also-manga

[lost pasture]

seeing animation now

[rain cedar]

Ahh kk. Have fun with that

[lost pasture]

Usopp is already a brave warrior of the sea because true bravery is not the absence of fear but the ability to act despite it, and Usopp consistently proves this throughout his journey. Even though he is often afraid, he still stands up against far stronger opponents, such as when he fought at Enies Lobby as Sogeking and boldly shot down the World Government flag, or when he saved countless people in Dressrosa and earned the title “God Usopp.” His courage comes not from physical strength but from his determination, intelligence, and deep loyalty to his crew, especially Monkey D. Luffy. Over time, he has grown from someone who runs away from danger into someone who faces it when it truly matters, proving that he is already living his dream of becoming a brave warrior of the sea.

or do one piece fans think that only strength is what matters ?? which lacks in YOUSOP ??

https://tenor.com/view/usopp-laughing-lol-self-confidence-confident-gif-16667283

[dark nymph]

nice ai

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/SurgeonofDepth/status/1964454056778485989

Surgeon of Depth (@SurgeonofDepth)

Everyone wants a hero in this story and yet they are illiterate when it comes to Dragon.

X · Sep 6, 2025, 10:21 PM

[urban lodge]

Yooo we stopped losing members

In fact we gained 5 whole members since yesterday

[grand flower]

It’s laid out for us with the numbers difference. Without converting the gifters and without the folk who turned sides because of Queen’s stunt, they would have been overrun

Chopper and Usopp play critical support

They don’t have a 1v1 victory becausw without what they did, the combination of the 10:1 army difference and the ice ogre virus spreading would have wiped out everyone not on the roof or fighting a Tobi Roppo and up

It’s not even left to interpretation

[hazy turret]

I was gonna respond to it at first but caught the ai last minute

[grand flower]

CP0 literally exposits to us that them changing sides completely shifted the raid from inevitable slaughter to a real war

[dark nymph]

"especially Monkey D. Luffy." just removes any doubt

wrap it up

[hazy turret]

That was what made me spot it too loool

[dark nymph]

Usopp fans gotta use AI now 🤦‍♂️

[grand flower]

You know, Imu flicking Zoro’s head and deciding he needed to blow Sanji the fuck up really shows the difference in threat level

[iron oriole]

You're not gonna start Zoro vs Sanji again that easily Sharon

[urban lodge]

Insane panel, not only do we have Who-Slop, but also Rocks D. Xebec

[formal wagon]

who slop is a critique of silhouette piece

oh its a new day

Griffon is Marigold

[stone terrace]

I cant keep up with your gimmicks

[formal wagon]

its bingo month

ognib month

25 new awesome theories.

[muted hedge]

oh its mailbox

why am i not surprised

[formal wagon]

because this is a thing i do

[muted hedge]

why

[formal wagon]

i love bingo

[leaden rivet]

I’m just pretending it’s an entirely new person every time

[pulsar path]

Transformers buggy in disguise transformers more than meets this guy

[formal wagon]

people liked planet earth a suprising amount

[urban lodge]

Egghead ends in december is still the best one

[formal wagon]

the classic that started it all

[pulsar path]

Lmao had no idea that was etamon

[rain cedar]

No i meant the SH crew dying

Obviously the samurai would've been slaughtered

[latent hamlet]

Raid fail?

[grand flower]

Nothing else was stopping them from moving on to the SHa

SHs*

Sanji, Robin and Zoro were tuckered out too

[mint pecan]

can't believe luffy died

he was a real one

[formal wagon]

i liked the ice ogre virus part of wano

really great chopper plot

[mint pecan]

shiiu

[formal wagon]

I think the virus felt like more of a threat than any of the other threats oda threw at onigashima

the island falling, and the kibi dango thing felt like they never mattered but the ice oni virus felt real

[hardy stratus]

Kibi dango as in different in number one?

[formal wagon]

i think if oda made it a much larger part of the arc it would have made the raid a lot better

[hardy stratus]

Idk that felt very real

[formal wagon]

i dont understand what you're asking sorry

[hardy stratus]

What do you mean by Kibi dango one?

Difference in number that Tama overturned?

[formal wagon]

oh my train of though was that the ice oni virus was how chopper helped in the raid, and the kibi dango stuff was what usopp and nami did to help, and I think chopper's contribution by stopping that threat felt more significant than converting the gifters because in the end a conquerors blast could probably just take them all out

I think killing off or almost killing off one of the scabbards by having them be overwhelmed by gifters could have been a way to make that part of the arc seem more serious

I think that particular plot had too much telling and not enough showing type shit

[rain cedar]

That's what I'm thinking as well lol. The grifters are all fodders

[urban lodge]

Should have happened to Denjiro

[formal wagon]

ON GOD

[hardy stratus]

But a conqueror's blast would have gotten the other party (the samurai out too)

The difference in number is a real concern in such large scale battle

[formal wagon]

Also when oda did kill people off he didnt do that much with it. Like izo vs maha? I genuinely think maha is one of oda's best designs ever and he just has him offscreened

[rain cedar]

Brook, Nami (who had zeus), Jinbei and franky are still there.

The grifters are fodders

[alpine trench]

Tomorrow’s episode will be good

Loki introduction is gonna hit

[warm sierra]

Loki aura farming will feed generations

[rain cedar]

The CP0 did end up being a bit less of a threat than I imagined them to be honest. Like obviously Guernica was great but the others....

[formal wagon]

😭 joseph did genuinely nothing the whole arc

[hardy stratus]

They were meant to be just an ovsrtver tho

From the beginning

[rain cedar]

They're supposed to be elites even then

[urban lodge]

One day until the midterm poll results

[hardy stratus]

CP0 were a third party anyway

idk what you wanted them to be here

[rain cedar]

Difference in expectations

That's all

[hardy stratus]

Misplaced expectations imo

when it was very evident from the start

Like I can get other aspects not hitting

[rain cedar]

it's okay, I'm not assassinating Oda because he didn't make them super duper cool lmao

But it's still meh for me

[rose rune]

hit me in my face maybe

yeaaah. take that

[keen quiver]

Been doing research and apparently davy jones can also be tied to being a celtic sea god

[hot cairn]

first time I've seen someone say that

[weak wedge]

Yea

[rain cedar]

Ice virus was good because it showed that chopper is still the goat

And idt it lasted all that long either

[keen quiver]

"There is no limit to the shapes Davy Jones can appear in. He is the whale, the shark, the whirlpool, the giant squid, the hurricane, all the fears of sailors. He has been described with huge saucer eyes, triple rows of teeth, a tail, and horns, with blue smoke pouring from his nostrils"

What is oda cooking

[hardy stratus]

Oda always cooks

[keen quiver]

We need that void century flashback

Asap

[hardy stratus]

Not as fast

In 150 chapters

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/eriochromatic/status/2050470343593406771?s=20

Erio @ FANIME 1710 (@eriochromatic)

One Piece Warlords x Cities of America pt 1/10

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X · May 2, 2026, 7:00 AM

[hardy stratus]

That skin tone looks ai...

😭

[urban lodge]

That artist is def not ai

I've followed them for years

[hardy stratus]

Yeah. It's just the choice that overlapped with most ai slop

[urban lodge]

Their art has probably been fed to ai

[graceful belfry]

Whirlpools make me think of Burn Scar

Davy Jones is Hinokizu

[keen quiver]

Burn scar man definitely got them from imu somehow

Otherwise I don't see the link

[graceful belfry]

Fire pfp btw

[hardy stratus]

Old pfp better

[keen quiver]

Ill switch back by next episode

That's my prediction

[hardy stratus]

So by tomorrow

[hot cairn]

the burn scar man is one of those OP mysteries I have no predictions for

[keen quiver]

Very likely

[hot cairn]

I'll just let Oda cook

cause I have no idea who it could be

[urban lodge]

It's Bluejam

[hardy stratus]

I have read a good dozen but none seem appealing

[keen quiver]

We only have what teach and his crew said

Plus imu using black fire

So far thats been it

[graceful belfry]

What was the old one?

