also-manga

[stone tulip]

Cause there is implications that Nika may have been the exception with how he was written in the Harley text compared to other gods specifically

Cause after all he is the only god that was written in quotations and he seems to be a god who existed through people’s dreams specifically which pissed the earth god off

Plus we also had instances of other characters seemingly have super natural powers without devil fruits, like Momonosuke for example is the only one who Zunieshia can obey, or how Shirahoshi is reincarnation of an ancient weapon

[golden jacinth]

Vivi/nami is the rain goddess

Dragon uses the dragon claw fighting style

[stone tulip]

Leaning towards Vivi but I can see the arguments for Nami to be one

[golden jacinth]

Yeah

[stone tulip]

Dragon is more associated with wind than rain anyways cause otherwise he would have used the rain during the grey terminal incident

[golden jacinth]

Hmm

I dont like the idea of dragon having the wind logia

Not a cool enough power for the GOAT 🐐

And also doesnt justify the lightning in lougetown

[warm sierra]

Its just gonna be mythical zoan again

[golden jacinth]

No either a weather paramecia or dragon claw fighting style

[stone tulip]

I mean wind can influence the weather or more specifically cloud plus in one piece world even a simple power can be broken

[golden jacinth]

Hmm 🤔

Dragon claw fighting style seems the most probable to me

Just pure haki and the fighting style he invented

[safe cove]

i believe zaza was lily

[stone tulip]

Nah dragon is most likely a devil fruit user

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-cat-gif-20344103

[golden jacinth]

Could be but i think he uses the dragon claw fighting style

He taught that to sabo after inventing and mastering it

[safe cove]

as for the fruit now, my theory is that imu kept it or it hidden in laugh tale with the rest of other god fruits

[golden jacinth]

🤔

[golden jacinth]

This also justifies him using winds and lightning

[stone tulip]

I don’t think both are mutually exclusive

[stone tulip]

There is a chance that rain god isn’t even a fruit cause Vivi might have inherited that ability if Lili was indeed the previous Zaza

[golden jacinth]

Definitely isnt a fruit if vivi is the rain goddess

Ig even in nami's case it isnt a fruit

[stone tulip]

Yeah cause there was implication that Vivi summoned that rain at end of Arabasta

[golden jacinth]

[golden jacinth]

Yeah

[warm sierra]

I think even if it was just Crocodiles powers stopping working and not vivi its still good setup for the rain god stuff for Vivi

[stone tulip]

If not then he could have the storm fruit really

[golden jacinth]

He could make storms with the dragon claw fighting style🤷‍♂️

[stone tulip]

Crocodile himself wasn’t the cause of rain though, it was dance powder

And even by his defeat we know it didn’t immediately rain until Vivi’s final shout

[golden jacinth]

If he has a fruit then its either wind logia or weather paramecia

[stone tulip]

Doubt it tbh

[golden jacinth]

Its simple
Like sabo used dragon breath to find a weak point (or its core i dont remember 😅) to destroy the colosseum, dragon could find a weak point in the air (where currents meet) and destroy it?(Idk what should i say) This will cause a sudden pressure drop (nami noticed a pressure drop in lougetown too) forming a storm

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/lab-labe-zolu-zoroxluffy-one-piece-gif-18008154

[stone tulip]

I don’t think what Sabo did is similar to what Dragon had done

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/koby-koby-op-one-piece-op-marine-gif-17356348738541159237

[fiery spire]

Koby: does honesty impact
<roblox breaking noises>

[echo lake]

Le phonk respecte

[crude nebula]

Imus nightmare

[dense haven]

so true

[stray prism]

one pience is so mid fr

[dim cave]

[prisma yacht]

one piss

[ashen perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_qWsQNWSVI

What the people arent ready to hear is that any moment now, he's a-coming

I will be ready to admit that we're in the climax when Shamrock is here tbh

but until then, we're not

also @hot cairn I'm lowkey already leaning towards 120 chapters Elbaf than 100 chapters, but 100 is still definitely my minimum

only 43 chapters till we hit 100, which honestly doesnt feel long at all atp

[small ember]

So is there an actual rain god out there or is Zaza not real like Nika or Imu

[ashen perch]

I think all the gods are real, it just depends on what that means

[small ember]

Oda breaks his rules and introduces a water fruit for Zaza

Or weather??

[ashen perch]

gods are probably just people from the first world with supernatural abilities

[prisma yacht]

We are at 1182

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/icepeppajay-zaza-zaza-zaturday-saturday-tiktok-gif-1296781027405349554

[hearty shore]

if someone extracted imu's powers like they did with all those gods, it'd be rune rune fruit

[prisma yacht]

14 more until 1196

[hearty shore]

the ability to do WHATEVER YOU WANT as long as you get the rune right

[prisma yacht]

[ashen perch]

it would make more sense if it wasnt a fruit tbh

like what good is causing a flood if you can be a victim of the flood yourself?

[hearty shore]

nah man if there's a water fruit out there i'd expect the user to be immune to at least the water they create

otherwise it'd just be making them feel dizzy and weak 100% of the time

[ashen perch]

eh I dunno why the mother sea would make an exception for anyone lol

its better for it to be a separate ability, like an ancient weapon for example

like Shirahoshi is just born with the powers of Poseidon, the current Zaza can just be born with those abilities

[hearty shore]

anyway i'm more interested in the reunion between nika and zaza because that will create a rainbow and the harley texts say "surely they will meet again" in the third world

[fallen meteor]

he's so dead

[urban lodge]

Kill Road instead

[small ember]

Zaza please be Vivi🙏

[ashen perch]

Vivi is really the one reasonable option

I'd say Zunesha has more going for it as an idea than Dragon lol

[dense haven]

im surprised you're not preaching for dragon

[ashen perch]

I'm reasonable y'know

I'll never preach an idea if it didn't make some sense to me smh

[native cloud]

[native cloud]

I thought I about this but and I have to say it’s really not possible

Hear me out…

The drought in Alabasta wasn’t natural at all. It was caused by Crocodile secretly using a powder called “Dance Powder,” which steals rain from one area and causes it to fall somewhere else. He manipulated the kingdom into thinking King Cobra was responsible, so the people would turn against the royal family.

As for Nefertari Vivi being a rain goddess — that’s actually a really interesting theory.

Canonically, Vivi isn’t confirmed to have any divine powers or a Devil Fruit related to weather.

@ashen perch @stone tulip @lofty fern

[dense haven]

vivi made it rain at the end of alabasta

[native cloud]

No she didn’t

It was just timing Spice

[hearty shore]

well it was technically luffy who brought back the rain, so it would be cool if we saw whomever holds zaza's powers bring back the sun sometime in the future

and i think the bigger picture is becoming clear now

luffy and whomever has the zaza fruit will reunite at the end of the manga

and they are both the two big players who help triumph in the final war

[stone tulip]

Obviously crocodile was the one who used dance powder to stop the rain but even then it was pointed out that even though he was defeated the fight didn’t stop and instead we had a sequence of Vivi shouting out one last time before it finally rained

[dense haven]

vivi will bring the rain in elbaf too

[hearty shore]

ok now where's zaza in the mural?

i think it's those droplets of rain

above the flying whale

[stone tulip]

Very possible

[stone tulip]

Elbaf is on fire right now so

[stone tulip]

Yeah it’s above the whale

[native cloud]

All I’m saying is that the timing was perfect to seem like Vivi brought it back

Oda was a genius for this

Cause look at you guys now lol

[stone tulip]

Maybe the timing was on purpose to hint that there is more to Vivi than that

[native cloud]

I guess we’ll have to wait and see my dear friend

[dense haven]

just let vivibros have it

[stone tulip]

Nah I have been clocking in with this scene for long time, it’s only this chapter added the fuel to fire

[dense haven]

they only catch Ls

[native cloud]

Okay Spice I can respect that

[stone tulip]

I mean do we really get an L when Oda makes her relevant rn ?

