also-manga

[ashen perch]

the CEO George Wada said they were committed to it long term

[hardy stratus]

which is so funny to me cuz like it's gonna not reach the bad parts at all

[distant vine]

Ok wait unironically that wasnt a sufficient amount of time to adapt the arc lol

[ashen perch]

Skypiea could be like what, 6 episodes? probably

[trim lily]

oh it was horrible yeah

[maiden saffron]

i think we'll atleast get loguetown and grand line very fast

in wit piece

after that alabasta takes a bit longer

[ashen perch]

oh wait not 6 episodes, thats impossible

[maiden saffron]

People only think skypiea is massive cause the anime makes it unwatchabl

Lmfao

[ashen perch]

probably 9-10

[maiden saffron]

do you mean 40 minute episodes

[ashen perch]

yeah

[maiden saffron]

yeah sounds about right

thats like 22 episodes of the normal anime

[ashen perch]

Skypiea is like 67 chapters I think

[maiden saffron]

skypiea is what in the og anime? Like more than 40 isn't it?

[hardy stratus]

67 episodes means a normal anime season length

[ashen perch]

45-ish iirc

[maiden saffron]

haha

6 7

[ashen perch]

I know it was on a 1.5 ratio atleast

[maiden saffron]

anyway

[ashen perch]

1.5 chapters per episode

[hardy stratus]

fucking hell demon

[ashen perch]

which is ridiculous

[hasty sable]

OP LA is going to Marineford

[hardy stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/kelsier-survivor-of-hathsin-mistborn-67-67-meme-gif-9832530834073776638

here's a 67 back at you

Archer do you recognize which character this is

[maiden saffron]

i think it would be nice if

kids of today can grow up with The One Piece

instead of old op

even if it takes another 20 years

[hardy stratus]

call me a doomer but

Idk man

[ashen perch]

thats the idea demon

[hardy stratus]

I just don't expect The One Piece to get the vibe right

[maiden saffron]

yeah the one piece isn't really meant for us, its for a new audience

[ashen perch]

thats why Oda requested the remake, he's frustrated that the new gen of JP fans dont fw OP like that...

[hardy stratus]

as well as Toei Piece

probably

[maiden saffron]

well toei piece lost the plot

[hardy stratus]

yeah most proolly

[maiden saffron]

at around alabasta mid way

[distant vine]

Remember to watch LEGO ONE PIECE on September 29, 2026

https://youtu.be/6OP_KhnmUus?si=DZVTCrOKevQdMxzp

[hardy stratus]

well they gotta start with problematic parts then man

the later stuff

[ashen perch]

youre free to still stick with Toei Piece if you do really want to, but the idea is to tackle the New Gen here

[maiden saffron]

they can't just start at FMI or something

thats not reasonable

[hardy stratus]

but they won't reach there as well

[maiden saffron]

why not

[hardy stratus]

didn't the above tweet mention it's a limited production

[maiden saffron]

you act like MHA doesn't have like 8 seasons or something

[ashen perch]

Oda pointed out that the work has become very long and rich in detail. However, since it started a long time ago, the new generation, accustomed to modern productions, does not necessarily feel the same excitement toward the older animation. He felt a certain regret about this and wanted younger audiences to be able to discover and follow the story.

[distant vine]

I think we should see how it plays out. I think East Blue has a strong appeal.

[ashen perch]

Emunopla makes things up, the CEO himself said that he's committed long term

[hardy stratus]

MHA is still like

[graceful belfry]

I’m sticking with Toei Piece because I’m like 95% positive it’ll still look and move better than The One Piece, pacing aside

[vernal ravine]

i think Lego is already planning a OP videogame

[hardy stratus]

1/4 of OP

[maiden saffron]

well i trust Wit Studio's interview with them saying they wanted to make it a long running thing

more than some "Insider sources 👀 "

[hardy stratus]

maybe

lets see

[alpine trench]

there's not even a single frame of animation yet

[distant vine]

Getting Lego games while the core series gets game cancellations LOL

[hardy stratus]

Rei is indeed correct and smartest of the group fr

[maiden saffron]

we havent even seen a trailer or anything yet, we'll probably see one on OP day

[distant vine]

Man I still havent finished LA Season 2

[ashen perch]

I really dont feel so strongly about Toei Piece to think that it cant and wont be surpassed

[maiden saffron]

and it's gonna look like one piece

[vernal ravine]

not soon but maybe in less than 5 years

[distant vine]

Will I watch TOP? I think I will

[alpine trench]

i dont trust the word of leakers

[maiden saffron]

I think Toei Piece is very easy to surpass beyond the very early parts

during the very early days, the art feels different

[ashen perch]

Emunopla lies all the time, dw about it. He's an aggregator.

[hardy stratus]

what's OP day?

[maiden saffron]

and the water color backgrounds look beautiful

but all of that doesn't last

[hardy stratus]

tomorrow cuz GoMu?

[alpine trench]

toei piece right now is fucking awesome

[distant vine]

Pre TS nostalgia slop

[maiden saffron]

its in july or something

[distant vine]

Sorry, that was too mean

[maiden saffron]

july 26?

something like that

[alpine trench]

OP day is when OP first started serialising

[maiden saffron]

it got delayed

[hardy stratus]

ah

[ashen perch]

OP day is a special event where they announce all the major OP projects for the year

[hardy stratus]

better than tiktok brainrot anime pace

[distant vine]

But personally I dont need the Toei East Blue "feel"

The way I see it is its a 2020s anime

[ashen perch]

it doesnt actually take place on the day OP started serializing

[maiden saffron]

People who feel really strongly about the anime only talk about the very early parts of it

[outer patio]

@hollow dove

Have you ever thought about how Roger had two rivals, Whitebeard and Garp, and how one was a D, and one wasn’t,

And Luffy has two rivals, and how one is a D, and one isn’t?

[hardy stratus]

I am ragebaiting with that Indigex since your message was ragebait

[maiden saffron]

the moment you get into alabasta, and god forbid into jaya and skypiea

[ashen perch]

but thats the idea lol

[maiden saffron]

its completely unwatchable

from a pacing and respecting your time standpoint

[distant vine]

Do you revoke when you called Frieren a TikTok anime

[hardy stratus]

for that the new anime should reach those parts first

which I highly highly doubt

[vernal ravine]

the unwatchable starts at Ennies Lobby/ Thriller Bark

[hardy stratus]

Frieren is tiktok anime of the slice of life anime

[ashen perch]

I am nostalgic about it too but I really dont see it as untouchable at all

[maiden saffron]

you highly doubt the new anime can reach chapter 170 ish?

[ashen perch]

its downright atrocious at times

[maiden saffron]

doesnt sound unreasonable at all lol

[alpine trench]

a rival is someone competing in the same field as roger like whitebeard, garp is a marine - garp and roger are ideological enemies

[hardy stratus]

It's Netflix

[ashen perch]

Its One Piece

[maiden saffron]

It's One Piece yeah

its not record of ragnarok

[hardy stratus]

I don't see either of OPLA or Wit Piece to go beyond idk Alabasta

[alpine trench]

interesting comparison

[ashen perch]

isnt even that still ongoing lol, I thought it had a season 2 recently

[hardy stratus]

up until Alabasta I can see

[hardy stratus]

have you seen the visuals man

powerpoint

[maiden saffron]

OPLA alabasta is literally march next year

[distant vine]

Ok One Piece is a lot of work to adapat

[maiden saffron]

you think they're not gonna make season 4?

