also-manga

[urban lodge]

I think what surprised me the most was Killingham not being in the top 100

[prisma yacht]

Loki is doing better than what many ppl expected

[hasty sable]

And the Sabaody trio are not any of them top 2

[trim lily]

recency bias is not a powerful drug

[deep chasm]

So when Harald was fighting back, was he beating loki, or was he losing regardlesss?

[runic dock]

Which required just standing there , i dont believe he turned off his holy knightness

[ashen perch]

well yeah I am sure he'd rather not be hurt

[hasty sable]

Shanks and Blackbeard would also beat Loki

And Mihawk

[deep chasm]

who is the sabaody trio

[ashen perch]

Luffy, Kid and Law

[prisma yacht]

Me when no biblu no harald no garling no haj

[deep chasm]

that is actually blasphemous lol

[prisma yacht]

Stupid ass fandom nuke them

[raven marten]

Was fighting equally for a whille. Clearly kaido could do this to he could fight a buffed harald equally for a whille

[urban lodge]

I guess all the Killingham fans are likely Law fans as well and just voted Law instead

[runic dock]

That’s crazy , kid doesn’t even exist currently

[hard lynx]

kid and law stronger than loki? wtf?

[ashen perch]

100% true on Luffy, Kid and Law can go either way

[prisma yacht]

No sommers too

[hasty sable]

I push back hard on the “Loki is the strongest guy ever”

[runic dock]

Yeah it’s kind of a bold assumption

[deep chasm]

They werent fighting equally though. It was loki dominating. Thats how they got to the point where Harald could let him get the last blow

[trim lily]

the railgun would probably do a good bit of damage to loki

[runic dock]

He doesn’t have to be strongest ever but not as strong as kid? Holy smokes

[deep chasm]

Okay thats fine, saying he's below kid and law is actually insane though lmao

[runic dock]

I doubt it honestly , it’s not even width wise very large

[prisma yacht]

He meant Kid and law like together

[ashen perch]

I dont think Harald is actually that strong for that feat to even be considered so strongly, even ignoring the potential nerfs

[prisma yacht]

2v1

[deep chasm]

You can say hes not top 2 you can make him not top 5 but below kid and law is genuine downplay

[runic dock]

Loki could probably just stand there

[trim lily]

yeah but what if he strikes a vital part

[prisma yacht]

Harald is very strong

[trim lily]

width doesn’t matter much if it pierced through

[prisma yacht]

You can take my word for it

[runic dock]

Imu pierced thru him and he’s been stabbed up by Cerberus

[trim lily]

those mythical zoans that i hate…

[ashen perch]

Kid spread that beam out on a pretty wide width when he destroyed around 10+ ships in 10 seconds

[raven marten]

From the looks of it he is arguably yonko level if not lower, he will need a power up and a big one at that

[ashen perch]

I am sure he can do that to Loki

[runic dock]

It’s mythical zoan piece rn

[hasty sable]

Damned Punk is broken

[trim lily]

why do they get to be both super strong and near regenerative

[golden valley]

Before or after Loki smashes his face in

[hasty sable]

And Kroom also

[unkempt dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/babe-babe-one-piece-one-piece-mr-4-mr-4-one-piece-gif-12266816804839246301

[deep chasm]

Loki is clearly near the top of the strongest people born in the past 800 years. obviously he'll be below imu joyboy and davy. Otherwise theres genuinely not anyone that you can really say would be destroying loki in a fight. Certain people may be above but he's not all that far from the top (assuming he's not at the top)

[ashen perch]

Assign his ass to Yggdrasil and whats Loki doing?

[golden valley]

Same thing as BM

[hasty sable]

I don’t think Loki is beating an emperor solo either

[ashen perch]

?????????????????

[crude nebula]

We’re all scaling him as top 1 once Luffy dies

[unkempt dagger]

A cannon ate a Inu inu fruit?

[ashen perch]

I dont think he can uproot that tree...

[unkempt dagger]

I mean… convenient

[raven marten]

True, but this fight is really imu not taking him serious at all she has barely given him attention in terms of his strength

[urban lodge]

Idk if we can safely say it would work on Loki as well as it did Big Mom

[ashen perch]

It would because BM is stronger

[hasty sable]

It would probably work better

[golden valley]

He can destroy it if Loki while sea stone cuffed and on deaths door made a blast bigger than the Adam Tree

[deep chasm]

But why do you assume lower? Loki 14 years ago with a new found fruit beat a buffed harald. A buffed version of a guy who was equal to rocks. Now he's fighting Imu. Regardless of what caveats you make, we should acknowledge how much love Oda is giving this character.

I think its pretty undeniable that hes yonko level now. The question is: what rank does he actually fall at?

[crude nebula]

Imus definitely trying

[hasty sable]

He’s 2.6 billion strong

[golden valley]

Not to mention

[ashen perch]

true

[deep chasm]

And yet this is more glaze in a fight vs imu than anyone has gotten

[raven marten]

I couldn’t say so

[golden valley]

Ragnir hard counters Kidd’s constructs

[crude nebula]

Well i would so now what

[urban lodge]

Loki is definitely physically way stronger

[ashen perch]

I dunno, he smacked it with all his might

[golden valley]

Not even sure why this is being entertained ngl

[ashen perch]

and its not like it really made a difference to the tree

[deep chasm]

Loki genuinely does not need to counter Assign. He's just tanking the attack that comes after 😭

[golden valley]

Cuz it was a warning shot

[raven marten]

Since this is imus true form and he is the guy who is fighting imu first (not counting the others)

[hasty sable]

Loki definitely isn’t way stronger than Kid. Even if you assume Loki wins Kid would give him a very hard time.

[golden valley]

And the blast itself is what matters

Bud

[ashen perch]

assign + damned punk is the idea

[golden valley]

Loki ragdolled HK Harald

[hasty sable]

This is a guy that killed an emperor

[ashen perch]

I dont think he's tanking that

[golden valley]

Loki would ragdoll Kidd

In direct confrontation

[raven marten]

What makes you think imu is trying? And taking “LOKI” SERIOUSLY

[urban lodge]

The volcano killed the emperor actually

[unkempt dagger]

Harald was also an ancient giant

[crude nebula]

Walking back

[urban lodge]

Well "killed"

[deep chasm]

And he's not being destroyed like you'd expect. That is evidence of something. We dont get to just ignore it. Loki is pretty undeniably yonko level. The debate now is among those yonko, where does he rank? And is he possibly stronger than all of them

[unkempt dagger]

BOOSTED ancient giant

[golden valley]

Who’s immensely incompetent and with teamwork btw

[prisma yacht]

I don't think cerberus is doing anything to big mom or kaido what it did to loki

[crude nebula]

The fact that hes in a rush

[golden valley]

Loki solos BM

[dense haven]

I have no idea what manga arsal is reading that he thinks kid can do anything we have seen in the past couple chapters

[deep chasm]

never thought I'd see the day we're saying Kidd is beating loki

[hasty sable]

Big Mom kills Loki

[deep chasm]

I feel like Im the usual person to defend kid and law, this is just weird

[ashen perch]

If his devil fruit reminded Imu of his old buddy Jika, then Kid is easily doing the same thing

[golden valley]

Not even close

Well the fight would be tough, but she’d never succeed

[crude nebula]

So we just vibe scaling

[dense haven]

chopper is more likely to get a god fruit than kid

actual canon

[ashen perch]

Loki's very lucky that Imu's so nostalgia-pilled

[raven marten]

No one expected him to get destroyed right after him saying “ i can destory any pirate crew of ur liking”. I would say in terms of yonko scalling he is equal to luffy/kaido but he is not above shanks

[golden valley]

Now we need Loki glazers

[hasty sable]

There are plenty of those

[golden valley]

This Loki downplay made ppl too comfortable

[ashen perch]

It wasnt me saying that he's actually getting a god fruit, I am just comparing the situation here

[golden valley]

Loki mid diffs Kidd

[hasty sable]

Not downplaying him either. You people put too much on him lol.

