also-manga

[blazing depot]

This will be One Piece graphics in 2013

[ashen perch]

ahh

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/marcograndfleet/status/2048413731994951754?s=46

guy who complains about no more pre-ts moments complains about pre-ts moments

𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐨 (@MarcoGrandFleet)

Finally the boring 3 episodes are over, NOW WE GET TO BUSINESS.

WELCOME TO ELBAPH ARC.

X · Apr 26, 2026, 2:47 PM

[ashen perch]

many such cases

[pseudo gulch]

Who's gonna tell him

[digital spear]

Mailbox favorite covers

[ashen perch]

there's so many like, Shanks illustrations in the film red part

I remember there being many but there really is a LOT

[distant vine]

We ALL love her

[rose rune]

for some reason this gave me this kind of wibe

[formal wagon]

who is all

[ashen perch]

true

[blazing depot]

Bowser gif

[digital spear]

NINTENDO POWER

[brittle basin]

That's a shit-eating grin if I ever saw one.

[digital spear]

oh

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-who-i'm-talking-gif-9583850154851326480

[trim lily]

i can’t believe oda didn’t find a way to shove luffy into the rocks cover

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/anne-wednesday-bowser-princess-peach-mario-wonder-flirt-gif-878163609362996394

[rose rune]

hey look YC! it's you!

[thick mango]

thats like a 70% nami matchup iirc

[blazing depot]

Now that I have a 9-5 and don’t have to stress about classes maybe I should play the TCG

[digital spear]

wow! me and my brother...

[trim lily]

waste all your disposable income on booster packs

[blazing depot]

We ALL murdered those penguins in Mario 64

[ashen perch]

I think Oda might like this guy.

not sure

[rose rune]

... we did 😔

[trim lily]

he liked him so much he made two of him

[lofty fern]

Shanks overload

Needs more Shamrock

[blazing depot]

Zach Scott games… if you know you know

He has a vision for this world

[hazy turret]

You think the kid law kaido one was bad but this is good??

[ashen perch]

yes

[urban lodge]

It's definitely better than that one

[brittle basin]

proof BB will not kill him /s

[ashen perch]

the composition works better

[hazy turret]

No it doesn’t

It’s way more cluttered

[lofty fern]

More sham and shanks

[urban lodge]

The colors are also nicer

[ashen perch]

not at all, its only 3 characters, and its a lot better to look at

[digital spear]

composition is better but worse colors and characters

[trim lily]

oda really hit it out of the park with shamrock, fan artists carrying the torch

shanks is alright

[hazy turret]

That are all covering/covered by each other

[digital spear]

volume 104 somehow manages to look convoluted with only 3 characters

[hazy turret]

Are we forgetting that it looks like hiyori is eating a hot dog

[digital spear]

LOL

[ashen perch]

I dont see it

[keen falcon]

It kinda does

[digital spear]

shes forced to eat it 😭

[trim lily]

the symbolic wano hotdog

[digital spear]

Hiyori when shes forced to eat the evil hotdog on fire that turns her racist in 2 chapters 😭 😭 😭

[ashen perch]

also they are not covering each other's faces lol, you can see them all clearly

[trim lily]

many such cases

[rose rune]

me when my boyfriend and I had a fight and I just want to watch sad movies and eat

[lofty fern]

Best twins

[formal wagon]

holy peak

[ashen perch]

idk what kind of hot dogs have you guys been eating

but they tend to not have flame clouds and scales all over them

[rose rune]

hotdogs burning hot with passion

[keen falcon]

Skill issue

[hazy turret]

You can see them but hiyori is still covered by both Luffy and momo. Not to mention all that empty space in the top left corner is unsettling

[digital spear]

ayo who cares new day new wordle

[ashen perch]

id rather have empty space than Oda forcing in characters to cover it

[trim lily]

is it supposed to pair up with another volume

[hazy turret]

It’s balanced though

[trim lily]

or is it just weirdly asymmetrical

[hazy turret]

There are dozens of other volumes that Oda DOES force characters into

[digital spear]

which one now

104 isnt a double one

[trim lily]

reminds me of luffy being forced into the egghead off island one

[ashen perch]

and I am not a fan of those usually

[graceful belfry]

I’m not a fan of this one’s composition

[ashen perch]

I think Oda has done multi character covers well usually, but theres like 10 that would benefit a lot from empty space

[trim lily]

oda doesnt like empty space in general it seems

[ashen perch]

like I understand the urge to include the SHs

[brittle basin]

fun

[ashen perch]

but this is better if its just Nightmare Luffy and Moria and the background

[hazy turret]

This one sucks

[blazing depot]

Orange Kuma

Now you cannot unsee it

[digital spear]

I meant dolfius

[brittle basin]

Clone Piece™ strikes again.

[hazy turret]

Tch

[blazing depot]

Nusjuro is not the Thinker

[ashen perch]

would be better with just the villains

[digital spear]

evil thinker

[ashen perch]

so much better even

[digital spear]

Egghead didnt have enough chapters for a full villain full heroes one

[hazy turret]

He’s the stinker, amiright

[trim lily]

oh i don’t remember

[ashen perch]

tonally its just a mess, youve got the Gorosei trying their hardest to look messy, while these guys in the middle are so cheery and bright

it doesnt work

we already had a cheery and bright cover before this

[pulsar timber]

Oda should just learn from his superior Kubo

[ashen perch]

this one is just

character spam

[urban lodge]

I mean... Kubo does some pretty nice covers

[ashen perch]

Oda's usually more creative with how he includes characters

but he just had no ideas here lmao

[graceful belfry]

Single character, aura farm covers

[ashen perch]

I actually prefer Oda's covers

[icy wolf]

Bleach is mid

[atomic spindle]

The chapter where Mihawk used the same sword attack as Imu is called Luffy vs Mihawk

[ashen perch]

but there's just some examples where Oda could be doing less

[brittle basin]

GODA
GODA?!

[graceful belfry]

🤯

[wet condor]

I know what you are

[thick mango]

feels a little empty to me could use some characters in the top left and right

[icy wolf]

i never thought the op volume covers are crazy good but they arent bad at all

[rose rune]

if you like his artstyle maybe

[icy wolf]

i dont really care about any of them tho

[atomic spindle]

Mihawk is a devil

[rose rune]

I never liked it

[stone terrace]

Op volumes are some of the best ones

But some are mid yea

[digital spear]

me when the chapter where Luffy fights Mihawk is called Luffy vs Mihawk

[icy wolf]

jjk has the best volume covers

and csm

[wet condor]

You guys talking about the the volume covers?

[brittle basin]

Oda is an incredible artist, but it's expected not everything will be perfect.

[wet condor]

I don't buy the manga volumes but I do like them

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gif-22472645

[atomic spindle]

What's the title of the latest chapter?

[icy wolf]

i dont really remember many op volume covers let me have a look

[atomic spindle]

We getting another Mihawk upscale

[wet condor]

what're you saying Buffy? I gotta buy 'em?

[stone terrace]

I do plan on buying some

[ashen perch]

character spam cover done right

[thick mango]

if they put out english volumes in color id buy that probably

[graceful belfry]

Oda maximizes the cover space. It can look cluttered sometimes but when he gets the composition right, which he usually does, it looks great

[icy wolf]

the covers are cool but i much prefer covers with one character

[brittle basin]

straight to jail otherwise.

[ashen perch]

also a big fan of this one

[wet condor]

I only prefaced it with that because I don't know what they look like irl

But I mean what I see in here, they look good

[brittle basin]

My ideal is larger hardcover multi-volumes like Berserk. But in b&w.

[ashen perch]

this is where Oda peaked

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[ashen perch]

imo

[icy wolf]

i got the berserk hardcover stuff for christmas its awesome

[stone terrace]

I have the berserk set

[icy wolf]

but i never got around to reading yet

[stone terrace]

It looks pretty on a shelf

[brittle basin]

Ah, this is a fun one.

