also-manga

[ashen perch]

Garling is that guy who secretly hopes that his boss dies

[hot cairn]

Sharon wishes that would happen

[ashen perch]

He would NEVER go against his boss, but he'll continue to secretly hope that he dies

[urban lodge]

That would be one piece's death certificate

[brittle basin]

I wouldn't hate it persay as long as we get the necessary lore one way or another. 'Cause Garling has potential despite the GV flashback.

[final trench]

Real

[dark nymph]

Imu probaby gave Garling an ability that surpasses all the other elders after seeing how egghead went

[thin quest]

I am of the opinion that DF users cannot be Domi Reversi'd because their bodies already have a "devil" in them and Imu can't make room for the devil he unleashes using the technique

[distant vine]

If Imu actually died here?

[leaden rivet]

Imu would go down as the lamest villain in history if he died here

[final trench]

Father of all monsters typhon 👀

[hot cairn]

I wouldn’t be a fan tbh

[distant vine]

The Revos are cooked but One Piece isnt finished

[urban lodge]

And Oda the worst author

[ashen perch]

Nusjuro is Zoro's opponent, Garling will never ever be stronger than him.

[brittle basin]

Imu dying here has the potential for a decent subverted expectation, but only if Oda follows through with it by having the fallout be narratively satsifying. @grand flower thoughts? EDIT: i.e. Garling becoming a great villain mastermind and BB becoming the one to shake the world's foundations with his villainy (kraken DF?).

[ashen perch]

It's the rule of One Piece

[distant vine]

BB is good insurance to carry the series, and Imu viceversa if BB got ruined

[hot cairn]

true

[final trench]

Not mad at that

[distant vine]

But it would be a painful blow to mess up one of them

[dark nymph]

ye nusjuro is why I say probably for garling

[iron oriole]

Imu would surely know that though so why even bother

[prisma yacht]

Fk no

[brittle basin]

call him ethan

[hot cairn]

I don’t think imu being defeated here should be even entertained

[prisma yacht]

Garling is surpassing every elder

[sturdy steeple]

That’s if Sanji fights Gatling. And so far that’s just a theory.

[hot cairn]

yea

[ashen perch]

Ethanbaron is his family name smh

[brittle basin]

Garling looks the coolest=upscale

[prisma yacht]

Garling won't be a sh opps eos so it doesn't matter

[brittle basin]

but to an american ethan sounds funnier

[distant vine]

I believe in Shanks vs Garling more now that we see he clearly gives Shanks trauma

[brittle basin]

Fun Fact: Ethan Raynes is a character in Buffy. Goda.

[prisma yacht]

How u put matchups for elders and shs

[hot cairn]

Garling won’t fight a strawhat

[thin quest]

Ethanbaron is a name Imu gave him probably, Nusjuro is probably actually from Wano originally

[ashen perch]

Doesn't matter, Zoro will be stronger than Shanks too

[rose rune]

I only call him ethan

[sturdy steeple]

If I had to choose one opponent for Dragon it would be Garling.

[sturdy steeple]

What that has to do with anything….

[ashen perch]

Oh I thought you meant he'd fight Shanks

[distant vine]

Oda's a little behind on Zoro

[brittle basin]

it's funny every time. it feels so out of place

[prisma yacht]

Watch ethan be dealt with before mihawk

Lmao

[distant vine]

I need him to make Yamato and Loki look like Katakuri

[ashen perch]

Well tbf Zoro is going to be stronger than Dragon too

[grand flower]

It’s one of those things that’s so crazy I wanna say no way

But that makes me think, yo imagine if Oda pulled that off. It would probably be amazing

[sturdy steeple]

Ok I’m a little lost

[urban lodge]

Mihawk will be before but Nusjuro is weaker (without the inevitable omen buff)

[rose rune]

Ethan and Peter, two of the strongest characters in one piece

[thin quest]

well Imu does immediately concede he knew it wouldn't work, so the reason why they can't be must either be tied to DF or some other reason yet to be revealed

[dark nymph]

he really is but at least hes mastering acoc in elbaph

[distant vine]

Ok

What if he fakeout it

[violet basin]

could go either way imo, i'd be cool to beat mihawk first and have zoro swing his weight as greatest swordsman for a bit before eos. On the other hand, beating ethan first makes mihawk look even better

[distant vine]

Imu dies TO US and the world of OP

But Oda brings him back later

[sturdy steeple]

You said that Garling has to be weaker than Ethan because of Zoro. But that’s only if Sanji fights the guy then, no?

[ashen perch]

I can sooner see Luffy die here than Imu

[hot cairn]

lame

[ashen perch]

That's how impossible it is

[grand flower]

I feel like it would work if Oda gives us an Imu backstory showing how he started as a good person then became irredeemably evil

I feel like it’d make sense for Garling to be instrumental in it happening too because Imus decision to kill Saturn and replace him with Garling always seemed very rash and impetuous to me, like a child lashing out

It’d make a lot of sense if Garling’s promotion was like, the first domino to full in Imu’s undoing

[dark nymph]

Luffy dies and Usopp travels back in time

[urban lodge]

Some things are just bad no matter what, no author could make them work

[prisma yacht]

The way I see it, ain't no imus son is going away before pawns

Garling will be the strongest elder

[thick maple]

Cute pfp penny

[urban lodge]

Thanks

[distant vine]

If he could set it up in a way thats predictable it could be good but it would take such masterful writing that this is all just a thought exercise anyway

[iron oriole]

Its probably because of what DFs they are tbh, they can't be tamed

[prisma yacht]

Doesn't matter how much stronger zoro gets by the end of the series Arsal

[grand flower]

I wouldn’t be mad at it. I feel like Imu can also be kinda like Whitebeard where he dies in his first showcase, but we get showcases and displays from him via flashbacks

Just on a much bigger scale since it’s Imu

[thin quest]

could specifically be Zoan fruits maybe

[ashen perch]

no I mean that's just how it usually is with Zoro, he's gonna fight #2 so Nusjuro will be #2.

[hot cairn]

I think Imu dying here is bad no matter how the execution looks like

[prisma yacht]

The matchup point cuts away once we get to see garling not fighting shs

[grand flower]

@ashen perch @stone tulip @hot cairn oh yeah I’m fully convinced a black hagoromo means Imu used Omen to forcibly awaken your fruit

[prisma yacht]

Cool

[hot cairn]

what’s a hagoromo?

[ashen perch]

More likely than Luffy going back in time and becoming Joyboy tbh

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-unsure-i'm-out-13-seconds-i'm-in-13-seconds-confused-maybe-maybe-not-gif-14185473161479751592

[grand flower]

I think Imu possessed Gunko, or an Elder, and used Omen to forcibly awaken Kaku and Lucci as part of their promotion to CP0

[prisma yacht]

His hagoromo is fucking awesome

[final trench]

Besides the gorosei i think the black scarf is for regular zoans

[thin quest]

are you implying that Lucci and Kaku met and know about Imu?

[grand flower]

The awakening clouds

[prisma yacht]

The cloud type thingy around neck

[final trench]

Like non legendary/mythical zoans

[brittle basin]

Ah, speaking of a "child lashing" out, I've used that to describe Imu numerous times. However, I can't tell if it's a byproduct of living for 800 years in totalitarian power, or if the Void Century will reveal it's a negative trait of his personality that led him to power.

