also-manga

[odd rune]

or i guess he was talking about the holy knights

and elbaf is unaffiliated

[outer hound]

🥹

[odd rune]

so hes like oh theyre coming after unaffiliated countries now

[outer hound]

he's a unc

[iron oriole]

Ehh they were doing that anyway

Gaban was literally on GV

An unaffiliated country that they just claimed rights to

[outer hound]

this is one piece version of doomerposting i guess

[golden jacinth]

!kaideux

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1021911533971849267/1133847093446971574/sacrebleu.mp4

[outer hound]

all blue is shit, sanji should go find the sacre blue !

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/steppenläufer-tumbleweed-windy-gif-12143667

[graceful belfry]

Thank you brudda

[grand flower]

✊

[hazy turret]

rei birthday?

happy birthday unc!

[prisma yacht]

Uncsome

[urban lodge]

Happy birthday Rei

[restive lintel]

nahhhhhhhhh

Dragon shouldnt be any god

dragon is a revolutionary

[hazy turret]

sorry kid, its god piece now

[restive lintel]

god piece isnt an issue

just keep the gods paired with the right characters

[hazy turret]

idk man

it seems like in order to be among the strongest you need a god fruit

[restive lintel]

also Zaza being a goddess

[golden jacinth]

Dragon has either a wind logia or a weather paramecia or just uses dragon claw fist

[grand flower]

nah look at shanks and mihawk

[golden jacinth]

Pure haki with dragon claw fist 🔥🔥

[hazy turret]

shanks is a literal "god"

[restive lintel]

her current incarnation will be a girl too

[grand flower]

friend, i implore you to stop

put the crack down

[hazy turret]

wasnt Poseidon a dude

[hazy turret]

never

[vernal ravine]

wait for shanks sword to have the mythical gryphon fruit and mihawk to be a nerona descendant

[restive lintel]

Poseidon is shira

[golden jacinth]

Original

[vestal mural]

Oh no. The story that’s all about devil fruits involves devil fruits in its end game. The horror

[grand flower]

fuck you're righ

t

[grand flower]

i mean, that's not what rokaya said

[restive lintel]

original gods and one piece gods are different

[grand flower]

it's that even among devil fruits, it needs to be some god type to be at the top

[hazy turret]

mip is a hater, ignore him

[grand flower]

you got it gang

[vestal mural]

And?

[restive lintel]

depends on what oda says about the former poseidon during void century

[hazy turret]

i will not be baited

[golden jacinth]

The original in op

[golden jacinth]

Yeah

[distant vine]

I dont like the idea of making Chopper a god

[golden jacinth]

Original poseidon will be a female probably

[distant vine]

Ive seen people bring it up

[hazy turret]

yeah i just mean its possible for the incarnation of a past figure to be the opposite sex

[distant vine]

If he has parallels to one thats okay, but not an actual in verse god

[restive lintel]

Previous Zaza was Lily

now its Vivi

[final trench]

Unless oda does some shit where he does just have a human fruit, and the embodiment of a humans will is able to disperse demons

You’re cooked man

[golden jacinth]

Yeah if vivi is zaza then lili was too

[final trench]

Or, if we still stayin true to domi reversi

Maybe Imu chose chopper to be the white chips since he’s the “weakest”

[grand flower]

I think it might be moreso related to what they said about a mushroom that could cure anything

Chopper's fruit ended up being shaped like a mushroom

[final trench]

Thats a fact

And he gave hiriluk the wrong mushroom

[grand flower]

I do think the power of humanity can somehow expel the demon shit

[final trench]

But yea its either the will of humans or he’s player 2

[iron oriole]

it should be the rumble balls that changed something within Chopper allowing him to do it

[distant vine]

When Franky and Chopper exit the arc being 60% Zoro's level

[analog gorge]

did you know what oda said

[iron oriole]

let Choppers hard work in creating the rumble balls be why he's able to do it, rather than "he just ate a special DF"

[golden jacinth]

!zolo

[tropic nova]

“Zolo winz!!!!” -Eiichiro Oda, Jump New Years conference (January 2nd 2005)

[final trench]

What did he win

[analog gorge]

he said that there will a big haki upgrade for luffy that makes him surpass even roger

[stone terrace]

frfr

[distant vine]

Bro did NOT SAY THAT LMAO

[golden jacinth]

Popularity polls

[analog gorge]

ya he did

i bet it

[final trench]

Ok nomore internet for you

[final trench]

Damn

[vestal mural]

I mean that would be cool if the mushroom he sought out ends up being his fruit and he’s the manifestation of this cure all. But I also think that there’s some haki thing going on here. Chopper chasing gaban to see how he hurt the holy knights still hasn’t been resolved if I’m not mistaken

[final trench]

Yup

And chopper was skywalking while he caught gaban

And luffy only sensed chopper

[vestal mural]

Elbaf is choppy’s arc

[analog gorge]

are you thalking to me

[final trench]

Triple awakening otw

Robin chopper and brook all about to awaken

[hardy stratus]

Mid piece anyway who cares

💤

[analog gorge]

but robin alrady awakend duh

[dense reef]

Why do you hate Naruto?

[vestal mural]

Goro go die

[hardy stratus]

Cuz its a mid ahh Chinese cartoon

[vestal mural]

Racism in manga chat

[hardy stratus]

Just like OP

[golden jacinth]

I thought the answer was ||cuz its shit||

[hardy stratus]

so just your usual also-manga hour

[vestal mural]

I wouldn’t know I haven’t hung out here in like 3 years or so

Maybe 4 even

[hardy stratus]

It's actually the greatest of all time but still a chonefse cartoon

Chinese*

[grand flower]

I do think Chopper experienced a Haki bloom at that moment tbh

[golden jacinth]

Go bet on rcb kkr

[hardy stratus]

I just returned back from marriage

[grand flower]

share?

[hardy stratus]

Ain't no way I am betting or even watching shit today

[prisma yacht]

Did u read it

[hardy stratus]

Hmm?

Ye just now

[grand flower]

oh wait

is back from marriage the name of a series?

[hardy stratus]

No

[prisma yacht]

😭

[grand flower]

so you do have a wife

[vestal mural]

He attended a wedding lmao

[hardy stratus]

I am back from my cousins marriage

Anyway

• Vegapunk's statement is really interesting. Doesn't seem like a red herring
• all Skypiea gods seem to be important
• Zoro/Sanji bromance lets go
• Rain god being their biggest fear huh
• Ragnir being a DF is a BIG L

[hasty sable]

Why do you hate Naruto

[hardy stratus]

Cuz its a mid ahh Chinese cartoon

[grand flower]

thats gotta be some form of racist

[hardy stratus]

It's just the meme man...

[hasty sable]

Disappointed I thought by your username you’d have a cooler answer

[hardy stratus]

Archer its Goro.

[rain cedar]

What else was Ragnir supposed to be

[prisma yacht]

Midruto

[hasty sable]

Woro

[vestal mural]

What’s wrong with ragnir?