He’s obviously very powerful

[golden valley]

And mid diff might be generous

[urban lodge]

I think sometimes people overhype Loki but yeah saying he loses to Kid is crazy to me

[golden valley]

No

[deep chasm]

Sure, Im fine with him not being above shanks. All im saying rn is any debates of loki being below yonko level just are kinda pointless at this point. Its not "yonko level or below" . It's "yonko level or above" at the moment

[golden valley]

He ragdolled Harald dude

[urban lodge]

I think he one shots Kid lol

[golden valley]

Theres no “Kidd vs Loki” is close

[deep chasm]

lmao Im saying

[golden valley]

Loki ragdolled Harald

[raven marten]

That makes no sense. Show some panels of imu actually trying. Not her weaker fighters saying that :-:.

[prisma yacht]

It started with kid and law vs loki no

[hasty sable]

They’d both high diff Loki

[crude nebula]

Imu is talking there

[golden valley]

Harald at WORSE is Kidd tier

[urban lodge]

Archer thinks they're individually stronger than Loki

[deep chasm]

I dont care how much you think Imu is holding back. Oda chose Loki to do things like this but we're saying kid beats him

[unkempt dagger]

Is… Is Imu stalling so that Killingham and Sommers complete the mission? I dont see Loki getting caught off guard here unless Imu is holding back more powerful moves.

[hasty sable]

Yuh

[ashen perch]

I am not necessarily seeing Loki downplay, what I am seeing is a lot of Luffy downplay, Kid downplay and I guess we havent even gotten into Law yet but I know the answer y'all would have

[hasty sable]

Slightly stronger

Practically equal

[ashen perch]

this is embarassing for Loki

[raven marten]

Currently he is doing nice because for some reason imu don’t wanna focus all her attention on Loki “LOKI”

[golden valley]

Maybe Luffy downplay

Kidd downplay no

[deep chasm]

and do you think the yonko would do much better

[unkempt dagger]

Thats what im saying! Bro is dwelling in the nostalgia mid fight.

[prisma yacht]

Kid is dying to that attack

[deep chasm]

this is the guy who cant tank a damned punk?

[unkempt dagger]

You are fighting a lightning dragon your heinous

[deep chasm]

oh my days

[hasty sable]

Loki needs to lose soon so people will calm down about him

[raven marten]

“Show some panels of imu actually trying” :-: Show

[deep chasm]

You're delaying the inevitable my guy

[golden valley]

Loki is eating Damned Punk

[raven marten]

I could see luffy and kaido doing better and same thing with shanks

[crude nebula]

Son you made the claim you have to prove he isn’t are you mad?

[golden valley]

He’d feel it tho

[unkempt dagger]

I mean… the more Loki can keep up im not going to downscale Imu. Dude was already coughing blood

[deep chasm]

Doubting loki was fair when he didnt beat harald and start boxing with imu. Kinda a losing battle now

he doesnt have to be top 2 or anything

[ashen perch]

Imu's not even trying to kill Loki lol, so ofc he tanked that Nemesis

[deep chasm]

but below kidd is horrible

[high wolf]

There is no way we're debating Loki vs Kidd LMAO 😂

[hasty sable]

SEE

[raven marten]

Him focusing on luffy alone explains that. Him not being unguarded 40% of the fight explains that to

[deep chasm]

these takes are so bad

[muted hedge]

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Ama(あま) (@XgInrw)

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X · May 14, 2026, 3:28 PM

[ashen perch]

like I said, if Kid had Imu feeling nostalgic about the Magnet God Jika, we'd be seeing him do the same

[unkempt dagger]

No way Imu is going to attempt to capture Loki… if he isn’t going to kill him

[deep chasm]

ok so is Big mom doing better

[golden valley]

No we would not

[raven marten]

Depends

[mighty shell]

not enough characters

[deep chasm]

on what

[golden valley]

Ya cant even quantify how much Imu is holding back

[raven marten]

If imu is off guard 40% of the fight yes then i see big mom doing somewhat of good

[golden valley]

Even though I’d agree

[crude nebula]

40%? Lmao

[golden valley]

If i wanna steelman

[deep chasm]

The issue is people cant separate "he's holding back" from "this feat doesnt matter"

[golden valley]

Theres no way of proving how much Imu is limiting themselves

[deep chasm]

Yes Imu isnt trying his best, its still a huge feat lmao. And narratively it is insane that Loki would be allowed to do this

[hasty sable]

Big Mom obviously does way better than Loki

[deep chasm]

especially be the first character (besides joyboy I guess if you wanna count that emeth thing) to really do anything to imu

[prisma yacht]

No shit

[hasty sable]

Get real guys. You see a shiny new toy and lose your heads over it lol.

[prisma yacht]

It's the main antag

[golden valley]

Archer

[ashen perch]

He's holding back a killshot because he wants to recruit him to his side, he even offered him a contract again. The fight ends at Nemesis if Imu wants to kill.

[deep chasm]

Yea you were fair to say that when it was socrates arguing with 0 evidence

[golden valley]

Are you gonna offer anything to the convo or is this bait

[deep chasm]

loki beat a yonko level character 14 years ago with a new fruit

and is now fighting imu

[hasty sable]

It’s always bait

[deep chasm]

it is not the same as a new toy

[past flax]

the hell yall discussing about now

[golden valley]

Cuz Loki’s feats were explained to you, now you’re just saying the same thing

[deep chasm]

you're just dying on a bad hill

[golden valley]

Okay I see

[ashen perch]

He wouldnt even last 30 seconds

[muted hedge]

can't wait to see Imu's color scheme next week

[past flax]

youve fallen right in archers trap of bait

[unkempt dagger]

Another key aspect of Imu… is their social manipulation

[hasty sable]

Meanwhile Harald lets himself be killed by Loki

[deep chasm]

so did we read the whole chapter

where its made clear loki was on the way to win anyway

[past flax]

i hope hes blue and pink with a hint of green 🙂‍↕️

[crude nebula]

Yall would keep saying that when him n Luffy send him back lmao

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cartoon-chicken-funny-dance-gif-14242277

[golden valley]

Cannot prove this

[raven marten]

Yeah the only reason loki got 2 hits on imu was because she was off guard 100% of his hits was beacuse of imu being off guard

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[deep chasm]

and then you'd wonder why someone says you're just baiting

[ashen perch]

Nemesis was the killshot that Imu didnt take on purpose

[crude nebula]

How abt this

[prisma yacht]

Sure let's say imu didn't aim for his heart

[hasty sable]

Need this mf to lose

[ashen perch]

a slight adjustment of the blade and Loki's having a happy little reunion with Harald

[hasty sable]

I am such a Loki hater

[ashen perch]

and Ida

[golden valley]

Loki would be just fine

[prisma yacht]

But loki still ate that attack

[deep chasm]

and so thats all it is for you then. Its a bias lets just keep it there

[raven marten]

Is that the blast?

[past flax]

sighs another fave of mine youre gonna mock huh

[golden valley]

Several OP characters take shots to their vitals

[ashen perch]

(Estrid is in hell)

[crude nebula]

Its the attck with ragnir

[hasty sable]

Loki is cool actually

But the fanbase for him is annoying

[wraith mantle]

Women in one piece don’t have organs so they are safe from these shots

[unkempt dagger]

Zoans got it covered when it comes to survivability

[past flax]

is it shanks level of annoying?

[muted hedge]

no you don't

[hasty sable]

Some of you actually think he’s stronger than the fucking emperors lmao

[ashen perch]

you cant really say, what we can say is that Imu wants Loki

[past flax]

yes i do im calling oda now to tell him to make it that way

[ashen perch]

he desires Loki

[wraith mantle]

Ehhhh

[muted hedge]

i've already told him to make him with white hair and red or gray skin sorry

[wraith mantle]

There’s a strong argument for Loki to be as strong if not stronger than the yonkos

[deep chasm]

so there's genuinely more evidence he's stronger than the emperors compared to him being weaker than Kid lmao so just acknowledge its bias and keep it there

[past flax]

well hes my uncle twice removed so hes gonna listen to me

[raven marten]

Mind if you send the whole panel?

