also-manga

[ashen perch]

its definitely going to be wind

[muted hedge]

oh wait you're talking about Blackbeard

[knotty root]

Storm seems restricting in terms of power compared to wind

[muted hedge]

nah, he doesn't fit with the satanism

[graceful grove]

Him talking about BB

[muted hedge]

he doesn't fit with that

[distant vine]

Yes

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard doesn't fit with the demonic stuff at all to me

[graceful grove]

Ye

[dense reef]

That’s my GOAT

[maiden smelt]

Dragon is a free DF for Blackbeard if he’s a zoan

[muted hedge]

hell no he isn't

[graceful grove]

They can keep fighting it but wind is inevitable

[knotty root]

Imagine a storm imbued with haki. Every drop hitting you is like a bite from an ant

[ashen perch]

There's just so many wind references with Dragon. The name of his ship is Wind Granma, his line to Kuma was about the winds of fate, the wind blast against the marines, the wind blast that saved Gray Terminal's residents, the wind blowing around him during many of his appearances, the wind that was around him when he saved Sabo

[iron oriole]

Sylph! Sylph! Sylph! Sylph!

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think logias can do that

[maiden smelt]

Like that ink cloud in wano

I forgot that persons name

[knotty root]

Yeah just yapping some bs here

[prisma yacht]

poop

[ornate tartan]

imbuing haki in elemental attacks i’ve only seen loki do that

[knotty root]

Kanjuro

[ornate tartan]

if you can show me another example

[golden valley]

No

[ornate tartan]

i’ll wait

[ashen perch]

Smoker did it

[golden valley]

If you can imbue literally pressurized air in haki

You can imbue storms in haki

Zoro did this

Smoker also coated haki in his smoke

And Flaming Bagua seemed to be an acoc clash

[hazy turret]

this is nidhogg and serpent of hellfire yeah?

[ornate tartan]

i forgot then my mistake

must’ve been punk hazard

[muted hedge]

so 'omen' can transform into anything?

[golden valley]

Yes

[hazy turret]

toon force but evil....

[ashen perch]

yeah

[muted hedge]

reminds me of when Luffy made a baseball bat

[ornate tartan]

the military might of the ruler of the world has no limits

[rain cedar]

Omen is what people thought haki would do lol. Like making haki arms and stuff like that

[hazy turret]

any theories as to what the serpent is? if imu is the earth god

[golden valley]

Omen will be the most versatile power in the series

And guess what

[ashen perch]

this definitely is like when Luffy made goggles and a bat from his hagoromo

[muted hedge]

Shamrock

[muted hedge]

i'll stand firm on this

[golden valley]

Omen is just one of Imu’s toolkits

[muted hedge]

Shamrock is the current hellflame serpent

[ornate tartan]

who u bouta say is Tefnut😭😭😭

[hazy turret]

its a shame we're not in the same room right now because i just let out the biggest sigh

[golden valley]

Which means IMU will be the most versatile character in the series

[ashen perch]

I think Omen is like a small part of Imu's hagoromo that he can summon in his palms with certain handsigns, Luffy's going to eventually pull this off too

[muted hedge]

your loss

[dense rapids]

Wdym that’s Lili?

[golden valley]

Luffy’s Hair/Hagoromo scarf

[ornate tartan]

yea i agree

[ashen perch]

I think its the Red Line

[knotty root]

I need to see if this scene was anime only or not first

[golden valley]

We legit saw Luffy use his hair to create stuff

[dense rapids]

Tefnut was the goddess of moisture and the eye of the sun god

[ashen perch]

yeah, I think Imu's basically doing the same thing but on a way more advanced level

[hazy turret]

hmm like the fossil of the serpent? would be cool

[ashen perch]

yeahh

the giants call it the serpent soaked in blood

[muted hedge]

can't wait for when Imu busts out this form

[iron oriole]

It wont be here

[golden valley]

This will be FP Imu

[muted hedge]

definitely not

[hazy turret]

and it would add to imu residing there

[iron oriole]

I won't be surprised if that can only be tapped into at Marijoa

[golden valley]

Probably Imu eating the motherflame

[rain cedar]

I always wondered if there's any significance to the 6 soldiers on the boat. Can't be the gorosei

[golden valley]

Im not sure how Imu reaches their peak state

But it will happen

[muted hedge]

it can, the falling one is Saturn

[ashen perch]

I am thinking Imu needs the redline to sustain him somehow, would explain why he's perfectly fine over there

[knotty root]

Was it ever stated in the story that hybrid's were the strongest form of zoans users or was this just made up by the community

[ashen perch]

I think it was

[rain cedar]

Are u sure that only represents the future

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-imu-transforms-into-a-demonic-monster-one-piece-imu-the-king-of-the-empty-throne--k01KRE8ZP7NHV1W6B1ANS7WS5RC

[golden valley]

Also, my latest thoughts in the whole situation is that Current Imu is (far) weaker than Void Century Imu

[muted hedge]

i think it represents both

[rain cedar]

Wonder how emeth will come back then

[ashen perch]

I dont think so, but he's definitely far weaker than Marie Geoise Imu

[muted hedge]

i don't think Imu is even trying right now

he is relishing in nostalgia

[ashen perch]

yeah no, I am not saying that because of the Loki fight, he's clearly still far from serious

[muted hedge]

please let us see hybrid Loki next chapter

[ashen perch]

but with him huffing like that, its clear that Imu's quite limited

[ornate tartan]

imu is huffing because it’s a struggle for him to be in the lower world

[ashen perch]

yeah

[ornate tartan]

nothing to do with powerscaling

[muted hedge]

i've seen so many people say that Loki is the one who caused Imu to huff and puff, when it's really just because his body isn't made to function in the lower world

[ashen perch]

oh no I agree lol, its def unrelated to powerscaling, he has been huffing since he got here

[balmy field]

we all know those are nothing in front of the df i mentioned evn kaido too

goro goro no mi and yami yami no mi are exception

[ornate tartan]

if imu had no issues being in the lower world he wouldn’t use his knights as a medium to get stuff done in the lower world

[iron oriole]

Bro's been coughing blood since he landed in Elbaf & people will still say its due to Loki

[ornate tartan]

he would’ve been wiped out all his enemies on his own

[muted hedge]

i can't wait for Imu to be in a pirate warriors game

[golden valley]

Idk, I think Imu in today’s era has been giving out contracts actively nerfing their power, so it makes sense to me if peak Imu is when Joyboy was alive

[hazy turret]

so is the consensus that the half moon is the D clan, and the moon in lunarians? and killing the sun god (joyboy?) made the sea god rage and curse devil fruits ?

[rain cedar]

Moon could refer to Minks as well

[hazy turret]

that makes sense too

[ornate tartan]

the elders made a statement on it, sommers made a statement on it, for someone to say Loki is pushing imu or is making him huff and puff is crazy

[ashen perch]

If 3 of the Logias are some of the strongest DFs ever then thats a pretty similar ratio to how many mythical zoans are among the strongest (Dragons & Nika) lol. Thats not what i'd call an exception really.

[muted hedge]

Loki even acknowledged that Imu isn't taking him seriously at all

[rain cedar]

Sea god raging is probably Poseidon drowning the world

[hazy turret]

i dont remember the joyboy apology poneglyph very much

yeah

[ashen perch]

He was supposed to take FMI to the surface

[hazy turret]

i was gonna say that they were clearly friends, and maybe joyboy sacrificed himself

[ornate tartan]

he’s monologuing and reminiscing in the middle of the fight if that didn’t make it obvious i don’t know what will😂

[balmy field]

admirals fruit? bruv😭
sakazuki fruit is theonly i consider strong there and others are getting whopped by kaido,luffy

[muted hedge]

it's really interesting how Imu seems to be living in the past

[ornate tartan]

fans just got comfortable with the word upscale

[balmy field]

(admirals fruits is in context of 3 fruits)

[ornate tartan]

there hasn’t been a single upscale for loki in this fight

[muted hedge]

also i thought that Imu would call Luffy as Joyboy but no, he called him Nika

farther confirmation that Imu originates from the first world imo

[ornate tartan]

yeah I love how the past is something he still is very connected to

I think out of all of the void century characters he will have the most depth to him

[muted hedge]

can't wait to see what went down back then

[iron oriole]

He seems to change depending on mood

[ashen perch]

Goro Goro is straight up called invincible, Yami Yami is called the strongest fruit ever, Akainu's fruit is said to have the highest raw destructive power in DFs. Its not a big difference at all

[muted hedge]

i kinda want the void century flashback to be out of Imu's perspective

[thick mango]

Hyperbole creep lol

[rare ivy]

Looks like this is the way it’s going to happen

[muted hedge]

i hope

[thick mango]

Lokis fruit is the most destructive fruit ever, akainus fruit is the most destructive fruit ever, wb fruit is the most destructive fruit ever

[rare ivy]

It will be very interesting

[balmy field]

man but they are not the strongest of em all

[ashen perch]

Loki's definitely not?

