also-manga

[urban lodge]

[graceful belfry]

I was so wrong about her being a one and done antagonist

She’s definitely moving forward past Elbaf

[prisma yacht]

Ppl started calling me biblu it was getting weird

😭

[hardy stratus]

I was in doubt wondering if Oda could deliver God Valley when it started about with Shakky

[iron oriole]

[urban lodge]

I hope so

[hardy stratus]

then came Rocks and Harald convo about Davy D Rocks

[iron oriole]

Backfired hard, thats amazing

[hardy stratus]

then God Valley being Davy clan's hideout

[urban lodge]

I think her arc might get resolved here though considering the parallels she has with Loki

[hardy stratus]

then immediately it delivered and then just added upon added to it

[prisma yacht]

Goro do you know theres global voting going on

[iron oriole]

Vote Tama btw

[prisma yacht]

Wld u like to vote for biblu

[prisma yacht]

After biblu

[iron oriole]

Vote Tama with the special link & then Biblu with the normal

[hardy stratus]

the fact that the statement "Garp and Roger teamed up to defeat Rock" wouldn't feel as right before but then with whole domi reversi and the first team up was for Saturn is so good

God Valley portion was just pure emotional and hype rollercoastet

[iron oriole]

The teamup was vs Imu not Saturn, Saturn wasn't in control

Or as we like to call it, Imuturn

[hardy stratus]

I voted for Garp
If this was one that was active a month ago

[hardy stratus]

Semantics

You know what I mean smh

[prisma yacht]

You can vote again

[iron oriole]

Was just clarifying, never know

[hardy stratus]

Oh

[urban lodge]

You can vote every day

The poll lasts until june 11

[hardy stratus]

oh too much effort

God Valley got Garp in #1 character even more

[urban lodge]

True

He and Dragon were the best part

[hardy stratus]

Penny still donning the Gunko pfp I see

[urban lodge]

Hell yeah

[hardy stratus]

one thing that hasn't changed in 6 months

[urban lodge]

Best character in the arc

[hardy stratus]

Tis Loki

[graceful belfry]

I still think the group attack against SaturnMu is the height of God Valley

[urban lodge]

Loki is like third

Harald second

[graceful belfry]

Spread is engrained into my mind forever

[hardy stratus]

Uhh the first one with Kaido and everyone

[iron oriole]

Idk what my favourite part of GV is

I loved it all

[graceful belfry]

Yeah

[hardy stratus]

I think it was slightly underwhelming in composition for me

[iron oriole]

It might be Ray saving Shakky actually

Seeing Sommers get blasted is always satisfying

[hardy stratus]

The perspective didn't seem as right

[graceful belfry]

It was a bit, yes. Just from a narrative perspective, though, you’ve got all those legacy characters performing an attack against the overarching shadow lord of the world. Just works really well for me

[hardy stratus]

I know what mine is cuz of my smart watch giving me an alert of elevated heart beat

Had to stop reading for a while

[iron oriole]

Lmao

[hardy stratus]

It was the final attack sequence against Rocks

[iron oriole]

Chapter so fire your smart watch had to tell you to chill

[hardy stratus]

I used to think people were exaggerating when I heard that

Had heard it happen to a couple of people

[urban lodge]

Happened to me minus the smart watch part with 1149

[warm falcon]

franky is a strawhat that deserves more love

[urban lodge]

It's also when I stopped reading spoilers so it was amplified even further

[warm falcon]

morning

[urban lodge]

Morning

[hardy stratus]

1149 was first Imu appearance?

[urban lodge]

Imu possessing Gunko and the hints at her past

[warm falcon]

<1000

[hardy stratus]

Yeah that was great

[hardy stratus]

Err inmean in elbaf

I dont mean that reverie one

[warm falcon]

okie

[iron oriole]

I've probably had a raised heart beat many times while getting hyped but i cant say when

[hardy stratus]

Whats with enel theories recently

I had once stumbled upon an enel panel as a theory post 1180

[urban lodge]

Imu is kinda reminiscent of him

[hardy stratus]

Onlu saw enel so idk what it was about

[dense haven]

goro you missed the soyjakgate

[prisma yacht]

Reals

[urban lodge]

And definitely intentionally parallels him

[remote maple]

imu has very similar design and philosophy to enel

[dense haven]

also you missed goon valley

[urban lodge]

Basically Imu is what Enel wishes he could be

[hardy stratus]

Goon valley?

[dense haven]

and time dilation

[hardy stratus]

Oh obv

[dense haven]

and halucination piece

[prisma yacht]

Time dilation is real

[graceful belfry]

More or less an extension of the idea that Skypiea Saga is a microcosm of the entire story

[urban lodge]

The new theory is legoland time loop

[hardy stratus]

Dw i was there in time dilation and hallucination piece

I was part of the hallucination piece supporter

So over

[prisma yacht]

Btw

[final trench]

Probably

[prisma yacht]

Do you know what the elbaf's librarian called now

[pine ridge]

saul

[hardy stratus]

Nein

[remote maple]

the big fat owl

[hardy stratus]

Skypiea haters losing

Love to see it

[graceful belfry]

I wonder where Killingham ran off to btw. In the latest chapter, he didn’t seem like he was near Sanji’s group anymore

[hardy stratus]

Pls have Nerona be Lunarian

I would be winning SO SO much

[dense haven]

loki vs kaido who wins @hardy stratus

[hardy stratus]

Is muk still official only

[hardy stratus]

Loki ez

[urban lodge]

I think he's just a human, he just shares the same luciferian imagery as lunarians

[urban lodge]

Nah

[graceful belfry]

He seems like an amalgamation of different races, to me. It’s interesting that he can call upon the Lunarian-esque wings at will and simply retract them when he’s done flying

[hardy stratus]

So he read the chapter alr?

[urban lodge]

He always got spoiled so he's reading tcb now

Yep

[hardy stratus]

Lmao

@pulsar timber i caught up bitch

😎

[hardy stratus]

Just have the base be Lunarian fr

[urban kiln]

goro do you think Sanji is going to unlock conquerors haki after seeing the little gag about him asking gabban if he has it, and finding out its needed to damage gods knights?

[hardy stratus]

I hope he finds an alt way to damage without coc

[graceful belfry]

The silhouette doesn’t really align, no? I mean for Imu’s “base” form, as we’ll call it for now

[urban kiln]

I hope other characters find that

but I think Sanji needs conq

lol

[graceful belfry]

Sanji should get it

[hardy stratus]

Trusting Silhouette in ONE PIECE???

[unkempt dagger]

Omen to all

[hardy stratus]

someone send that post EL silhouette of yonko

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-one-piece-one-piece-prince-crown-gif-2482972197937608724

[hardy stratus]

Oh yeah loki even better

[graceful belfry]

But the steel heart seems like something Oda introduced into the fold for guys like Kid and Law to have a fighting chance against the KOG. Kid already has Conquerers anyways, though lol

[hardy stratus]

I am with bon on Sanji having CoC not being good for his character

[graceful belfry]

I am in this instance, yeah. Mostly cause I think Oda has the design set in mind already

[final trench]

Bro WHAT happened to this mans crew

[urban kiln]

idk bon's take on this, elaborate

[hardy stratus]

You were there during it

[urban kiln]

idr bon's take then

lol

[unkempt dagger]

So couldnt Captain John back then lured in a Holy Knight on God’s valley? Or lets just have it known that only Sommers has this weakness.