[ashen perch]

oh it had a season 3 in december

[distant vine]

But its not impossible lmao

[graceful belfry]

I think this matters very little to my initial expectations. I’ve seen a lot of Wit’s anime. I’ve seen a lot of anime in general. Toei’s current One Piece is among the best looking anime in the medium, to me. The merit of The One Piece is easily discernible. There’s a lot of great things it’ll offer. Given everything we’ve seen from Toei since Wano, I think it’s really fair to assume most productions wont match that magic. Again, pacing aside

[hardy stratus]

doubt it

[maiden saffron]

feels a bit too pessimistic to me

[alpine trench]

RoR s2 is not as bad as s1 but its still bad

[ashen perch]

I have but its not like it got cancelled lol, also entirely different studios and situations as well smh

[maiden saffron]

netflix has tasted op money recently

as long as it makes money

they'll keep making the anime too

just that simple really

[ashen perch]

the OPLA is a mega hit

[distant vine]

I'm ok if TOP doesnt hit Toei's modern highs

[ashen perch]

the remake will be too, that shouldnt be a concern really

[native seal]

Witpiece has to reach marineford please

[distant vine]

A well paced good looking adaptation is all I need

[ashen perch]

Toei's modern highs arent untouchable either

[distant vine]

Just something to get people's foot in the door. "Start with this"

[vernal ravine]

OP is literaly the goose that lays golden eggs for Netflix rn

[ashen perch]

but especially the past lows I mean

I have atleast enough confidence in the remake to blow those away lol

[graceful belfry]

It’ll be awesome, no doubt. And I don’t even mean to suggest it won’t. Toei’s current team is just incredibly talented and it’d be difficult to produce what they had been producing on a weekly basis for any production team, yet alone now that it’s seasonal

[maiden saffron]

they have a plan with tomorrow studios to film 8 seasons or so

[distant vine]

Thats the most exciting part. To finally have a non manga version of the story that I dont have to put asterisks on reccomending

[maiden saffron]

Season 4 is gonna get green lit the day season 3 comes out

i think

[hardy stratus]

won't be the first when the plans change

[ashen perch]

well you wont have to worry about Wano, Egghead or Elbaf for a while. The comparison will be with Toei's past historical lows

[hardy stratus]

or stuff are cancelled

[maiden saffron]

if Season 3 is successful, which im sure it will be since its the conclusion of the biggest saga so far

they'll make season 4

its all money at the end of the day

[hardy stratus]

personally OP arcs which are unwatchable are only Dressrosa and Wano so unless they are adpated, idk if I see the point

[maiden saffron]

i dont think skypiea which adapts 67 chapters in 45 episodes is watchable personally

[ashen perch]

If I was getting into OP now, I'd be terrified of the length

most people are

[distant vine]

Many arcs are watchable but still rough

[hardy stratus]

and you would be terrified still cuz of how long the manga is

[vernal ravine]

most of the post time skip and probably Thriller Bark is too tbh

[ashen perch]

That makes it unwatchable

[graceful belfry]

Which is all the merit, imo. A better paced, more consistent take on early One Piece. One that sticks more faithfully to the source material

[hardy stratus]

People nowadays would find any long term story terrifying man

[distant vine]

I dont mind reccomending them a long show but it has to be a smooth experience

[sacred hollow]

I'm telling people to give it literally 4 episodes of the anime and if they don't like it bail

[hardy stratus]

OP would still be 500 length if they manage to complete it all

which would be still among the longest shows

[distant vine]

Thats fine

[maiden saffron]

a manga chapter takes 5 minutes to read if you read indepth, an episode takes 20 minutes to watch.

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt, I am excited to get into the Hajime No Ippo manga someday. I dont mind longer manga, anime though, just nah.

[distant vine]

Great even

[cunning narwhal]

nextflix has to be ragebaiting at this point, why are they batch releasing The One Piece??

[vernal ravine]

if i'm fully honest the only arc that i'd recommend to watch in the anime is egghead

[distant vine]

I dont really think thats so bad

[hardy stratus]

idk anecdotally, I haven't found people to have made that difference

[graceful belfry]

Ippo’s good

[hardy stratus]

in general

Ippo bad

just laying it out there

[graceful belfry]

Hey

[hardy stratus]

[distant vine]

Weekly anime's appeal to me is the constant hype cycle. I dont think this show needs that

[graceful belfry]

Don’t be like that

[remote maple]

i dont really care about batch or not i dont like watching weekly

[hardy stratus]

I dropped it 3 times Rei

I am just saying my opinion

[ashen perch]

I dont mind batch releases with One Piece, I think that'll be good infact

[graceful belfry]

[ashen perch]

manga's generally just easier to get into, I have heard it from many personally

[remote maple]

im the anime watcher that waits till it's done airing then binge it, it's a much better experience

[maiden saffron]

the actual issue is that most people arent willing to read manga at all

they want moving pictures

[hardy stratus]

yeah I think this is one where it's just people one generally talks to idk

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hardy stratus]

like in any medium

[maiden saffron]

its not a matter of not differentiating between manga or anime runtime

they just prefer the anime

[vernal ravine]

airing at the same time with the Toei anime could be bad so i think the batches decision its a good idea

[maiden saffron]

if you can read manga

it's gonna go by extremely fast

[hardy stratus]

people prefer trilogy instead of stories which are 5 book or longer
people want short couple of season anime instead of longer
people want couple of short length show instead of longer tv show

[maiden saffron]

even with a story as long as op, you can be done pretty fast

[remote maple]

people just prefer watching

[hardy stratus]

so terrible future we are heading into

😔

[cunning narwhal]

actually now that i think about it, yeah up until a certain point there wont really be a need for those weekly discussions we were robbed of with the live action since everyone already knows about the early arcs and its a 1-1 adaptation

[prisma yacht]

Poop

[remote maple]

a remake would make op a lot more accsssible

[graceful belfry]

Dropping 300 minutes all at once is already better treatment than they’ve given my beloved, so, it seems they’re at least taking the best approach to the batches

[ashen perch]

The options for the majority are ''watch 1200 episodes'' or ''just dont'' and people usually would choose to not watch it at all

[remote maple]

or you have to watch one pace

[hardy stratus]

people need to get back to embracing longer shows

[remote maple]

which isnt perfect

[maiden saffron]

how about no

[ashen perch]

theres longer

and theres One Piece

[remote maple]

then watch the remake

[maiden saffron]

no one should be watching one pace anyway

[ashen perch]

I mean this is still going to be as long as like 500 episodes when its all said and done tbh

[hardy stratus]

there's plenty of shit longer than OP manga

[maiden saffron]

the remake will be good in this regard

[hardy stratus]

but all in all, my point is I don't see the value until they really go into dressrosa

okay scrape it

until EL even

[ashen perch]

I think the manga ends past 1500 so even with the 3 chapters pace, youre ending up with a very very long series

[graceful belfry]

The concept of One Pace is fine in theory, but I just don’t appreciate desecrating other artists hard work. Cutting out repeating flashbacks is one thing, but that’s not all that they do

[maiden saffron]

yeah but that's based on the fact that you think arcs like skypiea have no issue in the op anime, which according to most people are extremely slow

[remote maple]

better than 1500 episodes

[maiden saffron]

imo by the time they even reach alabasta, it'd be a significant step up

and by skypiea, it'll be a night and day difference

[ashen perch]

East Blue is already going to be an improvement

[vernal ravine]

One Pace is good concept but some decisions like the 1015 episode it's just nonsense

[ashen perch]

Episode 1 adapting Chapter 1....