[keen quiver]

We just dont know if this person existed back during Roger's time

[hardy stratus]

Nippon Sangoku

[graceful belfry]

Blackbeard’s character > that entire anime

[graceful belfry]

I honestly felt that way initially but I have a couple predictions atp lol

[keen quiver]

As a teach fan I just bide my time for his next appearance

The usual protocol

[graceful belfry]

Hopefully the goat gets active during his next appearance

[hot cairn]

what are your predictions?

[graceful belfry]

I love the suspense but I just wanna see it all play out

And what Ace he’s got up his sleeve this time

[hot cairn]

Oda will cook with him

[small ember]

Yeah when we see BB it’s always intriguing

[graceful belfry]

I think Davy Jones is an actual likely possibility tbh.

If it ends up being a former Roger Pirate, though, I think Gaban is, unfortunately, the option that I’d take the most serious.

Or it’s a brand new character

[royal orchid]

you're probably thinking of @rose rune

[graceful belfry]

Those are the three options in my head rn

[hot cairn]

it’s probably going to be this tbh

I doubt it’s Gaban

[stone terrace]

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X · May 1, 2026, 8:27 PM

Usopp shouldve been courage ngl

[muted hedge]

come on bring your friends

https://klipy.com/gifs/deer-fingers-adventure-time--k01KQMKTK525A4WE0X9WVG4WG5F

[hardy stratus]

What's it referencinf

[muted hedge]

adventure time's intro

they say come on bring your friends

banger series by the way

[thin quest]

Sanji should've been Johnny Bravo

[warm falcon]

Thanks for responding

[graceful belfry]

He’s not my favorite option in the world, yeah

[hazy turret]

Sanji should’ve been mordecai

[leaden rivet]

Next time we see him hopefully he’s mid kidnapping Shirahoshi 🙏

Or his foot is on Yamato’s throat. Either one is a big win.

[keen quiver]

I put money on it being wano for the next target

[hot cairn]

fr lmao

[keen quiver]

Idk what lafitte doing outside maybe marijoa or something to do with the food shipments heading up to the holy land

[hardy stratus]

💀

[hot cairn]

I think he wont be doing neither of those things tbh, he seems to have a plan going on rn

I dont think we'll jump immediately to him getting the ancient weapons

[urban lodge]

His curse worked and he's not even here to witness it

[urban lodge]

😭

You were given too much power

[hot cairn]

penny is gunko your favorite op character

[urban lodge]

In all of one piece probably not

But definitely my favorite in a long time

[urban lodge]

:3

[hot cairn]

I see

[rich bone]

this hand looks so weird

[urban lodge]

I think my favorite overall might be Garp

[hot cairn]

I would've find it funny if she was your favorite one

[leaden rivet]

…

[hardy stratus]

Noice

[hot cairn]

cause imagine reading 1100+ chapters for just getting to the part your favorite shows up

[muted hedge]

huuuh

i definitely thought it was Gunko

[frigid gulch]

Is Garp a Larper

[hardy stratus]

Garp is my #1 too

[frigid gulch]

[hot cairn]

good choice

[urban lodge]

She's like top 2 or 3

Ranking characters is hard

[hardy stratus]

Garp #1 and Luffy #2

rest are irrelevant

[hot cairn]

that's why I found Socrates' obsession with loki pretty funny

[frigid gulch]

Wonder what hybrid Loki will look like

[hardy stratus]

I mean I can see that

[frigid gulch]

Idt I’ve seen any concepts

[urban lodge]

Ok I'll say Gunko and Buggy are tied at number 2

[hardy stratus]

A character which works for you the best doesn't necessarily have to be present a lot

[hot cairn]

woah, and her whole story hasnt even been revealed yet

[hardy stratus]

Like you would probably be in extreme shock if you know which 2 Naruto character are my top 2 jwsus

[frigid gulch]

https://x.com/opmangart69/status/2003178527005507971?s=46

OPMANGART69 🏴‍☠️ (@opmangart69)

Loki in hybrid form
#onepiece #onepiecefanart

X · Dec 22, 2025, 6:59 PM

This is just Kaido v2

[hardy stratus]

if you think Loki or Gunko at 2 is shocking

[muted hedge]

that's not even a dragon lol

[hot cairn]

Ik but I wonder if it's some type of recency bias

[hot cairn]

who is it?

[hardy stratus]

Nostalgia merchant for older characters fr

[hot cairn]

say it in other series if you cant say it here

[frigid gulch]

Ye it’s a concept prior to the Nidhogg reveal

[hot cairn]

I dont want Red's wrath

[frigid gulch]

Prob based on the silhouette

[wet condor]

A good choice

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

[wet condor]

Garp is in my top 5

I haven't really made a top 5 but I'm sure he's in it lol

[urban lodge]

Those Hachinosu chapters are legendary

[wet condor]

Never really sat down and thought hard about it

[hot cairn]

I love Garp but Garp discussions I kinda hate

[wet condor]

Them and GV makes me like him even more

[hot cairn]

does that make sense?

[wet condor]

yes

[urban lodge]

I don't even participate in them

It's for the best

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/xebec-rocks-d-xebec-one-piece-pirate-king-gif-11787886430296731254

[hardy stratus]

Yeah cuz most of OP fandom is braindead

[hot cairn]

me neither, I just see them from afar

they always get too heated

[muted hedge]

Harald is a steady top 10 for me

such an overly hated character

[hot cairn]

LOL

[wet condor]

Harald can maybe get into my top 20

[hot cairn]

Garp takes are pretty personal tbh

[wet condor]

They are

[urban lodge]

It seems you either love him or hate him

[muted hedge]

people want flawed characters, so they can hate on them

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/weliton-amogos-arzkeir-monkey-d-kong-one-piece-gif-19129540

[hardy stratus]

The "CD defender garp" agenda was fucking braindead

[wet condor]

Harald is similar

[oak sage]

I just thought, the straw hat Imu has in his castle in a cold chamber reminds me of this guys. Are they wearing Straw Hats too? Are yetis descendand of giants or some other lost "human tribe"?

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130428084235/onepiece/images/9/97/Yeti_Cool_Brothers_Anime_Infobox.png

[formal wagon]

unflawed character ^ universally loved

[hardy stratus]

I feel like we would get a Sengoku stonks soon

[frigid gulch]

L*ffy has moves with his name, good or bad?

[hot cairn]

yeah there's no inbetween

[formal wagon]

BAD.

[leaden rivet]

Feel like it’s too soon for Wano

Would be weird to make a big deal about Yamato staying to protect Wano just for her to get wrecked by Kuzan

[hot cairn]

"oppression impact" LOL

[muted hedge]

most of them shut their gob after Garp punched Saturn/Imu

[native seal]

HPQ was persistent

I think at one point she started complaining about him not saving the slaves that are around him and instead going to punch saturn

[urban lodge]

Goat, punched god and got away with it

[wet condor]

Absolutely based Garp

Honestly

[hardy stratus]

HPQ?