[grand flower]

No, I think imu possessed an elder or Gunko to do it

[hot cairn]

ah I see

[urban lodge]

Honestly I think it's 100% aesthetic and Oda just goes with what fits that specific character best

[distant vine]

Keep Kaku away from fraudulence like that

[hot cairn]

LOL

[final trench]

Bro WHERE is awakened jabra

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-jabra-cp0-gif-15331715461528376992

[thin quest]

in Jabra's dreams

[ashen perch]

I do think he's going to be the unstoppable unkillable force that WB was despite being weakened but that's for the Final War

[final trench]

He was supposed to be luccis rival🫩💔

[grand flower]

So, you know how I think Blackbeard will steal Imus power right? I feel like that childishness and impetuousness contrasts so much with Teach being patient and willing to forget grudges at the drop of a hat because Imu possessing those childish traits are why he didn’t survive awakening his fruit

I think Imus original personality was absorbed by his zoan’s awakening because he was such a rash, quick-tempered person

To your question, yeah I think that’s a natural aspect of imu

And it’s only gotten worse with time

[dark nymph]

awakened jabra would be a decent franky opponent

[grand flower]

Similar traits to Luffy actually

Luffy is also rash and quick tempered and spiteful

[sturdy steeple]

Uhhhh, I think that only applies to the SHs though. I don’t think there’s a general rule to that if someone else fights Garling.

[ashen perch]

Well, I always thought that the hagoromo was meant to be representative of the nature of the fruit but this is possible. Maybe Loki being awakened would give us an idea... I don't expect him to have a white hagoromo for example

[grand flower]

It’d make sense for him

Imu is one of the strongest DF users, possibly

[cold steppe]

I bet Zoro's opponent in the war is momonga

[ashen perch]

There's some references to Imu with WB too, funnily enough

His crew has 1616 members

[grand flower]

He’s 666 cm

They called him a white devil too

[ashen perch]

He received 267 sword wounds, which is Nerona

[dark nymph]

va's in 2026 💔

[hot cairn]

Big Mom was the number 2 in Wano and Zoro didnt fight her

[ashen perch]

And the sickness ofc

[iron oriole]

I used to think that the black clouds were for "Predator" based Zoans but Kaku throws a wrench in

[grand flower]

The way you think is so sexy

[ashen perch]

Thank you

[grand flower]

Imu’s weapon also looks like a Nagitana too

[sturdy steeple]

Arsal will probably tell you that she wasn’t part of the Kaido’s crew.

[ashen perch]

Yeah I was gonna get to that too

[ashen perch]

I will tell you that she wasn’t part of the Kaido’s crew.

[hot cairn]

and?

[ashen perch]

Sorry

[sturdy steeple]

Although that was first confirmation that Zoro doesn’t always fight the second strongest in the arc specifically.

So one rule broken.

[final trench]

Damn i forgot franky oneshotted a VA

[ashen perch]

Zoro did fight Kaido's #2

[final trench]

💔💔🫩

[urban lodge]

Wano was written by Oda's evil twin

But he's back now

[hot cairn]

Wano was peak tho

[iron oriole]

Zoro also technically fought Kaido & BM so

[final trench]

And egghead wasnt?

[urban lodge]

Nope

[trim lily]

it’s a jekyll and hyde situation

[final trench]

Wait

[dark nymph]

Oda's evil twin only existed in the last few chaps of wano

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/marines-doberman-doberman-one-piece-vice-admiral-scars-gif-18244607573433880957

Awakened doberman

https://tenor.com/view/deno-doberman-bruh-doberman-doberman-bruh-דנו-gif-12138854913971415453

[rose rune]

Ado

[ashen perch]

@grand flower one thing I have been thinking about again, is the lurking legend statement

I know it absolutely is referring to Rocks Pirates

But maybe Oda was being clever

[grand flower]

I see where you’re going with this

[ashen perch]

And it also meant Imu

[grand flower]

Related to WB

[ashen perch]

Yeahh

[grand flower]

“Yeah I used a bunch of the same motifs for both”

[dark nymph]

coolest thing this mf did was cry in film z

[final trench]

Barbell

[ashen perch]

Exactly, he fits so well in the "greatest enemy ever" part of the statement too

[grand flower]

I wonder if WB losing the left side of his face and Imus left eye being covered is part of the left horn stuff @ashen perch

[final trench]

🤫

[ashen perch]

And Oda weirdly enough, transitions to hyping up the final war

[final trench]

Chill bro

[ashen perch]

In the next paragraph

[sturdy steeple]

And technically he did not fight Doffy’s #2, we can go on

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/doberman-doberman-one-piece-one-piece-marines-vice-admiral-gif-14406770354023886337

[hot cairn]

so Imu final villain confirmed?

[ashen perch]

Well he was the #2 in strength that was present smh

[trim lily]

i wonder if it’s a plus or a minus on oda’s part that no one can still agree who the hell he was referring to with the lurking legend

like 4 years later lmao

[hot cairn]

LOL

[iron oriole]

It was Tama

[sturdy steeple]

“Akshually that was Sugar” (c) someone from the chat

[ashen perch]

Vergo wasn't a thing in Dressrosa, it doesn't count

[keen falcon]

When will they open the spoiler channel? I see one that sounds plausible so far 👀

[grand flower]

That was Dofy

#1 was Fujitora

Got em

[sturdy steeple]

Hey, now you’re saying it doesn’t count

[ashen perch]

I mean from his crew 😭

[sturdy steeple]

We can go on forever, exactly

[trim lily]

that’d be surprising given its golden week

[grand flower]

#2 was Sugar

[ashen perch]

Yeah lets talk about Ryuma

[grand flower]

Pica could have died any day

[ashen perch]

He's not even part of Moria's crew

[keen falcon]

WSJ breaks are not Oda breaks and often have leaks ime

[ashen perch]

Directly

[dark nymph]

Ryumor

[sturdy steeple]

I KNEW SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT

[ashen perch]

Sugar is important ofc, but this was about Garling v Nusjuro

[grand flower]

Oda: okay Sanjis opponent is gonna be the #2 this time lets make him a sex offender

Gee thanks Oda

[rose rune]

You're my butterfly, sugar, baby

[hot cairn]

I’m glad absalom is dead

[ashen perch]

Kuroobi is also actually stronger than Hachan

[grand flower]

Same

[dark nymph]

Kill road next please oda I BEG

[final trench]

True

[ashen perch]

That's why I said usually smh

[final trench]

Imu just skewers him apart

[hot cairn]

smh Arsal now youre trying to retract yourself

[ashen perch]

Nah I said usually from the start I'm pretty sure...

[rose rune]

https://open.spotify.com/track/36ky6gRpwkcdJUrF2MUpOv?si=itT2NzRhTtmzBytNBkVrmQ

[sturdy steeple]

Welp, he was #2 in position, not exactly in strength.

Maybe…

[grand flower]

Oda writing Abasalom

[prisma yacht]

Thigh was so embarrassed he had to drop the reference link

[rose rune]

I was sad

[scenic dirge]

The double click auto react feature is literally the dumbest thing discord have ever added

[rose rune]

Agreed

[grand flower]

Mine is omega lil

I was worried it’d be sumn embarrassing

[hot cairn]

mine is the Shakky true

so I don’t mind

[urban lodge]

At least you can disable it now, you couldn't when it was first released

[prisma yacht]

I have set mine auto react to gigglehearts

[rose rune]

Mine is pointing up

[prisma yacht]

Which is from a different server and since I don't have nitro it doesn't do anything

[sturdy steeple]

Oh mine is omegalul

[prisma yacht]

[urban lodge]

I'm clumsy so this feature just fucking sucks for me

[ashen perch]

Kaku, Mr.1, Ohm, Hyouzou and King are the clearest cases of Zoro fighting the #2
Ryuma was obviously stronger than Absalom so he should count
Pica was the only #2 that was present so he too ofc counts

Thus, usually...