[vernal ravine]

is like not taking your time to think that artistic decisions can exist

[ashen perch]

[hardy stratus]

I appreciate vision of One Pace being most close to manga version being nice

[maiden saffron]

I dont think it is.

One Pace makes so many weird cuts that just ruin so many moments. Like Corazon's death, they also cut a bunch of beautiful cuts from 1015 and they do this all over the place.

One Pace doesn't understand that they're supposed to be different mediums

[remote maple]

i wasnt talking about one pace in this message

[ashen perch]

it will already clear Toei Piece the moment I finish episode 1 because its gonna start with Chapter 1

[remote maple]

it was reply to arsal

[maiden saffron]

they're too focused on making everything page by page to the manga

[hardy stratus]

i respect that

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, they’re cutting out the artists interpretation of the work that adds to the charm of the adaptation. Such as the Yamato scene where ASL and Roger’s talk with Oden and Whitebeard intersect

That’s one of my favorite scenes in the anime that’s not in the manga

[maiden saffron]

a few days ago you were talking about how adaptations that dont take creative liberties are boring

[hardy stratus]

yes

but I respect this as a fan endeavor

not an adaptation

I have already established that above

[ashen perch]

oh yeah that was my point, the original anime adaptation is only going to continue to get more inaccessible as it hits the 1500s and 1600s in terms of episode count. The remake will still be a very long series, just not ridiculously long.

[hardy stratus]

I like Toei's 1015 way more

it's probably my fav anime episode

[maiden saffron]

one pace deliberately strips away creative liberties, I can't respect that

[remote maple]

I mean how can they not

[hardy stratus]

but I respect fan work to try to make everything 1:1 to manga

[remote maple]

you have to cut stuff out either way

[ashen perch]

havent they been doing two versions of episodes lately lol

[prisma yacht]

One pace also had the cover stories animated

That's a big win

[ashen perch]

one including the anime ''canon'', one not. Its silly but I guess people wanted options

[remote maple]

oh boy two cakes

[ashen perch]

I am fundamentally just against One Pace though, just dont watch the show if you cant

[remote maple]

unfortunately my friends refuse to read

[past flax]

i havent even seen a place to get a ahold of one pace not that ive been looking lol

[maiden saffron]

I'm in the same boat, i dont think its a good experience for new comers

[graceful belfry]

LOL

[ashen perch]

Archer you fw the goggles?

[past flax]

why does this panel give me uncanny valley vibes

[ashen perch]

I love them, people haaaaaate them here smh

[remote maple]

they have a website pretty sure it's all there

[dense rapids]

Chapter 1155 animated next year will break the internet

[graceful belfry]

The goggles are cool

[prisma yacht]

Truee

[maiden saffron]

what is 1155 again

[hasty sable]

They remind me of Skypiea Zoro so I do fw the goggles

[prisma yacht]

But they also have plus points

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-4842569528383032865

[past flax]

why do peeps hate the googles

[hasty sable]

Elbaf outfits are pretty good

[ashen perch]

in comparison, the remake is going to be a much much better option than that so I am happy for them

[prisma yacht]

Nami is so cute in elbaf

[ashen perch]

true true

[past flax]

i saw people hating on them for whatever reason

said they hate how the shs all dress the same now

???

[ashen perch]

people are silly

[past flax]

i know theyve been matching but theres still individually to them at least to me

[hardy stratus]

true like arsal

[ashen perch]

I am pretty silly but in like a good way smh

[past flax]

like you for not liking the la

yeah

i havent forgotten

[vernal ravine]

removing that the 1:1 adaptation is unchangeable, honestly i don't have any complaint about the Elbaph adaptation

[past flax]

[hardy stratus]

LA is shit buddy

[prisma yacht]

La was amazing

[past flax]

go take a lap pal

[prisma yacht]

Fuck u

[vernal ravine]

if this is the path Wit has lot of work to do

[maiden saffron]

LA is fine

[hardy stratus]

LA is dogshit

[maiden saffron]

but if it doesnt siphon people into the manga

thats a bit sad

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-monkey-d-luffy-iñaki-godoy-one-piece-evil-smile-gif-4031872270372187423

[past flax]

LA is peak

[maiden saffron]

okay well its not peak either

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smile-gif-3740293814942823221

[past flax]

it could of been so much worse

[maiden saffron]

its fine

[cold steppe]

LA is great for a manga live action

[past flax]

it is for the standards of how anime live action adaptions go

[hasty sable]

Genuinely having so much fun with the LA and want 7-8 seasons

[cold steppe]

Compared to other TV shows that's another story 😭

[past flax]

do we need to be reminded of the netlfix death note

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-season-2-opla-one-piece-live-action-robin-gif-4679471356611550506

[hardy stratus]

other shitty adaptations doesn't make a shitty adaptation good

[ashen perch]

BB Luffy arguing about the pie but with 4 people

[past flax]

yeah im coming for you bucko

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-all-sunday-live-action-nico-robin-one-piece-lera-abova-gif-13289759685388260782

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/netflix-mihawk-gif-16017751859179581136

[prisma yacht]

3 of us are the bb's personalities vs goro luffy

[hardy stratus]

I will sail the seas alone if that's what it takes fr

[prisma yacht]

This is lore accurate

Lmao

[past flax]

oh wrong post

gdi

[hasty sable]

Don Krieg only being in the show for Mihawk to aurafarm

[vernal ravine]

if you see the LA as another series and not a literal adaptation of a manga it's actually very enjoyable, i say that cause i know most of the issues are about that

[maiden saffron]

LA is clearly an incomplete adaptation though

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/EMUNOPLA/status/2051700558445039666?s=20 @ashen perch do we believe this guy?

EMUNOPLA (@EMUNOPLA)

👀🚨From Internal sources:

🟠Wit Studio never intended to remake the entirety of One Piece. The project’s scope has reportedly always been limited rather than a full-series reboot.

🟠Sources indicate that the remake is primarily focused on revisiting the early era of the

X · May 5, 2026, 4:28 PM

[ashen perch]

well it was 4 people this time smh

[maiden saffron]

and its got weird acting sometimes, especially from Luffy

[hardy stratus]

I can see that yea

[ashen perch]

no.

[hardy stratus]

it's a 7/10 show but a 2/10 adaptation for me angelOTY

[past flax]

this

[ashen perch]

I havent still seen Season 2 but I know Lera Abova is da GOAT

[maiden saffron]

and finally, i dont like how on the nose it is when it name drops and shows some stuff

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-la-mr-8-mister-8-igaram-igarappoi-gif-13465804602989117394

[hardy stratus]

problem is, most anime LA adaptations don't end up being a decent shows either

[maiden saffron]

like putting a loki and nika statue on Dorry's camp

why tf would Dorry have a loki statue there

[prisma yacht]

7/10 show is an amazing show

[maiden saffron]

just a weird dogbone for no reason

[ashen perch]

I have seen the Robin introduction scene, and nothing else and that was enough

[brittle basin]

LA One Piece is great. This incessant need to compare it to the manga in every nitpicky way is missing the forest for the trees.

[rustic coral]

I call bs, who tf adapts OP thinking it wont be long term

[hardy stratus]

idk buffy I am watching it for OP being adapted

[ashen perch]

they have said otherwise already too lol

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/something-sweet-for-someone-sweet-sanji-one-piece-i'll-give-you-something-sweet-take-something-sweet-gif-7593966619385017906

[hardy stratus]

It doesn't feel like I am watching OP

[brittle basin]

You MUST accept it is a different medium and has to take a different course.

