also-manga

[digital spear]

LOL

[wraith mantle]

are RoW and WaT as good as OB?

[leaden rivet]

Calvin and Hobbes just being there out of everything else is hilarious

[digital spear]

Buggy writing this is so funny

[dense rapids]

I legit just noticed it

[hardy stratus]

WaT made Stormlight go from "It's pretty good" to my top 15 series

[dense rapids]

Was like wait “all of the new world buggy is in this building”

[hardy stratus]

and it's one of my 3 fav books of all time

[digital spear]

He was outside showing Croc and Mihawk their new ship!!!!

[dense rapids]

Wasn’t he at the window 😭

[digital spear]

He touched grass once

😭

[wraith mantle]

good to hear

[dense haven]

it literally did the oppoiste

[grand flower]

Nice this is pretty cool Harsh ima save this as a reading list

[hardy stratus]

Imajica and One hundred years of solitude are the other two

[dense haven]

dont trust him

[dense rapids]

Buggy has been making extreme moves tho

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

[hardy stratus]

imagine trusting spice's takes after you have interacted with him on also-manga

[hot cairn]

I don’t trust Spice’s takes

[alpine trench]

calvin and hobbes is one of the greatest literary achievements ever

[hardy stratus]

harsh i forgot have you read Imajica

I know you have read one hundred years of solitude

what do you think of both

[alpine trench]

i really like both of those books

[digital spear]

You english people have it easy btw

[hardy stratus]

english people?

[digital spear]

You know what they did with ASOIAF and Stormlight

[alpine trench]

i think one hundred years of solitude would've hit better in original spanish

[hardy stratus]

English is my fourth language bro

[digital spear]

English is my third language and Im also dumb

[hardy stratus]

for every typo or bad grammar I make here, yall should realize that I speak 5 languages more than you

[digital spear]

Im just most comfortable reading german

My english is enough for reading also mangas takes but not for literature like this

[hot cairn]

what languages do you know?

[hardy stratus]

about the stuff with family hierarchy and names could be clearer?

[hardy stratus]

Hindi, Nepali, my local language, English, Korean, a bit of Sanksrit (I say a bit because I haven't practiced or done any readings in years)

I come from a religious family and had to read sanskrit texts from early

and learn the procedures of rituals

[alpine trench]

also, just the prose, its good in english but in spanish, as is the case for any translated literature, it hits so much different

[wraith mantle]

also manga takes is crazy 😭

[hardy stratus]

hmm

[hot cairn]

oh nice

[hardy stratus]

I liked the prose and I think marquez mentioned about preferring Rabassa's translation too

[wraith mantle]

in your opinion, which language has better literature? out of the ones you know of course

[hardy stratus]

korean I used to deal with a lot in 2021-2022 because I translated dr stone

but post that I have used it to just read slops

[prisma yacht]

What is ur local language

[digital spear]

Bro I see horrible-takes-spren every time I look in here

[prisma yacht]

[dense haven]

hash can back me up here he hated book 4 and 5

[wraith mantle]

i thought harsh stopped after OB

[hardy stratus]

harsh hasn't read past book 3

[wraith mantle]

LMAO

[dense haven]

thats how much he hated it

[leaden rivet]

They have English in your country?

[hardy stratus]

he liked Ob most

[golden jacinth]

@hardy stratus

[hardy stratus]

so paused cuz of that

I have done too much doxxing already man

[tidal ice]

spice is the realest one on this channel

[leaden rivet]

I always wonder why people just randomly speak English

[wraith mantle]

its not really a wonder

its the language of the world

[digital spear]

This sounds like theyre offering english like a drink in a bar

[hardy stratus]

we used to have teachers and everyone enforce english

you can only speak english on school premises

and what not

[leaden rivet]

Goro are you American

[hardy stratus]

no

would americans know more than 2 languages

[leaden rivet]

I’m an American that knows 2 languages

[prisma yacht]

Murican

[hardy stratus]

more than 2

I already counted for 2

[leaden rivet]

I know 3 actually

[hardy stratus]

ah okay you are an exception

[leaden rivet]

Don’t question me again

[digital spear]

Its probably better that I didnt start with english I would be too lazy to learn more

[leaden rivet]

English is easy to learn because it’s everywhere

Portuguese despite barely anyone speaking it is also everywhere

[latent hamlet]

Imagine if one piece dabbled in having multiple languages

[prisma yacht]

What about Spanish

Lo siento Redon

[latent hamlet]

Luffy just speaks a fluent 2nd language and every1 is confused

[hardy stratus]

only one language survived past one of the apocalypse

[digital spear]

Bro did they even speak poneglyph language in the ancient kingdom

[leaden rivet]

Are we langauge scaling

[hardy stratus]

it's a common tropes in post apocalyptic worlds where a certain power is at top controlling everything

[leaden rivet]

Donde esta la biblioteca

[stone terrace]

A world with thousands of islands only having one language (especially with many being isolated) unironically might be the most unrealistic thing about one piece

[hardy stratus]

not really

[leaden rivet]

Not when there’s a centralized world government

[hot cairn]

Community reference

W

[hardy stratus]

homogenity in language is the most common thing for these sort of stories where there's a centralized superpower

[stone terrace]

The wg is <200 of the world

[prisma yacht]

Is that a biblu reference

[leaden rivet]

No comprende

[hardy stratus]

it's a power that has been having a iron grip in the world in 800 years

[prisma yacht]

Si habo Espanol

[hardy stratus]

with a literal demon at top

[digital spear]

I mean wouldnt God Valley have their own language for example, before WG destroying it

[leaden rivet]

Most of them should have their own native

But world building is hard and everyone’s lazy

Language is just something everyone skips in every world that exists outside the typical earth

[hardy stratus]

1. we don't know how the world was pre apocalypse
2. there's been multiple apocalyptic events and languages die in those
3. There's a centralized power which has cleansed the world

[digital spear]

At least Oda thought of different timezones during Vegapunks message

[runic dock]

I lied I didn’t make the connection …. But it is a decent theory

[hardy stratus]

I don't see anyone other than Elbaf having the language intact

because of the lifespan that they reach

[leaden rivet]

They’d just create new separate ones tbf

[tidal onyx]

Oh thanks 🙏 you watched it?

[hardy stratus]

some sort of dialects would occur

[stone terrace]

Yea 800 years is more than enough time for dialects to branch into separate ones lol

[hardy stratus]

I am sure there's that too. Like Wano has its own dialect

[digital spear]

But whats up with the Ponegylph language was that jzst a code

[hardy stratus]

but it's 800 years of centralized power having iron grip

[runic dock]

skypeians and shndorans for sure , Nolan would have needed a translator

[hardy stratus]

so even that would be controlled

[leaden rivet]

People create new dialects within a century

[hardy stratus]

and we see Wano having their dialect

yeah but those people don't have a WG

[leaden rivet]

Unless the WG makes it illegal to learn any other new language the there’s reason that they don’t have new ones

[digital spear]

Is Minks garchu a dialect

[hardy stratus]

Minks probably have one too yea

[leaden rivet]

Goro stop trying to defend bad worldbuilding

[hardy stratus]

??

