it was levels to this sword shit

[dapper tree]

True, zoro did get a tummy ache that arc and is excused of all the nothing he did

[tough igloo]

and this was the final straw lol just to have to hear cope from fans “ don’t worry , Kaido backstory will be fleshed out when we get Rocks flashback “ 🤦🏾‍♂️

[dapper tree]

So his alabasta again

[final trench]

Icl, that was me bro🥹🥹

But KAIDO STORY NOT DONE YET

STILL

[rain cedar]

I didn't mind the Kaido flashback. It told us his story from his childhood and there was nothing more to add to it

[tough igloo]

lmao ngl i fell for it like “ yeah that make sense “ just to not get shit fleshed out in rocks flashback 😂

[final trench]

We gotta know how he knows about joyboy + when he fought shanks

[tough igloo]

Kaido did a whole lot of yapping in Wano about certain shit that made fans think he had some deep backstory just to find out his shit was pretty average lol

[final trench]

I mean ifw his big brother moment with whitebeard and rocks

[tough igloo]

nothing on yamato and how he met her mom , nothing about why he thinks joyboy is the one who’ll beat him lol

[final trench]

Saying he wants power like WB, asking big mom to get him a DF likely for this reason. Then “getting” one and instantly going to show off to the both of em was nice

[final trench]

Facts

Tiger dragon theory never dies tho

[rain cedar]

As if Oda cares a whole lot about one piece mom's lmao

[tough igloo]

lol bro killed 4 moms in Elbaf arc alone 🤦🏾‍♂️

[hasty sable]

He knows about Joyboy from King

[tough igloo]

he setting new records for himself

[rain cedar]

The Ida death did catch me off guard because legitimately, there was no Real reason to kill her off

[tough igloo]

he didn’t know about joyboy from king though , we just see him talk to king about joyboy but it’s never shown or stated. that king is how he found out about joyboy

he just asked king if he thought he could be joyboy and king said he didn’t care as long as he remained the strongest

[final trench]

To make loki more justified

[rain cedar]

It explains the arsonist thing but man, was it necessary

[tough igloo]

and the one mother i thought would die this flashback didn’t (eris) lol

but sadly we all know her time is coming as well

[final trench]

I think she died when lulusia got nuked

[scarlet nacelle]

i assume she probably gonna die in BB's flashback

[hasty sable]

Giving your boy trauma responses lol

[scarlet nacelle]

would have been to much to go from harald backstory to loki to rocks then to bb then to loki and harald again

[hasty sable]

I think Imu might end up having the most satisfying death in the series

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-episode-1119-imu-looking-at-sabo-gif-3150554157530427386

[scarlet nacelle]

gotta love a third act breakdown

[hasty sable]

I want him to go out begging and crying

[final trench]

Brave take

[hasty sable]

Is it?

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty Imu will be captured and not kllied

[scarlet nacelle]

imu is the evil shadow dictator of the earth that's commited multiple genocides and im pretty sure he basically invented slavery
in what universe is he getting captured

[final trench]

Yes

[scarlet nacelle]

that nigga needs to be executed

[final trench]

We got alotta WG supporters round here

[hasty sable]

Oh lol

[pulsar path]

He did not invent slavery lmao

[hasty sable]

I’m not so sure now

Maybe before we found out it was helmed by the Devil

[scarlet nacelle]

im exaggerating on that part but you get my point he's too evil

[pulsar path]

Who says

[scarlet nacelle]

common sense

[final trench]

Exhibit A

[hasty sable]

Imu to me has been characterized as a very petty and small person

[pulsar path]

Did you miss all of vegapunks message

[hasty sable]

So his death will reflect how small he truly is when you strip away his trappings

[pulsar path]

Like you do realize joy boy is flooding the world right?

[scarlet nacelle]

he literally commited a genocide

[final trench]

They were both flooding the world

[hasty sable]

I only remember Imu doing that

[pulsar path]

No

[final trench]

The world has been destroyed twice

[hasty sable]

We don’t know what Joyboy did

[pulsar path]

Joy boy used the Anciant weapons

Y'all gotta reread egghead

[hasty sable]

We literally have no idea what happened. Joyboy did use the weapons, but that doesn’t mean he flooded the world.

