also-manga

[final trench]

I think the flower fruit is a byproduct of imu perhaps

#blamesaturn

[grand flower]

Of course!

[stone tulip]

Not really cause outside of Loguetown he didn’t use rain in other instances especially grey terminal

Btw @ornate tartan

[trim lily]

greedy vivi getting both a paw fruit and being a shirahoshi-like

[stone tulip]

Especially with Nika implied to be unique case in Harley text due to how he was written in quotations compared to other gods too

[fervent fable]

Elephant elephant fruit model mythical zoan zunesha

[stone tulip]

Nah I don’t believe she is getting Paw fruit at all

[ornate tartan]

Yes she easily has the best shot

[rose rune]

it's clearly shiriyu of the rain

[ornate tartan]

I recalled the alabasta moment with the rain

and how the conflict was centered around dance power

[stone tulip]

Exactly like it makes so much sense and actually connects the dots with Arabasta as a whole

[stone tulip]

Rainbase as well which is one of more important locations in Arabasta arc

[trim lily]

now that’s a theory

it’s even in his name

[final trench]

Cant stop the rain

[stone tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/book-water-water-writing-water-book-his-writing-is-water-writing-gif-10086019317602352185

[final trench]

Shiryu from yano tho

#trust

[prisma yacht]

Nami is 20 rn right

[ornate tartan]

lily could be the one that got mad after joyboy death too

[final trench]

I believe so yea

If not 20 then 21

[ornate tartan]

fake age

[prisma yacht]

Confirmed?

[prisma yacht]

Wdym

[stone tulip]

Possible if Artur was right about Zaza having multiple titles

Cause Earth god also have it too

[final trench]

Nami 50

[prisma yacht]

She's 20 in the wiki ok so

God valley was 38 years ago

[final trench]

Oykot but a likely hunting ground for the CDs

[grand flower]

That’s a good point

[ornate tartan]

she might be way older then that not physically but she got infected by a bug bite in little garden that other ppl were immune too at this point i think

[grand flower]

He put out the fire with wind when rain was an option?

[ornate tartan]

like aang

[grand flower]

Not immune

[prisma yacht]

Celestial dragons hunting game occurs in every 3 year

[grand flower]

The virus was considered extinct

Becausw the bug is extinct

[rose rune]

that's what she said.
eheheh

😔

[grand flower]

Little garden is frozen in time

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-tom-tom-and-jerry-bag-on-stick-leaving-with-a-bag-on-a-stick-gif-12036591539345674013

[grand flower]

Also isn’t interesting that the first giant arc is frozen in time and we have time dilation here @ashen perch @stone tulip

And also Luffy will travel back in time

Maybe it was meant to be Elbaph all along and not egghead

IG I was wrong about something

Who could have imagined

[final trench]

Nomore time travel

But i believe time is slowed down in elbaf

[grand flower]

Ima show Yall sumn in Western series

Hold on

[final trench]

Itebet

[stone tulip]

Plus I feel like Oda would have made it more obvious with the parallels especially with genders as well so kinda narrows down too.

[stone tulip]

Still not convinced about time dilation theory especially what happened at mariejose

[grand flower]

Well that’s the thing, the destruction in Marijoa came and went over the course of this one morning/afternoon. when imu was leaving, the buildings were damaged, but no debris like smoke

Settled damage

[ashen perch]

I have pointed this out

[final trench]

Also people were screaming

[warm sierra]

Nah, that was sfx for fire burning

[ashen perch]

Little Garden was frozen in time, and was very very unusual in how long it took for the log pose to lock in to the place. We've never seen it take a full year anywhere else.

[final trench]

But yea

Giants age 3x slower than everyone else

“Do not linger”

Gaban messing up the time its been since he seen shanks

Imu rushing them

The problem at the holylands being settled fairly quick

• the yamato cover story

[grand flower]

Not so

[sturdy steeple]

They nailed the ones we had so far so surely. Might be my favourite batch after WCI.

[grand flower]

It’s the SFX Oda uses for loud crowds in general

[warm sierra]

The giants aging thing doesnt make sense to bring in here bc there are giants living outside of elbaf that also dont age like normal

[grand flower]

Which can be the CDs angry they don’t have lobster

[sturdy steeple]

Which I don't think outright disqualifies him. We haven't seen him do anything if we're being real lol

[grand flower]

I don’t think giant aging has anything to do with the time dilation

[final trench]

Ah

[warm sierra]

Arguing about the SFX is pointless before the anime gets there imo

[sturdy steeple]

I also feel like Dragon having the fruit of a God that all CDs fear is fitting.

[ashen perch]

But it can explain why the time dilation wouldn't matter to them, its relevant in that regard atleast

[sturdy steeple]

But then again, even if it's not Dragon I still expect it to be a devil fruit user. It's just my theory. Might be wrong

[golden jacinth]

He wont have the rain god fruit. He either has a weather paramecia or wind logia or he doesnt use any fruit and uses dragon claw fist

[warm sierra]

Sure but I took it more as people saying time dilation is the reason for the aging

[final trench]

True but i feel like dragon is more wind related

[sturdy steeple]

So far all of that is just an assumption too lol

[warm sierra]

If he is another reincarnation why does Imu not seem to care about him then

[stone tulip]

Still not sure about it but we will see

[ashen perch]

Oh true yeah, I don't think its making them age any different either

[grand flower]

How would you explain the crisis passing by and the damage being settled?

[golden jacinth]

I mean rain god is vivi probably. She has summoned rain in alabasta. So idk what else power would dragon have except one of these

[stone tulip]

I disagree cause we had seen him use more wind powers than rain cause again why didn’t it rain at grey terminal like why use the wind instead ?

[sturdy steeple]

I mean, Imu is fixated mostly on Joyboy.

So ask him.

[past flax]

At it again free thinkers?

[grand flower]

@ashen perch @stone tulip @hot cairn Imu is a relic of the past influencing the future

Luffy, as his alleged opposite, will be a beacon from the future influencing the past

[warm sierra]

He had the flashback and cared about roger, xebec etc too. No hint of dragon at all

[prisma yacht]

The time oykot happened and the time when harald was promoted to abyssal both aligns with the time gap of the cds hunting game

[sturdy steeple]

Might not know what kind of fruit Dragon has.

[stone tulip]

It depends on who the culprits are and how severe it is, plus the giants would have spoken about it by now

[sturdy steeple]

It's not necessarily crazy, lol.

[prisma yacht]

Wish they were at the same time

[grand flower]

They’ve been busy getting drunk now it’s a war

[ashen perch]

Dragon's been associated with rain a total of one time as opposed to the dozens of times he was associated with Wind, I really don't see the connection at alllll

[stone tulip]

Nami being a survivor of Native hunting game is very possible

[grand flower]

And regardless of who the culprit is, you’d need a way to explain how the crisis disappeared so fast and the damage settled so quickly

[stone tulip]

Who knows

[sturdy steeple]

^

[final trench]

Dragon stopped oykot

[warm sierra]

I dont really like it just being a rerun of another marine saving a pair of children from the hunting game tbh

[final trench]

Becoming the worlds worst criminal

[stone tulip]

I don’t mind it cause it lines up with timeline plus Nami was always hinted to be special due to her weather senses so her island could have been targeted for this reason specifically

[ashen perch]

I pointed out how illogical it would be for him to not use rain to stop the Holocaust in Gray Terminal the other day, instead using wind to carve open a path for its residents to escape and survive. If he could do rain, he'd use the rain but he didn't.