[stone terrace]

Its a necessary sacrifice

[hardy stratus]

I shit on OP worldbuilding like I do on every worldbuilding when it's problematic

[dense rapids]

[stone terrace]

Unless you create a mcguffin like vp having an auto translater implanted into everyones heads

[hardy stratus]

like when I did about existence of both mythical and ancient zoans separation being moot

[leaden rivet]

A world with a billion islands (exaggeration) ain’t all speaking the same or similar languages

[stone terrace]

Which funnily enough blue lock does something like that

[final trench]

Descendantttttt 😭

[pallid niche]

if you think One Piece is bad about language don't read the Wheel of Time 😭

[dense rapids]

Naw I hate this Gomu theory

[digital spear]

Places that should have their own language

• Skypiea
• Zou
• Wano
• God Valley maybe

[runic dock]

Having no different languages seems like a shounen shortcut to make things simpler

But who knows maybe Oda invents a canon void century reason why everyone only speaks one

[leaden rivet]

Don’t worry I won’t

[tidal ice]

i mean they put "explained by a native japanese speaker" in there surely they can't be wrong

[hardy stratus]

zou and Wano does have their dialect tho

[ashen perch]

Shandora does use the Poneglyph language very casually

[hardy stratus]

yeah that too

[digital spear]

This is what I was asking for

[leaden rivet]

They should straight up have their own language

[digital spear]

Is the poneglyph language used

[pine ridge]

theory, japan

[leaden rivet]

Like

[pseudo gulch]

Since there's a world government it would make sense if they unified the world by picking one official language for everyone

[hot cairn]

Elbaph too

[final trench]

I mean i think there is a connection with 56 and 16 but i dont think joyboy was imu’s 5th brother

[ashen perch]

I think the variations we see throughout the series are good enough really

[final trench]

Thats how they get em

[leaden rivet]

Well it’s bad worldbuilding but it’s typical for authors to get lazy about languages they don’t add that much to a story for how long it takes to figure these things out

[digital spear]

I think Elbaf has that with Harley

[dense rapids]

Wait

16 - Imu

56 - Joy Boy

96 - Davy Jones

[hardy stratus]

if there was no WG, yeah I would agree

[runic dock]

I could see that

For now it’s a writing shortcut , but there could definitely be something invented in the history that makes it that way , we’ll see

[final trench]

Chill brah

[hardy stratus]

but with WG, and with the separate kingdoms having their own dialect

[dense rapids]

96 is a real theory

[hardy stratus]

and an ancient country speaking ponelgylph

[pseudo gulch]

Also everyone travels the world by sea, that surely helped mixing all the languages into one

[hardy stratus]

idk what's bad worldbuilding there is

[digital spear]

Kyumu

[pallid niche]

Blackbeard is eating 94 more devil fruits confirmed

[final trench]

96 does = kuro 🤔 maybe

[leaden rivet]

I mean everyone in the ancient world traveled the world by sea too

[hardy stratus]

why

[ashen perch]

You-gara, You-tiea, Garchu - Zou has its own dialect of the universal langauge basically
Wano speaks in a very specific samurai-like way of speaking Japanese
Elbaf has a language that has been somewhat forgotten now
FMI had its jamons and whatnot

[dense rapids]

God valley chapter 1096

[hardy stratus]

WoT is the best in exploring fantasy cultures

[pseudo gulch]

The most realistic explanation is that Oda (like many writers) just picked the easiest solution and even that is fine

[runic dock]

At one point that wasn’t the case , since it was flooded as we know

[leaden rivet]

They would be speaking entirely different languages not flavored Japanese lol

[ashen perch]

illya thats just silly yknow

[pallid niche]

the entiiiiiire world has 2 languages, the one they speak now and an "old language"

[hardy stratus]

there's different dialects

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lucki-shh-lucki-shh-gif-3245291727502780352

[leaden rivet]

Like if you go to Egypt are you just going to have a conversation with the people there?

[hardy stratus]

and there's a similar case to OP

[dense rapids]

Volume 96 Roger found the one oiece

[ashen perch]

the manga is written in Japanese, its simpler for the reader to use a universal language

[pallid niche]

and unlike One Piece there isn't a single world government controlling the world. Seanchan is completely isolated from the rest of the world, and so is Shara

[leaden rivet]

Well yes

I understand

[pseudo gulch]

It would make sense if an island not affiliated with the WG (like Elbaf) spoke another language

[leaden rivet]

I’m just saying it’s bad worldbuilding but it’s not anything crazy that you’d expect

[hardy stratus]

but there's a similar element as WG tho

[pseudo gulch]

But they don't

[ashen perch]

I imagine we'll find out that the poneglyph language was used commonly in the past, and it will still be spoken like Japanese

[leaden rivet]

Because it takes time

[wraith mantle]

having different languages would be zero value add to the story

[ashen perch]

Its not bad worldbuilding lol?

[wraith mantle]

just wasted effort

[runic dock]

Yeah it’s a writing shortcut

[leaden rivet]

Ok Arsal it’s good worldbuilding

[dark nymph]

I prefer that over having a translator character every arc lol

[hardy stratus]

it is bad worldbuilding but it's not in this case as it makes sense in the world

[iron oriole]

Elbaf should have a different language if any island should... they live over 300 years, Jarul being 408 iirc if any civ still speaks an ancient language etc it should be them

[leaden rivet]

Nope it’s good

[pseudo gulch]

It would be interesting to see how the straw hats would interact with every island they visited

[ashen perch]

thats ridiculous, its not inherently worse in any sort of way lol

[final trench]

Interesting

[wet condor]

Same with Wano

[leaden rivet]

It’s not

[wet condor]

Like Wano especially

[leaden rivet]

It’s good

[wet condor]

Wano has remained isolated form the rest of the world for centuries, has it not?

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah Wano is a bit weird

[hardy stratus]

Without a centralized power enforcing things
it wouldn't make sense

[pseudo gulch]

It's one of the most isolated places in the world

[ashen perch]

It does, the Harley is written in a specific Elbafian language that has just been forgotten

[hardy stratus]

Giants should have their own language

[pallid niche]

idk it's weird to me that the entire world somehow switched from the old tongue to the new language. and this is after the breaking of the world

[cosmic hamlet]

Hi

[hardy stratus]

there's the element of Fate and DO

[ashen perch]

what was the language that Wano was supposed to speak

[pallid niche]

hmm i guess

[hardy stratus]

it would be hella spoiler territory going more than that

[stone terrace]

Thats not true at ALL lma

[iron oriole]

When i say should have, i'm not talking about 3000 years ago or whatever...

[graceful belfry]

Wanonese

[wet condor]

^^^

[stone terrace]

The problem is the value it brings isnt worth the effort though

[wet condor]

Or whatever lol

[pseudo gulch]

Yo imagine a fruit that lets the user become basically a living tower of babel

It would be pretty funny

[wet condor]

Anything that's not the main world language

[pallid niche]

i did read the entire series and i don't think an explanation was ever given, but i guess you can headcanon one

[ashen perch]

literally the place where it makes the most sense for it to be JP 😭

[wet condor]

Yes, but within world lol

[runic dock]

Made up scribble language where the paranthesis would explain what they’re saying

[stone terrace]

However if you plan it out carefully it actually isnt THAT hard. Something like languages being different would be VERY important for a story that is highly political and grounded

[iron oriole]

Why doesn't Oda just invent languages, like how Klingon, Elvish etc was for other series

[leaden rivet]

With a series where your island switching so much it can be tedious

[pseudo gulch]

There's a manga that explores this point of discussion but I can't say the name because it's os

[runic dock]

You don’t even have to invent a language , just make flavored scribbles

[pseudo gulch]

Huge lack of effort from Loda

[hardy stratus]

RJ does go into why it's only 2 in a internet forum

I'll ping you in ws wait

[native cloud]

Maan?!