[hardy stratus]

Naruto's like my top 4 stuff

[prisma yacht]

I like it this way

Mythical piece for the win

[hardy stratus]

I wanted it to be something preceding DFs

Personally

[rain cedar]

Can't believe we didn't get an actual magic squirrel smh

[vestal mural]

Eh

[alpine trench]

hammer that ate a fruit is tough

[hardy stratus]

I want anything from pre VC to be something that's beyond the normalcy of this era

I don't want Imu to have a DF

[vestal mural]

After that VP speech in egghead I don’t see much of that goro. At least in the current timeline

[vestal mural]

Well he has/is THE devil fruit

So you’ll win big or lose big there

[prisma yacht]

Ragnir is not pre vc then 😎

[hardy stratus]

I don't want to be the DF either

[hardy stratus]

it seems to be

Ragnir "betrayed"

[prisma yacht]

Oh you mean anyone who was present at that time

I thought pre vc as in pre joyboy era

[hardy stratus]

I don't want any of Gorosei stuff to be DF either

let it be some arcane shit

Tho it seems to be that there was a three dominating forces/powers?

• Hakis (Omen is ACoC)
• DFs and DF adjacent stuff
• Ancient weapons

[prisma yacht]

Gorosei might just be having special yokai boosts from imu's power

[balmy field]

why you hate naruto?

[prisma yacht]

Bcs its ass

[grand flower]

Yeah agreed on Omen

[prisma yacht]

:gigglehearts:

[hardy stratus]

Because its the greatest and I hate good things

[hardy stratus]

Yeah I stole it from you

[balmy field]

in comparison to big 3 yes its the worst

[balmy field]

cap

[hardy stratus]

Naruto > OP > Bleach

[hardy stratus]

[prisma yacht]

It's better than leach

[balmy field]

OP=>bleach>naruto dude

[prisma yacht]

Ewww

[balmy field]

fuck nah

[hardy stratus]

Ew

get good taste

[prisma yacht]

Remove that =

[hardy stratus]

And take it to os

[balmy field]

fr0sen this take makes me fucking hate you

[balmy field]

sybau

[prisma yacht]

Leach

[hardy stratus]

Imagine hating for a fucking Chinese cartoon take...

[balmy field]

https://giphy.com/gifs/disneypixar-disney-pixar-11tTNkNy1SdXGg

[balmy field]

chinese? dude now get clowned for that

[hardy stratus]

It also kinda makes sense since there are three big elements to this conflict?

Davy

joyboy

WG/Imu

[hardy stratus]

Plus I don't like the fact that animal eating DF that's such a big discovery by VP was already present in VC

I don't like the tech development progressing in same direction in same way

[vestal mural]

Didn’t VP discover feeding DFs to objects?

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

I don't like it was already present 800 years before it

[vestal mural]

Wait ragnir is a hammer that ate the squirrel fruit or other way around?

[runic dock]

Yes hammer first

[vestal mural]

Regardless, I dont see the issue. VP didn’t invent it, he discovered it

[prisma yacht]

First

[runic dock]

I mean it’s happened in this series multiple times even without VP, he didn’t invent it, he discovered it happening

The teapot tanuki happened naturally

[vestal mural]

Also that

[runic dock]

Or accidentally

Teapot tanuki in wano was a teapot first

It ate the tanuki fruit somehow

My headcanon to that which makes sense is someone found a df and thought it was a fruit , boiled it down in their own teapot to drink it

Teapot consumed it first though boiling

[hardy stratus]

I thought Tanuki Teapot was an effect of someone from outside coming to Wano

[runic dock]

Na my version makes sense lore wise since wano people also didn’t really know what df were

I don’t wanna stretch too far

[hardy stratus]

which the story would support since multiple outside dfs and people from outside came to Wano

[prisma yacht]

Damn

[hardy stratus]

I would expect a certain mechanism would be needed for objects to eat DF

and Vegapunk discovered that mechanism

[runic dock]

Nah that’s not necessarily th case

It can be as simple as boiling

And discovered accidentally

[hardy stratus]

I mean, that would be the better case for me

[runic dock]

In a wide world this should be possible

[hardy stratus]

than accidentally

Not for this case for me no

[runic dock]

That’s not a better case , it’s more convenient

[hardy stratus]

not convenient

[runic dock]

Don’t care for convenience

[hardy stratus]

It's speaks more for ingenuity of VP

[runic dock]

I like lore that fills little world , not everything packaged into neat corners

[hardy stratus]

I dont follow?

[runic dock]

Convenience

[hardy stratus]

As in?

Like teapot consuming through boiling is more convenient

Than someone discovering a certain mechanism for it

[runic dock]

No it makes sense given the lore of the wano people , it’s a stretch for me too far to say someone outside came into wano , did that one thing , left it there and left , instead of someone doing it naturally through natural discovery

There was also the bazooka dog in alabasta

VP isn’t needed here , he just discovered a method not invented a concept

[hardy stratus]

I mean, not did that one thing in Wano but brought it

[runic dock]

And of course in ancient times , people were probably more in tune with this method , or were aware of it , hell it could’ve been accidental back then too

Who really cares

[hardy stratus]

idk I care

[runic dock]

Putting too much importance on “it shouldn’t be in the past “ for nothing

[hardy stratus]

It's just boring same sort of development exist in ancient developed civilization

and in new one

[runic dock]

Not really , the fact that there could’ve been multiple methods as I suggest defeats your worry

Not boring at all

[hardy stratus]

Not really?

[outer hound]

why do u hate naruto

[hardy stratus]

It's boring for me when two civilizations proceed similarly and have similar developments
I already hate DFs being present before and its not a phenomenon happenning in last 800 or so years

[grand flower]

my influence

[hardy stratus]

It just made sense to me

also you didn't give details of it

you said you would give after embed mute is lifted

[hazy turret]

damn hes calling you chicken

[prisma yacht]

[hardy stratus]

You can spell cockshuron without spelling Chicken

[outer hound]

https://tenor.com/view/shon-son-im-crine-crying-emoji-tony-soprano-james-gandolfini-gif-14507653161593722622

[runic dock]

DF are ancient , he recreated an ancient method , what’s the big deal

It’s called lore

You
Gotta follow the trail

[hardy stratus]

I dislike DFs being present pre third world too so

[runic dock]

They were definitely invented in the second world by the mother flame technology

[grand flower]

This was all i really had for now

[hardy stratus]

Acoc not touching

[grand flower]

Imu does an untouchable blow with it

A big one

[hardy stratus]

Hmm

This interests me cuz

I would really like it if what we know of ACoC is mostly incorrect

in its cause and usage

[fervent fable]

!sakazuki

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1478656677174837399/IMG_1640.png?ex=69a931d7&is=69a7e057&hm=24f054872549887afe33613c0e5d6ccc9058af32bc4d13d07f729b90fdc945dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1325&height=536

[prisma yacht]

Acock haunter form

[runic dock]

I predict you’ll change your name to ask me why I hate one piece soon enough

[hardy stratus]

Who me?

Who cares about names Earl

[fervent fable]

Frosens been talking about cock for hours

[hardy stratus]

I used this to prove that point smh

[prisma yacht]

I like chicken

https://tenor.com/view/black-cock-cockerel-rooster-chicken-gif-16625787

[fervent fable]

Chicken chicken no mi model usopp

[rustic coral]

I just realised Bonney has the same hair color as Reiju and that's why Sanji does everything to protect her as she did for him 🥺

[fervent fable]

Nigga 😭

[rustic coral]

Wat

[prisma yacht]

Cute

[worn beacon]

Please do not use that word in this safe haven and community. You clearly have no knowledge of the hate and violence it is associated with. As a friend of many people of African descent, I would appreciate it if you, at the bare minimum deleted or edited this harmful text.