[prisma yacht]

I wanted it in some way to connect it with a hk dying so I cld fit in dragon killing the hk and garp n sengoku helping in abolishing the hunting game or atleast extending the period of gap

[stone tulip]

And would explain so much why Bellemere refused to allow Nojiko and Nami to be given away to WG and why Bellemere quitted the marines

[stone tulip]

Dragon interrupting one of the games is very possible

[prisma yacht]

It cld also be the centre of the dragon fb

[golden jacinth]

I think it would be better if dragon had no fruit

And used the dragon claw fist

[prisma yacht]

Eh

[warm sierra]

The live action actor already spoiled he has one lol

[rustic coral]

Did you not like the Wano ones 😔

[prisma yacht]

How do u explain the lightning

[fervent fable]

Would be cool but it is less likely

[final trench]

“His devil fruit powers, its amazing!”

[final trench]

Shandorian magic

[urban lodge]

Weather haki

[final trench]

Aura

[prisma yacht]

This wld focus on the garp dragon dynamic as well as on sengoku n garp

But no

[bold sonnet]

Bro used zaza's haki knot

[fervent fable]

Or maybe he just speculated that dragon has one ( i know dragon must be df user) but still maybe he said for the sake of tweet

[prisma yacht]

🧙‍♂️

[sturdy steeple]

I dunno, man. I did like them (especially by the end) but I feel like it had less highlights for me than WCI.

[golden jacinth]

Like sabo used dragon breath to find a weak point in the colloseum so destroy it, dragon could use this at certain weak spots in the air (where currents meet). This would instantly drop pressure and create a storm (nami noticed a pressure drop in lougetown)

[sturdy steeple]

Still good though.

[rustic coral]

Fair

[golden jacinth]

I still hope its false 😔

[grand flower]

Oh yeah Nami definitely was a victim of a native hunt

Her age lines up

[sturdy steeple]

Egghead though I remember absolutely nothing except two OSTs lol

[prisma yacht]

:0

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

20years

[grand flower]

That first opening

[golden jacinth]

[grand flower]

Is my favorite one

[sturdy steeple]

I feel like the location wasn't great for OSTs

Yeah the opening is really good

[prisma yacht]

Cool

[sturdy steeple]

Still the best one visually at least

[grand flower]

Oh it’s just OSTs

[ashen perch]

Wano has my favorite tracks so I really cant agree

[sturdy steeple]

Nobody asked!!!!!

[grand flower]

Nigga the Gear 5 CD is full of bangers oh my god

[prisma yacht]

Hi I'm nobody

[golden jacinth]

This would be peak ✋ 😐 ✋

[ashen perch]

I just like the JP classical motifs a looooooot too and they nailed them with the arc

[prisma yacht]

Haki man dragon

[ashen perch]

Yeahhh

[golden jacinth]

And invented the dragon claw fist fighting style

[sturdy steeple]

My fav ost in Wano is prolly that one when Luffy sees sky lanterns after Orochi dies

That went crazy

[golden jacinth]

Dragon just becomes a better stronger garp 🔥🔥

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gear-5-luffy-gif-895599101344203869

[sturdy steeple]

But I also feel like Onigashima had plenty of Stampede OSTs

[prisma yacht]

Peak

[sturdy steeple]

And I don't wanna include those lol

[surreal snow]

I miss kidds theme

[rustic coral]

Kuma's life

[ashen perch]

https://youtu.be/T3OT4PWFo8o

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah Kuma and uhhh Saturn I think

Or was it used for Gorosei

[ashen perch]

One of the best in the whole series

[ornate tartan]

what’s the latest new ost we will see

the god knight one?

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah that's what I was talking about, Arsal

[ashen perch]

I haven't seen the last 20 episodes of Egghead but I think the ones that stood out the most to me were Imu's

Lulusia's destruction for example

Kohei Tanaka went crazy on that one

[ashen perch]

This was also used in that final episode before Kaido was defeated and it broke me

I can't hate that Denjiro killing Orochi moment because the anime did it so unbelievably well

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah with the lanterns

Like I said

[ornate tartan]

One Piece Osts about to improve so much now

I always felt they lagged behind the other 2 series in the big 3 with this

[sturdy steeple]

Wait wait

Okay I remember peak Egghead ost now

[ashen perch]

And then ending it with the lanterns, and the samurai saying "If only Kaido was defeated" over and over again... Peak

[ashen perch]

Not at all

[stone tulip]

Yeah Wano ost is a whole new level

[ashen perch]

OP's tracks are the best, the usage... Not so much

[sturdy steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I4FWeSscYE&list=RD2I4FWeSscYE&start_radio=1

Can't find the original but whatever

Peak Blackbeard OST

[ashen perch]

The soundtrack is legitimately magical, people just get tired of them because Toei overuses the hell out of em

I listen to it pretty regularly outside of the anime and its just the best

[ashen perch]

Yeahh, this was great

[sturdy steeple]

Kohei Tanaka going for the more medieval/fantasy OST for Elbaph is a bliss

Actually felt like I was listening to someone like Evan Call lol

[torn stirrup]

lmao never seen this sticker before, love it

poor jack

[grand flower]

Holon now

Kid and Law vs BM was a good one

[sturdy steeple]

Nah I mean

I don't want to include those in the list of Wano OSTs

Because it was made for the film specifically

[rain cedar]

I don't disagree actually but it's definitely a lot less when you compare it with other arcs. Brook and Franky are the only one who I would say shined in their performance

[prisma yacht]

xD

[dense haven]

next week gonna be hype

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-meme-dr-pigeon-walk-koby-one-piece-gif-15028995157269485729

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/koby-coby-one-piece-gif-12417753141580632326

[knotty root]

Sad that sanji got replaced with killer

[latent hamlet]

Imagine if sanji stayed for all of roof Piece and killer handled black Maria instead

[worn beacon]

then who would take queen?

[latent hamlet]

During roof Piece, Marco was fighting queen and king

[wraith mantle]

Chapter week

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[final trench]

Black maria would get skewered

https://tenor.com/view/killer-hawkins-one-piece-wano-onigashima-gif-7252107831397139136

[grand flower]

On some real shit if you’re not in America what’s the quality of life in your country

I’m making plans to leave

[latent hamlet]

I dont think asking a one piece server is the best choice

[grand flower]

I assume most of you are still people

[latent hamlet]

We're actually all AI

[final trench]

Woah

Ion know bout allat

[latent hamlet]

Are u defying your programming

[rain cedar]

stay where you are dawg, America is still better off than like 2/3 of the planet

[latent hamlet]

Wut bout canada

[grand flower]

More of a pride thing

Saw a poster omw to work using the imagery of those files to promote a weekly presidential address

Thought to myself you know what

[latent hamlet]

Thats
Hm

[grand flower]

At some point, you gotta realize America kinda bitch made for this

[latent hamlet]

Thats just oof

[ornate tartan]

what side of the world would u like to go?

[grand flower]

I wanna go back to the Caribbean tbh

[latent hamlet]

Back implies u lived there first

[grand flower]

Hurricanes are fine

[ornate tartan]

that place is beautiful

[grand flower]

Mother Nature? Makes sense

[knotty root]

Here in southeast Asia is nice

[grand flower]

The horrors of a certain demographic of Americans? I’m out

[knotty root]

But it depends on where you are in there

[grand flower]

I did

[knotty root]

Singapore is the most safest but it requires a bit of a high cost

[grand flower]

My family is Caribbean

[knotty root]

It's neighbors are much more suitable for low paying wages

[latent hamlet]

If u already got the experience u might as well head back unless u wanna go for something new

[knotty root]

People here are really nice. Just make sure you're in a good/safe neighborhood

[latent hamlet]

Feels like that applies to like a huge majority of civilization

[knotty root]

Yeah that's true I won't deny that

Just saying it cause based on how other people keep describing their neighbors it seems like the manners here is above average so to speak

[latent hamlet]

Like I live in some quiet ass suburbs. My friend even was like u could probably go for a walk at 2 am and you'll be fine

[stone tulip]