[trim lily]

whitebeard can destroy the world but loki can destroy TWO worlds

[thick mango]

There's probably like 3-4 most destructive fruits ever left in the story

[ashen perch]

Loki was called the biggest dragon ever

[trim lily]

i think that goes hand in hand with destructive capability

[ornate tartan]

30-40 chapter flashback potentially 50

[ashen perch]

not at all

[ornate tartan]

we have 2 perspectives to see

[trim lily]

generally a 500ft death dragon would probably be pretty destructive

[ornate tartan]

might even reach 60-70

[iron oriole]

A dragon is one of the most destructive creatures ever

[ashen perch]

not any moreso than Magu Magu or Gura Gura

[muted hedge]

man, i want to see Imu transform into a dragon too so they can have a dragon fight

[ashen perch]

he's very destructive, not more than them

[trim lily]

idk loki is kinda absurd

[maiden smelt]

So far the magma fruit isn’t even more destructive than lots of DFs

[rain cedar]

Jarul said Harald could destroy the world but that's probably due to the size thing

[iron oriole]

Magma fruit cant even deal with robots & old men

[rare ivy]

Both fighting with their own hybrid dragon forms will go crazy

[ashen perch]

well he said that the world would end, which it definitely would with Harald on the WG's side

[muted hedge]

i'd rather just see Imu mock Loki by transforming into an omen dragon of sorts

Imu being bigger than Nidhoggr in that state would also be hillarious

[balmy field]

KAIDO,LOKI.LUFFY,GOROSEI,IMU,CHOPPER,IMU,marco,sengoku,yamato,devon are have strongest mythic zoans(users)

[iron oriole]

Doc Q?

[rare ivy]

Yes easily possible

[balmy field]

what?

[iron oriole]

He doesn't have a zoan

[balmy field]

where is he?

[iron oriole]

Ah nice edit

[balmy field]

lmao

[iron oriole]

Chopper is head canon too

[ashen perch]

Chopper isnt even confirmed. Gorosei and Imu are their own things. Kaido, Sengoku, Yamato, Devon, Marco arent stronger than Yami Yami and Magu Magu

the strongest, most dangerous DF ever is a Logia

[muted hedge]

omen feels like the short cut to transform into anything lol
so in a way the people who wanted a shape shifter got one

[muted hedge]

definitely a mythical zoan, lol

i like the fact that Oda is trying to hide it though

[rain cedar]

Putting kaido there is certainly a choice... especially with magu

[ashen perch]

I think BB knows better

[iron oriole]

Can't wait to see 274638 different angles of Imu growing to Giant size

[ashen perch]

he calls his power a logia

so its a logia

[muted hedge]

glorious

[thick mango]

Calling something the strongest ever is just as meaningful as there being 5 flying devil fruits

[balmy field]

he is 100% a zoan

[muted hedge]

so you think it'll stay a logia?

[ashen perch]

yes, BB is not wrong

[muted hedge]

i feel like it's the most obvious mythical zoan reveal upcoming

[iron oriole]

Yami will stay logia yeah

BB is getting the Kraken fruit

He doesn't need a secret zoan in the Yami

[ashen perch]

yeah

[rain cedar]

Not a fair take considering we haven't seen what it can do. It was powerful enough to transform half of punk hazard and took off kuzans leg

And this isn't even mentioning marineford in general

[ashen perch]

I think its fair to take the word of Oda on this, who was also the one to say that Logias are the strongest DF type

[iron oriole]

I like how taking Kuzans leg is a feat there

[prisma yacht]

[rain cedar]

It is because Kuzan is also goated

[muted hedge]

has he said this recently?

i feel like that's something he said back when mythical zoans weren't as prevelent

[ashen perch]

Dressrosa was the last time, I mean it doesnt really make a difference lol

[muted hedge]

eh, i'd say it does

[ashen perch]

he hasnt called zoans the strongest type since then

[balmy field]

gorosei peed their pants when luffy fruit was confirmed mythic zoan
IMU was shocked to see LOKI fruit and reminded by nika fruit of joyboy.
they are top of them i js call those 3 fruits a exception in top 10
and you know why those fruits are called most dangerous is cuz WG would never let someone know of NIKA and niddhog fruit imo thats why they were called the strongest otherwise they are barely top 5

imo

[ashen perch]

so it obviously hasnt changed

[muted hedge]

if the logias don't have the most batshit awakening, i have a hard time seeing how they'd be the strongest

when we've got literal Nika as a mythical zoan

[iron oriole]

The WG never tried to hide the Nidhoggr fruit

[muted hedge]

the darkness fruit is a special case, probably considered the strongest due to it's ability to negate other fruits

[deep chasm]

logias would be the strongest on average compared to average zoan and average paramecia

oda can just have meant that

not that theyre stronger on average than mythical zoans too

[rare ivy]

Sun God, Nidhogg and Ragnir trio gonna deal damage to Imu for sure

[iron oriole]

Logias are the strongest because 99% of people can't use haki & those that can use haki, its a 50/50 if its strong enough to really hurt

[golden valley]

I mean, the thing is Logia “strongest df” comes from people who wouldn’t have knowledge of other fruits

[balmy field]

are we serious cant we judge the way imu is so familiar and called it "traitor" lmao

[ashen perch]

I dont see how this matters, yes mythical zoans are unbelievably powerful but that doesnt mean every powerful Devil Fruit user needs to be a Mythical Zoan. Dragon will just be good with his logia.

[golden valley]

When the strongest df type being logias was stated who was the ones who said it?

Skypiea people?

[worn beacon]

it was being guarded for centuries, so they didnt really need too

[golden valley]

Didn’t kizaru or someone else in mf also say it

[iron oriole]

Being a traitor ≠ WG hid its existence, Imu didn't even know it was on Elbaf

[ashen perch]

Kizaru, Robin, Raki from Skypiea, Oda in a SBS

[pulsar path]

I feel like logias in the vacuumed of other devil fruit or haki I users is the strongest power up you can simply just get for sure but it definitely isn't what it uses to be

[balmy field]

bro atp🙏 😭

[golden valley]

Hmmm

[iron oriole]

Lili is a traitor, her existence wasn't hidden

[golden valley]

Ok last part is kinda damning but i remember it i think

Its when Oda talked about gura gura iirc

[ashen perch]

oh and Gatz from Dressrosa too

there might be a few more instances, but those are the ones I can recall

[ornate tartan]

by the way Enel still has one of the most devastating attacks in the series with Raigo, and this was early pre timeskip

[rain cedar]

He's right lmaob

Nika is an exception with the fact that they erased it

[deep chasm]

loki mogs I fear

[balmy field]

what it was only know to kozuki and arabasta royal family tbh (KOZUKI might be true and its my theory)

[ornate tartan]

thorheim is better forsure

[rare ivy]

The more people desire/ pray for some power the stronger that devil fruit gets.
Many people regularly prayed the mythical entities and that too for generations that’s why mythical zoans became one of the strongest. That’s my theory

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053238

[ornate tartan]

but raigo is still crazy

[balmy field]

its not confirmed so we might know soon

[ashen perch]

Logia is the bar

[golden valley]

Stop gassing him up bruh

[rain cedar]

I think Imu would've said so the moment he saw Nidhogg

[ashen perch]

"he's a paramecia who isnt any weaker than the logias''

[balmy field]

imo only some people knew about it

[ornate tartan]

he came too early

mans was cold

[ashen perch]

Goro Goro was straight up called invincible by Robin

its not crazy to rate him like that

[balmy field]

dude when was this sbs published?