[ashen perch]

ehh they just learnt the universal language since then, not a big deal

[dark nymph]

the strawhats just have to all study a language on the ship before arriving to a new island

[ashen perch]

thats what the poneglyph language is basically

[iron oriole]

Is he even committed to the game atp?

[sleek viper]

Mans already having to use the wiki cz he cant remember moves/attacks a whole ass language is gon be such a pain

[leaden rivet]

Lazy worldbuilding works fine for a story like this

[wet condor]

Oda would have to get like a translator or something every time the SHs go somewhere.

[pseudo gulch]

Let's be real Oda probably doesn't care about this

[wet condor]

If Oda wanted to make it more realistic

[ashen perch]

literally a non issue

[leaden rivet]

Yeah it’s too tedious

[hardy stratus]

it's an issue for me if WG wasn't there

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat-washed-my-goat-is-washed-washed-goat-your-goat-is-washed-mfw-my-goat-is-washed-gif-11435157539877774481

[hardy stratus]

but with it, maybe I am slightly bothered with Elbaf not speaking in their own tongue

but other than that

[latent hamlet]

Oda should just be like toriyama

Just commit to forgetting

[hardy stratus]

meh

[latent hamlet]

[wet condor]

He'd have to find a way to fit one into the story just about each time. Or at least for the places that're heavily isolated from the rest of the world

[native cloud]

So One Piece is about to end, are guys ready for that?

[dark nymph]

meh is how I feel about it all too

[latent hamlet]

Oda: we had a gear 3?

[leaden rivet]

Trying to have Luffy speak through a translator is its own headache

[pseudo gulch]

I thought you meant he should die

[golden valley]

It would be cool to see new languages but it doesn’t need to be kept. Like for example a character can just say “This guy speaks a language we can’t understand” even if it’s translated to English/Japanese for the reader

[ashen perch]

we know that the world used to speak all these different languages in the past, those have been forgotten now, it is what it is!

[native cloud]

Cause I’m not

[golden valley]

And other series have done this

[hardy stratus]

yeah but that shouldn't be the case for Giants for whom void century was 2 lifetime ago

and not 10-20

is my issue

for everything else other than Giants, I agree

[ashen perch]

maybe yea, the WG was responsible for the homogenization of language

[dark nymph]

not until 2036

[leaden rivet]

To do a lazy fix they’d need automatic translator den den mushi’s

[hardy stratus]

WG is 100% responsible for homogenization

[native cloud]

Doubt it

[pseudo gulch]

I need a section in the next set of vivre cards for every single language that ever existed in the one piece world and how to speak it

[iron oriole]

Yeah it could just be done the same as Luffy eating with his mouth full this chapter

Add random text to show its a different language etc even if for 1 panel just to establish it

[hardy stratus]

and the dendenmushi is a easy af copout so if he had to, Oda would obvious think of that

so it's clearly an intended point

[ashen perch]

they didnt speak the same poneglyph language though, Harley is written in another language that got forgotten and it predates the VC

[hardy stratus]

albeit a simplistic one speaking anthropologically

[pseudo gulch]

If a dendenmushi stops working do you call a veterinarian or an electrician?

[hardy stratus]

but that degree of simplication is just smth you need to suspend the disbelief for

[hardy stratus]

veterinarian

[native cloud]

How many chapters was Marineford?

[graceful belfry]

30

[ashen perch]

30

[golden valley]

This would be more like Magazine material than Vivre Card material

[graceful belfry]

I love when questions get asked that I know the answer to

[native cloud]

How long did it take to get put out?

[golden valley]

Have Oda go through every language in an interview

[graceful belfry]

30 weeks

[wet condor]

Yeah. Oda wrote for a certain demographic and it isn't meant to be a highly political and grounded story, it's a romantic battle shonen adventure lol

[hardy stratus]

like even the number of language LoTR has wouldn't completely make sense anthropologically

[ashen perch]

longer

[graceful belfry]

32 weeks

[hardy stratus]

but that's a level of simplication that's needed

[wet condor]

Or battle shonen adjacent. Whatever you wanna call it

[pseudo gulch]

Even better, have the whole interview in one of those languages

[runic dock]

Realistic strawhat crew would need a translator crew member

[ashen perch]

probably closer to 32 yeah

[pseudo gulch]

Close to zero break weeks??

[hardy stratus]

and well, robin would just fill that shoes

[pseudo gulch]

Insane

[dark nymph]

32 damn so Oda took only 2 breaks?

[golden valley]

Just one random text would be enough to establish it yeah

[hardy stratus]

there's probably plenty of lost languages that she knows due to her being an archaelogy

[ashen perch]

wait I forgot about the jump breaks

[native cloud]

Thing is I’m trying to figure out how many years the final war might take

[pseudo gulch]

One more reason why she's the goat

[ashen perch]

more like 35+ then

[iron oriole]

I wonder if Oda will ever reveal the Ponegylph alphabet etc so people can learn it

[wet condor]

3 maybe

[dark nymph]

you both are trolling

[runic dock]

Ok yeah it would be Robin

Good save Oda

[pallid niche]

do people rly expect the final war to be as short as Marineford was?

[ashen perch]

okay 38 weeks, I just checked

[urban lodge]

Final war will be longer than Wano

[native cloud]

I’m not saying it will be shorter

[hardy stratus]

so like it's wouldn't be much of an issue worldbuilding wise

[leaden rivet]

Final war doesn’t need to be long and drawn out lol we all know it’s going to be 99% clashes

[hardy stratus]

there's plenty of solutions

[native cloud]

150 chapters!

[ashen perch]

You have gotta understand that Marineford was an extremely condensed version of what he actually wanted to draw, he said that he was condensing 60 pages into 17 for Marineford

[hardy stratus]

so instead of seeing the obvioius point it's trying to make
homogenization of language, WG's grip, erasure of cultures, and what not
we go into bad worldbuilding

[pallid niche]

idk if it'll be longer than Wano but it'll definitely be much longer than Marineford. it'll have to embroil the entire world, as opposed to Marineford essentially being a single battle

[native cloud]

Bruh that will be nuts

[runic dock]

Kuro will appear in one piece: doomsday

[leaden rivet]

Marineford was a lot of people just standing around and watching

[ashen perch]

I dont think the final war will be like this at all

[dark nymph]

I hope he goes all out for the final war

I want all 60 pages

[hardy stratus]

stella imagine final war being as long as that chapter in memory of light

[native cloud]

They all saved luffy

lol

[hardy stratus]

the climactic chapter of Wheel of Time was 5 hour long in audiobook

[leaden rivet]

🧍

[runic dock]

Cause haki wasn’t fully realized yet , oda told made them all fight like that

[hot cairn]

I don’t get why people want to compare final war to Marineford

[pallid niche]

ooo i hope so, that would be awesome

[hot cairn]

it doesn’t work

[pallid niche]

in general final war arcs tend to be pretty long

[hot cairn]

Final War has insanely more content

[native cloud]

Oh yeah, I forgot about this comment

[leaden rivet]

Akainu’s raining magma on all my crewmates, let me just stand right here and aura farm

🧍

[runic dock]

Final war will be half flashbacks

[native cloud]

Yeah, it should’ve been longer

[iron oriole]

Final War will make MF look like a picnic

[hardy stratus]

a culimnation of entire series and one of the highest scope series' final climactic showdown should obviously be very short /s

[pseudo gulch]

All I know is that it's gonna be pure chaos

[ashen perch]

Marineford was also like that by design, it was meant to be extremly chaotic and messy and Oda said that he only ever drew it as a short sidetrip that he didnt expect to get so popular

[pseudo gulch]

Both in a good way and in a bad way

[leaden rivet]

Pure chaos is the last thing we need

[pseudo gulch]

Onigashima was messy already

[ashen perch]

Final War is meant to make Marineford look ''cute''

[pseudo gulch]

Imagine what the final war will look like

[hardy stratus]

Pure Chaos is the exact thing we need

[native cloud]

I don’t know man

[runic dock]

Organized chaos better

[hardy stratus]

If Final War isn't chaotic, then that would be "bad writing"

[leaden rivet]

It’s so easy to end up like the clusterfuck that marineford is if you depend too much on chaos

[pseudo gulch]

You dare criticize Oda??