[wet condor]

Literally just doing whatever the fuck he wants and no one does anything about it

[urban lodge]

Heart Pirate Queen

[native seal]

he's flawed and that's why I like him

[hardy stratus]

Oh buffy but not buffy

🏃‍♂️

[hot cairn]

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X · May 2, 2026, 3:00 PM

[wet condor]

Lol, they are both yellow names

but completely different people

[hardy stratus]

Back when I didn't interact with Buffy enough

I used to confuse those two

Now that I have interacted with Buffy more

[wet condor]

I do recognize people by the color of their names

[hardy stratus]

It's Buffy and Buffy but not Buffy

🏃

[hot cairn]

eh

[hardy stratus]

Defeating the big bad who seems to be going after everyone is a pretty reasonable thing to do

His officers can rescue people

they can't fight saturimu

[native seal]

For some reason garp dislikes never seem to grasp the intention oda has with the character

[wet condor]

I think they do, they just don't like him lol

[hardy stratus]

Any takes other than the takes I have are invalid

So EL enjoyers are invalid

[native seal]

if he's drawing garp straight up punching imu/saturn without caring about anything how do you interpret that as him defending slavery

[wet condor]

They feel like Garp has a responsibility to be just and act in a way that's consistent with their morals because of how powerful he is

I like Garp because he lives as he pleases. He's overall decent too

[hardy stratus]

Garp punching people is saving the slaves

[hot cairn]

yeah this is what I think too

it's not that people dont get garp

[hardy stratus]

He has the responsibility to fight the big bad

because he has the capacity to do so

[wet condor]

Even if he didn't tbh

[hot cairn]

it's that they do but they dont like him either way

I understand that honestly

[wet condor]

Garp does it because he feels like it

If he didn't feel like it, he wouldn't do it and no one could make him

And that's what I like about him

[hardy stratus]

He's at dismay and disgust at what's happening in the island

Continuously

[wet condor]

Yeah, he is. But that isn't enough for some people

Garp didn't come there to save the slaves is one of the things that upsets them

He came there because he wanted to fight Roger

[trim lily]

i like that garp is also a bit self aware that he hasn’t done anything to change the system

so he’s placing his faith in the next generation to not be like he was

[hardy stratus]

He thinks about fostering generations of people who care

so when the change does happen

There are people to keep the good part of the system running

[wraith mantle]

I like Garp because he’s a flawed character that doesn’t always make the right decisions

[leaden rivet]

Garp is my best written character but he’s also one of my least favorite char

[hardy stratus]

They are same thing to me so always wild

[wet condor]

He's flaws are what make me like him I guess, but I don't like him because he's flawed

[hardy stratus]

Why would I like a character I don't find good written

[wraith mantle]

Characters like Koby are less interesting

[leaden rivet]

Goro you need to stop thinking so black and white

[wet condor]

Prob the thing that I've disliked the most is not helping Ace and Luffy

[urban lodge]

A couple days ago I saw a tweet responding to a video of Garp arriving at Hachinosu to save Koby and they were like "where was that energy for Ace?", and like you're soooooo close to getting it

[trim lily]

you should always hate characters you don’t morally agree with

[wraith mantle]

Always makes the right decisions

Shanks too to a certain extent

[hardy stratus]

I don't dislike it

I just pity him

and feel sad for him

and hence Hachinosu part of Garp feels so emotionally compelling

[wet condor]

Well, as far as writing is concerned, it makes for an interesting character. So I like it in that sense lol

[hardy stratus]

for him, rescuing Koby and doing everything hr did then
Was something hr wanted to do for Ace but he was unable to

[obtuse perch]

Garp is a good man who was defeated and gave up. He settled to do the best he could with what he had access to and put all his chips on the next generation. It's not fair to them, it's not right for Garp, but realistically neither Garp nor Roger were positioned to make the change the world needs. They both accepted that, and we fault Garp while extolling Roger.

[hardy stratus]

he's not defeated at all

Neither has he given up

This is his way of fighting

which is perhaps most important

[obtuse perch]

I would say settling for being a guard dog for the lower ranks is a means of giving up. It's finding a comfortable niche.

A helpful one, don't get me wrong

[hardy stratus]

the vaccum which will be left after Luffy/Dragon finishes their task ending in a revolution

Would just destroy the world even more

Without the foundation that are good marines that Garp help formed

and sustain

[rain cedar]

Giving up would be him retiring or realising that it doesn't matter. But he's settled into VA because that gives him the most autonomy and he can keep training the young gens

He's actively setting up the future of marines

[hardy stratus]

Yea

he's continuously fighting

It would be very great if we got to see more of Sengoku and he played a role on decreasing frequency of Native Hunts

would give him nice extra depth

[obtuse perch]

I agree with you that it's his way of fighting back. But when his own son runs off to start a revolution that he doesn't join that gets a bit harder to square away. Now I love me some Garp, you won't hear me slandering the man. But he very much is the mentor who failed and expects his students to succeed in his place.

[trim lily]

the contrast between pre and post ts sengoku is insane

[hardy stratus]

not really

He realized he can't bring the change alone, and Navy is a core element that must be preserved but not in the capacity he saw then

[hot cairn]

he retired after marineford tbh but he stayed as a teacher for the new recruits

[trim lily]

he’s a wholesome silly old man now who was complicit in or helped with quite a few WG atrocities

[hardy stratus]

Sangoku?

[trim lily]

yeah

[hardy stratus]

Senfoku*

[rain cedar]

Damn

[native seal]

bro just give up

[hot cairn]

almost completely different characters LOL retirement mellowed that man

[wet condor]

post timeskip Sengoku has some charm

I didn't care about him before lol

[rain cedar]

The whole garp being a celestial dragon defender is literally what sengoku should be slandered for lmao

[stone terrace]

Cant like garp

[hot cairn]

yeah me neither

[stone terrace]

How are you best friends with sengoku

[hot cairn]

why

[hot cairn]

oh

[wet condor]

Who cares?

[hardy stratus]

I think it's the same but new info just recontextualizes it

[wet condor]

I hope I see them dapping each other up some more

[trim lily]

what an awesome guy

[vernal ravine]

actually the best sengoku moment for me is that conversation with Law and that is when he is already retired

[stone terrace]

Thats like saying who cares to someone who is friends with stalin

😭

[hardy stratus]

[stone terrace]

Who you surround yourself with says a lot about you

[grand flower]

And woukd have been destroyed by the sheer numbers against then

[hardy stratus]

Not at all but I give up on that front

[wet condor]

Me

[muted hedge]

i really don't like Sengoku

[hardy stratus]

I am gonna see people turn up on Sengoku in 100 chapters so clearly

[hot cairn]

we're talking about your favorite topic shuron

[stone terrace]

Guy went from okayish to reprehensible

[wet condor]

This was funny

[trim lily]

if he gets some more character then sure

[hardy stratus]

The foundations are already there

[grand flower]

The SHs scraped out a narrow, lucky victory WITH the gifter conversion.

So what logic says they’d win without it @rain cedar

[hot cairn]

[hardy stratus]

we are gonna see it in Dragon flashback for sure

[stone terrace]

Idk drinking tea and eating crackers with a guy vehemently deadset on murdering your "grandson" just is odd

[wet condor]

"When the upper management is doing something insane... I can just look the other way"

I don't know why this is so funny

[trim lily]

see no evil hear no evil

[stone terrace]

I get garps stance on not saving ace but how are you chill with the guys who did it

[wet condor]

Irl it is

[rain cedar]

Can someone make this meme with sengoku and garp

[hot cairn]

that's why he's so interesting for me ngl

[wet condor]

In this manga, I can't bring myself to care. I like Garp still lol

[rain cedar]

Probably the fact that the manga kinda establishes gifters to be useless bums honestly. But I hear your

Like I don't think they would WIN

[vernal ravine]

i actually like him more in the post time skip i liked that moment when he talked with garp in loki flashback when he says that he just wants to get higher ranks cause at least he is honest

[hot cairn]

I get what you mean Music

[rain cedar]

But they won't all die either

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/stroheim-stroheim-laugh-rudol-von-stroheim-jojo-jjba-gif-658465187092113581

[iron oriole]

Sengoku is definitely worse than Garp, Sengoku just like doesn't care & ignores it, Garp at least is trying to influence the newer generations to be rebellious ig

[grand flower]

No it doesn’t

[rain cedar]

I mean that's all of the marine lol

[grand flower]

No way Yall talking about bad bitches

[rain cedar]

Garp knows that Luffy decided to put himself at risk when he became a pirate

[grand flower]

What’s up tho

[rain cedar]

Im not hearing you on gifter upscales Shuron

[hot cairn]

we're talking about why Garp is a good character that some people cant just fw

[wet condor]

Sengoku does talk like he's climbing up the ladder in order to restructure the Marines but we don't what or if he's actually done anything lol

[grand flower]

I already told you when the story establish that the gifters and numbers matter

[hot cairn]

Sengoku is a text book bootlicker

[grand flower]

If you don’t believe me, you don’t believe me idc

[rain cedar]

I know they have the numbers

[grand flower]

Sengoku created sword

[rain cedar]

But if you believe they'll kill all of the SH

[hot cairn]

I dont think he has

[rain cedar]

That's cap

[hot cairn]

not like Garp at least

[hardy stratus]

They don't have to kill all SHs

[grand flower]

It’s actually very obvious Sengoku created sword

[hardy stratus]

I mean, the story has left to touch thay

we just got that bit about him 10 chapters ago

[wet condor]

They haven't mentioned any reforms

[hardy stratus]

sword

[wet condor]

What was that?

