also-manga

[hardy stratus]

Hello yc

[prisma yacht]

Too late pal

The dmg is done

[hardy stratus]

Meh

Devil may grift?

[digital spear]

Hi goro hi fr0nsen

[distant vine]

When will this end...

[hardy stratus]

Man all the fucking interesting things to discuss

And people are still bothered by powerscaling and shit

[urban lodge]

I'm aware that it's propaganda and I also think Oda did a terrible job at portraying it. It's one thing when it's the world government saying it, but are we supposed to doubt the narrator as well? I genuinely don't know because of how weirdly presented he is

[digital spear]

Ok what did Imu say in official now

[ashen perch]

this is why half the fandom deserves to be nuked

[iron oriole]

im sick and tired of mihawk fans all squealing bout some "OH IMU IS MIHAWK'S DAD" bullshit
i've always been a mihawk hater and this idea is part of exactly why. Mihawk has virtually zero involvement with the story outside of zoro. and now it's gotten so bad the mihawk fans are clamoring for any relevance outside of that

the theory is honestly not even that bad. now that i think about it i just hate mihawk

[ashen perch]

well, the theory is fine

[thick maple]

Nothing ever happens

[iron oriole]

Ballistic was a good one for that copypasta

[ashen perch]

I just think people are being silly by relating it to powerscaling, when it doesnt matter at all

[hardy stratus]

Narrator mentions about his infamy as a pirate, and it’s mostly done to government ships or locations

[ashen perch]

oh its a copypasta

lmao

[hardy stratus]

I think that was always implied

With yeah Obv Xebec did pillaging

[urban lodge]

Not really

[icy wolf]

what are you referring to

[urban lodge]

He said he wiped entire towns off the map

[urban lodge]

Rocks

[distant vine]

The narrator definetly isnt lying

[hardy stratus]

But his actions was always more directed to be against WG

[distant vine]

I just think Oda's being soft by thinking he has to whiplash his portrayal of Rocks

[urban lodge]

Exactly

It's cowardly

[distant vine]

To achieve what he wants the fandom to feel

[icy wolf]

are you guys saying the stuff about rocks destroying stuff was a lie or something

[distant vine]

No but Oda very clearly put that stuff into narrator boxes for a reason

Cause at that point in the flashback he wanted to highlight the less evil side

[hardy stratus]

Idk
I just took that fake charity thing to show that their actions were targeted directly against WG and Navy
Instead of the softening of his character/image thing

[iron oriole]

Rocks did the shit that was said but i think the WG played it up a bit & exaggerated it to make him look worse than he is

[icy wolf]

idk rocks isnt a good guy at all

i believe it

[urban lodge]

I'm fully convinced Oda invented domi reversi just so he could retcon Rocks into not being that bad

[distant vine]

The narrator said it. Not the WG

[hardy stratus]

Idk. I like this better

[icy wolf]

i dont get it

[hardy stratus]

What we got

[iron oriole]

Narrator propaganda even worse

[hardy stratus]

Instead of what you are implying

[urban lodge]

To explain why Roger and Garp fought him

[hardy stratus]

Roger is said to have wiped out places too

And his death and his scenes are impactful

[distant vine]

I dont even mind Rocks having a good side to him or how things went down. I just wish Oda took on the challenge of having him be morally grey

[hardy stratus]

I mean he is?

[urban lodge]

Yep

[distant vine]

Tackle what its like having Whitebeard and BM/Kaido and all their personal motivations

[urban lodge]

I agree he is, I don't think Oda portrayed it well

[iron oriole]

Kaido just gets the boot when he acts up

[hardy stratus]

It’s structured as a historical overview with scenes added

[iron oriole]

Top 5 boot

[knotty root]

Kaido in the flashback was well done

[hardy stratus]

With the amount of content you want in it, it would have had lost the impact

[urban lodge]

Kaido and BM were great

Funny dynamic

[knotty root]

The smug face lmao

[hardy stratus]

Rocks is the most well done character in the flahback

I don’t get the presentation issue personally

[prisma yacht]

Foot coloney was fun to read

Stupid shiki

[icy wolf]

i never really got the impression that rocks was a good guy once in the flashback

the first thing he does is stab loki

[urban lodge]

You didn't but a lot of the fanbase, most even I'd say did

[hardy stratus]

I don’t think OP fanbase is a good indicator for it man

It’s a braindead fanbase

[iron oriole]

Gloriosa calling BM a hoe was the best

[urban lodge]

I've seen people call him a better revolutionary than Dragon

[prisma yacht]

Well

[icy wolf]

he failed

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/nobara-kugisaki-nobara-kugisaki-noabra-kugisaki-trying-to-hold-her-laugh-nobara-kugisaki-ijbol-gif-17723481604786544333

[icy wolf]

so nah

[hardy stratus]

He had the goals, but he had the makings of a pirate

[prisma yacht]

I mean

[graceful grove]

If they could read, they would be upset

[prisma yacht]

Everything started from him...

[icy wolf]

dragons already off to a better start the holyland is in a sea of flames

[thick maple]

Worst character of the flashback was Shakky

I think we can all agree

[prisma yacht]

She was fun

[icy wolf]

big mom got done pretty dirty

garp hypetool

[urban lodge]

Gloriosa might have been worse

[icy wolf]

got her bag stolen by kaido

[pine ridge]

did you forget rocks?

[hardy stratus]

Idk. I like how shakky and gloriosa were done

[urban lodge]

So fucking true

[prisma yacht]

Eh

[hardy stratus]

I don’t see why you expected more from gloriosa

[dense haven]

garling is the worst and its not even close lmao

[prisma yacht]

Garling was fun to read as well

[urban lodge]

It didn't need to be much but Gloriosa got nothing

[wraith mantle]

need to learn how shanks' mom fucked up and leaked the davy secret

[icy wolf]

i dont remember anything big mom did in the flashback besides fie a big ass attack at garp and get the fruit stolen by kaido

[dense haven]

rat mom

[icy wolf]

how could i forget

[wraith mantle]

biggest blunder, second only to lili pawing away the stones

[dense haven]

the rat haired gene is strong

[leaden rivet]

She’s by far the worse

[knotty root]

Was silver axe's corpse in thriller bark?

[leaden rivet]

Gloriosa is a close second

[spice cairn]

Rocks was the least interesting person in a flashback that he hogged from Harald and Loki

[iron oriole]

Tell her Gloriosa!

[spice cairn]

[leaden rivet]

Dragon and Roger by far the best

[wraith mantle]

garp?

[urban lodge]

Garp was great too

[icy wolf]

i dont think it was cuz people were saying he could be the man marked by flames for some reason

[leaden rivet]

Dragon and Roger

[thick maple]

Dragon was the best, imo

[wraith mantle]

what did roger do in the flashback

[hardy stratus]

Rocks was the best

Then it was Dragon

Then Garp

[leaden rivet]

Read and find out!

[iron oriole]

Magnolia best smh

[wraith mantle]

i dont think roger was a highlight of the flashback

[urban lodge]

Also what is this Harald erasure

[leaden rivet]

Garp not having a conversation with his son and just saying “K” makes me unable to categorize him as one of the best

[icy wolf]

fought rocks, fought whitebeard, fought garp

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-correct-true-right-gif-27174315

[pulsar timber]

This channel

[wraith mantle]

action man!

[thick maple]

Harald was good too

[hardy stratus]

Ignoring all the visual elements in a visual medium

Crazy

[prisma yacht]

Harald was the best in the fb but I thought y'all were talking about gv alone

[hardy stratus]

Harald was a great sad tragedy

[graceful grove]

Harald and best?

[prisma yacht]

Garp did the same thing with dadan

It's nothing new or out of character for him

[leaden rivet]

Harald was great yeah

[prisma yacht]

To just acknowledge the wrongs

[wraith mantle]

garp, rocks, and harald were the MVPs of the entire flashback

[leaden rivet]

A much better less creepy oden

[icy wolf]

blackbeards fine ass mom was the star of the show

[spice cairn]

Nobody mentioned the goat

[prisma yacht]

And do what he thinks is right

[iron oriole]

Him just saying "k" is what makes it great, theres nothing he can say...