[hardy stratus]

Sometime later. I am tyoing on ipad so its difficult for long messages

[graceful belfry]

Bon is a wholehearted Elbaf denier. I don’t think he enjoys the direction it’s shifted the story in

[hardy stratus]

Teue sad

[graceful belfry]

But I won’t straw man here

Idk his particular take about Sanji and conquerers

[dark nymph]

Maybe the flames are just his black flames, and he dodged that 3rd hit against Loki with lunarian speed, like the panel cuts away when the attack is about to land

[graceful belfry]

The halo could be his flame, yeah. It’s positioned correctly

[dark nymph]

If he tanked it then what was the point of blocking the first two attacks

[urban kiln]

@hardy stratus all I can find is this

[hardy stratus]

I want the irugnuak power being aomsthing that oredates dfs

Original*

something*

so imu’s power is predating dfs

Seems like its going in that direction

Would make swnse with the rwo apocalyptic events

Any theory on how chopper’s slap is working

[graceful belfry]

I can’t wait for more Imu lore lol. I hope we don’t shift away next chapter. At least let Imu and Loki finish their fight and Luffy arrive

[graceful belfry]

Only awful ones

[urban kiln]

Are you talking about this? I don't agree with this take on what conquerors haki is, nor what Sanji's character development has been. "Conqeuror" can hold many meanings, and doesn't need to refer to literally like pillaging and enslaving people or something. And I believe the qualities of a conqueror can be applied to other things besides fighting. Conquer the sea to find the all blue. Conquer love. Etc.

[urban lodge]

The most popular one is he's the forest god lmao

[hardy stratus]

Ye this

Fair. It would deoend on how Oda internalizes it when that moment arrives

[iron oriole]

Thats Imu though

[hardy stratus]

Sp we are back on Jika

[urban lodge]

Everyone has a secret god fruit

[urban kiln]

Sanji escaped his family to become subservient to others and that was him giving up on his dreams. Luffy and Zoro inspired him to finally chase his dream of conqueroring the oceans and finding the all blue.

[dark nymph]

Imu turned off his flames here to gain a speed boost, thats why we cut away

[hardy stratus]

Hmmm

Yeah i think it depends how Conquerors would mean in grand scheme of things

[graceful belfry]

I think Oda’s going for the parallel regardless of how we interpret the themes and such

[hardy stratus]

Like younsaid

[graceful belfry]

Gaban has it, so Sanji will too

[hardy stratus]

So yea i can see it but depends on how uts done

[ocean sigil]

4 years ago is actually so crazy..

[hardy stratus]

JURA MY MAN

Hows it going

[iron oriole]

Sanji will use PoL

[ocean sigil]

How you doing Goro ma maan

[hardy stratus]

P good p good

[ocean sigil]

Still alive surviving

[hardy stratus]

Same same

[graceful belfry]

Locked her up in the Toei HQ after this, made to work on supplemental material and openings

[hardy stratus]

I like how God valley differentiated luffy/roger, etc

When oden fb had people going he made roger luffy clone-ish

[thick maple]

Goro do you like Imus design?

[hardy stratus]

Ye

I am hardly picky wirh desifns i think

[graceful belfry]

Honestly has always felt like a misplaced interpretation of the two. Luffy will be more emblematic of Joyboy anyways

[hardy stratus]

Ye

[final trench]

Exactly

Because the WG are liars

[final trench]

Damn i was on jaya🥹

[hardy stratus]

It feels like the chapter was 4 years ago man

[urban kiln]

This is a Sanji who has submitted to giving up on his dreams because of his past trauma and now feeling a debt to the first father figure he ever had. But as we've learned throughout the story, Sanji's true nature doesn't match the words he expresses here. He's inherently self sacrificial, partly because of his backstory as well. He's also had a lot of self doubt, and a hard time relying on others as well. Its only in Wano that he started gaining more confidence and decided to rely on others more, following his own advice he gave Usopp.

I think this shift and newfound confidence, no longer being held back by his origins etc, is the catalyst for him to start unlocking his innate conqueror's haki. Hes finally become his own person, unshackled by his past.

[hardy stratus]

Hmmm

Yeah I like thay

[pulsar timber]

Finally

[graceful belfry]

If Oda’s not tripping then Luffy will be the only instance of a mythical zoan fruit that had it’s name obscured

[hardy stratus]

Ye

[graceful belfry]

Chopper shouldn’t have one. Blackbeard shouldn’t have one (although he’ll get a mythical zoan later down the line)

[hardy stratus]

Support my theory yet?

[urban kiln]

so you're saying all human fruits should have this power?

[final trench]

I hope he rocks out with the logia🥹

[hardy stratus]

The one for which I got you to read that book Muk

[pulsar timber]

What theory

[graceful belfry]

I think it could be really clever to just have this be an effect of the basic Human Human fruit, yeah

[pulsar timber]

I don’t remember what that was

[graceful belfry]

Not that all humans should have it

Just Chopper

[final trench]

[hardy stratus]

Which power

[urban kiln]

ah gotcha

[final trench]

Zoans align with wills, chopper wants to be THE cure

[graceful belfry]

To revert Domi Reversi

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-monster-monster-point-chopper-monster-monster-chopper-gif-22856459

Kumadori(?) was too scared to move

Thats that conquerors

[hardy stratus]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

How would that work

I am thinking of a valid reason for it

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think it’ll be the case Goro

[hardy stratus]

So you don't subscribe to Imu being Lunarian

😔

[pulsar timber]

Maybe something similar

[prisma yacht]

Daddy lunarian

[pulsar timber]

Imu isn’t a lunarian yeah

[hardy stratus]

Imu is a Lunarian who was one of the oppressed groups or w/e and who fought with Joyboy and then betrayed him and caused the experimentation and persecution of lunarian

Yoo jesus

[hot cairn]

finally

[hardy stratus]

Hehe

How's time piece going

[graceful belfry]

Domi Reversi corrupts people into something inhumane and Chopper has a fruit that turned him into a human, so my very basic line of thinking is that Chopper could advance that or awaken the ability of “becoming a human” into something that, in this instance, restores the humanity to the individuals that have lost it through Imu’s Domi Reversi

Something like this works a lot better for me than

[hardy stratus]

I don't think I really buy that

[graceful belfry]

“Bet you guys didn’t guess that Chopper also has a mythical zoan fruit”

[alpine trench]

dont think chopper's fruit has anything to do with it

[hardy stratus]

I think something regarding Zoans having Soul would factor in surely

But I don't know how or why

[graceful belfry]

I’d also be open to this, yeah

[final trench]

Either chopper has a godly zoan

[dense rapids]

Has anyone ever looked into where the original Vander Decken could’ve come from?

[hardy stratus]

Yeah that would be not so good

[final trench]

Or imu chose chopper to be the white chips

[urban kiln]

The idea of demons and humans being polar opposites works for me

[final trench]

Thinking he was too weak

[hot cairn]

sup man, are you liking Elbaph?

[hardy stratus]

Yes

It is very good

[rocky plank]

Yes it is

[dense haven]

goro did you like imu

[red hazel]

It’s starting slow like the manga but it’s great

[hardy stratus]

Ye

[graceful belfry]

I just think that Devil Fruits as a power system have a lot of room for abstraction and flexibility. Robin’s fruit is like a perfect example of this

[hardy stratus]

elbaf?
Slow?

Spice not liking Imu?