SWORD is his invention?

[grand flower]

Sengoku saved and rescued Corazon and Drake, the latter being the captain of sword

Corazon infiltrating Dofys crew by turning in his marine code is exactly what Drake did to Kaido

Koby and Drake answer the phone with food-based code words

[leaden rivet]

Oda’s making him cute to try to make us forget that he’s a genocide supporter

[grand flower]

Sengoku and Corazon did the same thing

Sengoku very very obviously made sword

[hardy stratus]

No about him wanting to climb up the ranks and that's his answer to this issue

[grand flower]

He told Garp you can’t do anything by barking at the bottom of the ladder

[hazy turret]

I don’t remember this

[hardy stratus]

To change the system

[grand flower]

Which by default, inherently means, Sengoku sees being at the top of the ladder as the means to change things

Garp doesnt like this outlook becausw he believes you can’t climb the ladder without giving into corruption

[wet condor]

Yeah but we don't hear about any reforms that he's done

[hazy turret]

But…….

[grand flower]

Yeah cause it hasn’t been revealed he created sword yet

[hardy stratus]

Yeah because we don't know the before and after thing Music

we got that bit about his character 10 chapters ago

[grand flower]

#also-manga message

[hardy stratus]

we are set to see kore

more*

[hazy turret]

He’s been fleet admiral for god knows how long and the only sort of “”””””change””””” he did was sword?

[hardy stratus]

Do we even know about what it was before to make a point?

[hazy turret]

Not to mention, sword isn’t some anti wg thing

[native seal]

Not giving a shit about sengoku feels amazing

[leaden rivet]

Fujitora just makes the rest of the “sympathetic” marines look bad

Fujitora is out her fighting an admiral to save slaves and you have people like Garp doing….uh….

[hazy turret]

I’m sorry what change is sword doing? It’s just a way to take down pirates by having marines avoid responsibility for their people if they find themself in hot water

[wet condor]

Fujitora has been the most progerssive admiral so far lol

And he's been working his job for no more than 3 years

[hazy turret]

They won’t have to get dragged into a war if a sword member gets captured because all they have to do it recognize the resignation letter they all put it. Isn’t that what sword does?

[iron oriole]

Fujitora been putting in the work

[hardy stratus]

Sengoku and Dragon are gonna be working together just you see

[urban lodge]

Fujitora is worse than Garp, he knew and approved of the plan to replace the warlords with child soldiers and he was perfectly okay with betting the lives of an entire country on a guy he met half an hour before

[native seal]

nah

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

[iron oriole]

Basically yeah

[hot cairn]

oh

[native seal]

sengoku will go down the path of saving law

[hazy turret]

I forgive him because he doesn’t go around talking about how he doesn’t like the celestials or whatever

[iron oriole]

They can choose to just abandon the SWORD member at any given moment

[hardy stratus]

Nah as in they already are

[thick mango]

Setting up an alternate semi independent command structure seems like a good seed for a coup

[hardy stratus]

We will see a flashback

[native seal]

aokiji and fujitora are better contenders than sengoku at this point

[stone terrace]

Fujitora wasn't indoctrinated to be a bootlicker

Just drafted into this shitty org and said nah ima do my own thing

[leaden rivet]

The thing is Garp had like 40 + years to actually do anything to help but he didn’t do shit until he has some new young people to actually do the thing he never did

[stone terrace]

Questionable decision making him an admiral

[hardy stratus]

Nah

[frigid gulch]

Greenbull on the other hand

[wet condor]

Based

[fiery fog]

i think the whole of op has questionable decision making in general bro

[leaden rivet]

“Raising the next generation” you had 40 years

[urban lodge]

Tbf he tried

And failed until Koby

[hardy stratus]

flashback in 100 chapters gonna make it better dragon

[thick mango]

It was aokiji before koby

[wet condor]

Yeah that's a good point

[hazy turret]

Idk they’re still carrying out the mission of the marines, they seem to believe in the cause. We’ll see though

[wet condor]

Which is funny how it turned out

[trim lily]

not just child soldiers, child soldiers able to level towns that are at the full control of the WG

[thick mango]

If a coup happens, which I think is likely, sword will definitely be the heart of it

[hardy stratus]

And that led to a part in saving Ohara(?) and Saul and Robin?

[iron oriole]

I still think theres like a none 0% chance Aokiji is a member of SWORD

[leaden rivet]

He didn’t want to raise Aokiji

[hardy stratus]

Which is good

[leaden rivet]

He was literally telling him to go away

[grand flower]

Whatever bro

[leaden rivet]

Aokiji had to force himself on him

[trim lily]

it’s unfortunately possible

[stone terrace]

Fujitora is blind and didnt realize they were children

[thick mango]

That's just classic reluctant mentor trope he did in the end

[hazy turret]

I don’t think they’ll be leading the charge for anything like that. At best they’ll aid the revos

[wet condor]

Yeah it did. No one is disputing that. But also Aokiji is aligned with is one of the greatest threats to the WG

[stone terrace]

Vegapunk kinda got to sidestep the whole morality thing period i think oda deadass just doesnt give a fuck lmao

[hazy turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1480882886755225710/image0.gif

[leaden rivet]

Trope or not that’s what he was doing, he has no other interest other than chasing his boyfriend Roger until Koby came along to save his legacy

[native seal]

will be satisfied with anything other than him being a humble pirate now cause what the fuck

[hazy turret]

KILL VEGAPUNK

[trim lily]

he felt bad about the pacifistas but he was alright doing the same thing but again and worse

[hardy stratus]

And the extent of it and the impact of it we don't know, so its crazy to ignore the good that came from it and only focus on supposed impact of the future action?

[iron oriole]

Yeah i dont buy the whole "i'm just a Pirate now" shit

[hot cairn]

they'll 100% mount a coup

[leaden rivet]

Tried with who

[hazy turret]

I’m sorry but that’s what the revos are for

[leaden rivet]

We don’t actually see him try to mold Aokiji into being a “good” marine he just trains Aokiji because Aokiji wouldn’t leave him alone

[wet condor]

The SHs are going to win in the end so what Garp did with Aokji will inevitably pay greater dividends. But that isn't something he could've really foreseen

[native seal]

there'll 100% be a coup from within the marines

[hardy stratus]

There multiple factions for the coup to work rokaya

[native seal]

and the revs are there to speed up that process

[iron oriole]

& there just happens to be an org thats established within the marines that allows a select group of marines do what they want?

[wet condor]

Yeah I never ignored it

[trim lily]

i still don’t really get what sword is

[urban lodge]

Dragon and Kuzan and even Luffy

[obtuse perch]

this is my hope, sword takes over the reins for the marines post IMU. the world still needs some kind of policing force, pirates are definitely a problem to the average civilian

[trim lily]

feels kind of stupid from an organizational perspective

[grand flower]

Sorry. A lot of Yall choose to ignore characters expositing to us “most marines are just saving people” because you don’t like them being part of the corruption

Then turn around and say “well what’s sword doing that’s good”

2+2= sword exists to save people without being in the corruption

Like cmon

[leaden rivet]

No way

[hazy turret]

Again, so aiding the revos

[leaden rivet]

You cannot give Garp credit for any of them lol

[hazy turret]

They’re not spearheading anything

[leaden rivet]

Especially not Dragon or Luffy

[grand flower]

OP is not a very complicated story lol

[urban lodge]

No but he tried to make them the new generation of marines

[wet condor]

You can give him some credit for Aokiji lol

[hot cairn]

yeah but the revos having the support of some of the navy can still happen

[grand flower]

Obviously, “what sword is doing” is saving people while doing what they can to avoid enabling the worst parts of the WG

[hardy stratus]

Idk man with the takes I am seeing rn I feel like it seems to he for some

[wet condor]

Giving him credit for Dragon and Luffy is funny though

[obtuse perch]

there's a lot of value in that, but alongside comes with the admittance that he couldn't cut it

[leaden rivet]

He tried? You mean he punched them in the face and told them to be marines then fucked off and let Bandits raise them?