[pulsar path]

They said katakuri was invincible

[ashen perch]

end of Marineford

[balmy field]

and js tell me was it before or after luffy,kaido,loki fruit reveal or even gorosei

[ornate tartan]

i hope he comes back

he got name dropped in elbaph by usopp

[balmy field]

you js proved my point lmao

[pulsar path]

Tbh enel is more and more the blue print of Imu it's kinda funny

[balmy field]

eneru fruit is the coolest

[warm sierra]

This just feels like setting up the luffy fakeout and not actually scaling to me

[ashen perch]

Has Oda said that things have changed since then? if not, then its irrelevant

[ashen perch]

other way around

[pulsar path]

I think it was how he used his powers with haki as well that made it really cool I wish more chRCters would do this

[pulsar path]

For !**

[golden valley]

oda alr rated him

[maiden smelt]

Do u guys think Oda always planned to have Imu arrive in Elbaf when he first thought of the arc (in like little garden or before)

[rain cedar]

Observation in general is used a bit less compared to armament and CoC

[ashen perch]

yeah I think Imu came first, Enel was like a hint character

[iron oriole]

Enel having probably the best obs in the verse due to using his fruit with it was awesome ngl

[ashen perch]

yeah, but he didnt have much beyond his DF at that point. When he comes back, he's gonna be insane.

[maiden smelt]

He can just detect ppl far away

[pulsar path]

Only thing is enel wasn't dying of air moister in the air like Imu

[muted hedge]

are there still people who think that Shanks will be an villain

[maiden smelt]

Not other useful observation haki things like future sight or emotion detecting

[pulsar path]

Yeah but even so it would be cool to see more power utilize them like how gear 4th does even

[rain cedar]

Observation? Or armament

[pulsar path]

It still haunting if you ask me like I think someone asks soda how strong he would be in the blue and I can't remember what he said but dude would be a terror

[rain cedar]

I mean we do see a lot of characters coating with aCoC now but those are just top tiers

[warm sierra]

coating isnt really combining your df powers with haki anyways

[iron oriole]

He can also hear people because of using his fruit with it

[pulsar path]

What Luffy did was tho

He can't maintain gear 4 th without haki I believe

[iron oriole]

Iirc it was asking Enels bounty in the Blue & Oda said it would be around 500m?

[ashen perch]

The more we get deeper into the arc, the more that feels likely to me yeah. At the very least, I think he had Elbaf as the prelude to the Final War in mind, and thats why it took him so long to finally draw it

[pulsar path]

That was when 500 mill was a crazy bounty tho right?.

[iron oriole]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

I mean not really

we didnt know any top tier's bounty back then lol

[pulsar path]

Right but that's what I mean

Like katakuri was the highest bounty ever and the strongest character to y'all when he dropped

[iron oriole]

Because of that though, 500 is crazy

[pulsar path]

Now like kid law and Luffy are all higher ant they ?

[ashen perch]

It was just 100M higher than Luffy's, who wasnt anything crazy at that point

[rain cedar]

They're all 3 billion. Top tiers

[iron oriole]

I remember when we got 1b, Jack being the first was crazy

[rain cedar]

Jack fizzled out so bad omg

[pulsar path]

Than katakuri bounty really wasn't shit ether tho

[warm sierra]

Jack wasnt just bc of power level though

he was just extra cruel

[ashen perch]

Nah Katakuri is a lot more impressive

[thick mango]

Bounties don't hold up to scrutiny at all they're just a storytelling tool

[ashen perch]

anything above 1b has been a top level bounty

[rain cedar]

Are dorry and broggy worth more than 1 billion

[pulsar path]

Not really when croc just steps up and get double that

[rain cedar]

I forgot how much their bounty is

[pulsar path]

Yeah

Inflation

[ashen perch]

1.8B, 3.6B combined

[deep chasm]

1.8

[rain cedar]

Insane

[ashen perch]

they are legends, it makes sense

[hasty sable]

Nah

[pulsar path]

Bountys rose to fast if you ask me

[ashen perch]

they were the most feared creatures in the world 100 years ago

[rain cedar]

It doesn't hold up strength wise but bounties were never about strength anyway

They're about infamy

[deep chasm]

a little bit

[iron oriole]

The... lurking... legend

[pulsar path]

They are when they need to be and arnt when they don't need to be

[ashen perch]

I havent seen an unreasonable bounty yet

so its fine

[pulsar path]

Well yeah because of bounty creep

[rain cedar]

I mean I assume that bounties regard everything from strength to the resources they have and etc

[ashen perch]

but its a reasonable creep lol

[pulsar path]

I disagree but

[rain cedar]

Dorry and Broggy make sense because giant pirate were the Goats 100 years back

Literally equivalent to Rocks

[pulsar path]

It's a shounen they have to keep one uping them selfs

[ashen perch]

Luffy was already 400M with Marineford, and he was literally crushed like an ant over there

[iron oriole]

Bounty is just like Yonko, its the strength/influence/resources etc that a Pirate has that decides it

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

Shanks being 10x higher than MF Luffy is very reasonable

[pulsar path]

Tbh shanks should t even have a bounty

[deep chasm]

well I dont think anyone is complaining about shanks' bounty

[pulsar path]

I am lol

He's a CD

[deep chasm]

oh

[ashen perch]

the creep has come in very naturally, Jack was used as our first introduction to top tier bounties

[deep chasm]

I mean

he betrayed them

CD's can be seen as enemies too

[pulsar path]

They don't even know tbh

[deep chasm]

one of em got executed dawg

[deep chasm]

?

[rain cedar]

Imu knows and the gorosei probably know

[iron oriole]

So is Doffy, he would have still had his bounty if not for being a Warlord

[pulsar path]

Imu just says he lost contact with shanks and than he got the Nika

[deep chasm]

they clearly know he has betrayed the group now

it was one thing when he was just missing

[ornate tartan]

shanks just disappeared

[deep chasm]

now they would of course be aware he just betrayed them

[ornate tartan]

and the elders proceeded to just offer harald his position

[pulsar path]

Doffy family were excommunicated shanks was brought it and than they didn't know what happen to him he just went mia and who knows maybe Imu hasn't called gods knights back

[iron oriole]

Shamrock says that Shanks chose the lower world, they know he betrayed them

[pulsar path]

He said to Harold you can do what ever you want as long as you answer when I call

[deep chasm]

exactly

it just also is common sense. Shanks is a yonko whos done things in the public eye, obviously they know hes not just missing for 14 years lmao

[ashen perch]

Then we got Cracker at 860M, Smoothie at 932M, Peros at 700M, Katakuri at 1.057B, King at 1.390B and Queen at 1.320B, and then finally we saw how big of a gap existed between an emperor and these guys, it was built up really naturally

[deep chasm]

those examples were not really the bounty inflation things

[pulsar path]

Idk Imu said you can do what ever you want in the blue planet as long as you answer my call

[deep chasm]

and he obviously is not doing that so they know hes betrayed them

[pulsar path]

Shanks was show. To lose an arm

[deep chasm]

and like someone else just said, shamrock says shanks chose the lower world

[pulsar path]

That's where the convenient is

[ashen perch]

they are all an introduction to how big the bounties are going to get

[pulsar path]

Shamrock could just be mad his bro left his ass

[deep chasm]

dawg

[pulsar path]

Untill the gorsei say IDC what shamrock says

[graceful grove]

Why would he be mad about his bro living the homeless man life

[deep chasm]

hmmm shanks suddenly disappeared, has never answered our calls, has a pirate crew again and is a yonko and came to stop marinefor

[pulsar path]

Because it's his brother is disgusting to him

[deep chasm]

I wonder if hes just missing?

that makes 0 sense

[iron oriole]

I think this is only really talking about the 2nd tier sub, since that allows Imu to influence & contact you wherever you are unlike the tier 1 sub which from what Shanks said, only effects you while in Marijoa

[ashen perch]

the point is that they definitely didnt grow too big all of a sudden, Oda got us used to how big these bounties are going to be bit by bit before dropping the Yonko bounties upon us

[pulsar path]

Oh well than even bigger reason to why maybe they think they just lost contact with shanks

[rain cedar]

He's literally an emperor lol

[deep chasm]

this must be trolling

[rain cedar]

They know he's done with them

[pulsar path]

How

[rain cedar]

What do you mean how

[pulsar path]