[pulsar path]

We also seen Imu chillin with joy boy

[hasty sable]

I’m pretty sure Imu did that

[final trench]

Before the madness yea

[pulsar path]

Imu and the devil probably went the same thing

[scarlet nacelle]

capturing imu is just not viable because he's too strong to be contained anywhere and far to malevolent to ever change

[pulsar path]

Are not

[pulsar path]

Black beard will trap the devil in the abyss

[hasty sable]

Imu made the flood to create his perfect world and Joyboy used the weapons to fling a light of hope into the future

[scarlet nacelle]

ok thats permissable

[pulsar path]

I mean what vegapunk said is joy boy was the one to flood the world not Imu

Form all evidence Imu is responding to the world be flooded

[hasty sable]

Yeah but Vegapunk also said he doesn’t know what happened

[pulsar path]

He said he didn't know why it happened

[hasty sable]

He even says he doesn’t know who was right or wrong back then

A lot of what he’s doing is speculation

[pulsar path]

Exactly but he knew joy boy used the weapon

No

The only speculation was if Nika or Imu were evil

[hasty sable]

Joyboy likely did use the weapons for benevolent reasons

[pulsar path]

Thats why vegapunk didn't say who was good or who was bad because he doesn't understand the context

That why he was confused why joy boy flooded the world

[scarlet nacelle]

even in entertaining the thought that joyboy was a bad dude it doesn't make imu any better

[pulsar path]

He knows what happened but he doesn't know for the reasons and why

[scarlet nacelle]

all this talk about the subject makes me wanna know so much more too

[pulsar path]

Imu may not have been evil till he made a pack with he devil for what ever reason

[hasty sable]

There’s not going to be a twist where Joyboy was actually the bad one or even comparable

[pulsar path]

Bo but they will probably be neutral or something

I mean they were knows as the first pirate

[hasty sable]

It will be more that Imu has so thoroughly seized the narrative that it’s unthinkable why something like this would happen

[pulsar path]

Before the world government was established

Vegapunks narrative is separate from the wg

[hasty sable]

Joyboy and Nika are a force for good

[pulsar path]

Idk

[scarlet nacelle]

it'd be interesting to see the void century flashback through imu's eyes
having to take up our own interpretation and split the bias of imu from the genuine facts

[pulsar path]

Your forgetting

Nika is the god of destruction

Er rather the sun god

Nika has brought ruin and freedom

[hasty sable]

Destruction isn’t necessarily bad

Look at Dressrosa

[pulsar path]

Elbaf both loves and fears him

Did no one remember Nika being a dream beast?

We really don't know how or what Nika did as all we know he could have been a battle hungry Goku

Tbh most likely first world Nika is Imu or the devil Imu uses

[hasty sable]

Nika is fundamentally incompatible with Imu imo

[pulsar path]

Lucifer means light bearee or morning sun

Imu is a devil

Imu is first world Nika Fallon from Grace

Because literally the devil is the sun

[hasty sable]

!mural

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1497454280242757662/image.png?ex=69ed9479&is=69ec42f9&hm=7abc1f47d89258c9ce1521f78dfa107baae4b9b0cf28020cf0c31d36fb65fd40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1976&height=1443

[pulsar path]

Read the first world

That's the first sun god

That's who faught Ragnir and nidhog and the god of war

[hasty sable]

In the first world the sun god is a champion of the enslaved

In the second world man killing the sun is what creates the current status quo

[scarlet nacelle]

here's my view on it
we saw rocks claim that davy was the original king of the world
my hypothesis is that when davy was king of the world imu and joyboy were conspiriting together to bring him down (for good or for bad reasons i've no clue) but some way through the process they had a falling out, with joyboy either betraying imu or just abandonning the mission. which led to imu's hate for him
ngl this ain't based on much, just me spitballing here

[hasty sable]

In all three worlds the sun god is a force for good

[pulsar path]

That's not what it says but I could see why you would interpret it like that

I think joy boy was probably a on the side of freedom but idk about the original Nika

[ashen perch]

I mean that does seem to be very straightforward lol

[hasty sable]

My understanding of the first world is that mankind succumbing to greed led to exploitation, and the exploited created a dream of freedom from whatever “forbidden sun” they were tapping into, and that created Nika to fight for them. Then the creation of Nika itself is what led to the raging of the earth god. It’s the earth god that destroys the first world and not Nika.

Which I am extrapolating a lot

But Nika doesn’t seem to be the bad guy in any of the three worlds

[scarlet nacelle]

i mean spreading the fires of war doesn't seem all that good

[hasty sable]

Spreading the fires of war against whom?

[pulsar path]

Exactly

Doesn't matter

[ashen perch]

Not only the Harley, but I mean our very introduction to Nika painted him as the hero of the slaves. That is why WW said ''oh you would know a lot about a guy that slaves admired huh?'' to Jinbe lol

[hasty sable]

It does

Do you think the Revos are the bad guys? They spread the fires of war.

