also-manga

[fallen meteor]

happy birthday @ashen perch

[cunning narwhal]

is imu both the forest god and the earth god?

[royal orchid]

I don't recall how xp works here I think it's per minute

[ashen perch]

This implies that its not been active since the First World

[subtle hull]

Level 8 rn

2 levels to

go

[formal wagon]

another 5-10 minutes of chatting will probably do it

[subtle hull]

Alright

bet

im gonna

use my secret

[ashen perch]

If Nidhoggr didn't exist in the VC and Imu's acting this familiar with it then...

[subtle hull]

leveling up technique

[ashen perch]

Idk, First World Imu seems stronger than ever

[formal wagon]

its like meeks described, you only get xp for a single message every minute

[subtle hull]

the mural confuses me

at 1st people said its 3 worlds

then someone said its 1 world and i dont even have time to dive in deep

i will when i finish my exams

[formal wagon]

we're in the first world, the second and third worlds are for the sequel mangas

[subtle hull]

wait what

[formal wagon]

im joking

[subtle hull]

Oh ok

[royal orchid]

oops lmao

[subtle hull]

!mural

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1497069782040707174/my-translation-of-the-mural-as-literally-and-accurately-as-v0-sonlxdai7rge1.png?ex=69ec2e62&is=69eadce2&hm=62fbf1a08d70372939901814923d75c74a0f6ac07ddd7f060ebd7fa93f2bcf33&

[subtle hull]

so were in the 3rd world

[fallen meteor]

i hope

[subtle hull]

was the 2nd world was imu and joy boys world?

[ashen perch]

Artur's translation is good, its very literal so it gives us a better idea so its fine

[subtle hull]

where can i find it

[ashen perch]

That

Command

[cunning narwhal]

3rd world is after the void century, 2nd is durring it, 1st is before it

[subtle hull]

oh okay

:D

[ashen perch]

Its Artur's, not Viz

[royal orchid]

in terms of image quality tbh

[subtle hull]

I see

and based on what we know nidhoggr didnt exist on the 2nd world

[royal orchid]

I tried from weebcentral but I can only download one page

[ashen perch]

Ah yea it seems blurry

Its fine, I'll update it later

[subtle hull]

because he lived with nika and tbh im not sure of this we dont rlly have evidence to make such claims

i sound like a larp oml😭

guys im just busy with life thats all💔

[royal orchid]

imu lived with Nika in the same apartment

[subtle hull]

no

[royal orchid]

yes they were roommates

[subtle hull]

imu was nikas landlord

[subtle hull]

imu told me otherwise

[hot cairn]

true

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-delivery-mr-boss-allan-smiling-friends-here-are-the-cookies-gif-17931874735712755202

JoyBoy and Imu

[dapper tree]

true facts

[scenic dirge]

They were definitely intimate lovers

[hot cairn]

they were roommates

[formal wagon]

imu was joyboys coby

[slender mesa]

sure

[formal wagon]

wait i dont like that in this context

im taking a redo

[dapper tree]

[royal orchid]

"You're a boy, in a man's world"
-Mailbox

[dapper tree]

imu crashing out on luffy and luffy ain't even there

[formal wagon]

imu was the psychic terrain to joyboy's potentialmon

[dapper tree]

Also Imu used a sword so uhhh

Ya'll know what that means

[formal wagon]

imu= tashigi

[dapper tree]

That is correct

You figured it out

[frail kindle]

shut up adam

[dapper tree]

HEY

[frail kindle]

hey

[dapper tree]

Check this out

[frail kindle]

cool

[hot cairn]

is it real a sword it looks like he shot a beam through Loki

[dapper tree]

close enough

[frail kindle]

is a lightsabre a sword?

if yes, then yes

[odd rune]

the more mihawk downscale the better

If Luffy, Shanks, Loki, Mihawk and Blackbeard teamed up COULD they defeat Imu

[barren veldt]

no

[dark dust]

adding to the goats collection too

[safe cove]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2047422385163272226

⚡️ Soul ⚡️ (@Soul_StormOP)