[muted hedge]

well, he is my son

[ashen perch]

he lost to an emperor man, you guys deny the evidence, thats all

[hasty sable]

There’s basically none except Harald doing a suicide by Loki

Harald let himself die

[past flax]

....grandpa?

[crude nebula]

Js go look it up im not adjusting the image

[muted hedge]

i named oda jr. after... me

[golden valley]

*We cant really say

[ashen perch]

yes, that is denial

[deep chasm]

Which you'd never actually discuss because you're trying to keep it at "haha yall are so dumb" and never get into it. That doesnt rlly work unless you're arguing against a very unpopular opinion

[golden valley]

And thats all there is to it

[hasty sable]

Shanks beat his ass and tied him to a tree

[wraith mantle]

I mean shanks could have jumped him

[hasty sable]

And you think he’s stronger than emperors

It is ridiculous

[raven marten]

say the name of the attack. You legit not even showing anything but the effects of the attack :-:

[ashen perch]

Even when Gaban directly judges Luffy's individual strength to compare it with Shanks, even when Gaban directly indicates that Shanks's strength allowed him to capture Loki

[deep chasm]

Loki beat a dude who was buffed and normally equal to rocks and you think he's weaker than kid

if you can't actually discuss anything why embarass yourself

[hasty sable]

Suicide by Loki

[crude nebula]

Its imu inside the blast

[hasty sable]

I’m so embarrassed 😭

[deep chasm]

broken record doesnt know any other words

[hasty sable]

Oonga boonga

[ashen perch]

so what happened to Kid? why not, sure

[deep chasm]

exhibit A I guess

[ashen perch]

man

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/artistic_ape/status/2054993861060030903/photo/1

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X · May 14, 2026, 6:34 PM

[urban lodge]

It would be really cool if Shanks had to fight dirty or jump Loki to win but I don't think Oda has the balls to do that

[deep chasm]

So Archer is just biased. I wonder why Arsal thinks kid can beat loki

[crude nebula]

You do look embarrassing

[wraith mantle]

I meant shanks and his crew jumping Loki

[hasty sable]

Kid and Loki have the same feat of getting their ass beat by Shanks

[raven marten]

Doesn’t change the fact that you showing me the result of the attack. Say the name or send the panel :-:

[muted hedge]

remember Loki also had a crew with him

[ashen perch]

I love Loki, Archer also said that he loves Loki. I dunno where this bias thing is coming from

[muted hedge]

i think it's Shanks vs Loki and then Loki's crew vs Shanks crew

[ashen perch]

I have never seen a guy hate Loki

[wraith mantle]

I think at this point of the story, we shouldn’t be surprised if the yonkos were power cliffed

[crude nebula]

Its 1183 dawg i dont work for you

[ashen perch]

see the root of this evil is Xebec

[brittle basin]

Monster upscale incoming????

[wraith mantle]

He’s the og Monkey D

Loki has mastery over conq, has an ancient legendary hammer, has ancient giant strength, has a legendary fruit

[muted hedge]

nor have i, he seems to be universally loved

[wraith mantle]

Nigga is automatically a top tier

[ashen perch]

You overrate Xebec ---> you overrate Harald ------> you overrate Loki killing him --------> you overrate Loki

[brittle basin]

it's difficult to hate Loki

[dense haven]

where is imu in this equation

[hasty sable]

I was being facetious

[deep chasm]

so is xebec weaker than kid arsal

[hasty sable]

I said I like Loki under that

[dense haven]

honestly no matter how strong you think rocks is

[raven marten]

You make no sense. I told you to send a panel then shows me a image of a result of some random ahh attack. Clearly you can’t show anything. Clearly proving my point that loki has only landed hits beacuse imu was off guard

[prisma yacht]

Funny ass chat

[brittle basin]

Don't worry, I'll make sure not to post that context.

[dense haven]

there is no way kid can survive an encounter with imu

[hasty sable]

Thank you

[brittle basin]

to be fair, Rocks didn't either. and that was long distanceMu

[crude nebula]

This is literally all you need thats Imu n his wings in there

[ashen perch]

Xebec died before he could peak

[deep chasm]

Thats just not what I asked though

[muted hedge]

i'd say Xebec was at his peak

[prisma yacht]

😭

[ashen perch]

well shit yeah, cause he fucking died

[deep chasm]

so like

was xebec weaker than kid

[brittle basin]

Kid might be stronger than Xebec

[muted hedge]

no i mean even if he continued to live, i don't think he'd get stronger

i think that Xebec's prime was at God Valley even if he continued to live

[wraith mantle]

What are we doing man

[ashen perch]

I think Kid's stronger than the Xebec that clashed with Harald

[raven marten]

Imu wings being inside there doesn’t mean the attack wasn’t off guard. “MARINE” That’s all i need to know :-: You clearly lacking the brain cells

[soft tangle]

Oda made another kaido already, knew he was ass too

[deep chasm]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[wraith mantle]

Nigga thinks kid can kill an admiral

[urban lodge]

Wait let Arsal cook

[deep chasm]

mind you kid probably hasnt peaked either so its not like this is peak kid vs "not prime" xebec

[brittle basin]

yeah possibly. in context, we are getting to a point where Luffy is ultra endgame strong, and kid is not far behind.

[prisma yacht]

[deep chasm]

Arsal just thinks Kid>xebec genuinely 😭

[urban lodge]

Based

[ashen perch]

yeah I do

Law too btw

[soft tangle]

Not crazy

[crude nebula]

Not offgaurd

[deep chasm]

wait you made an interesting distinction

[wraith mantle]

Akainu vs harald who wins

[deep chasm]

"that clashed with harald"

was xebec at god valley (before domi reversi) also weaker than kid?

just to clarify you aren't tryna avoid saying that

[golden valley]

Kidd nor Law would kill an Admiral with barely any injuries

[muted hedge]

oh shit it's break week

[wraith mantle]

Then live to escape Imu’s wrath

[muted hedge]

that explains a lot

[golden valley]

So this has to be just sheer reaching just for the sake

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-meme-tekking-tekking101-break-next-week-gif-17490271199949736348

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[golden valley]

Of trying to make Loki weaker

[ashen perch]

I think the Kid we see soon will be stronger than that Xebec

[urban lodge]

What wrath

[hasty sable]

Suicide by Loki

[golden valley]

Not only that

[raven marten]

It was chatper 1182 not 1183 you flipping low iq creature

[urban lodge]

Imu barely acknowledged his existence

[golden valley]

Rocks is at worse Kidd tier

[crude nebula]

Lmaoooo

[deep chasm]

Thats not what I asked though. The most recent version of kidd you've seen vs Rocks at god valley who is stronger

[wraith mantle]

Are we to assume Imu didn’t try to attack him?

[dense haven]

but loki did thats what matters lol

[urban lodge]

Yeah?

[golden valley]

Loki stomped an Amped Harald

[hasty sable]

So saying he beat a buffed Harald is incredibly misleading lol

[dense haven]

we dont need to scale loki with rocks from 40 years ago

[urban lodge]

He wouldn't have left alive if Imu did

[ashen perch]

lets say they are equals to soften the blow

[dense haven]

we literally have loki fighting imu rn

[golden valley]

So replace Harald with Kidd and the result is worse

[dense haven]

kid would never survive

[wraith mantle]

Why on earth would Imu let him go after invoking Davy’s name

[deep chasm]

Say your actual opinion. Just seems like you are trying to avoid admitting something otherwise

[golden valley]

Yeah but theyre coping

[deep chasm]

whats the actual answer

[hasty sable]

Neither will Loki

He’s going to lose

[ashen perch]

I think they are atleast equals Laww

[raven marten]

Loki wouldn’t have landed that attack if imu was screaming after luffy from the start.