[prisma yacht]

This feature doesn't let u lurk in peace smh

[ashen perch]

Sommers>Qilingham is why Sanji fought Qilingham btw

[prisma yacht]

Bro

[trim lily]

i dont know why my auto react goes to , i don’t even use it that much

[prisma yacht]

Stop

😭

[rose rune]

Yeah. I'm constantly fat fingering

[sturdy steeple]

Man that sucks I don’t want to accidentally autoclick omegalul with the person I don’t find funny….

[ashen perch]

Its true

[tidal ice]

you can disable it

[hot cairn]

oh?

[rose rune]

But all those omegaluls you sent me....

[prisma yacht]

What's sommers gonna do when killy pulls out infinite omega sized nightmares

[sturdy steeple]

That is possible but

[ashen perch]

Oh its g5laugh for me

[sturdy steeple]

I think these guys are more or less on the same level

[iron oriole]

I disabled that autoreact shit straight away

[hot cairn]

I think the same

[ashen perch]

Sommers still stronger

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-cats-gif-2693509101423175460

[sturdy steeple]

And I also think you shouldn’t speak on it now. Sommers might still end up fighting Sanji, lol

[rose rune]

I should probably head to settings and do the same

[iron oriole]

Can we really say they "fought" though

[ashen perch]

Kaku's powerlevel was only 20 doriki higher than Jabra

[trim lily]

we should bring back doriki for the final war

[ashen perch]

Well they might fight properly soon

[prisma yacht]

Jabra was lucci's rival

😎

[rose rune]

Nice. Now the double tap shit is gone

[ashen perch]

Jabra was passed by Kaku and Lucci in Enies Lobby already

[dark nymph]

nah killingham was salty after what Sanji did to him, its 99% likely its gonna be those two

[ashen perch]

There's a whole gag about it lol

[trim lily]

killingham’s freak weapon has 3 blades thus he will fight zoro

shrimple as

[sturdy steeple]

Being salty doesn’t necessarily mean they will fight. Just like Kid was salty about Kaido and still ended up fighting BM.

[ashen perch]

Although, Sanji might not be fighting anything anytime soon

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cp9-enies-lobby-cipher-pol-cp0-world-government-gif-17056177655721565240

Lol

[sturdy steeple]

And they were equals because 20 doriki is nothing

[thin quest]

Zoro and Sanji are equals, tired of people not understanding the narrative

[prisma yacht]

Arsal was right

[ashen perch]

Well practically equals keep

[graceful grove]

Sanji need more assist from his dad

[ashen perch]

Sanji will awaken to something more at some point, de about it

[iron oriole]

Always said the same... they're the Pirate Kings wings, you can't really have uneven wings

[hot cairn]

I wonder if Killingham will fight Sanji now

[sturdy steeple]

I will honestly be sad if Sanji ends up fighting Killy instead of Sommers. Sommers fits Sanji like a glove thematically.

[graceful grove]

It wont be conq though

[ashen perch]

No matter what Zoro does, he will only be stronger than Sanji by like 20 doriki

[rose rune]

Yes. And gerd will fight sommers

[hot cairn]

he does really, but Oda kinda set up Sanji vs Killingham

[prisma yacht]

Jesus have you seen my bingo list

[thin quest]

Sanji unlocking CoC is gonna hit like crack

[sturdy steeple]

Yes and no.

[pallid niche]

lowkey wish Robin would fight & destroy Sommers

[sturdy steeple]

In the same way Sanji vs King did not happen lol

[ashen perch]

Sanji will get CoC, he'll get another Jambe and he'll get a secret 3rd thing that people aren't ready to hear about

[pallid niche]

too bad Oda wouldn't make that happen

[graceful grove]

Any day now

[hot cairn]

oh you have a bingo list? No I haven’t

[prisma yacht]

I made one just a few days ago

[thin quest]

Sanji will also unlock observation killer as well

[hot cairn]

I wouldn’t call that the same thing

[hot cairn]

whats the secret third thing?

[ashen perch]

Unfortunately not strong enough but it'd be cool if we got team battles against the HKs here and she contrubuted to it

[sturdy steeple]

Semantics

[iron oriole]

I think that was bait tbh, i'm all for Sanji vs Sommers, i think Sanji, Bonney etc are retreating to the 3000yo lab building robot thingy where they'll find Sommers

[prisma yacht]

Not sure about destroying sommers but a fight can happen between them

[ashen perch]

Nobody's ready to hear about it yet.

[dark nymph]

better not be PoL

[iron oriole]

Sanji's Conq will be PoL

[trim lily]

power of love clears acoc any day

[hot cairn]

noice

[prisma yacht]

What do you think the chances of them to happen

[hot cairn]

I would love Sanji vs Sommers, it seems like a perfect match up lol

[hot cairn]

bruh

[hot cairn]

some have more chances than others but it’s solid ngl

[prisma yacht]

After finishing my list I realised I have contradicted myself in the way I wanted the story to flow on

Thanks

[dark nymph]

Sanji is a bad matchup for Summers so maybe

[ashen perch]

It could be PoL yeah, I haven't figured it out yet fully tbh

[iron oriole]

Especially if the steel heart thing ends up being a Sommers only gimmick though idk about that

Sanji gonna burn hot enough to melt Sommers' steel heart

[prisma yacht]

The brooks backstory and 1185's ancient kingdom name reveal

[latent hamlet]

Flames of Love vs the Cold Steel Heart

[drifting rock]

guys anyone know where to read unoffical scans now cuz of the announcements???

[ashen perch]

Sanji v Sommers puts Sommers at too much of a disadvantage

[dark nymph]

yep

[rose brook]

No ink fruit reveal? Are you not a true believer

[trim lily]

weebcentral, tcb’s site

[latent hamlet]

Sommers: behold this woman hostage!

[iron oriole]

Maybe not with the Omen boost

[prisma yacht]

These contradict the flow of the storyline

[drifting rock]

what is tcb??

[ashen perch]

It's not going to make his thorns less flammable lol

[dark nymph]

Sanjis fire will burn those fuckass plants

[ashen perch]

Er

Flammable

[hot cairn]

I don’t think it’s a Sommers gimmick only ngl

[trim lily]

they’re the main ones doing the english scanlations/unofficial releases

[iron oriole]

Sure but he's still gonna be physically stronger than before

[hot cairn]

wdym

[drifting rock]

ohh is there like a full form tho???

[ashen perch]

Physically stronger isn't enough really

[trim lily]

there is but no one ever refers to it

it’s like the comic brigade or something lol

[prisma yacht]

I fw it but it's not like I really want it to happen
Anyway the reveal of his df isn't happening in the next 5 chapters

My bingo is just for 1182 to 1186

[iron oriole]

It is when you have regen on top of it

[ashen perch]

Those thorns could block Zoro's attacks but they can't block Sanjis, that's just a silly matchup

[drifting rock]

oh ok tysmm

[sturdy steeple]

It’s funny that Sanji has a counterpart that has all of three advanced type of hakis. One day we’ll stop calling him a genetics merchant or whatever silly names he’s given to.

[ashen perch]

The Cupboard

[dark nymph]

It would be cool if they realize that and Sanji goes after Summers while Zoro stops Killingham

[iron oriole]

Sommers has left the western village too, leaving Zoro there

[hot cairn]

that sounds cool

[iron oriole]

I can't see Zoro finding him

[rose brook]

Fair enough; your predictions do seem plausible.