#ONEPIECE1181
︀︀
︀︀Imu’s dialogue this chapter was super interesting. Usually characters who are corrupt delude themselves into thinking they’re not and that everyone else is the problem
︀︀
︀︀And while Imu does believe he is above everyone, he’s also interestingly well aware and acceptant of the fact that he is evil. To admit he’s evil/the devil/and that his power is sourced from corruption is a shocking amount of self-awareness, and a stark contrast to all the other Celestial Dragons we’ve seen up to now
︀︀
︀︀Even the small flashback framed him as the one who was betrayed by Joy Boy, almost like he felt he had no choice but to resort to evil. There’s already a lot of nuance to his character I love it

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FixupX · Apr 23, 2026, 9:08 PM

[dapper tree]

broo, I only got one the basic leader enel and one other

[dark dust]

im a bit of an enel fanboy

[frail kindle]

I was gonna build an enel deck, then I saw how much it costs

[frail kindle]

yes this fucker is the expensive one

and you need 4 of him

[dark dust]

managed to get the secrets for £20 per so it wasnt too bad got the rest from bulk

[dapper tree]

Geez

[hot cairn]

when do you think he’ll return

[dusk lance]

Ussop in Elbaph:

-Gets questioned by Luffy about being able to fight a giant rabbit
-Does nothing most of the arc but fangirl over the giants
-Does nothing
-Holy knights appear
-Explodes Gunko--It's not very effective...
-Gets a knee to the face
-Nothing noteworthy
-Fights Gunko again, but it's actually Imu
-Calls Imu a bitchass coward
-Gunkimu teleports in front of him and explodes with him
-Critical knock-out
-Imu comes to Elbaph and rocks everyone's shit

Yeah, thanks Ussop

[dark dust]

i can see it towards the end of elbaph lowkey

[dusk lance]

wrong chat

nyah idc

[dark dust]

are you in the americas or europe?

[hot cairn]

I see

[frail kindle]

america

[formal wagon]

Zoro in elbaf:
Kills imu
really cool
green
etcetera
beats up sanji
etcetera
pop greens
becomes a cook
gets a white collar job with a giant desk
finds spirtual fulfillment
learns a new hobby

[dark dust]

yeah they are about the same price over here too

sucks

[frail kindle]

yup

[maiden saffron]

🔥

[dark dust]

damn enel manga is stupid price in US

[frail kindle]

yup

we can't have nice things

[dark dust]

i paid $800

[cosmic hamlet]

Why is no one talking about carrot being in the chapter

[dapper tree]

Vain isn't here

[dark dust]

its unrelated tbf

[frail kindle]

@willow pollen

[dapper tree]

I keep buying packs to open

Every time I see them

[dark dust]

i gave up and just bought the singles i need 🤣

[formal wagon]

they ai upscaled her

[cosmic hamlet]

Sad

[dark dust]

im lucky enough to live near a pretty much unlimited supply of op15

[dapper tree]

I'm addicted to the gambling

[dapper tree]

Dang lucky

They sell out so fast

[cosmic hamlet]

According to kid fans logic carrot should also appear in elbaf ✌️

[dark dust]

after like 30 double packs i gave up 💀

tbf i got enel sp from 6 lose packs

[dark dust]

yeahh

kinda

[cosmic hamlet]

Buy a 1$ lottery ticket or something, not 800$ packs

[dapper tree]

HMMMMMM

Why not both

[dark dust]

buy packs

more fun

[cosmic hamlet]

If you are rich

[dark dust]

they are only £5 each

4.99 if you wanna be technical

[cosmic hamlet]

I can buy chicken biryani for 2 days with that

[dapper tree]

They are 6 to 12 here here pack depending where i get em from

[formal wagon]

she will

[dark dust]

or you can buy a pack

[formal wagon]

carrot will save elbaf

[dark dust]

DAYUM

[dapper tree]

You don't need to eat

[native seal]

we love nuance

[formal wagon]

the only thing that can stop omen boosted eustass is zunesha power of friendshipping imu

on sak's soul

[dapper tree]

I ain't desperate enough to pay more than 10 a pack

[cosmic hamlet]

Maybe she can emerge in elbaf if a carrot grew out of adam tree

[dark dust]

10 is crazy work

[dapper tree]

It's insane

[cosmic hamlet]

[dark dust]

i only buy retail 😭

[dapper tree]

I hate it

[dark dust]

got a box of eb03 for 119 💔

[dapper tree]

Target has me covered with lower prices

[cosmic hamlet]

How long the excitement lasts if you buy a pack?