They literally told Harold he could do what ever he wants

Shanks being a yonko would just be a plus for them

[iron oriole]

Its not like they thought Shanks was just dead

[pulsar path]

I mean tbh

Why would they even accept him coming back the first time

It's obvious he's getting. Special treatment

He's not the son of a gorsei

[iron oriole]

Yes because of his family name

[pulsar path]

Like shamrock and garland didn't hunt his ass down

[rain cedar]

Circumstances were different. They thought they could Brainwash Shanks

[iron oriole]

Figarland are clearly a very prominent family in Marijoa

[pulsar path]

Still they haven't hunted his ass down and he knows about Imu

So

[iron oriole]

Garling was literally sending HKs to get him from Roger

[pulsar path]

It makes zero since why they wouldn't try and kill shanks with all he knows

[iron oriole]

Oh wait you mean later

[opal gulch]

the wg thinks bigger picture... if they can get shanks to join them it adds value

[pulsar path]

Yeah later lol

[rain cedar]

We don't know if Shanks hasnt fought the HK or not

[iron oriole]

He knows theres a "Great One" he's never met them though

[pulsar path]

This is how buggy joined the crew , they ether tried to trade a wife baby( buggy ) or Sommer tried to trade Buggy ( his son) to Roger for shanks and they just took buggy too

[rain cedar]

They could've tried and gotten their asses whooped

[pulsar path]

I thought he did cus he got the mark

[iron oriole]

Nah

Gorosei can give tier 1

[pulsar path]

I mean

[crude nebula]

Who yall got Warcury or Kizaru

[iron oriole]

They gave Harald the tier 1

[pulsar path]

We have not met a holy knight that hasn't met Imu

[hasty sable]

Warcury

[iron oriole]

A tier 1 isn't a HK

[ashen perch]

Shanks was a God's Blade

[ashen perch]

Warcury

[pulsar path]

Omg so we have a lowe shitty class of gods knights do we really need that

They already ass

[opal gulch]

tier1 is a testing phase... t2 and t3 means you become a hk member

[hasty sable]

Shanks should have his contract still unless all you have to do is take off the arm

[pulsar path]

But wasn't shanks telling gabben and trying to tell Harold about Imu..

[iron oriole]

Tier 1's are tools to be used by the HKs

[deep chasm]

I mean kizaru's stronger but he cant kill warcury

[hasty sable]

Wait it was on his upper arm wasn’t it

[crude nebula]

Assume Kizaru can kill him if he destroys his heart

[pulsar path]

Yeah

[deep chasm]

then kizaru

[hasty sable]

So he still can’t resist Imu

[grand flower]

Kizaru high diff

[ashen perch]

Warcury

[grand flower]

The elders haven’t shown Kizaru’s combat skill

[deep chasm]

his upper arm is gone

[opal gulch]

what did they call it "gods blade" or something like that... loyalty test

[grand flower]

Tbh I feel like his soul is still bound to Imu even with the arm removed

[iron oriole]

He was telling Gaban about the existence of a "Great One" & how he could feel the influence while on Marijoa & wanted to stop Harald from going further in the contracts before it was too late

[iron oriole]

Same, its too easy to just remove...

[opal gulch]

we have no idea how theese contracts work... the tatoo might just be a symbol and the contract itself is tethered to one's soul

[grand flower]

Yeah I imagine there has to be some consequence to shanks having the symbol

[rain cedar]

It's only the first tier though

[grand flower]

Nothing insane

[iron oriole]

No buffs or anything but Imu can still influence them if close enough

[grand flower]

Shanks didnt get high enough for imu to track him mentally

[rain cedar]

That implies a range though

[deep chasm]

yes it can be but it seems like a likely idea that the contract goes with the symbol, and thats why shanks was okay with losing the arm

[grand flower]

But he may still be bound to Imu on some spiritual level

[iron oriole]

Yeah, what we know rn is just while within Marijoa

However big that is

[rain cedar]

Shanks is a BB victim anyway so it doesn't matter

[iron oriole]

True

[crude nebula]

Smth gotta be special about mary geoise, Imu only survives there and can only control Shanks over there

[pulsar path]

That's a lot of knowledge about the CD that they don't want people to know shit even knowing there is a great one is damning

[grand flower]

I wonder if it’s because it’s far from the sea

[opal gulch]

i mean, its a clear retcon and you could be right but shanks is being careful of not getting to close for some reason. The man does like to stay on the sidelines. Maybe thats the reason loki called him a coward

[pulsar path]

Shanks is only alive because his brother and father let it be

[crude nebula]

Or the national treasure

[iron oriole]

I mean... he's telling it to someone who knows the truth of the world anyway

[rain cedar]

Shanks is alive because he has a competent crew and the WG wouldn't want to fuck with an emperor directly

[iron oriole]

For we all know anyway, someone could have went after Shanks after stealing the "Gomu" & we just haven't seen it yet

[pulsar path]

It's not about who hes telling it's who he could tell. Like what if he ran into dragon and gave him this info

Dragon had no idea about Imu till sabopoo

He had an idea but and he was even on God valley

Unless she was being silent for some reason

[iron oriole]

With Dragons position in the world, he probably did have some sort of idea

[pulsar path]

I mean he didn't tell anyone in the revs than

Cus even iva was surprised

[iron oriole]

Need to know basis ig

[pulsar path]

But why wouldn't he

I don't think so especially for revs

[warm falcon]

hello, chat, what is the topic?

[deep chasm]

this is really the main time I personally felt oda made dragon look fraudulent

the fact sabo has to tell you of a greater king's existence is kinda disappointing

[pulsar path]

It's a bit like huh but tbh it's also like our knowledge vs theirs ya know?

[opal gulch]

so did last chapter confirm that dragon is on the zaza

[iron oriole]

Idk he kinda speaks in riddles, like with the comment to Kuma about Luffy being his kid

[past flax]

damn laww still has the same pfp

[pulsar path]

True but it also like make since in world some what ? Idk

[pulsar path]

Riddle riddle no mi confirmed

[deep chasm]

brand

[pulsar path]

IV had mine for ten years no one even notices 😔 actually yc did

[rain cedar]

Tbf theyd have to capture someone on the level of the HK at the very least to be aware of imus existence

Sad as it is

The revos are low-key not that strong

[pulsar path]

It does seem like the revs have never gone against the holy knights

[deep chasm]

I mean at the end of the day, Id hope a character like dragon wouldve at least knew there was someone above the gorosei

dont need him to know imu's name

but actually lmao even to that note

[warm falcon]

nepopiece is real 🐀

[deep chasm]

sabo brought up imu, and IVA was the one to connect the dots using history

not even dragon

[rain cedar]

Yeah that's a fair point

[deep chasm]

its just like damn what do you even do

I wouldve been satisfied if dragon was the one to connect the dots there at least

[warm falcon]

wel dragon is a monkey

[pulsar path]

Hmmm dragon still need leaving fraud watch I guess 😔

[past flax]

aint about you today im afraid

[pulsar path]

Even tho he's zaza

[iron oriole]

!thiscommandisforwhendragonlookseast

[tropic nova]

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[pulsar path]

East east bird fruit

[rain cedar]

It's insane that we've got the whole WG line up with Imu, Gorosei and the HK and NOTHING on dragon

[iron oriole]

Vivi is Zaza, if not her its Toto btw

[warm falcon]

dragon has the east wind only fruit

[pulsar path]

We got his god valley usopp moment

[deep chasm]

dragon has to have crazy moments when he shows up

at this point he needs to or else he'll be a huge disappointment

[rain cedar]

Yeah, probably the longest build up of all time

[inner agate]

Dragon liberates the masses revs are big in numbers but mostly regular people they can't spawn in top tiers out of nowhere

[pulsar path]

Toto! I was thinking tho what if the rain god chooses ther subordinates like Imu where both dragon and Vivi have been giving grace by the rain god

[opal gulch]

Im gonna blow your minds. We all think the final villain is going to be either imu or blackbeard.. pretty obvious. I'm starting to think it might be koby. Hear me out. That famous panel back on egghead where vegapunk reveals the importance of finding the one piece for the future of the world we see all the endgame players... koby and imu are next to each other... they mirror joyboy and imu from the past. 1181 imu yaps about what leads to domination... the desire for strength, corruption wich leads to domination.... imu is koby from the past that used to be friends with joyboy but corrupted.