[prisma yacht]

Thanks

[ashen perch]

Sanji v Qilingham is also foreshadowed by Legoland

[sturdy steeple]

That’s a GAG

[ashen perch]

So its just over for Sommers v Sanji

[pallid niche]

wait what ink fruit reveal? we already got Imu's fruit revealed though

[prisma yacht]

Can be used for foreshadowing no

[sturdy steeple]

But that’s not a foreshadowing, come on now lol

[ashen perch]

Legoland as a whole is filled with gags

[ashen perch]

Not ready for Sanji's men filled nightmares^^

[ruby moat]

You dare doubt goda?

[sturdy steeple]

Did you just see the word “dream” and went “yep that’s a foreshadowing”

[trim lily]

it’s that shrimple

[prisma yacht]

it’s that shrimple

[hoary steppe]

What

[iron oriole]

The closest foreshadowing i'll give you for Sanji vs Killingham is the fact he said he'll remember his name

But idt thats enough

[hot cairn]

LOL

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/megaranger-shrimple-denji-sentai-megaranger-shrimp-not-shrimple-gif-1024033337067063880

[prisma yacht]

The reveal was so vague

Power : devil's fruit

We definitely don't know shit about his powers

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji is lying too btw smh

[pallid niche]

i agree, but we do know the name of his fruit and it isn't ink ink

[prisma yacht]

Names...yes..

They always remain the same

[urban lodge]

Isn't ink fruit Kanjuro's?

[hoary steppe]

Yes

[hot cairn]

why are they beat up in real life

[iron oriole]

Brush Brush

[urban lodge]

Ah

[sturdy steeple]

They beat up each other

Or maybe Nami beat them up

[graceful grove]

Zoro seeks Choppers approval

[hardy stratus]

ZKK hype

[hot cairn]

remember ZKK

[hardy stratus]

Blackbeard recruits Kaido and BM

and then Zoro kills Kaido

[graceful grove]

They meant Kanjuro

[stray prism]

Chapter when

[thin quest]

Zoro is so obviously gay

wonder if he even knows

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/lab-labe-zolu-zoroxluffy-one-piece-gif-18008154

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t think Zoro is gay. He just doesn’t have a romantic interest in women but is okay with being around men.

Wait…….

[rose rune]

Man. I'm eating my third dinner today. Wth

[dense haven]

fat ass

[rose rune]

I wish

[dense haven]

are you pregnant?

[rose rune]

Maybe

When I was sick two weeks ago I lost 5kg, so I'm probably trying to gain it back

[thin quest]

5kg!?

[sturdy steeple]

What are you even eating

Meatballs, herring?

[royal orchid]

I lost 4kg when I put on braces

shit's crazy

[dense haven]

why

[rose rune]

First I ate some protein pasta dish, then a pizza baguette, and now I'm eating nachos

[grand flower]

Mmmm

Nachos

[royal orchid]

wait not when I put braces it was when I got my wisdom teeth taken out

didn't eat properly for weeks

[dense haven]

that makes more sense

[ashen perch]

It actually is that simple

[rose rune]

I'm skinny, so it's quite crazy

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/indian-guy-funny-indian-guy--k01KQD5GCFQ2HGT7A8B5H52A8FV

[hardy stratus]

@urban kiln

[ashen perch]

Kaido is dead

(probably)

[rose rune]

Long live kaido

[hardy stratus]

No

[ashen perch]

Lately I've actually been less confident about Kaido being actually dead

You just never know with Oda

[urban kiln]

this is stupid 😭

[hardy stratus]

See i know we were in same wavelength

[royal orchid]

Kaido's soul got placed on the lava and now kaido's a lava homie

[urban kiln]

even if kaido aint dead thats so silly

[ashen perch]

Maybe he does want Kaido to see the greatest war ever...

[hardy stratus]

It will happen

Arsal thinks so too

[ashen perch]

I thought the irony would be that Kaido never actually gets to see that war but you can't say that for sure

[urban kiln]

Sanji Kills Luffy

[rose rune]

"How about fighting side by side with a friend"
Luffy looks around and notices kaido

[ashen perch]

I didn't say I believe in Zoro v Kaido though smh

[hardy stratus]

That would be good too

[ashen perch]

If Kaido does come back, there's actually a way better matchup

[urban kiln]

Kaido being alive take is reasonable. Him getting killed by Zoro aint

[hardy stratus]

Better too

[brittle basin]

ZKK can still happen

[ashen perch]

This might sound more unreasonable than Zoro actually

[hardy stratus]

Maybe he would have another conclusion arsal

[prisma yacht]

Zkk is happening

[ashen perch]

But there's Prime Momo...

[brittle basin]

Act 4 soon

[frigid gulch]

Skelekaido

[royal orchid]

ZKZK Zoro kills zombie kaido

[brittle basin]

"prime" momo

[frigid gulch]

[hardy stratus]

Kozuki moria

[ashen perch]

Prime Momo.

[hardy stratus]

[royal orchid]

ZKSK Zoro kills shadow kaido (moria comeback)

[brittle basin]

Give him a few years plz

[prisma yacht]

Zoro becomes king of the hell - goes underground - finds kaido - kills him

[ashen perch]

Months.

[brittle basin]

let's not give him a tama upgrade so soon

[dark nymph]

Did Kaido get what he wanted in terms of his death

[hardy stratus]

So real

[urban kiln]

if Kaido comes back I dont think hed be an adversary to Luffy. I dont necessarily think hed join Luffy, but I also dont think hed be an adversary.

[rose rune]

The fact that momo skipped years of his life including training is insane

[brittle basin]

Kaido and Big Mom cover story adventures is the only thing I'm accepting. anything else and they can stay dead

buddy cop adventure

[hardy stratus]

Luffy'S antag come & become zoro'S

[urban kiln]

Kaido would be satisfied with his loss, Big Mom wouldnt be. Big Mom remaining adversarial makes sense, but Kaido's ideals have fully been defeated.

[ashen perch]

Its insane that he just magically gained a physically invincible body when he grew lol

[hardy stratus]

That is truee too

[brittle basin]

big mom said "don't think this is enough to stop me" and hopefully oda was lying

[ashen perch]

Oda never lies unless Shuiesha forces him to

[hardy stratus]

I haven’t given any thought to it yet

Just came up with that 5 min ago

[urban kiln]

big mom haters just hate one piece...

[hardy stratus]

[frigid gulch]

Just copium from a sore loser

[hardy stratus]

Would have ti think but i can see a zkk

[frigid gulch]

[brittle basin]

I love big mom more than you could ever know. but please enjoy the grave linlin

[royal orchid]

implies don krieg returns in lodestar

[ashen perch]

I mean he already returned

[urban kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-laugh-big-mom-charlotte-linlin-mamamama-yonko-gif-15743547

[royal orchid]

a cameo

[ashen perch]

The SHs are going to meet Gin and Krieg when they go to Hachinosu

Its going to be more than a cameo

[hardy stratus]

We WILL get gin vs Sanji

[brittle basin]

btw bm is the strongest yonko, oda just nerfs her by not making her hungry in wano. this is my cope

[hardy stratus]

For sure

[ashen perch]

Sanji WILL oneshot Gin when they meet again

[brittle basin]

i suddenly love the hachinosu arc

[royal orchid]

!ptoo

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/443549957723521025/ptoo.png

[hardy stratus]

It will be coby vs luffy post el

[ashen perch]

My Hachinosu arc idea has always included that smh, keep up

[blazing depot]

Hawk

Tuah

[brittle basin]

OP loops back around the endgame is just East Blue 2.0

[ashen perch]

Exactly Goro

[urban kiln]

she wasnt really nerfed. She got defeated by displacement rather than being overpowered. Defeat by technicality not by knockout

[ashen perch]

I actually think Kuro might be in Hachinosu too

[grand flower]

Kings Haki

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-blackbeard-aokiji-blackbeard-laugh-brapamura-gif-4020394925250944315

[brittle basin]

is the technicality the lava?