[hardy stratus]

Bruh

sanji's a good guy

That's it

[prisma yacht]

It's still cute

[rustic coral]

Yea but they have a sibling dynamic

[grand flower]

this nigga spittin

[grand flower]

sanji is proof that bonney is related to the kuja, just like the kuja are proof that sanji is related to aliens

[runic dock]

Names are everything

They’re your identity

[hardy stratus]

Meh

Idc about discord username

So the nickname bets are meh for me

It doesn't effect anything

[grand flower]

my muscles identify me

thankfully i have a name befitting them

[runic dock]

Calm down I’ve seen your same muscles on like thousands of people

So they’re all you?

[hardy stratus]

I guess I'll keep this pfp for a while still

[runic dock]

It’s a good pfp

[hardy stratus]

This pfp is pissing off people and I would like to continue to do that

[hazy turret]

my relationship with others is what defines me 🙂

[hardy stratus]

Meh

I have had good ones before this

[hazy turret]

@forest jacinth yamato or killingham, pick one

im not doing both

[hardy stratus]

Kaladin, Vash, Guts, Joe

[runic dock]

Someone is codependent

[forest jacinth]

Yamato

[hazy turret]

it takes a village as they say

we are social creatures

[hardy stratus]

It's a break week right?

[fast pagoda]

:((

[hazy turret]

you got it boss

[forest jacinth]

[forest jacinth]

It was a tough decision💔

[hazy turret]

i can do killingham for you if you want

[hardy stratus]

For?

[hazy turret]

the pretty emo boy

[hardy stratus]

I shall choose Killingham

[hazy turret]

NUNYA

[hardy stratus]

the spiky teeths are gud

[hazy turret]

nah i just took drawing reqs yesterday

[hardy stratus]

Nunya?

Ah

[grand flower]

i wager there's only one of me

[runic dock]

[runic dock]

Would you stake your life on it

[hardy stratus]

We counting parallel universes ot not

[pseudo gulch]

It's not that deep bronchoscopy 🙏 😭

[hardy stratus]

It is

Everything is Deep

https://tenor.com/view/the-deep-deep-thoughts-with-the-deep-deep-deep-thoughts-gif-4905946050090661129

[grand flower]

yeah

[runic dock]

Deep = buggy btw

[hardy stratus]

There's million parallel versions of you Shuron

[pseudo gulch]

Earl and Shuron rn

[runic dock]

Shuron your life is forfeit

[hardy stratus]

Earl had a bad OP opinion so I am supporting Shuron

😌

[runic dock]

Wrong move

[worn beacon]

Current Loki > Kaido > Pre Ragnir, Pre DF, Loki >= Ragnir

[grand flower]

smart choice

[hardy stratus]

Your fault for supporting a boring outcome

😔

[hardy stratus]

Who cares

[grand flower]

My life can't be forfeit, it has to be earned

[hardy stratus]

The one who author would want to win

That character wins

shrimple as that

[runic dock]

:(

[runic dock]

[grand flower]

i hope i'm the devil one

[runic dock]

Who would the author want to win then?

[hardy stratus]

Loki for sure

[runic dock]

No I’m the devil one

[hardy stratus]

[prisma yacht]

Larp larp sahur

[pseudo gulch]

If you prefer the devil one then you're the devil one

[pseudo gulch]

Son son son Sahur

[runic dock]

What if we both prefer

[pseudo gulch]

Too slow

You're the angel one

[runic dock]

That’s stupid I didn’t know we could pick

[pseudo gulch]

Fuck it you're the Arby's sign

[runic dock]

…

[prisma yacht]

Wld u like to draw Harald?

[formal wagon]

are you actually drawing all of them?

[fast pagoda]

Thanks

[grand flower]

would you draw hajrudin

[formal wagon]

i'd have said a better character 😢

[hazy turret]

ugh

[hazy turret]

UGH

[hazy turret]

ill try

[formal wagon]

godaspeed to you

[hazy turret]

you can change

[prisma yacht]

:<

[hazy turret]

you said carrot right? someone else alr asked for her

[prisma yacht]

I don't like that sound

[dense haven]

draw zoro and loki making out

[hazy turret]

👀

[formal wagon]

HIM OR AGEHA WOMAN

[fervent fable]

Zoro aint even the size of loki lips

[pseudo gulch]

Can you draw Usopp drawing you drawing Usopp drawing you drawing Usopp drawing you

[formal wagon]

actually no just him not ageha woman

[hardy stratus]

Based

Usopp stocks gonna go so high

Usopp season bois

[thick mango]

I worry people's expectations so high whatever usopp gets can never be enough

[hardy stratus]

Mine's not as high

cuz my expectations are made from material and not from fandom wank

[formal wagon]

usopp one shotting imu won't be enough for me

[hardy stratus]

Oda has been doing well for everything other than some worldbuilding stuff

[formal wagon]

as the one true usopp fan i need usopp to become pirate king this arc or else

[prisma yacht]

So glue

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggie-trained-dog-dog-training-dog-carry-gif-12125736216390932776

[grand flower]

why you ask for the controller if you don't want to play!!!!!

[wraith mantle]

Do you think he’s gonna get a big moment this arc?

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

[thick mango]

Depends on your definition of big but yeah

[wraith mantle]

I hope so

[tranquil blade]

This feels like something Zoro would do to train

[formal wagon]

speaking of zoro

[hardy stratus]

Good RoW nickname

[thick mango]

Arguable

[formal wagon]

he lost his eye becauses mihawk killed him and he's been a zombie the entire post time skip

[wraith mantle]

Usopp is one of them characters that when truly focused on, delivers some really good moments

[dense haven]

usopp already had his big moment

yall are so greedy

[wraith mantle]

Close to finishing part 2, good book so far

[formal wagon]

He jobbed. That's what it means to be a giant in one piece

[wraith mantle]

Water 7 level

[formal wagon]

Thats the elbaf way

[prisma yacht]

Elbaf way

[hardy stratus]

Elbaf level

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[rain cedar]

Nuh uh

[hazy turret]

im gonna do them

[thick mango]

No probably not

[hardy stratus]

100% more stronger than W7

[thick mango]

It's just the consequence of a growing story that there's less and less space for people to get focus

[hardy stratus]

1 month nickname change bet Qbz

[thick mango]

There's no way to judge

[hardy stratus]

I mean W7/EL he had like 3-4 anyway

[dense haven]

usopp fans should be banished from existence after elbaf ends and he doesnt get anything

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

[hasty sable]

More than nothing would be a good start though admittedly

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-his-greed-sickens-me-drinking-cat-milk-cat-kitty-gif-4018910397271844930

[thick mango]

Are usopps moments bigger in w7 or dressrosa? Who can say. Subjective

[hasty sable]

W7

[hazy turret]

dressrosa imo

[hardy stratus]

He's gonna have a super impactful moment for sure in EL

[thick mango]

See?