[warm falcon]

whoever is the god of rain, Nami will spread terror incorporating her

[pulsar path]

Like it's not a contract it's just like hey I believe you to take down my enemies or for Vivi maybe lili made a packet

[pulsar path]

At the very least final fight will be koby vs Luffy

[iron oriole]

Koby aint shit

[rain cedar]

Forget about Sanji vs Killy. I want zeus vs Zaza

[pulsar path]

Nami might be the tamer of zaza

Zeus eats zaza

[opal gulch]

Yeah i think its possible... it will be a twist

[pulsar path]

Zuezaza

[hot cairn]

[rain cedar]

Zaza is not gonna last forever though, it's a sleeptid

[iron oriole]

Zeus can't do anything to it rn, Zaza already has the kids kidnapped & you know... lightning in water

[warm falcon]

the battle of Z

[rain cedar]

We have Sanji for that don't we

[pulsar path]

Koby will have a huge role to play but you might be on to something for sure

[iron oriole]

Sanji is gonna be busy with Killingham

[rain cedar]

gets the kids out of the water
Nami destroys Zaza with zeus

[iron oriole]

We have Jimbei for it though

[rain cedar]

Then Sanji vs killy

Yeah Jinbei works as well

[warm falcon]

whoa

[pulsar path]

Yeah straw hats are on fraud watch too

Half then got taken out by Gunko

[iron oriole]

Jimbei is gonna dive inside Zaza & start controlling it

[pulsar path]

Jinbei weakness is being tied up I guess

[iron oriole]

Like a mech

[pulsar path]

That would be awesome

Water mech!!!

[warm falcon]

it'd be cool

[rain cedar]

That only speaks to how strong gunko is. And none of them could've fought anyway with acoc

[pulsar path]

Lien renicpulous

[warm falcon]

oops i tagged wrong, sorry

[pulsar path]

Gunko who for one shot by Loki

[opal gulch]

Most people default to koby being the garp replacement but to me that doesnt make sense... he is no where near as powerful as garp was in the past

[rain cedar]

HK just use Hacks

[pulsar path]

Thank again left to die by Imu

[rain cedar]

Yeah because Loki is broken as well 😭

[pulsar path]

Oh idk hope punch was nuts

[rain cedar]

Why are we talking as if Loki is some fodder character

[pulsar path]

He really isn't tho

Bro is being turned out by Imu

[iron oriole]

Nah remove their regen & Gunko is still really strong, they'd just switch up their fighting style

[rain cedar]

YES BECAUSE IMU IS THE FINAL BOSS 😭

This has to be ragebait

[pulsar path]

Imu is not the final boss if we seeing him fight now

[thick mango]

Imu is bb's final meal

[urban lodge]

That's not really an argument

[pulsar path]

This

[iron oriole]

That makes no sense

[warm falcon]

absolute cinema

[urban lodge]

We saw Blackbeard way back

[iron oriole]

We've seen BB fight multiple times

[rain cedar]

I agree, yeah but it's still the Regen which carries them really hard

[warm falcon]

altho Kobi has a long way to conquer the fans

[pulsar path]

We really haven't tho

Literally the off screen king

[warm sierra]

???

[ashen perch]

BB has literally had a full fight onscreen lol

[opal gulch]

also the story will wrap up in 1-2 years time(one piece years) and koby will not be figthing any of the top level players in the final war given is current power

[warm sierra]

Cant judge BB before he gets his third fruit

[urban lodge]

Give Koby like 2 weeks in universe and he'll be admiral level

[warm falcon]

i like how this story can conclude in several ways before the true ending, the richness

[rain cedar]

He will get aCoC someway or the other

[thick mango]

If you don't think koby will be a huge part of the end idk what story you're reading

[pulsar path]

I don't think we have ever seen BB at full power go all out

Vs Ace like BB was only half the man he is today

[ashen perch]

okay, thats not the case with Imu either

[pulsar path]

I feel like we are seeing a lot of Imu here

[ashen perch]

We've seen a lot more Blackbeard lol

[warm sierra]

it has been like 3 chapters lol

[pulsar path]

He uses the same techniques

[urban lodge]

Obviously nowhere near all Imu is capable of

[iron oriole]

This is just a taste of Imu

[pulsar path]

We definitely have seen Imu use more moves

[warm falcon]

imu is the final boss, but not the final duel.. (i guess i said the obvious?)

[ashen perch]

Imu could be here for 15 more chapters and he would still only equal BB's screentime

[deep chasm]

well whos the final duel then

[urban lodge]

Buggy

[deep chasm]

usually whoever the final duel is, is also final villain unleess its on some casual rivalry shit

[warm falcon]

vs Coby and Blackbeard

[pulsar path]

Now change that the fight screen time

[deep chasm]

coby...

if blackbeard is there, that would just count as BB being the final boss

[hot cairn]

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[deep chasm]

trying to force usopp aura

[pulsar path]

God valley, Gunko and current Imu

That's more than bb

[opal gulch]

sure, but that would be some asspull by oda

[warm falcon]

its a battle of ideals

[pulsar path]

And Sabo fight

[rain cedar]

The hate is crazy

[deep chasm]

not even hate

usopp aura is just forced

"usopp's arc" 💔

[rain cedar]

Idk what you're on about. Both Luffy and Zoro unlocked it by just fighting. Koby will probably get it that way or someone will teach him

[pulsar path]

Most mariens don't have coc cus there government dogs you can't conquer as a lacky

[rain cedar]

Who says Elbaf is finished

[pulsar path]

Bro picking up the hammer

[ashen perch]

Teach vs. Ace
Teach vs. Hannyabal and ID Guards
Teach then lost swifly to Magellan along with his crew
Teach vs. Luffy (interrupted by Jinbe)
Teach vs. WB
Teach vs. Fleet Admiral Sengoku
Teach vs. S-Hawk
Teach vs. Boa Hancock
Teach (along with his crew) v Law (along with his crew)

thats a lot really

[urban lodge]

Usopp is not getting ragnir

Why do Usopp fans want bad things

[worn beacon]

no one unironically thought he would

[deep chasm]

what else do you think hes gonna do

[rain cedar]

Just give his Kabuto a DF or smth

[opal gulch]

both luffy and zoro trained for years and years ... and then they got stronger by fighting difficult opponents. Koby was a very weak character. Sure he got training from the best(garp) but him getting to that level this quickly is dumb

[urban lodge]

You'd be surprised...

[pulsar path]

Yeah most the time they show like the same technique being used tho and than it goes straight to of screen majority of the time

[rain cedar]

Nah there's potential left. I don't think that speech was the only thing, there's more left

[deep chasm]

but like what else do you think he'll do

[ashen perch]

Meanwhile Imu:
Imu v Zoro and New Giant Pirates (not a real fight)
Imu v Sanji (not a real fight)
Imu v Loki (first real fight)

[rain cedar]

You said it yourself, he was under garp. Koby Is not gonna become irrelevant

[pulsar path]

Introduced like four arcs ago mind you

[ashen perch]

most of these arent real fights

[urban lodge]

Battleship bags is a better explanation than 99% of power ups in the series

[worn beacon]

Koby awakening ACOA makes sense. Its stated several times that you can only train up your haki to a certain extent, but it can only really 'blossom' in the heat of battle. Koby had pretty good haki proficiency at post timeskip

[pulsar path]

Most of bb arnt real fights

[opal gulch]

I never said he was. I think he's gonna be super important for the endgame.. but just not in the way you think he will. He's the next vessel for the devil after imu dies

[rain cedar]

My guess is that he will be the one to send Imu back thus making him a hero of Elbaf of sorts. I can't really tell anything in concrete though because it's next to impossible to predict one piece chapters

[pulsar path]

My point is Evey time bb fights it off screened

[ashen perch]

He's a silhouette in 99% of these, thats less than what can be said about BB

[pulsar path]

We have seen more of Imu abilitys and powers than we have bb

[stone tulip]

Because some fans don’t understand their characters at all

[rain cedar]

[urban lodge]

They think being strong is what he needs

[pulsar path]

If you list Imu power and abilities right now they will put shadow everything know about bb

[urban lodge]

When that doesn't solve anything and completely goes against his character

[opal gulch]

why not... of all the characters in that egghead panel most make sense... but kobys purpose doesnt

[ashen perch]

He didnt even fight as Saturn
He didnt fight Sabo
Brogy was one attack, Dorry was offscreened
Brook and Usopp offscreened
Luffy and Loki was another silhouette ''fight''
Zoro, NGP and Sanji all one attacks

[worn beacon]

it does, inst he supposed to be the future of the marines?