[deep chasm]

and you've made it clear thats not your full answer

please tell me the full answer

[urban lodge]

You're getting closer to realizing Rocks is a bad character

[crude nebula]

Thats a different one so it doesnt matter

[ashen perch]

I think God Valley was an event where literally no one was even close to their primes

[deep chasm]

Okay and thats not my question

[hasty sable]

Kid wins 6 times out of 10

[deep chasm]

so thats not stopping you from answering

[hasty sable]

Luffy wins 7 times out of 10

[dense haven]

bait

[prisma yacht]

😭

[ashen perch]

I answered Laww, I think at the very least Kid and Xebec are equals

[crude nebula]

But then whos to say Akainu doesn’t mid diff Imu

[hasty sable]

It’s always bait when Loki is involved

[prisma yacht]

Spice is calling out bait lmao

[deep chasm]

And you made it clear you are saying it that way to "soften the blow" . Give me the actual answer

[brittle basin]

to be extra fair, Imu domi'd Rocks and couldn't domi Nidhogg. Who knows how well Rocks would've fared now that I think about it

[urban lodge]

Rocks is almost Dorry level

[brittle basin]

and this is SurfaceMu™

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/messi-handshake-awkward-awkward-meme-awkward-handshake-gif-18252544434002725245

[muted hedge]

i mean Xebec himself knew he wasn't strong enough

[soft tangle]

Prime kaido on god valley saves everyone fr

[prisma yacht]

to fight IMU

[brittle basin]

How many more power levels does GardenMu™ have compared to SurfaceMu™?

[muted hedge]

yeah

[ashen perch]

I lean Kid okay, thats what I meant. But its tougher to say whereas I am very sure about Kid being stronger than a younger Xebec atleast.

[raven marten]

Yes it does. It shows that loki would never get the chance to go into his dragon form if he didn’t push away a (off guarded) imu.

[wraith mantle]

At least two floors

[ashen perch]

truth supernova

[crude nebula]

Imu cant oneshot him so he can

[rose rune]

GardenMu has cultivated for years. surely he is several times stronger

[wraith mantle]

Is it safe to say prime rocks is comparable power wise to prime Whitebeard?

[deep chasm]

Okay so "ArsalWise | Year of Usopp" has Kidd over Xebec . I need to commit this conversation to memory fr

[deep chasm]

APPARENTLY NOT

[soft tangle]

What’s dat pfp

[urban lodge]

Ok but seriously since Oda is not good enough of a writer to explain anything there my headcanon is he didn't want to destroy the flower room

[crude nebula]

Its safe to say prime wb no diffs rocks

[rose rune]

metropolis

[ashen perch]

Also I guess on the admiral question, thats an even bigger evil underneath the debate... I dont see the admirals as these mega unbeatable gods or something

[brittle basin]

i assume WB at his prime was stronger than Rocks at his prime. But this answer is completely emotional 'cause I like WB more.

[ashen perch]

no youre just right

[hasty sable]

Admirals are comparable to Sabaody trio imo

[ashen perch]

WB was clashing with Domi Reversi Xebec at a much much younger age than his prime

[raven marten]

He was laying/sitting on the floor. Imu could have taken that chance to end him with a final blow since he would be unable to defend himself.

[brittle basin]

Also, was GV Rocks at his prime, or before Rocks could achieve his prime?

[soft tangle]

Thanks

[rose rune]

np

[wraith mantle]

Bruh

[brittle basin]

I guess narratively, it's more satisfying if Rocks died at his prime?

[muted hedge]

i'd say that was him at his prime since he always seemed a bit older than Roger and Garp to me

[ashen perch]

well you know, if someone just dies

that right there is their prime

[deep chasm]

I agree and Loki is beating an admiral I fear

[brittle basin]

oh wait

[ashen perch]

that was Prime Xebec

[golden valley]

Well the narrative doesn’t paint them as such

The fact is

Rocks faced one

[rose rune]

prime xebec with domi boost

[brittle basin]

well i'm defining prime as "the strongest this character will ever be in their life"

[golden valley]

With minor injuries and then clashed with Harald

[brittle basin]

so luffy dying at 15 is not prime luffy

[crude nebula]

We both know hybrid is gonna neg diff Imu anyway

[wraith mantle]

That’s a decent headcanon
But seeing how angry Imu gets when his ancient opps get mentioned
It’s safer to assume he attacked

[deep chasm]

where was this kid and law glaze when we needed it

[ashen perch]

Oh sorry I got distracted, I was gonna say that I think the Worstgen trio take out the admirals too, Sakazuki an exception to this though

[wraith mantle]

[rose rune]

I wonder if I will ever reach my prime, or if that was several years ago

[raven marten]

Just be quiet

[deep chasm]

with minor injuries?

[golden valley]

In a 1v1?

With minor injuries?

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[crude nebula]

No i tell you when to stay quiet

[deep chasm]

like Kidd vs Fuji rn Kidd comes out with minor injuries

[raven marten]

Prime rocks is stronger then prime whitebeard leave it at that

[ashen perch]

I mean Luffy did really get minor injuries in Egghead...

I know, time limit and all

[golden valley]

Because no one coukd actually dmg him

Luffy

[deep chasm]

yea but thats luffy and he had people giving him food and whatnot

[golden valley]

Who’s stronger than Kidd

[deep chasm]

most of all , its luffy, hes stronger than the other 2

[rose rune]

you know what. I'm still quite physical despite what the amount of time I spend in discord says

[deep chasm]

Kid beating fuji and leaving with only minor injuries?

[ashen perch]

no but he did knock down an admiral with very negligible injuries, I am sure if he didnt go down, he could have gone all the way through

[golden valley]

Kidd isn’t luffy

Law isn’t luffy

[deep chasm]

Okay can we just eliminate luffy

[golden valley]

This comparison is null

[deep chasm]

like the whole issue here is law and kid lol

[ashen perch]

I dont think theres a significant gap between Law/Kid and Luffy

[hasty sable]

Maybe 4 times out of 10

[deep chasm]

it only gets worse

[golden valley]

In a 1v1, they lose to G5

[ashen perch]

I see no reason to think so

[soft tangle]

Law and kidd ain’t clashing with this

[golden valley]

Mid diff

[hasty sable]

Or 50-50

[golden valley]

At worse

[deep chasm]

well hold on yes they are

thats just g3 dawg

[ashen perch]

they have not faced the same opponents with the same powerups for there to be a point of comparison here

[deep chasm]

but they are obviously a step below luffy

[hasty sable]

Oda didn’t give them the same bounty to say Luffy is monumentally stronger

[golden valley]

Brodie

This is also a null argument

[hasty sable]

Plus, Luffy died twice to Kaido

[golden valley]

So you’re just conceding here

[ashen perch]

I am going off portrayal here, I think they are portrayed as pretty equals

[deep chasm]

They can be a good fight for him. Theyre still getting a comfortable loss

[golden valley]

You cannot tell me how Kidd and Law are near Luffy

[hasty sable]

Doubt it would be a comfortable loss

Kid and Law can both outlast Gear 5

[golden valley]

Their portrayal ends at Wano

[deep chasm]

oh no

so wait

[hasty sable]

And they have their own power attacks

[deep chasm]

if they outlast g5

do they just win

I assume luffy doesnt have a stache of food in this 1v1

[wraith mantle]

Yall think law or Kidd can defeat kaido?

[ashen perch]

not at all

Luffy cannot defeat Kaido either

[hasty sable]

No, but neither can Luffy in one try

[urban lodge]

I think together they still lose

[royal orchid]

is this a Gear 5 > XYZ > Luffy convo

[golden valley]

We know in a direct fight, Law nor Kidd can take Big Mom at her strongest

[hasty sable]

Luffy died. Two times lol.