[stone terrace]

But not much going on otherwise

[brittle basin]

I have a few of the Berserk big volumes. 10/10 quality

[stone terrace]

When curious people are over your house and look at the first few pages of volume 1

https://tenor.com/view/calm-gif-8293915206003753096

[ashen perch]

Oda's magazine covers are really really cool too

[ashen perch]

just buy the color walks

[brittle basin]

No, he means the colored manga in printed form.

[ashen perch]

youre getting ALL of Oda's original color illustrations, none of the shueisha stuff

I know yeah

but I hate Shueisha's colored illustrations

[brittle basin]

I think he just wants to read the manga in color.

like a personal preference thing.

the color walks are great though

[ashen perch]

oh yeah thats just not happening

Greg explained it once

[thick mango]

i dont really care about the art in the vaccuum i would want the actual chapters

[ashen perch]

its just not possible, they dont want to invest in something that big

gotcha

[thick mango]

i mean i guess theres no market for it? But it really doesnt seem like an impossible task at all

[brittle basin]

if there is ever profit in it, they might. but i don't have the info they do

[ashen perch]

it was a while ago I suppose

OP wasnt as big worldwide?

but there wasnt a lot of interest in Japan atleast

[stone terrace]

It would be wildly expensive to produce probably

[ashen perch]

thats the issue yeah

which would make wildly expensive to buy

[thick mango]

i guess it is a high bar that you not only need people willing to buy it you need people who would buy this but wouldnt buy the b&w. And those people need to be enough to cover the cost of coloring

[ashen perch]

which not many would be interested in!

[thick mango]

id pay a lot but i cant carry the economies of scale alone

[ashen perch]

the digital comics started as a project for the digital devices

they were never meant for print

[hazy turret]

This is the critic’s choice cover I think

[graceful belfry]

Yeah lol

[hazy turret]

Acclaimed even

[ashen perch]

They existed so people could read manga on their phones and laptops, smaller devices basically

where the panels werent clear to them

[digital spear]

God and Devil

[hazy turret]

Oh yeah officials out

[warm sierra]

getting the anime now and revisiting legoland and actually seeing how its like a microcosm of the actual elbaph arc is kinda awesome

[lofty fern]

Luffy looking so much like his Daddy. Dragon would be proud

[topaz mortar]

🤙🏻 I’m chilling, just slowly being crushed by the impending doom of being out of college and unemployed in a few weeks

[fallen meteor]

low key funny

[digital spear]

Vemqi in chat ‼️

[atomic spindle]

Luffy vs Mihawk
Mihawk might have some techniques related to Maki

[brittle basin]

[digital spear]

you will make it

[fallen meteor]

luffy all fucked up bleeding busted just got a beat down
"looking so much like dragon"

[topaz mortar]

Job market got me fucked up I fear

[lofty fern]

Luffy only has one dad, so of course he's the best

[topaz mortar]

But I will persist

[brittle basin]

The best when you don't have a second dad to compare to. 5d chess

[trim lily]

unless he had two…

crocodile it’s time to step up

[fallen meteor]

[lofty fern]

One saved shanks and the other hurt vivi...I think we all know which one Luffy would choose

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-alabasta-vivi-punch-gif-11907289

[thick mango]

i wonder if live action will feel the need to cut this

[trim lily]

genuinely had to think for a second of when crocodile saved shanks

[brittle basin]

punch her harder in the LA

[trim lily]

i forgot dragon did that lol

[lofty fern]

So much like his dad 🩷

[graceful belfry]

Officials cooked this week

[digital spear]

it would kinda fit to the random things he did in marineford

[trim lily]

no one attacked shanks in marineford because they feared crocodile’s wrath

[hazy turret]

The trinity thing was a little more confusing in officials lol

[topaz mortar]

I like dominion over domination

But still cool

[hazy turret]

Vemqi in chat, hello long time

[icy wolf]

good panelling this week

[hazy turret]

I think I’d have to agree

[digital spear]

yeah I understood it in tcb but not anymore

[hazy turret]

I kept reading dominion over domination

[dense haven]

domain expansion

[lofty fern]

I don't think it was ever dominion

[fallen meteor]

so true spice

i dont like dominion or domination because it makes me think of the jailer #wow #games

[hazy turret]

I think it’s the same idea still but worded in a way that’s less straightforward

At least I hope so, I kept rereading it over and over

[royal orchid]

rewatching enies lobby
this smile looks familiar

[digital spear]

gulp

[warm sierra]

why would Imu talk straightforward though

[brittle basin]

"all your base are belong to us"

[digital spear]

nerona lucci

[warm sierra]

it fits the old english shtick

[fallen meteor]

oh yeah let me check imu's mustache on officials

[lofty fern]

Huh, I thought Viz actually did a better job in the explanation

mustache?

[digital spear]

what does it mean or is it just the same as in tcb and im dumb

[warm sierra]

his lips look like a mustache

[royal orchid]

I mean come on

[fallen meteor]

there it is

[ashen perch]

lmk the episode number because I do remember a panel like that too lol

[topaz mortar]

The omen part is the only one I find a little confusing in officials

[royal orchid]

293

[lofty fern]

People aren't ready for people that have full lips in anime

[royal orchid]

around the tail end

[digital spear]

wasnt that when he smiled at spandam being a dumbass

[fallen meteor]

nothing about that
its just that panel

[royal orchid]

luffy was running down to him and spandex + robin while screaming robin's name

[graceful belfry]

Corruption, covenants, and the power of omen form the trinity of dominion/domination that define Imu’s power. “God’s Domination,” as Loki calls it. I find it to be relatively straightforward in both translations

[lofty fern]

At least they're not Greenbull lips

[fallen meteor]

legit looking like freddie mercury on this panel

[ashen perch]

oh its just this lol

[digital spear]

oh yeah he was excited for Luffy

[urban lodge]

They'll never make me hate Lucci

[fallen meteor]

from the portuguese translation server

[graceful belfry]

Lucci is a great villain

[lofty fern]

Lucci's awesome. Imu's best soldier

[fallen meteor]

its so bright

[lofty fern]

So clear and pretty

[hazy turret]

That Imu’s got an ability called domination, and it’s got 3 components to it. Corruption (domi reversi), covenant (that binding tattoo) and power (omen, which lurks in everything)

[royal orchid]

imu finding the perfect angle to make their muscles pop

[hazy turret]

That is how I’m choosing to understand it, if it’s wrong IDC

Is omen supposed to be like haki

[digital spear]

maki

[fallen meteor]

i think the japanese is like

maki

[lofty fern]

You know what would be hilarious? If his spiked bracers work like he's in DBZ and if he breaks off one, he gets even more powerful

[hazy turret]

Wtf is maki

[lofty fern]

Think of it as the dark side of the force while haki is the light side

[royal orchid]

omen

[fallen meteor]

didnt even see he had those 😮

[hazy turret]

Ohhhhhh my goooooood

Oda no

[dark nymph]

omen = evil haki

[fallen meteor]

haki is willpower and maki is power of will

[royal orchid]

oda made evil haki

[fallen meteor]

🙂

[urban lodge]

Power of hate

[dark nymph]

its like haki, but evil

[fallen meteor]

@Will 's power

[urban lodge]

Gear death is so real

[lofty fern]

Haki is your own ambition and will, while Maki is demonic power and will

[hazy turret]

But willpower is willpower regardless of good or bad intentions

Will to do good, will to do bad

[ashen perch]

The JP word for Omen is Maki, which is Haki but written with the first kanji replaced by the kanji for Demon, "Ma" instead of "Ha"

[pulsar timber]

Omen feeds into the human desire for strength at all costs

[digital spear]

everyone who has been using haki until now has been a good character

[pulsar timber]

Sacrificing everything for it

[hazy turret]

But he says it’s something that lurks within everything

[digital spear]

this is why half the strawhats will learn maki instead of haki. they are evil

[ashen perch]

Haki (覇気) has the kanji of 覇 (Ha), meaning "Supreme," "Conqueror," or "Hegemon."
Omen/Maki (魔気) has 魔 (Ma), meaning "Demon," "Devil," or "Evil Spirit."

[pulsar timber]

Yeah. The innate desire for strength lurks in everything

[ashen perch]

Well no...