[prisma yacht]

Complaining about that Convo

Is like ur trolling

[hardy stratus]

He had a character growth, and we got to affirm his motivation

[leaden rivet]

He says more to Roger in like that same chapter

[wraith mantle]

robin's grandmother did steal the show

[prisma yacht]

Yeah he was great goro

[spice cairn]

Garp was in love with Roger

[leaden rivet]

K is insufficient for such a big defining moment

[spice cairn]

That was obvious

[pulsar timber]

Dragon and garp will have more talks

The moment is very good

[opal gull]

Za Windo

[prisma yacht]

I was specifically talking about the moment where he just accepts what his son was throwing at him

[wraith mantle]

garp probably found it easier to talk with roger, having the same the convo with your son, and explain how you are a piece of shit

[hardy stratus]

The point of that scene is he has no answer for his son, and he agrees with Garp that he deserves it

[iron oriole]

Roger is not the same, this is Garp's son

[wraith mantle]

yeah that was tough, even for garp

[hardy stratus]

Silence works stronger than words at times

[leaden rivet]

Garp has his own answer for why he’s in the marines

[hardy stratus]

And it was one of those

[opal gull]

@dense haven Did you like the chapter mate?

[spice cairn]

But he said something though

🤓

[hardy stratus]

Don’t get into semantics man

[graceful grove]

Garp has no defense, thats why he cant say shit to Dragon

[spice cairn]

Listen you said slience

I cant help it

[leaden rivet]

Silence did not work stronger, it’s such a character defining moment for th readers especially to understand why a “good” person like Garp would be working under the CD’s

[knotty root]

In theory yeah it should've been somethign at least a bit more focused on. But considering this was not a dragon centric flashback, it would make sense oda decided to make it minor just like that since there was so much already going on

[spice cairn]

I was Dragon, I would've spat on my father's face

[golden valley]

Its easier to say that for Roger than it is to say it to Dragon

[iron oriole]

Its the same irl, a lot of people find it easier talking to a friend/stranger etc about something over talking to a family member because well... family members worry & judge more harshly tbh

[graceful grove]

He will get the chance at Garps funeral

[hardy stratus]

Yeah like he said before to Garp
It’s for the people at the bottom of it who he gotta help and find their own source of justice. What he did to Koby, Helmeppo and etc

[leaden rivet]

I know

[wraith mantle]

^

[hardy stratus]

Why do people not read

[knotty root]

"if" we do get a dragon centric flashback, oda would add some more dialogue to give it more depth. But I find it unlikely he would do that

[prisma yacht]

Bro lmfao

[spice cairn]

I think Garp is atoning right now

[leaden rivet]

Why are you telling me this

I know he had an answer for Roger

[hardy stratus]

Because the character defining moment is there for readers

[pulsar timber]

Why would you find it unlikely he’d do that

[hardy stratus]

There’s plenty

[leaden rivet]

It’s not

And it’s insufficient

[wraith mantle]

why would oda not do a dragon fb?

[pulsar timber]

When a major part of dragons character is being unable to find justice in the marines

[golden valley]

Garp is inherently contradictory

And i love it

[spice cairn]

Thats the point

[golden valley]

Hes just human

[spice cairn]

Garp is a walking contradiction

[knotty root]

Some fans dont think there's much to see from it lmao

[pulsar timber]

There’s a lot to a dragon flashback

[spice cairn]

You are suppose to see him as a mess of a character struggling over what his justice means anymore

And passing the torch for a younger gen to make the right choice

[pulsar timber]

And it’s 100% happening

[urban lodge]

Garp is honestly the best written character in the series

[prisma yacht]

Imagine garp sits down and explains why he can't leave 😭😭
Wtf do they want from him

[spice cairn]

And not the choices he made

[ashen perch]

Dragon is going to have one of the biggest flashbacks in the series

[spice cairn]

That is virtually what he is as his core

[knotty root]

The scene has already been drawn, oda rarely redo scenes and add something new. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I do not find it likely

[pulsar timber]

Sitting there and explaining himself to dragon would not fix anything especially since garp understands where dragon is coming from. It’s not like it’s the last time they ever talk

[hardy stratus]

For his son, he’s speechless because he has now found out the organization that he respected and worked for and hopefully got his son into
Isn’t what he thought it to be. He’s had his understanding of his actions changed, and while he has a reason for staying, he has no answer or nothing to say to the son who had to witness those horrors from a source of justice

[prisma yacht]

Dragon and garp spinoffs

[knotty tree]

When

[spice cairn]

I think the minimal talk he has with Dragon drives home the point that Garp simply can't really speak any sense into his son because how the fuck are you suppose to explain yourself without sounding like a cunt.

[wraith mantle]

hm i can kinda see that, GV did explain why dragon lost faith in the marine's justice. So do we need to see him go out and form the rev? idk I would love to do that but i am not sure what more it would add to his character

i however wanna learn more about how he met luffy's mama

[prisma yacht]

Muk I was trolling

[spice cairn]

There was obviously no way Garp was going to have a bridge with Dragon anymore

[pulsar timber]

It’s not their last ever conversation. They’ll have a lot of scenes conversing in dragons flashback

[ashen perch]

Near the end of the series, I don't think Oda's gonna delve into it till the Final War

[opal gull]

Also where is Garp? he is still in hacinosu right?

[pulsar timber]

NO TROLLS ALLOWED

[urban lodge]

We know they're still in contact too

[spice cairn]

Hes chained up in Fullalead

[graceful grove]

Vascos dungeon

[urban lodge]

So their relationship is in a better place now

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[echo lake]

looking east like his fraud son

[opal gull]

lol

Lets see if the Navy negotiate at all

[hardy stratus]

Dragon manage to do a siege so bad for CDs that Mariejois is in chaos and Imu had to take action

Let that sink in

[echo lake]

that's not Dragon bro that's the celestial dragons rioting because they don't have lobsters

[wraith mantle]

who would be second and third just curious to see the gap between them

[hardy stratus]

The fucking text says their food supply is completely caught off and holyland is in chaos

[ashen perch]

I expect Final War to be the place where he finally and properly delves into the secrets of our main cast, and Oda described a big part of Dragon's story as ''the secret of Luffy's birth'' that he wants to explore eventually

[prisma yacht]

Luffy is my #1

[hardy stratus]

Also penny you are so real for it. He’s been my top 1 since 1089 too

[opal gull]

Didnt Shammy return to help fight the siege?

or maybe he returned as he will be promoted to the Supreme Commander of Gods Knights position

[echo lake]

bros tryna be cool by adding the fucking lol

[native seal]

take a wild guess what caused them to riot

[knotty root]

The first part will probably be a few pages at best. I don't think the second ab luffy's mom's is happening. I can't explain why, I just feel like it won't.