I get Franky but I don’t think Brook shined more than other straw hats, I would argue Nami had shined more if that’s the case

[ornate tartan]

yea some countries are so damn safe😂

[stone tulip]

Anyways oomf drew this amazing artwork of Zaza and I think this is my favorite one https://x.com/sanji_joestar/status/2052813881060307024?s=46

🔅Blue Majin | COMMS OPEN💙🔥 (@sanji_joestar)

God Of Rain ~ Zaza 🌧️
#OnePiece1182

X · May 8, 2026, 6:12 PM

[latent hamlet]

Less countries more like "this tiny corner of this little bit is just chill while everything else is on fire"

[rain cedar]

I mean hey, he's the reason why the ship got moving

Otherwise they would've been stuck in labophase

[ornate tartan]

🌧️

[stone tulip]

Sure but it’s more of useful moments rather than shining moments plus you would have to acknowledge Usopp too cause he the one who saved the ship from falling off labophase with this logic

[rain cedar]

Sure, put Usopp in as well

[latent hamlet]

Brook always came off as
"He did a thing"
Vs
"HE DID THE THINGGGGG"

[stone tulip]

Also I think Jinbe did a lot more than any straw hats outside of monster trio and Franky cause he saved Bonney, Luffy, and Chopper from drowning in beginning of the arc, got the technology that Vegapunk has, and made sure Zoro wouldn’t get lost

[stone tulip]

Every art of Zaza ends up being amazing

[hazy turret]

hi chat whats the topic

[rain cedar]

Zaza

[hazy turret]

ohh

okay ill catch you guys later

[latent hamlet]

I dont care about Zaza too much tbh

[small ember]

Yeah Oda cooked with the Zaza design

[latent hamlet]

Unless she trashes sanji

[stone tulip]

Vivi is Zaza 🗣🔥

[latent hamlet]

Then its funni

[small ember]

It could be nothing but a legend or it could be real idk

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-fire-giant-gif-26699887

[stone tulip]

It’s one piece cause most of legends did somewhat came true

[rain cedar]

I like Zaza. I wasn't really up for Oda building up his mythos

But the designs are cool so I'm onboard

[hazy turret]

ive been slightly annoyed by one piece mythology since nika tbh

[stone tulip]

Nah I was I was invested in this since Nika tbh, I just love world building

[hazy turret]

i know it was a thing in skypiea but i thought it would be similar to how greek mythology is treated irl

[rain cedar]

I didn't like Nika in the beginning as well but he really grew on me

[hazy turret]

i like world building, i just think when you start going the mythology manifesting irl route it gets out of hand real quick

it begins feeling like every next thing needs to be bigger than the last

[small ember]

Ohhhh I see I see

[deep chasm]

yea looks like now we're gonna be learning about gods from 1st/2nd world

[small ember]

I hope not EVERY deity is manifested but something we still learn about

[hazy turret]

i wouldnt be surprised if luffy and imu get so big they start fighting in space

[crude nebula]

Ppl would be happy if dragon had the wind fruit 10 yrs ago but rn theyd be super dissapointed

[rain cedar]

I'm still hoping for logia actually

Zaza can be someone else like vivi

[hazy turret]

im less concerned about dragon's fruit and more concerned about when he'll be mobilizing bro

[sturdy steeple]

Mobilising himself or his army

[rain cedar]

I think we are getting closer to it

[sturdy steeple]

Because his army is already at it

[rain cedar]

Because the holy land is on fire

[deep chasm]

Id still be happy with wing logia

[sturdy steeple]

Avatar: the legend of Dragon

[deep chasm]

though yea at this rate if someone will have zazas fruit it should be dragon

[latent hamlet]

Instructions unclear
Elbaf has a statue of a god come to life to fistfight Imu

Imu: ITS YOU, YOU RUINED IT

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/adin-adinross-what-does-he-even-do-adin-what-does-he-even-do-what-does-he-even-do-meme-gif-7301893521340817246

[urban lodge]

I wanted him to be a mythical zoan tbh but Arsal showed a panel that basically proves he has logia intangibility

[dense haven]

rokaya aint ready for the forest god chopper

[rain cedar]

Wind is literally one of the 4 classic elements so I still have hope that Oda has been leaving it for dragon

[deep chasm]

what panel is that

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-scarif-gif-26126696

[urban lodge]

I think it's from the ASL flashback, let me find it

[hazy turret]

him tbh

[sturdy steeple]

lol if that's the case then water is also missing

[hazy turret]

Imu spiking his cortisol for the hundredth time when he sees his old friends

[deep chasm]

huh

[rain cedar]

Yeah but water has been established as a weakness

So i can count it as an exception

[deep chasm]

Im confused what Im lookinh at

[urban lodge]

You can see through him in the middle panel

[sturdy steeple]

How did you come to the conclusion that he's a logia

[fervent fable]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-lightning-gif-8025149319788914289

[deep chasm]

is that not just sabo

[sturdy steeple]

He used a wind to propel himself, sure

He's carrying Sabo yeah

[urban lodge]

Ah maybe

[sturdy steeple]

If you're talking about what seems to be the hole - that's Sabo

[hazy turret]

please no mythical zoan

[urban lodge]

I thought that was a guy in the background

[deep chasm]

it just looks weird, but yea thats sabo

[urban lodge]

Mythical zoan might still be on then

[dense haven]

lmao arsal spreading misinformation and peeny fell for it

[sturdy steeple]

Mythical zoans are just paramecias with cool designs

[urban lodge]

Smh

[latent hamlet]

"ITS YOUR FAULT JOOOOOY BOOOOOYYYY"

"Who are you talking about? Im Monkey D. Luffy! The man who will be pirate king!"

End chapter

[rain cedar]

We need Logia greatness, I've had enough mythical zoans

[deep chasm]

It wouldve been very weird if oda randomly showed dragon with a hole through his chest anyway lol

I mean hey with how mythical zoans are you can always make him a mythical zoan with logia like properties

[sturdy steeple]

Don't we get logias like almost every arc lol

[fervent fable]

😭

Fuck ass pacing

[rain cedar]

I think we've only had 3 since post timeskip

[hazy turret]

"its your fault nidho- joyb- zaz- posei-" has imu considered he may be the problem here

[deep chasm]

no logia past 3 arcs

[rain cedar]

Karasu, Monet, Caesar

So how's that one every arc

[sturdy steeple]

Monet, Caribou, Greenbull, Caesar, Karasu

[dense haven]

logia agenda is finished

we regen piece now

[latent hamlet]

Narcissists never do

[fervent fable]

Bro has beef with a squirrel

[latent hamlet]

"Guys we should just dominate the entire world. They'll know true happiness!"

[rain cedar]

Lowkenuinely forgot greenbulll and caribou

[hazy turret]

forgot about that LOL

[rain cedar]

Mb mb

[urban lodge]

That squirrel is canonically stronger than Rocks

[sturdy steeple]

Like last arc we had Karasu

[hazy turret]

penny its too EARLY

[sturdy steeple]

In Wano it was GB

[rain cedar]

We've barely seen them though

[latent hamlet]

Imu screamed traitor like that god damn stormtrooper traitor meme

https://tenor.com/view/storm-trooper-traitor-starwars-gif-15518569

[hazy turret]

karasu is a STRETCH

[sturdy steeple]

Well yeah, but we did see them though. They're not the main villains

[urban lodge]

Harald (Rocks' equal) needed the Imu buff to think he was strong enough to beat the squirrel, and this is way after Rocks died so this was already a stronger Harald

[deep chasm]

logias as more relevant characters then

[rain cedar]

^

[sturdy steeple]

Like technically we're still up against admirals

[rain cedar]

Perfect for dragon

[hazy turret]

1 logia for the hundred thousand million zoans

[sturdy steeple]

And they all have logias except for Fuji

[rain cedar]