[hazy turret]

But haki resides in everything too

Is it just a battle between willpower and desire?

[ashen perch]

Yeah they both do

[urban lodge]

If that's true then why haven't we seen animals with haki yet? Rayleigh is a LIAR

[warm sierra]

we havent seen anyone tap into maki before though while we have much more commonly with haki

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/kungfudugong-gif-19905772

[ashen perch]

I imagine Ragnir has Haki

[graceful belfry]

Omen seems to be exclusively tied to Imu’s power. Thinking of it as literal demonic energy that lies dormant within all things, able to be pulled out by Imu, would be apt. Obviously meant to parallel Haki, but I don’t consider it to have any broad, moral implications

[lofty fern]

This is correct, just as Imu can use maki or haki. Even people in SW can use both the light and dark sides, its just all about which side they use more

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-1151-nika-gear-5-egghead-gif-4029271771132426112

remember when bonney went gear 4

[graceful belfry]

Do you like Viz or TCB’s translation betta?

[digital spear]

what

he just says crruption

[hazy turret]

Corruption is how to easily gain power

[digital spear]

I wish he talked proper

[thick mango]

corruption is the result of gaining power too easily

[royal orchid]

when power so lusted after is too easily gained: corruption*!!*

[digital spear]

Imu talks like a toddler who learned hard wordws

[lofty fern]

More than likely. Haki is more like "I did it out of my own will and ambition and achieved my goals" where as Maki is more " I did whatever I needed to do, took any shortcut needed, pledged myself to whoever I needed to, to gain more power" All people have the capacity to do both, but you have the ability to make that decision.

[hazy turret]

I think my question now would be is it true the other way around, can other people use maki too? I think if it’s just an Imu exclusive thing it would be fine.

[pulsar timber]

Viz

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, I mostly prefer Viz asw

[lofty fern]

Put all the lines together to make a full sentence...

[digital spear]

I wonder if Imu got these three abilities just from the devils fruit

[graceful belfry]

Likely

[hazy turret]

Like I think this would be fine, it wouldn’t have to make us go back in the story and reconsider things

[digital spear]

wait let me look at german viz

[lofty fern]

I assume that they are tapping into maki every time they accept Imu's contracts. That's why Harald said that he wasn't taken over, more so a dark part of him was made manifest. It reveals the darker parts that everyone is capable of

[hazy turret]

But that’s the thing for me though, maki would be an extension of haki if that were the case. Can you not just say that person was so ambitious and determined to do something that he sold his soul

[digital spear]

its just as bad there

fuck my life

[hazy turret]

Hmm

Brain hurt

[hazy turret]

That seems to be it. The sentences prior to (corruption, covenant, power) is him basically explaining what they are

[digital spear]

ok at least they say choosing servitude out of self interest THROUGH a covenant

[pulsar timber]

No because there’s no contract

[warm sierra]

I dont think thats so hard to put together yourself imo

[digital spear]

I just wish he connected those 3 things within proper sentences. this is triggering me

[pulsar timber]

Omen is just the power you get when you sell your soul to the devil. The emotion/desire to do so lies in all things according to imu

The devil isn’t exactly active in one piece so no one has access to it

[balmy lava]

don't be hasty is a good message

[lofty fern]

I think the source changes since Maki distinctly is envoking demonic power. And the idea is that the power is not truely your own. You're making a shortcut to power, but that means that whatever you're tapping into is not fully you. you're borrowing power...demonic power. Maki has the addition of making a deal with the devil that haki doesn't have, wether you're a good or bad person

[urban lodge]

Robin doing the speed face

[thick mango]

its the opposite of haki right you dont need to train you dont need to believe in your own will. You sell away your own will to someone else to get the power for free/instantly

[warm sierra]

it also seems like Imu has to bestow maki directly and you dont just have it with the covenant?

[pulsar timber]

Seems like it yes

[digital spear]

I honestly like this panel

[pulsar timber]

I hate joyboy

[lofty fern]

I think you may, you just don't get direct access. Maybe that access increases the higher your covenant

[digital spear]

oh yeah thats true. dont take shortcuts...

[pulsar timber]

Take shortcuts

[spice python]

Jika will bestow jaki

[warm sierra]

it didnt really feel like the Elders had omen in egghead tbh and if they just could idk why they wouldnt have the mission was so important

[lofty fern]

Like the HKs only get the bare bones and Imu has to give them more, kind of like being drip-fed. But the Elders don't need that and can manifest a bit on their own

[digital spear]

Imu wasnt there

I think Imu can only give omen in presence

[topaz mortar]

i think omen manifests itself in different ways

[warm sierra]

yes thats what Im arguing

[topaz mortar]

it seems to do kind of whatever imu wants it to

[digital spear]

oh yeah

[topaz mortar]

but i think its all the same source of power for elders and god's knights, they're just making use of it differently

[digital spear]

so which one of those 3 powers are the abyss and lets you turn into crazy yokai

[lofty fern]

They might have, but just not in Imu-level amounts. It could be what all that black fire is. Gunko has black fire too

[topaz mortar]

i think they also probably have devil fruits tho

since the knights do i dont see why they can't

[lofty fern]

If they have DFs, I think Oda would have just told us

[scenic dirge]

IST ES NICHT SO?!?!? JOY BOOOOOOY!!!!

[pulsar timber]

Imu probably gifted them fruits with his powers

[honest garden]

Good to hear-ish. The feeling when you are employed and start earning real money is gonna be nice (or so I hear)

[hazy turret]

That makes more sense. So yeah as long as it’s an Imu specific thing it fine I suppose

[honest garden]

Do yous think omen is gonna be like an extra fruit power?

[pulsar timber]

Extra fruit power?

[graceful belfry]

It’s honestly kind of insane to think about lol

[lofty fern]

N'est-ce pas?!
French supremecy

[balmy lava]

this is an interesting concept, because it basically is saying envying the power of another can movitate you to obtain more power. This ties in with the other parts of domination. This is getting into the seven deady sins with domination (Envy, Lust and Greed.)

[topaz mortar]

i think its something different entirely

[digital spear]

Imu straight up has his own power system

[scenic dirge]

I'm taking German in school so I have to rep my Deutschers

[hazy turret]

Germaboo

[sweet anvil]

Lmao

[topaz mortar]

maybe the existence of omen drove devil fruits to be created in opposition

[lofty fern]

It's all dark side stuff. Coveting, envy, shortcuts to power, lusting after strength

[digital spear]

Lets gooo we can talk in german soon

[hazy turret]

Oda ripping off the Bible ONCE AGAIN

[pulsar timber]

Most broken power in the series for sure.

[digital spear]

Does Imu have the evil version of this

[scenic dirge]

yessirrr

[sweet anvil]

Elaborate is the imu stuff bible inspired ?

[hazy turret]

Who does he think he is, CS Lewis 😹😹

[scenic dirge]

I sometimes get Josie to check my german homework lol

[lofty fern]

Well, Imu and everyone who follows him. I don't think you can gain maki access until you gain a contract. Even if its just a DR contract

[pulsar timber]

[digital spear]

Shes probably telling you everything wrong

[lofty fern]

I think the Writer of the Bible would be fine with that 😆

[scenic dirge]

Yea she's gotten me multiple academic misconduct warnings

[hazy turret]

God dominating through a trinity, Adam and Eve trees, uhhh

[scenic dirge]

But we move

[hazy turret]

I’m sure there’s more

[hazy turret]

So it’s basically only useful when part of the trinity and not on its own

For people that aren’t Imu, I mean

[scenic dirge]

Bestie what coloring are you envisioning Imu with

[hazy turret]

Imu can tap into it freely

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[hazy turret]

I want to say red, but I feel like it would’ve been pointed out by other characters if he was red so I’m just gonna stick with tan/brown

[lofty fern]

Is it too much to expect another fight chapter next week?

[pulsar timber]

No

[dense haven]

loki is finished

its over

[lofty fern]

Buggymu

[urban lodge]

Loki already lasted more than he should

[digital spear]

Loki isnt even in hybrid

[ashen perch]

"Jesus Christ Conquers"

[leaden rivet]

Imu already lasted longer than he should

[dense haven]

what is jesus conquering

[digital spear]

Does Nika mean conquer??