[dense haven]

final villain fr

[rocky plank]

😊

[pulsar timber]

Imus skin shade is a shade darker than lunarians so I don’t think he is one

[rocky plank]

Nah

[dense haven]

oda ran out of ink

[rocky plank]

Final villain will be bb

[urban lodge]

Final villain will be Buggy

Main villain will be Imu

[rocky plank]

Delet reaction

[muted hedge]

final villain will be your mom

[thick maple]

@urban lodge

[noble carbon]

Who the fuck is Mike Brown

[hot cairn]

Caleb

[pulsar timber]

I knew Oda had chopper super active looking for weaknesses for a reason

[graceful belfry]

😭

[noble carbon]

No I mean who is Mike Brown

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[pulsar timber]

Mike brown is the head coach of the New York Knicks

[dense haven]

goro what do you think of chopper secretely being a god too

[hardy stratus]

Isn't the case

[muted hedge]

it probably is

[dense haven]

explain his holy slap then

[muted hedge]

forest god Chopper

[rocky plank]

@hot cairn love your name

[urban lodge]

Garling being his own friend, lover and crush

[hardy stratus]

Each Zoans have a soul and that somehow factors jn

[hot cairn]

thank you, we’re going to Lodestar soon

[thick maple]

It fits his character perfectly

[pulsar timber]

Imu is the forest god not chopper

Chopper isn’t taming demons

[hardy stratus]

Imu doesn't have a df

[muted hedge]

he is

[pine ridge]

he literally is

[urban lodge]

Robin and Brook will be secret gods too

[hardy stratus]

He predates DF

[pulsar timber]

He is not

He’s just flipping them back to being human

[graceful belfry]

He’s reverting the effects

[hardy stratus]

Robin and Nami are already gods :hornyposting:

[muted hedge]

yes, taming them

[pulsar timber]

Taming would mean keeping them under control while they’re still demons

Or having some level of control over them

Which he doesn’t have

[urban kiln]

I dont buy into them outright having a soul. I just think that, due to the nature of them being animal fruits, there is an animalistic will but not a LITERAL soul (imo)

and that will disappears

when theyre eaten

[final trench]

True

Awakened robin is PENDING

[rocky plank]

I think it will be as zou, short but lots of info, it will start by summer imo

[vernal ravine]

i think zoan fruits are just a counter of domi reversi cause they have their own will giving chopper a god fruit atp is lame af for me

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-demon-nico-robin-nico-robin-gif-15777667865797486985

[hardy stratus]

See I am a supporter of Zoan DFs being part of a brutal multi species experimentation and all the creatures that are zoans are species that actually existed in first or second world

Might never end up being true but I am a supportet still

[pulsar timber]

Wonder what robins next powerup will be

[muted hedge]

Chopper being the forest god makes sense in all the ways

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-chopper-one-piece-chopper-one-piece-gif-26935391

[pulsar timber]

How. He isn’t taming any demons

[final trench]

All im saying is chopper dont have green eyes except in monster point 👀

[pulsar timber]

People just like prescribing characters to different gods

[hardy stratus]

Forest god would be our goat Akainu Simp

[rocky plank]

Awakening ancient weapons

[final trench]

Not taming them but he is sending them out of the body

[muted hedge]

he is, by reverting them to their original state of being

[urban kiln]

its an interesting idea I just dont like the idea of another soul existing within our characters that have eaten these fruits. If Luffy has an internal conversation with Nika I'm KILLING myself

[pulsar timber]

Like dragon being the rain god or whatever it was called in Skypiea

[hardy stratus]

jika moment

[urban lodge]

Rain god is Nami actually

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-gif-7848330

[pulsar timber]

So not taming

[vernal ravine]

imu is kinda that

[final trench]

Possibly

[rocky plank]

Dragoat

[final trench]

She does predict the weather naturally

[vernal ravine]

he talks like he has someone inside him

[pine ridge]

pls oda do it. It'd be so funny

[hardy stratus]

I think there would be sort of remnants of the soul but not that

[hot cairn]

I don’t think Elbaph can en by summer

[pulsar timber]

That’s eliminating not taming

[muted hedge]

no, it's literally taming them

[rocky plank]

I hope so im a little tired tbh

[pulsar timber]

You don’t tame a dog by killing it

[graceful belfry]

Semantics argument mmmmmm

[final trench]

Nah, i dont think chopper is the forest god, but he’s far more than just the “human human” fruit

[graceful belfry]

My favorite

[muted hedge]

Chopper doesn't kill them either, lol

[urban kiln]

also the idea that buddha actually existed in One Piece would be a bit ridiculous

[rocky plank]

The gods of mythological zoan never existed

[final trench]

Blawd said nika aint exist

Fairs

[pulsar timber]

He “kills” or eliminates or turns back the demon part of them. Flips them back

[muted hedge]

he tames them so they revert to their human state

[rocky plank]

It was a god created by slaves

[hardy stratus]

One more step
First world was our human world
Second world was a fantastical world as a result of some experimentation gone wrong in first world.
Then third world is current where Zoans are resukt of terrible human experimentation fr

[final trench]

We see him fight the war god

[pine ridge]

nah human human fruit being able to return humanity to people is very fitting

[final trench]

We also see him in the mural

[rocky plank]

Could be as luffy, someone with his fruit

[final trench]

Imu not bouta fear somebody who never existed

[vernal ravine]

Nika may be the only mythical zoan representation that existed or not we don't really know

[urban kiln]

considering the theory that DFs are born from the dreams of the people, the legend of Nika can be a thing and that can result in the creation of Nika DF without Nika actually being real.

[urban kiln]

^ above

[final trench]

Shon said luffy a time traveler

Ifw it

[rocky plank]

Arent humans scared by ghosts?

[rocky plank]

I didnt said it 😭

[urban lodge]

I don't think Chopper is killing them, it feels like a different method

[final trench]

Depends who you ask, but i do think ghost exist yea

[urban lodge]

He pretty much just touches them and they revert

[pulsar timber]

He’s not bringing them under any type of control, like imu has control of these demons

[muted hedge]

he is taming them

[rocky plank]

🤣🤣🤣

[muted hedge]

taming doesn't have to only mean "control the wild animal"

[pine ridge]

yeah the omen spirit gets kicked out

[muted hedge]

it can also just mean reverting something to a more gentle state

which Chopper does

[vernal ravine]

would like to see what happens if luffy punch a domi reversi to see if it is related to zoan types or just chopper case, oda must did it on purpose

[pulsar timber]

Tamed is a choice select word to describe a person dealing with demons. And then we have a character that literally has “tamed” them

Have them controlled and bent to his will

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/qwaqmeharder/status/2048303816999641440 whats going on here

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[rocky plank]

Imu was gay and he was in love with joyboy but lily stolen him

[urban lodge]

Ayo??

[dense rapids]

I think Vander Decken was the king of the goa kingdom

[wraith mantle]

killingham x imu shipping just dropped ig

[graceful belfry]

Some yaoi art for Imu and Killingham

[urban kiln]

vampire BL

[muted hedge]

tame something they already have control of?

redundant

that's why Chopper makes more sense

[final trench]

That would be 70% of trollda’s power

[pulsar timber]

The taming would be imu getting the power that they have, giving him control over demons

[rocky plank]

Im just saying shit but is a lowk posibility

#bots

[dense haven]

fujoshis are at it again

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-episode-1119-imu-looking-at-sabo-gif-3150554157530427386

“You dont get it joyboy the people love being dominated”

“Lol” gay

[rocky plank]

What will be zoros power?

[dense haven]

zoro is the man marked by flames btw

[rocky plank]

Crazy haha best quote in all history

[muted hedge]

Zoro's power is swords

[final trench]

Bro held the poneglyph

[graceful belfry]

Going out on a limb here, but maybe cutting things?

[rocky plank]

I agree, his hesrt is in fire by sanji

[rocky plank]

Bro you are crazy how are you going to say that??

[urban kiln]

true sanji would burn that boy to a crisp

sanji > zoro

[urban lodge]

I thought we all agreed burn scar is Bluejam

[urban kiln]

burn scar is

!ptoo

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294551467820580864/443549957723521025/ptoo.png

[rocky plank]

I dont agree with that i bet my left arm is laskey

[dense rapids]

Who was it that said Bluejam is burnscar

[urban lodge]

Me

[dense rapids]

Wait u could lowkey be right in a way

[rocky plank]

pennyroyaltea

[urban lodge]

It's the theory I'm most proud of

[dense rapids]

I think Bluejam foreshadows Vander Decken the burn scar man

[urban lodge]

Oda please make it real it would be so funny

[rocky plank]

No pls

[distant vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/s/QyXszMrU3d

[vernal ravine]

burn scar man isn't a kid ace victim

[urban lodge]

• Last seen in the burning grey terminal on Dawn Island
• Never confirmed to be dead
• When Luffy left Dawn Island he ran into a whirlpool

[dense rapids]

Bluejam tried to make a deal and become a noble

I think Vander Decken tried to make the same deal and was in the same situation as Harald

But his was for greed if we base it on the legend

[rocky plank]

Wait it is said that he is a man but if we dont know who is... What if its a woman?