[dapper tree]

I need that

I miss that price

[opal gull]

i dont know much about this card thing but which ones should I buy?

[dapper tree]

Depends

[dark dust]

like 30 seconds, or if you pull something big longer

[dapper tree]

I buy whatever I get my hands on

[opal gull]

there's so many

[dark dust]

depends half of them are out of print

[opal gull]

I saw the Azure Sea Seven near my house

is it good

[dark dust]

ye decent set

[dapper tree]

Depends on if you are a collector, a deck builder or if you just want specific characters

[opal gull]

wait so each pack has the same cards?

[dark dust]

na

[dapper tree]

No

[opal gull]

Zoro and Shanks for sure

[dark dust]

there's like 120 different cards or smt like that

[opal gull]

oh I meant each pack of the same type

like if i buy 5 packs of azure sea seven

[grand flower]

This was a fire chapter

[dark dust]

you can get any of the 120 different ones from that set yeah

[opal gull]

Ahh I see

[dark dust]

if you look up optcg card list there's an official website

shows all the cards per set

[opal gull]

I will get this one if I can find it

[dapper tree]

Just click on the azure sea set and search by name of character or set the price to see the hype cards

[dark dust]

https://en.onepiece-cardgame.com/cardlist/?series=569115

this is the 14 card list

[opal gull]

ill try that

[dark dust]

its a fun game to play too

[cosmic hamlet]

Takes longer to read a one piece chapter

[grand flower]

Is this Sanji with Bonney and Lilith?

[dark dust]

@dapper tree do you play? if so what leader?

[dapper tree]

I just collect. But I am considering making a krieg deck if I get his alt card

For the memes

[dark dust]

fairs

im addicted to the game

[dapper tree]

This was my best pull from azure sea

[dark dust]

live like 10 minutes away from an official store so im up there like every day

[dark dust]

my best hit was moria leader

[dapper tree]

Dang nice

[dark dust]

op09 was my set tho

[cosmic hamlet]

Wait, its digital? Not physical cards?

[dark dust]

buggy manga 😩

[dark dust]

nono they are physical

[dapper tree]

This is just the card I copied and pasted

I just lazy to go take a picture

It's on my desk

[opal gull]

this the card I want OP-09

ill go to the shop nearby in a few days

lets see if he has OP-09

I hope so

[dark dust]

doubt it tbf

[dapper tree]

Ain't no one have that

[dark dust]

its an anni set

[dapper tree]

I saw a box while I was in Atlanta that was like over 1k

[dark dust]

??? what????

[dapper tree]

I can't remember the exact boxes but they were like 800 and over 1k

[dark dust]

this time 6 months ago i could get op02-12 for retail 💔

[dark dust]

thats wild

[dapper tree]

I bought boxes before for like 80 to 120ish

[dark dust]

i have an op05 and op04 box

[dapper tree]

But now every box I find is over 250

[dark dust]

whaaa???

thats extortion

[cosmic hamlet]

What if the card tears?

[muted hedge]

sure looks like it

[dark dust]

you cry

you put them in protective sleeves so that they dont

[dapper tree]

Op 10, royal blood was selling for 260 at a game store near me

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/y5art/status/2047423310149853495/photo/1

Zoro (@y5art)

Nerona

X · Apr 23, 2026, 9:12 PM

[frail kindle]

a local store near me was selling preorders of op18 for 180

[dark dust]

i saw eb01 for 80 this time last year 💀

[dapper tree]

Buy one for me

[cosmic hamlet]

Would you forgive me if i tore your favourite card?

[frail kindle]

dawg I ain't buying boxes

I'm not 19 anymore, I don't got that kind of money to spend on paper

[dapper tree]

I'm desperate enough to buy for 150ish

[blazing depot]

I want to get into playing the TCG but the scalping and price hikes are insane

I wish Bandai overprinted their cards like Konami does for Yugioh

[dark dust]

absolutely not 🤣 that shit is worth 1.9k

[cosmic hamlet]

So you didn't buy any after 19?

[cosmic hamlet]

But you won't sell it so its worthless

[frail kindle]

I don't remember when I quit playing yugioh

[dark dust]

????