[hazy turret]

[warm sierra]

goda

[lofty fern]

Huh, that's cool

[ashen perch]

Win/conquer

[digital spear]

Common sprasle W

oh yeah the goddess of victory is named Nike or something

[atomic spindle]

Buggy is Rocks' son

[urban lodge]

No

[ashen perch]

""IC XC NIKA" is a traditional Greek Christian symbol meaning "Jesus Christ Conquers" or "Jesus Christ Wins". It signifies Christ's victory over sin, death, and the devil, frequently appearing on icons, church architecture, and liturgical bread. The phrase is often abbreviated as IC (Jesus) and XC (Christ) alongside NIKA (conquers)."

Basically

[atomic spindle]

Mihawk is a Nerona

[hazy turret]

Someone should keep track of all the references to irl religions in one piece

[urban lodge]

As the former biggest believer of that theory, Buggy deserves better

[hazy turret]

I wonder what gets referenced more, Christianity or Buddhism

[digital spear]

Nefeltari D. Buggy

[dense rapids]

Buggy is the son of god aka Davy Jones

[ashen perch]

Oda references everything really

[hazy turret]

It’s gotta be Buddhism

[warm sierra]

shintoism too

[hazy turret]

I KNOW

[ashen perch]

Yeah I was gonna say it'd take too long because there's gotta be so much

[lofty fern]

Victorious. based on Nike, the goddess of victory. Her name is basically victory in Greek

[trim lily]

when will oda reference scientology

[digital spear]

I knew it

[wet condor]

There's some confucian stuff in there with Haki

[ashen perch]

Lmao

[digital spear]

Egghead

[trim lily]

vegapunk is a scientologist

[digital spear]

And Balsimoa

https://tenor.com/view/baltimore-diord-dio-diogifs-baltimore-accent-gif-22812156

[ashen perch]

Kizaru was just there to find Xenu in Egghead

[ashen perch]

He'd be super good at those sneak ins actually

No one would ever catch him

[atomic spindle]

@ashen perch btw do you actually believe Usopp would do something huge or is it just for the memes

[ashen perch]

I'm dead serious.

[digital spear]

youre not ready for him in One Piece

[graceful belfry]

Usopp truthers will be right

[trim lily]

i love how often people have to ask if arsal’s name is ironic

there’s that little faith

[lofty fern]

Oda is from Kyushu where the largest population of Christianity in Japan resides. I wouldn't be surprised if he's quite familiar with it

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[urban lodge]

It's been multiple times today alone lol

[dense rapids]

Foreshadows Davy Jones, Buggy, and the whale based on Jonah/Pinnochio

megallan = ruler of hell

Hannyabl = new ruler of hell who kept sitting megallan’s chair (empty throne)

[ashen perch]

This is the first day I've been asked about it actually

[graceful belfry]

This is a GOATED chapter cover

[ashen perch]

Did something happen? I'm kinda surprised too

[digital spear]

big fish

[warm sierra]

he had a skull grass explosion in the anime that did nothing ig

[sweet anvil]

Arsal

When you say ussop doing something huge this arc

What constitutes that

[wet condor]

Maybe. They weren't Orthodox though as far as I know

[ashen perch]

His pop greens have always been very destructive

[dark nymph]

Yeah they animated that pretty well

Nami went hard asf

[wet condor]

I'm not surprised if Oda saw a decent amount Christian iconography growing up though

[lofty fern]

No, it was spread by the Dutch who were the only Europeans Japan let in for a time, especially when they outlawed Christianity for years. But the Gospel part is the same, and you just can research the rest.

[dark nymph]

Need to up the voltage tho, Road is still breathing

[digital spear]

So is Imu saying if you gain power too easily you get corrupted, or if youre corrupted you will gain power too easily?

[atomic spindle]

Anyway the end of the arc seems predictable with Imu facing a time pressure I think he is just gonna cause some damage and then retreat

[wet condor]

Yeah, I know lol

[sweet anvil]

I think there are a lot of unpredictable events that will happen before imus inevitable retreat

[urban lodge]

I think he'll burn the tree down

[warm sierra]

the first thing but rather that if power isnt earned it means you got there via corruption I would say

[sweet anvil]

shank/bb/revs make a move before this arc is something I’m guessing happens

One of the 3 surely

[balmy lava]

I think both

[wet condor]

It wasn't just the Dutch either though

'Cause I know some Jesuits had made their way over to Japan too

[atomic spindle]

That would be the opposite of haki

Maybe maki can even cheat DFs awakening

[balmy lava]

its possible lucci had an omen

[ashen perch]

So I did have a very exact idea with Domi Reversi Loki where Luffy would take care of Loki and Usopp Ragnir but Oda kinda decided to demolish that, I'm not quite sure at this point just how exactly we'll get there

But I expect him to get Ragnir, have another interaction with Imu, face off against the HKs again and get some proper training in the latter half of the arc thanks to Gaban. It's important to understand that the arc's not near its climax, as none of the editor's statements have even begun to claim that we are like they always do.

[warm sierra]

I think Imu didnt hand out Omen for egghead bc they didnt expect the generational fumble

[stone tulip]

Yeah FMI is great example of that, the problem is that it’s kinda underutilized sometimes

[lofty fern]

You have to read it in Japanese format. "When power so lusted after is too easily gained it leads to corruption"

[ashen perch]

I think events will have a way of surpassing our imagination.

[digital spear]

Okay this makes sense thank you

[warm sierra]

they do say power corrupts

[stone tulip]

The Nami part is insane

Like they went all out

[dark nymph]

Looking like prime Enel

[atomic spindle]

Yeah probably because Oda doesn't like predicability

[sweet anvil]

Idk if this is a hot take

[ashen perch]

I really don't think the climax is going to be so basic, Oda's climaxes take like 3 hard turns before you actually get to the end

[sweet anvil]

But I don’t think domi reversi Loki is off the table yet

And another thing I have to ask

[thick mango]

well imu's arrival is already one of the twists

[ashen perch]

Well, I suppose Imu arriving is one of the hard turns

Yeah

[lofty fern]

I think I did hear of that, it was a very small amount off people. I visited the little dutch town they made there once. It was nice to see holland stuff mixed with the japanese

[ashen perch]

But we've got more I'm sure

[versed fable]

Anyone know a good website to watch one piece

[warm sierra]

secret christmas

[atomic spindle]

I think black clouds mean fake awakening using maki instead of earned awakenings

[sweet anvil]

Why would Loki let ussop take his op legendary weapon that’s been in elbaf for 800 years

[icy wolf]

usopp getting ragnir is bs

[thick mango]

bs how

[digital spear]

Well Loki would be domi reversed

[lofty fern]

I think for the HKs Omen is more like a sensu bean. They get it after being so beat up and it restores them

[thick mango]

yeah usopp getting ragnir requires loki killed/kidnapped/flipped whatever

[digital spear]

I think Ragnir would want to get away from evil Loki

[thick mango]

its not happening without that

[icy wolf]

the size is a problem, loki and usopp havent even interacted, not really any reason for usopp to even get it, ragnir chose loki after its original owner died

[sweet anvil]

Yeah about ussop having it permanently

[ashen perch]

What I do believe isn't off the table is Imu forcing a covenant on him, like the HK one that Harald got. Maybe if Loki's knocked out, he can manage to pull it off.