I'm afraid the admirals don't have that motion anymore

[sturdy steeple]

Bruh

[rain cedar]

It's the WG and the HK now

[hazy turret]

i have no skin in this game, no horse in this race im not about to put any energy to defend rocks here tbh

[urban lodge]

He can't be defended anyway, it's ok

[sturdy steeple]

Mythical zoans in essence are just paramecias or logias with cool ass designs. What's not to like
It'd be one thing if we had basic zoans

[urban lodge]

The squirrel is him

[rain cedar]

Even in egghead, I think we had like one proper chapter of fighting against kizaru

[sturdy steeple]

But mythical? They cool

Complaining for the sake of complaining smh

[dense haven]

ragnir vs kaido who wins

[hazy turret]

since finding out they get buffs lol

[rain cedar]

Nah, we've just had too many

[hazy turret]

representation matters

[sturdy steeple]

What does it mean

They get buffs

[latent hamlet]

Chopper is gonna turn out to be mythical forest beast god model: wendigo

[hazy turret]

this is why luffy's fruit being a regular gomu was cool he was able to reach greatness with a fruit that people thought was weird and laughed at

[sturdy steeple]

I wonder if people complained about logias the same way pre-ts

[latent hamlet]

Who also has greenbull fruit powers

[sturdy steeple]

Like every major fucker there had a logia

[hazy turret]

it was just enel and who?? croc?

[latent hamlet]

Ye but logia is 1/3 of a type

[knotty root]

The admirals

[sturdy steeple]

Why does Luffy's fruit matter in the context of mythical fruits existing in general

[deep chasm]

EEEYUCK

[latent hamlet]

We dont see mythical logia

[rain cedar]

All the admirals and BB

[sturdy steeple]

That's another topic

[muted hedge]

i love mythical zoans

[hazy turret]

they werent really main villains in the story yet tho like

[latent hamlet]

Mythical zoan is like a subspecies

[hazy turret]

not main arc villains

[rain cedar]

That's false, Kuzan almost ended the crew and so did kizaru

[sturdy steeple]

They were literally built up to be powerhouses lol

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[sturdy steeple]

Like admirals were scary back then

[hazy turret]

them existing isnt the problem for me

[sturdy steeple]

Then you had Smoker too

Like all those people you cannot hurt at all

[hazy turret]

but again, not every villain of the arc had a myhtical zoan

[rain cedar]

I feel like Oda could've still gone with the nika route with Luffy having a regular paramecia

[ornate tartan]

mythical zoans are WAY better then logias lol

[hazy turret]

THIS

[sturdy steeple]

Okay? And not every villain has a mythical zoan now

What's up with that lol

[muted hedge]

nah

[rain cedar]

It literally doesn't matter

[ornate tartan]

wouldn’t make sense with all of the other void century figures having god level fruits

[stone terrace]

Ive accepted that shounen is just linked to the god route

Its genre defining

[rain cedar]

Luffy was fighting his opponents pre timeskip with a normal ass DF

That's his THING

[deep chasm]

if chopper is a mythical zoan then I will say theres too many mythical zoans

[rain cedar]

He's a rubber boy beating the best

[deep chasm]

if not we're good

[ornate tartan]

luffy DF always was gonna be special tho

[deep chasm]

noooo

[sturdy steeple]

And even then, I asked you what's there not to like when mythical zoans are just dudes with cool designs and PARAMECIA powers.

Sometimes even closer to logia.

[deep chasm]

it was not "always gonna be special" this is hindsight bruh

[muted hedge]

mythical zoans are just the coolest of the cool

[deep chasm]

maybe some people thought it would be, but it was not made clear throughout the story that luffys fruit would be special for any reason besides that luffy is creative and brings out its best use

[stone tulip]

Imu is delusional so no

[hazy turret]

because it starts to feel like theyre replacing regular paramecias

[rain cedar]

Just too many of them. That's all

[muted hedge]

we just had some dope paramecias introduced in this arc

thorn and arrow

[stone tulip]

Vivi is most likeliest case scenario anyways

[ornate tartan]

he is the best devil fruit user in the series when it comes to bringing out the maximum potential of his fruit or pushing it to its limit

[sturdy steeple]

I reallyyyy wanna ask "and?" but that's not even true.

[knotty root]

Sakomoto days:

[ornate tartan]

the things he has done with rubber is ridiculous

[deep chasm]

this has nothing to do with his fruit being special

[deep chasm]

this is true

[sturdy steeple]

Like Gorosei for example

[deep chasm]

and the point currently is about his fruit itself being specila

[sturdy steeple]

I'm gonne be real for you

[deep chasm]

so there was never real indicators it would be

[sturdy steeple]

Are not EXCEPTIONALLY interesting design wise

Giving them mythical zoans powers saves them a lot

[deep chasm]

luffy's df usage was special, the fruit itself was not special

[rain cedar]

Yep

[deep chasm]

thats a new thing to the readers

[sturdy steeple]

Even Oda mentioned in the interview that he kind of regrets giving them plain designs.

[muted hedge]

mythical zoans tend to add lore on top of just being a creature too

[stone tulip]

It’s why the fruit wasn’t awakened for 800 years

[rain cedar]

Again, Nika himself could have had a regular ass rubber DF

[ornate tartan]

There weren’t any indicators that it would be special im just saying it’s more likely then not that this would end up being the case @deep chasm

[muted hedge]

he did?

[rain cedar]

It wouldn't have mattered

[deep chasm]

based on what

this is just hindsight

[sturdy steeple]

I think it was an interview between Oda and the Detective Conan's author.

[muted hedge]

damn

[hazy turret]

gorosei being plain in base is what makes them interesting

[muted hedge]

wonder what he'd design them as then

[deep chasm]

if you went back before luffys fruit became special, you could not actually give strong evidence as to why luffys fruit would end up being special

[muted hedge]

i think the men in suits vibe fits

[ornate tartan]

every shonen MC is special in some way, or at least 99% of them

[deep chasm]

and people thought luffy was different

[hazy turret]

2026 oda would made them wear like 7 different print fabrics and coats

[sturdy steeple]

Do you find Gorosei more interesting than the other villains we had

[deep chasm]

it was not that likely, this is just a case of hindsight

[sturdy steeple]

Especially design wise?

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard's darkness fruit is the most obvious special fruit out of all of them

[sturdy steeple]

Really?

[muted hedge]

no point in hiding it even

[rain cedar]

Technically Luffy was special because he was from the D clan. But his powers could've been regular

[muted hedge]

a logia which doesn't act like a logia

[deep chasm]

this as well, there were other things making him special already

[hazy turret]

sometimes, in a world filled with over the top designs, the simple stuff sticks out a lot

[rain cedar]

I agree

[deep chasm]

or that he was likely the closest thing to a reincarnation of joyboy

[sturdy steeple]

But finding them particularly interesting is an interesting take

[ornate tartan]

i don’t like to use this word but having a regular paramecia overcoming the power of godlike abilities just wouldn’t be realistic and asspull like

[hazy turret]

it brings a really nice balance and shows oda is capable of creating variety

[sturdy steeple]

Even with how some of them are just copycats of famous historical people

[rain cedar]

How is it an asspull. Doesn't the manga make a point that even a "bad" DF can be a good one depending upon the users creativity

[spice python]

someone remind me if ragnir is a squirrel that ate hammer fruit or hammer that ate squirrel fruit

[ornate tartan]

this is true but creativity can only go so far

[muted hedge]

the latter appearantly

[rain cedar]

Think about this, luffys Gear 4 doesn't really have anything to do with nika. He came up with themselves because Luffy is smart like that

It's a mythical zoan after all

[knotty root]

More "beasty" in design then kaido is what I would say. But they dont really stand out much imo.