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[rocky plank]

Ik im saying shit

I can send piccs lets goo

[cosmic hamlet]

So bb already have 4th poneglyph?

[rocky plank]

Nah i dont think so, bb finishing in the last island will be following someone, thats his "role", doing "cheating"

[abstract steeple]

i was a few chapters behind but then i come back to this?

https://tenor.com/view/imu-imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-imu-face-reveal-gif-10314177810931110974

i cant believe they actually revealed imu this is surreal

[rocky plank]

Now i can send it

https://tenor.com/view/imu-imu-one-piece-imu-angry-one-piece-imu-face-reveal-gif-10314177810931110974

[cosmic hamlet]

[rocky plank]

Its a fake imu hasnt show his face yet

[abstract steeple]

he looks so cool

[cosmic hamlet]

Next week break
Next next week chapter
Next next next week break

Brace yourself

[rocky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kitty-my-melody-melody-kitty-cute-gif-8637916945522157237

[abstract steeple]

Why are all the villains hot these days smh

[rocky plank]

Yes

[abstract steeple]

but atleast luffy is still better

[formal wagon]

you fw saturn like that?

[rocky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gordo-luffy-gordinho-gif-25125796

[echo lake]

daddy

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-saturn-one-piece-saint-jaygarcia-saturn-heading-to-egghead-gif-13051953009532275916

[urban lodge]

Sb is spiritually back

[echo lake]

I'd be Saturn's slave

[rocky plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1493681807529476106/1497243552399229119/image-1.gif

[lofty fern]

SB left?

[urban lodge]

No, but he's not very active anymore

And he abandoned Saturn

[urban kiln]

Gin being on pirate island in that speech doesnt mean hes part of bb's crew

[cosmic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[lofty fern]

He was all over the place for this chapter. I guess he just left after the chapter debuted

[urban lodge]

Does he read spoilers?

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

He was active during the spoilers

[urban lodge]

I guess he was mostly there then

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2048160494356144197

Diminuel (@Diminuel)

Nami's too powerful.

(More of the Nami is Imu and Rocks' child AU, see tweet below!)

X · Apr 25, 2026, 10:01 PM

[distant vine]

Ive got some time to kill

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/s/24GfCsEWdE

[echo lake]

Imu is the victim bro

[warm sierra]

Kid under the ocean rn

[echo lake]

villains keep destroying his islands

[hardy stratus]

R/CharacterRant

bro pulling from one of the most braindead subs

[formal wagon]

yeah oda's a fraud

[distant vine]

A couple reasons Oda doesnt do the sea battles more often probably:

Sunny would get damaged very quickly and when the ship is so beloved its looked at as a friend, thats difficult. Its not like a character who can just sit in the background.

Not enough space.

Being on an island lends itself to worldbuilding, new cultures, new settings etc. The sea is just a huge void

[wraith mantle]

also because they are boring

[hardy stratus]

The reason: its not the story Oda wants to tell

[pulsar timber]

Maybe the weakness is the reason why they don’t try to fight on the actual sea and prefer the ground. Food for thought

[urban kiln]

people say this and then they bitched about the naval battles in WCI

[wraith mantle]

then crews like shanks should actively try to fight on sea?

[pulsar timber]

Guys like Blackbeard wouldn’t be able to fight to their best potential over sea

[wet condor]

I've thought about this a long time ago. The lack of naval battles for a pirate manga

[pulsar timber]

I think most one piece characters prefer fighting on land or being on land after weeks of being at sea

[hasty sable]

WCI sea chase was sick

[hardy stratus]

Yo Archer's still around

what did you think of God Valley

[hasty sable]

[wet condor]

The points I think he makes some decent points in there

[hasty sable]

God Valley was cool. Rest of Elbaf 💤

[echo lake]

Elbaf is the best arc in all of one piece

[hardy stratus]

😔

[urban kiln]

ok calm down..

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/seen-it-marty-back-to-the-future-ive-seen-this-one-gif-5960361

[urban lodge]

Complete opposite for me lol

[hardy stratus]

God Valley's probably my fav section of story

[vernal ravine]

we got a canon naval battle, shiki vs roger but we didn't see it

[pulsar timber]

lol

[hardy stratus]

no clue how I would rate elbaf as a whole

[echo lake]

Elbaf is peak because of Killingham

[urban kiln]

Elbaf has the potential to end as a top 3 post TS arc but atm thats WCI > Egghead > Wano for me

[hasty sable]

I liked Harald. He was a fun character to make fun of.

[wraith mantle]

yeah agreed, most characters utilize their DFs better on land

[urban lodge]

Speaking of Killingham

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FixupX · Apr 26, 2026, 1:04 PM

[cold steppe]

it's been 10/10 since WCI

[urban lodge]

Idk why there's so much Killingham and Imu art but I love it

[pulsar timber]

I didn’t know you liked egghead that much

[hardy stratus]

Fujoshi

[echo lake]

he has a point bro now people don't use sea stone anymore

[urban kiln]

eggheads great

[urban lodge]

True

[echo lake]

YOOO KILLINGHAM 😍

[pine scaffold]

Oda ruined Killingham

[wraith mantle]

elbaf does have potential to be top 3

Water7/EL > Egghead > SL/AL/ID/MF

[urban kiln]

seastone is mostly used by the marines and we havent been fighting marines in a very long time

[pulsar timber]

“People” never used sea stone like that. It was smoker and then no one until Queen in wank

[hardy stratus]

It wasn't really much of a thing other than first few mini arcs in romance dawn

[hasty sable]

WCI, Dressrosa, Zou imo

[echo lake]

Oda should've made it more common instead of introducing hakislop

[urban kiln]

disagree

[hasty sable]

But I am like water changing my form with the tide

[pine scaffold]

The knights are just jokes after the flashback

[pulsar timber]

Seastone literally isn’t common enough to do that

[wraith mantle]

what is there to ruin about killingham lol

[alpine trench]

ignore sb's comments on any villain

[hardy stratus]

Oda didn't want to make a manga about politics of Seastone trade

[pulsar timber]

Haki ruined creative fights yet doffy katakur and big mom are praised for their creativity and fruit usage

[thick maple]

sb what if imu gets pushed to high diff here will u switch ur agenda

[hardy stratus]

shrimple as that

[pine scaffold]

Oda halfway into the arc changed his mind on how he wanted to portray the god knights

[pulsar timber]

Curious

[alpine trench]

they were simply not that powerful compared to the strawhats

that's it

[pine scaffold]

It's not just that

[hardy stratus]

They just had creative fruits that couldn't be bypassed

[pulsar timber]

Holy knights were always going to be the wg version of the tobi roppo

[pine scaffold]

Look at Garling's performance

[hardy stratus]

and once they found small opening

boom

[wraith mantle]

holy robbos

[vernal ravine]

the haki fights thing is just false oda always give fruits to strawhats enemies

[pine scaffold]

the roger pirates were sending them packing every encounter

[hasty sable]

They’ve closed the strait of Alabasta which is why there’s a seastone shortage

[alpine trench]

garling's performance where? god valley? 40 years ago?

[pulsar timber]

Garling got rocked by the strongest pirate in the world at the time

[wraith mantle]

people expected more from the holy robbos because dragon hyped them up

[alpine trench]

i mean

[pine scaffold]

it's still bad portrayal

[alpine trench]

is it

[pine scaffold]

it's garlings first ever fight on screen

[pulsar timber]

He’s Much stronger now

[alpine trench]

i wont dispute this shit with you sb

i'm not that foolish

[pulsar timber]

Rocks literally obliterated an admiral, the marines strongest force

He SHOULD have been able to do that garling

[hardy stratus]

Where he just ran away and came to finish rocks later?