[urban lodge]

Hmm probably Whitebeard and Luffy, medium gap

[opal gull]

As Garling became an Elder

[prisma yacht]

Oh yeah

Wb in gv

[hardy stratus]

Sak how do you deal as a Dragon fan nowadays

[prisma yacht]

was cool

[wraith mantle]

how about harald

[spice cairn]

Stussy and Whitebeard is the GVFB OTP

[hardy stratus]

Harald is near top fosho

But recency bias fr

[wraith mantle]

i feel like harald's predicament is well written

[urban lodge]

Harald is really good, Idk where's I'd place him

[spice cairn]

Whitebeard slept on a bad one

[native seal]

I'm at a point where I hear no new arguments so I just have every rebuttal ready

[echo lake]

english please

[urban lodge]

Probably like top 15

[opal gull]

WB is just goated

[prisma yacht]

xD

[knotty root]

Agree to disagree

[leaden rivet]

Ace and Doffy for me

[wraith mantle]

luffy is a great character but idk, nothing special

[spice cairn]

We know Saturn

[dense haven]

@formal wagon what say you

[hardy stratus]

Luffy would be top 1 if not for garp that’s for sure

[urban lodge]

Doffy is top 5, and it kinda hurts me to say this but Law too

[prisma yacht]

Everything is special about Luffy khalid

[hardy stratus]

Garp is 1 and Luffy is 2.for me

[prisma yacht]

Lmao

[hardy stratus]

Idk about else

[urban lodge]

I love Law, I'm just tired of him

[dense haven]

law is mid as shit

[prisma yacht]

It's Luffy 1 doffy 2 garp 3 for me

[dense haven]

hes carried by everyone else in his flashback

[hardy stratus]

Damn no one likes rocks here

Mid chat fr

[prisma yacht]

I like rocks

[urban lodge]

Rocks is certainly the character of all time

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/i/status/2048446385972715863

Logan Paul (@LoganPaul)

After reading this I’m not convinced the One Piece is real

X · Apr 26, 2026, 4:57 PM

[dense haven]

rocks was like popular for 1 week

[spice cairn]

Larper final boss

[dense haven]

everyone had him as their goat

[formal wagon]

Luffy is nothing special. An extremely derivative archetypal character whose lack of depth is one of the story's weakest points.

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/nobara-kugisaki-nobara-kugisaki-noabra-kugisaki-trying-to-hold-her-laugh-nobara-kugisaki-ijbol-gif-17723481604786544333

[native seal]

should have been here during his intro people would stone you if you gave any sort of criticism

[hardy stratus]

Rocks is easily the best character of lat 100 chapters

[spice cairn]

Rocks exists solely to amp Teech's stake in the story

And I see him purely off that.

[hardy stratus]

????

[formal wagon]

since we got a flashback for blackbeards dad we'll also get one for zoro's im sure.

[urban lodge]

If piratefolk likes a character...

[spice cairn]

Outside of this function, he is criminally boring

[wraith mantle]

i think the more we learn about him, the more he will rise in the ranks

he definitely has a strong foundation for now

[scenic dirge]

Pinzoro flashback will save lives

[urban lodge]

And Rocks is basically their god

[scenic dirge]

and feed families

[hardy stratus]

I don’t need anything more about Rocks

[spice cairn]

The Wang Zhi redemption arc

[hardy stratus]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

[spice cairn]

Will literally fund the American country

[formal wagon]

why does he need redemption?

[royal orchid]

bogard flashback will break the internet

[formal wagon]

what did he do that needs redeeming?

[prisma yacht]

@native seal what do you think about my new theory that garling will kill dragon

[native seal]

fuck that theory

[spice cairn]

Wait you're spitting

[prisma yacht]

:c

[opal gull]

why lmao

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-gorosei-gif-356647851113461584

[spice cairn]

Why does he needs a redemption

[ashen perch]

unironically

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-picardia-emoji-joecoin-gif-473651771238466514

[hardy stratus]

Arsal if you have time to waste read that reddit post

I need to cleanse this chat exprience with some proper convo with you fr

[ashen perch]

I dont have that much time atm, will ping you in a few days

its very long

[royal orchid]

doesn't pinzoro flashback mean we'll go back to Wano country

[spice cairn]

Cleansing it by saying reading something from Reddit

[ashen perch]

well not too long but still

[spice cairn]

[urban lodge]

It will happen in Yano

[opal gull]

We should have gotten it in Wano

[ashen perch]

nah

[ashen perch]

no.

[wraith mantle]

i think imu's character will be top 3 by eos

[hardy stratus]

Yeah cuz this chat has r/piratefolk level of intelligence at times

[ashen perch]

nah relaaaaaaaaaaax

[scenic dirge]

oh brother

[ashen perch]

what??

[spice cairn]

You haven't been exposed to r/piratefolks enough

[ashen perch]

you should like this

I think Zoro is going to have another proper flashback in the final war

[spice cairn]

This is, 5% of my power

[hardy stratus]

I have been exposed to both enough marxster

[ashen perch]

you should love hearing this, as a Zoro fan

[royal orchid]

Wano is Zoro's arc

[scenic dirge]

Why the fuck would I expect a Pinzoro flashback 😭

[hardy stratus]

Zoro doesn’t need flashback. He doesn’t really care

Also isn’t evan a sanji fan

[thick maple]

Where is the other 95%

[ashen perch]

because he is important

[spice cairn]

Its in hibernation

[scenic dirge]

I guarantee you he isn't

[scenic dirge]

Watch your tongue

[native seal]

that void century flashback better be 30 chapters minimum

[hardy stratus]

Sorry man I haven’t talked OP here for apparently 10 months. I forget stuff

[scenic dirge]

(I like Sanji a lot)

(But I have to rep the homie)

[ashen perch]

Zoro fan that doesnt even believe in Zoro to get more Zoro stuff is crazy

[knotty root]

What would a 2nd zoro flashback expand on his character

[hardy stratus]

Because we don’t need more flashbacks?

[knotty root]

His life on shimotsuki village?

[scenic dirge]

Arsal there's a difference between what I wish would happen in an ideal world and what I realistically expect to happen

[wraith mantle]

what is pinzoro?

[wet condor]

Arsal with the Pinzoro gas

[hardy stratus]

Bro saying this as if he doesn’t have the most obnoxious amount of obnoxious fans

[ashen perch]

well I think my idea is very realistic

[wet condor]

He's Zoro's granddad or great granddad

I don't remember which

[spice cairn]

Zoro's grandfather

[scenic dirge]

Not on this server lol

[urban lodge]

Zoro's grandpa who died in a legendary duel with Nusjuro

[wet condor]

On his dad's side?

[wraith mantle]

oh

[royal orchid]

final saga will have 10 arcs, each one for every straw hat. so far we got
Wano - Zoro's arc
Egghead - Franky's arc
Elbaf - Usopp's arc

[native seal]

In a realistic world my hopes for a dragon flashback are fading

[hardy stratus]

Visit #manga

[wraith mantle]

sbs reveal?

[hardy stratus]

Why

[spice cairn]

Dad's side

[royal orchid]

-# ||||

[ashen perch]

My belief is that Oda's all about timing, and he simply deemed Wano as just being too early to really delve into these secrets

[spice cairn]

Pinzoro is on Zoro's father lineage iirc

[native seal]

oda's cranking it up way too much

[hardy stratus]

First thing is we don’t really need more Dragon flashback

[opal gull]

lol

[urban lodge]

Nah we see the flashback in volume 121

[hardy stratus]

Second thing is, if we are to get, he is a character we will aboslutely get

[thick maple]

Dragon flashback after elbaf, trust bro

[scenic dirge]

Also lol, it's so evenly split nowadays, i think it's kind of crazy to assert that Zoro fans are way worse than every other cult following this series has. They just sometimes say some wildly outrageous stuff but all the agenda shit just collapses into one pile of slop

[spice cairn]

I dont remember exactly because Pinzoro is such a whatever character that I just don't care enough for him to be explored.

Im just sort of think its cool that we know his lineage

[dense haven]

agenda piece wouldn't exist without zoro fans

[hardy stratus]

Dragon has awesome characterization through God Valley, Ivankov, KUma’s flashback, Vp’s flashback and the tidbits we got here and there

[opal gull]

yeah its not even that bad lol

[spice cairn]

Care enough to waste chapter time on it though? Lol

[hardy stratus]

What more do you need than that Sak

[distant vine]

Youre welcome?

[wraith mantle]

shanks fans started agenda piece

[ashen perch]

I think Oda is looking ahead at the Final War as the arc where he'll explore the secrets near and dear to the main cast.