[dense haven]

w7 > dressora

[hasty sable]

Water 7 is basically Usopp’s arc for the first half of it

[prisma yacht]

Water 7

[wraith mantle]

Been a while since I read dressrosa but wasn’t he mostly comic relief

[grand flower]

which one you like better is subjective but it's objectively Dressrosa

[hazy turret]

but we're talking big moments

[grand flower]

Usopp recruited a fleet of over a thousand people

[wraith mantle]

His moment with sugar

[hardy stratus]

God Usopp
Observation haki

[grand flower]

they're an emperor crew because of the God Usopp moment

W7 isn't bigger

[wraith mantle]

Ig his observation haki moment was great but W7 is just a lot more resonant

[thick mango]

see we're pretty much split down the middle you cant bet/judge on will his elbaf moment be bigger than w7

[grand flower]

Observation Haki, his declaration when he turned back for the Tontotta, God Usopp

[hasty sable]

He fights Luffy in Water 7

[grand flower]

Getting a statue made of him

[prisma yacht]

God usopp is holy aura

[hardy stratus]

Is Egghead the only arc he didn't have a good moment on?

[grand flower]

Dressrosa Usopp is a lot more than observation Haki

[hasty sable]

Wano imo

[grand flower]

he was squared the fuck up against Saturn

[hasty sable]

He doesn’t really do anything special in Wano

[prisma yacht]

He had his moment when he saved kiku kinemom

[wraith mantle]

Elbaf so far

[grand flower]

Awful take I'm ngl. Usopp and Chopper is why the army wasn't wiped out

[prisma yacht]

can't believe I said kinemom

[grand flower]

He saved Kinemon and Kiku's lives as well

[ashen perch]

literally false

[grand flower]

Usopp sniping the lookouts also kept the raid a secret

[hardy stratus]

I think structurally Egghead was an arc which couldn't focus on anyone other than Luffy, VPs and the bigger picture

[wraith mantle]

Yeah but that’s nothing wow

[grand flower]

If he didn't do that, Kaido would have been alerted and the ambush would have failed

[hasty sable]

Those are very smal things

[tranquil blade]

Usopp has that moment where he tells Kinemon and Kiku that they're idea of running into death is wrong

[hardy stratus]

which is idk a good thing still

need variety

[wraith mantle]

That’s like, normal stuff

[grand flower]

the raid would have failed without them. There's no way to frame them as small

[dense haven]

it doesn't matter if w7 or dressrosa was bigger, will elbafs moment be bigger than both?

[formal wagon]

that moment

[dense haven]

it has to be

[hasty sable]

Whatever don’t want to argue about it

[ashen perch]

these arent small things at all, saving the lives of Kin and Kiku was a major moment for him and his role in defeating the gifters saved the raid from failing

[wraith mantle]

The raid would have failed without a lot of things

[grand flower]

What matters most here is the consequences of what Usopp did

[grand flower]

yeah that's a concept we call teamwork

[hazy turret]

im gonna have to agree with archer about usopp in wano
he did significant stuff, but it doesnt stand out compared to what everyone else was doing
but i dont really mind, everyone's role is important no matter how small

not everyone has to be the star all the time
unless youre luffy

[grand flower]

why does it need to stand out

[ashen perch]

this doesnt change anything

[grand flower]

i find that to be a very strange thing people say

[thick mango]

he doesnt need to but thats whats implied by saying 'anything special'

[hazy turret]

i didnt say it needs to

[hardy stratus]

Idk the most stand out moments in Wano was Tama and Momo

[grand flower]

why is it mentionable

is moreso what i meant

[hardy stratus]

Wasn't Luffy at all

[grand flower]

why is that remarkable when all that means is Oda made sure everybody had something important to do

[dense haven]

@hardy stratus do you think usopps moment in elbaf will be bigger than w7 and dressrosa combined

[grand flower]

Is that not literally what we should be wanting

[hazy turret]

thats sort of what we, or at least I, mean by saying someone having a big moment

[hardy stratus]

In what way

[grand flower]

I think that's a pretty bad perspective

[dense haven]

bigger = not smaller

[wraith mantle]

It’s important but it’s also small

[grand flower]

Because it means Oda has to not give other characters important moments

[wraith mantle]

Such things exist

[grand flower]

that makes no sense

if it's small, then it wasn't important

[wraith mantle]

Yes it does, happens at work all the time

[hardy stratus]

there's too many players now (epic fantasy for a reason) so not every character can do as much as they did when cast was very small in W7

[still mason]

Looking for the next God Usopp moment but I'm not sure it will happen

[hardy stratus]

but hr would have some big character defining moments for sure

[grand flower]

idk why yall can't just be glad oda makes sure everybody has important stuff to do each arc lol

[wraith mantle]

Small things need to be done, they are important but they are also small, you give em to junior employees and stuff

[grand flower]

inferior stories will have characters be wasted by having nothing to do

[ashen perch]

I think the argument on presentation is fair, but it doesn't take away from the significance of the moment at all. Oda could have highlighted in a much bigger way but he chose to make it slightly lowkey because we had a lot going on in Wano. It is what it is.

[grand flower]

OP avoids that by making sure everbody contributes

[hasty sable]

Why are you worried about what makes me glad

[grand flower]

and your takeaway is "well not it's not special"

[tranquil blade]

i feel like what people consider as a stand out moment is pretty subjective

[grand flower]

this is basically a book club

the pretense is talking about how we perceive the book

[hasty sable]

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[grand flower]

we're gathered to share our outlook on the manga

i'm discussing what you shared

[ashen perch]

Its a major and important contribution no matter how you slice it, it would be silly to say otherwise

[grand flower]

i don't think this is the right way to look at it

[wraith mantle]

Yeah
Usopp shooting the lookout isn’t a stand out moment tho

[hardy stratus]

Raid would have failed without Tama

tama MVP

[grand flower]

i don't think we should be saying usopp's Wano moments aren't big because everyone also had big moments

[hardy stratus]

where's Oli btw

[iron oriole]

what moment are we talking about?

[grand flower]

that's just writing the story well by not wasting characters

[hardy stratus]

has hr not surfaced back up

[ashen perch]

Tama could have done nothing without Usopp though

[formal wagon]

💀

[hazy turret]

if someone asks me to talk about wano, what usopp did is not going to be among the first things that i'll mention

but if you ask me about dressrosa or enies lobby

[thick mango]

big is only meaningful in a relative sense. So you can say that his moments arent as big as other moments

[ashen perch]

but thats not to downplay Tama's immense contributions though, its a team effort as Shuron put it

[wraith mantle]

When everyone else had much bigger moments, it becomes hard to appreciate what usopp had done

[hasty sable]

Usopp shot the lookout. Meanwhile all the other straw hats had battles with finishers and Chopper gets a whole chapter about saving the alliance from the oni virus.

[grand flower]

I think it makes more sense to look at usopp capturing the Mary, spreading the dango, saving Kiku and Kinemon and Tama, and sniping the lookouts as pieces of a puzzle

A puzzle wouldn't be what it is if you just yank out a bunch of pieces from the middle

[hasty sable]

Even saving Kin and Kiku shows Usopp’s bravery but it’s not a standout moment

[grand flower]

Wano wouldn't be Wano if Usopp didn't do what he did

The entire army would have died

[ashen perch]

every arc is a team effort, every conflict's success is standing on the pillars of everyone's efforts, you cannot slide out the pillar that Usopp built during Onigashima

[thick mango]

yeah but that doesnt mean you cant recognize that piece A is 5x bigger than piece B

[hazy turret]

wano wouldnt be wano if shinobu didnt do what she did

[grand flower]

Exactly

That's my point

[hasty sable]

Usopp was the most support of support characters in Wano. Which isn’t bad necessarily if that’s your thing, but it’s true he doesn’t do anything that special.