[hot cairn]

nice

[past flax]

what we watching then

[brittle basin]

it just cannot be 1:1 to your precious manga

[hardy stratus]

I never wanted 1:1

[hasty sable]

Twenty seasons of Wit Piece

[hot cairn]

yeah it's kinda stupid if they're not thinking long term

[rustic coral]

Should just watch S2, S1 is mid

[hardy stratus]

it just doesn't feel like OP that's all

if i take it as its own thing

[brittle basin]

it never WILL

[hardy stratus]

then sure it's enjoyable

[hot cairn]

true

[brittle basin]

it can't by definition

[ashen perch]

once I get the chance I will smh

[hardy stratus]

idk plenty of Live action have felt like it

[hasty sable]

Idk if WIT wants to spend more than a decade doing OP as their flagship project though

[rustic coral]

Bro stop running the CIA

[maiden saffron]

why not

[brittle basin]

manga is just such a completely different medium, LA cannot fully capture the og one piece energy. but it can make a damn good effort, and it did.

[maiden saffron]

feels like something a studio might wanna do

[hardy stratus]

AiB is pretty different than the manga, but it still just feels like AIB

[maiden saffron]

lol

[hardy stratus]

in the sense the OPLA doesn't

[past flax]

( also i hope you know im just goofing with you goro and i respect your opinion even if its wrong <3)

[prisma yacht]

What is bro not feeling

[rustic coral]

Probably not but they can pass it off to another studio

[rustic coral]

What if i dont respect it

[hardy stratus]

dw luci we have known each other for years even tho you only come around for a month and bail

[brittle basin]

the fact it's a different medium will mean they don't feel the same. you could do bebop 1:1 to the anime and it would not feel the same

[past flax]

what if i told you to sit down

[past flax]

damn...

call me out for having a life

[pulsar path]

Is this true lmao

[maiden saffron]

no matter what my personal opinion about the LA might be

[rustic coral]

Some of the changes in OPLA in S2 were goated

[hardy stratus]

no

[maiden saffron]

its cool that people who i know for certain would never watch or read OP

are talking one piece to me

irl

[past flax]

yeah i feel that way too

[dapper tree]

Yes

[maiden saffron]

and they all seem to really like it

[brittle basin]

OPLA was doomed to failure above all others, and yet it somehow did the impossible. that alone is commendable

[dapper tree]

[hardy stratus]

idk if someone asks me if I have watched OP and then show they mention OPLA

I say I haven't watched/read OP

[brittle basin]

LA season 2 is just so fun

[past flax]

you...

[pulsar path]

One person says yes one person says no

[past flax]

[prisma yacht]

Poop

[hardy stratus]

Illmatic it's 3.5 chapter per 20 min ep

[ashen perch]

LMAO

[prisma yacht]

S2 was amazing

[hardy stratus]

but 7 chapters per 40 min ep

[rustic coral]

Goro not liking Luffy singing Binks' sake to Laboon...

[prisma yacht]

I haven't watched s1

[rustic coral]

Major cap

[past flax]

pasta get yo ass back here

[brittle basin]

it's not perfect mind you, but it still manages to be both OP and its own separate thing

[hardy stratus]

it only is its separate thing for me

I gave it multiple chance and even started s2

😔

[brittle basin]

And we don't get a piss poor villain design like Arlong again

god, arlong was awful in season 1

[ashen perch]

He's not ready for Oda to add it in Wit Piece...

[brittle basin]

even not compared to the manga, he looked bad

[past flax]

i just wanna see cursed Moria LA even if they dont adapt thriller bark so i can spam it in here forever

[brittle basin]

But Wapol is literally a 11/10 adaptation

[warm sierra]

There is this song that Uta taught me!

[pulsar path]

It is true tho

That's what there doing

[past flax]

wapol was fucking terrfiying LA wise im ngl

[rustic coral]

Zoro vs 100 BQ agents, Sanji, Barto, Mr 3, Usopp in Little Garden, Chopper FB being a 10/10 adaptation

Lots of good stuff

[brittle basin]

Dorry and Brogy were great

i can't beleive they got them right

that should've failed

[ashen perch]

did they actually do this

thats incredible

[rustic coral]

No

[ashen perch]

maybe OPLA actually is good

no?

[brittle basin]

it is

[rustic coral]

No?

[brittle basin]

just don't expect 1:1 or perfection

[pulsar path]

Live piece is better than og

[ashen perch]

okay then its still bad im afraid

[pulsar path]

It's replacing the manga

[rustic coral]

It was Shanks that was mentioned

[warm sierra]

Im saying for WIT Piece

[rustic coral]

Im pretty sure

[ashen perch]

oh gotcha

[brittle basin]

Shanks does still look like discount Ryan Gosling

[pulsar path]

Oda will draw onepeice characters like the live action from here on oht

[ashen perch]

they should've sneaked in an Uta reference smh

[brittle basin]

one issue is the LA still can't get wigs right. I love Viv's hair though

[past flax]

alright settle down now

[brittle basin]

Croc's wig was not great

[hardy stratus]

blocked

[pulsar path]

Yeah I hate wigs

[past flax]

yeahhhhh it was not it

[pulsar path]

I would rather they be inaccurate than use wigs

[rustic coral]

Now that she is number 9 for SOME REASON Oda is probably shoehorning her somewhere

[brittle basin]

LA Piece will kill off Uta thankfully

[past flax]

Uta slander?

yall hate uta now?

[brittle basin]

Puta? Yeah.

[dapper tree]

Me......

I be at work

[ashen perch]

Oda doesnt care about that smh, she was always canon and always appearing in the manga again.

[brittle basin]

I don't hate her, I just don't care enough about her to spare a passing thought.

[rustic coral]

I will slander Uta

[past flax]

same nerd yet here i am

[rustic coral]

Jk I like Uta

[pulsar path]

Punching pasta right?

[rustic coral]

But Shiki is more important than Uta for the manga

[past flax]

how you feel about her being high in the polls

[pulsar path]

Bots

[brittle basin]

Feels forced.

[maiden saffron]

had this discussion the other day

[hardy stratus]

good shot

[maiden saffron]

anyway

[brittle basin]

Uta is not written well enough to belong that high up

[hardy stratus]

if only the show was good fr

[maiden saffron]

its fine, and enjoyable to watch

my only concern with the live action long term is that they might get too carried away

with calls to future events

[rustic coral]

What was the conclusion

[maiden saffron]

and easter eggs etc

like imagine they straight up namedrop joyboy and davy jones next season

that'll proper piss me off

Lmfao

[brittle basin]

i'm very happy for the easter eggs, becaues the LA ain't making it that far anyways

[hardy stratus]

if it was even enjoyable as an adaptation, i wouldn't be complaining man
I am happy for yall

[rustic coral]

Realistically Oda would write it like that nowadays

[hardy stratus]

meh

hence Oda shouldn't get to touch his works after its finished

[maiden saffron]

it is pretty enjoyable, even if im not huge on it

youre alone on this

[hardy stratus]

nah I have found enough people who agree with me

[maiden saffron]

i think oda is deliberately letting them add easter eggs like this

[brittle basin]

If Oda wrote OP right now from the beginning, I would hope he would have more Nika foreshadowing while keeping it somewhat subtle.

[ashen perch]

I mean Davy gets namedropped after Skypiea so...