The history of Void Century and First World will get explored before the final war

[wet condor]

I'm a Zoro fan and I don't care about a Pinzoro fb lol

[scenic dirge]

I expect Ryuma elaboration

[wet condor]

The biggest culprits are them and BB

[wet condor]

Yeah

[opal gull]

We might have Revos come to Elbaf to meet Luffy and co

[spice cairn]

That ship sailed with Wano and I don't particularly think it'll be a benefit to Zoro besides retreading on ground that doesnt need to be treated

[ashen perch]

I mean Ryuma is connected to Pinzoro

[dense haven]

nobody even took shanks seriously until wano

[distant vine]

Oh and exploring Zoro's lineage is a waste of time

[spice cairn]

Ryuma is the only guy I care about.

[native seal]

luffys mom, his df, how he gained notoriety, possibly a specific altercation that led him to gaining his title

[distant vine]

Thats why Oda's the goat

[wraith mantle]

and then zoro fans started stanning mihawk to upscale zoro

[native seal]

there are so many possibilities

[distant vine]

LMAO

[wet condor]

Ryuma is Zoro's ancestor on his mom's side tho

[scenic dirge]

I do not expect any elaboration on Pinzoro or whatever Roronoa mf is in that family tree

[spice cairn]

Yeah I agree with his sentiment

[wraith mantle]

and it just spiraled out of control from there

[hardy stratus]

We don’t need to learn every single bit of a story

[prisma yacht]

What about dragons mom sak

[distant vine]

Then I was 20+ years ahead of all of you

[prisma yacht]

Don't u care about her

[native seal]

No

[ashen perch]

yeah I know, but I think these stories will be explored at the same time

[native seal]

she's for the SBS

[hardy stratus]

None of those aspects need extra content at all

[knotty root]

Shanks saved greenbull

[native seal]

his title and luffys mom definitely do

[hardy stratus]

Luffy’s mom partdefinitely doesn’t

[spice cairn]

People aren't ready to accept that Oda already more or less made Zoro's background a magum ops and he sort of refuses to add much to it besides what will happen in the future in regards to his progress

[prisma yacht]

Dragon gave birth to Luffy by farting out an egg

[knotty root]

I dont think anyone is seeing greenbull winning agaisnt the straw hats

[wraith mantle]

i see you inherited mailbox's humor

[hardy stratus]

His title is just WG propaganda because he started actions had an effect on world government and affiliated countries

[spice cairn]

Its contagious

[prisma yacht]

Where did mailpox come from

[hardy stratus]

Like we have seen about it through past reverie

[spice cairn]

Earth

Planet... earth

[wet condor]

Wait no she isn't. Also on his dad's side lol

[hardy stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[prisma yacht]

Gasps

[ashen perch]

yeah Music I just looked at the tree again

[scenic dirge]

But I also don't agree with using the word "need" for anything. If Oda wants to show it he'll show it. Hardly anything outside of the main lore of the series ever NEEDS to be shown. Sanji's germa stuff didn't NEED to be shown, but Oda thought it would be a cool thing to explore and left it open enough in the past for it to be an option. If Oda changed his mind and said "nah actually I'll just keep it to the Zeff stuff", the story would still work

[opal gull]

yeah he would have lost anyways

I guess he thought he could win on the fact they just fought 2 emperors and would be tired

But he came a few days late, should have come when Luffy and Zoro were resting, but even then we had Law Kidd Yamato etc

[ashen perch]

Terra is just a random woman, as far as we know

[native seal]

That's the obvious answer however there can be a specific occasion that granted him that title too which would be way more interesting

[opal gull]

I dont see anyway he could have won

[spice cairn]

Imagine if Oda decided to make a Sanji timeline and people were like "Lets make 12 chapters about Sir Judge the 2nd"

[blazing depot]

Eris D Tar

[hardy stratus]

It adds extra characterization

[ashen perch]

I mean

[blazing depot]

Did she was pregnant

[scenic dirge]

Yea but it wasn't needed lol

[hardy stratus]

I am against everything having to be explained or deep dived into for stories

Dragon already has enough depth and enough explored through different other characters flahback that what Sak said are already either covered or placed as legend of the story

[digital spear]

Preganenant

[spice cairn]

Well this generally depends on what needs to be elaborated

[digital spear]

@prisma yacht opinion on Pregbeard?

[stone terrace]

I love Planet Earth by BBC Network

[hardy stratus]

What’s pregbeard now

[prisma yacht]

Pregbeard is real

[spice cairn]

Rocky Port despite being regulated to SBS death, would be a lot more engaging than a Pinzoro love quest chapter arc

[native seal]

He's one of the characters we know the bare minimum about, so much so that god valley was the most amount of characterization he has ever gotten in the last decade

[knotty root]

The straw hats and others would just push their limits again if they were recovering anyways

[ashen perch]

Theres the mysterious Germa leader from 300 years ago that conquered the North Blue and ruled over it for 66 days, he's basically Sanji's own Ryuma

[prisma yacht]

Soon another smol bb is coming out

[digital spear]

Blackbeard is pregnant

[trim lily]

oh shit new blackbeard they theory dropped

[digital spear]

Bless him

[hardy stratus]

This is like saying we didn’t learn about Kaido before his flashback

[spice cairn]

Yeah Lord Judge the 3rd

[prisma yacht]

🔥🐈

[ashen perch]

his name is Romeo

[hardy stratus]

When there’s so much of characterization done by contrasting him with other characters and his actions

[scenic dirge]

Romeo

[urban lodge]

What will be Babybeard's fake name?

[trim lily]

monkey

[opal gull]

Preach

[prisma yacht]

Monkey d preach?

[hardy stratus]

We have had Dragon explored through multiple different perspectives of different characters

[digital spear]

Cat named Romeo?

[pulsar timber]

Hardly. There’s a lot to go into for his flashback

That’s the bulk of his depth and characterization

[wraith mantle]

we learned quite a bit about dragon in kuma's and gv's fbs

[prisma yacht]

The man marked in flames was actually the cat marked in flames

And his name was romeo

[digital spear]

My friends cat is named Romeo how did yall know

[prisma yacht]

Wow goda irl foreshadowing

[hardy stratus]

We learned about through statements of Ivankov, through reverie and the flashback reverie, then kuma flashback then god valley flashback, then his actions already speaks a lot for him

We would be treading grounds we have already covered if you just look

[urban lodge]

Vinsmoke Romeo flashback will move mountains

[pulsar timber]

They aren’t covered at all

They’re bullet points

[blazing depot]

Gunko flashback… and the tragic reason she wears panties. Prepare to cry

[spice cairn]

Where do you think Imu learned Black Flame leg strikes from?

[stone terrace]

I have it on good authority that someone gives birth next chapter

[ashen perch]

Yeah I agree with this. Theres a lot that people have claimed over the years as being unnecessary but Oda still gets into it and then explores it and people who said it was unnecessary are just nowhere to be found. Another example being Brook's past, that is soon to be fully explored now.

I dont think the opinion of anyone matters in this, Oda will explore what he wants to explore and I just think he created that family tree as a tease rather than a ''reveal''.

[pulsar timber]

Is it that woman

[digital spear]

Real panel

[spice cairn]

Bro wants pregbread next chapter

[native seal]

in a perfect world where oda isn't rushing the series we'll get a dragon flashback

[ashen perch]

sak come on you cant be this hopeless as a Dragon fan

its guaranteed that we will get it lol

[spice cairn]

I find his story being told dynamically through perspectives much more engaging though

[thick maple]

Everybody forgot him but you remembered

[spice cairn]

Its part of the reason why Kaido was good.

[hardy stratus]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean to ignore the other ways the characterization is done

[ashen perch]

I think I may have higher expectations for Dragon than you if you think a Dragon flashback is only possible in the perfect world...

[hardy stratus]

EXACTLY

[wraith mantle]

when does a man die, romeo?

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/vinsmoke-romeo-romeo-vinsmoke-sanji-one-piece-gif-322303217371054444

Never forget...