[rain cedar]

Why do you think it doesn't make sense

[pulsar path]

Your missing the point we have seen more of Imu techniques and powers than we have bb

[urban lodge]

But that's also not true

[pulsar path]

We even have better guess about his body than we do bb

[ashen perch]

yeah thats not true either

[pulsar path]

Okaaaau

Sure guys

[muted hedge]

what's the discussion about?

[deep chasm]

how he gonna do that

[opal gulch]

Because outside of buggy he has no business fighting anyone in thoose panels... he is not at that level at all

[tough igloo]

what techniques have we seen from Teach ? i can’t remember lol

i just remember black hole , black vortex & Tremor crush

[pulsar path]

Exactly

[rain cedar]

That's why I said he'll get a powerup. Most probably aCoC

[pulsar path]

And half of em were white beards

Blackay whoooolaayy

[tough igloo]

how many of Imu’s have we seen ? not a lot right ? i can’t remember that either lol i just remember omen and domi reversi

[pulsar path]

That's how you say black whole in Japanese

[opal gulch]

it might happen but i hope it doesnt... cause that would suck storywise

[ashen perch]

He used multiple nameless attacks with Gura in Marineford, he used Tremor Crush against Law. He used Liberation, Black Vortex and Black Hole against Ace along with multiple nameless attacks.

Imu's had Omen, Domi Reversi, Gazing Eclipse and Nemesis.

4 v 4.

[pulsar path]

I mean we maybe not have gotten names for everything but we have seen a lot of unarmed techniques from bullets to explosions to size changes to possession and Domi reverso

[ashen perch]

Domi Reversi isnt even a fighting technique

so its more like 3v4

[rain cedar]

Im thinking something like Imu vs Loki & Luffy where Imu manages to win out against both of them barely. That leaves Usopp to shoot the finishing blow and tipping Imu just over the edge to the point he sustains too much damage outside of Mary geoise and he has to turn back

[tough igloo]

meanwhile Mihawk & Dragon still waiting for Oda to give them one named attack lol

we just got WB first named attack this arc which is wild lol Oda had Teach do a named attack with the gura gura before WB

[ashen perch]

I dont think named attacks really matter anyways, WB got his first named attack like 500+ chapters after his death, after he did a shitton of fighting in Marineford

[urban lodge]

And idk why number of attacks is an argument anyway, how does that matter

[stone tulip]

He just needs to improve on his observation Haki and that’s it

[tough igloo]

i do think he needs better ammo

stronger ammo

[ornate tartan]

noo they don’t pal

[rain cedar]

Need to feed his Kabuto a DF or smth imo

[tough igloo]

i had my hopes up in wano thinking Oda would give Usopp some sea stone ammo

[pulsar path]

Just fyi in one chapter Imu can have more attacks than black beard in just saying

[ornate tartan]

but we also have to understand usopp character development isn’t over in elbaph

[rain cedar]

Would be creative and he would also avoid the weakness of drowning

[warm sierra]

Maybe Elbaf has some crazy pop greens

[pulsar path]

We are seeing a lot of Imu at the same time

I don't see us fighting him again

[ashen perch]

this isnt true either...

[pulsar path]

Unless he has a whole transformation

Bro I'm done he already has almost as many tech as bb.

[stone tulip]

I mean Kuro Kabuto is versatile cause it allows Usopp to basically shoot anything he wants and I think he can improve his pop green through Vegapunk technology

[tough igloo]

true , a lot of usopp fans just convinced themselves that elbaf will be the arc where Usopp will get all his upgrades/power up’s

[tough igloo]

facts , Lilith upgraded Franky , she needs to do Usopp next lol

[ashen perch]

BB introduced Black Hole, Vortex and Liberation in the same chapter against Ace. Meanwhile, Imu only used Omen in his first chapter, Nemesis in his 2nd, and Gazing Eclipse in his 3rd. Yeah he'll add a 4th,5th,6th, etc here but it doesnt really matter

[opal gulch]

We have been given hint that imu is on borrowed time in the world of plebs... so my guess hes gonna run out of time while fighting luffy but they will escape with ome of the elbaph kids

[tough igloo]

yeah that’s seems to be the most likely case

[ashen perch]

Imu's here to give us a taste of him

[tough igloo]

they fail here cause Imu runs out of time

[ornate tartan]

everything to these folks is about powerscaling and uunga buunga shit

[ashen perch]

he'll be gone as soon as Oda's done giving us enough of Imu

[ornate tartan]

that’s why people think mihawk and BB aren’t that strong when narratively they are, just because they are “featless”

[ashen perch]

Which I dunno, could be a while. I feel like Oda sees this as a bit of a catching up

[urban lodge]

Imu just needs to beat Luffy's ass for a bit and talk about Joyboy to him

[tough igloo]

when usopp fans stop expecting usopp to be like yasopp , they’ll be able to enjoy usopp better lol

[stone tulip]

I mean the only thing I had expected was him at least some character moment which we did get that when he stood up against Imu but arc isn’t over anyways so maybe we might see more

[opal gulch]

mihawks biggest feat is his eye color

[ashen perch]

because Imu's been so disconnected with our protagonists throughout the series, this is how he plans to really BRAND them on their minds permanently

[pulsar path]

It's the context of onepeice we have never seen a villain show this much in an arc and that. Come back another arc

Not saying it can't be different but

Like we ant seeing the gorsei fight straw hats again

[ashen perch]

???

youre insane

[pulsar path]

Maybe a different group but

[stone tulip]

Usopp will become better than Yasopp and surpass him at doing one thing he couldn’t do…coming back to his loved ones alive that is

[ashen perch]

why would Zoro not fight Nusjuro 😭

[pulsar path]

I mean I would like that but I think they will be fighting a different group

[ashen perch]

theres not going to be a different group man

[ornate tartan]

he will be a brave warrior of the sea and inspire the entire nation and his crew and also he will put his life on the line himself in the next couple of chapters and i think this is where he finally drops his cowardice act for good and believes in himself from here on out

[pulsar path]

Revs!

Seakings!

[ashen perch]

Egghead was all about giving us a taste of the Gorosei too, its the same thing here

[opal gulch]

one thing i did like at the end of last chapter was that both sanji and zoro seemed really pissed off... Maybe they heard about all the memes about how they got destroyed by the fans so they need to make up for it thats my headcanon

[pulsar path]

How many sea kings do we have

[ornate tartan]

a lot of people don’t understand that one of the main reasons he fought luffy in water 7 is because he thought he wasn’t good enough to keep up with the crew but they think he was being selfish lmao

[pulsar path]

Didn't they show five when they greeted Luffy

[ashen perch]

they are not about to fight seakings that are under the control of an ally nor are they about to fight the comrades of the father that deeply loves his son

[pulsar path]

Will see

[ashen perch]

also Crocodile is back yknow

[hasty sable]

Vira arc when

[ashen perch]

the guy who literally had a whole saga dedicated to his defeat

[pulsar path]

Yeah but is he fighting Luffy again

[ashen perch]

he's fighting Sanji

[opal gulch]

once this war thing in elbaph is over i demand some cross guild chapters... oda owes us

[hasty sable]

Croc won’t fight anyone I’m sure

[ashen perch]

why not lol

thats silly

[pulsar path]

Ahh okay Imu can fight Zoro while Luffy is fighting bb

[hasty sable]

He won’t be a main straw hat fight I mean

[rain cedar]

What are Vira fans without road to laughtale

[ashen perch]

BB fought Luffy in Impel Down

[pulsar path]

That was a troll lmao

[ashen perch]

time to give BB to Dragon with this same logic

[hasty sable]

Only Mihawk for Zoro

[ashen perch]

so Luffy can fight a secret 3rd villain

[pulsar path]

Okay tho I do count this as a clash most people disregard it as a fight!