[hazy turret]

yeah but im not going to say she had a big moment in the arc

[wraith mantle]

Wano wouldn’t be wano if Luffy didn’t do what he did

[thick mango]

wano wouldnt be wano if Kaido didnt do what he did

[scenic dirge]

It’s about salience and optics ig

[wraith mantle]

Damn Luffy is as important as shinobu

[grand flower]

Why are we framing "well usopp wasn't the only one who had big moments" as though that should mean anything

[hardy stratus]

Yamato was also a bigger player than Luffy btw

[iron oriole]

Wano wouldn't be Wano if Moria didn't do what he did

[grand flower]

you guys say this, but no shinobu means no adult momo

[hazy turret]

aight buddy

[grand flower]

no adult momo means Onigashima falls and blows up, killing everybody

[hardy stratus]

if Yamato wasn't there, Fraudfy would have been just eating while Kaido would kill everyone

[ashen perch]

Shinobu ofc had a pretty major contribution too, she saved Momo's life and then turned him into an adult, which saved everyone's lives on Onigashima

[grand flower]

You guys really need to think of this more as "Oda makes everybody important and that's what a good writer is supposed to do"

Saying Usopp's moments in Wano weren't big because Oda made sure everybody had big contributions is bad reading

[thick mango]

i dunno what you seem to want to reject any comparison.

[hazy turret]

does anyone here think usopp didnt do anything important ?

[grand flower]

what?

[hardy stratus]

Also idk comparing with EL wouldn't make sense because the scope has just increased so much

[hazy turret]

everyone is saying he contributed significantly

[sly belfry]

Me

[hardy stratus]

We are dealing with like 20x named characters compared to EL

[grand flower]

I'm saying that doing important things should be big moments to you guys

[iron oriole]

everyone has a role to play, sometimes its just Nami is a bigger role than others, next its Usopp etc etc

[ashen perch]

this started from Archer saying exactly that

[thick mango]

all people are saying is that many other characters had contributions that were larger and more important. Thats not to say usopp contributed nothing. But its also not an invalid observation to make

[wraith mantle]

Also in W7, the focus was pretty much on Usopp’s struggle with the merry situation

[formal wagon]

there were a trillion people available to stall him tbh, Franky could have done it, jinbei could have done it, marco could have done it

[hardy stratus]

? How

[scenic dirge]

It’s about salience and optics ig

[hardy stratus]

Kaido would have oneshotted them bro

Kaido would have stomped everyone if not for Yamato then

[scenic dirge]

Bro said Franky 😭

[grand flower]

I think the invalid observation is that that means Usopp didn't do anything special that arc when it reality it's just the author making sure everybody has something special to do.

I do not think exclusivity or scale is important for if something a character does in the story is special

[ashen perch]

Marco lasts 15 seconds against BM man, what was he doing against Kaido

[scenic dirge]

I respect it tbh

[hardy stratus]

Evan saying same thing 3 times doesn't make you sound any more smart

[iron oriole]

Marco could probably stall a little bit

[hazy turret]

if everything is a big moment then nothing is
the whole point is comparing moments in the story to each other and seeing which one stands out or boosts a character's role

[wraith mantle]

Usopp just didn’t have the focus on him in wano which is fine. I appreciate Oda still giving him roles to play. But as an usopp enjoyer I am looking forward to an usopp-focused elbaf moment

[iron oriole]

2v1'd King & Queen at least so thats got to say something

[grand flower]

I think all this shows is that Oda is skilled enough to make sure all of the characters have special moments if they're gonna be there

[formal wagon]

😭 not happening

[thick mango]

'special' means distinctive. its a word that inherently involves comparison. if everything is special, nothing is

[hardy stratus]

????

[scenic dirge]

It’s about salience and optics. Because it is. That’s the root of this argument

[hazy turret]

not all special moments are equal im sorry

[grand flower]

yeah no that's not how it works

[formal wagon]

whats up

[hazy turret]

in your opinion

[grand flower]

yeah and what usopp did is distinctive because he did them

[grand flower]

no that's just not how stories work

[hardy stratus]

Franky couldn't have done jack shit there mailbox bro

[dense haven]

franky was supposed to make the anti kaido weapon

hes a fraud

[ashen perch]

I mean there are bigger and more significant contributions but not every character is gonna have a top 5 contribution in every arc, that would be a silly way to look at it

[hazy turret]

luffy awakening and going god mode is more of a special moment than franky defeating sasaki or whatever

both are important

[grand flower]

Yeah I'm ignoring all the comments about "Well there were moments that were bigger" because that's not what Archer said

Or asked

[formal wagon]

franky is made of metal. kaido can't do anything about that

[grand flower]

The statement was Wano lacked anything from Usopp at all

[hardy stratus]

Yeah arsal's this take is more valid than Shuron's

[thick mango]

when you call something special, it needs to stand out against and above the other things in its class of comparison. Which usopps wano moments dont.

[grand flower]

I'm pushing back against the idea that that's true because it wasn't JUST Usopp

[hasty sable]

I said he didn’t do anything special in Wano which is true from my experience

[hardy stratus]

? Just send him flying bro

[scenic dirge]

The reason people feel stronger about certain moments has nothing to do with the overall consequences of those actions. It’s about how salient and impactful they’re presented in the story. If Usopp’s big contribution is given a small section of a random chapter, it’s obviously not going to feel as grand as Luffy fighting Kaido

[ashen perch]

yeah, this is about whether it was significant and special period. It definitely was.

[scenic dirge]

Like this should be common sense

[grand flower]

If the perspective is "it wasn't just Usopp so its not special," i think that perspective is just bad for reading a story

everybody having something special is exactly what a good writer should be doing

[hasty sable]

Holy cow you people are exhausting sometimes lmao

[thick mango]

everyone cant have something special, thats not what special means

[iron oriole]

nothing in Wano is special if thats the case then

[sly belfry]

Just sometimes?

[grand flower]

you don't have to talk to me, i'm not even replying to you

[hasty sable]

Defensive

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[thick mango]

special is the subset of things that stand above the other things

[hardy stratus]

Archer when a fan of a work defends the work /s

[hazy turret]

i still agree with archer

[hasty sable]

I hate One Piece!