[grand flower]

That’s the obvious point of a group of marines who exist to literally disobey orders without repercussions

[wet condor]

He gave birth to Dragon who create the revos, who then gives birth to Luffy who is key to dismantaling the WG. Not wrong

[hazy turret]

I don’t know if you know how sword operates exactly.

[hot cairn]

yeah

[grand flower]

Do YOU?

[urban lodge]

I mean yeah? I'm not saying his methods were good, but he still tried

[stone terrace]

He was the catalyst just not intentionally

[iron oriole]

Basically Marines that are tired of needing "orders" to be able to interfere with Yonko's & probably other powerful/big name Pirates etc, so they've essentially handed in their resignation with the Marines as a trade for them to be able to interfere with such Pirates & as a result if anything goes bad the WG/Navy can just abandon them

[grand flower]

Sword exists so they can do what their moral compass tells them to do

[stone terrace]

Made dragon join the marines which caused dragon to see one of the most deplorable things possible and become a revo

[leaden rivet]

I’m sayin that’s not not trying Penny

[hazy turret]

I’ve explained it multiple times now while you’ve been vaguely referring to what they do

[trim lily]

i get what it is in paper but it feels kind of stupid for the WG to allow it

[leaden rivet]

His only trying is with Koby. Beating up a kid to force them into being a marine ain’t trying

[stone terrace]

Beat the piss out of luffy and made him hate him so much he looked to a pirate as inspiration for freedom

[hardy stratus]

💀

[trim lily]

in every instance we’ve seen the sword members are still considered marines, but they can just do whatever without any oversight?

[wet condor]

It is trying but it just didn't work lol

[grand flower]

We are told in no uncertain terms that sword exists for marines who want to make their own judgement calls instead of being beholden to any and all orders

[native seal]

y'all are hilarious

[leaden rivet]

Deadass like your mad that he’s influenced by shanks, but that’s because you weren’t there for him

[iron oriole]

Not really, if it goes well its a win for them & if it goes bad well they resigned weeks/months before it happened

[haughty saddle]

After we got to see how he reacted towards Dragon grilling him post-God Valley, yeah.

[grand flower]

The trade off is that if your judgement call gets you into some shit, the government will not provide a safety net for you

[hazy turret]

All they’ve been doing is trying to bring down the yonkos, the thing that the CDs/WG wants. That’s their focus right now. I’m not really seeing any set up for internal change lol

[obtuse perch]

IIRC Sword is an unsanctioned marine group. So while the Sword members still hold and can pull rank on those beneath them, the resignation papers are held at bay to prove any one captured member of Sword was "not a marine" when whatever black ops operation they were doing goes south. It's a political facade, but it puts a bunch of up and comers in a position to overthrow the current power structure.

[grand flower]

That is not true

[trim lily]

but what benefit does this serve them if the sword members are still considered marines on paper and socially

[leaden rivet]

Dad how can you work for people who enslave and hurt others?

K.

[hardy stratus]

💀

[grand flower]

That’s actually a grievous misconception of what Kuzan said

Kuzan said they can disobey ANY orders they wish

And he gives fighting the emperors as AN example

That is not ALL they do

That’s the one he chose

[haughty saddle]

His own son is like dude what the fuck I’m done with this what was that and he picks his nose and says okay. Garp is a shitter.

[grand flower]

BECAUSE HES TALKING TO AN EMPEROR

[wet condor]

No answer that he gave would've been satisfactory to anyone anyways lol

[hardy stratus]

It's a moment where that reaction works better than anything else

[haughty saddle]

And my stupid ass insisted that Oda wouldn’t make that interaction that shallow. Surely not. Surely there’s so much meat here to chew on.

[leaden rivet]

I know, I’m just disagreeing with Penny giving him credit for how dragon turned out

[wet condor]

Yeah, he just resigns himself to it

[iron oriole]

Well the benefit comes if they actually successfully take down X Pirate, the WG/Navy takes the credit naturally but theres not really a loss by having the org exist

[hardy stratus]

Because he know that he has no answer for Dragon

[native seal]

It was better that way

[grand flower]

Sword exists for marines who want to be able to do WHATEVER they want

[urban lodge]

That's not what I said Illya

[obtuse perch]

This is my biggest thing to say Garp knows he gave up. He took Dragon's verbal abuse because he knew it was deserved. He let Dadan pound him bloody because he knew it was deserved. Garp doesn't even think his actions are defendable, just that it's the best he's got.

[hardy stratus]

idk how in any world that conversation feels shallow

[wet condor]

You'd think there be more than what there was, yeah lol

[trim lily]

but why do they exist in the first place

[urban lodge]

I'm simply saying he tried to make him the new generation of marines

He failed

[native seal]

I absolutely loved that exchange

[leaden rivet]

Ah right

[trim lily]

the marines and wg already have undercover operations

[native seal]

I was dying for a dragon garp interaction the whole of god valley

[trim lily]

why allow a group of marines to just do whatever and disobey orders, when what they do isn’t even that special

[native seal]

and that interaction was just so meaningful

[hardy stratus]

Ye

[leaden rivet]

So yeah I’m just saying he didn’t try, it’s kinda like seeing your kid once every few months and saying you’re “trying” to raise them

[grand flower]

@hazy turret a lot of the questions you ask to criticize the marines are answered by context clues

[haughty saddle]

I can’t disagree with this more

[trim lily]

sword feels like oda just wanted an excuse for “oh don’t worry these guys are the GOOD marines”

[hardy stratus]

I mean, we don't really know much about sword at this point?

[grand flower]

The problem is context clues are kinda useless when you ignore what we’re told about them that isn’t something negative

[hardy stratus]

Exactly lol

[trim lily]

yeah i’m just going off what we know now

[wet condor]

I mean, you gotta make some marines good for there to be good ones lol

[hazy turret]

I’m not even talking about that kuzan moment. I’m literally talking about what they’ve done in the story

[native seal]

That conversation would lose it's meaning if garp started to justify and explain himself trying to convince dragon

He understood the mindset his son was in and respected it

[trim lily]

as sword is now i can’t understand why they’d exist other than to have a group of good marines

[hardy stratus]

The point of that convo was Garp understood he failed Dragon

[haughty saddle]

And it makes him way less likable as a character for it.

[hardy stratus]

There's no excuse

there's no reasoning

Idk Garp didn't give up? He just didn't have any answer for Dragon, doesn't mean he gave up

[wet condor]

I get wanting to see some father-son quarreling though lol

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/i/status/2050549160684687521

Pew (@pewpiece)

IN 24 HOURS LOKI WILL APPEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE ONE PIECE ANIME.

X · May 2, 2026, 12:13 PM

[wet condor]

We know what Garp's stated reason is

[hardy stratus]

I don't see because that would have made it so much terrible

[wet condor]

He could've told that to Dragon if he wanted to

[trim lily]

oh they’re finally out of legoland

huge

[wet condor]

He just didn't

[royal orchid]

last ep was Luffy breaking the blue block wall

[hardy stratus]

Which atp is just excuse

[hazy turret]

That condescension aside, I don’t know why you always try to go to bat for the marines as if they’re not supposed to be a flawed system that we’re SUPPOSED to criticize

[iron oriole]

Its times like this i wish Socrates was still here

[hardy stratus]

Because the question is not "what you want to do"

the question was about the integrity of the system Garp has been part of

Garp found out about native hunt alongside Dragon

[hardy stratus]

This look so good

[haughty saddle]

Still couldn’t disagree more.