[thick maple]

https://tenor.com/view/vinsmoke-romeo-romeo-vinsmoke-sanji-one-piece-gif-322303217371054444

[hardy stratus]

Like People say Kaido’s a bad character because they expect only to find stuff in the flahback to directly tell them stuff but not pay attention to any characterization done before or post it

[formal wagon]

vinsmoke romeo

[ashen perch]

yea, I am not making the claim that we need a flashback, I just think we will

[prisma yacht]

It synced

[formal wagon]

what was the bullshit like that i was pushing?

[ashen perch]

just pick anything that you have been pushing

[formal wagon]

😭 naaaah arsal cooked me

🫱

[hardy stratus]

Dragon’s more interesting because we see from others about the force that he is, and the powerless that he was before

[prisma yacht]

It's okay

[formal wagon]

i think it was judge jr

[hardy stratus]

It’s a more dynamic and impactful storytelling method

Than a flahback that just spoonfeed you everything

[native seal]

You say that its more dynamic and impactful until the flashback comes around and suddenly it's the best flashback the series has witnessed

Have seen it happen multiple times before

[hardy stratus]

I won’t be that

[prisma yacht]

I mean if it's gonna be good

[pulsar timber]

Kaido is also apart of 3 other characters flashbacks so he’s an anomaly

[hardy stratus]

Yeah so is dragon part of 3 charactes flashback

God valley, vegapunk, kuma

[native seal]

That's not my point though, I'm just saying the point of fragmented flashbacks being better will be out the window if we get an actual dragon flashback, it will overshadow everything and just be better overall

[ashen perch]

Well I just see flashbacks as Oda taking us into the world of these characters, where they are able to be the main protagonist of their very own stories. Not ''spoonfeeding''.

[hardy stratus]

Wait he was also part of that reverie flahback

[pulsar timber]

A flashback isn’t spoon feeding everything. It’s explaining how we got the man we see today

[blazing depot]

Bot

[royal orchid]

oh I didn't vote yet

[pulsar timber]

The reverie flashback?

[prisma yacht]

Vote for biblu pls

[formal wagon]

CARROT

objectively

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[royal orchid]

biblu doesn't exist carrot wins

[prisma yacht]

:c

[digital spear]

Meet him ... Dragon. The man, the myth, the legend.

[pulsar timber]

In the end kaido still got his own flashback and so will dragon

[hardy stratus]

I think it was the Vivi’s dad one. Dragon’s rise to success is being mentioned

[formal wagon]

🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[dense haven]

potential man

[ashen perch]

I think its the more interesting way to go about it, while also agreeing that it doesnt have to be the only way

[pulsar timber]

Yeah that’s nothing at all

[formal wagon]

can dragon beat imu

[digital spear]

Kaidos real flashback was the Rocks one

Peak comedy

[formal wagon]

with sabo's help

[dense haven]

dragon vs loki who wins

[knotty root]

Mihawk, surprisingly enough has only been in 1 flashback to my memory for a panel. Which was Roger's

[formal wagon]

😭 and it was still ass for him

[hardy stratus]

I think seeing it from perspective of different characters is more impactful personaly

Not all characters need that other one

Hey buffy what’s up

[royal orchid]

the first one right mailbox

[hardy stratus]

I can talk here again

[dense haven]

@pulsar timber dragon vs loki

[formal wagon]

NO!

SECOND

[royal orchid]

yeah I'll vote the first one

[formal wagon]

the second one.

[prisma yacht]

Left left

[formal wagon]

NOOOOOO

NOOOOO

[digital spear]

First one caame first

[prisma yacht]

Left

[hardy stratus]

And we got that in Sabo flashback also

[brittle basin]

Different than TCB right? I think in their translation it suggested that it was physically/mentally damaging to Imu? This makes it seem like a political setback.

[pulsar timber]

Dragon

[blazing depot]

I’m too intelligent for this shit

[dense haven]

fr?

[ashen perch]

I love Kaido as a character, but I still wish we had gotten to see him embody the role of the protagonist of his own world because Oda does that extremely well

[pulsar timber]

3 pages yes

[dark nymph]

good anime ep?

[royal orchid]

white tsk tsk

[pulsar timber]

Mc dad that hasn’t been shown off yet. He’s gonna be nasty

[ashen perch]

its my wish for many characters

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[royal orchid]

ir was fun

[digital spear]

Wait this coming from the Loki guy is crazy

[formal wagon]

😭 bro people ragebaiting me genuinely has to be responsible for a decent quantity of syrup village carrot votes

[prisma yacht]

That's what u get for cheating

[blazing depot]

You weren’t meant to vote for her. This is a sign.

[formal wagon]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[royal orchid]

Nami looked funny

[formal wagon]

carrot sweep

[ashen perch]

I disagree

[prisma yacht]

It is to some extent

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-brook-brook-one-piece-skeleton-afro-gif-15560280492349547943

[hardy stratus]

Yeah and it’s economy in characterization

[pulsar timber]

Dragon is gonna be disgusting

[hardy stratus]

We have got stuff from multiple sources, which are short but all are impactful and contribute to his character

[dense rapids]

You’ll see the most random accounts on Twitter 😭 what’s that pfp 😂

[pulsar timber]

Nothing comparable to kaido who was the primary antagonist of oden and Yamatos flashback and the savior in kings

[formal wagon]

she looks like she's drawn by the guy that made the ace novel manga here

[urban lodge]

How many Rockses will Dragon be worth

[digital spear]

One Piece doesnt have time for single character flashbacks anymore theyre coming in bundles now

[thick maple]

As in?

[royal orchid]

lmao boichi?

[pulsar timber]

Yes I agree dragon is being characterized from multiple povs but he will get and needs his own flashback

[brittle basin]

One Piece fans deserve medieval torture.

[formal wagon]

yeah i forgot his name

[ashen perch]

yes it does

[dense rapids]

Created a account just for nami hate

[digital spear]

Who

[ashen perch]

I think youre misunderstanding Harald's flashback as a bundle flashback

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-gif-8903702775039834655

[knotty root]

We removing zoro's swords and usopp's hammerspace then

[royal orchid]

Harald's flashback? you mean rocks'?

[digital spear]

Its bundular for Xebec Harald Shanks Shamrock and Loki

[prisma yacht]

Loki's?

[ashen perch]

it focuses on many characters but at the same time, it leaves a TON of room for each of the characters to get their own flashbacks

[dense rapids]

It’s the God Valley Arc

[knotty root]

Might as well remove luffy's haki and fruit at that point

[ashen perch]

thats not true at all YC

[royal orchid]

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[ashen perch]

every character you named there, every single one will have their own flashbacks

[wraith mantle]

idk if dragon is gonna be on the level of loki, who seems to be going toe to toe with imu

[royal orchid]

no haters exist at the peak of the mountain

[wraith mantle]

these are manifestations of mythical gods

[formal wagon]

the mountain that cured hiriluk

[hardy stratus]

My main issue isn’t really the flashback but ignoring of everything else

[fast pagoda]

Gold gunko

[formal wagon]

actually the mountain that didnt cure hiriluk

[hardy stratus]

Which is a result of overdependance of viewers on flashbacks

[brittle basin]

Why is her body undulating?

[hardy stratus]

And not being able to try to understand characterization if it’s not done thruogh flashback

[digital spear]

Yeah Xebec will have another bundle with Blackbeard and Loki and Shanks will have another one

[ashen perch]

Shamrock as a baby or his two page appearance in the Holy Land is NOT his flashback. Same with Shanks. We got a lot with Xebec but its still not ultimately his flashback. We did get Loki's childhood but his core years, his post Harald years remain unexplored.

[digital spear]

I didnt say it was

[hardy stratus]

We don’t need to see all of that

[royal orchid]

her aura distorts reality

[ashen perch]

we will!