[hardy stratus]

I dont see him with such ambition

[grand flower]

Makes sense since his name is dark

[brittle basin]

OK, yeah, East Blue 2.0 it is

[ashen perch]

I think BB is going to really develop it into a pirate's paradise, and gather up all of the world's pirates in one place

[hardy stratus]

Krieg and Gin but not kuro

[urban kiln]

a combination of lava and the convenience of the bombs under onigashima falling with her into the lava lol

[brittle basin]

Kuro's second plan in Hachinosu

[royal orchid]

beware of kuro

[ashen perch]

True

[grand flower]

Inverse to luffys dream, who wants his crew to span over the whole world

[brittle basin]

holy shit I don't remember the bombs. wait wait wait, I thought Yamato and/or Raizo stopped that

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[brittle basin]

no Raizo stopped the flames

[hardy stratus]

[grand flower]

Blackbeard wants it all to himself in his little box

[urban kiln]

Kuro's goal was to quit being a pirate. Hes the only east blue villain with a 0% chance of returning. He was sick of piracy, theres no chance that mf had the ambition to reach Hachinosu.

[leaden rivet]

I can’t breathe

[grand flower]

Luffy wants to share what he’s about wirh eberyone

[hardy stratus]

Exactly

[brittle basin]

Kuro changed his mind after two years /s

[royal orchid]

vice admiral kuro

[brittle basin]

Kuro conq

conq claws

[ashen perch]

The idea was that his defeat to Luffy would have changed his mind basically

[prisma yacht]

@urban lodge

[grand flower]

Why did Oda choose for a dream to be the vehicle for the joke

Gags can foreshadow

Yall don’t think hard enough

Jimmy neutron don’t have Brian ballast like this!

[urban lodge]

I haven't voted yet

[hardy stratus]

I wanna see him be so defeated he becomes a low wage civil servant

[urban lodge]

Gimme 5 minutes

[urban kiln]

there was no indication of that so its a bit silly. Its not like Gin where Gin's goal was explicitly stated to be returning to the grand line. Or Buggy/Alvida doing the same

[ashen perch]

All of the insults from Luffy cut deep, and he regained some level of ambitions as a result of it

[prisma yacht]

[brittle basin]

why do you need 5 minutes

penny bout to vote until they get gold lmfao

[royal orchid]

tsk tsk

[urban lodge]

I'm not a cheater smh

[urban kiln]

not every character needs to return and I think its actually a lot less jarring if Kuro DOESNT return. Captain Morgan has a higher chance

[grand flower]

A gag is actually a great vehicle for for foreshadowing because most fans will move on but it lingers in the back of your mind

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[prisma yacht]

And the scammer gets scammed

[brittle basin]

oh god why did you have to mention Capt Morgan to Arsal of all people.....you might've missed the past few days' discussion

[hardy stratus]

Lmaooo

[prisma yacht]

Red we are also running kuro for holy knight

[hardy stratus]

Tldr nerona morgan red

[urban kiln]

sometimes I hate the OP fandom..

[brittle basin]

Red, Morgan foreshadows Imu!!!!

[urban kiln]

fanfic instead of reason...

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-morgan-morgan-one-piece-marine-marines-gif-8958618513757802438

[prisma yacht]

This one actually is nice

[trim lily]

i always knew captain morgan would be relevant again

[hot cairn]

maybe you just hate Arsal

[royal orchid]

Morgan Freeman for president of Malaysia ass message

[urban lodge]

Bro I SWEAR I'm not cheating 😭

[brittle basin]

i am not buying morgans unless it's the liquor

[brittle basin]

holy bot

[cold steppe]

All of those who got a cover story will probably return

[hardy stratus]

Dont we all

[urban kiln]

Im gonna go empty my bowels before work, goodbye all enjoy the morgan talk

[prisma yacht]

Bro

[trim lily]

the chosen one

[prisma yacht]

Botting

[ashen perch]

fwiw, Kuro gets an appearance after his defeat in Syrup Village where he has resumed the captaincy of his crew and this is a scene kept in by the OPLA too. Its possible that Oda asked them to...

[hardy stratus]

He snitched on this server

[hot cairn]

[hardy stratus]

So we hate him fr

[prisma yacht]

This can't be fr

[ashen perch]

I am also pretty sure we see his bounty poster in the new world during Stampede

[urban lodge]

I only took 2 minutes btw

[prisma yacht]

So u did bot it

[hardy stratus]

stampede

Wtf arsal

[royal orchid]

top 10 people who believe in Penny go

[trim lily]

everyone was in stampede

[urban lodge]

You don't have to believe in me

[hardy stratus]

Yea lol

[urban lodge]

I believe in me

[trim lily]

i think i’m at a nice #4

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-side-eye-squint-suspicious-gif-3917824356590302780

[fallen meteor]

oh nice

[ashen perch]

well Oda supervises the movies smh

[fallen meteor]

in 3 days they will release the York #1 files

[prisma yacht]

Yay

[trim lily]

is this the midterms everyone has been talking about

[fallen meteor]

yes

[brittle basin]

My only golds so far are WB, Vivi, and Baron Tamago. So, 3 golds out of 58 days of individual votes.

[fallen meteor]

everybody is studying to this stream

[royal orchid]

every time you go on the website it mentions these midterms

[trim lily]

i’m looking forward to carrot top 10

oda is going to be infuriated in the stream

[urban lodge]

Uta top 10

[leaden rivet]

Uta isn’t real

[ashen perch]

I do have a reason though smh

[hardy stratus]

Non weekly readers aren’t even disappointed by rhis fr

[ashen perch]

I think Hachinosu is going to be a hub of piracy, and BB is going to try to create a true kingdom for pirates from all over the world

[trim lily]

perhaps even top 5

uta nation

[ashen perch]

a literal KING of the Pirates

[brittle basin]

he's too busy pooping to reply

[ashen perch]

thats what BB wants to achieve with his Blackbeard Kingdom idea

he can see it post poopskip

[brittle basin]

Post Poopskip

OP has infected you so badly

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeards kingdom is just a short term goal isn’t it

I was wondering why he was so serious about it

[sturdy steeple]

Holy

[leaden rivet]

Since he has much bigger ambitions

[ashen perch]

^^^ also keep

[leaden rivet]

moly

[ashen perch]

Shuron is right, Oda loves his gag based foreshadowing

[frigid gulch]

Probably a medium for his bigger goal yea

[ashen perch]

Zoro's CoC was foreshadowed via gags, Sanji's CoC is foreshadowed via a gag

[past flax]

hello hard thinkers

[royal orchid]

Luffy slamming into Smoker and then him slamming into Ace

[hardy stratus]

Nami acoc incoming

YOOOO LUCI

[royal orchid]

is an actual explained event

[sturdy steeple]

Because they thought they were dreaming? 💙

[past flax]

yoooooo

[hardy stratus]

dis you see rhe cover story

[brittle basin]

Duval is the one i remember

[ashen perch]

its no coincidence that in Legoland, a section filled with things that can be viewed as foreshadowing retroactively, this line is dropped

[hardy stratus]

Kozuki moria

[prisma yacht]

Arsal

[brittle basin]

What is the Legoland foreshadow?