[native seal]

I was one of them too, I wanted to see a clash of ideologies between dragon and garp but after seeing the way oda handled that conversation after everything dragon witnessed in GV it changed my mind so much

[hardy stratus]

OP back?

[obtuse perch]

you can't explain gray morality to one piece fans the agendas are too powerful

[native seal]

cheers

[leaden rivet]

I’m with you 100% on it

[haughty saddle]

How did he handle it

It wasn’t handled at all dude

It was tossed aside

[hardy stratus]

Idk for me y'all can't seem to understand concepts which arent black and white

[haughty saddle]

Garp literally said K

[keen quiver]

You're alive ?

That's good news

[leaden rivet]

🪞

[trim lily]

morality is binary

nuance is for the weak

[urban lodge]

Officials said "I know"

[hardy stratus]

It wasn't tossed aside?
Garp doesn't have an answer for him is the point of it. Which is the point of it

Garp failed Dragon

That's the freaking point

[native seal]

I want to know how you wanted that exchange to go down

[wet condor]

Sometimes that happens. It might be better than what you thought

[native seal]

So I can understand

[hardy stratus]

Especially to you

[native seal]

always alive when it's about dragon

[hardy stratus]

Wrong

[leaden rivet]

Goro you’re like the most black and white thinker in this server, you can’t even understand how I think Garp is a peak character despite me disliking him

[keen quiver]

Hope for that fanbase's sake he moves this next arc

[obtuse perch]

are you saying i'm part of "y'all"? cuz i'm the first person to point out part of what makes one piece great is how well oda shows justifications on both sides

[hardy stratus]

That's not about Black and White?

Thats my disagreement with 'Enjoyment and Quality being different'

[wraith mantle]

that fanbase will wait for 100 years

[native seal]

you're gonna be the first to switch up

[leaden rivet]

It’s black and white because you think a character being well written= you must like them

[hardy stratus]

No in these case
You are either affirming an outside parameter of "quality/well written" to your subjective analysis of an art/aspect of art

[stone terrace]

My worldview lends me to disliking garp a lot

Despite him being a more realistic character

[hardy stratus]

If you don't like a character and think they are well written, you are placing objectivity to what makes smth well written

Which defeats the point of art to me

[wet condor]

But not certain other characters who're as bad or considerably worse lol

[leaden rivet]

Nope

[trim lily]

i think you can understand a character and the intent behind them while also disliking them

[wet condor]

Unrionically, it's funny how that works

[leaden rivet]

I understand everything Garp does, I think it makes sense in his character why he does these things but I still just don’t like him

[wet condor]

Because this is the case for everyone who reads this manga. It's not even a criticism really

[full dagger]

Does this channel have more high cortisol users than #manga

[stone terrace]

Yes

[leaden rivet]

We’re#manga with a superiority complex

[hazy turret]

I think because it’s a story that’s why it’s much easier to hate garp honestly

[full dagger]

I think its the other way

[native seal]

#manga doesn't even discuss about the manga to get their cortisols spiked

[hardy stratus]

With this, you are placing value to outside parameters to your judgement

[hazy turret]

Hating on garp is what we wish we could feel toward people in a similar to position to him irl

Just some #1019784285563146300forthought

Damn it

[hardy stratus]

Meh

[stone terrace]

OP villains are honestly pretty damn hard to hate

[haughty saddle]

With any sort of dialog from Garp at all. Anything. Any sort of justification from his end. Where is his justification for what he does? Does he not have one?? Have we, the audience of One Piece, sat around waiting for exposition on this incredibly strangely juxtaposed character’s reasons for being in the places he is for nothing??? We get a alright??? The scene would have gone better if Dragon just spit on him and said fuck you if that’s how we were gonna do this. Garp has no explanation for why. It isn’t “because erm well, police have to exist still because”. It isn’t. If it was, Garp should have said something. Garp is a character of incredibly weak conviction if he can’t even open his mouth to his own son after God Valley. And if it’s intentional and not just poor writing, then Garp just fucking sucks as a guy. And I mean, I guess, sure, but why?

[digital spear]

I dont know any people like that

[haughty saddle]

Fuck I meant to reply to Sak

[hardy stratus]

then just don't say you want morally gray characters

[hot cairn]

it was "I know" tbh

[wet condor]

Lemme take a peak in there

I ain't been in there in a minute

[hardy stratus]

If you can't like engage when a character is morally gray

[full dagger]

i saw them talking about you earlier

Its about ekittens

[stone terrace]

W7 is like the one time i was really fuming with lucci and spandam

[leaden rivet]

Who are you speaking to Goro

[haughty saddle]

Okay that doesn’t dismantle what I’m saying

[digital spear]

What did they want from saks ekittens

[haughty saddle]

Why am I not replying I hate you discord

[hardy stratus]

His lack of answer is the justification

[hazy turret]

I mean people who exist irl that are in a similar position as garp

[native seal]

You have everything right and the reasons you stated is why I like Garp, he doesn't have answers and he's flawed that's why he's well written and you're completely justified to hate him for the same reason

[hardy stratus]

If that's how you like/dislike character, then you can't ask for morally nuanced characters

like I shouldn't see you saying you like any GoT character rokaya

[digital spear]

What would Garp have told Dragon

[haughty saddle]

I guess it’s the same thing as people who like Akainu then. I just don’t understand it.

[leaden rivet]

Goro you’re still so black and white

[native seal]

You got that right, love akainu too

[leaden rivet]

Just because you don’t like a character doesn’t mean you can’t engage with or understand them

[hardy stratus]

You are black and white to me

[digital spear]

If theyd watch that theyd love every op character

[hazy turret]

I don’t know how that relates to what I said goro icl

[hardy stratus]

This is what rok said her criteria to 'like' a character

[hazy turret]

What??

What are you BLABBERING about

[leaden rivet]

Who cares? Your criteria of liking a character or not doesn’t tell to how you engage with the story. You can like or dislike a character for any reason

[hardy stratus]

Because you would dislike a character like Garp because you would dislike a person like Garp in real life?

That means you wouldn't be liking any morally gray character?

[hazy turret]

I’m not even going to argue against this because it’s not at all what I said

[haughty saddle]

Anything. “We do more good than this”. “I didn’t know that was what we did.” “You did the right thing.” “No I love the evil shadow demons that apparently I work for”. Literally any sort of dialog that we could extrapolate an internal dialogue from.

[hardy stratus]

MB then

[stone terrace]

Gray isnt one shade

[hardy stratus]

There were multiple convo ongoing

[stone terrace]

Luffy is also morally gray lol

[hardy stratus]

yeah

Most people would hate Luffy if they knew him irl

[hazy turret]

I’m saying if someone like garp exists irl, you wouldn’t be able to go as hard on him or hate him as much because of the “nuances”. But because it’s a story, it’s why I think it’s so easy to be so harsh toward him and hold him to these expectations

[digital spear]

Garp not telling Dragon anything basically means he doesnt think Dragon does the wrong thing at least. He probably is confused now whats right and wrong but knows hes doing something wrong sticking with the marines so he cant blame Dragon for leaving the marines and hating him. Thats what the scene meant imo

[proud loom]

I wouldn’t mind Luffy as long as he stays away from my fridge

[trim lily]

i feel he leans very heavily towards the good side of the gradient than the bad though

[hazy turret]

It’s not some set in stone rule for all characters ever, I was just thinking out loud

[wet condor]

Luffy would be a bit too annoying to be around irl. But I wouldn't hate him lol

[hardy stratus]

Sorry I understood other way around due to the disjointness of the message

[leaden rivet]

[digital spear]

Luffy would just land in prison quickly

[trim lily]

semicolon moment

[desert oyster]

Idk if I’d like Luffy irl. I tend to get annoyed with people that are overly silly

[hardy stratus]

Why?

[hazy turret]

No problem

[hardy stratus]

People Can't miss a message in a chat that's super fast?