[dark nymph]

in a not good way

[ashen perch]

controlled chaos, hopefully

[leaden rivet]

Yep better controlled

[runic dock]

Everyone will have their roles to play including krieg

[woven heron]

Luffy gonna show Imu power of friendship once again the end

Kappa

[iron oriole]

MF literally wont even compare to it

[pseudo gulch]

You could say Onigashima being messy makes you feel more how chaotic the whole raid was

[pallid niche]

i liked Onigashima idc

[native cloud]

Do you know the are people on here that believe Wano tops Marineford lol??

[hardy stratus]

When I criticize oda, people just gang up on me so I do it somewhere else

where I talk about actual bad worldbuilding and not good worldbuilding dubbed bad

[leaden rivet]

There’s too many fights going on that there won’t be so many actual fights and just skirmishes

[hardy stratus]

I would love that

[pseudo gulch]

Every time I say I don't like something about One Piece harsh says I'm an idiot

[graceful belfry]

Marineford kawaii desu🥹

[ashen perch]

I consider Dressrosa a miracle basically, Oda's never done controlled chaos so effectively as he did there, juggling between a million characters and their stories pretty much flawlessly.

People may dislike it for being slow, but I think it was perfect

[hardy stratus]

you are an idiot tho johto

affectionately

[pseudo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[runic dock]

Marineford only looked the way it did because the universe didn’t have a fully realized battle system yet

Final war will have everything finalized so fights will look better

[hardy stratus]

Idk Marineford strives with chaos

[leaden rivet]

There’s a lot of vehement op defenders here that will defend anything about the series no matter what

[hardy stratus]

still my fav arc in the series

[dark nymph]

@ them all

[leaden rivet]

They know who they are

[dark nymph]

🍿

[hardy stratus]

I say EL sucks everytime

and it shats on OP worldbuilding

and only @rustic coral agrees with me on that

[ashen perch]

I mean if your criticism is stupid, you deserve to be called an idiot for that fr

[iron oriole]

L take

[hardy stratus]

see

[leaden rivet]

See I told you they knew

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-hurley-duke-face-off-ref-dan-hurley-duke-uconn-gif-11449341735857634373

[ashen perch]

oh I wasnt referring to you Goro

[pseudo gulch]

🚨 🚨 ACTUAL HOT TAKE ALERT 🚨 🚨

[hardy stratus]

???

[pseudo gulch]

I disagree but I respect it

[hardy stratus]

it's the most lukewarm take in the circles outside this

[grand flower]

People get into a book club and are appalled that their analysis gets responded to with opinions

[pallid niche]

i mean "Enies Lobby shits on OP worldbuilding" is definitely an opinion

[leaden rivet]

Honestly Goro

Since we’re talking about unpopular opinions

[runic dock]

It’s an arc tht works in conjunction with water 7 it can’t be taken alone

[pseudo gulch]

Most "hot takes" here are way too extreme and feel like ragebait

[hardy stratus]

Water 7 is a great arc earl

Enies Lobby is carried by some of the strongest emotional moments in the series

[leaden rivet]

I also think marineford just isn’t that good.

[runic dock]

EL is the onigashima of water 7

[leaden rivet]

Especially as much as people say it is

[hardy stratus]

Onigashima is one of my fav part of the series earl hehe

[ashen perch]

Enies Lobby isnt even separated from Water 7 officially lol

[leaden rivet]

Onigashima is THE best part of the series

[pseudo gulch]

Enies Lobby is my favorite arc but yeah Merry saving the straw hats is the biggest asspull in the series by far

[dark nymph]

Dressrosa, WCI, Wano > MF

[hardy stratus]

Illy most of the time the "vehemont OP defender" or w/e you say are usually just people you don't seem to agree with

[hot cairn]

truuuuee rezz

[leaden rivet]

Goro how could you know that when you’re never here?

[runic dock]

It’s pretty great and you can tell Oda learned lessons from EL in it

[ashen perch]

thats insulting to the series

[pseudo gulch]

I need to reread WCI so bad

The whole post ts really

[hardy stratus]

I am here often

I only wasn't here for 10 months

and I have interacted OPwith you in ws, os

even when I haven't caught up

[leaden rivet]

This is the first time I’ve been here where I seen you consistently in the past few years

[urban lodge]

I was going through some of my favorite moments earlier today and 902 is one of the best chapters in the series

[hardy stratus]

I have been year for a year before this last break

[leaden rivet]

904 is great also

[final trench]

Ou shi…

[native cloud]

Why do you guys separate Enies Lobby from Water 7?

[leaden rivet]

900-907 is kinda a crazy time

[final trench]

I gotta do some research after i get off work

Holy shit

[pseudo gulch]

Which one is it?

[dense rapids]

Rocks is the color spread of 1169

[grand flower]

It’s sort of second nature to associate island with arc

[ashen perch]

Bad End Musical is one of my fav chapters (900)

[leaden rivet]

And no this is just wrong, you’re misinformed. Because EVERYONE here disagrees with me all the time lol

[urban lodge]

End of WCI, has the Sanji and Zeff moment, Katakuri flashback, Carrot talking about Pedro

[dark nymph]

I gotta look these up, I don't remember most chapters by their number hold on 😭

[ashen perch]

yeah but Oda doesnt really see things that way

[leaden rivet]

But I don’t consider all of them vehement defenders

[hot cairn]

I think I’m one of the Op defenders that Illy is talking about but there’s some things in the series that I dislike

I just love OP too much lol

[pseudo gulch]

Great chapter

[leaden rivet]

You aren’t

[graceful belfry]

I have many favorite chapters…

[hot cairn]

oh

[native cloud]

Shuron come on man

[dense rapids]

Chapter 966

[wet condor]

Officially Enies Lobby and Water 7 are separate lol

[leaden rivet]

Didn’t even have you in mind Jesus lol

[wet condor]

But I view it just as one thing

[hot cairn]

I feel like I haven’t seen you here for like a year or so

[hot cairn]

I see

[hardy stratus]

Well me and harsh are probably the top ones in the list

[runic dock]

Yeah Enies lobby literally can’t be taken by itself as a complete story lol

[dense rapids]

906

Davy jones was the previous King

[iron oriole]

Everyone should

[hot cairn]

Illy is based tho because he says Wano is peak

(and it is)

[ashen perch]

not at all

[iron oriole]

You can't have one without the other

[hot cairn]

but his Skypiea takes…

[pallid niche]

wano hate is beyond forced

[wet condor]

I mean in terms of arc names

[urban lodge]

Eh

It's definitely flawed

[wet condor]

Aren't they?