[atomic spindle]

I think Loki's df can prevent domi reversi

[sweet anvil]

Wouldn’t Loki take it back if he’s returned to normal

[digital spear]

Idk about permanently, im just thinking about Elbaf arc for now

[icy wolf]

it would also make usopp far too strong and its a pretty lame powerup imo

theres obvious setup for usopp to tap into haki

[digital spear]

Yeah

[wet condor]

I didn't know about the Dutch guys. There weren't that many. I just know about the Spanish or Portuguese guys who made their way over there. I'm pretty sure they were the first to introduce Christianity to Japan in general. Kyushu specifically, I don't know

[thick mango]

it seems weird to me if you can force a covenant. Thats kinda counter to the idea right? The whole thing that makes a devil deal is that you agree to it

[sweet anvil]

Fire

[warm sierra]

especially with Imu explaining their power system, Loki beat it by defying it

[sweet anvil]

I could definitely see something like that happening

[wet condor]

I know there was a church named after Ignatius Loyola. Maybe it's in the place you're talking about

[lofty fern]

Harald wasn't forced. I think all HKs have to agree of their own will. If not, they could have easily knocked out Loki long before this and forced it

[digital spear]

Okay so what part of the trinity is just Imu straight up possessing you

[ashen perch]

The idea was for Usopp to use him temporarily and then for Ragnir to warm up to Usopp basically

[lofty fern]

That's why Imu keeps offering. You have to actually accept the deal

[atomic spindle]

Rocks said Nidhogg fruit was required to face Imu

[urban lodge]

You probably only need to willingly agree to the blade contract

Since it already allows Imu to control you at close range

[versed fable]

Anyone know a good website to watch one piece

[ashen perch]

I know, I'm saying what if that can be forced upon you? We don't know how it went for Gunko for example.

[icy wolf]

animekai

[thick mango]

covenant, contract, all these words really imply mutually agreement.

which is consistent with how devil deals typically are in other media

[warm sierra]

maybe DR needs to have some condition met like the targets desiring power or something like that

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure it's all levels. They were always careful to ask Harald "Is this what you want?" and He always said yes.

[ashen perch]

If Imu has the ability to alter one's memories and force them to act upon his will, then he can do that to Loki too. That's what I was imagining as a forced contract.

[atomic spindle]

Yeah actually I think Imu gets a setback for not fulfilling the contract

[lofty fern]

I think Gunko also agreed. If Imu had wanted to, he could have forced Loki by now. There was a reason Sham and Gunko gave up on Loki the first time

[icy wolf]

im still pretty confused on what imus power is

[atomic spindle]

The contract is slavery for power and immortality

[urban lodge]

It's not the typical deal with the devil though, Imu's entire character is defined by the will to control, to impose his will upon others

[ashen perch]

Maybe the conditions haven't been met, I'm just saying that its difficult to rule it out for now. Gunko's memories have been altered for a reason after all

[lofty fern]

I think Gunko agreed in a moment of weakness, even the best people agree to horrible things when they're in a low place

[gentle terrace]

New power system I’m guessing

I don’t think it’s a devil fruit or any kind of haki

[lofty fern]

I'm actually thinking he took them away at her behest. Like she couldn't stand to remember anymore because of the pain of what happened

[wet condor]

Imu can bind you to him without you having to consent to it through Domi Reversi, yeah,.

[gentle terrace]

It’s weird asf whatever it is

[ashen perch]

Perhaps yea

[urban lodge]

That's definitely not true

[wet condor]

That's probably the lowest level pact

[urban lodge]

The moment she remembers he tries to control her again

[wet condor]

The others you may have to agree to though

We've seen someone willingly give themselves over in all other cases

So for now I'd assume that's necessary

[stone tulip]

It’s basically the typical power corrupts people and in this case it goes further beyond by having someone to do a faustian deal that requires sacrifices to gain that power that dominates everything and everyone.

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but that's a much weaker contract. I'm pretty sure the higher ones take your agreement. If not, Imu could have force Harald at any time, but instead he drew him in an seduced him over decades

[gentle terrace]

Do you guys think imu genuinely is the final villain of one piece or do we think it’ll be someone else, may sound like a dumb question but I’m only to all thoughts

[wet condor]

Not a dumb question

It's an open question

[lofty fern]

He did not...we've been over this. He didn't even know she had remembered. He just happened to take over her at that time

[wet condor]

And we have a discussion about in here quite often lol

[atomic spindle]

What do you think about the possibility that a HK or Gorosei getting killed being considered a failure from Imu's part to keep them immortal
Imu has to fulfill the contract unless his servant betrays his orders like in Saturn's case

[wet condor]

It may've happened earlier today actually, so people may not be eager to discuss it atm

[rich hornet]

I really doubt this is the last villain

[gentle terrace]

I’ve heard of the Garling final villain theory online, and the Blackbeard final villain theories

[rich hornet]

I am excited for garling to make his move

[urban lodge]

I'm talking about this

[lofty fern]

I think Garling is a stooge, a smart stooge, but a stooge

[ashen perch]

True true

[gentle terrace]

He’s literally got a moon shaped head, and luffy is the sungod

[digital spear]

What does the Garling theory say?

[lofty fern]

He was kind of in the middle of doing his thing, he's not going to let her mess that up.

[ashen perch]

No chance of Garling being the main antagonist lol

[wraith mantle]

imu felt very innocent when he said this

like imu is not trying to ragebait or manipulate, hes just stating things as a matter of fact

[urban lodge]

I get that nothing is "confirmed" by your definition at least but the entire framing definitely doesn't indicate Imu is doing it out of anything other than the need for control, not for care

[lofty fern]

I think people are imagining Garling as some big schemer when nothing he's done has ever suggested that

[ashen perch]

He's very cute here so I get it

[maiden saffron]

Cobra isn't confirmed to be a D right?

[ashen perch]

He is

[lofty fern]

We don't know about Cobra

Vivi is, but it's probably through her mother

[maiden saffron]

he's the head of the Nefertari family but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a D. That line could be from Vivi's mother

[ashen perch]

He said "we too carry the D" didn't he?

[gentle terrace]

Basically he’s the youngest of the gorosei, he’s hoping imu will be defeated so all of the super old gorosei’s immortality will wear off and they will all die leaving only him to be the next on the throne to be king of the world, bc when imu wanted to go to Elbaf, he was the only one who didn’t complain, the rest of the gorosei are ofc afraid of imu being defeated and their immortality being rid of

[atomic spindle]

A note I had on his appointement as minister of war and science is that the previous failure was due to a scientist's curiosity so Imu chose someone who does not appear to be a scientist for the role

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[maiden saffron]

I think its safe to assume that he is but we don't know for sure yet

[mighty shell]

the vibe i get of garling is of an opportunist. he's not a blackbeard who meticulously places every piece for decades he just knows how to use current situations to his benefit

[lofty fern]

I think he meant as a family, but not him specifically

[ashen perch]

We should include himself then

Eh

[stone tulip]

Yeah that’s not happening plus Usopp is sniper so he should have something that reflects on it.

[maiden saffron]

i think he probably just meant "all of us in the nefertari family"

[ashen perch]

He likely meant him and Vivi

[maiden saffron]

something like that

[atomic spindle]

Slave owners suffered the most from the abolishement of slavery

[maiden saffron]

which would include him

and his ancestors

[wraith mantle]

loool i guess its the same mentality

[ashen perch]

Yeah, somehow Titi and Cobra are both Nefertari

[lofty fern]

Everything has basically just fallen into his lap. He couldn't have guessed that Egghead would go down the way it did, that Luffy would be there and that Saturn would do what he did and that Imu would decide to punish and kill the guy. It's too many things that were out of his control for him to have manipulated the whole thing.
The guy probably is stoked though and wants to look amazing in front of the boss.

[ashen perch]

Which might be weird but dw about it

lol

[urban lodge]

Lmao

Just average royal family stuff

[ashen perch]

Yeah...

[lofty fern]

I've always assumed that since Vivi looks like Titi who looks like Lily, that the D and the throne actually travels through the mother, and Cobra just married in

[atomic spindle]

Losing something that wasn't supposed to be yours in the first place

[digital spear]

Well thats what Emood said, Garling didnt plan to be Gorosei after Egghead but now that he became one he could use the situation to his benefit

[stone tulip]

To be fair it could have been Ace situation where both parents are from D clan despite being different family.

Like Cobra may possibly not be from Nefetari family but doesn’t mean he can’t be from the D clan.

[lofty fern]

I guess

[digital spear]

800 years is no incest I think but I wonder if there was like a Nefertari clan around?