Jk

[grand flower]

yeah like i told rokaya, that's just not how stories work. 10 cool things happening in the plot is 10 cool things. Reducing the arc to five cool things doesn't make those five things cooler

its not like density on an object getting smaller

[hardy stratus]

I only agree with Arsal so far

[grand flower]

all that is is less cool things

The presence of a second cool thing isn't gonna make the first cool thing less cool to me so i don't understand why you guys think this "is everything is special, nothing is" logic works here

[hardy stratus]

Comparisons are obv made. Impact of a scene with how it related to you or how much important it felt to you would be different for different elements

[grand flower]

Sanji turning invisible doesn't make Luffy uppercutting Kaido with Hao less cool

[dense haven]

w7 was a bigger moment to his character and him in dressrosa was a big moment to the arc

[grand flower]

that's just two cool things happening for me to enjoy

[hardy stratus]

It's just a normal thing when you are reading a story

[scenic dirge]

But he’s not even wrong for feeling like that lol. I love one piece and I’m not deluded enough to think it’s insane to find something like Usopp’s moment in Wano less memorable or grand because it wasn’t presented as such in comparison to the other huge moments. It’s common sense that most characters had a contribution in the raid that likely if that did not transpire, the raid would be in trouble. But that’s not the point here. It’s about SALIENCE

[dense haven]

even if usopp cut the planet in half and one shot imu it would still not beat his w7 arc

[thick mango]

It’s about salience and optics ig

[grand flower]

I'm not saying you can't find individual moments cooler than others. What I am saying, is that it doesn't make sense to go "Well this usopp scene wasn't cool because there was 10 other cool scenes for other characters"

[scenic dirge]

FACTS

[grand flower]

that just means you have 11 cool scenes

[hazy turret]

big red buzzer

[hardy stratus]

EVAN BACK TO SALIENCE AND OPTICS

[scenic dirge]

SALIENCE AND OPTICS FTW

[hardy stratus]

It's 10 other more cooler scene

[dense haven]

since when you're a powerscaler

[hardy stratus]

That's the issue for people here shuron

which is idk its a very subjective thing to argue about imo

[grand flower]

that's cool, but it doesn't stop the 11th scene from being cool as well

[hasty sable]

It’s all about hype moments and aura

[grand flower]

I didn't say Usopp's moments had to be your favorite

[scenic dirge]

true

[hardy stratus]

a statement of "Usopp didn't do anything as special as otherss" is a valid take

[dense haven]

themes and such daughter or hype moments and aura son?

[hardy stratus]

Which is what Archer said iirc?

[grand flower]

Eh

[dense haven]

aircraft

[scenic dirge]

What aircraft is archer operating??

[grand flower]

No, he said Usopp didn't do anything special at all

[hardy stratus]

shut up

[scenic dirge]

I would not trust him to pilot my plane ngl

Unless he had the proper certifications

[hardy stratus]

I mean the "comparatively" is a thing that's like implied

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-20211479

[grand flower]

I just don't think the perspective of "this is cooler than usopp's moment so usopp's moment isn't cool at all" is a valuable one

[ashen perch]

If I see an Archer piloting my plane, I'd jump

[grand flower]

All that should mean is, two cool things happened in the story

Every arc will inevitably feature one thing that's cool, and a thing that's cooler

[hasty sable]

I’ve replaced your parachute with a backpack comically stuff with an anvil like a cartoon

[hardy stratus]

Shuron, like wouldn't having a super tasty cake make a cake that you felt super tasty not feel as tasty to you now?

[grand flower]

You're setting yourself up for diminishing returns by viewing that as "the less cool thing has to stop being cool at all now"

[grand flower]

fuck no

[hardy stratus]

It does

[grand flower]

i don't understand this perspective at all lmao

[hazy turret]

so for shuron, kiwi and mozu were just as important as usopp in enies or what

[grand flower]

i have never felt this way about anything

if i like a cake, and then i eat a cake that's better, my threshold for what i understand to be good cake just goes up

the cake i ate before doesn't stop being good

[ashen perch]

I think its just important to acknowledge that he did definitely did contribute in a sufficiently significant way, anything else is just really fighting over semantics

[hazy turret]

but youre gonna say both cakes are just as special ??

[iron oriole]

$1 steak vs prime Wagyu

[grand flower]

i don't like the cake less

[hardy stratus]

Like bro say you have only watched Fairy Tail and found it super good

Then you watched like idk 100 other anime and found what you find great, then FT wouldn't be as good for you again

[grand flower]

i don't work that way

[formal wagon]

in you there are 2 cakes... one that is tasty and one that made a cake that you felt super tasty not feel as tasty. 🍰

[hazy turret]

a 20 dollar cake is not as special as a 300 dollar cake bruh

[ashen perch]

I would just like people to stop ignoring Usopp's contributions in the arc, as they very very very very very very very often do

[grand flower]

if i watch a show, however good that show is is determined by that show

i don't decide if something is good by comparison

either it's good or it's not

another good, or better thing, doesn't make it less good

[hardy stratus]

No. It's also determined by your experiences of good or bad of the show

[graceful grove]

List them

[grand flower]

the merit is still determined entirely by what it is in of itself

[iron oriole]

i think its fair to say that in Wano, Usopp was less memorable than others but that can also be said about like 90% of the Wano cast

[hazy turret]

can we please get a dictionary bot in the server, have it define the word special please

[hardy stratus]

The merit is determined by how the value of it resonates with you

[grand flower]

special in storytelling really is just "contributed soemthing integral to the plot"

[hardy stratus]

any work of art has same merit to it

with any other work of art

[grand flower]

if you remove what usopp did, could the plot succeed as it did with what he did

[hardy stratus]

One man's garbage is another man's treasure

[grand flower]

and I do not find the notion of "you can do that for any character in wano" to be a valid one because, again that's what a writer is supposed to do

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-tommy-lee-jones-not-gif-6021597

[grand flower]

i don't think it makes sense to demerit usopp's writing in wano because of something a writer is supposed to do

[grand flower]

alright bro

[hardy stratus]

Impact of Luffy fighting Kaido isn't as special as Usopp's actions tho

And it doesn't have to be!

[hazy turret]

i dont know where youre pulling "special in storytelling" from

[grand flower]

again, you can say things are "more" special

[grand flower]

i'm not continuing with you

[hardy stratus]

So its just semantics atp man

Evan was right all along...

[rose rune]

What can happen tho, is rewatching something only to discover it wasn't as good as you remembered

[hardy stratus]

It's all about Salience and Optics

[grand flower]

no, i'm trying to say that we shouldn't be saying usopp's moments stop being special because everybody had something special to do

i don't think anybody should view stories that way

[hardy stratus]

but the special is a subjective thing that's determined by how special the rest of the things are

[grand flower]

the alternative is characters with nothing to do or contribute

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ohio-confusion-gif-5602388462589981850

[hardy stratus]

special is only special with smth to compare it to

[grand flower]

i don't think so. that's why i told rokaya before, i assert that "special" really just means "did something integral for the plot"

[hardy stratus]

You need a baseline for deeming smth as special

[grand flower]

that's why when archer said before "usopp didn't do anything special" i listed what he contributed

[grand flower]

i tried doing that and rokaya replied to me like i was an idiot so i stopped

[formal wagon]

[hazy turret]

and you honestly believe those were special

[prisma yacht]

It was a great moment for usopp so yes

[grand flower]

hold on lemme ignore rokaya for a bit

[hazy turret]

loooool

[formal wagon]

💀 SAVAGE

[formal wagon]

💯 🫲

[grand flower]

@hardy stratus by baseline for special is, if you removed them from the plot would the outcome of the plot changed

[scenic dirge]

Typically how it goes yea

[grand flower]

if you took out shinobu, momo couldn't become an adult and onigashima would have exploded

[hazy turret]

THATS NOT WHAT SPECIAL MEANS

[hardy stratus]

You need the baseline deeming "ordinary" or "usual" for making smth special

[grand flower]

so shinobu's contribution is special

[hardy stratus]

If everyone contributes same level

It's ordinary

[grand flower]

i was trying to say earlier that the context for "special" in storytelling isn't this

it's not about rarity or scale

the word we really should be using is significant, or meaningful

[hardy stratus]

Shuron you are using a definition for special that no one else is using

[hardy stratus]

This is what everyone else is using

here

[hazy turret]

so the gifters that were carrying the pot of red bean soup or whatever, if you took them out then luffy and zoro wouldve never exposed themself and the arc would change completely

[grand flower]

I assumed from the context clues that Archer meant did Usopp's character get anything meaningful in Wano

[hardy stratus]

I understood his actions aren't in the highest quartile of big contribution

which is what you would call special

[grand flower]

if this is what you mean by special then nobody but luffy is ever special

because luffy is the only one who does something unique by taking out the leader

[formal wagon]

its the opposite

luffy is never special

[hardy stratus]

Usopp's contribution in w7 was special

his in Dressrosa was special

[grand flower]

meaning what?