[maiden saffron]

cause theyre not reaching joyboy

[past flax]

theres gonna be ton of easter eggs cause theres no way they are doing every arc

[maiden saffron]

or fishman island

[rustic coral]

I hope they reach Dressrosa

[brittle basin]

Dorry and Brogy talking about the Sun God Nika in the LA was perfect

[past flax]

you know theres no damn way

[maiden saffron]

Skypiea is unbelievably early by any standard for this stuff

so im honestly quite happy with it

[hardy stratus]

OP LA wasn't subtle tho

[maiden saffron]

i think oda already had the idea since atleast skypiea

[hardy stratus]

with sun god nika and etc

[maiden saffron]

but maybe not the nika name and everything surrounding him

that we know now

but the idea was always there

[brittle basin]

If you had never read OP, you wouldn't know. It would just be a one off reference.

But it would be good in hindsight after the G5 reveal

[past flax]

if we get live action dressrosa thatll be 10 years from now

[pulsar path]

They will skip a lot trust

[brittle basin]

you ain't even gonna see MF

[hardy stratus]

idk man...

[cold steppe]

They'll probably condense stuff

[past flax]

3 seasons of thriller bark

[pulsar path]

Like thriller bark will not be a whole season

No lol 🤣

[past flax]

[hardy stratus]

it should be

realistically

but it won't

cuz OPLA sucks

🏃‍♂️

[cold steppe]

Like the water 7 scene from season 1

[brittle basin]

you must look at this from the perspective of someone who has never experienced OP before. we are the hardcore fans, our opinions borderline don't matter 'cause we're so anal about everything. we do not represent the average reader.

[rustic coral]

Disagree

[ashen perch]

from what I know, the OPLA lays it on too thick with this stuff

Oda's very careful with his hints and foreshadowing

[maiden saffron]

yeah its not subtle thats my only issue

[hardy stratus]

nah it's back to again the fundamental philosophy of authors losing control of their work after they have written it so it would be a circular discussion where we won't go anywhere

[brittle basin]

We need a server bet. I have a feeling we don't go further than Thriller or Enies at best.

[maiden saffron]

like you have dorry and brogy talking about the sun god nika

and everything

[ashen perch]

OPLA beats you up with hammers with its references

and its super silly

[maiden saffron]

in an extremely open fashion

[ashen perch]

yeah thats just bad

[brittle basin]

yeah that's true too

[cold steppe]

Well it makes more sense if they do early reveals

[maiden saffron]

which causes a lot of intrigue even in new readers

"like who is this sun god nika"

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EacIbqGnxd8
one more who realizes

[maiden saffron]

"i wonder if hes important or relevant"

[pulsar path]

Yeah opla truthfully is a big commercial

[brittle basin]

Me. I am.

[maiden saffron]

Oda doesnt do foreshadowing or easter eggs in that regard

[brittle basin]

The real beauty of it, is it may not get mentiond again for a long time, and people can forget, which is kind of a good thing for surprises.

[ashen perch]

Oda likes to be very careful with not telling too much, he's very very careful about it

[pulsar path]

Yeah but only so he doesn't back himself into a writing corner

[maiden saffron]

oda is not only careful with stuff, he holds back information as long as possible to give himself more freedom later on

which is also why this story feels so rewarding to read

[ashen perch]

often times, youre not even gonna notice it until later on

[rustic coral]

I think they want to go all in adapting Oda's world and for rewatches, its a deliberate different take on it. In that way, the liveaction is structured less in sagas, which i think is cool

[ashen perch]

much of the foreshadowings and setup only become clearer with hindsight, and thats brilliant

[maiden saffron]

i'd just appreciate if the live action kept unknown things unknown for longer

[hardy stratus]

I also just like my foreshadowings be through imagery and stuff than actual dialogue bit

like despite how much I am anal with goroawase

when talking like NeronaNami

if such theory come to fruition, I would love the foreshadowings be those stuff

[maiden saffron]

i dont think it matters if its imagery or dialogue, i just want it to be extremely subtle, stuff you may not even think of at all

[brittle basin]

The LA is definitely gonna feel less like sagas. I think a perfect example of this is the connection created between Alabasta and Drum, Vivi meeting and getting slapped by Wapol, etc. Feels more interconnected. Unless this was in the manga and I'm forgetting?

[ashen perch]

yeah I get that

[rustic coral]

It wasnt

[maiden saffron]

this is oda at his best

[brittle basin]

Goda

[ashen perch]

its often the case really, you wouldnt even think twice about some things

until it happens

[rustic coral]

Okay.

[hazy turret]

Can’t even be nice to people in 2026…because of woke…

[brittle basin]

True. Side Note: Fuck you.

[rustic coral]

No politick here, rok

[ashen perch]

we werent even thinking much about the CD's obsession with the Celestial Dragons yea, and I didnt even remember that panel where they talked about a specific name they gave to VP's dragon

[muted hedge]

have y'all talked enough about Loki's ost btw?

[hardy stratus]

is the track out?

[muted hedge]

makes me soooo excited for the future ost's for Imu

[ashen perch]

again, Oda shines with his subtletly

[brittle basin]

FYI best OP song is from the LA season 2

[rustic coral]

In the episode yea

[maiden saffron]

One Piece is extremely rewarding on second reads already

[hazy turret]

Sorry do I know you?

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqVO2p_zXQ&list=RDVWqVO2p_zXQ&start_radio=1

[maiden saffron]

its not a matter of them making "better foreshadowing" in the live action

or potentially in wit piece

[hazy turret]

❤️

[hardy stratus]

thanks ukabas

[maiden saffron]

the current anime, and the manga

[hardy stratus]

fuck you rokaya

[maiden saffron]

are already insanely good in this regard

[muted hedge]

sounds so proper viking like

[hardy stratus]

[hazy turret]

Die

[brittle basin]

I got a heart emoji and Goro got a "Die."
We are not the same.

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLVwr1g9ngY&pp=ygUSTG9raSBvbmUgcGllY2Ugb3N0

[rustic coral]

Arsal we both know its subtle when Oda has no idea where its going

[muted hedge]

the simps are already coming

[past flax]

cancelled yet again

[ashen perch]

I disagree

[hardy stratus]

cuz rokaya hates me

[brittle basin]

I love you, it's OK.

[past flax]

damn what rokaya do to you

[brittle basin]

My love outweighs her hate

[ashen perch]

Oda has worked his way backwards from the Final Saga, thats been clear in his mind from the beginning

[muted hedge]

fuck you is a crazy insult if you think about what it really means

[ashen perch]

He knows where he's going, he doesnt know how long its gonna take to get there

[brittle basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nap2fVKjlpI&list=RDNap2fVKjlpI&start_radio=1 best song btw

[ashen perch]

thats something he has talked about MANY times

[muted hedge]

this one and the Whisky Peak one

[brittle basin]

oh hell yeah you mean the sax?

[muted hedge]

yup

[maiden saffron]

I feel like a lot of this discourse comes from people thinking "there's no way he's actually worked out endgame stuff so early on"

And yeah, he probably hasnt ironed out everything event by event, but he clearly has always had an idea of how the story was gonna end.

[ashen perch]

he does have an idea of where he needs to be in the final saga, where he struggles is the inbetween lol

[brittle basin]

fuck yeah, Mr 8 was JAMMING on that thing

[ashen perch]

its actually the most believable thing in fact

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCW8h7m_KU&list=RDXbCW8h7m_KU&start_radio=1
such a fucking VIBE

[hardy stratus]

I think the main bullet points are already laid down

[brittle basin]

dude i need to buy this OST, it's so fucking good

[muted hedge]

same

[maiden saffron]

The subtlety not only adds a lot of merit to him as a writer, cause subtle foreshadowing feels the most satisfying to capture on a 2nd read, but him withholding more information directly also gives him freedom

[ashen perch]

its more believable that Oda really did work out the endgame stuff like he said he has, rather than anything in between lol

[maiden saffron]

to do a lot of stuff later on

its both foreshadowing future events and giving himself room

[brittle basin]

Whiskey Peak gave us that incredible song and a Kill Bill level Zoro fight. Just insane.