[final trench]

The slaves prayed and the sun god appeared and niggas calling him evil

Shon

[pulsar path]

Than why do the giants fear them as a god of destruction.

Some

[ashen perch]

thousands of years have passed

nobody really knows the truth of what happened

[white musk]

I am finally back

[final trench]

Mixed information

Likely frm the WG but thats a topic for another time

[pulsar path]

Exactly that where the convo started with vegapunk not knowing who was good or bad because joy boy flooded the world

It's not

Vegapunks info is not from the wg

[ashen perch]

I Imagine all that remained is the memory of the destruction of the world after the battle between Nika and the Earth God.

It would be like if thousands of years after the liberation of Dressrosa, all that people remembered was the complete and utter destruction of Dressrosa

[final trench]

We’ll see

[ashen perch]

naturally you'd think that Luffy was like a god of destruction

[pulsar path]

Yah dressrossa compared to the world I completely different they said Nika brings world ruin not a an island and I very much doubt the wg had any influence on elbafs beliefs

[ashen perch]

I mean I imagine Nika and the Earth God were incredibly powerful

[final trench]

Ah yes, the WG would never interfere

How foolish of me

[pulsar path]

With elbaf

Specifically elbaf

[final trench]

The people they demonize ?

[ashen perch]

The WG doesnt need to interfere with their beliefs, its been thousands of years

nobody remembers what actually went down anymore

[hasty sable]

I mean, the “world” defeated Joyboy and look at what it grew into. Maybe he was right to spread a little fires of war.

[final trench]

98% imu framed joyboy

[pulsar path]

We don't understand the con text

[final trench]

As they are tryna frame luffy

[hasty sable]

I guarantee you if anything super evil happened back then it was Imu lol

[pulsar path]

Joy boy did flood the worst

World

That's not a good thing

[final trench]

Neither is owning slaves and wiping out races and clans

Yet here we are

[ashen perch]

he isnt said to have flooded the world

it was done in the Void Century, thats all

[hasty sable]

The Poseidon at the time might have done it

[final trench]

And now that the original joyboy is out of the equation imu is doing that AGAIN

But he aint evil???

Cmon now

Bro just upped a ancient weapon last arc

[pulsar path]

Did vegapunk not specifically ask the question why joy boy flooded the world? Did he not say he used the aw for some reason?

[hasty sable]

Imu raised sea levels by five meters for the lulz basically

[ashen perch]

we know his faction did have the ancient weapons but one of them like Poseidon can act on her own, and one of them, Uranus, is with Imu

VP only says that it was the ancient weapons, not who used it

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-cat-scuba-scuba-cat-ai-gif-4141008857407916071

[hasty sable]

I can also see Joyboy being close with Poseidon, and his death triggering Poseidon’s power and making it grow out of he control

[final trench]

First joyboy jumped imu now joyboy flooding the world and imu did nothing

Wow

HOLY PROPAGANDA

[ashen perch]

(also I forgot to say this but I am pretty sure the final battle is gonna destroy the current world too)

[wraith mantle]

other than the elders, who else didn't betray imu in the VC?

[hasty sable]

Imu should stop being a little bitch boy if he doesn’t like getting betrayed

[ashen perch]

since VP basically said that the current world WILL sink

[hasty sable]

Iceberg save us

[final trench]

I mean we know he fought the 20 kingdoms so probably nobody

[ashen perch]

A reason why I wont rule out Elbaf's destruction here is because I imagine the destruction of an island of that size would be catastrophic

we do have to get closer to that point that VP talked about, Elbaf's destruction could maybe get us there quicker

[hasty sable]

Imu could burn the tree on his way out

[pulsar path]

1 meter

[pulsar path]

Imu got that weapon after the war I'm guessing because how vegapunk frames it only the Anciant kingdom had weapons like that that's why the 20 kingdoms had to come together

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/life_dayo/status/1995124002889646106

ライフ (@life_dayo)

実は好きな2人で厚塗り練習
楽しいけどアニメ塗りの100倍時間かかる

X · Nov 30, 2025, 1:33 PM

[hasty sable]

If Joyboy was the first pirate then I wonder if he wasn’t actually directly affiliated with the ancient kingdom

[knotty root]

I always appreciate the color placement in arts like these

makes it satisfying to look at

[hasty sable]

Davy Jones would have been king and the robot wanted to make Joyboy king.