[deep chasm]

Okay well no one really thought this before now. Luffy with the regular paramecia was defeating crazy enemies. This is why I keep saying this is just called hindsight. Pre g5 the take with evidence was just that luffy was special for other reasons, but his fruit inherently wasnt that special

[sturdy steeple]

I feel like Sommers, Killingham and Gunko are all much more interesting design wise. Like they're not over the top.

[sturdy steeple]

I meant their human forms.

[muted hedge]

i love how mundane the gorosei look as it makes them hiding their monsterous forms even more shocking

[hazy turret]

why wouldnt they be? if anything them being some of the closest to resembling irl people feels like a great opportunity make so many subtle commentary if he wants. something about how the most evil people in the world are the ones who can blend in

[muted hedge]

ordinary business men, which are literal monsters

[hasty sable]

Before G5 Luffy was special because he was like Roger.

[deep chasm]

so pre wano you were thinking luffy wasnt gonna be able to reach yonko level or something cuz his fruit wasnt special? Like this just wasnt anything anyone was worrying about pre g5

[sturdy steeple]

I do like them but I don't really view them as more interesting than even the other villains we had with grounded designs.

Like CP9 or admirals.

[muted hedge]

like no one would expect the ordinary men with suits to become these overwhelming monsters

[sturdy steeple]

Mythical zoans is the saving grace.

[ornate tartan]

you don’t need a special df to be yonko level

[knotty root]

Considering how all 5 of them were dropped at once it removes their pizazz in terms of design. But even if they were introduced one by one people wouldn't think much of them by design unless nusjuro was the last one introduced

[ornate tartan]

you don’t even need a fruit to be yonko level lol

[hasty sable]

The Gorosei are interchangeable personality wise too

[spice python]

ok thx

[hasty sable]

They’re just five evil old dudes

Who worship the devil

[sturdy steeple]

That too

They don't have distinctive personalities lol

[torn stirrup]

Lmao I keep finding shitty AI-generated One Piece panels based on the early spoilers when searching for images from recent chapters (google pls), but this fucking Imu bruh

[sturdy steeple]

They're just some plain old pawns.

[torn stirrup]

"Joy Boy, I...."

[muted hedge]

i feel like they do have distinctive personalities

[dense rapids]

Yuderon strikes again

[dense haven]

this is peak

better than what we got

[hazy turret]

like i said, the way they contrast all the other gaudy villains is what makes them interesting to me. if this story was set in real life they'd just look like old guys in suits.

[hazy turret]

i mean thats a separate convo yeah

[sly belfry]

what

[dense rapids]

You can’t read?

[deep chasm]

Okay so this is not a case of "it was always going to be special". Mind you pre wano yonko still seemed to be the peak of the world. Even with imus reveal, people didnt know how close or far he was from the yonko.

We had no reason to think luffy's fruit needed to be special or else his creativity wouldnt allow him to reach the top

[sturdy steeple]

Really? I feel like Saturn got one because at the very least we found out his whole deal.
Other than that Gorosei are memed to death because they even tend to continue phrases one after another.

[hasty sable]

The Gorosei are one villain to me and not five. Tbh they’d be lame if they were zany.

[hazy turret]

they're basically a hivemind

[hasty sable]

Godhead

[sturdy steeple]

That's not really separate in the context of them having anything remotely unique. If they didn't have those mythical appearances it'd be even worse.

[deep chasm]

besides King Garling

thats why garling will be the 2nd most threatening individual from WG's party

[hazy turret]

we were talking about design, thats what i was addressing

[dense haven]

garling is the worst

[iron oriole]

If it was a hivemind, Saturn wouldn't have been able to keep secrets

[deep chasm]

garling hate is forced

[ornate tartan]

the man with access to the mother flame 🔥

[golden valley]

You dont need a special df to be yonko but if you wanna be the strongest…lets be real

[dense haven]

if ur a slave, a mother or a middle aged celestial dragon sure

[ornate tartan]

york is his direct subordinate

[hazy turret]

if you know a more accurate word then lmk, i said basically

[sturdy steeple]

So that means we need more unique designs in the story for Gorosei to stand out in the first place

[muted hedge]

Oda wants people to underestimate Garling, that's why he showed God Valley

[hazy turret]

its the closest thing i could think of

[dense haven]

mothers tremble at the sight of garling

[golden valley]

Garling will be carried by his imu buffs

[muted hedge]

i assure you that when we see Garling current time, he'll be a potent threat

[deep chasm]

it also just makes sense that garling decades ago is weaker than himself currently + gorosei buff lmao

he never has to be as strong as rocks anyway to be a huge threat

[sturdy steeple]

Which is why I said what I said about their personalities too. Design affects the perception a lot.

[golden valley]

It makes no sense to say GV was Garling’s Prime

[muted hedge]

i think he has grown stronger than Xebec

[sturdy steeple]

Like they need to have that shit in order to stand out at least somehow.

[deep chasm]

Garling vs Dragon will happen, and then later on Garling vs shamrock/shanks or something like that

[golden valley]

No one in OP peaks out at his assumed age during GV

[muted hedge]

yeah

[dense haven]

bro thinks garling is gonna beat dragon?

[golden valley]

50-60s is generally where peeps hit their prime in OP

[deep chasm]

oh idk about that. Though I can see a world where like somehow imu gives all of his contracts to just garling and he becomes the super gorosei or something

in which case yes

[deep chasm]

who said that dawg

[sturdy steeple]

I mean

Obviously Garling is stronger now

[dense haven]

garling vs dragon will happen and will not be a definitive fight?

[muted hedge]

i think that current Garling just straight up is as strong or stronger than Xebec back then

[dense haven]

what is even the point

[deep chasm]

yes that is what I believe

[sturdy steeple]

So what's the problem

[deep chasm]

...

[muted hedge]

Garling vs Shanks and Shamrock then Garling vs Dragon

[deep chasm]

if you think theres no point to any fight in one piece thats been inconclusive thats all you

[hazy turret]

i mean yeah? sure

[muted hedge]

Shanks and Shamrock getting the aid from Dragon, who was the one who tried to save them would be so peak

[dense haven]

its literallt THE dragon fight and you want it to be inconclusive lmao

some people are lost in the sauce I stg

[ornate tartan]

yall just hate the CDs

[deep chasm]

see this is why people need to start actually trying to understand what other people are saying

[upbeat yarrow]

if anything, garling seems like the traitor type within the WG, i bet he is waiting for the instant imu shows any vulnerability

[sturdy steeple]

What's wrong with the fight lol

[deep chasm]

I think THE dragon fight would be with imu. I see dragon fighting garling, but ending up fighting imu

[dense haven]

LMAO

[deep chasm]

if you just asked for clarification it aint that bad

[muted hedge]

no one of them can do shit given the covenants though

[sturdy steeple]

Garling sees Imu as a valuable asset from what I can tell.

[muted hedge]

we saw Harald attempt to disobey, it didn't work out

[deep chasm]

and before you make another assumption, no Im not saying dragon fucking 1v1 defeats imu

[sturdy steeple]

He doesn't worship him the same way. We'll see though.

[hazy turret]

idk them wearing boring old suits seems to have reflected the fact that theyre not these independent thinking people. sterile, servile, obedient

[ornate tartan]

who won the void century, the entire world has to gang up on the WG to bring them down

[deep chasm]

but I think dragon will have his final match with Imu

[muted hedge]

i think he does, given we saw him wanting to please the great one when he discovered God Valley

[iron oriole]

I think Dragon should fight Garling > Dragon almost beats him > the other Gorosei get involved > Dragon gets beat & brought to Imu

[final trench]

Fuck em

[dense haven]

after losing to garling he then proceeds to lose to imu

amazing character arc

[deep chasm]

where did I say he loses to garling

[dense haven]

will bring the fandom to tears

[final trench]

Dragon is spanking garling

[ornate tartan]

So I don’t get where the notion comes from that the World Government isn’t almost invincible

[muted hedge]

Dragon should beat Garling and then the other gorosei can come.