[maiden saffron]

Luffy cant beat kaido either

[golden valley]

Luffy can take Kaido in a direct fight

[maiden saffron]

in a 1v1, right now

fresh

[wraith mantle]

Really? I think current Luffy can beat kaido in 1v1

[maiden saffron]

Kaido beats him

imo

[hasty sable]

Not a chance imo

[wraith mantle]

That’s how strong Luffy has gotten

[dark nymph]

crazy how this is a hot take

[deep chasm]

wait answer if they outlast g5 do they just beat luffy

[hasty sable]

Kaido was already getting weaker before Gear 5

[wraith mantle]

That’s why he’s an emperor and they are not

[hasty sable]

Depends if Luffy runs and eats

If you count that as a win

[deep chasm]

assume there is no food available. He also cannot really run when he is out of g5

[deep chasm]

would you not?

[wraith mantle]

Also I thought bean debunked the gear 5 time limit

[deep chasm]

he cant use g5, he's pretty much immobile

[ashen perch]

Kid literally did 1v1 her for some time until Law got there, then Law 1v1-ed her for some time when Kid was dealing with the Hawkins shenanigans. Both were also nerfed harder than the fresh BM was.

[hasty sable]

If he has no access to food I think they have a better chance of winning than losing yeah

[deep chasm]

what stops law and kid from winning now

[deep chasm]

ok so law and kid are stronger than luffy

[hasty sable]

That’s if Luffy hits the gas hard with Gear 5

[deep chasm]

which he often does

[hasty sable]

I do count it as a win because pirates don’t play by the rules

[urban lodge]

Does he need gear 5 to win?

[deep chasm]

so Law>luffy?

[hasty sable]

It’s a legitimate strategy for Luffy and he’s never won a fight without having to run and eat

In the new world

[wraith mantle]

I feel like Luffy is on a league of his own
Awakened god fruit and mastery of ACoC

It’s truly unfair to call the gap between him and kid small

[ashen perch]

so I assume that a Law/Kid v Luffy fight would actually involve him using everything, including what he did against Kaido to keep going even at the cost of his life

[hasty sable]

Law and Kid can outlast Gear 4 and 5

[deep chasm]

sounds like you think they're stronger than luffy then, thats new

[maiden saffron]

He's an entry level emperor yeah, he's stronger than most people but Kaido is different

[hasty sable]

Luffy’s only chance is ending them before that. And they have crazy endurance.

[golden valley]

1.) Holding back BM, so moot.
2.) Holding back BM and that “1v1” was short with Kidd being in and out in the fight and Law getting tagged.
3.) Them being nerfed from dmg doesn’t even change anything because they still struggled with a holding back BM and were LOSING in a direct fight until they pulled out their awakenings and explicitly offguarding her

[maiden saffron]

I'm still not convinced that Luffy beats kaido if they're both in a 1v1 with no external factors

[deep chasm]

Id say
Luffy vs Kid or Law 1v1 is a hard battle for luffy, but luffy comfortably wins in the end.
in a 2v1 they'd beat him

[hasty sable]

Under certain conditions they can win with high difficulty. I think they’re all pretty equal.

[wraith mantle]

I think he can, his gear 5 abilities are just such an insane power up

[soft tangle]

fighting Big Mom was their best representation, correct?

[dark nymph]

Kaido outlasts g5 3 times over lol

[royal orchid]

kaido wins because fighting him is a battle of attrition and he's made of pure tungsten

[deep chasm]

those certain conditions being the most reasonable conditions to assume for a 1v1. Also again reminder when hes out of g5, he's not particularly mbile anyway. If he has no friend to help him, he's not eating even if there is food nearby

[royal orchid]

Luffy is on a timer

[maiden saffron]

G5 doesn't last long enough to wear kaido down significantly i feel like. Kaido had sustained a lot of damage already when luffy first got G5

[prisma yacht]

Well I have them as relative

[deep chasm]

yes

[hasty sable]

I think Assign and Damned Punk combo could reasonably take out Luffy

[prisma yacht]

We have seen G5 restart his heart

[hasty sable]

Kroom or Gamma Knife could also kill Luffy

[soft tangle]

So, can you show big mom using an attack as fast as Kaidos, being clashed?

[crude nebula]

Luffy has the revive powers

[ashen perch]

But for the most of the time that Luffy goes 1v1 with Kaido, he's also holding back. Theres no difference here ultimately. Law and Kid can pull off what Luffy did in the same scenario too.

[maiden saffron]

do you mean the first time he awakens or the 2nd time where he just tells his heart to beat faster and it does (crazy ass power btw)

[hasty sable]

And neither Kid nor Law will sit and take Bajrang Gun

So yeah they can beat him a lot of the time

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-luffy-gear-5-luffy-gear-5-white-gear-5-joyboy-gif-11074505862450082218

[golden valley]

I agree, thats why Im using G5 vs Kaido as the metric and for that very reason, there is a difference

[prisma yacht]

Also i don't believe kaido wld get diffed by an attack from someone who is weaker than him

[deep chasm]

No not really. It'd be hard to show that when theres no actual way to determine the speed there anyway. But unless you think Kaido low difs big mom, we can assume the strength and powers she exerts is similar to that of kaido overall

[hasty sable]

With Gear 5 ofc luffy dominates the fight

[prisma yacht]

2nd time

[deep chasm]

Yea so you just think Kid and Law >=Luffy

[prisma yacht]

Kaghare

[hasty sable]

They’re all equal

[ashen perch]

I think Kaido was still holding himself back against G5, because he only brings out the dragon construct at the last second and then doesnt even utilize it as he could have

[prisma yacht]

Shinjo no oto

[royal orchid]

gear 5 wins against anyone if the battle lasts <10 minutes

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gear-5-gear-5-luffy-monkey-d-luffy-luffy-luffy-gear-5-white-gif-12225526310195709408

[golden valley]

Flaming Bagua is not a metric you should be using lol

[prisma yacht]

Damn man wano was so peak

[golden valley]

It would evaporate kidd and law at the same time

[hasty sable]

Kaido didn’t have to take Bajrang Gun. Plus that was a weakened Kaido.

[maiden saffron]

indeed

[ashen perch]

He wanted to take on Bajrang Gun head on, he could have gotten out of the way very easily

[soft tangle]

The way we are shown speed is by the after images of the attack as shown in Kaidos. They may be similar strength still.

[maiden saffron]

most people dont actively hate on it now

wano's legacy is so safe

[golden valley]

That changes nothing

[maiden saffron]

in 10 years people will be talking about how great of an arc this was

[deep chasm]

If character A beats character B in the most reasonable 1v1 situations, and character B only really wins with help of someone or something else. Then it seems like at best, you'd say Luffy is equal to OR WEAKER than kid and law, just say it with your chest

[prisma yacht]

So glue

[golden valley]

Flaming Bagua is Luffy intending to face Luffy’s strongest attack with his strongest attack, thats it

[ashen perch]

I imagine Law would simply cut it like he cut misery, and Kid would simply avoid it

[royal orchid]

hasn't it been 6 anyway

[hasty sable]

In that case yeah Luffy sucks and has never won an arc boss fight in the new world lol

[deep chasm]

you've seen after images since pre timeskip. Its just not really telling us much. If you think Big mom can't send out attacks to a similar speed as kaido then she wouldnt be near him in a battle

[maiden saffron]

no

[golden valley]

And why would he be able to do this

Misery isn’t on the same lvl

[ashen perch]

??

why not???