[rustic coral]

I dont think he doesnt know the final saga, but you'd have to be delusional to think Who's Who was planned before Wano lol

[ashen perch]

I cant believe people have a easier time believing that WCI was planned than the final saga for example

its silly

[muted hedge]

thoughts on the Chopper song?

[brittle basin]

i need to hear it again

[rustic coral]

I dont think that

[muted hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95gjydwPts&list=RDa95gjydwPts&start_radio=1

[rustic coral]

But do you not think Nika would be mentioned a lot more if Oda thought of it?

[ashen perch]

I think the Sun God mentions in Skypiea and WCI were enough really

[cold steppe]

Obviously not everything is planned. Just the bigger story, which was basically a side thing up until wano act 2

[brittle basin]

oh god yes that's good

[ashen perch]

he doesnt need to mention their names, he still hasnt mentioned the names of any of the other gods

[muted hedge]

i also loved the one for Nami in season 1

[brittle basin]

man chopper's flashback was perfect almost

[maiden saffron]

yeah, sure, I dont think he planned whos who specifically. He likely evolved the idea of whos who from bullet points he had previously.

[muted hedge]

i still have it in my playlist, lol

[muted hedge]

Hiriluks actor fucking nailed it

[maiden saffron]

Its similar with NIka, sure he might not have the name and EVERYTHING pre-planned

but he's clearly had the idea of the sun god since atleast skypiea

[ashen perch]

also yea I doubt WW was planned but I am sure Oda did have an idea of there being a character from whom Shanks stole the DF

[rustic coral]

Do you not think that, had he thought of WW before, he would have built it up a lot more?

[ashen perch]

its a common thing in all his Romance Dawn versions, a mention of a mysterious enemy ship that had the Gomu Gomu no Mi

[digital spear]

Au/Ra

[ashen perch]

with 0 elaboration on it

[gritty vigil]

Wdym? Like oda planned final saga before wci

[rustic coral]

I dont disagree that he plans stuff arsal

[ashen perch]

yes

[gritty vigil]

I agree with that

[brittle basin]

perfect casting to the point the actual actor's last name is close to Hiriluk

[gritty vigil]

This is why one piece has so many foreshadowing

[cold steppe]

Well if anything is planned the final saga should be on top of the list 😭

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/ONE_PIECE_TC/status/2051625457188020264
hate this game, but sick cinematic

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[rustic coral]

I'm just saying he keeps stuff vague so he can later flesh it out in the story according to what the plot needs, but its not bc he limits himself to being subtle

[gritty vigil]

No why

[muted hedge]

yeah it's fucking insane lol

[maiden saffron]

I think the way it was done was okay and I don't feel that it needed to be significantly better.

Whos who is the enemy shanks stole the df from, and then he was imprisoned by the WG due to it. He later became a pirate and holds a grudge for it.

I've already mentioned that he withholds information specifically so he has more freedom later on

but that doesn't mean he also doesn't plan stuff in advance

he clearly has most of the final saga already locked down

[gritty vigil]

I have faith in oda that ending won't be rushed or mid...he's really good at planning

I'm just scared about what one piece would be

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/misomackerel01/status/2051538240491131055/photo/1
damn, sick art

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X · May 5, 2026, 5:43 AM

[maiden saffron]

stuff like the void century as atleast as old as water 7, poneglyphs as old as alabasta, voice of all things as old as sabaody

etc

[ashen perch]

I think subtlety is a big part of it, he doesnt want the reader to think twice about these things when he namedrops them but they are still specific enough that you can tell that there was an idea at play here already

[rustic coral]

Im not saying he did it wrong, I'm saying he wouldnt write stuff so subtly before in hindsight when he fleshes it out

[maiden saffron]

i disagree

i think he's subtle even when he has something fully planned out

like mantra in skypiea

[muted hedge]

oh damn WIT comes in february?

[maiden saffron]

or smiles in sabaody

[gritty vigil]

Shanks used haki in first chapter

Idk if it's confirmed or not

[maiden saffron]

or when kinemon gets angry at a dragon in punk hazard

[prisma yacht]

He actually smirked at that fish

[hardy stratus]

it's retroactively made to be CoC

I think

[ashen perch]

Its not like the subtlety is an assumption, even his editor once said that Oda's extremely careful about it and there's much foreshadowing that the fans have not even ''recovered'' due to that.

Oda himself said that he had to very subtle about what he was showing in Oden's flashback, because a slight misstep can mean everything

[maiden saffron]

Oda has never done "in your face" foreshadowing

[prisma yacht]

And the fih ran away

[gritty vigil]

yonko for a reason

[hardy stratus]

yeah

especially in age of internet

[gritty vigil]

Can scare fishes

[hardy stratus]

and collaborative theorizing

[ashen perch]

yupp

[maiden saffron]

so you either believe:

He doesnt do that because he never plans anything in advance.
Or, he just does subtle foreshadowing even if he plans stuff in advance but also because it gives him more freedom later on.

Plus I believe its a better reading experience

[rustic coral]

Like, Worst Gen/Supernova were definitely an idea he had since the Log Pose explanation, but he made the characters in Sabaody (we know that), then after they were introduced they were a huge part of the worldbuilding (for the good of the story imo, btw)

[muted hedge]

if Shanks was going to conquerors haki that sea beast now adays, it would implode

[hardy stratus]

Yeah I think those are like third in the hierarchy of important story elements

I think he has first and second in the hierarchy figured out

[ashen perch]

yea^^

[gritty vigil]

Toei spamming flash effects and the annoying sound

[maiden saffron]

He just built the story backwards from the end

he's famously talked about how he knows exactly what the final chapter is gonna look like

[ashen perch]

The hierarchy of importance defines how its planned, the final saga stands at the very tippy top there

[maiden saffron]

he just adds a LOT of stuff in between

and yeah, not all of it is pre-planned, that'd be unreasonable to think

[gritty vigil]

Ace being rogers son for example

[rustic coral]

But do you disagree with this reading

[hardy stratus]

I feel like ther'es a top of the hierarchy where it's unchanged

[maiden saffron]

he evolves most ideas from things that are pre-planned

[prisma yacht]

Fih

[ashen perch]

anything that comes before it is loosely written, its where he has quietly dropped hints and setup that final saga to come eventually

[hardy stratus]

and second in the hierarchy that's changed slightly according to requirements

and then third forward he's coming up with as he writes and then planning them as well

then minor arc details

then chapter to chapter wise stuff

which seems pretty normal for me

[ashen perch]

Even with the supernova, its pretty evident that he immediately starts thinking of how he's going to incorporate them into the wider story soon after they show up. He doesnt wing it, with even them.

[maiden saffron]

Also i've mentioned this so many times before but it literally does not matter if he pre-plans something in advance. That's a 4th wall break you don't need to worry about as a reader.

What matters is how the story is from chapter 1 to the final chapter. Not much else.