[grizzled wind]

Luffy makes friends with people who give him food
Then they tell him about what they’ve been through
He then gets mega angry and fights the antagonist
Luffy is TECHNICALLY morally grey, but because of how shonen is, he’s positioned to be good upholder of justice

[leaden rivet]

Mmm nothing

[trim lily]

this chat is going so fast no one will notice

[grizzled wind]

Fish

[hardy stratus]

What did I not notice

[hardy stratus]

I think it's more of Garp understanding he failed Dragon

And understanding anything he would say would just be an excuse to Dragon

[wet condor]

This why I go to bat for Garp a bit and also like him. He's not even really a bad guy. Overall, he's decent. But he's not a perfect moral pillar and people feel like he's obligated to be in particular because he is strong

[hardy stratus]

Which is idk way more powerful than any convo that could happen

[digital spear]

That too

[trim lily]

though you could argue that people with that much strength and influence have some responsibility

[wet condor]

His strength is a big part of it. They wouldn't go as hard on him if he was weaker lol

[stone terrace]

Garp larps as someone who is powerless thats the problem compared to someone irl

Hes anything but

[digital spear]

I feel like people think we as readers should take the Hero of marines literally and think Garp is a morally perfect character but hes obv not supposed to be

[hazy turret]

It’s not because he’s strong necessarily but because he seems to have this code that he flimsily lives by

[urban kiln]

do you think we've gotten the entirety of garp's justification for not defecting after the things hes seen (god valley especially)

[trim lily]

i think so

[obtuse perch]

I don't think you're wrong for being in this camp, but I personally disagree with the idea that we should look at something, recognize it as a parallel for the real world whether it's in a story or not, and then discount the nuances from that same real world context which would naturally filter into the story. Garp isn't really a full person, he's a collection of character traits with a visual attached, so he could never be as deep as an actual military official stuck with a shit leader. But if we can recognize the nuance in what inspired the character why not also count that for that character?

[trim lily]

garp mentions it in the flashback itself

[native seal]

I like this, this is a really interesting interpretation

[leaden rivet]

Yep Garp is by far the most influential marine

If he really wanted to, he could make a change

[cunning narwhal]

idk i feel like most people would like him if they knew him, majority wouldn't if they only knew about him through the news or something

[urban kiln]

dragon is the truth garp is the real fraud

[leaden rivet]

But he didn’t really want to, not that much

[urban kiln]

(I love garp )

[hazy turret]

WTF RED IS BASED?!

[hazy turret]

Well, half based

[digital spear]

Yeah Red is based

[native seal]

the message above is frying me

[wet condor]

They could. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. I'm very much the type of person that believes no one is going to save you. If don't want to be abused, you need to make yourself capable of self-defense.

[urban kiln]

I like both 🙂

[trim lily]

he’s trying to protect the bottom line or something

[native seal]

dragon is the better garp

[hardy stratus]

Where he understands the system is too wide and far broader that he needs to make sure next group of marine he gets are the strong foundation that would be able to bring that into effect

[native seal]

been saying it

[graceful grove]

Garp is the 2nd worst after his buddy Sengoku

[wet condor]

Yeah

[hazy turret]

You know what this means

Luffy is the better dragon

[urban lodge]

Better morally but Garp is a better character

[native seal]

I don't mind the MC being better than dragon

[wet condor]

The only real principle that I see Garp live by is "I do as I please."

[hardy stratus]

I think we have seen enough reasoning/justification of Dragon

[graceful grove]

Luffy is just a criminal

[hardy stratus]

He's already a completely realized character

[leaden rivet]

A bit unfair because dragon has like 10 pages of screentime

[hazy turret]

[wet condor]

He does have some sense of justice but it's "my justice"

[hardy stratus]

I think we would get more of Sengoku soon

[urban lodge]

Yeah lol but he's been getting some good stuff recently

[obtuse perch]

8 of them are tposes

[native seal]

It's his justice "My Justice"

[hardy stratus]

and by soon ~100 chs

[urban kiln]

sengoku says this and then quits after marineford lol what a pussy

[cunning narwhal]

i hope so 😭 also tsuru too

[native seal]

Sengoku's justice is an interesting topic of conversation too "Balanced Justice"

[stone terrace]

Its hilarious that covering up impel down was the straw that broke the camels back

[trim lily]

common sengoku activities

[hardy stratus]

He's leading Sword for sure

[graceful grove]

He should be in lowest level of prison when gov gets overthrown

[digital spear]

We get nothing from Tsuru because Oda is misogynist

[wet condor]

Is that what it's called?

I didn't know that

[buoyant comet]

omg clayo appearance on #also-manga

[digital spear]

Didnt Sengoku quit because hes old

[trim lily]

“give the woman the washing fruit”

[buoyant comet]

can i drop essays here about how evil sengoku is

[digital spear]

What did Oda mean by this...

[obtuse perch]

i wouldn't terribly mind if sengoku took up a prominent governmental role after the final saga. the world needs balance, but sengoku was never allowed to enact that under the WG

[proud loom]

Such a shame too I’d like to see more of her

[leaden rivet]

This reminds of like an sbs where like if the strawhats were woman or some shit

[native seal]

You will have more fun with arguing about garp here

[urban lodge]

Fem Luffy saying she loved salad lol

[digital spear]

Oda was triggering so much with that

[wet condor]

lul

[cunning narwhal]

doesn't she have "clean justice" too like cmon oda

[trim lily]

tsuru’s fruit is genuinely scary though

[digital spear]

Female Luffy: I want to be pirate queen and buy lipgloss

[trim lily]

it removes the “evil” from people but is it whatever she defines to be evil

doesnt she effectively lobotomize people

[buoyant comet]

Sengokus policies are toxic and lead to millions of people suffering because he respected authoritative figures way too much

[native seal]

fem luffy loving salad is misogynistic?

[proud loom]

Wow

[digital spear]

I dont know what she said

[trim lily]

goda

[grizzled wind]

They’re saying the 51 year old Japanese WSJ mangaka is woke
#whatarewedoing

[digital spear]

But that was the idea for most of them

[leaden rivet]

I’ll chip a tooth

Alright Oda

[gloomy light]

Wokeda

[wet condor]

Type of salads fem luffy is eating

[digital spear]

Oh yeah Oda basically says men eat meat women eat salad

[scarlet nacelle]

it could be scary
but we know oda enough to know he will do nothing with it

[native seal]

nah cause I was mad confused cause the topic was about tsuru's fruit being misogynistic then we went to fem luffy

[wet condor]

This is what I'm talking about when people ask me do I like salads

[proud loom]

This reminds me I gotta go cook fuck my life

[trim lily]

not enough ranch on top

[proud loom]

You’d add ranch to this ?

[digital spear]

@native seal I was referring to this

[wet condor]

Most unbased thing I've seen you say Dolf lol

[hot cairn]

we went from Garp moralities discussion to salads

[wet condor]

Honey mustard >>>>>

[grizzled wind]

Branching out due to the common topic of Oda’s bizarre decisions in writing women

[trim lily]

no but it’s what i think of when i hear unhealthy salad

[digital spear]

This was all my doing. Thank me later

[buoyant comet]

bro i thought u only existed on https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1481829617055830178

[hardy stratus]

What's ranch

[proud loom]

True…

[grizzled wind]

Honey mustard is genuinely fire

[obtuse perch]

do you think he will have that same respect for them once we have pirates, marines, potentially civilians, all acting against that government in the end?

[proud loom]

I see

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-smart-so-many-genius-this-server-has-so-many-geniuses-gif-17960640212511392691

[hardy stratus]

Ain't those places where they made slaves work in old Murica

[scarlet nacelle]

dawg we've had whole convesations before

[proud loom]

Some shitty overrated sauce

[digital spear]

Bro he forgot you...

[stone terrace]

I really do hope garps EOS fight is against sengoku

[leaden rivet]

Why?

[hardy stratus]

Ah

[wet condor]

No

[cunning narwhal]

ranch >>> anything that isn't hot sauce

[obtuse perch]

sengoku's an idiot for many of the same reasons garp can be argued to be but i gotta hope they can change. why show them to be good men otherwise

[wet condor]

Where you from Goro?