[brittle basin]

🥵

[golden valley]

Nor does she have haki defenses

[golden valley]

LOL ok

Lets start with the fact

[deep chasm]

Sure, so these are your takes. Just dont try to make it seem like this is anyone else putting this on you lol. You're saying all these things that would naturally add up to them just being equal or stronger than luffy

[ashen perch]

Law can cut anything

[golden valley]

Flaming Bagua would’ve evaporated Luffy and his fist if not for non contact

[royal orchid]

wow I brain farted it's been 3

[golden valley]

Haki is a defense

[deep chasm]

how does kid avoid this

[ashen perch]

on Kaido

[hasty sable]

If Luffy couldn’t take a timeout he would have lost to Doffy, Katakuri, and Kaido

[prisma yacht]

Bruh all these kid law talks made me excited for this trios final war dynamic

Gahdamn man

[golden valley]

It can be applied to elements

[ashen perch]

on that scale? I doubt it

[golden valley]

Plus Luffy and Kaido seemingly have a CoC clash

[golden valley]

Huh???

Why the heck not

Luffy did it

[deep chasm]

Yea, and it was fair takes to say in dressrosa he was below doffy. In wci he was below Kata. ANd currently I would say Luffy is still below Kaido. If you think he's below kid and law then thats your opinion as well

[formal wagon]

on that scale

[prisma yacht]

this scale or that

[formal wagon]

that

[prisma yacht]

[ashen perch]

Its a slow moving target, shouldn't be hard to run from it.

[golden valley]

Kidd isn’t running

[prisma yacht]

Law will just tp kid or luffy

[golden valley]

Only law can save him

Otherwise luffy is grabbing him

And not letting go

[deep chasm]

wrong one

[golden valley]

Only kidd

[golden valley]

Luffy in G5 leaks Haki

[formal wagon]

gross

[prisma yacht]

Yeah whatever

[deep chasm]

I mean is the debate currently a 1v1 or a 2v1. In a 2v1 sure I think law can just teleport them

[formal wagon]

he needs to get that shiit under control. no one wants to smell his haki

[deep chasm]

in a 1v1 Kidd is fucked

[formal wagon]

luffy is weak to cuts so law and kidd probably beat him, zoro too

[crude nebula]

Yall think luffys fruit gives a better coc boost than lokis fruit?

[deep chasm]

why did you add zoro in here

[ashen perch]

Youre right but also I dont think he was using it on the flame bagua anyways, does Kaido even know that he needs to use Haki to avoid Law's slicing attacks? He could just be caught off guard by it ofc

[deep chasm]

If Law couldnt teleport them due to haki, then chances are he doesnt need to know

[ashen perch]

he never tried

[deep chasm]

either its some passive shit, or Kaido constantly uses haki anyway

[deep chasm]

because he knows it wouldnt work?

[ashen perch]

yeah, but its not like Kaido is aware of it

[dense haven]

arsal do you think kid can beat dragon

[ashen perch]

why would the flaming bagua have a passive haki to it?

[deep chasm]

and Im explainign that he doesnt need to be aware of it

[ashen perch]

its just a construct of flames

[deep chasm]

the same way kaido didnt need to be aware of it to not be teleported

he wouldnt need to be aware to not be sliced

[ashen perch]

he would need to be aware to coat the flaming bagua though

[golden valley]

Kaido was passively using Haki to block powers, so Kaido’s awareness wouldn’t matter and lets say Law uses amputate, cuts the flame, okay nice, Kaido makes it again and imbues Haki with it

[deep chasm]

no he wouldnt if he's constantly using it, or its a passive thing

if hes been using it constasntly to the point Law knew there was no opportunity in the whole fight to use the teleportation, same applies to the slicing

[ashen perch]

I dont think the flames he produces have a passive haki to it, thats not how haki works

[deep chasm]

unless you think he cant apply haki to his magma dragon, then it would work the same way

[ashen perch]

his body will be immune to being severed, not his flaming bagua

[deep chasm]

I dont even know why this is still going tbh. Convo shouldve ended when we discovered the dreaded "Kid>Xebec"

[soft tangle]

How is it not telling us much? It shows the character is attacking so fast, that it looks like multiple attacks are being sent at once.
I said Big Mom and Kaido were near strength, not close in battle too.

[ashen perch]

I mean we shouldnt even get into Kid v Kaido, I was just saying that he could do well too like Luffy

[golden valley]

I dont even think Law or Kidd beat a single Admiral 1v1

[ashen perch]

this was about Luffy v Kid

[golden valley]

It actually started with Kidd/Law vs an Admiral

[ashen perch]

which I think is extreme diff

[deep chasm]

So if I show you luffy from chapter 200 using an attack where it looks like multiple attacks at once, will you say it was similar speed to this attack?

[ashen perch]

yeah I know, but Luffy v Kid is more important to that

[hearty shore]

kid should learn a lesson or two from magneto

[ashen perch]

than Kid v Kaido

[hearty shore]

pull ts blood

[golden valley]

Kay, well either way, I think its mid diff in G5

[ashen perch]

I actually think Kaido takes on two admirals but the world isnt ready to hear that yet

[golden valley]

Uhhhh

I mean

[prisma yacht]

Guys

[golden valley]

I think it depends on the admiral

[ashen perch]

with that ease

[prisma yacht]

Guys I saw this fucking amazing art on Instagram

[golden valley]

And its not because of strength necessarily

Greenbull does bad against Flaming Bagua

[deep chasm]

that is genuinely 100x more reasonable than takes such as Luffy not being noticeably above kid/law or kid>xebec etc

[golden valley]

I dont see how he’d be useful

[prisma yacht]

Holy fucking shit bro this literally made me tear up

[golden valley]

Kizaru and Fujitora? They are beating Kaido

[prisma yacht]

It was captioned as garp the terrible and his grandson

[ashen perch]

I really dont think any of the admirals are significantly stronger than the other, Sakazuki will be the exception to this though

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-crying-tears-silvers-rayleigh-gif-16468393557576367724

[golden valley]

Sure

[ashen perch]

Fujitora/GB are just underrated for no real reason imo

[golden valley]

Yeah

[hearty shore]

bro folds kuzan btw

[prisma yacht]

Stupid ass powerscaling

[ashen perch]

I think they are just as strong as the OGs, and Sakazuki has just gotten stronger ever since then

[hearty shore]

but as u can see, sakazuki is fire/ground so he's gonna mop the floor with kid

[deep chasm]

I think Law and Kid have reached admiral level. But they're also still noticeably below luffy in 1v1s

they're at the bottom of that list and apparently xebec could pretty comfortably beat an admiral

[soft tangle]

This statement is so disingenuous lmao. Obviously wouldn’t be the same since we are being shown that specific characters attack in that moment in the story. It’s a way of story telling.
Unless you can prove that attack is on tier with Luffy fighting kaido 😂

[brittle basin]

that quote is still incredible

[fast pagoda]

"You're not just fighting me... you're fighting us."

https://tenor.com/view/streaming-streamer-stream-aura-aura-farming-gif-15624642990981756587

[hearty shore]

GPTslop quote

[ashen perch]

yo what is that below

[deep chasm]

The point is that all the visual effect tells you, is that Oda wants to show you the attack is fast. It gives you no actual clue as to how fast the attack is. There is no metric to be used there

[fast pagoda]

The Tobi Roppo

[ashen perch]

wait was the masked luchador always there

[fast pagoda]

No

Im sorry this was the first gif that comes up

[ashen perch]

a lot going on in the gif

lmao

[rose rune]

this is the kind of fan art I want more of. less of the fancy pants artists making people look cool

[soft tangle]

It is a metric since Big Mom never used one. The entire point of this, since she showed the best out of Law and Kidd.

[hearty shore]

and kaido is dragon/normal so his attacks aren't that strong against kid

[prisma yacht]

So glue thigh

[ashen perch]

well I agree that they are slightly weaker atleast

[deep chasm]

Okay, so is big moms attacks slower than luffys from chapter 200

and if not, then its not a metric

[soft tangle]

If you are saying Oda is a bad writer yeah

[deep chasm]

I dont see how that correlates. But sounds like you're saying yes

[soft tangle]

No

[golden valley]

We really need a chapter

[deep chasm]

then answer more appropriately

If it were a metric. You could say "x characters made afterimages, therefore it is faster than y characters who didn't". In that case. you'll have to tell me luffy or whoever else from chapter 200 is attacking faster than big mom. If not, then its not a metric

[fast pagoda]

If Oda was a good writer Kaido would get pregnant and tell Luffy "You're not just fighting me... you're fighting us."