[ashen perch]

it was a fight, it just got interrupted

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think blackbeard is going down before imu what yall think

[ashen perch]

a clash is more like WB v Oden

or WB v Roger

[pulsar path]

Zaza? Or boko boko( ain't that the sound of earth in Japanese lol)

[hasty sable]

Listen, Calvin. There are two kind of One Piece battles. Clashes and fights.

[pulsar path]

Naaaazzu

Zuzuzu the earth god

[ashen perch]

( no he's not fighting a secret 3rd villain 😭 )

[raven marten]

The current rain god user user is definitely working with the world government (and no it’s not dragon)

Probably the man marked by flames

[pulsar path]

Nope you said it and now if it happens you get FULL credit

[muted hedge]

i think the current rain god has to be Vivi

[pulsar path]

I'm joshin ya Arsal

[pulsar path]

No one likes my idea that the rain god gives blessing to its follows huh

[fervent fable]

Dragon is wind logia

[pulsar path]

They are both on the third covenant of the rain god

[raven marten]

What makes you think that

[pulsar path]

Vivi from lili and dragon from meeting zaza directly

[opal gulch]

if dragon didnt get the zaza fruit then what fruit did he get... remember back in loguetown he was literally introduced as black clouds came in with rain and "zaza" words in the panels... its like oda spelling it outloud for us

[pulsar path]

She called the rain in alabasta

[raven marten]

What would make you think that

[warm falcon]

@royal orchid @fallen meteor @ashen rose @primal abyss @warm vector Let's play. Find 15 words related to Alabasta arc.

[pulsar path]

Because both dragon and Vivi being the rain

[fervent fable]

I am betting all on dragon being a logia

[ornate tartan]

no mention of god of sea in skypeia and no mention of god of rain in the mural

[twin heron]

Robin agenda 🙏

[ornate tartan]

so what’s the chances they are the same?

[muted hedge]

mostly because it would explain why Imu desires her specifically

[pulsar path]

I think we have many gods that arnt always talked about

[ornate tartan]

more then 5 would be a lil too much

[twin heron]

@wooden gazelle

[pulsar path]

Infact we don't have a sun god it's a title not a an actule god

[raven marten]

Is that all takes for you to believe that?

I think there is a moon god

[pulsar path]

Dragon and Vivi have both only brought the rain once

It's 50/50

[raven marten]

Her being the current netfari d lilly explains it already

[muted hedge]

not really

[pulsar path]

BB would be the moon god but also Imu is using eclipse references

[muted hedge]

Lily might've been the previous Zaza

[ornate tartan]

garling 🌙

[opal gulch]

what does that mean... croc brought some of the rain rain powder from alabasta to loguetown for the agenda

[pulsar path]

But also xebec did

[raven marten]

I still think it’s the man marked by flames. He is working with the world government to stop people from teaching laugh tale.

[muted hedge]

Lily transporting the poneglyphs via water would make a lot of sense

[warm falcon]

castilian is close enough to play as well i guess

[muted hedge]

so her being Zaza is something i'm rooting for

[pulsar path]

Yeah but whiepools can't be started from rain

But maybe

[ornate tartan]

man marked by flames uses his wind logia power to create whirlpools and speed up his ship

[raven marten]

the rain god fruit is a lot better then the sun god from what we hearing and seeing

[pulsar path]

Tbh Imu or Imu devil was the first world Nika

Lucifer means morning star

[raven marten]

Could be

[pulsar path]

Lucifer falls from grace and becomes Satan / the devil

Demons

[raven marten]

True

[opal gulch]

People in here that think dragon is not the user of the zaza fruit are high on something... maybe zaza

[ornate tartan]

he isn’t

[pulsar path]

Tbh

If you can't see how both can be the rain god

[muted hedge]

it would be extremely weird given he just called Luffy "Nika"

[stone terrace]

That will age well

[twin heron]

oh im sorry maybe i shouldnt have pinged her 😔

[raven marten]

I think he has some desk desk no mi

He has always excuses to avoid battle

[twin heron]

couple tiktok theoriess about her being the rain god im too lazy to type it rn

[pulsar path]

I mean who said that was Imu or the devil talking because they seem to be switching personalitys

[muted hedge]

eh?

[ornate tartan]

i’d just be glad to see dragon getting real live panels of him doing stuff in the present time

his devil fruit can be whatever atp

[muted hedge]

Imu is the devil

[raven marten]

True

[raven marten]

Seems like it.

[pulsar path]

Imu made a contract with a devil

[muted hedge]

no, i think Imu literally is the devil

the devil of this manga is Imu

[pulsar path]

Than why would him and joy boy been friend

He was not the devil at that time

[opal gulch]

oda loves to give us a character and then wait for 20 years to reveal the truth... thats dragon.. why has he hidden his obvious df power for so long

[raven marten]

After the triller bark arc we saw the P- triangle. That must have something to do with imu and the devils, or zunehsas clan

[unkempt dagger]

Son…

[pulsar path]

Why else would he be familiar with elbaf and rat

He was the one fighting them

[raven marten]

It could also be that joyboy was evil

[opal gulch]

its like chopper being the forest god... i dont think he is

[pulsar path]

True

[raven marten]

Yeah true he must be op

[unkempt dagger]

Both Imu and Joyboy have their ideologies of Dominion

[pulsar path]

Yeah idk doesn't add up to me

[muted hedge]

the devil blending in with the ordinary doesn't add up?

[raven marten]

Guys we also gotta think of the fact that joyboy and every other major characters like zaza etc was also evil then became good

[muted hedge]

it's a very common trope

[raven marten]

I think chopper got the forest fruit

[pulsar path]

I mean the issue is who's a devil and who's a god

[twin heron]

Why do you think he can slap people out of domi reversi then?

[warm falcon]

np

[opal gulch]

most characters with any power get a name and a df power... we know dragon has a df power... but oda hasnt revealed it for reasons... now we know its one of the god fruits

[muted hedge]

we don't know that lol

[opal gulch]

I have no idea tbh. And i'm not ruling it out, its just a feeling

[raven marten]

That doesn’t make it automatically a god fruit. It could be a mythical type of fruit

[trim lily]

do people really want more god retcons

[pulsar path]

My issue is who says zaza is a fruit

[muted hedge]

i do

[pulsar path]

It could be the physical god

[raven marten]

It was said that the forest god had the ability to tame demons. Which makes chopper a bit candidate since he is doing that right now

[muted hedge]

i love god piece

[pulsar path]

Is it a retcon ?

Rain god was in Skype

[ashen rose]

Guerra. Revolução. Governo Mundial. Só isso pra falar a vdd

[opal gulch]

so you dont get what im saying. A random mythical fruit is not spoiling the story ... a god fruit is

[trim lily]

truly such a varied world we live in

[raven marten]

The forest god fruit doesn’t look like a pvp fruit more like supportive

[raven marten]

That makes more sense

Loki is probably the earth god fruit and was the person roger was talking about

him and shiraohsi was the 2 important person roger was talking about

[muted hedge]

huh

[opal gulch]

Yes, you might be right that he is the forest god df user... since we never got a proper name from his fruit... so like i said its purely based on feeling that im not sure he is the forest god fruit user

[muted hedge]

first time hearing that Loki is the earth god, lol

[raven marten]

Yeah

[rich hornet]

Yeah that’s a strange one

[raven marten]

I assume the user of the earth god to be super big w

[muted hedge]

what does Loki have which makes you think oh yeah he is the earth god

other than that he is a big guy

[rich hornet]

Is it the sky based powers perhaps

[trim lily]

the earth god is just titan from final fantasy

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hercules-hades-32--k01KREFGEAEY2X31R4HNEJE6GMJ

[opal gulch]

some people have said the tremor tremor fruit is a earth god fruit

[raven marten]

Imu instantly recognizing what the fruit is.

[raven marten]

😭

[trim lily]

he also recognized ragnir

[muted hedge]

Nidhoggr? the power of the previous god of war who hailed from Elbaph and had a companion which was Ragnir

[raven marten]

Yeah

[opal gulch]

yeah the hammer has been around since the first age... at some point the hammer ate the fruit...hes one of the og's

[raven marten]

I don’t really know i’m just guessing here

[muted hedge]

explains a lot actually

[wooden gazelle]

ohhh ill try to play later 🔥🔥

[raven marten]

But at the moment i see luffy and loki getting dogged on (specifically loki)

Loki is getting disrespected like crazy

[muted hedge]

Imu is thriving in nostalgia

[trim lily]

i feel like loki has been doing pretty decently here actually lol

imu had to protect themself and took a bit of damage from him

[opal gulch]

atm imu is not impressing me at all, both loki and possibly luffy can fight with him ...