[hardy stratus]

his in Wano is too but the bar is increased

[grand flower]

if you mean "special" as in "nobody else did it," then that applies for Wano

[tranquil blade]

I think Usopp objectively had important contributions in Wano, as did many other characters, but I understand why people subjectively perceive some of these important contributions as bigger than others for reasons like panel time, which character in question the moment is about and other factors

[grand flower]

Nobody else caught the Marys for Tama

Nobody else sniped the dango across the battlefield

[tranquil blade]

That's my perspective at least

[grand flower]

Nobody else sniped the lookouts to keep the raid an ambush

[hardy stratus]

Okay man idk what's so difficult to understand about this aftet this long so I am out of this convo

[grand flower]

also what you guys said to me earlier comes back to bite you guys

[grand flower]

i am literally giving you the chance right now to correct how i'm misunderstanding you if i am

i straight up asked you if this is what you mean by special then gave examples lol

so you understand how i interpreted what you said

this is straight up just a conversation guy

[hardy stratus]

A thing is special with one baseline -> Plenty more special stuff happens -> baseline increases -> thing isn't special cuz special is always dependent on that baseline

[grand flower]

ig that just goes back to me saying i don't think that's a valuable way to look at narratives

[hardy stratus]

That's something you instinctively apply to any comparison

[distant vine]

Its a presentation thing sometimes. Like how Usopp saved the Sunny in Egghead, objectively theyd be screwed if not for that but it didnt land in that way for people

[grand flower]

i don't think stories should work that way because it means asking for stories to do less so things appear as more

[hardy stratus]

Have your first ice cream, maybe its like of a bad quality, but since its your first time trying one, it feels special for you

[grand flower]

I would rather an OP arc have 5 pretty cool things and 2 super cool things than jist 2 super cool things because that would make them seem better

[hardy stratus]

have like 100 of different flavors and qualities of icecream

[grand flower]

i told you i don't perceive things this way

[hardy stratus]

now what you first deemed as special

Everyone does

[grand flower]

it's kinda funny that you're talking about me not being able to understand

[hardy stratus]

you are just denying

[urban lodge]

And when everyone's super...

[grand flower]

and when i told you that's not my perspective, you're asserting that it is as thought that's for you to decide lol

[hardy stratus]

It's like one of the most basic psychological thing

[ashen perch]

Okay so:
He put all the guards outside of Onigashima to sleep with his sniping skills and seemingly using observation too, allowing the alliance to sneak in successfully
Fed Tama's dangos to gifters spread across the entire island with his sniping skills, as they were helping WW get an upper hand on Jinbe, Jack on Inuarashi, Sasaki on Franky and more, saving all their lives.
Fought Page One and Ulti, beat and captured Bao Huang and used her connection to the smails across the island to announce Tama's orders, and then later teamed with Nami to beat Ulti
Went to save Kinemon and Kiku, carried them through hordes of Beast Pirates that were after him, encouraged them to live on even when they were ready to give up on living, saving both their lives.

Just reread the arc if you dont remember this ngl

[distant vine]

Everyone? Lets see if I do

[hardy stratus]

It'd not a perspective thing but psychological

[hazy turret]

i literally sent the gif a few mins ago bro

[grand flower]

Yeah and my psychology isn't that

[tranquil blade]

Yeah that's what I mean, someone could have done something important but if it's relegated to one small panel while another character gets a whole page displaying something important they did.. it's obviously gonna be received differently by the reader

[distant vine]

Can you give me an example in One Piece

[grand flower]

i don't use comparison to judge things

[urban lodge]

I'm SORRY, I didn't see

[hardy stratus]

Judgement is only possible with comparison tho!!!!!

[hazy turret]

where is scamming a child?

[grand flower]

that's not true

[hardy stratus]

How is it not

[knotty root]

Depends on the context

[hazy turret]

no i mean like, youre right

he just doesnt agree for some reason

[hardy stratus]

gimme one example of the opposite

[grand flower]

if i eat a banana and i don't like how it tastes, i don't need comparison for that. i know from that taste i don't like that banana

[ashen perch]

That was not his fault? Toko stole the medicine without his knowledge, he had no clue.

[grand flower]

i don't need to know what sweet tastes like to know i don't like bitter

[hazy turret]

do you think he would refuse selling it to toko

[grand flower]

because when i eat bitter, i will feel the sensation of not enjoying it

[hardy stratus]

Yeah and that's cuz you don't like it compared to things you like

[ashen perch]

But I was focusing on Onigashima, yeah he was also put in the role by Kinemon to spot their grown Samurai allies hidden across the flower capital

[knotty root]

If I were to save 1000 children from death that doesn't mean saving 1 child from death is bad

[grand flower]

no because if you remove those things, i still wouldn't enjoy the taste of bitter

[urban lodge]

Ah lmao I actually don't even have a lot of context, I just read what Goro said and it reminded me of that

[hazy turret]

important does not equal special

[urban lodge]

I just know it's about Usopp

[ashen perch]

yes? he was there to spot their grown samurai allies and hand them over an invitation to the raid

the medicine was a trick to pull a crowd

from which he could spot the allies lol

[hazy turret]

usopp apologists...

[distant vine]

Maybe...he needs aura?

[grand flower]

@hardy stratus all of this is to say, when i see usopp do something i find cool and then i read luffy do something i find even cooler, that doesn't bring down what usopp did on the scale to me. All that does is extend how far the scale goes

Good is still good after i've had better

[graceful belfry]

Usopp is a funny character to discuss

[grand flower]

all better does is make me understand that better is there

[hardy stratus]

Yeah but back to

if everyone is special

[hazy turret]

say what you will about Kid, but at least he never harmed a child whether directly or indirectly

[hardy stratus]

No one is

[distant vine]

I think Usopp should remain the weakest SH anyways

[grand flower]

i will never believe a story works like that

[ashen perch]

he was going to

[hardy stratus]

Any comparison

by virtue of being comparison

works like that

[hazy turret]

proof ?

[grand flower]

A story having 10 cool moments doesn't make any of them less cool

[hardy stratus]

and special id a comparison

[grand flower]

that is just 10 cool moments

[distant vine]

Wait so whats your overall point? I came here late

[hardy stratus]

Idk

I forgot what my point even was

[grand flower]

if i find #9 cooler than #8, i'm not gonna think less of #spoilers

why does it keep doing that

[tranquil blade]

lol

[distant vine]

Kid never said it was only grown adults who laughed at him and then died

[distant vine]

Well...Shuron wins?