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if rocks could have low diffed an elder too

[pine scaffold]

This was even worse

[echo lake]

Of course

[hasty sable]

God Knights are pretty much there just so other characters have something to do

[pulsar timber]

I mean they’re tricky and strong. It’s just that the Strawhats are an emperor crew and know how to handle business

[alpine trench]

do you think garling at that time could do much to rocks sb

[hasty sable]

Tobi Roppo of the WG

[clever idol]

Im so sick of of yall throwing slop at the end of any word.

[pine scaffold]

Because he gets a title and everything from his achievements on GV but his title is fraudlent

[clever idol]

Its slopslop

[wraith mantle]

just wordslop atp

[vernal ravine]

i got the slop slop no mi

[alpine trench]

yes, the title turned out to be fake

that's the point

the reputation he gained allowed him to progress up in the ranks

[pine scaffold]

I was expecting a bit of a fight

Not a complete wash

[echo lake]

Elders aren't meant to be overpowered they're meant to be politicians, their job is to keep the world government running, not defeating enemies

[pulsar timber]

Imslop soslop sickslop ofslop yallslop throwingslop slopslop atslop theslop endslop ofslop anyslop wordslop

[hasty sable]

They shouldn’t have eldritch superpowers then

[pine scaffold]

We're supposed to get excited about Garling being the new gorosei and all

[wraith mantle]

oh yes, are the elders fighters or politicans?

[alpine trench]

bit of a fight, between rocks, perhaps the strongest pirate at that time and a paltry knight?

[clever idol]

Both

[pine ridge]

doesn't hurt to be able to put up a fight

[echo lake]

That's just for self defense and aura

[hardy stratus]

How so?

[pulsar timber]

They’re more than politicians

[wraith mantle]

ayo

[hardy stratus]

They had great fruits and Haki didn't negate that?

[ashen perch]

he couldnt even damage one

[sturdy steeple]

Do you guys still not realise there's a reason why WG fears emperors

[hasty sable]

Tbh I liked the government more when they weren’t run by actual demons

[wraith mantle]

crazy how these politicians are easily top 10 fighters alive rn 😭

[hardy stratus]

no amount of Haki did anything to Arrows

[echo lake]

that's what you get when you've been alive for centuries

[pulsar timber]

Why would you care how badly garling 40 years ago got beat by the strongest pirate in the world

[sturdy steeple]

And why their ideas usually consist of gathering an army lol

[hardy stratus]

It's not actual demons

still

[wraith mantle]

i think their powers are demonic but they are still humans

[vernal ravine]

the thing is if they weren't ruled by actual demons what's stopping a top tier to destroy Mary Joise

[alpine trench]

i mean.... no? they're more carried by their immortality than their actual fighting prowess

[echo lake]

they literally have the marines and cipher pol what more could they want

[sturdy steeple]

Because these so called emperors and people like Rocks can technically rival them. If they were to unite then this would be even more not in favour of WG.

[wraith mantle]

they have strong DFs, and mastery of conq haki

[hardy stratus]

and the inhumane behavior is in line with what we knew of them since 15 years ago

[hardy stratus]

conq seems to be from Mu

[ashen perch]

He went from being just a knight to a commander to a supreme commander to the Gorosei, It has been 38 years since he lost, its literally irrelevant to who he is now.

[wraith mantle]

they are pretty up there in the power scale, even without immortality

[pulsar timber]

I give imu my soul

[wraith mantle]

its still unclear tbf

[hardy stratus]

I mean anyone who got domi reversi got it no?

[echo lake]

I give Killingham my soul

and my body

[alpine trench]

look at who you're replying to

[hasty sable]

A coalition of twenty states that consolidated power and slowly grew into an imperial power with a ruling class that conquered the world and has survived and prospered this long by sheer inertia

[pulsar timber]

No

[hasty sable]

is cooler than immortal demon king imo

But that’s just my opinion

[ashen perch]

true true

[wraith mantle]

its all very unclear, do you thiink garling has conq before he became an elder?

[alpine trench]

i like the inversion of the paradise lost aspect of the devil atop the world fighting against the fate that he constructed for himself

[hasty sable]

The WG as a structural evil is more interesting to me

[hardy stratus]

Same

[hardy stratus]

I think its not really lost here?

[hasty sable]

But there was always going to be a big bad at the top to punch

[urban lodge]

It's still structural evil

[alpine trench]

i think garling acquired the ability to use conqueror's haki in the interim years

[vernal ravine]

i understand your issue with the cliché of we are bad so we are demons but as i said before if they hadn't actual strong people to defend themlseves who's stopping some top tiers of destroying the whole Mary Joise

[hasty sable]

Now there’s one guy to blame for everything and it’s lost its mystique a bit

[alpine trench]

the world government is still a deeply seated structural evil with the added aspect of having the devil in human form atop it ruling over it

[hasty sable]

For me at least

[alpine trench]

i dont think that aspect has been lost though

[hardy stratus]

Same

And we see that through Shanks and Shamrock contrast

[alpine trench]

the government still exists as the oppressive force that keeps the world in darkness but imu is such an important aspect of seeing how the goverment consolidated its absolute power until this point

[wraith mantle]

especially in the marines who dont even know about this demon king

they are just onboard because they think evil is correct or something along those lines

[royal orchid]

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FixupX · Apr 26, 2026, 2:26 PM

[alpine trench]

and how these structures that oppress the world that built itself around this demon atop the world and facilitates its whims in such a failsafe way

[vernal ravine]

in a world with people with literally god powers how else you are justifying me that its posible to created a whole organisation that rules over anything, it was always meant to be a very strong ruler

[hardy stratus]

@graceful belfry cinema

[alpine trench]

yeah you do need at least a singular authoritarian influence but what oda is doing with imu is interesting in that imu is not like big brother from 1984, he's not this amorphous entity that the government uses in its stead but is the entity that uses the government and legalese as a mask to dominate the world in its stead

[hasty sable]

Twenty of the most powerful nations in the world banded together to overthrow the rival superpower and became the new superpower

[alpine trench]

behind the structures is a magical entity that leeches its powers from the source of magic in the world beyond the physical means of the world

i'm interested in seeing how this one guy came to be the absolute power and authority atop the world

[graceful belfry]

Gonna be a good episode

[alpine trench]

what his connection must be with davy jones, who was the "king of the world" prior to him or what connection he had with joyboy who's the first pirate in history

[royal orchid]

!mural

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1497454280242757662/image.png?ex=69ed9479&is=69ec42f9&hm=7abc1f47d89258c9ce1521f78dfa107baae4b9b0cf28020cf0c31d36fb65fd40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1976&height=1443

[hasty sable]

Something that can be interesting about Imu is that he clealry isn’t human

When the WG is borderline human supremacist

[alpine trench]

or that through his contract with the devil has completely forgone being human

an assimilated presence of completely monstrous powers that cannot be human

[hasty sable]

I thought he was Lunarian at first

[hardy stratus]

He's lunarian

[alpine trench]

i did see ideas of him being a proto-lunarian

[urban kiln]

do yall think if one of the gorosei cut off their arm like shanks did to get rid of their contract, they'd strivel up and die cause of their age?

[alpine trench]

no

[vernal ravine]

as i said, that would work in a typical archetype of a utopian work, but in a shonen manga where power is relevant, it was hardly justifiable that an oppressive class should rule over others without any power beyond the political.

[hardy stratus]

Archer I have a theory for you!!

[alpine trench]

i think the gorosei are fully invested in the contract that they have instituted for themselves

[urban kiln]

then do you think theres any potential for any of the gorosei to go rogue after witnessing how dispensible saturn was to imu?

[hasty sable]

They had the Marines

[alpine trench]

so my idea is that you require yourself to rebel and give up on the contract

i mean, there should've been some indication of a rebellious attitude amonst the gorosei already

[hasty sable]

I think not likely because there’s no real escape from Imu for them. Slightest disobedience they get turned into a raisin.