[past flax]

hence my name i was finally validated after my shame during wano arc

[wraith mantle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/robin-robin-one-piece-2--k01KQD6MX4TT12AFZVXP9NPE2AC

[prisma yacht]

Shs will get shat on

[hardy stratus]

Let’s goooo

[ashen perch]

Oda's so clever with that gag pre ts, its actually unbelievable

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/aywakutakuay/status/2049540527805059533/photo/1

waker (@aywakutakuay)

The loving side of King Von

X · Apr 29, 2026, 5:25 PM

[brittle basin]

Duval is forever a 10/10 reveal

[hardy stratus]

Huh i dont folloq

[brittle basin]

i love this

[grand flower]

Even that as an inclusion is a deliberate choice by Oda. It’s not out of the question it’s foreshadowing

[prisma yacht]

This is so cool

[hardy stratus]

King von?

[ashen perch]

Sanji's face gets cleverly hidden from the bounty posters so Germa doesnt recognize him
Duval mentions that he was hunted down for his face, Reiju confirms both of these facts.
the Iron Mask resembles the mask that Judge forces Sanji to wear as a child

its so crazy

that with this one gag, Oda sets up so much

[runic dock]

Dead rapper that killed some people

[brittle basin]

a confused butterfly lol. it doesn't have a single thought in its.....do these things have brains?

[hardy stratus]

Ah

I am even morw confused earl

Why rhat caption

[past flax]

one i reallty love is the nika dance foreshadow with the party in Skypeia though which is why peeps need to not skip

[runic dock]

Some part of the community likes to call imu king Von for whatever reason

Parallels and such

Idk

[dense haven]

imu is a butterfly

blobmu is his cocoon

[prisma yacht]

imu is being cunty

[past flax]

bro just spoiled the ending

[brittle basin]

I think the skypeia dance is a foreshadow only in retrospect, i'm not one to believe it was 100% planned

[wraith mantle]

wait so is it true there is an extra break after this?

[prisma yacht]

No

[ashen perch]

worstgen was misinformed

[wraith mantle]

as always

[runic dock]

All the earth god and sun god stuff, half of which is yet to be proven, I think is coincidental too

Retrospective foreshadow

[past flax]

knowing oda in some way it was his way of doing something irrlevant only for it to come back and hit us later with much more meaning needs to be studied

[brittle basin]

these were gods in skypeia correct?

[ashen perch]

the coincidences pile up too much

[sturdy steeple]

Oda can actively turn things into foreshadowing by going back into the story, lol.

[runic dock]

They mentioned it in prayer or something one time off hand, also the giant snake was one of the gods

[brittle basin]

I think Oda is just very, very good at leaving threads either open/intentionally unanswered and unexplained so he can do what he wants with them later. Which is smart in its own right.

[runic dock]

Yeah , whether he planned to initially or not , he’s good at finding previous points to plug in with relevancy

[brittle basin]

I bet he even has a list of things he can reach back into if he wants

[ashen perch]

Oda couldnt make it any more obvious that Enel and his system of government is a parallel to the Celestial Dragons and the WG. Usopp literally tells Gunko that shes talking like Enel this arc to really hammer it down for you

[ashen perch]

this doesnt track with Oda's own statements

[brittle basin]

I mean then Oda is just a genius, and I'm not going to give him that much credit.

[ashen perch]

Oda works his way backwards from the final saga, he doesnt build up to the end

[brittle basin]

He is very good at what he does, but I'm not gonna assume it's all planned

[ashen perch]

the final saga came before anything else

[runic dock]

I think there is both involved , definitely meticulous planning but also leaving stuff open here and there , because if opportunity arises and you feel the inspiration why NOT retroactively plug something ?

[ashen perch]

He's not leaving threads open, he's referencing the final saga that he already had planned from the start

[dark nymph]

It’s definitely both

[brittle basin]

I think what I said before holds true. He has bullet points. He uses the week-to-week gardening method of writing to reach those bullet points and sometimes things change or get updated along the way.

[sturdy steeple]

It’s just that the thing we were talking about (Sanji dream gag being related to Killingham future fight) makes less sense to me than Sommers outright being a connoisseur of corrupted love

[brittle basin]

The nature of being a gardener writer basically forces you to write that way.

[sturdy steeple]

And that alone opposes Sanji’s ideals

It’s straight in our face

[ashen perch]

That can hint at Zoro fighting a corrupted Sanji

[hardy stratus]

Hes more plotter than that

No

[ashen perch]

Sanji fights the 3 blade wielding Qilingham, Zoro fights the loverboy Sommers

[brittle basin]

I think the nature of being a week-to-week mangaka prevents any kind of Sanderson plotting

that's why I say big bullet points

[sturdy steeple]

?

[ashen perch]

Oda doesnt plant seeds yes, Oda himself has said that his decades have been spent trying to plot his directions towards the final saga that he has always had the clearest in his mind

[ashen perch]

the trident has 3 blades...

[runic dock]

The way he incorporated the supernova on the whim of his editor , makes it clear he’s very good at planting seeds , since he used said seeds to grow those supernova

Come on bruh

[hardy stratus]

Nah its more close ro sando than grrm

Oda has 5 years of full story planned

[sturdy steeple]

Do you really wanna say that Killy’s weapon of choice is something we should take as a reference to Zoro

[hardy stratus]

Then he wenr gardener to increase the scope

[sturdy steeple]

And not his character traits and whatnot

[runic dock]

The supernova , being creations he didn’t plan , were given depth due to seeds he planted BEFORE they existed

[runic dock]

@ashen perch

[ashen perch]

theres a few exceptions yeah, but even with the Nova I am sure his mind instantly went towards how he can link them to the final saga

[brittle basin]

I think it's gotta be something in between them. like he has things planned, but there's plenty of room to garden when you have 6-7 days to hurry the fuck up and write something.

But even Brandon gardens from time-to-time

[runic dock]

Tying Bonney in with the kuma stuff which was being planned since before Bonney existed , that’s some genius seeding

[hardy stratus]

He has notebooks of plan buffy
Grrm writes and deletes and writes

[brittle basin]

I almost think being a gardener type writer naturally made OP as long as it is

[runic dock]

Tying law in with doffy who was also planned before law

More genius seeding

[hardy stratus]

He’s as much of a planner possibke for long seerialized epic fantasy

[soft tangle]

Not inventing imu and joyboy would have shortened the story a decade

[brittle basin]

Yeah no way he can do it precisely like grrm. I think we might be talking past each other and more aligned than you think. When you say "notebook" i say "bullet points." But I think where we diverge is I think he has less written in that notebook than you do.

[worn beacon]

wheres the proof of that?

[brittle basin]

because he still needs to take the time to board everything out

[runic dock]

I love reading ASOIAF every time I gotta poop

[hardy stratus]

I think he has major checkpoints planned

[ashen perch]

to be clear btw, the 5 years thing was just a poor estimate from him that he goes back on by 2002.

he actually has 20 years of story planned by 2002

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-drama-fantasy-game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-gif-3462370

[hardy stratus]

And he gardens the in between

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if grrm reads manga

[brittle basin]

wait then yeah we are kind of on the same page

[ashen perch]

20 years

[runic dock]

Well , kuma was being planned since before Bonney , because he existed before Bonney , and there is interviews or whatever you can find of him saying his editor told him to include and create supernova like a week or two before they existed

I’m sure arsal or someone here can find that for you it’s a well known one

[ashen perch]

When those 5 years reached their end, he told an interviewer that he actually needs 20 years to write everything he has planned

[sturdy steeple]

Ace wasn’t even planned as Roger’s son

[brittle basin]

'cause I think he has major things as bullet points. buuuuuut I also think the nature of the week-to-week process causes him to update his bullet points. sometimes, when writing, new ideas can come and ago. and Oda has aged ~30 years since beginning OP, so surely he's had time to readjust certain plot points and lore.

[runic dock]

This too yeah

[hardy stratus]

Nah I think this is the case of scope being increased due to other stuff written which changed a 5 year story to 20+

It's very common arsal

[ashen perch]

yeah, he said that that the Supernova didnt exist in his notes prior to being told that his Sabaody idea wasnt interesting enough.