[trim lily]

(if garp is alive)

[grizzled wind]

Ranch is kinda ass
Just get some garlic mayo and it’s 10x better

[hot cairn]

why? that sounds odd

[hazy turret]

Florida

[wet condor]

That's a great fight

[leaden rivet]

Old Sengoku already kinda changed he’s much less genocidal

[proud loom]

False!

[buoyant comet]

I think he has already abandoned his previous mentality especially with how lax he has been acting

[digital spear]

Garp vs Kong

[scarlet nacelle]

i should disqualify him for this transgression

[native seal]

garps EOS fight is against his old age man

[cunning narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/false-that's-false-true-fake-not-true-gif-7463876790346893009

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/weliton-amogos-arzkeir-monkey-d-kong-one-piece-gif-19129540

[native seal]

I'm more interested in seeing who will save garp

[leaden rivet]

Garp vs Garling

[urban lodge]

Monkey D. Garp vs Donkey D. Kong

[hot cairn]

"much less genocidal" is crazy

[trim lily]

kong vs shiki actually

[hardy stratus]

I was right smh

[proud loom]

Now he’s a sweet old man and everyone will forget everything bad he’s done cuz he’s a sweet old man now

And he’s doing sweet old man things

[cunning narwhal]

shiki deserves to fight someone who can leave their desk

[grizzled wind]

You’re thinking of plantation

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cosby-look-gif-12890044

[wet condor]

You're thinking of a plantation lol

[hardy stratus]

I know plantation

[grizzled wind]

[leaden rivet]

All he needs to do next is love tea and build a tea shop

[digital spear]

Kong is hiding all the babies btw

[hardy stratus]

I remember ranch being mentioned in these cases too

[stone terrace]

Is this iroh slander

[digital spear]

He will free them soon

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t say any names

[proud loom]

And raise his nephew if he’s got one

[rose rune]

oh fuck. now I want tea

[native seal]

W Kong man, first appearance in decades and he's shown sweating

[proud loom]

I gotta defrost some bullshit

[digital spear]

Shanks appearing really activated a switch in Sengoku

[cunning narwhal]

this is the better type of ranch bro you gotta try it

[hardy stratus]

Murican food no thank you

[wet condor]

There were slaves who were used for animal husbandry, yeah. But plantation is the big thing in the U.S., perhaps the Americas more broadly

[leaden rivet]

Goro you better not be British

[digital spear]

40 years ago Kong was a fraud bruh I wanna see present Kong again

[buoyant comet]

Kong is an actual fraud how are you having the highest positions on one piece with literally 0 narative feats

[cunning narwhal]

is it even american? i thought people in europe had it too

[digital spear]

I love how we called him a fraud back to back

[hardy stratus]

Ewww Br*t*sh

[stone terrace]

The guy who chose to lead the navy vs the guy who refused any promotions

[proud loom]

I’ve had ranch sauce rarely I hardly see it in the uk

[buoyant comet]

Great minds think alive 🥹

[native seal]

I want to try nandos

[urban kiln]

it was a bit tastless but he was clearly just playing into the stereotypes that I dont think he believes all women ACTUALLY fall under. Same way he makes the women in the genderbends brutes lol. Again, tasteless, but yeah.

[cunning narwhal]

welp you learn something new every day

[hardy stratus]

Nandos?

[native seal]

it's briish

[digital spear]

Well yeah its not recommended to die while thinking

[buoyant comet]

there are plenty of ranch crisps

[native seal]

man stop calling them crisps

[hardy stratus]

Sak why would you want to try Briish food when you have Nepali delicacies

[proud loom]

Overrated the chickens only good when you add a ton of hot sauce on it and they’re not even that hot

[proud loom]

Really?

[native seal]

mf because I have already tried the delicacies

[hardy stratus]

chicken Sekuwa > nandos

[wet condor]

One of the things I'm not crazy about but I will defend it when non-Americans slander it

[hardy stratus]

or w/e its called

[buoyant comet]

Crisps are literally crispy potatoes like they crumble when u bite them tf u want me to call them soggy potatoes

[hardy stratus]

Idk chips?

[native seal]

I know 100% that I'll ask for the hottest thing on their menu and not feel anything

[stone terrace]

Too many foreigners here im out

[buoyant comet]

thats french fries

[obtuse perch]

hmmmmmmmm

[buoyant comet]

we gotta distinguish

[urban kiln]

no french fries are french fries

[native seal]

don't y'all call french fries chips

[hardy stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-and-mrs-ralphies-asmr-chips-and-dip-potato-chips-snack-late-night-snack-gif-16658473

[proud loom]

You’ll feel a tingle at most at least it makes the chicken taste alright

[proud loom]

Crisps

[hardy stratus]

This is what you call crisps?

[wet condor]

Yuukayers do call them that

[cunning narwhal]

so fish and chips is fish and french fries??

[hardy stratus]

That's chips

[proud loom]

Because it’s crispy

[hardy stratus]

ew

[native seal]

that's exactly what it is

also never understood the appeal

[digital spear]

I feel like those texts got worse with the later ones like Admirals but yeah its probably ragebait

I really love this Robin tho honestly he looks so tuff

[cunning narwhal]

either option is kinda stange in my opinion

[hardy stratus]

They love beans

Just beans

[proud loom]

My uni is by the sea and they do some really nice fish and chips here

[obtuse perch]

ROBIN MENTIONED

[hardy stratus]

Fish and french fries*

[urban kiln]

nah bro us men arent all brutes I hate this /s.

But yeah, its literally just ragebait. Bonney's intro is her eating the same way luffy does

[wet condor]

Based

[grand flower]

That’s exactly the problem I’m talking about with context clues. Evaluating them purely based on what you’ve seen on-sceeen is a faulty process because they’re a developing plot point

That’s why we have exposition like Kuzan’s that fill in gaps until we see more of them. You shouldn’t be evaluating anything in a story without factoring in everything that exists for us to understand them

[buoyant comet]

beans with rice is actually pretty neat

[native seal]

that's acceptable

[hardy stratus]

Musicfactor is british?

[blazing depot]

Not all men 😔

[native seal]

wtf is beans and toast

[proud loom]

She was drinking wine I think she’s surrounded by people from her hometown
They let pretimeskip Bonney drink alcohol

[buoyant comet]

even i hate it tbh

[urban kiln]

alcohol is good for the soul

[wet condor]

Hell no

[hardy stratus]

A sober guy shouldn't say that bro

[digital spear]

Still love this moment

Nico Robuff

[proud loom]

I think whitebeard said that once so I gotta agree

[wet condor]

🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 only flag I fly

[native seal]

that's the dialogue of every sober guy before their first drink of the night

[proud loom]

I don’t mind it tbh I like to have it here and there

[wet condor]

There's actually a few more

[trim lily]

yet he died… curious…

[wet condor]

But they aren't emojis so lol

[buoyant comet]

brits will literally slander foreigners with every single insult on the dictionary just to order out dinner from the local indian restaurant cuz they eat like WW2 is still happening

[scarlet nacelle]

best country in the nation

[hardy stratus]

His soul was healed

he didn't mention the body dolfius

[trim lily]

oh true

[digital spear]

Only his body, his soul is still intact and likes Alcohol

[proud loom]

He drank too much moonshine

[grand flower]

I keep trying to get Yall to understand that I do not care to dispute your opinions, feelings or conclusions. I don’t care too much to discuss WHAT you feel or conclude

I only care to address the WHY. When you lay out the “why’s,” I’m going to engage with the truth values of those explanations . This is something you guys just don’t seem to get

You say “I don’t like apples, theyre spicy” and when someone says “apples arent spicy” you take it as “oh so I HAVE to like apples? I can’t dislike apples?”

[trim lily]

whitebeard’s soul will return

[grand flower]

You can criticize anything in OP

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-moonshine-thirsty-thirst-gif-20018492

[digital spear]

Thanks to Weevil...

[grand flower]

But HOW you criticize it can also just be plain bad

[proud loom]

Mmmm boy do I love moonshine