[ashen perch]

yeah I know, its not official music

[leaden rivet]

Every arc is flawed

[grand flower]

Yeah W7 and EL begin and end the same storyline for sure. Wano and Onigashima too

[leaden rivet]

But people hate Wano more than they should

[hot cairn]

agreed

[wet condor]

One is named Enies Lobby and one is named W7 though. Those are the official names lol

[urban lodge]

Can't think of any flaws in WCI tbh

[pulsar path]

BB twin heart shanks twin offspring

[wet condor]

But it's one plot line

[rose rune]

I hate less than I should

[leaden rivet]

The most flawless arc id say is Sabaody

[pulsar path]

And buggy king

[runic dock]

Oda fixed that mistake with wano an onigashima

[grand flower]

You’re too debate brained. You asked why people think that way, that’s why. I wasn’t endorsing or critiquing it

[iron oriole]

WCI actually one of my least liked arcs but still has one of my favourite chapters

[leaden rivet]

You’re not hating to your hearts content

[pulsar path]

What no way no arc is flawless but if there was one it would be enis lobby

[rose rune]

I need to get more fumed

[runic dock]

WCI> wano

[dense haven]

the most flawless arc is w7

tell me any flaw

[leaden rivet]

Nah

[formal wagon]

drum >>>>>>>>>>

[pulsar path]

Thigh when the wrestler in this manga does a thigh breaker in tagging you

[leaden rivet]

Enies lobby villains kinda weak,

Sabaody is better all around

[pulsar path]

Wtf are you talking about t

You telling

Trolling

[iron oriole]

Nah Illy baiting

[leaden rivet]

I’m never baiting

[wraith mantle]

yeah its very little value compared to effort

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think cp9 are that strong of villains

I didn’t say they’re bad

[warm sierra]

most arcs are fem law less, the only one would be egghead

[pulsar path]

Why are you rage bating me !!!

[urban lodge]

Lucci is good

[wraith mantle]

and oda is already stuck with a massive story

[urban lodge]

Kaku is entertaining

[runic dock]

I don’t see sabaody the way everyone else does , I see it as a transition arc with a fake out ending

[urban lodge]

The rest is meh

[wet condor]

Illya doesn't usually bait though lol

[hot cairn]

I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t like cp9 if that arc was dropping these days

[wet condor]

But sometimes I think you are

[leaden rivet]

They absolutely wouldn’t

[rose rune]

I suspect a lot of people would tag me

[leaden rivet]

I never do it intentionally but some of my opinions are inflammatory

[pulsar path]

I'll be first I stack my claim !!

Steak

Yea 🥩

[wraith mantle]

i mean yeah, if you drop CP9 1120 chapters into the story people wouldnt like it

CP9 is small fish

[dark nymph]

Lucci made up for it by giving us one of the best fights in the series

if not the best

[pallid niche]

tbh the villains of Water 7/Enies Lobby aren't super memorable true

[iron oriole]

Thats because they're ADHD fueled & must have aura or bad

[ashen perch]

The official name is ''Water 7 Saga'', they dont do arcs like that.

They did make a list of arc based on islands, but its very silly and doesnt make sense the same way the breakdown by sagas does.

[grand flower]

The problem is people take it as “defending OP” when the reality is just “your reasoning for that take is flawed”

It’s easier to dismiss people as vehement defenders than it is to really engage with thought processes being challenged

[formal wagon]

lucci mentioned

[leaden rivet]

I’m surprised people reacted so strongly to that, like it’s not like they’re crazy good villains

[pallid niche]

the arcs themselves are awesome but the villains are just good. not stand-out

[grand flower]

Our opinions are really irrelevant

[leaden rivet]

The best moments of Enies Lobby is the crew and how they handled it all

[hardy stratus]

I was away for 10 months

[pulsar path]

Tbh I didn't see it was you till I looked at the name change in your opinions are usually genuine so my bad but I still disagree!!?

[grand flower]

It’s how we substantiate them that gets talked about

[rose rune]

I remember kaku and blueno. The others are a blur

[hot cairn]

no I mean if the arc as a whole was dropping today

[hardy stratus]

Was active here continuously for a year before that

[fast pagoda]

CP9 is awesome

[hardy stratus]

Was not caught up for 4 months then

[wraith mantle]

eh i mean, it would still be a great arc

[hardy stratus]

and that's the two breaks I have been in

[fast pagoda]

You're unfortunately right

[leaden rivet]

Like I said I don’t think CP9 are bad and I think they make for entertaining villains, but they aren’t particularly strong villains with good depth until honestly the cover stories

[wraith mantle]

and cp9 would still be a decent villain group, nothing too crazy about them

[leaden rivet]

One piece usually has strong villains otherwise

[ashen perch]

the modern attention span could NOT handle it weekly lol

[hot cairn]

I can see that point yeah

[wet condor]

Having it included as one entire saga makes sense and that's lines up with how peopel view them. But are you saying that the arc breakdowns unofficial? What determines whether or not it's official?

[pallid niche]

didn't a lot of people hate it when it was ongoing too? i remember seeing a screenshot of some forum posts

[wraith mantle]

was it paced worse than wano for example?

[hot cairn]

in Twitter people call those “Oda angels”

[hardy stratus]

Ap forums yes

[ashen perch]

yes, it was considered slow even at the time

[wraith mantle]

damn

[hardy stratus]

EL?

[pallid niche]

there's always just a dedicated group of haters trashing whatever the "current thing" is lol

[hardy stratus]

People used to say OP is worse during EL was ongoing

[wraith mantle]

how did AP react to the "I want to live" moment

did they call it tearslop?

[ashen perch]

whether or not shueisha uses them, Shueisha uses the term ''Water 7''

[urban lodge]

Robin lost aura

[formal wagon]

isnt that from piratefolk

[ashen perch]

yeah

it came from Twitter

Piratefolk is just the same people lol

[wet condor]

Like they're officially separate arcs, but same saga. That lines up with how people think of them

[hot cairn]

I can’t find it now but there was a ss from a review of Enies lobby back in the day that felt like if someone rated the arc today lol. I don’t think pre time skip arcs would be well received these days at all. People view them with nostalgia 100%

[formal wagon]

i wish yall had the same stigma about twitter yall do for piratefolk

[ashen perch]

I mean this is unironically what people still say

[wet condor]

But they never refer to them as different arcs?

[hot cairn]

they did yeah, I was trying to find that forum post but I can’t find it

[ashen perch]

I criticise piratefolk BECAUSE its the same people from Twitter

[wet condor]

If they don't then I stand corrected lol

[leaden rivet]

Honestly when watching I never thought that Enies lobby stood above and behind every arc like so many people said it did

[fast pagoda]

I sort by sagas not arcs

[hardy stratus]

The one ManstaMuncha posted?