[native cloud]

What I’m really interested in is what Sandman posted yesterday

About Luffy and Imu

[stone tulip]

You know makes me wonder what Imu’s nickname would be

Cause Luffy does give most villains nicknames sometimes

[native cloud]

To Luffy it will be Mumu

[stone tulip]

Kaido and Crocodile seems to be exception

[hearty shore]

if luffy learns about everything imu did, his nickname will just be "Saint Nerona Imu"

[stone tulip]

Nah it could be based on his appearance like devil guy or demon

[digital spear]

Mungo

[grand flower]

You’re too adamant that it’s a coincidence

[native cloud]

Honestly, I don’t think Luffy will really know about everything yall

Shuron, it’s a theory, I’m allowed to say no to it lol

[grand flower]

That’s not what I said

[crude nebula]

.

[native cloud]

I know what you said but still, I think it was just a coincidence

[crude nebula]

Dance powder = rain
Zazas drums of liberation is a dance thing

And that means robin is the rain god

Or vivi

[digital spear]

I enjoy your name

[crude nebula]

All of us want another lockdown

For prime tiktok

[prisma yacht]

We dont

[grand flower]

Thank you it’s very fun

[hearty shore]

no we don't want a 40% mortality rate, like genuinely we're potentially ONE mutation away from humanity ending by pestilence

[digital spear]

The fog is coming

[crude nebula]

We all want hentai virus jokes for the next 3 years

[grand flower]

COVID’s was like 1% btw lol

Shit is crazy

[dense haven]

hentai virus lmao

[hearty shore]

covid was super duper ultra contagious

so it's gonna kill way more people than the 1% appears to be

[dense haven]

we do want high mortality rate tho because that means people will die before they spread

[grand flower]

When you gotta hentavirus one of the first descriptions is “rare but frequently fatal”

[dense haven]

covid was dangerous because it had a long period without symptoms where you still spread it like crazy

[hearty shore]

and it mutates every shower

(i take showers daily)

[dense haven]

anyway we aren't getting a second pandemic in our lifetimes

famous last words

[prisma yacht]

[hearty shore]

ebola 2014, covid 2020, hantavirus 2026; 6 years per pandemic

[prisma yacht]

Atleast Arsal didn't have to go thru this

[digital spear]

https://youtu.be/KMLkBTgxPhU?is=pZctqLYT3HlpWO6x this will be hentaivirus

[dense haven]

ebola was not a pandemic tho

it was just the media doing its thing

[wraith mantle]

Chill

[dense haven]

they thrive from mass hysteria

anyway I knew covid was s serious thing the moment they cancelled nba games

[ashen perch]

Which is especially silly cause even in universe, the rain is questioned by characters

The whole idea of calling anything into question is to make the reader question it too

[dense haven]

arsal do you think vivi will bring the rain to elbaf

[rustic coral]

(no)

[hazy turret]

And it spread muuuuch easier

Low mortality rate but infected more people so higher death rates 💀

The moral of the story? Staying at home all day and having no friends is the right way to live life

[dense haven]

I remember at some point scientists were saying they found covid in the water too

[hearty shore]

man that's EXACTLY (1:1) how i live rn

[small ember]

Damn

[hazy turret]

If your eyes don’t take 10-20 minutes to adjust when you go out in daylight, you’re doing it wrong

[prisma idol]

Trueeee

Been practicing this for years now

[hazy turret]

In 2026, we are lonemaxxing

[prisma yacht]

#alphalonewolf

[small ember]

If Vivi is Zaza it’s prob something Oda thought of sooner rather than earlier

[dense haven]

goda

[odd rune]

oda is a weed smoker confirmed

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-fire-giant-gif-26699887

[spice python]

oda loves the zaza

[small ember]

Oda:

[hasty sable]

How is this going to come back

[prisma yacht]

Time dilation

[gleaming notch]

yep

[ornate tartan]

bring luffy back

[final trench]

#soon

Gear overdrive

[grand flower]

The news report I saw on hanta said that someone caught it on that cruise by walking past a dinner table with someone who had it

[rustic coral]

https://fixupx.com/animeupdates/status/2053428019100877016

Anime Updates (@animeupdates)

Former 'DRAGON BALL' editor Kazuhiko Torishima reportedly says the difference between Eiichiro Oda and Akira Toriyama is that Oda is "too in love with manga and his own story"
︀︀
︀︀Meanwhile, Toriyama allegedly hated drawing manga, pushing 'DRAGON BALL' to become more simple, fast, and universally readable, according to Torishima

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FixupX · May 10, 2026, 10:52 AM

Every time he talks he thinks he is shitting on Oda but it just makes Oda look better

Absolute cinema

[hearty shore]

gokky

[grand flower]

Yeah and the fact that it’s summoned by dancing which Vivi did as part of what made her stand out

[hasty sable]

Is Saul the burn scar

[urban lodge]

Definitely not

[prisma yacht]

I read this thinking he was boasting about oda's work ethic

[urban lodge]

With any giant the defining characteristic that people would immediately notice is their size, not any scars

[remote maple]

allegedly?

[wraith mantle]

biblu is clearly arnolt

[dense rapids]

*Vivro

[prisma yacht]

Shut up buggy

[dense rapids]

I legit think it’s Vivro

[prisma yacht]

[dense rapids]

Vivre
Vivi
Vivro

[dense rapids]

They’re all connected to Lily

Lilith was called the screech owl

[prisma yacht]

Cool but we will call him biblu

[urban lodge]

Usopp should wear his hair down

Looks way better

[ornate tartan]

who is vivro pal😂😂

[dense rapids]

It’s gonna be Vivro

[prisma yacht]

[final trench]

🌗🌗

[ornate tartan]

u think he has something to do w vivre cards

[dense rapids]

Maybe or Lily herself

They’re all in the same name family

[final trench]

Zoro standing over the half moon🥹

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-rolling-dice-numbers-gif-15741296581127851655

[dense rapids]

Vivi could’ve been named after Lily and Vivro

Lily was revealed 1085

Biblo will be revealed as Lily’s owl 1185

In 3 chapters

Maybe Imu will see him and start having an anxiety attack from remembering Lily

[dense rapids]

“Vivro you’re here too… All the people who’ve betrayed me”

[alpine trench]

the spreads of last chapter in HQ jp raws

[spice python]

is the CD fear of water/rain because of seawater neutralizing DF powers? or rising sealevels?

[dense haven]

because they dont shower

[spice python]

[final trench]

They thought they could escape the flood

[spice python]

yeah the giant bridges are starting to make a lot of sense

[dense rapids]

The Earth God is Yona

Aka Davy Jones

ヨナ = Yonah (Jonah)

Yonka 2 is his descendant

[timber glacier]

that shit died with the zaza reveal imo

[dense rapids]

Bro must be reading a different manga because this only pushes it ?

[timber glacier]

how

[final trench]

Earth God is likely imu

Or the one before imu

[dense rapids]

Jonah and the Whale

The Ghost of Jonah

Davy Jones

Yona Yona is onomatopoeia for night after night

[dense rapids]

“Who will win, the sun or darkness”

[final trench]

#pending

[dense rapids]

Imu’s death foreshadowing

[final trench]

Nah i dont think he’ll die with this but he’s definitely gonna be stopped by davy jones

[dense rapids]

Swallowed by a great fish mimicking Jonah

[timber glacier]

Ok i sort of see the vision but i also dont see oda retconning BB fruit

[dense rapids]

I didn’t say Blackbeard was the earth god?

[final trench]

Cursed image

[dense rapids]

I said Davy jones

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/luccidiorr/status/2053375444066455746

kota (@luccidiorr)

#onepiece1182

X · May 10, 2026, 7:23 AM

[final trench]

The yami is the true fruit of davy jones

[ashen perch]

The guy is just looking for attention lol, its really pathetic for someone who would be considered a legend in the industry. Hearing him out makes me understand why Toriyama had a love/hate relationship with him lol

[dense rapids]

Naw Davy jones is still alive

Tho if he isn’t

[timber glacier]

Well with that inherited will and Legendry fruits coming back BB will probably have the same fruit as Davy, Like How luffy has the same fruit as joyboy and Loki with the God of War

[dense rapids]

Then yea Blackbeard 100% has the earth god fruit

Hito Hito no Mi: Yona

[runic dock]

The difference between Oda and toriyama is Oda doesn’t treat his work like McDonald’s?