Though, Sabaody and TB are extremely close

[hardy stratus]

farseer trilogy is a book that was outlined for 3 books
It ended up being 21

[ashen perch]

Goro theres another statement where he admits that the 5 year thing was a poor estimate

it was never going to be 5 years

[hardy stratus]

yeah which he retroactively realized because he added stuff while drawing the story

And it added ripple effect

Is what I think happened

cuz in this landscape where your story isn't guaranteed that success

you don't start with a story already of that scope

You have a strong core

[ashen perch]

well he didnt say that he added anything tbf, he straight up said that 5 years was just not going to be enough

[hardy stratus]

In his original one, Yonko weren't a thing no?

[hot cairn]

and it’s not 20 years to the final chapter, it’s 20 years to the final act of the story

[hardy stratus]

It was only Shichibukai

[ashen perch]

yes true jesus

[hot cairn]

Warlords

[brittle basin]

Try writing even a short story. Things change often.

[ashen perch]

other way around Goro

[hardy stratus]

well the thing is

[hot cairn]

the original story was fighting the Yonko

[hardy stratus]

Those changes

add the scope

[ashen perch]

but the Warlords are introduced before he claimed the 5 years thing

[worn beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/gol-d-roger-one-piece-laugh-gif-21028191

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/AyePart2/status/2049517962487382436/photo/1

Aye🇯🇲 (@AyePart2)

Gear 5 Rokuogan cuz why not

X · Apr 29, 2026, 3:55 PM

[ashen perch]

the warlords are introduced in the 49th chapter of the series

[hardy stratus]

Well, he didn't realize the ripple effect then I guess then

[ashen perch]

yeah, hes just extremely bad at the estimates

[hardy stratus]

Because do you honestly think a new writer in competitive mag would start with a 20 year outline?

it started with slower one, but then the world built by itself

[digital spear]

Heres how ZKK can STILL happen

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/furol_nicoco/status/2049485534360482161/photo/1

にここ (@furol_nicoco)

ルフィが大好きです

X · Apr 29, 2026, 1:46 PM

[ashen perch]

• saishuushou means the final saga

[hardy stratus]

Because of elements he added going out of his control

[latent hamlet]

"Why doesnt luffy learn the six powers moves"

[brittle basin]

You can tell in early OP Oda was not sure how long he would last, that's why the arcs are so short comparatively.

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

Slowly like the world started being filled

[brittle basin]

But once we hit Alabasta, everything changed.

[hardy stratus]

the characters and their arcs started intersecting

[prisma yacht]

Nerd

[brittle basin]

I think it's then Oda knew he was more secure

[latent hamlet]

YOU'RE WRONG
HE PLANNED EVERYTHING FROM THE BEGINNING

[prisma yacht]

[latent hamlet]

THATS WHY WE HAD 7 SILOUETTE SWORDSMANS AS THE WARLORDS FOR LUFFY TO FIGHT

[prisma yacht]

I just wanted to say nerd and use the sengoku emoji goro

[latent hamlet]

[hardy stratus]

Oh that was to me?

Lol

[hardy stratus]

I didn't even realize

[prisma yacht]

Well u were the msg above me

[hardy stratus]

bro failed so badly

[prisma yacht]

Ok nerd

[brittle basin]

I can maybe see something like Nika being planned relatively early with all the freedom and sun motifs. But I can also see it being added because of that.

[ashen perch]

obviously the warlords werent clones of the same guy lol, that was just a representation

[prisma yacht]

[cold steppe]

It's okay to admit that certain decisions are done for money

I'm sure the greater story is still intact. But it's clear that he adds stuff in-between as he thinks about them

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/marrangeg/status/2049501507293450252/photo/1
if only

말랑 (@marrangeg)

엘바프 망상을 해

X · Apr 29, 2026, 2:50 PM

[prisma yacht]

So woobly

[hardy stratus]

I see it as the bold outlines being planned
And as smaller stuff started being added, then the story started weaving

[mighty shell]

i feel like this is way too cynical

[latent hamlet]

Nah shut up
They are all similar
They are the 7 warlords after all
They all controlled different parts of the sea and use the sea king blades

[hardy stratus]

And then it changed from 5 years to it not being 5 years

[latent hamlet]

Until oda decided "nah sandman"

[brittle basin]

OK we are probably on the same page for the most part. But I'm willing to bet the bold outlines have been updated over the years.

[hardy stratus]

I think the main outline that he started with

[mighty shell]

so called "warlords" when they have to go to war (they don't feel like fighting whitebeard)

[brittle basin]

Chopper mascot

[hardy stratus]

remained the same

[latent hamlet]

Wait that is funny
"Behold the 7 warlords of the sea"

"The 2nd guy is a sand user who hates water"

[hardy stratus]

Let's say secondary outline were added

[maiden smelt]

I used to have a crush on Ace when I first got into one piece

[hardy stratus]

And tertiary are continuously updated every week

[latent hamlet]

The 7 warlords of the sea yet they also hate going out to sea. They're just introverted instead

[brittle basin]

Croc dying by drowning is so cruel lol

[ashen perch]

I think heres how I see it, he always did have a 20+ year outline to the story, it was just a matter of seeing if they will alow him to do that

5 years in

and he realizes hell yeah! I am making a super hit here

and he just goes all out after it

[brittle basin]

i can believe this, but I would like to hear it in an interview like the 2003 one you posted above

[hardy stratus]

That level of outlining is super difficult man

[brittle basin]

in the 2003 one I can at least say he's had some years to figure things out

[hardy stratus]

I have been trying for 6 years and failing miserablly

[latent hamlet]

Writers are 1 of 2 things

"I made this shit up on the due date ngl"

"I see 3 sequels beyond my death"

[hardy stratus]

[brittle basin]

but yes a 20-year outline has gotta to be ultra difficult

[ashen perch]

I mean he does say it there lol, he says if he is to draw everything in his mind for the story, he will need 20 years to get to the final saga

[hardy stratus]

Not really?

Dude pulling stuff out of his ass

[brittle basin]

I mean from like 1996

the 2003 one is somewhat believable-ish

[ashen perch]

oh theres one thing

[latent hamlet]

Thats option 1 for oda
He made this shit up

[ashen perch]

he tells his mentor Watsuki

[hardy stratus]

Not really

[ashen perch]

that he could need 10 years to tell his story

not 5

[hardy stratus]

Yeah this feels right

[brittle basin]

Oda has bullet points and makes things up. that's where my thought process is. he's a plotter and gardener in varying degrees

[hardy stratus]

it went from 5
To 10
To 20 being his stand in for "Idk dude. It would take long"

[ashen perch]

and he says the 10 year thing before the series began

[hardy stratus]

which I can't blame him for. Grrm hasn't written next book in 15 years

[ashen perch]

Watsuki said that Oda told him before serialization, that he would do this for 10 years

[prisma yacht]

One piece ending in big 2026

[hardy stratus]

Then yeah 10 is also viable

20 is just way too high of a scope man

[prisma yacht]

When was this

[ashen perch]

1997

before the series started

[prisma yacht]

Oh lol

[hardy stratus]

20 years means 1000 chapters worth of story

[prisma yacht]

I took it in the wrong way

[hardy stratus]

Just general outline for it is super challenging

Man I am not feeling this pfp

time to change

[brittle basin]

If he's as Goda as people say, maaaaaybe I can grant him that he has the most major of bullet points like "imu controls the world" and "luffy will unluck gear 5" and "reveal sanji backstory in whole cake island"

[ashen perch]

I think these 3 statements are important to understand about his writing style

*saishuushou means the final saga

sorry greg really liked his weebanese

I dont have a better source for the accurate translations than him

[hardy stratus]

Yeah I understand this

And I think what I said is a good enough approximation of how he thought of it

[ashen perch]

He has a final saga in mind from the very beginning, and everything before it has been more loosely written basically

[brittle basin]

those quotes are just further proof he's both a plotter and gardener.