[odd rune]

how attractive are you guys

[dapper tree]

According to this dude who works at a game store. The distribution of op cards after the ones coming out in June or July or whatever is gonna open up

[frail kindle]

my grandma says I look like antonio banderas

[dark dust]

you wont sell your house so its worthless

[dapper tree]

Like a 6

[odd rune]

I picture you as a 7 pasta

And Glex you too

[dapper tree]

6 7

[odd rune]

67

[dapper tree]

[cosmic hamlet]

I will sell it after few years to buy a new one

[frail kindle]

fuck you I'm not a number

I'm a human being

[dark dust]

i will sell my card once i grade it and buy a new one 👍

[odd rune]

antonio banderas is fairly attractive

would you say your grandma is correct

[frail kindle]

no I would not

lmao

[odd rune]

hmm

[blazing depot]

I’m building a Time Machine to prevent the Paul brothers from becoming famous

It’s the only way

[dapper tree]

You are a true hero

[cosmic hamlet]

I will buy it for 1$ if you sell it

[dark dust]

gods work

[dark dust]

im good thanks 😔

[odd rune]

If they werent famous they would still be scumbags

They just wouldnt use their fame to leverage it

[cosmic hamlet]

Who are paul brothers?

[frail kindle]

at least they would be poor scumbags

[odd rune]

I would go back in time and kill them with hatchets and what not

how it feels to KILL people

[dark dust]

they also couldnt afford a 500k manga

[dapper tree]

But poor and not able to sway the economic exchanges of op cards

[odd rune]

they would still be wealthy

[dark dust]

november was the downfall for the tcg

[odd rune]

just from rugpulls and shady businesses

[frail kindle]

they can't rugpull if they're not famous

[odd rune]

the kind of person you find on twitter

[dark dust]

all the pokebros buying gengar namis 💔

[odd rune]

you definitely can

[blazing depot]

I mean you can become famous for a day like the Hawk Tuah girl, then do a rug pull

[dark dust]

its 5 am i need to go to sleep

good night

[frail kindle]

night

[opal gull]

gn

[opal gull]

lol

but i remember during the Trump Coin I was able to make some money before it lost all its value

[ashen rose]

Isn't there a site where you can just, bet on anything?

[cosmic hamlet]

Brace for back to back breaks

[ruby moat]

Fuck Mr beast

[opal gull]

polymarket

[ashen rose]

I know that WB is week break but what's OB?

[ruby moat]

Oda break

Wb is a special break I think

[cosmic hamlet]

WB is WSJ Break
OD is Oda Break

[ashen rose]

Ah

Thanks

[blazing depot]

Wha did Mr Breast do this time

[ruby moat]

He just sucks, nothing specific

[honest garden]

You sure showed him

[ruby moat]

I thought this was manga chat tho tbh

Where it’s more acceptable to just say random stuff

[cosmic hamlet]

Worstgenhq sucks more

[ruby moat]

Ay there we go

[tidal ice]

Yeah bart the people here are much more refined, gotta watch urself

[ruby moat]

Ur right that’s on me my apologies

[blazing depot]

Send Worstgen to prison labor

[ruby moat]

He can chill with Jonny Somali

[cosmic hamlet]

Ewww

[celest mauve]

https://x.com/metanteiconan48/status/2045889071646740738?s=20

Joshua | One piece Arts (@metanteiconan48)

Luffy vs Nerona Imu

X · Apr 19, 2026, 3:35 PM

[cosmic hamlet]

By the time luffy arrives, imu will leave and elbaf ends

[ruby moat]

This chapter was super cool tho, it’s gotta be a long time since weve had a full chapter concentrated on one fight

[cosmic hamlet]

Good chapter 6.5/10

[muted hedge]

it has to be soon we get Imu's color scheme

[blazing depot]

It was a good one

Not a fan of fight chapters in general tho

I prefer lore chapters

But it was nice seeing som JoyBoy sprinkles

[ruby moat]

Tough critic. What’s the highest rated chapter to you?

[muted hedge]

we got a lot of lore from this chapter too

or well, at least a lot of questions regarding the lore

like Imu and Joyboy being friends back then?