[digital spear]

I dont know if Garling will succeed with this but id love if this was real and hed work towards becoming king of the world himself

[maiden saffron]

only 1 parent needs to have a D in their name for the child to also be a D. There's no need for constantly marrying among yourselves. No matter what, after 800 years, there undoubtedly would've been a lot of children who were also D

i think its safe to assume that Cobra meant both Vivi and him to be members of D

even though its not confirmed yet

[frigid gulch]

King of the World Garlic

[maiden saffron]

true

[mighty shell]

what about garlic jr

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-gorosei-gif-356647851113461584

[digital spear]

Yeah the scene kinda only makes sense if Cobra is a D.

[digital spear]

Maybe he wants it for Shamrock

[maiden saffron]

although its kinda strange how he seemingly comes to a realization there

feels like its something he should already know

why was Lili's name shortened to just Nefertari Lili

[frigid gulch]

Garlic creates a new position for Garlic Jr.

[warm falcon]

Iñaki descends from Basques, i see. the Basques has a 'bizarre' language, interesting

[maiden saffron]

bizarre how

looks just like a language that i dont know

[warm falcon]

isolated language, very different from slavic, germanic, latin, celtic that are from the same family

[maiden saffron]

interesting

[ashen perch]

I don't think he realized it there, he already knew for sure

He intentionally hides Lili's full name

[warm falcon]

they are one of the most ancient people in europe

[ashen perch]

Till Imu sees through his lies

[maiden saffron]

thats pretty cool

[atomic spindle]

Waah never heard this before
How is it different though?

[ashen perch]

But yeah, he clearly included himself in WE

[maiden saffron]

oh okay, i was actually mistaking the wording here

i thought he said something more like "so we also bear the D name"

which sounds like a realization

[ashen perch]

Man I was skimming through the chapter and this was sooo good, can't wait for cutaway piece again

[maiden saffron]

but he's pretty clear with what he's saying

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[warm falcon]

Iñaki already sounds a bell of being very "weird" word. all in all, its not familiar

[digital spear]

What if hes talking about him and Sabo (they have to carry D clan members Luffy and Vivi)

[ashen perch]

I don't think he even knew much about Sabo 😭

[maiden saffron]

he wouldnt know about sabo yeah

[digital spear]

Hes very smart

[maiden saffron]

not smart enough to be alive right now

is he?

[digital spear]

Idk im just saying things

[ashen perch]

He knew he was Luffy's brother and a Revo, that's about it

[atomic spindle]

What does it mean?
It indeed sounds different like Japanese

[ashen perch]

Revos are meant to be ultra mysterious

[maiden saffron]

btw i was reading some earlier chapters in my recent on / off reread and also watched an episode from loguetown

its actually so obvious dragon has some sort of weather power

Lmfao

[digital spear]

Yeah we basically know, I have no idea why Oda needs to wait 25 years to reveal it

[warm falcon]

the Basques resisted everyone:

• pre-celts in spain
• celts in Spain
• romans
• germans
• arabs
• and now Madrid

pretty anti dominion hehe, very anti-Imu like hehe

[maiden saffron]

probably didnt wanna commit to something

[ashen perch]

It is yeah, in Sabo's little flashback during Dressrosa, you can even kinda see that its a logia

[maiden saffron]

sorta like bonney's fruit

[digital spear]

The aura of basques

[urban lodge]

It's because he'll be a mythical zoan

(Quetzalcoatl)

[atomic spindle]

Who told him that Sabo is Luffy's brother

[maiden saffron]

what does this thing do

[ashen perch]

Sabo revealed it to Fujitora

[warm falcon]

not fit for Mu's world

[ashen perch]

Who revealed it to the world

[digital spear]

[urban lodge]

It's a serpent god that controls the winds and I think storms

[digital spear]

I mean then hed know what I said before

[maiden saffron]

More mythical god fruits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything and anything propaganda?

im down

[trim lily]

nuh uh dragon will have a weather paramecia

[maiden saffron]

No one gaf about logias anymore bro

[ashen perch]

I doubt it, Sabo didn't say he was from Goa lol

[atomic spindle]

I was talking about their language
Anyway I am too tired to continue I will just look it up tomorrow

[trim lily]

mythical zoan piece is OVER

[warm falcon]

well im not versed to give a satisfactory answer.
but english and other indoeuropean languages including persian and indic have the same structure and you can trace them to the same origin

basque is aglutinative like japanese and turkic

[digital spear]

We will get 10 more mythical god zoans who are as complex as Imus

[ashen perch]

God and Devil....

Goda strikes again

[ruby moat]

Guys did u know that numbers are Arabic

[ashen perch]

Heaven (Sun God) and Earth God (Devil)

[mighty shell]

mamdani already got to my numbers...

[maiden saffron]

why does he have a uk flag

[warm falcon]

indic actually

[maiden saffron]

Robin tho

[ruby moat]

[maiden saffron]

[digital spear]

Guys theyre teaching arabic numerals in american and european schools now. What has this world become...

[ruby moat]

They’re teaching WHAT kind of numbers at school?!

[maiden saffron]

😭

[gentle terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-vrchat-vr-emperor-of-vrchat-blackbeard-gif-19995325

[bold sonnet]

Robin 😳

[maiden saffron]

dont wanna turn this into a real argument now do we ...

lets talk about one piece !

[mighty shell]

the woke left wants your children to learn about ARABIC NUMERALS. and eat FRENCH FRIES

[ruby moat]

That’s it I’m home schooling

[gentle terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/giftok-uncomfortable-conversations-gif-huh-wym-gif-6971405921421664545

[ashen perch]

This is what I was looking for

[maiden saffron]

gonna watch the new episode now

[gentle terrace]

gonna watch the

[ashen perch]

You can see that he's a logia in the bottom panel

[gentle terrace]

You can see that he’s

[digital spear]

Wind Logia

[maiden saffron]

actually just the Wind logia

would be cool

[atomic spindle]

١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠
Arabic numbers from 1 to 9
Last one is 0
But they are not widely used
We mostly use 1-9

[maiden saffron]

might be our ticket to seeing logia evolutions too

[gentle terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-yapping-i-stand-at-the-end-of-my-days-i-have-sinned-at-the-end-of-my-days-speed-talking-gif-17714085846938483931

[ruby moat]

I saw they went fucking wild on the animation for the latest one piece ep

[trim lily]

wow they got 8 completely wrong

[warm falcon]

after niddhogg, nothing will impress me
but we are in the new era of Maki... altho the way Imu explained, it is not like everyone can accumulate this power

[mighty shell]

poneglyphs

[frigid gulch]

Nidhogg is kinda boring tbh

[trim lily]

i’ll be happy if it’s imu only

we don’t need another power system

[frigid gulch]

It’s cool but

[maiden saffron]

^ literal coolest shit ever

[frigid gulch]

It only spits lightning

[maiden saffron]

its also a dragon the size of a mountain

that's pitch black

[trim lily]

should’ve been a rot dragon

not a lightning one

[frigid gulch]

It ain’t better than Kaido’s to me

That’s for sure

[maiden saffron]

Kaido is a fish

[urban lodge]

What makes it cool is its size

[warm falcon]

the Coq based attacks kinda made other strawhats unuseful, right?

[gentle terrace]

Why’s no one ever tried to encrypt what the one piece poneglyphs actually mean? I’m sure it’s like every other language, if there’s different letters, there should be corresponding letters to each symbol on them

[trim lily]

yeah

oda could just give them seastone but noooo

[atomic spindle]

Idk 1-9 are said to be written by the person who invented Algorithms
Idk if he was Arab or Persian

[maiden saffron]

Nidhogg is definitely gonna be very important, and that will make it even cooler

[mighty shell]

i imagine it's more similar to kanji where poneglyphs are different words, rather than letters or syllables

[frigid gulch]

I hope we see something more in hybrid

[maiden saffron]

watch it be imu's pet or something

[digital spear]

We already ate it...