[fast pagoda]

For the most part

[hardy stratus]

Of OP

[wraith mantle]

i mean, water 7 was 53 chapters, and EL was 56 chapters

[fast pagoda]

Drum Kingdom is a weird exception

[urban lodge]

Piratefolk is all the worst people from twitter, because twitter is still at least diverse

[wraith mantle]

you can pretty much call them arcs

[pulsar path]

I think that just depends on how much depth you need your villian's to have, also the true villain is kind spandam as well with the cp9 being. His "crew" I always found cp9 zanny and interesting, jabura had great gags and so did kaku while also having like the best fights in the series all of cp9 were weirdos, maybe not as good as BW or doffy family but there literally top tier

[urban lodge]

Piratefolk feels like a hivemind

[hot cairn]

yeah but they use it on Twitter too

[formal wagon]

doing good work then

[pulsar path]

I mean if we were to rank villian's groups

[wraith mantle]

also manga feels like a hivemind too

[dark nymph]

piratefolk is just a classic example of people becoming what they hate

[urban lodge]

How do you explain me hating Rocks then? Smh

[hot cairn]

I think so

[leaden rivet]

I think spandam and Rob lucci made for great villains, but I feel like the rest were more one not and less interesting

[wraith mantle]

some people hate rocks on piratefolks

[leaden rivet]

It can’t be a hive mind when me and Arsal exist at the same time in this place

[wet condor]

Also manga isn't a hivemind

[hot cairn]

eh that’s debatable

[urban lodge]

Probably because he lost aura too when he simped for Shakky, so they were never real fans

[dense haven]

yea yall are

[hardy stratus]

It's crazy that now Arsal is the voice of reason nowadays

[dense haven]

the same braincell wanking oda the entire day

[hardy stratus]

That's how bad this place has gotten

[leaden rivet]

Goro you’re hardly here smh

[wet condor]

I was gonna say, if you think that liking OP is a hivemind

[hardy stratus]

arsal used to be the shit OP takes guy

[wet condor]

Then uhh, I guess lol

[golden valley]

Hit or miss

[graceful belfry]

Yeah! still is

Joking

[ashen perch]

There's no distinction between the word used for saga/arc in Japanese so thats why its all considered the same.

They did make a subdivisions list for the first time a few years ago which as you can see, is quite different from how we view it.

[graceful belfry]

Arsal is great

[hardy stratus]

I agreed with him on 3 things just today

he's good takes guy now

[leaden rivet]

Might I remind you guys that Arsal still thinks every pre grandline strawhat is getting conquerors

[dense haven]

you didnt see whtn arsal was trashing elbaf

[ashen perch]

my takes were fine, Oda just wasnt

[golden valley]

Good cuz I do not separate W7 and EL lol

[dark nymph]

Krieg conq believer

[pulsar path]

I mean they had a much personality as any other villian's like each of the actually got there own gag and moment each other than. Maybe luccie

[dark nymph]

wait I read that as villains not shs

[graceful belfry]

Imagine not making distinctions based around storylines and sagas

Couldn’t be me

Have fun with your “arcs” tho

[hot cairn]

[ashen perch]

yeah, and it doesnt make any sense

[ashen perch]

this is an extremely reasonable take

[wet condor]

So there is a subdivision that they came out with lol

[ashen perch]

yeah, but its specifically island based music

lets be real, nobody is referring to chapter 2 as the Goat Island arc

[frail kindle]

You don't make any sense!

[hot cairn]

idk about that one dawg…

I don’t see Nami getting conquerors

[fast pagoda]

Piratefolk is only good as a shitpost sub

[golden valley]

Hence why Arsal is a hit or miss

[ashen perch]

try seeing it harder

[fast pagoda]

Nobody should ever take it seriously

Its criticisms are bad

[frail kindle]

More miss than hit

[ashen perch]

all my current theories are a lot more aligned with what I expect Oda to do, in Wano it was a lot like wishcasting

[hardy stratus]

It's half reasonable

[fast pagoda]

I wish I had a place I could write more criticisms and suggestions for what I would do again that isn't Piratefolk

[dark nymph]

thats how I treat it when scrolling the posts sometimes ye

[frail kindle]

I wonder if that's why I thought arsal was a girl at first, cause he misses so much

[dark nymph]

true one piece fan

[wet condor]

Okay but the only thing I was saying is that there is an official subdivision between the two, which people refer to as arcs. Us calling it an arc is our thing I guess, but it's still there, even if some of these subdivisions are kind of arbitrary

[ashen perch]

now I didnt think you were a dog at first, but you do bark a lot 😭

[wet condor]

I view them as one thing anywho

[ashen perch]

sorry ily glex

[hot cairn]

damn

[frail kindle]

I meow more

:3

[ashen perch]

cats better anyways

[golden valley]

Complete miss

[wet condor]

A 2 chapter subdivision is funny tho lol

Not even 2, it's a single chapter lol

[fast pagoda]

I still dont hate this idea

[ashen perch]

yeah the subdivisions just exist as information for the readers, not something defined by Oda. Oda views it as the sagas youre seeing there

[fast pagoda]

It was cool then its cool now

[leaden rivet]

Be so fr

[cosmic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-stare-the-office-angry-stare-unhappy-gif-7567463

[fast pagoda]

It doesn't suck to me

Sorry

[ashen perch]

I mean you just gotta prepare for it if you hate it now

[hot cairn]

sorry Cy

[fast pagoda]

Is it likely now? No

[hot cairn]

did you see the nami sakuga

[ashen perch]

it is happening.

[prisma yacht]

Usopp is fs getting conqs

[cosmic hamlet]

How can anyone not see nami showing signs of conquerors 😔

[leaden rivet]

Don’t be sorry

[cosmic hamlet]

The what?

[dark nymph]

last anime ep confirmed it

[ashen perch]

its not wishcasting, its not only something that I want to see. Its 100% happening

[pallid niche]

i love dogs but i have an irrational fear of them :<

[hot cairn]

the new episode, they went crazy with Nami

[cosmic hamlet]

I saw the clip, not the episode

[prisma yacht]

It's ok cyg doesn't bite

[cosmic hamlet]

Why is nami hair brown again? I forgot

[hot cairn]

I don’t hate the idea but idk if I see it happening to Nami

Sanji and Usopp I could see it

[ashen perch]

theres a pattern here with CoC

[dark nymph]

lighting

[ashen perch]

now I know, scary word

and it gets memed on here, theres even a command for it

[prisma yacht]

Bro why is dc 36/6

[fast pagoda]

Sorry

[pulsar path]

Yeah that's what the whole break between season was for for NamI quality increase

[ashen perch]

but the pattern is very real

[cosmic hamlet]

Lightning?

[dark nymph]

that too

[fringe escarp]

Black?

[hardy stratus]

!pattern

[ashen perch]

The idea of a SH getting CoC first gets mentioned in a comedic fashion, as a gag and then it turns out that the gag actually was just foreshadowing after all.

[hardy stratus]

!patterns

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[cosmic hamlet]

But i see usopp mustache as orange

[ashen perch]

thats the pattern we're dealing with here

[fringe escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-ryuo-conquerors-armament-haki-gif-13664708633471143696

[prisma yacht]

-aura

[urban lodge]

As long as Usopp doesn't get conquerors

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[cosmic hamlet]

I forgot, who is the one talking to luffy?

[fast pagoda]

I think Sanji getting conquerors is inevitable

[hardy stratus]

Yamato

talking about Oden

[ashen perch]

Zoro had his gag in Onigashima, when Kaido lifted the island up and Brook joked about him having CoC. Fast forward to Kaido v Zoro and he actually ends up getting it.

Sanji just had his gag with Gaban, we all know where this is heading for him very soon!

Usopp and Nami have also had this type of gag. With Usopp, he has had it twice, twice he has lied about having CoC as part of a gag even. What could that mean I wonder? If we keep up with that pattern.