[prisma yacht]

Kinda convinces me that the koby vs Luffy epilogue fight is inevitable

[hardy stratus]

Arsal gimme a rocks pfp

[graceful belfry]

Change to the better Naruto character (you know the one)

[prisma yacht]

Brb

[ashen perch]

I dont save Rocks fanart

[hardy stratus]

I already have the best Naruto character wtf

[ashen perch]

I am not a fan of him smh

[sly dove]

damn so spoilers just gone now in its entirety?

[brittle basin]

more like donezo fucking gottem

[hardy stratus]

Yes

[hardy stratus]

git gud man

[sly dove]

crazy. new era I guess

[graceful belfry]

There’ll be a channel where people can discuss them still. Don’t think this server will be posting them any more tho

[ashen perch]

But yeah, this is why I do believe that he has had the larger story in mind since the beginning, because he has straight up said it. Everything before it has been an effort to plot towards that final saga

[prisma yacht]

Hlo

[hardy stratus]

Like I said

[ashen perch]

when he said 20 years btw, he said it would take him 20 years to get to the final saga too

[hardy stratus]

The general outline is donr

[ashen perch]

I misspoke before

[urban lodge]

Here's one Goro

[graceful belfry]

LOL

[hardy stratus]

It just added in scope

[hot cairn]

why do you have ZKK Goro

[ashen perch]

he didnt mean 20 years till the end, he meant 20 till the final saga

which is actually his MOST accurate estimate ever

[hardy stratus]

Peak panel ngl

had me crying

[ashen perch]

the final saga really did start in 2022

[hardy stratus]

That whole chapter was my fav

[ashen perch]

what did he see? I dont know, but he saw it somehow

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/1973115694393733626

waker (@aywakutakuay)

XEBEC & TEACH

X · Sep 30, 2025, 8:00 PM

[hot cairn]

it was quite literally spot on, 2022 is when the final saga started

[ashen perch]

yupp

[hardy stratus]

Smth on focus

[prisma yacht]

Cut out the xebec part i really like this one

Hmm

[hardy stratus]

Nah gimme smth with rocks on focus

[ashen perch]

I have not been able to track a source on this

[hardy stratus]

Brb in 5 min

[ashen perch]

but I am sure the JP interviewer knows better than me

[brittle basin]

ooooh

[ashen perch]

so at some point, at the start of the series, Oda did claim that he would take 30 years to write the entire story lol

[brittle basin]

can you post the high res image directly plz?

[ashen perch]

greg thinks the guy rounded up the 26 to 30 though, which is also possible

[brittle basin]

"I wanna take a nice vacation"
presses X to doubt

[brittle basin]

thanks

[prisma yacht]

Np

[ashen perch]

this is where I got that line I repeat sometimes

[brittle basin]

bro look at that final villain

[dense haven]

@hazy turret this is your chance

[ashen perch]

''Oda wants to end One Piece before One Piece ends Oda''

[prisma yacht]

@hardy stratus

Same artist

[brittle basin]

should he get an olympic gold medal for trolling?

[prisma yacht]

Bro these ppl are so fucking talented

Roger at the back

[brittle basin]

you can be too

[dense haven]

nikocado is the lolcow king

[brittle basin]

what does lolcow mean?

like people make fun of you?

i think that's it?

[dense haven]

people whos entire existence is being made fun of

[brittle basin]

ah

[dense haven]

specially when money is involved

[brittle basin]

close enough

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/3-gato-gif-7696470040435474518

This cat isn't nasty enough

[urban lodge]

Weird version of this gif

[ashen perch]

you do gotta appreciate just how hard they lied starting from the mid 2010s

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

[hardy stratus]

I mean no one can do long term serialization of this scope so he gotta rest

[ashen perch]

yeah

[prisma yacht]

Good version

[prisma yacht]

Check pong

[ashen perch]

Editor Naito's statement is the funniest because you could tell he's terrible at lying

[brittle basin]

Fast and Furious, eh?

[ashen perch]

like he's practically trying to tell you that he WONT end it in 5 years

but Shueisha has a gun on his head

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-turn-your-back-on-family-you-cant-walk-away-from-family-you-cant-leave-family-behind-you-cant-ignore-family-you-cant-disregard-family-gif-16058425

[ashen perch]

so he says 5 years anyways

[hot cairn]

I’m glad Oda just straight up stopped saying these estimates

the last one in 2022 was completely ridiculous lol

[graceful belfry]

When he says something less than 5 years, that’s when I’ll believe him

[ashen perch]

uh

[hardy stratus]

Check

[hot cairn]

he said 3 years in 2022

[ashen perch]

he said 3 after Wano

[graceful belfry]

Bullshit

[hot cairn]

he was tweakin

[graceful belfry]

Did he really

[hot cairn]

he did

[ashen perch]

after the very last chapter of Wano

[graceful belfry]

Welp

[hardy stratus]

How does it look stink

where's stink

[hot cairn]

it was in an interview with the detective Conan mangaka

[graceful belfry]

Guess Oda’s an irredeemable, dirty liar

[hardy stratus]

@prisma yacht

[graceful belfry]

Can’t trust anything he says

[prisma yacht]

Hot

[hot cairn]

looks fire

[ashen perch]

I am 100000000% convinced that Shuiesha had been forcing him to lie

[hot cairn]

[hardy stratus]

Aoyama would write for longer than Oda

[warm thunder]

that was 4 years ago?

[hardy stratus]

conan's been at like

[hot cairn]

yep lmaooo

[ashen perch]

he stopped lying by the end of 2022

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-it-hurts-hurt-painful-gif-16342245

[hardy stratus]

MAYBE 40% lol

[hot cairn]

that’s crazy

[ashen perch]

Goro you gotta read this greg thing if you have the time btw

[graceful belfry]

He’s like, “fuck it. Just gonna stop giving them estimates”

[waxen furnace]

😭😭😭

[ashen perch]

he goes over Oda's past estimates and its a good insight from a man who has worked with his editors atleast

[hot cairn]

as he should, they were always ridiculous

[ashen perch]

(not Oda, he wishes he worked with Oda)

[graceful belfry]

Greg is the true biggest One Piece fan

I’ve accepted it

[hot cairn]

his theories were ass tho

in that document

but it was a good read

[graceful belfry]

Dude has every single chapter of One Piece in MAGAZINE FORMAT

Like brother

[hardy stratus]

Well I think this already went to a different discussion (of length) that I don't care about Arsal

[graceful belfry]

What

[hot cairn]

just for the Oda interviews

[hardy stratus]

I was only there for his writing style thing

and I still see him.as a major and some submajor general outline at start of which major points stayed as it is

[ashen perch]

oh yea, it touches upon his style of writing too lol

[hardy stratus]

then send link

[ashen perch]

because you get a better understanding of how he has planned out his series, based on estimates

[hot cairn]

One Piece could very well go for 10 more years ngl

[hardy stratus]

I'll bookmark it

[ashen perch]

you can tell where he was expanding, or contracting! sometimes

https://www.onepiecepodcast.com/theendofonepiece

[dark nymph]

it will

[hardy stratus]

A podcast?

[hot cairn]

so we can just chill rn

[hardy stratus]

Bruh

[ashen perch]

nah

[hot cairn]

nah it’s an article