[prisma yacht]

Bruh the way he is holding ace

[deep chasm]

lets just make this into a pokemon server

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-cut-the-cameras-oh-gif-14660544808882242526

[deep chasm]

pokemon game>one piece manga

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tinglu-ting-lu-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-ruinous-gif-11738597909557177658

[uncut agate]

Maybe if you could read you wouldn't think that

[grand flower]

Talk to these niggas

[prisma yacht]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2054991598371643604

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FixupX · May 14, 2026, 6:25 PM

[deep chasm]

sounds like you just suck at pokemon

[hearty shore]

the tongue trio

[uncut agate]

You suck at pokemon and reading what would you know?

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

[fast pagoda]

Vegapunk and Peropsero are gonna jump off a cliff now

[deep chasm]

name the best starter

[ashen perch]

Graymu my beloved https://x.com/peachmichea/status/2055025818426863833?s=20

peachmichea ★ commission open (@peachmichea)

imu descends #onepiece

X · May 14, 2026, 8:41 PM

[uncut agate]

You know Smogon has a server right?

[prisma yacht]

His comment was sarcastic

[soft tangle]

Stop being disingenuous or I’ll be taking my leave.
You are saying,
“After image = same speed no matter where in the story”
This is taking the context out of the story. Pre time skip Lucci is not going to match Big Mom. This is just showing in that moment, that Lucci was fast.

If Big Mom could do the same as Kaido, it would have been showed.

[uncut agate]

I mean if you actually cared about pokemon

[uncut agate]

You clearly didn't read what I said

[deep chasm]

No, I did not say that. You just dont understand what Im telling you. You could not screenshot where I said that. hwat Im telling you is that an afterimage is not an actual metric by which you can rate speed in the story. An afterimage is a visual effect to express hey this person is attacking fast. it doesnt tell you how fast. So its not a metric

[royal orchid]

I like graymu

[fast pagoda]

I fixed the gif

[royal orchid]

redmu is cooler but graymu is cool

[fast pagoda]

He looks so dastardly here

[urban lodge]

Redmu is not cooler

[soft tangle]

In that moment of the story, it is a metric.

[fast pagoda]

Rainbowmu

[deep chasm]

And because its not a metric, theres rlly no point in what youre asking me. I already said I couldn't show you Big mom doing an afterimage attack like that. Maybe she has a panel like that, but I wouldnt know because its not that relevant

[prisma yacht]

It's bcs I can't read

[fast pagoda]

I really dislike the red and gold combo people give him

It makes him look like a deep dish pizza

[urban lodge]

Lmao

Yeah I'm not a fan either

Greymu is best Mu

[deep chasm]

No its not. It is never a metric. You'd then have to determine where the cutoff is. Does an afterimage count as a metric for the past 5 chapters? 1 chapter? arc? Its just not a metric and thats what you need to get

[fast pagoda]

I think if its a lighter red with white tattoos it might work

[royal orchid]

this red

not red red

[urban lodge]

That would work better

[trim lily]

i can’t believe oda copied deadlock

[urban lodge]

But Greymu still solos

[formal wagon]

overwatch

[royal orchid]

why is Apollo fighting in the ritual in deadlock

[trim lily]

fun

[fast pagoda]

Greymu or Brownmu all the way

[rose rune]

more red mu haters? nice

[royal orchid]

here's Apollo's story in 60 seconds

[brittle basin]

cyndaquil

[formal wagon]

why is winston fighting in the ritual in bloodlocke

[trim lily]

i feel like red is nigh guaranteed

given all the devil imagery

[rose rune]

vaporeon

[formal wagon]

why is winston fighting in the guilty gear in the nuzlocke

[ashen perch]

I think the best red is Oars red

[royal orchid]

larp

[deep chasm]

not even the best in his generation 🥀

[trim lily]

isn’t oars like pink

[brittle basin]

he's cute. i win.

[formal wagon]

why is winston fighting in the 22nd world tournament in overwatch

why is winston lost on the island in john locke

[royal orchid]

what is mailbox talking about

[soft tangle]

The Yonko, using one of the heaviest weapons in the series so far to that point, causing afterimages, is a metric to how fast he is.

[brittle basin]

Winton

[ashen perch]

eh he's a lighter shade of red

[trim lily]

glorpmu

[formal wagon]

hmmmmm

hmmmm

[ashen perch]

not quite pink

[ashen perch]

I like it

[trim lily]

imu would be a better character if he was green

[hearty shore]

wait really? i posted that as a joke

[fast pagoda]

Yeah it has to be a light red to look good

Oda usually doesn't do deep/dark colors anyways

[deep chasm]

It means its fast. It doesnt tell you how fast. You would never be able to quantify that. And if it were a metric, you'd be able to idk bet on who in the arc has done after images. But you cant, you'd have no clue off the top of your head who has and hasnt. Its just not a metric and never would be

[ashen perch]

yeah I do like the unconvential color schemes for Imu

I think it would be cool if he looked alien

[prisma yacht]

It's inspired from this

[rose rune]

wow... art spoilers

[royal orchid]

I love Ivan the terrible and his son Ivan

[hearty shore]

hey isn't this a spoiler for people who read history books?

[prisma yacht]

Ivan the terrible and his son ivan

[royal orchid]

there's people still in mesopotamia arc

[formal wagon]

you think he said "whoops" after this

[prisma yacht]

Nah mailbox I don't think so

[formal wagon]

what about "did i just do that?"

"takebacksies?"

"uh lets start over"

[royal orchid]

guys can we do a retake

[ashen perch]

Putting aside my graymu preference, this is definitely the most likely color scheme for Imu

I do love this too

[urban lodge]

Too fleshy

[prisma yacht]

I'm so sad bruh the way he is holding ace "oh my poor boy why did it have to be this way curse you"

[urban lodge]

At least make it a darker shade

[formal wagon]

imu doesnt have stitches and he's not as tall as oars

[iron oriole]

i think the red for Youpi from HxH is a good red

[soft tangle]

So the yonko using one of the heaviest weapons fast enough that it created afterimages, won’t be a metric of how fast the attack was? Clashing with gear 3 Luffy must be SO easy then.

[ashen perch]

uh he is as tall

smh

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/youpi-menthuthuyoupi-hxh-hunter-x-hunter-gif-18263587303173616760

[ashen perch]

darker looks more off to me

[iron oriole]

this red

[soft tangle]

Same tier feat

[royal orchid]

big flesh zombie giant

[ashen perch]

I have not been keeping up with that conversation but there is no context that could possibly make that sound less ridiculous

[soft tangle]

This is his argument

[deep chasm]

Correct, because all this tells you is that the yonko is "fast". I think you just need to understand what the word "metric" means. It not being a metric doesnt mean its not an indication he's moving fast. It not being a metric means you can't measure it. You cant take another attack, see that it doesnt have afterimages, and guarantee that attack is slower

[deep chasm]

Why are you lying now. Ive already clarififed for you thats not the point

[uncut agate]

Imagine letting a helper convolute the topic so much you get lost in the sauce

Smh my head

[formal wagon]

imagining

[soft tangle]

We can measure the attack because of how heavy the weapon is. Pre time skip Zoro is not going to be clashing with Hybrid Kaido.

An attack not having afterimages just shows it wasn’t an attack from multiple directions.