[urban lodge]

Yeah Sanji is guaranteed

[cosmic hamlet]

Ohh

[fast pagoda]

and if someone else on the crew gets it, it would be Nami and Usopp

[hardy stratus]

So all Original

[fast pagoda]

But thats like a 30% chance thing to me

[hardy stratus]

SHs

Yeah It's likely

[prisma yacht]

We also see usopp use his wizard skills

[hardy stratus]

idk if that would be good or not

[distant vine]

I cant even make a defense for Haki I just look at the Devil Fruit guys like this

[prisma yacht]

This very arc

[vale heath]

Mimzee

[ashen perch]

I think Jinbe could have it tbh but I am very certain about the originals

[fast pagoda]

Hakislop

[ashen perch]

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Usopp and Nami

[fast pagoda]

Nah he's in his 40s

[wet condor]

That boat has sailed

[urban lodge]

Ah right, he used his mind powers to get freed from the arrows

[distant vine]

Cant believe we're seriously discussing Usopp and Nami COC

[wet condor]

But I believed that many years ago

[fast pagoda]

If Jinbe had it, he would have used it

[ashen perch]

nothing has sailed, I think Akainu got his CoC during the timeskip

[wet condor]

The anime was even teasing about it lol

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-picardia-emoji-joecoin-gif-473651771238466514

[dark nymph]

I believe in Nami conq more than Usopp conq

[distant vine]

Its so over for the power system

[ashen perch]

the age is irrelevant

[thick maple]

Do u think Kuzan has it too

[hardy stratus]

Due to SHs getting CoC?

[urban lodge]

When I said that I got called ageist 😔

[fast pagoda]

It's still more likely to me hes always had it but didnt want to use it during marienford

[distant vine]

If more of them get it yeah

[hardy stratus]

How so?

How would it have any effect on power system what so ever

[distant vine]

Because thats bad and dumb

[hardy stratus]

??????

[distant vine]

And therefore devalues COC

[fast pagoda]

Just give Robin, Chopper and Brook armament first

and give Nami observation

[thick maple]

It was over long ago

[distant vine]

If everyone is a Conqueror nobody is...

[ashen perch]

possible, but Vivre Cards confirm that he doesnt have it back then fwiw.

[ashen perch]

no its not

[ashen perch]

no it doesnt

[dark nymph]

Just make Usopp use what he already showed he has (observation)

[hardy stratus]

It still falls in the statistics of 1 in the million and w/e

[ashen perch]

no thats not true

[hardy stratus]

these are special people in the story

[fast pagoda]

Vivre Cards can be wrong

[hardy stratus]

This hasn't ever been a series lonh underdog narrative

[ashen perch]

yeah I know but still, I wouldnt be surprised if he had his bloom during his fight with Kuzan

[fast pagoda]

I dont think any vivre cards listed garp with it either

[fast pagoda]

ACoC sure

[urban lodge]

The most recent vivre card didn't even list Zoro as having it

Vivre cards suck

[ashen perch]

yeah neither does Mihawk's but I assumed in their cases it was just them hiding it

we can assume that both of them had it, unlike Akainu

[grand flower]

This is probably cause I tend to think of dissecting the story from a standpoint that leans more academic, but I feel like “flaw” should be at a higher standard of “the story being told cant work with this happening”

[fast pagoda]

I dont see why they wouldnt still hide it for Sakazuki

[ashen perch]

I dont think he got a post ts card but I will have to check

[hardy stratus]

The closer you are at the top, the more powerful people would be the only ones there.
The more top people would have Conquerors

[fast pagoda]

Him not using it in Marineford can easily be explained by him not wanting to knock out the marine footsoldiers

[ashen perch]

Chinjao literally says this

[ashen perch]

would've been useful to stop Mr.3 from freeing Ace though

[hardy stratus]

Yeah I am using direct statements because any sort of direct implications is dickriding here

[fast pagoda]

Mr. 3 is too him

He wouldnt get knocked out

[ashen perch]

he did get knocked out by Luffy's CoC 😭

[latent hamlet]

Thats not Luffy that's Joyboy

[hardy stratus]

MF's statement of Luffy having conquerors is more of showing Luffy isn't just another no name (for them) rather than "Oh no CoC is super duper extremely rare. Rarer than what we have heard of"

[ashen perch]

Chinjao even straight up tells him that he's not that special for having CoC in the New World

[hardy stratus]

Any captain who is strong enough to get to New World had CoC

[ashen perch]

saying that theres COUNTLESS like him

[fast pagoda]

He was just taking a nap

[hardy stratus]

even if they don't realize it

[wet condor]

Well, he lied about that lol

[fast pagoda]

I mean its still one in a million

I dont think he meant countless

He just means it gets much more common in the new world

[grand flower]

It’s like when gifted kids go to an ivy league school

[wet condor]

Or is being hyperbolic. But having Conq at the very tip top. Yeah, it's a dime a dozen

[ashen perch]

I assume he meant theres many in the new world basically, that its common there

[grand flower]

You stood out in general population

[fast pagoda]

Its definitely still not common

[hardy stratus]

Exactly

[grand flower]

You’re not gonna stand out in areas other gifted kids get concentrated to

[wet condor]

Literally every person has got it

[hardy stratus]

our actual world has very bad worldbuilding

Eclipse is a bad worldbuilding

[wet condor]

Who's capable of becoming Pirate King

[hardy stratus]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I-GpS5PCcLc

[grand flower]

You’re telling me Alexander the Great just so happened to be the son of powerful ruler Philip II? Nepo Piece much

[grand rain]

This is break week right

[grand flower]

Yup

[fast pagoda]

I think hes just being hyperbolic

[wet condor]

Oh damn, he said that almost bar for bar

[grand rain]

[thick maple]

Yeah lotm worldbuilding better

[ashen perch]

Ofc its hyperbole, but the idea is that as you get closer to Pirate King, the more youre faced with these so called Supreme Kings. Only the ones that can conquer the conquerors is the Pirate King.

[dense haven]

yea dude what are the chances we have a planet in the perfect habitable zonein solar system with a gas giant to protect from asteroids and enough luck to develop abiogenesis

[fast pagoda]

Yeah thats definitely true

[hardy stratus]

I feel like its creator has a really inconsistent theme and setting. At one point, people change the colors of a plant called the carrot to demonstrate patriotism. But in the same region a few centuries later, there's a bunch of people dying ridiculously brutal deaths. Make up your mind, is this comedic, or grim?

I love the dinosaurs - huge reptilian monsters are great. But killing them all off in pre-history before the characters are even alive? Some of them should have survived somewhere.

[wet condor]

It's literally just real life lol

[dense haven]

also we have a moon at a perfect distance from the sun to have a perfect eclipse?

thats bs

the writer isn't even trying

@formal wagon is a gary stu

[hardy stratus]

The magic system is all out of whack. I mean, you have all these ‘prophet’ characters running around, and their magics seem to have no rhyme or reason.

for example, you have a guy that can walk on water and turn it into wine, so you think, “Sure, water powers.” But then he suddenly cures blindness and comes back from the dead? It’s so inconsistent.

there are other characters I missed, but there have been so many books written about this one class that it gets tedious to read them all

[thick maple]

We need an earth update where owning a cat is mandatory for everyone otherwise you're forcefully logged out

[dark nymph]

cats already trying to achieve that in turkey

[wet condor]

Exceptional people tend to have exceptional children. And people who're exceptional generally have exceptional forebears

[grand flower]

Theres op fans who’ll talk about nepo piece then go watch game of thrones

[thick maple]

Damn there is real science behind me being the goat

[wet condor]

I mean I don't even care if it's nepo piece. Call that if you want. I'm supposed to be disgruntled about the story being a reflection of real life?