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't rate chapters often but probably 9, don't ask me which chapter it is

[muted hedge]

also, it seems to hard confirm that Joyboy and Imu had an ideology clash
Joyboy wanted freedom for the people while Imu saught control over them.
Both Joyboy and Imu thinking their way was the true way to happiness

[cosmic hamlet]

Its probably some chapters which has insane panels in marineford or jaya

[ruby moat]

I see

[muted hedge]

Joyboy's straw hat being within the catacombs of Marijoa is even more interesting now

could that be his gravesite?

and Imu made sure to preserve it as they were friends before all of this

really reminding me of another manga

a seinen specifically

[cosmic hamlet]

Now a days if a chapter has 1 insane page then people go insane, back then a hype chapter used to have 6-8 insane pages in a chapter

[ruby moat]

Definitely adds a lot more depth to imu through very few panels

[blazing depot]

Now I’m really interesting in the story of the void century

Now that apparently they were friends

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/transformers-megatron-73--k01KPYWM85E4096QSENEZ33QDWH

those who know the lore of transformers, those know what i mean

[blazing depot]

This is just Transformers One 😭

[cosmic hamlet]

Where does it say they are friends?

Spoiler manipulation?

[blazing depot]

That’s the implication in one of the panels

[cosmic hamlet]

Which panel

[cosmic hamlet]

Don't imply they are friends honestly

🙄

[blazing depot]

Fool

[celest mauve]

both the silhouettes are laughing

[cosmic hamlet]

They could be but this doesn't imply much

[celest mauve]

so if imu is the dick-shaped one, then he and joyboy were friends

[muted hedge]

dick shaped one, lmfao

[cosmic hamlet]

They could have just met and had a laugh

Not everyone who laugh at each other are friends

That 2 curves and 2 lines symbol indicate laughing?

[muted hedge]

yes

[cosmic hamlet]

Interesting

[thick mango]

it is >50% they were friendly i think. but yeah not 100%

[muted hedge]

okay, i probably sent too many

[muted hedge]

them starting off as friends and then their ideologies creating a divide between them seems the most likely to me

[cosmic hamlet]

I would say 60% they are acquaintance

They are probably not friends like whitebeard and oden

[muted hedge]

by the way i think all devil fruits are covenants

[cosmic hamlet]

Probably not

[frail kindle]

you receive power by giving up the ability to swim

I'd call that a covenant

[cosmic hamlet]

In that way yeah

But they are not covenant to imu

[frail kindle]

I don't think imu was talking exclusively about covenants with him

but as a general statement

[muted hedge]

i feel like he was talking about devil fruits

[cosmic hamlet]

I read the chapter when i was sleepy, i would have to reread once i reach office

[muted hedge]

people crave strength which makes them eat devil fruits, corruption (is probably what the devil of the sea would view eating a devil fruit as), covenant is the pact you make with your devil fruit giving up on swimming in return

[cosmic hamlet]

He probably means everyone is binded to something or someone

[muted hedge]

Loki also just said straight up "sounds like a deal with the devil"

which Devil Fruits basically are

[runic dock]

imu had a very elaborate way of explaining his abilities lmao

thats all that was

[blazing depot]

God Fruit?

[runic dock]

he talked about his DR, his holy knight pacts, and his demonic haki, as if he was philosiphising

[frail kindle]

he's' a philosophiser

[runic dock]

but he was just doing the shounen thing of explaining your abilities to the opponent lol

[muted hedge]

yeah, but i think he has a double meaning with it

as it sounds exactly like the pact you make when you eat a devil fruit

the fruit has dominion over you as it restricts your ability to swim

[runic dock]

coud be , theres something definitely to that joyboy statement, i think joyboy an him were friends until he ate the devils fruit

and made that pact

[muted hedge]

also, why doesn't TCB have Imu speak archaic?

it adds so much character to him

or well, some of them are archaic

[blazing depot]

It’s very inconsistent

[muted hedge]

yeah

[runic dock]

thou wilst eat thy fruit bruh

throw a bruh in there to throw them off

[muted hedge]

lol

Imu is genuinely excited to fight Nidhoggr again it seems

probably a fighting junkie like Garp, Roger and all of the other fighting addicts

[runic dock]

imu needed to use his omen ability to block that attack, FRAUD ALERT

jk he fights very interesting and cool tho, i love the retracting sword and constantly shifting weapon

shotgun to polearm to sword to flail

[muted hedge]

his weapon is dope yeah

[runic dock]

treuly dark toon force

[muted hedge]

flipping over Loki's attack just to counter it with a piercing blow from above was so metal

[runic dock]

with his darksaber too , just extend then retract it, dope af

[muted hedge]

i heard that the leakers were going on about it being another supreme grade black blade sword

[runic dock]

yeah naw lmao definitely not one of those

[muted hedge]

lmfao, it's wild how the leakers make up their own stuff

i'm so glad i don't read the dumb leaks

[cosmic hamlet]

What is hast returned?