Oh great thank you

[ruby cape]

Is Torishima good bro “yeah man Oda loves his work too much that’s the problem” 😭

[runic dock]

Bb being earth god is just early leak nonsense

His fruit could be retconned sure but it still wouldn’t be an earth god fruit necessarily

Same with dragon being rain god

Early leak nonsense trash

[rain cedar]

I still hope Dragon has the wind logia

Like c'mon, ITS RIGHT THERE

What's the point of a mythical zoan

[dense rapids]

Tbh Blackbeard has been been in the same category as Luffy for years where his fruit doesn’t operate like its type

So I doubt it would be a retcon if it is it

The signs have always been there

[grand flower]

If Blackbeard has the earth god fruit itll probably be because of the fruit that makes earthquakes, not Yami 💀

[runic dock]

I could agree there

[grand flower]

Both fruits work the way they do because they operate like their type lowkey

Blackbeard is hurt when stuff hits his darkness form because he’s made of darkness

[runic dock]

Why would that “because” explain that tho? What about darkness makes you hurt more?

[final trench]

Fed post

[dense rapids]

^

[final trench]

You cant turn into the element

[dense rapids]

And the true power of the Yami isn’t the darkness

It’s gravity

[dense rapids]

The earth’s gravitational pull

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/marshall-d-teach-kurohige-the-blackbeard-vs-porgtas-d-gif-15126066886707124121

[grand flower]

It pulls in everything that touches it, including the damage

Unlike fire or ice where the attack passes through harmlessly

The fact that Teach feels that damage is why it operates just like a logia

He’s not just making darkness, his body IS the darkness

[balmy field]

this chat got no real arguement lmao

[grand flower]

What does that mean

[grand flower]

This feels like one of those theories that’s trying too hard to outsmart the series

If anything, Yami is connected to the sea because of the vortex and black water names, and the allusions to the bottom of the sea

[dense rapids]

Bro doesn’t read the series

[grand flower]

Even Davy Jones is better for the sea becausw that’s what Davy jones’ locker is

[runic dock]

Tbf that’s due to the gravity aspect of it

[grand flower]

You guys know stars are very famous for their gravity rihht

Black holes too

I wouldn’t use gravity as proof that Yami is earth god related

[runic dock]

Idk about th earth god stuff

[grand flower]

Yami at least is definitely gonna be sea related before anything else

[upper rose]

Earth god fruit could be yami because the yami and blackbeard both embody greed and the earth is associated with greed too, as in buried treasure and as in skypiea where earth itslef is considered to be treasure

[grand flower]

Nah

[dense rapids]

“The earth god covered the world with darkness”

An eclipse

[grand flower]

Super volcano

[dense rapids]

Eclipse

[iron oriole]

If i had to go with any fruit for Earth God for BB, it would have to be the Gura... the fruit that can literally split the earth etc

[upper rose]

Wakainu is the forest god

[runic dock]

You just giving buggy more ammo with this one

Bottom of the sea touches the earth itself

[upper rose]

And buggy is the rain god

[grand flower]

These are really bad reaches

[final trench]

With the serpent of hellflame

[grand flower]

Why would you make Yami the earth god in such a roundabout way

[dense rapids]

I don’t think bb is the earth god so I don’t really care

I think he’s mimicking the powers of the earth god while the actual is trapped below the sea

[runic dock]

Hmmm

[dense rapids]

Js if Davy is really dead then Blackbeard has the earth god fruit

[final trench]

The yami is more water related

[dense rapids]

That’s like the most obvious thing

Could literally have the spirit of Jonah inside him

[grand flower]

The Harley description of the earth god is definitely a volcanic eruption that created the red line

The ash blocked out the sun

[dense rapids]

I wouldn’t say definitely

Darkness can be interpreted a lot of ways

[grand flower]

When super volcanoes erupt irl the ash can block out the sun

[upper rose]

When imu’s running around using literal demon magic and the first world is implied to be heavily mechanized i don’t think there’s much reason to assume that the darkness was sourced from a supervolcano

Could be magic, could be indistrial smoke, could be anything

[grand flower]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire

https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/how-climate-works/mount-tambora-and-year-without-summer

I would

The serpent of hellfire is the red line before it cooled into the red line

“Death and darkness” = ash cloud blocked out the sun

“Fire in the ground”

If any DFs are the earth gods, it’s probably Akainu’s or Quake

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-blackbeard-ace-juhtawn-gif-25523545

[grand flower]

That’s it it’s not just Pluton

[dense rapids]

Oh damn I forgot the first place we see a vivre card is Alabasta too

Vivi was there too

And Gloriosa was the one who explained it to him

[upper rose]

I still don’t see why y’all think baseline powers are all that could determine who a god is when the one 100% confirmed god we have is luffy, whose sole justification could be that he brings and symbolizes freedom and laughter as the sun does, whose powers have little to do with the actual ball of burning fire and plasma that the actual sun is, or the “flames of war” that the sun god is said to have spread

[dense rapids]

^

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-gen-v-no-homelander-no-gif-5144619848989128837

[dense rapids]

Buggy has a god fruit

[upper rose]

And it is the rain god

[final trench]

Fair point, but until further notice i believe the earth god is imu

[dense rapids]

The Hell Serpent

Earth God Davy Jones and his Hell Serpent Buggy

[royal orchid]

buggy has that god fruit

[dense rapids]

Caesar Clown commanded fire salamander

Buggy The Clown will be the fire snake itself

[prisma yacht]

[crude nebula]

Our 2 final villains

[rain cedar]

That's misquoted though

Like horrendously misquoted

Ngl, not a big fan of this new era of every DF being some hidden god

It was fine for Nika

But now it's just super lame

[warm sierra]

god piece

Oda already laid the groundwork in Skypea and still people go like its some last minute thing he thought up

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-gen-v-no-homelander-no-gif-5144619848989128837

Theres only 6 so its ok

[upper rose]

The rain god seems to be another name for the sea god judging by their places in the elbaph and skypiean pantheons, bringing to mind noah’s ark and with it the rainbow that symbolized god giving the world a second chance

Rains symbolize second chances as we saw in alabasta, so does the rainbow as we saw from goldenweek’s rainbow colored dreams reigniting baroque work’s dreams

Buggy gave second chances to the impel down prisoners, reignited the dreams of cross guild, reignited his own dream, is poised to reignite the passions of mihawk and crocoboy both

Buggy’s fruit is one that gives him second chances, lets him reform himself exactly as he was no matter the damage he takes

Buggy’s fruit splits himself apart, like how oceans split into clouds and rain, like how rains split light into rainbows

Visually buggy is a flashy, living rainbow, and one of the main defining visual motifs of zaza - spherical beads - is reflected in buggy’s nose and his buggy balls

The painters of elbaph further link rainbows with water and the sea too, now that i think about it

[rain cedar]

Fuck no lmao, I'll take my regular zoan, paramecia and Logias

[upper rose]

Lowk true but i get around it by not glazing them for their power

[rain cedar]

It's just overly convoluted nowb

[iron oriole]

Vivi is Zaza, if not her then its Toto

[dense rapids]

Buggy was defeated by the rain god tho

[crude nebula]

Ppl are such oda glazers that they’re okay with it

[rain cedar]

See, it's not the worst thing if Oda wants to write his own mythos

[dense rapids]

And wanna know what’s crazy

[red lagoon]

But if the rain god is vivi it’s not about dfs cause vivi don’t have a df

[rain cedar]

But god, these theories where everyone suddenly now has some hidden God DF is like some fanfiction pulled straight from reddit

[dense rapids]

I kept ranting to Shuron on how I thought Buggy ate the Sasa Fruit

Sasa = Zaza

[final trench]

Shirahoshi is the sea god and she doesnt have a fruit

[stone tulip]

Who knows about Oda, he is either great at foreshadowing or improvising, sometimes both

[rain cedar]

Again, if we are talking about Zaza then that's a legitimate god which exists in the mythos of the universe. That means there is a good possibility that a DF does exist

Same logic as Nika

[stone tulip]

Nika was implied to be an exception anyways according to Harley so who knows

[rain cedar]

What does that mean

[stone tulip]

Nika was written in quotations in Harely text compared to other gods plus his existence pissed off earth god

[rain cedar]

Where?