[deep chasm]

this must just be acting oblivious on purpose

[ornate tartan]

he gotta get past akainu fam😂😂

[final trench]

He is spanking akainu

[dense haven]

can your posts be any less vague

[ornate tartan]

[final trench]

Why do you think akainu wants his son dead so bad

[upbeat yarrow]

true, but then again we are seeing imu become increasingly irritated and looking for results, in time he will make a mistake

[final trench]

#thinkaboutitp

[deep chasm]

my posts have not been vague. I already told you Im not saying dragon loses to garling, and you just dont ever ask for clarification lmao

[dense haven]

bro said garling will fight dragon then fight shanks, but he neither win or lose

[final trench]

Also the WG is only “invincible” is because they hide the truth from everybody

[dense haven]

schrodinger garling

[maiden smelt]

Will Dragon ever do anything

[hoary steppe]

Garling gonna die to bb

[muted hedge]

which Garling can't do shit with
no one who bears the covenant can really do shit against Imu

[deep chasm]

is it hard for you to comprehend dragon fighting someone and not being defeated in that fight

[dense haven]

garling is in a double state of W and L until observed

[maiden smelt]

Actually Garling and Dragon are made for each other I want them to fight

[hazy turret]

the way people feel about usopp (this arc esp) is sort of how i feel about dragon

[ornate tartan]

it’s prolly cuz this guy just hates criminals and dragon is called the worst criminal in the world

i think dragon was gone from the navy when akainu joined so they didn’t know each other from then

the only chance is if they had an encounter sometime in the past

[echo lake]

Dragon will maul that fraud

[dense haven]

not as hard as it is for you to keep the goalposts in place

[maiden smelt]

I FORGOT ABOUT USSOP

[sturdy steeple]

As long as he pleases him he gets the so needed rewards.

[iron oriole]

Either works, i was thinking a Dragon almost beats Garling situation as a way for the others to also look down on Garling too, some sort of "oh you can't even deal with a single ant" type shit but ig an outright defeat of Garling works for that too

[maiden smelt]

WHERE IS HE

[sturdy steeple]

Like he should be immortal now

[deep chasm]

what goalpost was moved? are you sure youre not just having trouble reading

[echo lake]

Dragon's rain god fruit vs Garling's rat yokai form

[muted hedge]

i wouldn't like that, given how it would make Dragon look

Dragon beating Garling and then the other gorosei going against him would be much more satisfying

i like the idea of them taking him to Imu though

[dense haven]

is this the best clapback you have

[deep chasm]

Im asking you to show me the goalpost I moved

[maiden smelt]

I hope Dragon confronts Garp

[sturdy steeple]

Which is fine but they're the key fighters of Imu. I'd want some more spice to the people that should be present at the final war.

[deep chasm]

Ive not made any contradiction, you just seem to want to make dumb assumptions for no reason

[dense haven]

vagueposting world champion

[hazy turret]

is their transformation not enough?

[deep chasm]

I said they'd fight, then I said garling would also end up fighting one or both of his sons. That does not actually say dragon must lose to garling

then I clarified for you that their fight would be inconclusive

[dense haven]

so what does that say

[echo lake]

Garp already got slimed by Blackbeard

[deep chasm]

and you're still acting like you cant understand that Im not saying dragon loses

[dense haven]

will they shake hands and go on their merry way

a technical tie

[maiden smelt]

No way his story ends there

[echo lake]

a fitting end for a fraud like him

[maiden smelt]

He’s definitely getting out

[deep chasm]

it seems like you dont actually intend to understand anything so what would be the point in me answering you

right now you're acting like you've never seen a one piece fight be inconclusive now

[echo lake]

His biggest regret was not getting more lobsters to the slave owners in Mariejouise

[ornate tartan]

what would be left of garp story do yall think

[deep chasm]

you're just being stupid for the sake of it

[final trench]

I think the WG will kill garp

[final trench]

His backstory

[deep chasm]

who from the wg

[final trench]

Accepting luffy for wanting to be a pirate

[maiden smelt]

I think he will have a change of heart and defect from the marines

[final trench]

Gorosei

[broken sable]

guys i have a theory

[maiden smelt]

When he realizes he could be protecting ppl better

[echo lake]

he retires and buys a few slaves and moves to Mariejouise to become a pear shaped CD

[knotty root]

It would bless their characters a ton if they all had unique abilities. Remembered reading this before their official powers were revealed, it was very nice to read

[broken sable]

if you see the hat shanks wore when he was young and the hat luffy wears now

[deep chasm]

hmmm, they're too lame to kill garp

[final trench]

Which is why they’d do it

[broken sable]

i think there's a high chance that luffy and shanks' hat is the SAME HAT

[sturdy steeple]

Which is what we've been talking about...? That mythical zoans is that key detail that makes them more appealing...?

That's my point.

[broken sable]

so what if luffy STOLE shanks hat

[rain cedar]

Topman flexing 😭😭😭😭😭

[broken sable]

to gain popularity because he wants to be like roger

[final trench]

But yea that garp backstory and roger backstory will be peak

[sturdy steeple]

Thank god it's not even close to Artur's piece.

[hazy turret]

you were trashing their subtle design

[hazy turret]

the transformation adds a layer to them

[broken sable]

this guy is honestly an unc

[knotty root]

Being built like kingpin is a curse

[final trench]

Holup why tf is saturn a t rex

[broken sable]

not curse, he just big boy

[final trench]

I just noticed that

[sturdy steeple]

Rokaya, am I reading something wrong? I'm saying the transformation does add this spiciness to their otherwise not so unique designs. And that's a good thing.
Meanwhile you were arguing against the usage of more mythical zoans in the story, no?

What did I miss?

[muted hedge]

do we even know if the gorosei have mythical zoans

[ornate tartan]

😭😭

[deep chasm]

well

[sturdy steeple]

No, but that's not the point.

[deep chasm]

they're definitely similar to them

but I dont think its actual fruits

[sturdy steeple]

Design wise at least they function like mythical zoans.

[muted hedge]

feels like it's powered through 'omen'

[iron oriole]

If it is fruits its 100% gonna be myth Zoans

[muted hedge]

even though that's vague

[final trench]

I think they’re supposed to be

But i dont think they have Dfs

[deep chasm]

yea

[muted hedge]

i think Cerberus also is made from 'omen'

[maiden smelt]

Why couldn’t imu give them logias

[deep chasm]

seems like it could be considering the lack of fruit name for it

[muted hedge]

they can regenerate like a logia

[muted hedge]

yeah

[maiden smelt]

Logias are cooler tho

[deep chasm]

gorosei myth zoans is better

but Id like some holy knights to be logias

[ashen perch]

how can you not see the intangibility of his cape lol

[deep chasm]

that is sabo arsal

[ashen perch]

Laww

Sabo is in the middle

[deep chasm]

right..

[sturdy steeple]

That's wind

Arsal

That's literally a cloud of dust

[deep chasm]

yes this si wind

[ashen perch]

????????

[sturdy steeple]

It just covers the frame of his cape

[ashen perch]

his cape that is looking like its ripping apart is wind?

[muted hedge]

i've seen cool concepts where Dragon is Zaza

[dense haven]

does he have big tits

[final trench]

Wind logia

[rain cedar]

A mythical zoan for dragon would be soooooooo unnecessary

[dense haven]

arsal spreading misingformation

[deep chasm]

this is true but if someone gonna have zazas fruit it should be him

[hazy turret]

You said their design is not interesting. I said the fact that its a simple design IS interesting enough. You wanted more, and i said well the transformation is more. The transformation didnt change the base design, but it adds a layer to them design wise and character wise.