[muted hedge]

Nidhoggr has returned

[runic dock]

i wish they would insert their headcanon ideas later when raws are out, not when all we have are hints, but now i feel like i might stop soon reading them cause its getting out of hand

[cosmic hamlet]

So hast is has but in imu accent?

[frail kindle]

yes

[muted hedge]

Imu is speaking in old archaic english, yes

[muted hedge]

they're probably just doing it to engagement bait as long as they can

they probably know themselves that it's wrong

[frail kindle]

can't wait for the leakers to get arrested

[vital heart]

If I dont get fuckin modded in this server in 10 seconds im going to leave the server

10

5

3

[runic dock]

meek

[vital heart]

2

1

Bye

[lilac anchor]

Nidhoggrrr

[frail kindle]

bye meek

it was fun

[lilac anchor]

Joshua noooo

[leaden yew]

someone said that Imu and Joyboy might have had a falling out but that the real culprit was Davy Jones. It would be quite refreshing if it's not Imu but Blackbeard who's the final final boss

[frail kindle]

@vital heart how are ya doing?

@vital heart dude

[lilac anchor]

He left fr

[thick mango]

Aloha?

[frail kindle]

I know he did

but I can still ping him

lmao

[muted hedge]

Josh loves attention doesn't he

[cosmic hamlet]

He don't know how to count

[lilac anchor]

I think it was more of Imu calling for Joyboy to join him to rule the world and Joyboy wanting to be free

[cosmic hamlet]

Obviously @vital heart

[leaden yew]

that could be true but Joyboy was probably not much better than Imu. While Imu may have aimed for domination, Joyboy aimed for freedom that's even free from responsibilities

both aren't good

[frail kindle]

I mean Luffy has said multiple times he's not a good guy

[cosmic hamlet]

So far we have seen everyone in one piece dick ride joyboy

[frail kindle]

so it makes sense

[craggy vapor]

The spoilers for this chapter mentioned Loki getting stabbed by Imu’s black sword. But where is Imu’s sword? I didn’t see it and I didn’t see Loki getting stabbed.

[frail kindle]

imu turned his staff thingy into a sword

[thick mango]

I dunno vp had the most knowledge probably and refused to call joyboy the good guy of the conflict

[muted hedge]

did Vegapunk even know about Imu?

[craggy vapor]

what the hell? I didn’t see this panel

[muted hedge]

they missed it at first

and then updated the link

[cosmic hamlet]

They added it just after 5 mins of release though

Blame arsal 😉

[royal orchid]

opcord mods are hacks

[thick mango]

If it really were black and white I think vp woulda been comfortable saying so. I do get that to some extent a historical perspective is trying to be factual rather than moral but I think that's mostly about not resolving ambiguity with an opinion rather than refusing to recognize something as unambiguously evil

[cosmic hamlet]

Everyone is selfish in onepiece

[thick mango]

Some people are altruistic, like koby

[hazy turret]

Yuck!

[cosmic hamlet]

Koby is also selfish, he moving towards his goal because of luffy but tries to stop luffy from acheiving his goal

Selfish everywhere

[thick mango]

His goal is essentially selfless though

[muted hedge]

Koby essentialy was ready to sacrifice himself just so the war could end

[hazy turret]

You’re probably being sarcastic here but like

[cosmic hamlet]

Luffy is also selfish

He says pirate king is theost free'est person in the world yet only he wants to be pirate king

[hazy turret]

Did he not say he needs to stop Luffy

[muted hedge]

Koby is DEFINITELY not selfish

[muted hedge]

he did

[cosmic hamlet]

So its always about his goal? Selfish itself means thinking only about themself

[hazy turret]

How do I know this isn’t edited

What chapter is that

You wouldn’t lie to me would you ukabas

[thick mango]

It's for the sake of others though. I think it's reductive to say pursuit of any goal is fundamentally selfish if it comes at the expense of any other goal ignoring the content of the goals

[muted hedge]

no

[cosmic hamlet]

Nah, koby said it so

[lilac anchor]

The hell is he gonna do?