[stone tulip]

Talking about Japanese version

[rain cedar]

Why would they omit it in the official if it's important

[golden jacinth]

!mural

[tropic nova]

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[golden jacinth]

Use this command instead

[stone tulip]

No idea but here is the raw

[rain cedar]

And I don't think it specifically means that Nika pissed off the earth god

[final trench]

Nika freed his slaves

[rain cedar]

My interpretation is that the first world ended due to a man made apocalypse. The earth god raging could just refer to the earthquakes

And the serpent of fire as well

[stone tulip]

I mean there is a reason why it said the “earth raged” after all

But yeah ”太陽の神” is sun god in quotation

Only one to have that too

[rain cedar]

Interesting ig

[iron oriole]

I wonder if Nika is a false God of sorts

[stone tulip]

So really there is a chance that Nika is exception because if this and rest of the gods might not be devil fruit users unless it’s title or something

[stone tulip]

More like he is far special perhaps

Like something is unique about him compared to rest of the gods and might have to do with devil fruits

[iron oriole]

I think Nika is the youngest of the Gods at least, could just be due to the VC hiding history but the whole different versions of Nika, makes it sound like Nika isn't very fleshed out in terms of what he is as a God etc

[stone tulip]

Idk about the youngest god but him not being fleshed out does explain why the giants have different interpretations of him so much

[rain cedar]

If you think about it, Elbaf has their own god as well

Who wielded Ragnir

Now Ragnir is legitimate but idt we will have a DF for Elbafs god

[iron oriole]

Yeah the War God & somehow destroyer hasn't been used for him yet

[knotty root]

The person doesn't seem like an actual deity unlike the rest

[iron oriole]

It was Nidhoggr

[rain cedar]

Nidhoggr was a dragon though

[iron oriole]

Which was the War Gods fruit

[rain cedar]

Oh I see

Could be he was a king who later got the title of a "god"

[final trench]

Nah it wasnt the war gods fruit

He can just turn into the dragon

[iron oriole]

[rain cedar]

It wasnt due to him not being fleshed out though. Jarul says it's because they can't properly decipher Harley

[knotty root]

I guess bro

[rain cedar]

It was an interpretation issue

[stone tulip]

The elbaf god in question is nidhogg

[final trench]

Yes

If he fought nika then dfs aint exist yet

[stone tulip]

The previous Nidhogg was Elbaf himself so

[iron oriole]

If you wanna say the War God didn't have a DF & could just turn into Nidhoggr then the DF that Loki has now is just the War God in DF form

[knotty root]

I'm going have to read the nidhogg chapter again

[final trench]

Yea

Same way ragnir was just a squirrel and not in the hammer

[iron oriole]

So Nidhoggr is the War Gods DF

[final trench]

Not until he died atleast

[rain cedar]

Until we get the confirmation

Who knows

Idt it's Nidhogg, it could be a DF user later being turned into a god

[iron oriole]

Depends on if you believe DFs existed in the 1st world or not

[final trench]

Only in the 2nd world and up

[rain cedar]

Lmao that's confusing

[final trench]

He’s a shapeshifter like loki was supposed to be

[iron oriole]

I wanna know the process of Ragnir becoming a DF & when the hammer ate it, since presumably the War God is holding the hammer that is later known as Ragnir

[rain cedar]

If this is from the first world, then Ragnir is one of the oldest objects in the series

[native cloud]

Huh?

Isn’t the “God Of War” just an epithet?

[bold sonnet]

I think she is referring to this

[jade rain]

Yea, just like sword god ryuma. Ig both do not have any god powers

[rain cedar]

Ryuma is different though

He was a legitimate human given the title of god

[wraith mantle]

zaza da goat

yoo

final war about to be peak agenda

we will have an agenda faction for each god

[rain cedar]

It reminds me of clone piece in Egghead

[native cloud]

Yes, I know that bro. I just think it’s an epithet like “War Land”.

[jade rain]

God war is also most probably similar, did niddhogg have actual god title mentioned in it's df?

[rain cedar]

Nope

Everytime Elbaf has been mentioned, he has been called a god

Ryuma on the other hand was a guy

With a human lineage

[bold sonnet]

I see

[native cloud]

This is just like Luffy having “ Warrior of liberation” or “ Sun God”

[jade rain]

The df isn't elbaf, it's niddhogg. The god the df represents should be the actual god

[rain cedar]

Nah, Elbaf and Luffy are different cases

Luffy is called sun god because his DF was based on nika

[prisma yacht]

poop

[native cloud]

Lol

[rain cedar]

And nika is supposed to be fighting Elbaf according to jarul

[native cloud]

Wait a minute

“War Land” and “The God Of War” are epithets of Elbaf, how I’m I wrong here?

[final trench]

The god of war is elbaph yea

[rain cedar]

The island is Elbaf and their god of war is also called Elbaf

[native cloud]

[bold sonnet]

What is confusing you lol

XD

[rain cedar]

Oda low-key might've forgotten he had already named their god of war

[scenic dirge]

Kratos

[native cloud]

That there’s was a guy called Elbaf if I’m understanding him correctly

[bold sonnet]

[warm falcon]

hi

Nidhogg is the hellflame/karma serpent?

[bold sonnet]

@native cloud

Oops

[bold sonnet]

@native cloud

[bold sonnet]

Possibly yeah

[bold sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-gold-gold-gold-gold-cs2-cs2-cases-gif-10056763089801407532

[iron oriole]

War Land is just the the name of the Kingdom iirc within Elbaf the island

[warm falcon]

if so, Imu is the earth god in the Harley

altho im a bit skeptical

[bold sonnet]

I am actually writing a theory regarding this, and the theory goes like this: He is both the earth god and the forest god.

I am too lazy to work on it but it is almost done.

[warm falcon]

in the mural "forest god sent the demons'

this "to send" can be interpreted as 'to repel' too

[iron oriole]

Its Forest God tamed Demons

[warm falcon]

altho 'send' is the most expected and common reading

[bold sonnet]

I will ping you when I am done
Trust me, it makes a lot of sense after reading it

[rain cedar]

I think the forest god thing is supposed to be the creation of devil fruits in the second world

[bold sonnet]

[rain cedar]

I might be forgetting but do we know if DF always existed or only after void century

[warm falcon]

im not shifted to this though as well, forest god can be the collective term for the devil fruits

[bold sonnet]

Nika and toki toki no mi exist so during or before vc

[prisma yacht]

[bold sonnet]

[warm falcon]

since in the trees dwells the spirits of ancestors according to the Skypea arc

[bold sonnet]

White holy trees

[warm falcon]

you have the spirit of Merry too. soul -> trees

[bold sonnet]

I made a connection to that

[iron oriole]

Personally think DFs existed in the 1st world, i think the line about "touching the forbidden sun" is partially about DFs but also about the OG mother flame

Forest God taming Demons i think is literal & is about Imu

[warm falcon]

we dont know, still a mystery

[rain cedar]

My theory is that Nika really existed or at least the guy who inspired its myth. Then the DF was created and joyboy ate it

[bold sonnet]

True, we literally have the god of war and ratotskr as a proof

[iron oriole]

Well Ratotoskr is a weird one

War God had a hammer which is presumably what is now known as Ragnir but the squirrel was fighting Nika seperately

[bold sonnet]

Maybe.

[rain cedar]

Yeah because this is supposed to be the mythic era

I think the point is that DF didn't exist and were created afterwards

That would explain Ratotskr merging with Ragnir instead of fighting separately

[bold sonnet]

I mean, he could transform into a dragon. That is proof enough that df existed since the first world, maybe.

[warm falcon]

森・の・神・は・魔・を・遣わせた

the verb is the last word there

[iron oriole]

!mural

[tropic nova]

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[rain cedar]

Also

[bold sonnet]

It is very vague and debatable tbh

I am fine either way.