[hardy stratus]

yea

[maiden saffron]

at best stuff like this is just trivia

[formal wagon]

um

lilith is reviving saturn

[maiden saffron]

ah why she do that

[hardy stratus]

another of my fav story is where the author just winged it from start to end and it's goated

[ashen perch]

yeah ultimately it doesnt matter, but I think it is important to establish it nevertheless especially for theorizing sake

[hardy stratus]

so who cares if shit's planned or foreshadowed or not

[maiden saffron]

another thing with OP specifically is that it's so long that a bunch of things that are pre-planned and things that were added later

[ashen perch]

It matters to me because people are extremely likely to dismiss theories based on their assumptions about when and when not would Oda have thought of something lol

[maiden saffron]

eventually merge into something new

[hardy stratus]

idk man people would dismiss stuff even author mentioned explicitly being planned if it doesn't agree with their canon

as a Naruto fan I have had to deal with one certain instance of it

a lot

[ashen perch]

thats true yeah

but youre less likely to deal with it in this fanbase atleast, but thats been changing for some reason

that Kinemon panel did permanent damage smh

[maiden saffron]

which one

[ashen perch]

a lot of the times, its fine to think that Oda HAD thought of all that

the ''Oda who had never thought of that'' meme demon

[rustic coral]

Sure, but he tries to fit them in as much as he can where it makes sense, but the point Im trying to make is that the liveaction fitting stuff in like bounty posters, references to future plotpoints, is basically what Oda does all the time when he fleshes out an idea, and if he doesn't do that he just keeps it quiet until it can be fleshed out.

[maiden saffron]

just a matter of the story being so much longer than a lot of new fans are used to

[rustic coral]

This was what the whole argument was about, i wasnt trying to call oda lazy or smth lol

[maiden saffron]

it feels unfathomable that an author would plan that far ahead

but i feel like oda actually does

[muted hedge]

whenever someone dismisses One Piece because it's long, i just say you're loss pal

[rustic coral]

He does plan ahead but leaves room for the plot to breathe, basically

[hardy stratus]

it's not even that long

it's just what 130 hours of reading

[brittle basin]

One Piece isn't long. It's extremely long, so I don't blame people who are overwhelmed by that.

[maiden saffron]

yeah thats what think too, but you believe his subtlety is a byproduct of him giving himself more freedom later on

[hardy stratus]

VNs usually are 3x its length

[maiden saffron]

I think he's subtle even when he knows EXACTLY whats gonna happen soon

[hardy stratus]

Stormlight was like 2x length of OP btw

[maiden saffron]

its just the style he writes in

[hardy stratus]

and it's just halfway through

[ashen perch]

I know what you mean Fed, I just disagree that its in Oda's style to lay it on so thick on the fans. He wouldnt have the giants going on all about Nika or showing Loki statues in Little Garden or having Sanji get into his backstory in Drum Island or things of that nature.

[brittle basin]

That is also a long series and I don't blame people for being overwhelmed by it.

[maiden saffron]

i honestly cannot think of many instances where oda straight up foreshadows something in a direct manner

[rustic coral]

So like, Oda mentioning Loki in WCI kinda makes no sense now, but it doesnt matter cuz he kept it vague enough to not have to stick to anything concrete about Loki

[digital spear]

Until when

[brittle basin]

Stormlight is a LOT to take in.

[ashen perch]

the OPLA is taking liberties and thats fine, I dont like it though

[hardy stratus]

until current

counting the audiobook lengths

it comes not completely as 2x but atleast 1.6-1.7

[digital spear]

I mean, until when was One Piece longer

It sounded like One Piece overtook it

[muted hedge]

i think one piece will reach at least 1400

[ashen perch]

you can see it in the arc to arc details too

[hardy stratus]

45+48+55+57+64

hours*

which is 269

so yeah double the length lmao

[digital spear]

damn 12 days

[ashen perch]

we do all remember the almost ridiculous level of subtlety that existed with Kurozumi Tama lol

or Hitetsu = Sukiyaki

I mean thats just on a very very small scale

[rustic coral]

Was that subtle

[ashen perch]

and where its very easy to believe that he had it all planned

[hardy stratus]

fair

[ashen perch]

EXTREMELY subtle fed

[rustic coral]

I feel like everyone knew

[hardy stratus]

I just mean people say like OP is the longest series ever when it's like

[ashen perch]

only after the theory was made

[hardy stratus]

average length in epic fantasy

[digital spear]

nah it felt like a niche theory

[ashen perch]

it spread from here

but nobody had any clue about it until then

[rustic coral]

I feel like everyone knew when i came in the fandom

Bc in the flashback he just disappeared

[ashen perch]

it took someone noticing it to become unnoticeable

it was the same with Kanjuro too

[rustic coral]

But wano had a lot of subtle stuff for sure

[ashen perch]

nobody thought he was the traitor until one guy came up with some pretty unnoticeable proof about him

[rustic coral]

Either way Oda reads theories so

[hardy stratus]

he would probably just put extra red herrings

and not outright change details

based on theories

[muted hedge]

crazy that some people in this community are saying that Whitebeard, Kaido and Roger are "weak" now lol

[brittle basin]

I think this is the kind of thing you say when you're a hardcore OP fan on a OP dedicated Discord server where you discuss the intricacies of the series in a way that would turn average fans off. I imagine taking an average person who might like anime and showing them the entire physical manga series and just say "read this." They're not just gonna say "yeah sure buddy, no problem." Their natural instinct will be hesitation - it's overwhelming.

[hardy stratus]

probably

[muted hedge]

went from being the highest of the high to fodder in some people's messed up eyes

[ashen perch]

Theres another funny one from Wano actually, its just a clever reference but when Luffy arrives in Wano, the first thing that happens to him is that he gets bitten by a CRAB

Crab = Kani, which is an anagram for Nika

[muted hedge]

i swear powerscalers are dumb as shit

[brittle basin]

I think it's healthy for fans like us to separate our deep love for the series so we can see it from another's viewpoint.

[hardy stratus]

I have gotten like 4 irl friends into OP in college in last 4 years

and no one had any trouble with the length

they weren't big manga fans either

[brittle basin]

I've gotten no one into OP except one person

[rustic coral]

I dont think thats how japanese works Arsal

[muted hedge]

i've met 2 who read it in real life

and that was recently

[ashen perch]

it actually does fed

[brittle basin]

I also make little effort to get people into OP.

[hardy stratus]

probably like 90% of my class watches OP

[ashen perch]

this was pointed out by a japanese fan lol

I didnt make that up

[muted hedge]

i would hate someone if they were pestering me with reading something lol

like one of my friends want me to read romance

[brittle basin]

Most of my irl friends are casual manga/anime fans. And to be fair I'm also casual when you compare me to a normal anime fan.

[hardy stratus]

fair

[hardy stratus]

I have an easy way

Get them to a movie showing which becomes one of the best movies they have ever watched (Dune Part 2)

[brittle basin]

you should read romance bruh

[hardy stratus]

then they trust you completely with your recs

[leaden rivet]

Loki unfortunately slams

[hardy stratus]

[maiden saffron]

It is insanely long by serialization time and total content there is

[rustic coral]

Dont worry arsal, i dont think you are the only one who sees stuff that isnt there ❤️

[brittle basin]

why the hell are you skipping part 1?!

[muted hedge]

lmfao, i fell asleep during Dune 1 true story

[hardy stratus]

no I got them to watch part 1 too

[ashen perch]

the anagram works in japanese too dude

[maiden saffron]

nearly 30 years is pretty crazy

[ashen perch]

smh

[maiden saffron]

for any story

[muted hedge]

i'm not much a movie guy

[formal wagon]

part skipping is good

[maiden saffron]

dont think thats the average at all

[hardy stratus]

just with "Trust me bro part 2 is gonna be lit"

and it was lit

[formal wagon]

you dont need the context of the prior story thats stupid

[hardy stratus]

In terms of series of this genre

[muted hedge]

i mean i do some, though i don't know if they count

[hardy stratus]

as in epic fantasy demon

which is what I view OP as

[muted hedge]

i read troy not long ago

[brittle basin]

i like movies, but nothing like what harsh likes. bro has consumed all of cinema

[muted hedge]

that's romance

[hardy stratus]

not a battle shounen

[hardy stratus]

dude has 8000+ movies on letterboxd

I have barely

300

[rustic coral]

But it uses Kanji 😭 you dont do anagrams out of individual letters in the hiragana soelling or whatever

[brittle basin]

OP is absolutely epic fantasy.