[alpine trench]

i dont see that, they're still reverent to imu

[hasty sable]

Also they were literally crying when Imu was endangering himself lol

[prisma yacht]

I can see garling pulling something off

[urban kiln]

we've only witnessed them in a location where Imu can technically oversee all their actions

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[alpine trench]

they're fully imupilled

[hasty sable]

Do tell goro

[wraith mantle]

so they needed imu's strength to keep control over the world?

would be interesting to see, during the last 800 years, if imu needed to descend to the lower world and assert his dominance and rule of the world in person. He kinda did in God Valley i guess

[hasty sable]

Based and Imupilled

[hardy stratus]

Check ping

[urban kiln]

theyre literally on call with Imu here

lol

[alpine trench]

Yeah I don’t think they’re fostering any sort of enmity lol unless it’s hinted at

[urban kiln]

I think the reaction to Saturn being replaced was enough to believe theres a chance of fear

I dont think I used the word enmity

or implied hatred at all

[echo lake]

it's by Imu's design?

[urban kiln]

@alpine trench I also think its a bit curious they specifically showed this guy's reaction

[urban lodge]

I doubt any of them will betray him

But if anyone would I'd say it's Garling

Not out of fear but out of greed

[alpine trench]

Oh yeah they’re fearful of consequences for the first time in a while and mistrustful of Garling as a new addition for sure

[royal orchid]

in the anime it pans out to each and every elder

but in the manga it's just jupeter?

[echo lake]

he's Imu's day one

[alpine trench]

Garling as the new blood doesn’t seem to have much fear at all

[hardy stratus]

@hasty sable this page made me more hopeful

[lofty fern]

Ah we were just talking about you. You're back

[urban kiln]

Im basically suggesting the potential of them recognizing Imu has a chance of losing, and turning sides in that instance. Idk, I think it'd be interesting

[pine scaffold]

I doubt for long

[urban kiln]

not yet, but eventually, lead by their fear

[unkempt sable]

What’s the percentage that garling betrays imu?

[alpine trench]

Could be interesting for sure but like idk it’s too late for them at this point

[urban kiln]

is it..? Why?

[lofty fern]

I think his contract is too deep for that

[hardy stratus]

I kinda see him eyeing for that power/status
But don't think that would be realized

[urban kiln]

It would only work if it was late. I dont believe theyd betray Imu in any other instance besides one where they think Imu is on the losing end of the conflict

[alpine trench]

Their fear makes them act more subservient to Imu imo rather than them getting rebellious

[prisma yacht]

All the other goroseis have served imu for far too long to pull something, even if they let their fear win over it might be just a despair situation for them

Garling on the other hand....

[pine ridge]

if given the chance 100%

[wraith mantle]

how would jupeter betray imu

would he team up with luffy and team?

[prisma yacht]

[urban kiln]

fear of failure against a greater enemy leading Imu to throw them in the trash like they did Saturn, might lead one of the gorosei to turn tail. I feel like you're completely ignoring every bit of context Im suggesting

[prisma yacht]

He's new and he knows he can be replaced

[royal orchid]

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FixupX · Apr 26, 2026, 2:44 PM

[unkempt sable]

I remember those theories where Ju Peter would be a traitor because he wouldn’t sit down

[wraith mantle]

she did the absolute cinema pose

[lofty fern]

With great power comes a high cost. He has ultimate power over them. I don't think any of them even can betray Imu, even if they wanted to

[urban kiln]

we dont know that, Shanks got rid of his contract

[unkempt sable]

[echo lake]

If the pentagram numbers are the order in which they were recruited then that would mean Ju Peter is the oldest, so I think it's unlikely he'll betray Imu

[hardy stratus]

Which was just base covenant

or w/e its called

[urban kiln]

and we dont know it doesnt apply the same for later ones

[prisma yacht]

[hardy stratus]

We know the control over the user increases

[unkempt sable]

Isn’t it crazy how road had one of the best designs in elbaf

[wraith mantle]

yeah i see, but like how would any other elder betray imu

I can't imagine them teaming up with luffy and co, they are too irredeemable imo to work with our antagonist.

[alpine trench]

I’m not ignoring much of the context you’re establishing Red, I’m simply suggesting that it’s hard to see that at this point, Saturn’s death is a consequence of his failure to accomplish Imu’s mission and so far, the Gorosei are being fearful of consequences in their covenants and their centuries long abiding loyalty to Imu and his supremacy atop the world

[royal orchid]

she's evil and wicked

[hardy stratus]

So by that logic removing it would be as difficult too no?

[hardy stratus]

Queen

[lofty fern]

We don't even know that. Also they have the deepest covenant. It means that they cannot disobey Imu's orders no matter what. He can also find them anywhere. They can't runaway from him. That was established.

[urban kiln]

I dont get your question

[echo lake]

Garling could rebel because he hasn't been an elder for long, so Imu can't just instakill him

[hardy stratus]

About Shanks getting rid of the contract

[urban kiln]

I dont think anything you said contradicts the potential of cutting it off lol

they cant disobey his order if he gives an order

[hardy stratus]

Yeah I meant this red

[urban kiln]

I responded to that

[urban lodge]

The blade of god contract doesn't give you regeneration

That's what Shanks had

[alpine trench]

Shanks did have the advantage of having a covenant that’s at the lowest level and thus could be somehow mitigated

[hardy stratus]

Yea

[lofty fern]

Did you forget their body will always grow back?

[final trench]

Yea shanks only had lvl 1

[cosmic hamlet]

So its confirmed he lost the covenant?

[final trench]

Only able to be controlled if imu is in radius

[urban kiln]

do we know this applies if the brand itself is impacted by the damage?

We previously didnt know the steel hearts existed for example.

[alpine trench]

I mean, yeah, he lost the arm so no covenant

[prisma yacht]

Wasn't gunko's upper body blown off

[urban lodge]

She has the highest level

[wraith mantle]

garling has the biggest chance of switching up on imu

he was too sycophant-y in that chapter where imu considered going in person. Bro tried his best to send imu in person. I think he wants imu to be in a weakened state when he comes back so he can do something sus

[pulsar timber]

Shanks could cut his arm because he was out of range

[lofty fern]

Also we don't even know if Shanks actually got rid of his. He lost the tattoo but the contract could be linked to the soul and not just to the skin. We won't know until he gets in Imu's presence.

[alpine trench]

Garling also has the highest covenant

[prisma yacht]

Yeah suggesting it needs more than just cutting the limb off

[urban kiln]

he definitely got rid of his

[pulsar timber]

The range must be disgustingly large

[lofty fern]

You're assuming he can only kill him one way

[hardy stratus]

I think Garling is setting up to bring Imu to a point of weakness

[alpine trench]

Shanks doesn’t seem to have an idea of Imu much beyond there being a “Great One” at Mariejois

[dense haven]

garling is a fraud

[pulsar timber]

Why

[wraith mantle]

garling wants to be god king

[unkempt sable]

I wonder what ability garling got

[cosmic hamlet]

Garling thinks better than other gorosei

[urban kiln]

garling is kinda awesome

[cosmic hamlet]

The gorosei thoughts sometimes feels stupid

[wraith mantle]

and he will use york to do something with the motherflame

[echo lake]

either that or Imu personally cuts him down i guess

[prisma yacht]

Garling seems like he is always brewing something malicious

[vernal ravine]

if shanks didn't know he can take off the contract why would he put it on him in the first place if he refused the next contract on purpose

[unkempt sable]

He’s just too ambitious to be satisfied when there’s still a spot left to be claimed

[hardy stratus]

Maybe eyeing to be the King/God.
He seems to be disrupting everything regarding the existing balance or status quo or methodologies

[vernal ravine]

he knew how to get off imu's presence

[lofty fern]

I don't think Garling will betray Imu anyway. He has never been shown to be power hungry and he's always been loyal to Imu. He might be annoyed with the other elders, but he's always been loyal to Imu

[alpine trench]

I don’t think Garling will betray Imu

[prisma yacht]

If any elder goes against imu I want it to be garling

[alpine trench]

But I think he’s working to undermine the other Gorosei

[pulsar timber]

He hasn’t disrupted anything though. In fact he has been the most eager to serve and uphold their ideology.