[deep chasm]

How heavy is the weapon? How fast is he swinging it? Measure it for me

[red lagoon]

We weighing the weapons niggas use now

[deep chasm]

apparently

[red lagoon]

At what point has ts gone too far

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-rononora-zoro-one-piece-practice-gif-14578557

[formal wagon]

1/8th the weight of the climatact

[past flax]

Y'all need to stop debating with laww cause bro pulls these out like trap cards

[formal wagon]

theres evidence fot this

[soft tangle]

Isn’t there an SBS about his weapon

[iron oriole]

Is Kaido's kanabo heavier than this?

[royal orchid]

honestly I think not

but it's like a gag Zoro moment

[formal wagon]

wtf why does he have light weights at the bottom and the top is that normal?

[iron oriole]

[prisma yacht]

Slurp slurp

So uh... slurp...you were saying

Slurp slurp

burp

what was that

[digital spear]

slurp

[royal orchid]

those are probably wood weight locks

[warm falcon]

Ohio

[formal wagon]

💀

[prisma yacht]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2054914600580370919

🃏🥦toma4🥦🃏COMMS OPEN (@ItsTom06331391)

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FixupX · May 14, 2026, 1:19 PM

porche and bm

[iron oriole]

Weird combo

[warm falcon]

Some mod can ban me? I need tô study for 3 tests

[prisma yacht]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2054977540024852943

elipri ☆ eli/エーリ (@Zwiebelfee)

Some more frames or whatever 🚬

Quoting elipri ☆ eli/エーリ (@Zwiebelfee)
︀
I think imma revisit this one soon bc I'm #GoingThroughIt myself now so might as well use that as a fuel for character acting lmao

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FixupX · May 14, 2026, 5:29 PM

[urban lodge]

Don't follow Meek's example

[prisma yacht]

Peak

[urban lodge]

You can leave

[prisma yacht]

Get to the gulag instead

[urban lodge]

Or delete discord temporarily

[prisma yacht]

Take the green card cristie

[hazy turret]

What do you study

[digital spear]

My favorite duo

[hazy turret]

Who is porche

[digital spear]

Foxys hot gf

[prisma yacht]

Thigh will be disappointed

This is me i can't sleep

[hazy turret]

Oh

[ashen perch]

GOLD USOPP AGAIN

[final trench]

Peak

[hazy turret]

WHAT ?!?!

Omg

[final trench]

I got the 🐐

[hazy turret]

That’s so

LAME

I DONT CARE

[ashen perch]

this is why I think we need to unban kay why ess

[final trench]

No usopp disrespect

[grand flower]

Fuck what them nerds was arguing about check this out

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/usopp-usopp-hammer-5-ton-hammer-one-piece-gif-3778087927203761803

[urban lodge]

To think of the golden Ragnirs that never were...

[hearty shore]

emm akshually boner didn't mean boner

back then at least

[hazy turret]

Delete this, stop trying to get around the filter buddy

[grand flower]

You know all about boners?

[ruby cape]

hello

[brittle basin]

please tell me this is real

[ruby cape]

time. To vote

[brittle basin]

what did "boner" mean in that context back then?

[grand flower]

Hell yeah I’ll tell you that

[rose rune]

I am disappointed

[digital spear]

Silver at least

[hazy turret]

I’m sorry I remember her as miss Father’s Day

[prisma yacht]

Lately my feed is full of uta x Luffy ship

[ashen perch]

atleast I didnt tell you to unalive yourself

[hazy turret]

Wtf how come I never get that

[digital spear]

Of course you read this Cockshuron

[urban lodge]

This is why I knew Uta would be top 10

[hazy turret]

I’m obviously Kuma here

[grand flower]

I had to encounter it

[rose rune]

now I am even more disappointed

[prisma yacht]

Laugh at my boner

[ashen perch]

I am okay with being Moria

[ashen perch]

⁉️

[hazy turret]

I’m sorry things haven’t been the same since the accident

[digital spear]

Dont tell people that

[hazy turret]

what is her name

[rose rune]

you mixed up two of my honey booboos

[digital spear]

I guess u will have to draw her now

[hazy turret]

Who the hell is Father’s Day then

Is she not frog lady

[rose rune]

that's the frog girl from baroque

[prisma yacht]

The next is

I'll show them

[digital spear]

isnt today fathers day

[digital spear]

yes

[prisma yacht]

I'm crine

[hazy turret]

[ashen perch]

shes the one who was there to launch the nuke on Alubarna

[hazy turret]

Ohhhhh porche is the girl with the mask

[ashen perch]

her and Mr.7

[past flax]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[ashen perch]

Porche is the masked girl who loved Chopper

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-one-piece-foxy-pirates-porche-porsche-gif-20168184

[hazy turret]

The one that tries to kill chopper in the opening

Yeah

[rose rune]

you doing my wives dirty like that

[prisma yacht]

lol

[ashen perch]

wow, 2 nami clones

[past flax]

Miss father's day

[hazy turret]

I have to kill myself to atone for my sins

[ashen perch]

Green Masked Nami, Frog Nami

[rose rune]

I demand it

[past flax]

Arsal saying that while Oda is turning Robin into Nami every arc

[hazy turret]

Because you’re a big nasty obese fat lardass like him?

[past flax]

LETS GO

[grand flower]

Uh excuse me, you can’t just throw away one of my souls like that

[ashen perch]

no he isnt lol

[grand flower]

I worked very hard to make yours

[past flax]

Also thanks for giving me your location YC

[ashen perch]

look buddy, Kuma's not exactly rocking an hourglass here

[grand flower]

Hold up

[hazy turret]

Loki smokes?????

[grand flower]

Kuma is JACKED

He’s SWOLE

He’s BROLIC

[hazy turret]

He literal has an eight pack (just like me)

[formal wagon]

is there evidence for this or....

[past flax]

That lol tells me that ticked you off there arsal, have I gotten under your skin perhaps :)

[hazy turret]

Skon 😭😭😭😭

[digital spear]

Bro you scared me for a sec but its just because its german right?

[ashen perch]

well its not like we have seen Moria without his outfit

[grand flower]

Eight packs of oreos I bet

[soft tangle]

I already measured it. It’s one of the heaviest in the series. Mostly giant size or 20FT+ characters have had similar weapons. He’d have be a crazy strong character to swing it fast enough to make afterimages, which is why he’s a Yonko.
You are being purposely disingenuous, so I won’t be interacting anymore. Someone like you knows how crazy fast Kaido is. You know throughout Wano, that a point was made that he is using a heavy solid club with spikes with ease. If you can’t prove law and kidd could clash with the initial attack, dont waste my time.

[rose rune]

never forget the arsal moria fan art incident

[digital spear]

I thought I leaked my address or something

[past flax]

LOL YEAH MY BAD YC

[hazy turret]

And a glass of milk thank you very much

[formal wagon]

what sound does a donkey make

[hazy turret]

Y-yeah the arsal fanart incident

[grand flower]

I leak in a dress too

[formal wagon]

feet

[ashen perch]

perhaps

[formal wagon]

or was it hair

[hearty shore]

if you want to feel better about yourself, some people genuinely screenshot their doordash/any delivery app order and post it online

[rose rune]

did you forget?

[hazy turret]

Oh was his beer belly not enough?

[hasty sable]

So anyway yeah Kid and Law do beat Luffy under the right conditions

[grand flower]

One glass of milk for eight packs of oreos is diabolical

[past flax]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-coin-joe-coin-emotiguy-emoti-guy-gif-5950636071310089815

[deep chasm]

Yea so we've determined kaido is crazy strong and fast. What does that tell me about how fast that attack was in comparison to some of Big moms attacks?

[ashen perch]

I dont like hearing that entirely inaccurate take at all, I have fought it many times. Its a larper take, its a larp larp larp sahur take.

[past flax]

Do not talk about that in my presence

[final trench]

The WHAT

[hazy turret]

I’m lactose intolerant

[ashen perch]

all muscle underneath

[grand flower]

I’m lack hoes intolerant

[rose rune]

it was funny tho, you gotta admit

[prisma yacht]

Bro said larp larp sahur