[ashen perch]

but the point I was making Fed, is that this is the level of subtletly we're dealing on a very small scale. The readers have a easier time believing it because it all happens within like the same 5 years and not 20-25

[hardy stratus]

ye

[formal wagon]

true consumer

[hardy stratus]

so I like compare it with other epic fantasy

[brittle basin]

how the fuck......

[hardy stratus]

and not random shit

so like

we have ASOIAF, stormlight, wheel of time, Malazan

all of which are long af

[ashen perch]

but personally, I dont care about the time, the believability is the same regardless for me

[hardy stratus]

way longer than OP lmao

[brittle basin]

there's no way there's 8000 movies out there I would like

I'm too picky

[runic dock]

Your pfp is unhinged

[hardy stratus]

woah when did fleeb become admin

[brittle basin]

[hardy stratus]

oh wait I remember congratulating him even nvm

what's with my shitty memory nowadays

[runic dock]

All the weed

[prisma yacht]

the true evil

[hardy stratus]

I have been weed free for 6+ years dude

[brittle basin]

Mail posted that theory as a joke, but it would be kind of insane if that happened.

[formal wagon]

thanks, this month im doing 25 craaazzy wacky theories to fill out a second ognib board. This is day 5 and the fith theory. the other theories have been Shamrock is Mosa, JInbei has a secret devil fruit, and magnolia was turned into griffon

[rustic coral]

In East Blue and at least pre-Jaya it wasnt really epic fantasy tho

[ashen perch]

Nika isnt written in Kanji, purely katakana

ニカ (Nika) is exactly the Japanese word for crab, which is kani (カニ), spelled backwards.

[runic dock]

Congrats tbh

[hardy stratus]

it absolutely was?

[formal wagon]

wait fuck thats only 4

did i lose a theory

[hardy stratus]

what part of huge af sea monsters

[maiden saffron]

i dont think people only care about word count though, One Piece is definitely exceptionally long when it comes to its serialization time. There's people alive who were 10 when OP first started and are now in their 40s.

Like compared to this stormlight is what? 15 years? That's almost half of OP's serialization time. And one piece has been serialized almost every week for that timespan, whereas a lot of books and novels have large gaps between releases.

[hardy stratus]

doesn't scream epic fantasy to you fed

[runic dock]

💀

Should’ve seen me when I made the homie wheel jinbei theory at the end of WCI

[formal wagon]

OH the last theory is Nerona Paulie

[rustic coral]

Fair

[brittle basin]

Theory: One of your previous theories grew legs and ran away.

[formal wagon]

genuinely an inspiration for the idea

[hardy stratus]

Stormlight is 15 years now and would only complete in like 2045 ish

[opal gull]

[hardy stratus]

so yeah it's OP length in serialization time too

well will be

[formal wagon]

good theory

[runic dock]

[prisma yacht]

nerona paulie sounds so fire

[brittle basin]

It's only been a year since I caught up and I am SICK of waiting. Hurry up Brandon, I need to give you MONEY.

[hardy stratus]

wheel of time was also 25-ish years

[rustic coral]

Epic fantasy is usually about the cast tho? OP's world was very small back then to classify as epic fantasy

[brittle basin]

Yo, how do you feel about my Ulti and Page One are sleeping together theory?

[maiden saffron]

op grew into an epic fantasy then

[runic dock]

Nerona Paulie is too good for Oda to make real

[maiden saffron]

cause yeah, even for me it feels wrong to call it a battle manga now

[rustic coral]

Yea

[maiden saffron]

Lmfao

[formal wagon]

i chose paulie because it rhymes with nami, which is a real theory thats actually happening

[hardy stratus]

well no epic fantasy starts with the scale being completely epic

😭

except Malazan I suppose

[rustic coral]

And stormlight

[brittle basin]

Turns on LOTR

[runic dock]

It still has things it’s required to do by way of being a battle manga tho

Like fights WILL happen with a power system

[rustic coral]

And LOTR

[hardy stratus]

it's similar to OP tho

[brittle basin]

the intro sure aint lol

[formal wagon]

makes me want to barf and very sad for page one.

[fast pagoda]

Not really

[brittle basin]

True he could do better.

[prisma yacht]

great work evil bingo

[fast pagoda]

OP doesnt have much western fantasy elements outside of elbaph

and i guess thriller bark

[hardy stratus]

it doesn't need western fantasy elements to be an epic fantasy?

it doesn't need those medieval feel?

[rustic coral]

Its why I prefer post-ts also

[ashen perch]

Oda loves his anagrams, theres Oykot (Nami's hometown), that we still dont know the significance of...

[brittle basin]

it just needs to be huge in scope and length to be epic

[hardy stratus]

it needs to build its scope

progressively

some just choose to hint at it at start

and then continue to build it

[runic dock]

No significance

[rustic coral]

Should i ask for the significance

[runic dock]

[hardy stratus]

there's significance alright

[ashen perch]

I mean its Tokyo backwards

[hardy stratus]

and the significance is that it was a cd native hunting ground

[brittle basin]

we're not doing Nerona Nami. Don't let Arsal get away with it

[formal wagon]

WB destroyed oykot

[ashen perch]

what could that mean? I dont know!

[formal wagon]

theres evidence for this

[runic dock]

Wano is the Japan of one piece

So it won’t even be Japan

[ashen perch]

no its not

[runic dock]

So what will it be

[ashen perch]

theres Kano and Yano

[runic dock]

One of those is China

Like fr

[ashen perch]

why cant there be more Japan smh

[formal wagon]

which one is the happo navy from

[brittle basin]

I should sue Oda for using Oykot unironically

[runic dock]

Okay fine it can be modern day Japan lmao

With skyscrapers

[formal wagon]

I love oda's stupid ass names

[ashen perch]

youre seeing it now

[hardy stratus]

I don't see it

it would break worldbuilding

[brittle basin]

Zolo. Heh, classic.

[runic dock]

Kano, which is China

I believe

[ashen perch]

Its literally Tokyo, when it existed in the past, in the first world

[brittle basin]

NO IT'S NOT

[rustic coral]

Well if you compare like Water 7/EL scale to East Blue the plot and cast in W7 and EL is more akin to epic fantasy than Baratie

[ashen perch]

then the world got turned upside down

[brittle basin]

I will not allow this

[runic dock]

For now I think Yano is like Southeast Asia until proven otherwise

[ashen perch]

and it became Oykot

pretty simple

[formal wagon]

oykot is probably gonna be relevant in fraudmi's second slopstory

[hardy stratus]

since when did you believe in my first world being real world theory

[ashen perch]

!?

[brittle basin]

OP is a fantasy world separate from Earth. Don't do this Oda.

[hardy stratus]

Arsal fraud stealing my decade old theory

[ashen perch]

I have believed in it since forever

[hardy stratus]

I have believed in it since like a decade ago

[formal wagon]

[hardy stratus]

[ashen perch]

Goro didnt I point out VP's message to you the other day