I dont like the ''need'' framing of it

[knotty root]

It would be kind of a bummer narrative wise. Considering how long he's been built up. But then again, loki is very very strong. But we do have to acknowledge that shanks stopped him

[pulsar timber]

It’s not an overreliance on flashbacks. Oda uses them to give characters further depth and explain how the person we are seeing came to be how they are

[hardy stratus]

I am just against every single aspect of story having the need to be explored

[pulsar timber]

It’s not just rattling off bullet points

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/nami-one-piece-nami-nami-ulti-nami-vs-ulti-nami-thunder-gif-25805641

[pulsar timber]

Which is why odas flashbacks are one of his most praised things

[ashen perch]

you can look back at the series, theres plenty that had been described as unnecessary up until the moment it was actually covered lol

[native seal]

Flashbacks don't have to be viewed as spoonfeeding in the first place

[wraith mantle]

i am starting to doubt the shanks stopping loki bit, there has to be more to the story.

unless dragon has one of the other god fruits, earth or forest.

[pulsar timber]

For example Doffys character becomes a lot worse without his flashback

[hardy stratus]

The fact that you refer to actual characterization as bullet points because they didn’t occur in a flashback proves my point already caleb

[hardy stratus]

Yeah because it depends character by character!

[pulsar timber]

And dragons character is one of those that become much better when you actually show his flashback

[hardy stratus]

I don’t believe so!

[ashen perch]

Well you called it a bundle, but its no different from a character appearing in a flashback lol. We have had these bundle flashbacks since the start by that definition.

[hardy stratus]

I think the fragmented flashbacks from different perspectives work better

Wait I’ll be back later. Cricket match got interesting

[knotty root]

Would you say loki and shanks (seperately) are stronger then prime Roger?

[wraith mantle]

loki is for sure

shanks probably is yeah

[ashen perch]

A flashback is not even close to spoonfeeding, its the creation of a character's very own world by Oda

[digital spear]

Usually the flashbacks were more closed off themselves but nowadays every flashback features something that affected the wider world

[ashen perch]

You get to follow a character on their journey through their specific stories, in their own world, through their own struggles

[knotty root]

Saw a guy that said Roger is stronger than shanks. So might as well ask other people to see if that was the general perception of their strength within the community

[brittle basin]

some benefit from flashbacks, others maybe not so much. probably just depends on which character, how much we know about them and how much more we need to see about them. emphasis on need. it's best not to conflate need with personal desire.

[hardy stratus]

People don't like the word need here Buffy

[wraith mantle]

will garp get his own flashback

[hardy stratus]

@cosmic hamlet ping me when superover starts

[blazing depot]

Niggas calling this “aura loss” lmao

[knotty root]

Crocodile didn't hsve a flashback on alabasta and he was fine

[brittle basin]

you didn't need senor pink's flashback, but it was awesome. i also don't need to see loki fight shanks, but i'm sure oda could make it good.

[digital spear]

Who said Dragon shouldnt have a flashback?

[dense rapids]

Shanks beating Loki and fearing/losing to Blackbeard means that Blackbeard is Imu level

[formal wagon]

lucci didnt have a flashback

[urban lodge]

We don't "need" a lot of things, but the story would be worse without a lot of them

[hardy stratus]

ME

[formal wagon]

and he was everyones favorite until egghead

[digital spear]

Yeah I dont get it

[digital spear]

What is your reason

[urban lodge]

We don't "need" the warlords for example, they weren't part of the original plan for the story

[brittle basin]

this is probably a healthier balance of looking at it

[formal wagon]

Dragon already got a flashback?

[hardy stratus]

It's more interesting seeing him from different perspectives like we have so far

[formal wagon]

dragon got 3 flashbacks already?

[brittle basin]

and i'm sure there are flashbacks you truly never need. makino for example

[urban lodge]

And yet they're some of the coolest and most beloved

[ashen perch]

Oden's was the same. If youre thinking earlier, then Law's was the same. If you're thinking even earlier, then Luffy and Robin's too were the same. These are all flashback that managed to touch upon the stories of many characters at the same time, effectively.

[hardy stratus]

4*

[prisma yacht]

I need him to get a small one before he dies

[prisma yacht]

that is after wgs downfall

[formal wagon]

what am i missing im thinking of GV kuma, and sabo

[hardy stratus]

vegapunk

[brittle basin]

and sometimes, mystery can have a greater impact than knowledge. sometimes it's OK to let things just not be explored so that the reader can always have something to wonder on.

[knotty root]

Same thing for the supernovas

[ashen perch]

I dont think its the right way to frame things, and I get more and more tired of hearing it as all the things that I have been told were unnecessary were not viewed that way by Oda at all.

[hardy stratus]

THANKS

[knotty root]

Oda created them on the spot

[formal wagon]

oh yeah in my head thats lowkey combined with kuma, but ur right

[hardy stratus]

Buffy has the voice of reason

[digital spear]

Yeah it got bigger over time Oden was a big one because we really saw Roger for the first time

[royal orchid]

I hope we get MORE bullshit
I hope imu gets stretched into a pretzel shape by luffy
I hope imu throws Imu Imu no Omen Pistol at luffy

[formal wagon]

this is true, but i hate when some series take this too far. Like Bethesda games

[brittle basin]

ASOIAF is the example I go to. not knowing certain things about that story greatly enhances it. that doesn't mean one method is better than the other, only that you can get good from both revealing and not revealing depending on the context of the story

[hardy stratus]

Law was a nothing character pre it, so that makes it impactgul

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[wet condor]

Yeah. A lot of stuff isn't "needed", but it can enhance the story — greatly even lol

[hardy stratus]

for Dragon we have seen it in fragmented way

[formal wagon]

IT DOESNT

[pulsar timber]

Maybe for world building stuff but I don’t know why you wouldn’t try to explore your characters more. If you’re referring to the dragon stuff

[blazing depot]

Family ❤️

[digital spear]

If we were in ASOIAF wed definitely get more about Dragon I feel like

[urban lodge]

Yep, I can't imagine one piece without the warlords, or the supernova

[brittle basin]

i like draon's backstory, it was nice on GV. but you can run into dissenting opinions. yesterday, Red mentioned he didn't like seeing more of Roger because it took away from his mystique. and i don't blame him for thinking that.

[wraith mantle]

its funny because ASOIF doesnt do flashbacks no?

[hardy stratus]

Characterization can be done without flashbacks!

[wraith mantle]

its just characters describing past events

[pulsar timber]

Dragon isn’t a mystified character like roger though

[hardy stratus]

Is what I am advocating for!

[dense haven]

yea but that requires a good writer

[hardy stratus]

Yeah Oda has done it with Kaido

[brittle basin]

don't take it up with me, take it up with Red. I enjoyed seeing more of Roger's flawed beginnings

[royal orchid]

and oda is a hack

[hardy stratus]

and already with Garp

[digital spear]

Yeah it just tells about the past but its easier because its a book like you read it anyway

[dense haven]

oda did shit with kaido

[ashen perch]

Yeah they have but they still only focus on some parts of their lives, like Robin's covers the impact Ohara had on Kuzan or Saul. The scale has gotten bigger, but the formula has remained the same.

[hardy stratus]

He did plenty

[prisma yacht]

Loved how short and on point kaido's fb was

[digital spear]

Yeah im talking about scale

[warm sierra]

kinda crazy that chopper only likes cotton candy since the davy back fight

[ashen perch]

yeah I agree with that, where I disagree is the idea that we werent doing multiple characters at the same time before, bundling up the stories of different characters specifically

thats always been a thing, Harald's was not the first to do it

[royal orchid]

Kaido's backstory: I was born at a very young age... I couldn't speak for years...

[hardy stratus]

Wait Arsal are you in a different convo than mine

[runic dock]

Yeah like Oda was when he made croc

[ashen perch]

oh yea

[brittle basin]

You don't need a flashback to have good characterization, no. but it can help, again depending on the context.