[warm falcon]

i compiled every text in the original japanese, if u want them to personal search

[ornate tartan]

my favorite part of the mural is the people with the small bundles of energy in their hands walking in a single file line up a ladder in a factory with gears that looks like the sun

[pulsar path]

So it's kinda interesting that we probably are going to have more goda than is mentioned on the mural like I don't think the rain god is the sea gods

What other gods could we meet

[iron oriole]

I can't read Japanese so

[pulsar path]

Elbafs god isn't mentioned as well

[bold sonnet]

Rain God was mentioned in skypeia arc

[warm falcon]

遣わせた: sent, dispatched, let go
-> its the more expected translation

[iron oriole]

But isn't the translation used

[pulsar path]

Yes but I'm saying rain god and sea god are not the same god that's all

[bold sonnet]

Rain God, Forest God, Earth God, Sun God, Sea God, God of War, God Usopp etc

[bold sonnet]

[pulsar path]

Wow

I forgot the best god

😭😭

Godsoppppppp

[ornate tartan]

god of the rain and god of the sea are seperate entities most likely

unless you think zaza is the one who got angry after joyboy died

[warm falcon]

thats why i had the care in separating every word. we can search in dictionaries now ^^

[gleaming notch]

hahaha

[iron oriole]

Sea God is just Poseidon imo, Zaza is definitely a seperate God

[rain cedar]

It's the age of mythical zoans in one piece

[pulsar path]

I got some crazy takes too like I think Nika and Imu( his devil maybe ) were the 1st worlds Nika cus like why else is he acting reminiscent of God of war and squirrel boy at least that's the feeling I'm getting? Plus Lucifer is the devil and his name literally meaning the morning star and he's the star that fell from grace ......the Nika that fell to darkness the gear death Evey one wanted

[warm falcon]

森・の・神 = Forest - of - God(s) -> God of Forest
は = subject mark
魔 =demons, evil
を = objetct marker
遣わせた = send, dispatch, avert (in past tense)

[bold sonnet]

And mythical zoans are supposed to be rarer than logia

[warm falcon]

then 'the forest god dispatched the demons

[pulsar path]

We have had some none mythical fruits introduced

But not really any big important characters tbh

[rain cedar]

Lowkenuinely ran out of elements so he switched to making his own gods

Infinite mythical zoan hack

[warm falcon]

clearly different

[pulsar path]

Like id wanna say that like that but I mean Loki and rats fruit should be crazy compared to like swords fruits

[warm falcon]

the sea its like having a soul itself

its the mother of life

like Aramaki said

[bold sonnet]

[warm falcon]

the forest god maybe is hinted by Aramaki

( i almost forgot ab him)

blame shanks in making me forget this crucial info in the forest god topic

[pulsar path]

Imu may be a false god as well because there's some evidence that he may be robotic

[rain cedar]

Is it his fault that Aramaki acted like a bum 😔

[pulsar path]

Like what if the seels and magic were all Anciant tech turning people into regenerative cyborgs

[knotty root]

The steel hearts are interesring

[pulsar path]

Alternatively it's probably the earth god because he makes metal and shit as his source of deduction

[knotty root]

The steel bullets aswell

[pulsar path]

Yes!

Ether cybernetic or earth god Is my idea

[knotty root]

Reminds me of toph

https://tenor.com/view/toph-beifong-gif-22387695

[pulsar path]

Or both

[warm falcon]

i guess its more related to the advanced technology of old century

[pulsar path]

I think it's possible for sure

I mean also I think we have a possibility of Imu just having very similar powers to other fruits my other idea is it reminded me of bege fruit

Like omen is my military might

Does that mean like he's got lil devil or people he capptured in a abye he uses one. To channel 🤣 probably not but it seems like he has a lot of powers comparable to others

Or he's like the first serphim as well

Sorry I'm brain barfing

[rain cedar]

Remember that Imu was also summoning guns out of magic pentagrams

This dude runs his own power system

[iron oriole]

What if its like a copy ability & thats why the trees & houses on Elbaf are basically homies

[hot cairn]

lol man this is 100% not happening, this is Wano all over again. You kept saying we’ll get more than 150 chapters and we didn’t . I think you’re overestimating how much we’ll actually do here.

[warm falcon]

well, akumas (christian devils) can use magic. its a well established trope in the japanese media

[ashen perch]

I said 150 in Wano and we got 149 though?

[rain cedar]

I don't disagree

[ashen perch]

I mean my minimum is a 100, like it was 120 there. I just think it can go higher, thats all

[rain cedar]

I think the homie thing is part of his powers that we have already seen. Like we know he can share his strength through omen and contracts. Probably the same thing happening with those houses

His strength is flowing into objects

[warm falcon]

well, maki can be read as devil's aura, so its expected this influence in outer ambient

but ofc there is something more

[ashen perch]

like...

I know what I said smh

the estimate on Wano's length was like one of the 10 things I was actually right about during Wano 😔

[dark nymph]

nah

wrong by 1 chapter

[warm falcon]

good morning, arsal sama

[ashen perch]

140-150 covers it really

morning

[rain cedar]

Smth smth lightning doesn't strike the same place twice

[pulsar path]

Omg please make Imu Kirby omg

That would be my god

[warm falcon]

||kirby|| is too overpowered

[pulsar path]

Pink skin incoming

[ashen perch]

it will

[hot cairn]

you did say there was going to be more tho when I joined the server:

[dark nymph]

I'm still thinking mid 80s

[pulsar path]

True they can probably solo any verse

[scenic dirge]

Can Kid show up already

[wraith mantle]

nothing would ruin elbaf more

[dark nymph]

Kid fans did you like the chapter

[pulsar path]

Oh shit you know

[ashen perch]

Im looking through all my messages and they are all saying 150 smh

[rain cedar]

No, because then the arc would suck

[pulsar path]

If Imu is metal

[dark nymph]

more steel right

[hot cairn]

but yeah I just think you’re wrong Arsal

[pulsar path]

Kid could be a huge asset

[hot cairn]

Elbaph won’t be 120 chapters long

[pulsar path]

Also kid could be the earth god magnetic powers is basicly earth strongest force

[distant vine]

@grand flower I think you gave a rebuttal against my claims of Law vs Imu in the past. What do you think of it now considering this potential connection

[ashen perch]

it will be 100 chapters long, any less is when I am wrong

but I wont be

[dark nymph]

he could redirect Imus attacks

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-mustaine-megadeth-hello-me-meet-the-real-me-gif-11795044245159182899

[knotty root]

I think the community would riot

[warm falcon]

heavy metal vibes?

[rain cedar]

Um actually, the magnetism is caused by the flowing metal so technically, Akainu would be the earth god

[hasty sable]

Imu burn down Yggdrasil but Zaza will put it out

[pulsar path]

Why is Luffy sitting with them

[scenic dirge]

I think people are probably going a bit overboard with attributing these gods to certain characters in the present story but who knows

[pulsar path]

I would riot and it was my idea lmao

[hasty sable]

I think it works for Vivi

[rain cedar]

Im happy as long as Dragon ends up with a goddam logia instead of a mythical zoan

[warm falcon]

maybe

[pulsar path]

Flowing metal is earth!!!!!