[alpine trench]

Why

[urban lodge]

7 minutes until poll resets and new top 5s

[pulsar timber]

He found and reported the Davy clan

[wraith mantle]

yeah he strikes me as super ambitious, with too much of an ego to serve someone else

[alpine trench]

He has the same fucking covenant and sycophantic attitude as the others

[cosmic hamlet]

Garling just want his family to dominate over other families among celestial dragons

[urban kiln]

like replace another one of them with his son or something? lol

[hardy stratus]

Have we really seen that tho?
We have only seen him doing stuff that would increase his standing and power

[pulsar timber]

What garling was saying to the goresei isn’t a hint to any betrayal

He’s simply stating the truth

[lofty fern]

We also don't even know what Imu actually did to Saturn. We're assuming a lot, but those assumptions might not be true. He could do what he did to Saturn to Garling

[alpine trench]

He’s just a bit more pragmatic about what their priorities should be

[unkempt sable]

I think theres a 60% chance tho I think when we learn more about imu or whatever weakness he may have it will increase

[dense rapids]

Nami has conquerors

[pulsar timber]

Why is the assumption that he reported the Davy clan to gain more power

[wraith mantle]

and the other elders werent stating the truth?

[unkempt sable]

[alpine trench]

Much likely that than betrayal

[urban lodge]

Next sunday I think we midterm results for the poll

[hardy stratus]

The fact that he continuously rose through the ranks

[alpine trench]

Garling is more pragmatic

[cosmic hamlet]

How can he even betray when his powers are from imu 🙄

[alpine trench]

And realistic about what threats they’re facing

[hardy stratus]

I don't mean a causation

But just correlattion

[lofty fern]

HE actually has done nothing. Everything has been by circumstance. He would not be able to advance unless Imu decided it. Garling wasn't whispering in Imu's ear or setting up Saturn. He didn't set up Egghead, he had no part in any of that. He just so happened to get that position. I think people are trying to make Garling a character he's not to make him more interesting

[hardy stratus]

muk

[pulsar timber]

They’re not taking any initiative to fix their problems. Imu wants too but the goresei don’t want him to

Imu and garling agree that shit needs to get done

[ashen perch]

true but I wouldnt use the anime for that

[wraith mantle]

i see

[hardy stratus]

Fair

[cosmic hamlet]

Anime is filler

[alpine trench]

Garling did orchestrate and facilitate the God Valley hunt

[hardy stratus]

Name has Nami Haki

nami-

nami*

[pulsar timber]

“Continuously rose” he was at the holy knight level forever and only got the goresei role because Saturn fucked up

[dense rapids]

Agenda must be maintained

[ashen perch]

no she has CoC, its happening

fair

[hardy stratus]

also arsal what did you think of God Valley

[lofty fern]

We know that its not. We've seen it

[ashen perch]

I thought it was a bit of a let down

[hardy stratus]

Demn

sad

[alpine trench]

My theory on why Garling specifically targeted God Valley is because Magnolia and the residents of the island were the descendants of Joyboy

[vernal ravine]

garling is the only one who imu's death doesn't afect him if we asumme the deepest contract doesn't involve soul but only the contract itself where elders are afftected by getting the years back and garling not

[ashen perch]

I think the pacing contributed to that, I wanted to get a lot more out of it

[hardy stratus]

ah

[alpine trench]

Loved God Valley

[urban kiln]

when?

[sturdy steeple]

I agree with Arsal.

[hardy stratus]

I binged it today and it was super satisfying

[ashen perch]

More focus on the Rocks Pirates, more on the HKs, more on Roger's crew, more on Xebec's dynamic with Roger and Garp

[cosmic hamlet]

I wanted to see more of rocks pirates doing stuff tbh

[urban lodge]

Gloriosa...

[alpine trench]

It’s rare we get perspectives from different characters and focus on other angles to complete a story between two flashbacks

[pulsar timber]

Elders aren’t getting years back though

They’re still all oldish

[wraith mantle]

wasnt god valley orchestrated simply because it is the home of the Davys?

if they were descendants of joyboy that would have been big news and would have been mentioned by the CD announcer

[vernal ravine]

i say in case imu's death so the inmortality is off

[hardy stratus]

Hmm. Fair ig. What we got was plenty for me

[cosmic hamlet]

We will get god valley flashback again from garling pov

[alpine trench]

We did see it from his pov

He lost like a bitch

[pulsar timber]

The same would apply to garling

[ashen perch]

it felt like a 30 chapter arc that got condensed into 10, which I guess is inevitable given that it is a flashback but still, it just felt incomplete.

I imagine Oda will touch upon these things at different times in the future, and I will be able to enjoy GV for what it is better then.

[pulsar timber]

All the holy knights

[vernal ravine]

no cause garling just got the contract

[cosmic hamlet]

More garling focused like kuma flashback

[pulsar timber]

Oh I see what you mean now

[hardy stratus]

Hmmm

I do think we would get some extra perspectives

[pulsar timber]

Well I think it’s possible he killed Saturns different way

[wraith mantle]

we will deffo some more perspective from Eris's POV

[pulsar timber]

But I’m not sure garling is even thinking about it

[hardy stratus]

but idk. Personally it had more than what I could have asked for

[ashen perch]

it doesnt necessarily have to be another retelling of GV

[pulsar timber]

I think people just aren’t used to the goresei not being a monolith so they think garling has a secret agenda

[hardy stratus]

It would be like Kuma's small fb portion

[ashen perch]

I just want us to get back to exploring Roger, Garp, and Xebec one day again. I think Oda will do that eventually.

[hardy stratus]

During god valley

[pulsar timber]

I don’t see it that way but more that garling is pragmatic and hasn’t been dwindling his thumbs for centuries

[hardy stratus]

I think we got decent bit of that while still treating them as legends of that era

[prisma yacht]

Bcs I like him

[vernal ravine]

depend of what happens to gunko in this arc we can theorise better with that cause i think she is not coming back to Mary Joise

[unkempt sable]

Such a well animated episode

[ashen perch]

what I guess would complete God Valley is further context on what informed the dynamics of these characters, what informed Xebec's motivations, stuff like that

[pulsar timber]

That’s the Blackbeard flashback

At least for more xebec depth

[alpine trench]

official out

[pulsar timber]

I think Oda did exceptional with the character dynamics

[alpine trench]

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1028759

[urban lodge]

It will be livestreamed

[ashen perch]

yeah thats fair, I just dont really agree

[prisma yacht]

And it wld be interesting to see him pull something off of this caliber

[wraith mantle]

no results today?

[ashen perch]

let me just update the announcement post rq

[urban lodge]

Apparently not

[wraith mantle]

smh

[hardy stratus]

Fair.

[pulsar timber]

@urban kiln I think it’s interesting that you rather roger not have been shown so much. Are you the type that prefers not to have (nearly) every aspect of the world explored and have some things left to mystery?

Or is it just one piece specific

[hardy stratus]

I am that

[cosmic hamlet]

Blade?

[urban kiln]

I absolutely am. I fucking hate the insistence people have when a story ends where they ask for prequels, sequels, spinoffs, etc. Maintaining some mystery and things for people to speculate on without actually having everything spelled out for you is better

[urban lodge]

I like the humanization Roger got but I also understand preferring that more almost mythical version of him

[urban kiln]

ye roger is just kinda some dude to me now lol

hes not even all that interesting anymore

garp is more interesting now

[cosmic hamlet]

Dragon must be much more interesting then

[urban kiln]

dragon is cool yeah

[hardy stratus]

I think humanization works in favor of Roger

[pulsar timber]

I understand that perspective. I’m the opposite where I want a lot of the things I see explained or certain characters shown more. But I don’t want sequels prequels or spin offs for it. I just take whatever the series is giving me

[hardy stratus]

Makes the journey and what he achieved showing hr was just a dude is more impactful

[hardy stratus]

I want a full chapter of First and second world but without any dialogue or exposition

[vernal ravine]

that makes him better for me some random dude just set sail with a guy sleeping in a boat and end up becoming the first king of the pirates

[pulsar timber]

I really liked how casual and human like the legends were presented as in the flashback

[urban lodge]

Pink votes are no more...