[runic dock]

Croc is plenty characterized spice

[ashen perch]

Kaido was well written

[cosmic hamlet]

Starting

[ashen perch]

Crocodile was too

[brittle basin]

Kaido was exactly what Oda needed him to be

[ashen perch]

thats called being well written

but yeah

[blazing depot]

There is no heterosexual explanation.

[runic dock]

Crocodile is a better example as he is incredibly popular with people who love backstory villains lol

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think anyone is trying to say you can’t be cha re characterized well without a flashback

[runic dock]

And he has none

[hardy stratus]

Join you later arsal

[ashen perch]

cya

[brittle basin]

i guess you could've gotten more, but not sure it mattered much with him. hell, he might've been an example of less is more if Oda had shown no flashback with him and King.

[prisma yacht]

We need crocos backstory so we know it for sure that croco is genderfluid

[ashen perch]

I dont really take those people seriously, they are possessed by nostalgia

[runic dock]

Real

[ashen perch]

and nostalgia affects them even if they watched the series 6 months ago

[brittle basin]

nostalgia is much more related to childhood and teenage years than anything else

[ashen perch]

because lets be real, the series is such a long journey, it literally makes you nostalgic for the earlier parts of it because they are further from your mind than anything that was recent

[brittle basin]

it's hard to be objective when you keep your past experiences like that in mind

[hardy stratus]

People are always nostalgic for when things are simple

have experienced it with any long series

Which slowly increases scale

[ashen perch]

yea, it was the same with the other big 3 you love

[hardy stratus]

It's even in those long ass fantasy books

[prisma yacht]

What do you expect in a dragon flashback if we get one

[ashen perch]

criticism really could be boiled down to ''man the old days were simple and fun and cool'' very very often, and I am not saying all of it

but much of it atleast

[hardy stratus]

People don't like thepr normalcy of normal change

Caughttttt

wait wrong channel

[knotty root]

I liked Croc because of the stakes. The fact that luffy gets defeated multiple times made me make a face. The suspense was real

[brittle basin]

Buffy arguably starts worse and gets better as it goes along. you can get the opposite effect.

[dark nymph]

this means that op will be a masterpiece unanimously a few years after it ends

[ashen perch]

Thats the thing with older series yea, people do not give them the freedom to evolve at all, they are attached to the earlier parts that were simpler, even if that was by design lol

[hardy stratus]

@cosmic hamlet ping me again when second part of super over starts. Thanks

[hardy stratus]

PreTS better as it focused on adventure

preTS better as it was less characters

[ashen perch]

[hardy stratus]

The element and motif of fate completely ignored cuz every story needs to be a underdog story

[cosmic hamlet]

Whats there to watch? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[ashen perch]

even thats like really just, pre Water 7

[prisma yacht]

Did i win

[hardy stratus]

Maybe they would get two out before one run

[cosmic hamlet]

No, super over happening but you might lose

[prisma yacht]

I don't lose

[hardy stratus]

the superover in this match ended at 1-2 arsal btw

[cosmic hamlet]

I said the same, kkr 0 allout 😂

[prisma yacht]

I win

[ashen perch]

hell, even Jaya rips apart any concepts of simplicity and casual fun little adventure you possibly had at the time

[hardy stratus]

super fun match

[pulsar timber]

Alabasta* introduced ancient island wiping weapons

[hardy stratus]

We went from 264 being chased yesterday

to superover at 155

[brittle basin]

I don't know when the adventure stopped being a silly adventure. Arlong?

[hardy stratus]

Back on topic

[ashen perch]

I dont really pay much attention to Cricket these days ngl, just been super busy

[brittle basin]

Baratie?

[ashen perch]

also youre right Caleb

but Jaya is where Oda gets really in your face with it

[torn stirrup]

imagine being this guy

[ashen perch]

I'd agree on Baratie

[cosmic hamlet]

Starting

[hardy stratus]

Be OP
Have the god motif on Skupiea
Have that Luffy execution scene
A scenario the story only constructed in the first place to make a point about fate

Then many people initially just think "what, lightning randomly struck? what a lucky asspull to get him out of that"
Then people are at dismay at G5 and Nika

[hardy stratus]

Thanks

[prisma yacht]

Who is that

😭

Why is he cosplaying crocodile

[ashen perch]

people like that really just gotta reread at some point ngl

[torn stirrup]

random background gifter during the raid lol

[ashen perch]

to me, it feels like the product of them forgetting these aspects of the series established early on

[hardy stratus]

People just don't want any other story other than one of a underdog

[brittle basin]

Luffy was special from the beginning, i believe a specific character outright states it

[hardy stratus]

Literally any other concept of a MC is criminal for stories

for people

OP outright shows and says it plenty of tines

[ashen perch]

and those people gotta read other stories

[trim lily]

or you go the complete opposite direction with the wish fulfillment op protagonist

[ashen perch]

its a classic case of misplaced expectations

[brittle basin]

but luffy is physically shown as an underdog at times until he (sometimes with the help of his crew) overcomes the challenge.

[ashen perch]

you gotta understand the series youre reading and expect only that out of it

[pulsar timber]

Crocus says he’s like roger, woop slap Literallt ponders if Luffy becoming pk is his “dream or destiny”

[ashen perch]

Kureha

[hardy stratus]

Underdog in a conflict doesn't necessarily mean its the general character trait

[prisma yacht]

Woop slap is the real final antag

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/SirFahoD/status/2048434686662181154/photo/1

Fhd 👑🇰🇼 (@SirFahoD)

Gol D Roger

#ONEPIECE

X · Apr 26, 2026, 4:11 PM

[trim lily]

i havent really felt like luffy wasnt the underdog in the story generally, up until later in the timeskip

[digital spear]

This would be the case if he was still a mystery character but he isnt

[brittle basin]

was it kureha who straight up said he was special or had a destiny?

[trim lily]

like theres degrees of special to luffy, but a lot of protagonists are like that

[brittle basin]

i agree, just wanted to point out it's not as simple as fate or as simple as underdog. you can have a mixture of both

[ashen perch]

the definition that people like that have of underdog is a guy who is nothing, started from nothing and is meant to be nothing really

[trim lily]

it depends on how much special you can like or put up with

[hardy stratus]

The series explicitly has fate as a core element of the story

Multiple time

which people ignore as that scene specific asspull

instead of a general characteristic

and element of the stoeu

[pulsar timber]

Every pre timeskip character and legend said Luffy reminded him of roger and that he would likely become the king, his idol is an emperor , his father the worlds most infamous criminal and his grandfather the hero of the marines

[trim lily]

i want to say oda embraces fate but it feels like he also goes against it

[brittle basin]

yeah that's cool. and luffy also faces overwhelming challenge at times. i like the story having both.

[hardy stratus]

Yeye

[trim lily]

though with his father and grandfather cant you argue thats luffy going against a fate

[pulsar timber]

I’d say otherwise because dragon wanted him to be free to choose and garp wanted him as a marine

[hardy stratus]

In general, fate is a core element there

[pulsar timber]

So there wasn’t any fate for him to follow there

[hardy stratus]

going outside or being moved by it

[trim lily]

yeah fate is a big part of one piece, portrayed both positively and negatively

[ashen perch]

Many characters, Woop Slap outright implies that its his destiny, Kureha is the first character to hint at a meaning of the Will of D and says that Chopper might've gotten away with a guy who's a lot more than he could ever expect, Crocus says that he might be the one that they have been waiting for. WB backs him up in Marineford for the same reason and Luffy is framed as the guy who is meant to shoulder centuries of history against the WG. Theres a lot.

[trim lily]

though for luffy (and blackbeard i guess) it seems to be more positive

[hardy stratus]

ye

[brittle basin]

OK, I'm probably thinking Woop Slap then.

[hardy stratus]

That Kureha line is my fav part of all OP
Like nothing comes close

[pulsar timber]

Feels the aura

[prisma yacht]

Final antag.