[trim lily]

well imu is still gonna win

[muted hedge]

Imu hasn't been trying really, Loki himself took notice of that when he said that Imu is still lost in thought

[trim lily]

they’re reminiscing first

[muted hedge]

Imu hasn't even been calling Loki by his name, just as 'Nidhoggr'

[raven marten]

Yeah true but he wouldn’t land that hit if she wasn’t distracted. Imu 2 tapped him probably the third attack would have knocked him out.

[opal gulch]

im not so sure about that... i think he will run out of time

[raven marten]

Imu is weakened

[trim lily]

granted imu should probably be hurrying a bit more given he’s probably on a timer

[opal gulch]

and then get ambushed by bb's crew in mj and get killed good riddance

[trim lily]

lol

[raven marten]

Are you reading the manga

[muted hedge]

i'd probably drop the story if that happens

genuinely

[raven marten]

This is a weakened imu

Keep in mind loki is getting low diffed

[rich hornet]

Running out of time is the only thing that will keep the heroes from getting murdered

[opal gulch]

yes i am. Loki and luffy are way stronger than sanji and zoro... they are not strong enough to fight imu

[trim lily]

that’s correct

[raven marten]

Let’s be honest bb can’t touch imu. He is a fraud if it’s on screen

[opal gulch]

bb is protected by plot armor and offscreen mechanics... the story will let him win

[pulsar path]

I mean tbh I bet his fruit is just the anti Imu fruit

The darkness where the devil came from

[trim lily]

i mean it’s the anti devil fruit power

that includes imu

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard will still need the help from Luffy

[pulsar path]

BB did say something that was crazy during the ace fight what was it

[muted hedge]

it's so obvious that they're going to team up against Imu

[trim lily]

nuh uh

[pulsar path]

The power of something

[ashen perch]

maybe*

[trim lily]

probably

whatever power imu has is at least devil fruit adjacent

[pulsar path]

Unless there a cyborg

Maybe that's why it doesn't like rain lol

[opal gulch]

one of bb's awakened df abilities is to cut off the fight and let us watch a bunch of episodes and come back and he has won the fight... truly the best fruit in one piece

[raven marten]

Being stronger then zoro is not a big thing if you have the mouth to say “I can take down any pirate crews of your liking”

[pulsar path]

Gets into the cracks and makes him malfunction

[muted hedge]

i already hate where this conversation is going

[ashen perch]

I am leaning towards him being the devil even more now that its looking like he was from the first world

[raven marten]

Probably true

[muted hedge]

i do too, he is the root of all evil

the literal devil

void century:

[opal gulch]

loki is doing just fine against imu right now... imu just did some zoro "huff huff" larping this chapter... so he was hurt... luffy is joining soon... i need imu to lock in and kill usopp for his slander of calling him a coward... we need the story to get serious and have some stakes

[muted hedge]

Imu is hurt by the lower world, just as Sommers said his body isn't made for it

[trim lily]

i think you might just want usopp dead rather than stakes

[pulsar path]

I think it's two entities, and nerona made a contract with the devil for power

Or who ever king keeps the power

[opal gulch]

i really dont mind usopp at all i think he is funny. But im also willing to sacrifice him for some good story and excitement

[muted hedge]

that's bullshit

willing to sacrifice a main crewmember just for some excitement lol

[trim lily]

if anything i think him dying would be worse for the story

[muted hedge]

Usopp needs to see Luffy accomplish his dream, period

[trim lily]

one piece isn’t the kind of the story where any of the strawhats will or should die until at least the epilogue

[rich hornet]

It’s not happening regardless

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/aikatsu-akari-ozora-anime-idol-アイカツ-gif-26461186

[trim lily]

yeah

[opal gulch]

usopp, i dont think i would be happy seing any of the other members die... but if it made the story better then sure

[muted hedge]

crazy

it would ruin the story for me

[opal gulch]

why?

[rich hornet]

It doesn’t

[muted hedge]

if any of the straw hats weren't there to see Luffy accomplish his dream

the literal cataclyst to why they're there in the first place

[ashen perch]

Imu's gonna kill, it wont be one of the SHs

[trim lily]

kill road

[rich hornet]

Jarul has a foot in the grave

Maybe scopper

[trim lily]

jarul is basically dead anyway so he doesn’t count

[muted hedge]

Imu didn't seem to care about Jarul when he was in the village

[ashen perch]

I think Jarul's gonna join in on the fight and die

[warm falcon]

@ashen rose try to see by reverse, vertical, diagonal

[muted hedge]

so i don't think Jarul is as likely to die anymore

[ashen perch]

he's protected

[trim lily]

scopper dying would be good

[ashen perch]

he had something to tell to the SHs after everything was resolved, he will be fine

[opal gulch]

Think about what you just said. If the story takes no chances and makes you feel safe... Then the story lacks stakes ...

[pulsar path]

If Oda just make brook able to commutnicate with the dead we could kill anyone's

[trim lily]

well the stakes here are on whether elbaf will fall or not

[rich hornet]

They could conveniently find his journal. Or it’s his dying message

[muted hedge]

stakes can be a thing even if not a main crewmember dies

that's just silly

[trim lily]

of course we know the strawhats won’t die from a meta perspective

but the worrisome part is what will happen if they lose or the things around them

[pulsar path]

Gaben : shanks wants ....his ....hat.....back......💀

[opal gulch]

well its not silly at all... if you go into war or take a big risk... you could lose something....

[muted hedge]

yeah but not a main crewmember who needs to see Luffy's dream be achieved

that's just stupid

you don't need to hide your hate for Usopp lol

[rich hornet]

IDK how you get 1100 chapters in and think this is a real possibility

[ashen perch]

Eh I still doubt it, he had his little moment of almost dying against Gunko, he'll be fine

[rich hornet]

I think so too. He’s just the second most likely from my perspective

[opal gulch]

usopp was just an example... doesnt need to be him... but my point is that the author oda makes sure that we are all chilling.... when was the last time we got stressed out in the story

[rich hornet]

I had a slight cortisol spike when Nusjuro started wiping out all the pacifistas lol

[opal gulch]

for me it was when the team met up with bm and kaido on the rooftop.. i felt like we had 0 chance

[ashen perch]

I think in terms of likelihood its:

Jarul
Dorry
Brogy
Gunko after she comes back to her real self
Goldberg/Rodo (both somehow managed to avoid an injury from Imu)

anyone else pretty much has a 0% chance really

[rich hornet]

I feel the same about the ogres as Scopper because they had their climactic death moment already

[small ledge]

Gaban

[opal gulch]

and it doesnt help that oda has told us that he makes sure that people dont die normally in the series

[ashen perch]

I just feel like itd make sense for Elbaf to be left with only one legend again

so that the New Giant Pirates can take the spotlight

Brogy has a lesser chance of dying because without his arm, he's in a bit of a weakened state like Jarul was, so he wouldnt have to really play a big role again

[iron oriole]

Arsal wasn't you arguing with me how Dorry & Brogy both need to live to help Hajrudin

[rich hornet]

What if they got both Dory and Jarul

[muted hedge]

i've probably never been as excited as i was when Imu stated their departure from Marijoa

[opal gulch]

if loki ends up dying i would be really sad... i hated that ida had to die she was imo one of the best characters post time skip

[ashen perch]

tbh I did say it only needs to be one of them

[muted hedge]

Imu showing up, themselves, is SUCH a big fucking deal

it still feels surreal

[ashen perch]

one elder like Jarul

[hasty sable]

Usopp dying could have been cool. But it should have happened when he called Imu a coward.

[opal gulch]

i honestly thought he was gonna gather up the troops... the frozen ancient giants on punk hazzard... pluton... and who knows what

[hasty sable]

He’s safe ofc

[ashen perch]

Jarul definitely has the highest chance of dying though, and with that Oda could basically call it a day on deaths here lol, I dont think its a big deal

Usopp dying definitely would not have been cool

[dense reef]

I think either Brook or Gunko is gonna die

[iron oriole]

Jarul should definitely be dying

Imu needs to pull the sword out