[hardy stratus]

Same

[urban lodge]

This one isn't as good

[cosmic hamlet]

Roger was a pirate for so long before he became pirate king

Atleast 25years of pirating career?

[pulsar timber]

Usually these legends only interact in modern day in a super badass way where they feel more myth than person

[hardy stratus]

WB love arrow had fandom on meltdown

[pulsar timber]

But now they feel more real

[hardy stratus]

I liked that a loth

He's a dude

[pulsar timber]

The love arrow shit I love so much

[cosmic hamlet]

These dudes stayed together for 25 fucking years 😐

[pulsar timber]

I just liked seeing rocks and whitebeard silly and casually drinking with roger and what not

[hardy stratus]

Yeah

[wraith mantle]

and big mom too

she was chill

[hardy stratus]

I think the mystery works for Xebec well

cuz this is his "He'€ the real shit" phase

[lofty fern]

Sommer got cut up into pieces and yet Imu's voice still reached him. Mars blew himself up into tiny pieces and yet was still connected to Imu

[hardy stratus]

which I think should be kept this way

[dense rapids]

Imu’s explanation of Omen reads better in the viz translation

[pulsar timber]

I’ll never be mad at a writer explaining parts of the world no matter how minor

[cosmic hamlet]

Meek left again?

I wanna blame him

[urban kiln]

unfortunately I just think it makes roger tidbits in early one piece less impactful on reread. Like, the writing he had on Skypeia for example. That was like "whoa wtf, and he was able to write it too? What purpose did he have as well?".

And then when we get to the flashback his visit to skypeia isn't grand in the slightest.

[pulsar timber]

For me it’s like I can reread and go “oh yeah x thing is caused by or is y” and that’s cool to me

[alpine trench]

having actual clean scans is soothing to my eyes

incredible spread

[urban lodge]

The scale is so good

[prisma yacht]

Maki haunter

vs ice rodent

[pulsar timber]

Are you finding imu enjoyable red

[cosmic hamlet]

I hate this maki shit

[hardy stratus]

I think the intended grandioseness that he depicted himself with makes him more interesting for me

[ashen perch]

I love Omen so much

[dense haven]

what about baki

[prisma yacht]

I love maki haki too

[pulsar timber]

Why

[cosmic hamlet]

I just hate the term maki

[prisma yacht]

The power that dwells within everything

[ashen perch]

its what I wanted out of ACoC

[hardy stratus]

I am.able to enjoy both the legend and the human in some

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[pulsar timber]

Can you elaborate on that

[hardy stratus]

So you just need to have faith?

[formal wagon]

its awesome

[hardy stratus]

And patienxe

[formal wagon]

maki but better

haki i mean

sorry

[ashen perch]

yeah, I wanted ACoC to feel more creative than just being Armament 2 basically

[cloud ember]

Stop calling it maki

[formal wagon]

maki

[cloud ember]

Grrrr

[cosmic hamlet]

Who are you?

[prisma yacht]

Urethral assault

[alpine trench]

wonder what imu means by this in the context of his connection to joyboy

[cosmic hamlet]

[cloud ember]

https://tenor.com/view/green-needle-brainstorm-gif-25862821

[urban kiln]

we already have devil fruits man. Going too far with conq haki just muddies things

[lofty fern]

I really like this explanation a whole lot better

[rocky plank]

Im the only one who sees the joyboy hairs similar to sabo?

[alpine trench]

dont care what anyone says, this panel is fucking awesome

[urban kiln]

great moment for Imu's characterization. People are too obsessed with aura

[prisma yacht]

I love the panel after this one where loki strikes imu back

[ashen perch]

One of my ideas was that it would involve a lot more usage of the invisible barrier, like how Imu is using Omen now.

[rocky plank]

So fucking funny imus fsce there

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[hardy stratus]

I think the bulk of what ACoC can do is still left to explore

[cosmic hamlet]

Imu is fat

[pulsar timber]

I get the implication that joyboy also wanted dominion or unity in the world as king but him and imu disagreed on how to rule. I find it interesting that joyboy was veering for king of the world (as far as we know). At least I think he was, as there was an actual position back in the day

[hardy stratus]

it seems in its infancy as like the way Rocks was described, he seems to be one of the early users of the last. 40 years

[pulsar timber]

It’s a really stark contrast from Luffy

[alpine trench]

absolutely, its such an interesting facet to him that can be explored with his relationship to joyboy and ideas of dominion

[lofty fern]

I like how even in his explanation, it sounds like a bad thing. A shortcut to power. The dark side

[pulsar timber]

I wonder what king of thr world even meant back then

[ashen perch]

eh I understand but Oda tends to be very creative with powers so it was a bit of a let down.

[alpine trench]

love how oda is juxtaposing "isnt that right joyboy" with luffy getting ready to enter the battle

[lofty fern]

I dont think it means what a lot of people think it means

[wraith mantle]

and was davy king or not??

imu seems to think not but zebec thinks so

[dense rapids]

Nami generates haki and a fire on her back

Imu generates maki and fire on his back

[alpine trench]

next chapter i see luffy joining at the very tail end of the battle

[wraith mantle]

void century tea is gonna be so good

[pulsar timber]

Things are gonna get spicy

[urban lodge]

I imagine Joyboy saw it in a similar way that Luffy sees king of the pirates, I can't imagine he actually wanted to rule

[ashen perch]

Omen is great, you can tell Oda is putting his all into crafting the abilities of Imu because his fighting style is so good already

[lofty fern]

I mean you could call it. Omen, but Maki sounds better

[hardy stratus]

Why maki

[ashen perch]

also thats possible yea

[maiden charm]

No it don't

[dense rapids]

We call it both

[hardy stratus]

Mu-haki?

[wraith mantle]

is omen a variation of haki or is it a DF ability

[urban kiln]

Well he still is creative with powers. If you introduce too many intricate power interactions though, then it just becomes any other battle shounen. One Piece has an element of simplicity that allows Oda not to waste time on explaining power interactions and all that stuff. I much prefer the "creativity" being specifically in relation to devil fruits.

[lofty fern]

Some people do not like the name Maki

[wraith mantle]

like big mom's souls

[prisma yacht]

I want Luffy to join when loki uses hybrid form and they tag team

[ashen perch]

it can be read that way, its haki written with the kanji of Ma, ''demon''

[dense rapids]

It’s not a new power

It’s an amplification of an already existing power

[maiden charm]

I think loki getting "tamed" somehow 🤔

[alpine trench]

man i love one piece so much

[urban kiln]

Omen definitely sounds better than Maki

[pulsar timber]

King of the pirates is just a media title though and the king of the world is an actual position. And maybe I’m reading the convo wrong which is possible but it seems imu and him agree with some aspect of dominion. “Isn’t that right” would mean that joyboy said it but was actually wrong right? Almost Mocking him?

[hardy stratus]

Hopefully something that predates dfs

[wraith mantle]

wanna see imu pull out the shotgun again

[sturdy steeple]

I’m honestly so confused by the chapter. Nothing that Imu says is understandable to me without the context.

[prisma yacht]

gulp

[alpine trench]

what's confusing

[dense rapids]

Luffy eating that

[hardy stratus]

That niddhoggr, thou art back and that smile is so ominous man

[pulsar timber]

Moments like these I like to go back to chapter 1 and see the evolution in scale

[dense rapids]

Would have to use it on Loki

[alpine trench]

yeah, that's just imu confirming to himself that nidhoggr is really back