[ashen perch]

such a great line

[hardy stratus]

It's just one sentence showing the sheer scale and elements at play and that things aren't simple as it is

[ashen perch]

the databook btw, says that Woop Slap says this because he knows something about Luffy that only a few people do

[hardy stratus]

"So it still lives, D no Ishi"

https://tenor.com/view/chills-literal-gif-13287875

Chills even thinking about it

[ashen perch]

Its still unclear what that actually means, maybe Woop Slap is just talking about the Will of D

[trim lily]

woop slap knows luffy is a descendant of joyboy

[hardy stratus]

Oh yeah Arsal what did you think of Rocks by the end

around top character of the fb or no

[ashen perch]

uh oh

[brittle basin]

I like Rocks.

Penny doesn't, but they're a russian bot.

[prisma yacht]

Ur on gun point

Arsal

[ashen perch]

I liked Kuma, Oden, Corazon, Hiriluk and Tom more....

🏃‍♂️

[hardy stratus]

Smh

[brittle basin]

that's not what he asked smh

I LIKE ROCKS

[prisma yacht]

[hardy stratus]

He will change his mind later buffy dw

[ashen perch]

by top I assume he means like top 5

[trim lily]

my lawyers have advised me not to comment on rocks

[ashen perch]

I like Rocks, he'd be 6 or 7

[hardy stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/head-cup-cuphead-6-7-6-7-kid-gif-10204026017230907141

[brittle basin]

Mods, remove him from existence.

[hardy stratus]

Best character of the Rocks flashback

Y'all are wrong

[ashen perch]

I liked Harald more too

Loki

[prisma yacht]

I liked harald and loki more

[trim lily]

i remember when it was the harald and loki flashback...

[brittle basin]

Harald was a funny guy

[ashen perch]

Youre not ready for Louis Arnot to clear Xebec btw

[hardy stratus]

Rocks was the top

Then garp

[hardy stratus]

Then loki

[ashen perch]

he's the man that Brook owed everything to, the father of Princess Sherry Arnot

[hardy stratus]

then dragon

Then harald

[prisma yacht]

Louis arnot

[trim lily]

i hate louis arnot

[hardy stratus]

oh yeah how do you think Sheri thinf would be handled

[ashen perch]

no you dont

[trim lily]

stupid vagueposter

[brittle basin]

But I like how basic Rocks is in his presentation. Just no nonsense charisma and respect for the davy back fight and powerful and cool and blahblahblah family man blahblahblah pissed in Imu's garden blahblahblah "I'll be back" like the Terminator. So cool.

[hardy stratus]

I was disappointed it wasn't him singing Binks sake to have any effrct

[trim lily]

i hope it still might

[ashen perch]

Gunko's freed now so I am expecting Brook to confront her this time without Imu possessing her

[trim lily]

im still a bit annoyed how fast imuko was dealt with

[ashen perch]

and then we can get that flashback. I dont believe the arc is anywhere near its end so there's plenty of tiem for that

[brittle basin]

Arsal, you have like 10-20 flashbacks left in your ideal version of the story right?

[hardy stratus]

God Valley portion after Imu takes over to Xebec being killed is peak of The Series

[prisma yacht]

Harald saying I love you to loki while he was about to die is the best moment in flashback for me

[ashen perch]

I think more

[pulsar timber]

Harald=rocks, then Loki then dragon

[unkempt sable]

[fast pagoda]

I think the Omen made Gunko's will submitted again

[hardy stratus]

Muk...

I forgive you for your ws takes

[unkempt sable]

I’m still a harald defender

[pulsar timber]

[ashen perch]

oh I mean freed from the ice, shes gonna be the same Gunko we knew before

[fast pagoda]

Either way, I think Gunko will show up when least expected and end up doing something surprising

[muted hedge]

Harald is great

[prisma yacht]

What's there to defend

[unkempt sable]

Also are we ever gonna see that hybrid form like we saw in the flashback from Loki

[leaden rivet]

Yeah really what is there to defend

[ashen perch]

hybrid loki next chapter

[prisma yacht]

Yc is cooking something for us

[hardy stratus]

Not personally
I think the only reason it worked is because the powers were unique and in combination the chaos they created made it difficult to deal with

The slightest opening they got

Cuz of Brook the MVP

It was dealt with

[prisma yacht]

Luffy joins the moment loki uses hybrid

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-cooking-gif-25270519

[urban lodge]

I forgive Oda because I would have cursed his entire bloodline for eternity if he had Luffy punch Imu in Gunko's body

[unkempt sable]

He did it for the betterment of his people and that not joining rocks wasnt the worst option (it also wasn’t the best, but there was no winning in his situation )

[brittle basin]

I would've paid money to see that. Not because it's good, but because you would hate it.

[hardy stratus]

Is it corn flames

sorry for dad humor

[muted hedge]

corn?

[prisma yacht]

He did tho...but in the blob imuko form...

[brittle basin]

do you have corn flakes? they're decent.

[dense haven]

thats very sexist of you

[hardy stratus]

When's choptir

[urban lodge]

It's character-ist

[hardy stratus]

I want choptir

[trim lily]

2 weeks

[unkempt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/gunko-imu-luffy-one-piece-shanks-gif-16290906651819425541

[prisma yacht]

Feeso said choptir in 10mins

[unkempt sable]

I still think not joining rocks was the right decision. I don’t agree with what I’m trying to turn him in tho

[hardy stratus]

He was a cog in the machine that tried to break free but there was no breaking free

[hardy stratus]

I mean obv it us

Is*

Harald made the correct decisions

That's what made him a tragedy

[trim lily]

harald was very well intentioned and thought he made all the right choices, he just wasnt aware what he was up against

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/avaxxah/status/2048424097236074860?s=46

▫️ (@avaxxah)

how some of y’all making theories #ONEPIECE1181

X · Apr 26, 2026, 3:28 PM

[trim lily]

no one could have guessed the person at the top of the WG was The Devil

[hardy stratus]

"Ida was the only Mother I had" still hurts man

[rare ivy]

Gunko is the S-Snake of Elbaf

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[unkempt sable]

I know the anime gonna go crazy with the flashback

[trim lily]

can they even fit it into one season

[unkempt sable]

Speaking as if they continue this one chapter and episode pace what chapter will they end on?

[hardy stratus]

Anime bad

[brittle basin]

"who knew hell was at the top of the world" - Sabo
"That could mean anything." - fans
though to be fair, maybe it could've meant anything metaphorical lol

[unkempt sable]

!toei

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/588976616634581002/image0.jpg

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/hayao-miyazaki-anime-mistake-otaku-weeaboo-gif-9307885

[trim lily]

though does this mean christianity is canon in one piece

[hardy stratus]

It's just very slow man

[prisma yacht]

The gonna do a blast for imu's entry

[hardy stratus]

even today's ep which had some amazing scenes

[brittle basin]

Jesus has a DF

[trim lily]

did we get more than 1 chapter adapted this episode

[hardy stratus]

it felt like I was watching it in 0.75

[prisma yacht]

No

[trim lily]

huge

[hardy stratus]

OP's first world is human world

been telling you since forever

[trim lily]

op is actually a post apocalyptic bible allegory

[unkempt sable]

I don’t know how we’ve gotten your worst pacing since the end of egg head😭

[urban lodge]

Kuma is carrying a bible...

[prisma yacht]

Biblu....

[lofty fern]

The idea of "you don't respect me enough" is actually even better. I don't think that's going to change though Loki

[brittle basin]

Goda

[hardy stratus]

It's literally Paradise Lost but inverted 😭

You might be joking

[trim lily]

only a bit

but there is a funny amount of references to christian things

[unkempt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-fencing-anime-toothpick-gif-20272135

[trim lily]

imu is causing a global flood to rid the world of undesirables or sinners, theres a literal noah's ark

[lofty fern]

Thank you Viz, you satisfied by old english craving unlike TCB over there

[unkempt sable]

How we feel about imu=mihawk theories

[hardy stratus]

It's so obvious still no one thought that lol