[trim lily]

that’s my headcanon

nidhogg was an imu pet that ran away 700 years ago

[digital spear]

Yeah Imu looks like he just met his old pal again

His pupper

WHOS A GOOD BOY? WHOS A GOOD BOY?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-good-boy-rex-worm-felton-thingggg-gif-13170442711656564108

[trim lily]

[digital spear]

Me with my aunts dog today

[maiden saffron]

oh man no one in my family has a cool dog

[ashen perch]

What the hell

[maiden saffron]

my cousins have a rotweiler but he's a piece of shit

[ashen perch]

I don't remember that panel

[royal orchid]

my family has a total of 20 dogs but they're all pieces of shit

[maiden saffron]

its in like ... chapter 664 ?

i grabbed it myself yesterday

[ashen perch]

So clearly, he was talking about Nidhoggr

[maiden saffron]

confirmed it to be there

yep

[frigid gulch]

Next chapter

[ashen perch]

Oda's nuts

[frigid gulch]

Another parallul

[trim lily]

big mom will be there too to complete the parallel

[royal orchid]

when the next chapter releases and the first page says 900 Years Ago...

[frigid gulch]

[digital spear]

Skelemom

[trim lily]

her name is magma mom

[ashen perch]

Reminds me of that one editor statement from 2020, that there're many carefully placed hints that nobody's ever even managed to notice

I thought the PH Dragon was a Nidhoggr reference

[trim lily]

no wonder they got fired

[ashen perch]

But I didn't know it was that clear

[maiden saffron]

Lmfao

There's definitely a lot of things

[ashen perch]

No he didn't

😭

[maiden saffron]

that you catch on rereads and stuff

[royal orchid]

chekhov is laughing in his grave right now

[trim lily]

doesnt oda usually get a new editor like every 4 years

[maiden saffron]

a lot of it is pretty obvious when you see it, because those events have happened by now

but a bunch of stuff you notice and its like "this feels important but i dont know what it is"

[ashen perch]

3-4 yeah, they haven't ever gotten fired

[trim lily]

never mind

[maiden saffron]

and the rest, you just don't even notice

so he's just stacking them up

[ashen perch]

Many that we only even think about with the power of hindsight

[maiden saffron]

greedy bastard

[trim lily]

i think the community has made me too cynical to the idea of oda foreshadowing

where the more people attribute things to it the less i want to believe it lol

[ashen perch]

I think you shouldn't let the community do that to you

[maiden saffron]

the community jokes a lot about stuff like that

its practically a meme at this point

but there's truth in it

[trim lily]

goda foreskinning

[maiden saffron]

Oda genuinely does stuff like this

[urban lodge]

I feel like that sometimes, but then sometimes we get an actual Goda moment like Kozuki Moria

[trim lily]

he does yeah

[ashen perch]

Its very very easy to believe that Oda's clinically insane about this

[maiden saffron]

He almost definitely is

[trim lily]

i try not to put him on too high a pedestal

[maiden saffron]

in the very first instance of entering the grand line, Crocus says "are they the pirates we've been waiting for?"

hinting at the fact that Roger somehow failed and is waiting for someone

stuff like that is so cool and thats why i always say people should reread one piece atleast once

[ashen perch]

You gotta understand, he came up with the final saga before he came up with anything else. He has worked his way backwards to everything

[trim lily]

i feel you could also read that as “is he the one who will finally find roger’s one piece”

[maiden saffron]

thats also the beauty with a lot of this stuff

[trim lily]

but i do think roger failing is something oda might’ve come up with early on

[maiden saffron]

you think its just a natural thing to say

that doesnt carry some double meaning

but it does!

[ashen perch]

He has drawn everything with the clearest possible idea of what the final saga is going to be, everything is built with the thought of "remember what comes at the end of all this"

And so, you might for example not think much of the frozen giants of PH

[fallen meteor]

you will all be talking like this when Vira comes around

[ashen perch]

But when something like the Gallei-La thing happens

[trim lily]

so true

[ashen perch]

Everyone is like "oh. Ofc."

[trim lily]

the frozen giants don’t allude to anythign though

[maiden saffron]

Oda's expansion of the story was mostly right in the middle

[thick mango]

is meek back yet? morj just put out a 'the elbaf will fail' video

[maiden saffron]

everything in the start, and everything in the end

had to be set in stone pretty early on

[ashen perch]

Nobody's willing to acknowledge possible foreshadowing until Oda literally slaps you with it

[warm falcon]

foreshadowing is nice, the problem is the people not having criteria or just overdoing it for clicks and social media engagement

[ashen perch]

Their existence itself is an allusion to something lol

[maiden saffron]

What oda does a lot of times isn't also foreshadowing specifically

It can be vague hints or easter eggs about stuff

[urban lodge]

The kanji for Gecko being the same as Kozuki but backwards is crazy

[warm falcon]

true

[ashen perch]

You just don't know what it is, until it finally pays off

[warm falcon]

as i said, no criteria, only for emotion and hype only

[thick mango]

oda does continuation a lot, like opposite foreshadowing. He leaves some hooks behind and waits for a good moment to pick them back up even if he didnt explictly have their future purpose planned at time of leaving them behind

[ashen perch]

I disagree with that and it contradicts his own statements

He works his way backwards

[warm falcon]

he is a good writer cause of this

[ashen perch]

He's writing the opposite way, he has an endgame in mind and everything before is more loosely written

[warm falcon]

that makes sense

[thick mango]

i just dont buy that in the context of publishing weekly

[maiden saffron]

like this chapter cover right here. It's clearly meant to depict wano. A lot of people will say this is just oda using something he created previously and transforming it into wano.

I say we have no way of knowing that. What I see here is a pink dragon, samurai armor, and a symbol that looks very close to the kozuki symbol. To me this is a call into what's coming in the future.

Whether oda KNEW what wano was gonna be like at this point, does not matter. What matters is that Wano eventually was something very close to this cover right here.

[ashen perch]

He has straight up said that the final saga has always been clearly in his mind

The problem has been "I don't know when I'll get there"

[trim lily]

i guess it’s a matter of interpretation, since i just see this as a coincidence lol

[thick mango]

i agree that the biggest grand arcs are planned from the beginning but not every little thing that appears to be foreshadowing

[trim lily]

oda wanted to portray a japanese culture colour page snd happened to have a pink eastern dragon

[solid stone]

an old post about this exact spread was what this convo brought to mind earlier lol

[maiden saffron]

I honestly cannot fathom how you can see this as a coincidence

[gentle terrace]

We could of had usopp samurai.

[trim lily]

just a difference in viewpoint i suppose

[maiden saffron]

I will accept if you say that this is just oda using a previous creation in his current arc

but it's in no way a coincidence

[trim lily]

i don’t buy oda considering pink momonosuke dragon in chapter 300

[thick mango]

it isnt like momo had to be pink. At time of deciding to give momo a variant of kaidos dragon fruit he could go back and pick pink as a color that was previously used and is ultaimtely arbitrary and doesnt mean much

[ashen perch]

I think if its confirmed then I'm more willing to lean towards it being another example of him working his way backwards from a payoff that he has already had in mind.

[ashen perch]

Dragon's dont tend to be pink

[trim lily]

well oda doesn’t use the most typical colours lol

[gentle terrace]

I’m sure the one piece remaster will fill in tons of gaps like the one piece live action is doing, like adding a scene of barto into loguetown, and adding haki effects to when shanks scares off the sea beast etc

[maiden saffron]

You don't buy Oda thinking about one of the most important arcs in the entire story? The arc that had most of gold roger's story, where poneglyphs come from?

Again, I dont think it actually matters if Oda knew wano was gonna be like this. I think what matters is that this cover and how Wano looked, were extremely consistent.

[ashen perch]

That's not true though, he has drawn typical dragons

But this color spread, where Luffy's even bearing the Kozuki clan symbol

Its what has a pink dragon

[maiden saffron]

Whether it's something he pre-planned, whether it's something he transformed from an earlier concept. This is a case of oda doing what he does best. Tell a very long running story that calls WAAAAY into the future and WAY into the past.