[prisma yacht]

Does

/s mean serious

[fallen meteor]

@formal wagon

[thick maple]

Yes

[prisma yacht]

[grand flower]

Isn’t bloodlines super common in fantasy too

[hardy stratus]

Isn't it in real life too

special people have special children

[wet condor]

I mean I'm sure. I don't read all that much fantasy really. Unless you count like folktales

[hardy stratus]

which if they don't work to realize their specialty, they suffer

[thick maple]

Goro is gonna start talking about the Rockefellers next

[hardy stratus]

Meh

it would slowly reach r4 territory

Or w/e is the no politics rule

Any underdog story is wish fulfillment bs anyway

[dark nymph]

underdog stories exist in real life too

fun to celebrate those with such stories irl

[dense haven]

got was a nepo story from the start while op started being about inherited will and shit

thats why people dont like nepo piece now

[hardy stratus]

Inherited Will has been the core theme from since first major arc man

Everyone who knows D or Roger has mentioned about D being dangerous or luffy connection to Roger

This is just skill issue on the reader

[runic dock]

Luffy won’t be related to joyboy so it’s fine

Joyboy will have shanks red hair

[thick maple]

[hardy stratus]

For Shanks to be the Child of Destiny?

Both things work well

[runic dock]

What other possible reason is there for shanks significant red hair

[runic dock]

And of course that mainly

[unkempt sable]

I have no problems with nepo piece because everything they do still feels earned

[hardy stratus]

I have no problem because it was never an underdog narrative and those are wish fulfillment bs

[unkempt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-marshall-d-teach-anime-cute-gif-27533781

[hardy stratus]

For every successful underdog story irl there's thousands of other failed ones

And separating them is nothing but luck

Which is just Fate

which again brings it back to Underdog story being wish fulfillment bs

[runic dock]

Idk in what respect people classify luffy as an underdog , when he has the same backstory as most anyone else , sort of orphan from a bum town (not significant of an underdog ) and can easily beat people up as soon as he starts his journey

[proud pivot]

who here read only the manga, and didnt watch the anime?

[hardy stratus]

We don't even know about sort of orphan lol

[hardy stratus]

Like even in flashback it could be just carefree parent

[grand flower]

The chapters name

Was inherited will

I knew the result was gonna be funny

But sheesh

[runic dock]

Yeah , He has family anyway they just left him alone mostly lol

[grand flower]

If you hate OP now becausw of inherited will

[hardy stratus]

It's 1000 chapters too late

[rustic coral]

Yess

[dense haven]

yea I guess roger starting the age of pirates doesn't mean anything right

[hardy stratus]

Because due to that a guy who inherited Roger's will came along?

Luffy wouldn't be pirate if not for meeting Shanks

if not for the whole era of pirates

[dense haven]

literally every single pirate who sailed because roger inspired them to?

[runic dock]

More than an underdog story I think this is a story about freedom and what it truly means , and how fate affects that freedom , and what greed and power does to a society via corruption (in more of a metaphorical way than imu just used it, but he is also re iterating some themes)

[hardy stratus]

The biggest boom in piracy occurred due to Roger yes

It's a point they make

Nvm

[proper karma]

👀

[dense haven]

bro pinged the same person

[hardy stratus]

Sorry I pinged the wrong person

[proper karma]

no stress

cheers!

[thick jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-cat-bingus-slow-gif-22009132

[hardy stratus]

Cheers

[proper karma]

[dense haven]

@proper karma did you like the chapter

[hardy stratus]

Ye

[proper karma]

idk brev, haven't caught up to it yet

works been too crazy

[proper karma]

[prisma yacht]

Neko

[grand flower]

What

[alpine trench]

spice has perfected the passive ragebait mixture

[runic dock]

ikr

[prisma yacht]

_ _
_ _

[stray prism]

👅

[tidal ice]

💅

[grand flower]

I’m glad I’m not alone in being unsure why he said that to me

[pseudo gulch]

It only works if you don't know who he is

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-wisest-to-go-with-the-flow-governor-de-leon-stags-don't-ask-questions-do-as-your-told-gif-7196976282114396701

[alpine trench]

i mean it worked now

[pseudo gulch]

Once you know spice you just take everything he says as ragebait and move on

[hardy stratus]

[brittle basin]

No chapter.

🙁

What do?

[pseudo gulch]

Read Kagurabachi

[hardy stratus]

Complete Nevernight?

He's reading actual books

not fake books

[pseudo gulch]

Reading actual books

One Piece server

[hardy stratus]

Yeah we are exclusively on westernseries

[brittle basin]

i haven't read this week, was sick

almost better

[hardy stratus]

Ohh take care

Nice

get even well soon

[brittle basin]

then i finish book 2 eventually-ish

thanks

[brittle basin]

Yeah I'm reading actual good stories, not One Piece.

[pseudo gulch]

I'm glad we can all agree One Piece sucks

[rose rune]

I also read the twilight series

[hardy stratus]

Real

tho jokes aside, its hard to top OP with these shitty books fr

Epic fantasy is a washed genre of books

[rose rune]

I dunno. I love a good sci fi book

[hardy stratus]

What's your favorite scifi writer

Also read Way Station by Clifford D Simak

[urban epoch]

those are pretty good books

[rose rune]

I wouldn't know. I lied for the comedic effect

[urban epoch]

Tbh idk either, my fiancée said theyre good

so

[rose rune]

The first movie is funny as fuck tho

[hardy stratus]

I find them to be p problematic

but if you just view it as a escapist lens, its fun ig

[rose rune]

I honestly don't have an answer for that

[hardy stratus]

First 3 fav scifi books you can think of

[rose rune]

Sirens of titan, babel 17, armor

First ones that popped into my head

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2048761581111296434

Art D. jin🆖️ (C*OMMS OPEN) (@Artjin2815091)

THE SUn

X · Apr 27, 2026, 1:49 PM

[hardy stratus]

Only know Babel 17 from those

That's the Delany one right

[rose rune]

Yeah

Armor is kinda pulpy, and the author died, but it was a blast to read

John steakly

Sirens of titan is vonnegut

The timequake guy

[hardy stratus]

I know vonnegaut

[rose rune]

I also really liked the moon is a harsh mistress

[hardy stratus]

You should definitely read Way Station

[rose rune]

Maybe, but I have a pile of books to get through already

Last one I read was velocity weapon. It was a fun book

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-puppet-vampire-bite-gif-15285670

[runic dock]

No they’re not

[lofty fern]

Most One Piece Fans won't even know who these two are 😭

[urban epoch]

I wouldn't know

[brittle basin]

[upbeat yarrow]

someone knows ball in here

have you read hyperion, thigh?

[rose rune]

No, I haven't

[brittle basin]

TIME TO VOTE TIME TO VOTE TIME TO VOTE

[rose rune]

Oh yeah. I should vote

[urban epoch]

The global vote still going on?

[rose rune]

The vote never ends

[tawny kraken]

hurm? do these keep chaning or wud?

[urban epoch]

might as well go vote

[rose rune]

Oh fuck. I forgot about gateway. That book was as also pretty good