Earth is just rocks and elements

Omg

[ashen perch]

do you deadass believe it will be less than a hundred chapters Evan

[dark nymph]

lowkey want it to happen just for this tbh

[pulsar path]

Sanjuaaaaaaaaannnn

[hasty sable]

How many is it so far

[ashen perch]

or did you just want to react to "'Arsal is wrong'' 😭

57

[rain cedar]

And thats what lava is buddy, so Akainu wins

[pulsar path]

I should bother him to come back

[hasty sable]

Probably less than 100

It is already in home stretch

[scenic dirge]

Elbaf? I literally have no idea what you guys were even arguing about, I just agreed with him saying that you’re wrong

[ashen perch]

thought so

[knotty root]

What kind of moves would akainu pull up in the endgame I wonder

[hot cairn]

I agree, I don’t see the Zaza thing coming back honestly

[ashen perch]

but yes I mean Elbaf, I think it has atleasat 40-ish chapters to go

[warm falcon]

well, you were talking ab the 80's and then metal, so i misblend everything in my silly mind xd

[hot cairn]

it’s just a dream monster

[knotty root]

A volcano mech sounds lit. But I think we've overdone it with mechs atp

[hasty sable]

Zaza is definitely for Vivi imo but I don’t know about Earth and Forest aside from the fact they’re obviously referring to something

Sea God too

[dark nymph]

ohhh lmao

[scenic dirge]

It has at least 20 chapters so who knows. If we’re at 57 rn I can see it going to 90 maybe

[somber flare]

Earth god Jaza (Eustass Kid)

[pulsar path]

Idk I have no basis for this and I'm not like going to stand by this by any means but I think 20-25

[scenic dirge]

Including whatever post arc shit

[wraith mantle]

vivi being the rain goddess is like, one of them very safe bets

[pulsar path]

Just call her rain kami lmao

[rain cedar]

Reminds me of Jika

[ashen perch]

We got some proper fights to go through, flashback with Gunko, post arc stuff and the unexplored Heaven Realm and then some cutaways. It can go longer than 40 really

[scenic dirge]

There’s at least 20 more chapters of main conflict left imo. There’s still quite a lot of things that haven’t come into the fold yet even tho Imu has arrived

[somber flare]

I’m done predicting how many chapters are left

[pulsar path]

Idk I think it's 50/50 her an dragon

[hasty sable]

Zaza even had a parallel to Nika with the “rhythm of the rain dance” thing. It’s def not a one off.

[ashen perch]

Imu and Chopper

[scenic dirge]

Like even after Zoro and Sanji defeat their opponents, there’s normally at least 10 more chapters of main stuff that comes after that before the conflict is fully resolved

[hasty sable]

I can see argument for Blackbeard as Eartb

[warm falcon]

i had the tendency in thinking most gods were just metaphor for nature, not anthropomorphic beings. but this last chapter reopened the possibility for some of them , at least, ig

[somber flare]

Imu is the hell god

[wraith mantle]

without conq i dont see how sanji can defeat his enemy

[ashen perch]

I do understand why BB could be one of them atleast because there seems to be a pattern with the posters

[wraith mantle]

and idk if zoro has enough mastery over his conq to defeat super sommers

[rain cedar]

I had hoped that was the case as well but ig Oda wants to do more nikas now possibly

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-hades-thumbs-up-good-great-gif-5148075

[prisma yacht]

poop

[ashen perch]

Imu, the one holding the posters - Earth God
Luffy - Sun God
Vivi - Rain God
Shirahoshi - Sea God
BB - ???

[somber flare]

King of Hell vs God of Hell (Zoro vs Imu)

[rain cedar]

Did you lose a bet or smth

[ornate tartan]

omen sommers bouta rock some folks

[pulsar path]

I think the gods come in all forms like for example the sun god is probably a title if you ask me

[knotty root]

Im still betting that imu is the sea god honestly

[ashen perch]

That does leave BB to be the forest god, which isnt unlikely at all

[pulsar path]

While some gods were man made

[hasty sable]

Zoro and Sanji fights are about to happen now and these will be relatively shorter fights I think. Not like King and Queen. Then Loki and Luffy vs Imu will probably be ten chapters along with mandatory doomsday timer climax. Then post-arc. Eighty chapters or so maybe.

[pulsar path]

Iema

I mean

[warm falcon]

the text is purposely dubious, so we have to crack the brain now

[pulsar path]

Imu is on a. Timer right now isn't he

[prisma yacht]

I love pooping

[ashen perch]

youre not considering the million scene changes between them

[prisma yacht]

[scenic dirge]

I agree that the gods themselves are/were actual figures. Same goes with the wielder of the Nika fruit inhabiting the legend of Nika. But I think once we get a chapter like this, it often spirals into contrived comparisons like “Kid is the earth god!” which are largely baseless and just a product of hype. These gods may be attributed to certain characters we’ll see, but I think a lot of the theories that are inevitably going to come from this chapter are probably jumping the gun a bit

[wraith mantle]

hopefully they are short because the HKs make quick work of them

[warm falcon]

or not, One piece is not that complicated, it simple tbh

[hasty sable]

Nah believe in ZoSan

[ornate tartan]

you see the conviction sommers had
to not disappoint the great one and to live up to his expectations in his conversation with killingham

a far cry from the same guy who said he’s gonna blame his failure on the great one 10 chapters ago😂😂

[dark nymph]

Summers would do well in corporate

[ashen perch]

he can only have 30 minutes and it wouldnt really mean much, Wano's final 15 minutes were actually like 35 chapters lol

[scenic dirge]

Why would that happen? I think Zoro and Sanji kind of just experienced their loss and embarrassment quota for the arc ngl. Their “you better not fuck this up” thing at the end of this chapter is the sign that they’re gonna win these fights. Imu a different story tho

[rain cedar]

He's sadistic enough to be in HR

[pulsar path]

Yeah but Oda pacing is different now he doesn't seem to be trying to run the timer out

[hasty sable]

Vegapunk’s ten minutes

[prisma yacht]

What's hr

[pulsar path]

Also Imu coughing an huffing more and more every chapter

[ashen perch]

its actually better than Wano's pacing

[somber flare]

All these super important characters as the embodiment of gods and then there’s chopper

[ashen perch]

(Wano was faster)

[warm falcon]

🛳️ 🛐

[pulsar path]

Plus like do we really want this to be where we see all of what Imu can do?

[rain cedar]

Human resources. It's a j*b

[pulsar path]

This seems like this this is a taste of me by

[hasty sable]

ZoSan losing to Sommers and Killy they would never live it down

[prisma yacht]

How dare you

[hasty sable]

These are goofy ass villains

[rain cedar]

[scenic dirge]

I’m ngl tho, I think Sommers and Killingham are kind of lame opponents for Zoro and Sanji even tho I like them as characters. Even with the Imu buff, they just feel like downgrades. Especially since I think this is where both of them might get some sort of powerup?

[ashen perch]

I mean

Kaku was very goofy

and Zoro did lose to him

[scenic dirge]

Idk I find it hard to take Sommers that seriously even tho he’s clearly dangerous 😭

[rain cedar]

So was queen

[hasty sable]

Sommers and Killy are actually not all that strong without Omen is part of it

[ashen perch]

Kalifa was pretty goofy too, and she humiliated Sanji

[wraith mantle]

yeah sommers has no aura

[scenic dirge]

Yea without Omen they’re kind of bitches

[pulsar path]

Kaku had drip tho

[hot cairn]

is it because Sommers is hilarious? Queen was kinda goofy too and he gave Sanji a fight

[pulsar path]

And aura

[ashen perch]

Sommers is pretty serious now, he's developing a bit of an aura

[scenic dirge]

Nothing to do with goofiness

[prisma idol]

Sommers isn't supposed to have aura

[pulsar path]

Plus he's usopp

[hasty sable]

The real reason for these fights is so ZoSan can get their haki upgrades before the real bosses later

[scenic dirge]

Goofy does not equate to strength or danger

[wraith mantle]

yeah thats why Evan isnt taking him seriously

[pulsar path]

Well he has aura is just bad aura

[warm falcon]

ahem... super sommers

[hasty sable]

So I think they will be pretty short fights

[somber flare]

It feels weird because we know their power is fraudulent and that Zoro and Sanji normally wash them

[prisma idol]

[pulsar path]

• super sommers

[ashen perch]

if its short itd be because the knights made quick work of them lmao

[wraith mantle]

sanji going to get his Conq 🗣️

[pulsar path]

He's finally get his coc

[ashen perch]

if Zoro and Sanji have to win, they cant be short fights

[warm falcon]

goofy and cool at same time

[rain cedar]

Lowkenuinely Sommers doesn't feel allat great as a fighter

[prisma idol]

I just dont want oda to have buffed them to just have them get rocked again, that would be beyond lame

[rain cedar]