The mythical zoan thing is just about the fact that they are overrepresented, at least to my taste. I'm just a little over the animal-based designs

[final trench]

If he truly is the insurgent serpent he might have a zoan

[distant vine]

I wanna be a skeptic but once someone mentioned the idea of Dragon making it rain on Mariejois I had to kneel

[final trench]

Or he can make a snake with the wind

[distant vine]

Go ahead man. Weather logia

[dense haven]

vivi also made it rain

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/riz4rizz/status/2053289441024700679/photo/1
this is so sick

riz 🐊🇺🇦 (@riz4rizz)

first dragon aka rain god concept attempt i defo will do more #onepiece

X · May 10, 2026, 1:42 AM

[rain cedar]

I've seen good arguments for vivi

[ashen perch]

its the logia effect

[deep chasm]

like as in something he'll do in the future or youre saying this has happened

[distant vine]

He'll do in the future

[deep chasm]

give her the paw frut

[deep chasm]

ah

[ashen perch]

its been so long since a logia showed up that you guys are forgetting what a Logia is supposed to look like

[final trench]

Uhhh

Karasu?

[deep chasm]

lmao

[rain cedar]

greenbull

[deep chasm]

okay arsal

[muted hedge]

but yeah i am leaning towards that Vivi is Zaza and not Dragon

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-karasu-one-piece-commander-karasu-of-the-revolutionary-army-one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-gif-5460570029560454374

[ashen perch]

yeah Karasu is a better example because he more closely resembles Dragon there

[rain cedar]

Just give his Dragon his stupid wind logia with an awakening

If logia awaken that is

[distant vine]

When Law and Dragon are the first two to touch down on Mariejois and its pouring rain

[muted hedge]

weather logia would be cooler

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[rain cedar]

It's the same shit

[muted hedge]

if a forest logia exists so could a weather logia

[iron oriole]

Dragon is the Mythical Logia Spirit Spirit no mi, model: Sylph

[ashen perch]

that would be a paramecia

[rain cedar]

Wind, weather, storm

[muted hedge]

just let me have this one

a weather logia

[hazy turret]

how

[rain cedar]

Storm sounds cooler

Even though it's nonsense

[hazy turret]

climate logia

[rain cedar]

But there was swamp

[ashen perch]

he wouldnt be made of weather???

[fallen meteor]

Wait

Cloud logia?

[rain cedar]

Sounds so nerdy

[muted hedge]

he'd be able to become any weather front

[sturdy steeple]

Okay? It adds layers I guess? They still get a cooler design by the end of the day. That we'll see more of in the future.
It would be a problem in my opinion if we didn't have other DFs at all but every arc introduces more of other types too so lol

[ashen perch]

how is anyone made of weather smh

[hazy turret]

literally the climate

[muted hedge]

i mean, how is someone made of forest

[hazy turret]

coooook him

[rain cedar]

Ummm actually, weather and climate are two different terms

[ashen perch]

that makes more sense lol

a weather is a whole category of elements

[rain cedar]

Weather is short term phenomenon and climate is long term

[distant vine]

Hmm, well maybe he could be a wind Logia but make it rain and such through other factors then

[golden valley]

Magma is too tho

[ashen perch]

its not how it works, rain logia, wind logia, whatever the weather can produce is an element

[distant vine]

Like pulling up water from the sea

[deep chasm]

well how is someone made of forest

[hazy turret]

so the climate is long term weather

[deep chasm]

thats still a good question by your logic

[fallen meteor]

Weather is too wide of a category for a logia i feel

[rain cedar]

I mean.....fuck you got me

[fallen meteor]

Forest is plants

[past flax]

my senses were tingling to come and disagree with whatever this is

[ornate tartan]

vivi rain god

[deep chasm]

forest is a bunch of things too, it aint just grass or tree

[golden valley]

Ye thats the main thing

[fallen meteor]

Pretty easy to limit

[ashen perch]

a forest is a very specific element relating to wood

[past flax]

weather logia wouldnt work smh

[muted hedge]

isn't forest too technically

[golden valley]

What would qualify as “weather”

[sturdy steeple]

It still might be a logia but that's a fucking cloud of dust dude

Covering his cape

[muted hedge]

any and all weather

[hazy turret]

i mean caesar...

[rain cedar]

Just call it a wind logia man. Wind can bring clouds and manipulate weather

[sturdy steeple]

It's not an actual argument

[ashen perch]

weather is a whole category composed of many different elements

[rain cedar]

Why is this even an argument

[distant vine]

No I understand Arsal's issue

[knotty root]

It's atleast tangible in the physical sense it's there

[deep chasm]

a forest is not a specific element its an accumulation of things including wood grass etc

[golden valley]

Also these aren’t reasons as to why Dragon cant have a weather logia btw

[past flax]

nami is the closest we gonna get

[distant vine]

Forest is way more tangible than weather

[fallen meteor]

It looks too wispy to be just that

[knotty root]

"weather" itself is too general

[golden valley]

Oda can just make anything up

[hazy turret]

the weather is just a bunch of gases

[ashen perch]

weather is a much more abstract concept than a forest, cmon

[rain cedar]

Wtf do you even need weather for. Just make it wind

[knotty root]

It can mean many things if someone were to use it as a concept

[rain cedar]

It's that simple

[sturdy steeple]

He used some kind of power is the thing

[hazy turret]

a bunch of specific gases

[muted hedge]

anyways i think a weather logia would be sick

[golden valley]

So Oda can just make the weather logia qualify as this

[distant vine]

You wouldnt ask "How can you be made of forest" cause the parts are clear

[ashen perch]

Paramecias are super powers, so weather paramecia would make sense for example

[golden valley]

It would arguably be the strongest

[deep chasm]

sure, the point is still by your logic a forest logia shouldnt work either

[hazy turret]

FINE

[fallen meteor]

This is too specific to be just dust for me

[ashen perch]

a paramecia that allows the ability to manipulate weather

[ornate tartan]

[hazy turret]

ATMOSPHERE LOGIA, sky logia

[past flax]

if weather devil fruit exists then might as well make the water water fruit existant

[distant vine]

But for Dragon to be "made of weather" in the same way would imply he's made of water and wind and maybe other things

[golden valley]

No

[ashen perch]

yeah I have no clue what they are talking about, its very clearly the same effect that we've seen on logias

[deep chasm]

you could think it makes more sense as a paramecia, it just wouldnt be that hard for oda to make a weather logia too lol

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/2054138857893802191
interesting

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[rain cedar]

Just make him a wind logia????

[distant vine]

I mean he could be a Weather Special Paramecia

[rain cedar]

You can be made of wind

Wind can manipulate weather

[distant vine]

Yeah I think this works best

[hazy turret]

oh yeah special paramecias

[past flax]

true

[ashen perch]

Wind logia is 10 billion percent the case

[fallen meteor]

Woosh woosh no mi

[ashen perch]

people are just overcomplicating this

[rain cedar]

Yeah

No more Zaza

Or weather

[past flax]

lays chip bag no mi

[distant vine]

She aint even that scary 😭

[hazy turret]

forest logia is bullshit too idk why that gets a pass

[golden valley]

I mean wind logia is the highest and most concrete guess rn

[ornate tartan]

offensively i think it will always keep its spot

[golden valley]

Because he legit makes a wind blast

[fallen meteor]

Isnt it just plants

[ornate tartan]

magma is too lethal

[golden valley]

I mean sure ye

[knotty root]

Would nature logia get a past

[muted hedge]

you sure?