Which means Joyboy was never king of anything

[ashen perch]

maybe but thats an assumption, theres no reason to think that Imu already didnt have Uranus

[pulsar path]

Yeah

There is

They didn't have tech

It's literally states in vegapunk messege

[ashen perch]

yeah, because the ancient kingdom made them

that doesnt mean it couldnt have been stolen

[hasty sable]

Imu wormed his way in and stole an ancient weapon. There’s no way twenty kingdoms could win without some treachery if the ancient kingdom was as advanced as we are told.

[pulsar path]

You can't steal tech you don't have the energy to power or the how to use it

[knotty root]

Wonder how did thesncient kingdom "made" poseidon

[pulsar path]

It's very unlikely they used the weapon first

They would have to see it used first

[pulsar path]

Through DNA manipulation

[hasty sable]

It’s magic

[ashen perch]

I mean if Imu steal the weapon, I am sure he could steal the source

[pulsar path]

Regardless they had to see the weapon used at least once

[knotty root]

Doesn't sound farfetchd

[ashen perch]

yeah I imagine they manipulated the bloodline elements of a mermaid, but I am not fully sure how exactly that started the reincarnation cycle

[pulsar path]

Meaning joyboy/ ancient kingdom shot the first shot into a the flood

[pulsar path]

Yup especially when we know vegapunk tech is below the Anciant kingdom so anything he can do they could do probably ten times more or better

[ashen perch]

not necessarily, the ancient weapons are being framed as not inherently bad by multiple characters

Oden literally wanted to awaken Pluton

[pulsar path]

Yeah but not every weapon is the same

What ever was used to flood the earth was bad

[knotty root]

Anything you can do I can do better. I can do anything better then you 🎶

[pulsar path]

Or the way they used it was bad

[urban lodge]

Fake goth girl art

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2055916799305355493

熹嶋 (@Kjjmmmut)

先代神騎士の謎の美女、ずっと気になる

**💬 3 🔁 124 ❤️ 1.3K 👁️ 30.6K **

FixupX · May 17, 2026, 7:42 AM

[pulsar path]

A car isn't a. Weapon untill someone starts hitting people

[ashen perch]

Its a case of the weapons landing into the wrong hands imo, thats basically established to us through Tom and Franky's story

[ashen perch]

hype

[hasty sable]

Look at this mf and tell me Joyboy was the bad guy

[wraith mantle]

shes blonde

[pulsar path]

Tru but what I'm saying is the Anciant kingdom or joy boy was the first to use it not the 20 kingdoms

[ashen perch]

The weapons may have been made to serve another purpose

[urban lodge]

That's why I said fake

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-cat-scuba-scuba-cat-ai-gif-4141008857407916071

[ashen perch]

Toei makes up color schemes, dont mind them

[pulsar path]

They were 10000 percent probably but the Anciant kingdom I believe used them as weapons or threats

[final trench]

Would the 20 kings not reside in the ancient kingdom

[wraith mantle]

wait do they acually

[ashen perch]

yeah

[wraith mantle]

i really hope she is not actually blonde

[pulsar path]

20 kingdoms may have been under control of the Anciant kingdoms just like today with the wg

[urban lodge]

She's probably not

[wraith mantle]

they absolutely massacred her design/color scheme

[pulsar path]

Possibly joy boy was tired of it all

[ashen perch]

They are not actually consulting Oda on this shit lol, they have gotten plenty wrong over the years

[urban lodge]

Mihawk's piss coat is fake

[ashen perch]

Oda drew him with the same coat

[urban lodge]

We just saw it recently with the plushies color spread

[ashen perch]

Toei just made it yellow cause they felt like it

[pulsar path]

I mean devil fruits could have been a way to suppress and control the populace

[ashen perch]

the point is that theres nothing to say anything for sure either way

[pulsar path]

Right so let's not say joy boy was good and the 20 kingdoms were evil till we get the full story

[ashen perch]

You cant make a confident claim on either of their motives, their ideology or anything

[pulsar path]

Exactly that's the whole point of what I'm saying

[ashen perch]

we just know they fought and it cause immense amounts of destruction

[hasty sable]

The Twenty Kingdoms created the World Government lol

[pulsar path]

Because someone say joy boy is objectionably good

[final trench]

He is

[pulsar path]

How do you know the Anciant kingdom were enslaving non wing people

[tranquil oracle]

i hope he aint some good dude sterotype and is more contradictory tbh

[ashen perch]

well I mean the evidence is leading towards good for sure

[pulsar path]

Or Nika for that matter

Idk if Nika was a good guy

[ashen perch]

okay with Nika its not even in DOUBT

[pulsar path]

Joy boy is more likely

How ?

[rain cedar]

He's literally called the slave liberator 😭😭😭