[solid stone]

tbh not a fan of the lord of the coast scene w/ conqueror's effects

even though it's been retconned to that

[trim lily]

yeah they shouldn’t retroactively change pre ts to fit current haki

[maiden saffron]

i think it having the same effect as conquerors haki of now is mostly a good thing

it'd just cause confusion otherwise

[ashen perch]

It was always haki so they should

[trim lily]

i think it’s fine to keep the mystique

[maiden saffron]

because yeah, i was about to say

to the reader it should always be just haki

[trim lily]

maybe it was haki maybe it’s just a cool moment for shanks

we don’t have to explain it

[solid stone]

the scene works w/o it [being haki], but yeah consistency from the jump would be great

[ashen perch]

It was definitely haki lol

[maiden saffron]

You need to understand that there's a difference between reading a series every week for years and talking to people and being in a fandom and doing a bunch of external stuff

and just reading the story start to end

If you just did that, there's no way you'd be saying it's not haki

Lmfao

[ashen perch]

Oda's taking time out of his day to help on the remake btw, if he's already doing that then he might as well yknow, help fill in the gaps

Tell them what a scene was meant to be, tell them how can they add to a scene

[gentle terrace]

If the one piece remake does add haki to pretimeskip just by adding armament haki effects, idk what they’re gonna do about stuff like ace vs smoker, bc there’s now no reason for ace not to use it, if we know of it already

[ashen perch]

I'm sure his involvement in the project wouldn't be pointless

[maiden saffron]

i dont think they'll add armament effects atleast until sabaody

[trim lily]

though it’s not like that was meant to be haki when it was first made, it is retroactively

[ashen perch]

It was

[trim lily]

unless you think oda locked in the idea of haki at chap 1

alright

[ashen perch]

I do yeah

[trim lily]

to each their own i suppose

[gentle terrace]

We know the one piece remake definitely won’t be afraid to add some extra stuff, as the fish man island remake showed the drums of liberation, and Luffy almost reaching gear 5

[maiden saffron]

Why would you think oda didn't have a way to fight logia fruits and a power like this from the very start?

It's a battle manga

it's gonna have power systems

[ashen perch]

Its very blatantly a superpower

That Shanks uses

Without any context, its still clearly a superpower

[solid stone]

Chapter 1?

[gentle terrace]

Retcon piece

[maiden saffron]

Like, i feel like you only say these things because you cannot fathom Oda having thought about this stuff so early on

[trim lily]

to me i just saw it as a very common trope

[maiden saffron]

not for any objective reason

[trim lily]

correct

[wet condor]

Clearly, though?

[mighty shell]

i don't agree with that having the aura to scare off animals isn't really a superpower

[dense rapids]

Buggy is the blood soaked serpent

[wet condor]

When he uses at Lord of the Coast, you were thinking "that's a superpower"

[ashen perch]

He's not just scaring away a seaking with an intense stare, its a superpower, even has a sound effect lol

[prisma idol]

What

[ashen perch]

I was

[wet condor]

All I saw there was raw intimidation

[trim lily]

i mean i think that’s how 95% of readers see it

[dense rapids]

You’ll see in 30-100 chapters

[trim lily]

that’s how it’s portrayed as well

[wet condor]

Really?

[ashen perch]

Because the anime adds a sfx to it even, that was my first time seeing it

[wet condor]

I didn't see it as a power really

Interesting lol

[solid stone]

yeah I think most people just saw it as scaring it off with an intense stare first time around

[ashen perch]

I don't know if the manga has the same sfx but yeah, it's very very clearly a superpower

[trim lily]

damn the double very

[wet condor]

What I felt out of that was a tenacity coming from Shanks' spirit that even a wild beast was capable of sensing that was something not to be fucked with

Something on a deep primal level lol

[gentle terrace]

Anyone else think it’s weird we haven’t saw full body haki since punk hazard, it seems pretty op for everyone not to use

[trim lily]

we’ve seen it a few times

pica used it, then jinbe in wano

[maiden saffron]

i think we've not seen it because its not op

[trim lily]

but turns out full body haki just sucks lmao

[maiden saffron]

its really hard to pull off, much better to concentrate that energy in a single spot

[gentle terrace]

Oh

[maiden saffron]

and make it much tougher

[solid stone]

iconic two pages

[wet condor]

Something even a non-sapient creature is capable of sensing

[maiden saffron]

Vergo just did it for hype and aura

[ashen perch]

Full body haki was bad

[trim lily]

poor pica ruined its reputation completely

[ashen perch]

Law says it's very inefficient

[solid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fullbody-fullbody-one-piece-marines-knuckle-dusters-gif-13634004210162496444

[wet condor]

I jsut saw this is as raw intimidation lol

[solid stone]

fullbody mentioned

[solid stone]

yeah same

[trim lily]

same

[ashen perch]

And spread the haki too thinly over the body

[gentle terrace]

I’m rusty on my one piece knowledge I’m guessing, caught up years ago and haven’t reread or rewatched since

[trim lily]

then again big mom basically uses full body haki

just not the cool kind

[maiden saffron]

big mom is just built different

[solid stone]

framing it as haki works, but I wouldn't agree that the scene specifically was intended to be haki from the jump

[maiden saffron]

I actually dont have a horse in this race. I think it's clearly haki as of now, and probably very early on even if not chapter 1.

[keen falcon]

Crazy that people look at the role list and go "I wanna be a celestial dragon" or germa 66, the straw hats taught them nothing 😔

[solid stone]

I gotta binge read Wano and Egghead

[maiden saffron]

I also dont think it matters if oda thought about it in chapter 1

[ashen perch]

https://youtu.be/WhFasjJTlMM?si=C48cyaDjIevIlC9H

[mighty shell]

i just pick the color i want

[maiden saffron]

what matters is that it can be framed as haki and nothing changes

[wet condor]

It doesn't matter yeah

[maiden saffron]

its all consistent, fully

[wet condor]

Just interesting to think about

[ashen perch]

That veen sfx, that instantly made me think it was a superpower

[gentle terrace]

Granted I think we should never see full body haki ever again, it’s better to just be forgotten about, all it did was lowkey just make racist jokes in the community

[thick mango]

I dont think it gets any better if he had haki completly fleshed out at that point vs this was the seed that haki grew out of over time. It is what it is, i dont think the intentions at time of writing make any difference

[maiden saffron]

it is important to note that the anime does add a sound effect for it , and later adaptations even add aura and impact frames and stuff

Here's another fun one !

[solid stone]

Well, I've seen more surprising things in this server 😅

[wet condor]

Me trying to do this to the brown bears at Yosemite park

Wish me luck

[maiden saffron]

do you think what Zoro did against Mr. 1 was using haki?

[royal orchid]

doing the annoying nirvana fan thing and saying "tell me 3 of your favorite thriller bark moments since you have the thriller bark pirates role"

[grand flower]

I’d beat the fuck outta imu tbh

[trim lily]

better yet try it against a polar bear

[trim lily]

i don’t think it is but i know it’s a popular theory now

[gentle terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[grand flower]

Yeah we know he did

[trim lily]

i wouldn’t doubt oda could have meant for it to be haki

[mighty shell]

uh i like usopp vs perona the one chapter where the straw hats beat up oars and brook's backstory

[ashen perch]

Good point, I forgot about the later adaptations, so the remake is definitely going to present it as Haki

[keen falcon]

1. Usopp vs Perona
2. Lola(before she transformed into a human and stopped being hot)
3. Nothing Happened

[maiden saffron]

I actually take it to be the first on-screen appearance of haki. Zoro doesn't know what it is, so he doesn't use the right terms.

He just says stuff like "I knew where the rocks were gonna fall. I can hear the swords' voice, its under that rock"

[solid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-monkey-d-luffy-zombie-go-back-go-away-gif-12334374

[maiden saffron]

like, to me it just seems like someone unlocking observation haki

and not knowing what to make of it

especially considering Mantra appeared in skypiea in the next major saga

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/perona-one-piece-positive-thumbs-up-usopp-gif-2631637930594390476

[maiden saffron]

and by alabasta, we'd seen a few logia fruits

[gentle terrace]

He didn’t, genuinely sorry but idk why people think oda is this all knowing god level writer that has been foreshadowing things a decade before they’re introduced, yes it’s happened once or twice but it’s mostly retcons

[ashen perch]

The line from Koushiro is word for word repeated by Hyogoro