[graceful grove]

• 4/5
• 2/5
• -1/5
• 3/5

[distant vine]

[cursive onyx]

🔥

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-meme-tekking-tekking101-break-next-week-gif-17490271199949736348

[graceful belfry]

If Kid self harms, he harmed a Kid

[hardy stratus]

no

[ashen perch]

a dying old man and a child princess were among his victims btw

[hazy turret]

logical fallacy, absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence

[hardy stratus]

Usopp did smth special but it was among the least special moments is where I am at

[hazy turret]

child princess ?

[brittle basin]

omg that pun is so bad, but in a good way

[graceful belfry]

Calling her a child cause she’s a small petite woman smh Arsal

[hardy stratus]

I agree with shuron's point but doesn't agree with his reasoning AT ALL

[tranquil blade]

I mean tbf he didnt actually kill them

[hardy stratus]

Is where I am at

[tranquil blade]

He killed them in the goat's future sight

[ashen perch]

she's a child I am pretty sure, I think it was confirmed

[graceful belfry]

LMFAO yo

I never noticed this

[hazy turret]

talking out of your ASS

[ashen perch]

okay maybe she was very short

[hardy stratus]

Go read darkdawn smh

[brittle basin]

I read at NIGHT

[grand flower]

see i was never fighting that because that wasn't what archer had said

[ashen perch]

but I remember her being like as tall as a child in the anime

[hardy stratus]

It's night

[hazy turret]

is she not a tontatta

[hasty sable]

She’s a tonttata no?

[ashen perch]

not a tonttata, bigger than a tontatta

[brittle basin]

it's 9:27 AM you filthy liar!!!

[hasty sable]

Has the same speech pattern

[urban lodge]

Kid would never harm his namesakes

[hazy turret]

same nose

[hardy stratus]

Yeah and I was supporting you until I found your reasoning too absurd

lol

[hasty sable]

I do think Kid would kill a child though if they laughed at him

[hardy stratus]

It's around 10 pm

[hasty sable]

Or whatever

[tranquil blade]

He didnt even kill her btw

[hasty sable]

He was going to

[distant vine]

Sure I guess

[grand flower]

i don't think a cooler moment should make you enjoy a cool moment less

[hazy turret]

i dont think he would

[hasty sable]

But she’s the enemy so whatever

[tranquil blade]

Well my goat stopped him so it's okay

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-godot-armando-godo-phoenix-wright-gif-24510740

[hardy stratus]

Comparatives are affected by baselines.

[graceful belfry]

Shanks harmed a Kid

[hasty sable]

I don’t know that he’s above it tbh it’s hard to gauge Kid’s moral compass

[hazy turret]

i feel like once youve been made into a luffy ally theres some things that are off the table

[hardy stratus]

And more of one would change the baseline

[hardy stratus]

Go read p9 smh

[hasty sable]

Luffy at least sees him as a friend so he can’t be too terrible

[tranquil blade]

I mean he is willing to crucify people

[urban snow]

guys what if zaza is gaunko's mom

[hardy stratus]

No

bad theory

[graceful belfry]

Smoking that zaza

[hardy stratus]

back to #manga

[hazy turret]

bzzzt please refer to barto's crimes

[tranquil blade]

I remember during the Harald flashback people were talking about how Rocks seemed more moral than Kid

[hasty sable]

Barto cutting off a hundred thumbs

[formal wagon]

please refer to l*ffy's crimes

[grand flower]

I think it’s a matter of perspective

[runic dock]

That laugh at him , still not a good reason to crucify tho

[tranquil blade]

Notice how whenever Luffy's allies do something wrong, the same guy defeats them?

[hazy turret]

barto was livestreaming his brutality man

[knotty root]

Did we see much of kid's terrorism

[urban snow]

cause when gaunko used to serve imu zaza and gaunko look similar

[knotty root]

Idr

[graceful grove]

He deserve the chair fr

[ashen perch]

ehhh

I mean it counts

he would have killed her

if not for Shanks

[distant vine]

Luffy saw Mr. 2 as a friend before and after his terrorist behavior and Mr.2 didnt even do anything morally righteous they were just entertaining

😭

[graceful grove]

Look how many criminals he freed

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/vanilla-mace-cry-stan-twt-gif-15526487726224970262

[tranquil blade]

Shanks sets Luffy's allies right, both Barto and Kid

[hasty sable]

true

[graceful grove]

Anything but facing BB

[hardy stratus]

Luffy's morality is: don't hurt kids

[hazy turret]

good people do bad things, agree or not chat?

[formal wagon]

what did eustass do wrong

[hazy turret]

didnt he beat up momo

[hasty sable]

From Impel Down, probably not all that bad really

[hardy stratus]

Friendly beating

[runic dock]

No only black and white exist , no grey

[hasty sable]

Impel Down is an evil institution

[hardy stratus]

Doesn't count rok

[hazy turret]

was punching vivi friendly

[hardy stratus]

Archer is VP's statement of this chapter giving you more hope

[graceful belfry]

Lowkey

[graceful grove]

I hate to even use this point but CG is hunting marines

[hasty sable]

Hannyabal moralizing doesn’t mean anything. He wants to be the warden of the torture gulag that the government sends undesirables to.

[runic dock]

Only due to author depiction , on paper luffy is as bad as rocks

[hasty sable]

Based

[runic dock]

[graceful belfry]

I’d almost forgotten about Rocks hitting Loki

[prisma yacht]

Vivi had it coming

[graceful grove]

It is but its a “bad” thing

[hardy stratus]

about an institution which has been ruling for 800 breeding more darkness (with regard to Imu)

[graceful belfry]

And how obsessed this chat was with it for like

A few weeks

[hazy turret]

cross guild doing more revolutionary work than the revos....

[runic dock]

If rocks was the MC, that beating would’ve looked more friendly like luffy vs momo

[hazy turret]

cross guild being more radical than the revolutionaries

[graceful grove]

U love to see it

[prisma yacht]

Still is a major concern

[graceful grove]

Sabo will burn cds

[graceful belfry]

Factual. Presentation plays a huge role

[tranquil blade]

Revos literally attacked the celestial dragons...

[graceful grove]

I have faith

[tranquil blade]

Revolutionary slander cannot go on

[hazy turret]

they cut their lobster supply

[hardy stratus]

Don't mention sensible stuff to rok

[hazy turret]

they have to eat beef instead of lobster

[hardy stratus]

It's agenda piece

[graceful grove]

Nah Revs are good ppl

[tranquil blade]

They also literally said they cant get just about ANY food supply to them up there, they're going to starve eventually

[hazy turret]

and thats not as radical as hunting the marines down

[hardy stratus]

Their fight isn't with marines but with cd

[wraith mantle]

So what was the conclusion

[hasty sable]

Someone should tell the marines that

[tranquil blade]

Going for the root is more radical than going for the symptom of the root

[wraith mantle]

Was Usopp’s moment in wano as important

[hardy stratus]

Idk

[wraith mantle]

As Luffy

[hardy stratus]

good riddance to that discussion

[graceful grove]

No

[dense haven]

if only they had a way to teleport stuff

[hardy stratus]

is all i care about

[graceful grove]

Next question

[hazy turret]

again, cg is more radical
they seem to have basically written off the role the marines play in the oppression of the world

[urban lodge]

That's my future king of the world right there

[hasty sable]

Revos stance is a little annoying

[graceful grove]

A lot of marines need to share cells with CDs post war

[hardy stratus]

Going for the root