Killingham still has his sleeptids

[dark nymph]

they will mid diff them

[ornate tartan]

they aren’t

[cold steppe]

It's possible to do short fights that are difficult

[wraith mantle]

i truly dont think sanji and zoro will win, the HKs cant be bitched again after getting an Imu upgrade

this reflects poorly on imu xd

[hasty sable]

God Knights are the Tobi Roppo of the WG

[hot cairn]

Arsal is the only person here who seriously believes that Zoro and Sanji aren’t beating the knights LOL

they literally got buffs to be threatening to them

[pulsar path]

I think the fights won't end

[cold steppe]

One piece fights are too long

[ornate tartan]

the knights now are different

[prisma idol]

I would love for them to lose. But I dont trust oda

[hot cairn]

and they’ll still win

[pulsar path]

Mid fight they all going to leave

[scenic dirge]

It’s more you’d think in an arc where Luffy and co are fighting IMU, the opponents of these 2 would feel a little bit more threatening but they feel more like afterthoughts. And yea, I do think the fact that they were kind of a joke before now makes them come across as less threatening too

[ashen perch]

yeah I am sure they wont beat the knights, I am leaning towards a non conclusion where the Knights just look better atleast

[dark nymph]

Sanji offscreened Killy, gonna need a lot more than a buff to convince me Sanji is gonna lose to him now

[hasty sable]

Part of it is also that Elbaf is a transition arc imo

I don’t really mind it

Luffy and Loki aren’t beating Imu either

This is just setting up endgame

[cold steppe]

I always thought at the very least Sommers would end here

[somber flare]

Eh I think it’ll be a win by ring out

[cold steppe]

Like saturn

[scenic dirge]

Imu not losing is to be expected obviously. I think these knights are pretty expendable tho ngl. Honestly would clear up more room in the final war lol

[wraith mantle]

Dragon was waiting fo these guys to mobilize huh

[prisma idol]

I just want oda to get to the loki hybrid already

[final trench]

CIA agent

[ashen perch]

this is radiating aura tbh, you guys wouldnt get it

[somber flare]

Imu isn’t healthy anyway

[dark nymph]

next chapter...

[rain cedar]

The GK still dogwalk anyone without acoc

[prisma idol]

Evan isnt ready for Mafgey to get her Omen buff and go full Godzilla zoan and destroy everyone

[somber flare]

He’s already huffing and puffing after one good hit from Loki

[hasty sable]

There are plenty of God Knights for these two to lose

[scenic dirge]

Also the fact that Sanji isn’t fighting Sommers feels weird to me lol. Felt like a natural contrast

[rain cedar]

This is like sweat scaling lmao

[knotty root]

There are supposedly 8 god knights yeah?

[final trench]

Not even close

[somber flare]

Imma be honest I really don’t feel that threatened by Imu at this point

[prisma idol]

Its nerfmu yeah

[warm falcon]

so goofy that Nami had awakened the Gay-ki, the gay energy in all living beings

[wraith mantle]

how many in the rev have acoc?

[prisma idol]

I feel like Sommers straight up tells us "hey this is imu nerfed"

[rain cedar]

None except dragon maybe

[ashen perch]

thats not because of the hit lol

[somber flare]

Not really they keep making a note that Imu is not regularly out and about like this and he’s hurting

[ashen perch]

its because he's physically weakened

[scenic dirge]

Imu being away from Marie Geoise clearly takes a toll on him. Really the only way out for the SHs imo

[hasty sable]

They are literally kidnapping children and had to get a boost from their boss to be threatening. They were also comic relief villains before this. Their aura is in the negative.

[somber flare]

It’s a combination of being sick or whatever and being hit

[ashen perch]

he literally showed up huffing and puffing lol, these hits arent really relevant to that

[ornate tartan]

how did sanji seperate killingham body parts with help or no?

[hasty sable]

Zoro should have had asthma it would have been cool

[scenic dirge]

Also Sommers got straight up embarrassed from Gaban earlier too lol

So

[final trench]

Im saying

[rain cedar]

No, I meant that huffing and puffing doesn't really matter a lot. We know he is nerfed already

[final trench]

Bro needed a 2nd boost to lift a giant boat

#rest

[ashen perch]

he definitely had help and they ganged up on Qilly, people are just in denial

[prisma idol]

Gunko is the only one who really had a good looking fight so far from the HKs

[somber flare]

Well that’s what I’m saying, that he’s nerfed

[scenic dirge]

Well Gunko is different

[somber flare]

So I don’t think he’ll like destroy Luffy and Loki together or anything

[wraith mantle]

gaban would have ended her if she didnt use the kid as captive

[ornate tartan]

seems more likely sanji doesn’t really have the tools to inflict lasting damage on a HK

[warm falcon]

!huff

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486983010025996299/745901054390042664/ENI0niV.png?ex=65e02c7d&is=65cdb77d&hm=89ddb7df93d8407839092eb214dc6b2d59b8e6b5ce9417ce3821caf1ed4236f6&

[cold steppe]

Clearly he's being set up to retreat

[prisma idol]

I disagree

[scenic dirge]

She’s clearly got an actual storyline set up that isn’t just to do with being a subordinate henchman for the SHs to fight

[hasty sable]

Imagine Imu comes back to be immediately killed by Blackbeard

[ashen perch]

Sommers actually blocked multiple hits from Gaban after being caught off guard, and its not an insult to lose to the left wing of the Pirate King anyways

[prisma idol]

It wouldnt be as quick yes, but gunko would have won still

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-celebrating-gif-6529507804860980052

[knotty root]

1. Gunko
2. Shamrock
3. Sommers
4. Killingham
5. Maffey
6. Image below
7. Image below
8. Image below
9. Image below
   By the looks of it one of them died, if I were to guess it's probsbly the one with the cap

[ashen perch]

Sommers is going to bully Zoro and the people arent prepared to see this yet.

[prisma idol]

Why do BB fans want the story to be ass?

[somber flare]

I do think Blackbeard will be the one to kill Imu

[warm falcon]

the fans are not sending enough valentine choc to Zoro, since theobromine heals asthma

[wraith mantle]

bb fulfilling rocks promise of returning to the flower chamber

[obtuse imp]

We don’t really know how big of a jump in power Omen causes. Rain god is the only thing you can point to so far

Sommers heaving a ship I imagine he can do normally lol

[final trench]

Sommers only bullies helpless children and women

[prisma yacht]

4 unknown makes it 9

[ashen perch]

Zoro took less damage from Imu so he can have his classic fight where he's left like 95% dead after it

[scenic dirge]

These things are always to do more about optics and presentation than anything else tho. The things you said can be true but also not make people feel as threatened from Sommers

[knotty root]

Yeah right my mistake

[scenic dirge]

Or Killing

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-matthew-mcconaughey-crying-cry-emotional-gif-25242936

[grand flower]

I did? Nah I don’t think it’s impossible fr and yeah I wondered the same, if the water name has anything to do with it. Laws family could come from some union between a D and folks of the rain god if such a thing exists

[ashen perch]

Its better to start counting Sommers feats now than when you have to after he's bullying Zoro...

[hasty sable]

We had the CoC setup earlier with Gaban.

[prisma yacht]

The one who is dead is maffey

[hasty sable]

It’s for Zoro and Sanji to level up against scrubs with immortality

[somber flare]

Unfortunately this is where Sanji gets it as well

[final trench]

Sommers after 1 ashura😵

[scenic dirge]

I mean they’re not the same. I don’t think anyone is denying that the omen buff is real lol. It’s still just this feeling of damn, these guys are kinda lame

[ashen perch]

no but seriously, I dont disagree that he didnt look good but its still Gaban after all, I just dont think it was a big deal

[cold steppe]

I hope he doesn't create a thorn sword just because it's zoro

[somber flare]

I still think Sommers is straight dying here

[scenic dirge]

Also the heart thing will be relevant right

[prisma yacht]

Super sommers is stronger than prime gaban

[hasty sable]

They had to cheat so that Gaban didn’t immediately resolve the arc

[ashen perch]

Rayleigh even made BB look bad without even fighting, these guys are legit

[final trench]

Sommers is just observation haki training

[scenic dirge]

The thing that Zoro realized

[hot cairn]

Has to be

[obtuse imp]

I having a feeling Omen is gonna be that strong and Sanji and Zoro will get dog walked at first

[ashen perch]

seems like their hearts might be made of Omen

[grand flower]

Theyre yuppy rich kids

[final trench]

#nah

[scenic dirge]

Literally

[grand flower]

They don’t know what it’s like to get it out the mud

[unreal tinsel]

isnt that heart thing just immortality?