[hazy turret]

yeah but weather is just gas

[ashen perch]

he has caused wind blasts on TWO separate occasions

[sturdy steeple]

Soot is probably the stupidest shit I've ever heard but

[fallen meteor]

Then he would be a gas logia

[hazy turret]

insert taco bell joke here

[sly belfry]

i think we had enough warmup, when does elbaf get good

[past flax]

gas gas no mi

[hazy turret]

but the weather is a specific set of gases

[rain cedar]

Wooooowzers, Here's your upvote

[ornate tartan]

fire logia is also extremely strong and can be versatile if sabo plays his cards right

[golden valley]

I just dont want dragon to be a mythical zoan

[hazy turret]

caesar is all the gases

[golden valley]

Like can Logias pls get their shine back

[past flax]

when gin shows up idk

[golden valley]

“Strongest fruits” my ass

[hazy turret]

also, as if there hasnt been literal carbon copies of other dfs

pun INTENDED

[ornate tartan]

“rarest fruits”😂😂

[fallen meteor]

Its still weird
Either its one thing or the whole category of things

[iron oriole]

He's a myth Logia

[ashen perch]

The Gray Terminal one is especially important, because there was a literal genocide happening over there and all he could pull off is a wind blast to evacuate the residents, not extinguish the fire with rainfall

[golden valley]

[sly belfry]

i sad good not bad

[fallen meteor]

Atom logia

[ashen perch]

the chances of Dragon being a mythical zoan are 0%

[sturdy steeple]

We have like 4 strongest people in the world with logias and then AN EMPEROR on top of it

[golden valley]

Idk arsal

[final trench]

Idk about zero

But they’re low

[sturdy steeple]

And we're saying we need them to shine more
Greedy.....

[fallen meteor]

Zero is crazy

[ashen perch]

I am right

[iron oriole]

He's gonna be a Sylph, a wind spirit able to manipulate the weather etc, trust me

[hazy turret]

And this leads me to the dragon is the real villain of the story theory

[past flax]

wheres the money money no mi where bro just loaded all the time with cash

[fallen meteor]

Oda about to introduce the djinn mythical just to fuck with you

[balmy field]

why are you thinking like this? every top tier either have top tier paremecia or mythic zoan/ancient zoan

[ornate tartan]

why would oda hide dragon power all this time for it to just be a logia

i think dragon has a mythical zoan

[past flax]

alright time to log off

[maiden smelt]

Is imu a mythical zoan

[fallen meteor]

Imu isnt even a fruit

[final trench]

Because he a top tier

[sturdy steeple]

We don't know

[knotty root]

Explain your agenda

[sturdy steeple]

He has a really weird thing about him

[dense haven]

we already have daifuku

[sturdy steeple]

His power is just called "Devil Fruit"

[muted hedge]

no

[sturdy steeple]

Whatever that means

[golden valley]

Oda is getting ready for the logia comeback

[muted hedge]

i still think that Imu is the literal devil

[blazing depot]

I’m praying that Dragon has a logia cuz I’m lowkey getting so sick of all these mythical zoans

[maiden smelt]

Logia awakenings are immune to haki

[dense reef]

I still think Imu is the literal god

[fallen meteor]

But thats just a regular djinn
Oda is going to name this one Jaja and say its the wind god

[hazy turret]

its very simple: i dont have one and was just talking out my ass

[blazing depot]

Maybe he made a deal with the devil?

[final trench]

What if dragon is a Kui 😵😵😵

[blazing depot]

I doubt he’s actually Satan

[fallen meteor]

I support this theory

[muted hedge]

i think he actually is, lol

[maiden smelt]

What if dragon doesn’t have a DF

[graceful grove]

It means oda can do all the asspulling without having to explain anything

[ashen perch]

Logias are the strongest type of DFs, it was a logia that was one of the very few powers to be straight up called invincible lol

[sturdy steeple]

We have like Kizaru, Kuzan, Sakazuki and Aramaki
Then we have Sabo and BLACKBEARD
All of them are with logias

[final trench]

Shandorian magic

[past flax]

if imu is the actual devil this story is smoking on drugs for real

[golden valley]

Dragon being a logia is so much better because literally embodying a natural thing will feel more godly

[hazy turret]

they are going to flog you in the town square for this

[dense reef]

Smoking Zaza

[muted hedge]

basically

[ashen perch]

BB has a logia as his main power, most admirals have Logias, Enel had a logia

[past flax]

yo oda is that you

[maiden smelt]

I hope the man marked by flames has a water logia

[graceful grove]

Trust me he had one. He would eat one just to avoid being a hakiman like his dad

[knotty root]

If that were the case it would feel like the actual Satan would be the villain not imu. Imu had so much buildup it would feel weird that his powers were granted by an anomaly far more greater then him

[dense reef]

Don’t compare me to that chud Mangaka

[balmy field]

nope logias were the strongest in pre ts after that MYTHIC ZOANS became more relevant and most importantly fruits of gorosei,luffy,choppa(might) and IMU(might be mythic zoan)

[final trench]

The sea sea logia👀

[ornate tartan]

no character in the entire series no matter how strong they are has had their power hidden longer then dragon, we’ve even seen small glimpses of shanks blackbeard kaido all the old gen and even IMU can do bro, we’ve even seen mihawk and sengoku fight for short stints but never dragon, when we finally get to see what dragon can do and it’s just a wind logia power where would be the hype in that 😂😂 something people have been saying for 2 decades

[ashen perch]

Goro Goro no Mi was called one of the few invincible powers in the world, Yami Yami no Mi was called the strongest devil fruit by Blackbeard

[final trench]

Oh brother

[sturdy steeple]

Logia gives you destructive powers on top of being almost invicible

[muted hedge]

Imu would be the actual satan of the story

[ashen perch]

these are LOGIAS

[final trench]

Nigga gave me a paragraph

[sturdy steeple]

Definitely the strongest type in that sense

[dense reef]

Im still on the theory that Imu ate the Demiurge fruit

[golden valley]

Oda will use Dragon and BB as logia hype

[muted hedge]

Imu = Satan in this universe

[sturdy steeple]

Also Akainu has the most destructive power in terms of damage I think?

[final trench]

Well what zoan do you think dragon has

[ornate tartan]

he don’t got no damn wind logia bro

[ashen perch]

yeah Keeper

[hazy turret]

!mural

[tropic nova]

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[final trench]

Since you think it aint a logia

[muted hedge]

i doubt that Blackbeard even has a logia

[past flax]

too bad bro is chained to his desk

[maiden smelt]

And Kizaru has like the fastest DF

[ashen perch]

Magu Magu is the most destructive DF ever

[final trench]

Also blue flame sabo

[sturdy steeple]

He do be melting his brain

[maiden smelt]

It’s always logias

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard's darkness fruit is probably a hidden mythical zoan

[sturdy steeple]

That being said

[muted hedge]

it feels so obvious

[ornate tartan]

I think he either has the rain god fruit(unlikely) or has something similar to nidhogg that was important in the VC

[golden valley]

The biggest issue here is treating “Wind Logia” like some low tier fruit 😭

[final trench]

An important logia

[golden valley]

Like if he has one, thats hype

[final trench]

You’re right krometheus

[sturdy steeple]

I dislike the notion of saying Dragon 100% has a logia. It's possible but let's not go say it like it's confirmed.

[final trench]

He HOPEFULLY has a logia

[ashen perch]

people are underestimating the scale of what he could pull off

[final trench]

But if odas a troll its a
Dragon zoan
Snake zoan
Kui (?) zoan

[ashen perch]

Kaido was devastating with his very limited wind powers

[graceful grove]

Hito Hito model Lucifer. His awakening will give him a tail and horns

[ashen perch]

Dragon's gonna be that on steroids

[ornate tartan]

the wind logia is the man marked by flames and he uses that power to create the whirpools in the ocean and speed up his ship

[maiden smelt]

I hope it’s a wind logia and not a storm logia

Idk why wind seems cooler

[pseudo gulch]

Fart logia

[muted hedge]

he already has a tail and horns lol

[pseudo gulch]

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