[cold steppe]

Sounds like their weakness

[somber flare]

I think the omen is just gonna make it an even matchup

[scenic dirge]

At least the art during the Killingham fight has potential to be really good. I really liked how he drew Zaza this chapter

[hasty sable]

Sanji using observation to find the heart and taking Killy out with precision attacks while Zoro masters ACoC and brute forces Sommers

[scenic dirge]

Want more of that shit

[cold steppe]

It would explain how harald died

[final trench]

Ohhhhh so this what we doin

Bet

[somber flare]

That’s still a huge buff

[latent hamlet]

Rayleigh passed the intimidation check

[ashen perch]

its just true sorry

[final trench]

Sommers was scared to fight luffy with his few people, yet bb was ready to take on luffy with van augur doc q and burgess

If this how we playing it

[latent hamlet]

BB: oh god its the dark king I'm gonna get curbstomped

Rayleigh: thx fuck he still thinks I can win

[ashen perch]

???

when? Jaya??

😭

[hasty sable]

Reactions if Blackbeard kills Imu as soon as he returns to the Holy Land fulfilling Xebec’s promise

[final trench]

W speedread

[obtuse imp]

What are among Sanji’s greatest fears? Zeff, becoming Germa? I know it’s redundant since he just dealt with his internal struggle in Wano vs Queen, but still

[ashen perch]

oh Winner Island

[final trench]

BB literally told law he knew himself, kidd or luffy would come this way

What are we talking about

[ornate tartan]

wapolmetal

[ashen perch]

I mean its irrelevant to what I am saying tae

[somber flare]

Blackbeard is also kinda stupid

[final trench]

Anyway, sommers was scared to fight luffy but bb wasnt

[final trench]

No it isnt

[ornate tartan]

blackbeard is actually pretty smart

[obtuse imp]

Luffy is Nika so the context is different for them

[ornate tartan]

he makes some shrewd moves

[somber flare]

No he’s pretty dumb

[ashen perch]

The whole point is that its not an insult to look bad versus a wing of the Pirate King, I dont blame BB for being terrified

[somber flare]

Just lucky

[ornate tartan]

trying to get a seat at the reverie is very smart

[somber flare]

Opportunistic

[hasty sable]

Sommers isn’t built for this

[ashen perch]

just like I dont blame Sommers either

[grand flower]

Patriarchy

[hasty sable]

Ray also said that he would have lost to Blackbeard tbf

[grand flower]

I too am afraid of patriarchy (I’m 6’0 btw)

[unkempt dagger]

The Moment Imu steps off screen into the Holy Land BB will jump him

[hasty sable]

Sanji Germa arc Part 3

[somber flare]

Rayleigh just got aura I guess

Boa was really the problem

[obtuse imp]

This is kinda what I don’t want which is why I’m trying to think of other fears for Sanji

[unkempt dagger]

The abyss teleports wont be so slick every so often

[ashen perch]

yeah he did

[ornate tartan]

ray is a old man he wouldn’t have won

[unkempt dagger]

Mf Imu been practicing setting up spawn points

[ornate tartan]

even prime rayleigh isn’t

boa hancock however that’s another question

she can beat everyone in one piece lowkey😂😂

[somber flare]

Sommers is such a bum that getting buffed to Zoro level is good enough for omen to be considered crazy

[ornate tartan]

her hax is crazy

[obtuse imp]

I can get behind this

[unkempt dagger]

Sommers getting buffed only to be 1/10 past Luccis power

[obtuse imp]

I want Omen upscaling

[unreal tinsel]

i dont think anybody could defeat bb with just haki alone tbf

[somber flare]

Like imagine omen on Shamrock

[prisma yacht]

Watch sommers go 1v2 against zoro and sanji

[ashen perch]

I dont think Omen's about to be a big boost, he'll just be Zoro level without that being the case

[somber flare]

That’d be about the only way he could probably fight Shanks

[prisma yacht]

Oh did I say sommers

SUPERR SOMMERSS

[obtuse imp]

Lend me your Omen Imu we’re up against injured Zoro

[hasty sable]

Is Imu going to exile or kill Sommers and Killy after this fight

[native seal]

super sommers is such an oda joke

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/threescompany-threes-company-tv-retro-tv-tvretro-suzannesomers-gif-24696901

[obtuse imp]

50/50

[ashen perch]

It would be just ridiculous if Omen was actually like a 10x boost or something, a 10x Nusjuro is not even beatable and this is going to be used on him eventually.

[stone terrace]

Omen gorosei are actually yonko level

Sbbbbb 😭

[ashen perch]

they are already Yonko level?

[latent hamlet]

U right
We use super saiyan math
Its x50

Super Sommers after all

[obtuse imp]

I need to see how they actually fight with Omen

[stone terrace]

@pine scaffold 5 kaidos

[ashen perch]

Nusjuro, Garling and Warcury were always Yonko level atleast

[unkempt dagger]

Super Shamrock

[obtuse imp]

Best case it’s related to mostly a fruit powerup

[prisma yacht]

[latent hamlet]

We just judge them based off of how many kaidos

[ashen perch]

Peter, Saturn and Mars likely not

[obtuse imp]

Hence Zaza being summoned due to the sheer influx of power Qil has now, to the point he can barely control it

[prisma yacht]

Pk lvl Garling

[latent hamlet]

An elder has to be worth 3 kaidos

[ashen perch]

well tbh Mars is stronger than Luffy, so I guess that does make him Yonko level too

[cold steppe]

Kaido stopped being a milestone 2 arcs ago

[latent hamlet]

Emperor plus

[ashen perch]

sure yeah

[obtuse imp]

There still isn’t a character other than fully healthy Imu I comfortably say can 1v1 Kaido and even then

[latent hamlet]

Wait no
We should just use pirate king tiers now

[obtuse imp]

Kaido is actually him

[stone terrace]

Its already crazy oda decided to do another blunt weapon wielding horned dragon guy

[latent hamlet]

PK
PK+
PK++

[stone terrace]

Like loki is feeling like kaido 2.0

[ashen perch]

yeah I agree

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/pewpiece/status/2053814925726810556
"imu descends" goosebumps

Pew (@pewpiece)

🚨 Kohei Tanaka talks about the upcoming new OnePiece Elbaph OSTS to look forward to !
︀︀
︀︀“Though ‘Loki’s Theme’ has already been revealed, more tracks will appear one after another in the future, including:”
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︀︀• Full Elbaph Theme
︀︀• Harley text
︀︀• God’s Knights
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FixupX · May 11, 2026, 12:30 PM

[somber flare]

Imu get up bro where is this top 1 that I’ve been hearing all about

[unkempt dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/mars-mars-one-piece-one-piece-egghead-marcus-mars-gif-5847536768515603985

[hasty sable]

Loki is Kaido 2.0 and Kaido is Katakuri 2.0

[obtuse imp]

He’s sick 🙁 he doesn’t have the lower world antibodies

[ashen perch]

Loki is Loki 1.0

[obtuse imp]

Poor guy

[somber flare]

Hate to admit it but Loki is kinda just cooler Kaido

[hasty sable]

He is

[obtuse imp]

Pretty much

[unreal tinsel]

loki has more chance for development i think

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/Crowwnn/status/2053797038614261811/photo/1
sick

GCD (@Crowwnn)

#Onepiece
Imu...
Reference to that One Mihawk Art

X · May 11, 2026, 11:19 AM

[hasty sable]

Loki is all the old Kaido headcanons

[latent hamlet]

Loki has lightning too
Which is just advanced blast breath