[frail kindle]

honesty impact his balls

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[cosmic hamlet]

So its selective selflessness?

[royal orchid]

Koby will be to Luffy what Garp is to Roger or something

[cosmic hamlet]

Garp is also selfish

[craggy vapor]

this chapters proves that Loki > Shamrock

[grand flower]

Koby wanting to stop Luffy is him thinking the responsible thing to do is secure the world-changing power of the OP

[thick mango]

I don't know what you mean. Your goal can be selfless even if it comes at the expense of other people's goals. It's silly to say that pursuit of a goal can only be selfless if it doesn't interfere with anyone else's goals under this standard no goal could ever be selfless because you can always propose an adversarial goal

[grand flower]

Which unfortunately means Luffy can’t have it

[hazy turret]

Oh my blubber

Bootlicker!!!!

[cosmic hamlet]

Nah, shamrock will betray imu and devour him to become the final villain

[grand flower]

I’m tired of hearing people ignore what’s happening in the story becausw they don’t like the characters

You don’t like Koby

I get it

[muted hedge]

here's another

[grand flower]

I want to talk about what’s actually happening in the text tho

[lilac anchor]

Imu is even worse. The dude is planning on the great cleansing which would sink every island

[grand flower]

What I said there isn’t like a subjective opinion on Koby

[hazy turret]

I’m talking about what’s happening in the text too
Which is that Koby is peabrained

[grand flower]

That’s just the storyline, like or hate Koby

Koby is naive but his altruistic nature will be vindicated so I’m interested in him

[thick mango]

If your peaceful future doesn't include the marines, especially good marines like koby, you're just not being realistic. Even the revos understand this

[frail kindle]

rokaya really made shuron type all this shit by just calling him a bootlicker

@hazy turret

[cosmic hamlet]

I didn't say his goal is selfish, i said he is selfish

[royal orchid]

master of baits

[thick mango]

This is splitting hairs. You're calling him selfish for pursuit of a selfless goal

[hazy turret]

There are better, pragmatic “good” marines

[muted hedge]

there's nothing in Koby that is selfish

[grand flower]

Koby is just a greenhorn

[cosmic hamlet]

What is his goal?

[grand flower]

Hachinosu was him going through a serious experience

[thick mango]

Protecting the innocent mostly

[grand flower]

He’ll be more mature the next time we see him

[cosmic hamlet]

Is luffy dream coming in his way of his goal?

[muted hedge]

Koby aims for his goal, just so he can secure the innocents

[thick mango]

How many marines are we gonna be left with if the standard excludes koby? 3?

[hazy turret]

And marineford wasn’t? He didn’t seem to learn much or reflect very deeply about the marines if he’s still this naive

[grand flower]

He’s in SWORD

[royal orchid]

all marines are bastards

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats why i said selective selflessness. Protecting innocent people but he doesn't think luffy is innocent? Why isn't he protecting luffy?

[grand flower]

Koby joining SWORD kind of inherently suggests to us that Koby has realized the limitations of the Navy under this regime

[hazy turret]

You think more good marines are like koby than not?

[grand flower]

Kobys problem isn’t really Navy-related

It’s more so that Koby is so naive, he expects decency from indecent people

[muted hedge]

Luffy is a pirate for fuck sake

Luffy himself has said that he isn't a good guy

[thick mango]

He would protect luffys life if it came down to it I think? Protecting doesn't mean allowing you to achieve anything you want with the fate of the world in consequence

[cosmic hamlet]

Whats that gotta do with his goal? His goal is to protect innocent people irrespective of what they are.

[thick mango]

Are like him in what regard?

[grand flower]

Kobys lowest moments have all been him lacking power, so he’s tried to rely on appeals to decency

He tried to stop Akainu by calling out the waste of life

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats why I asked, what is Luffy doing to acheive his goal is contradicting koby's goal?

[grand flower]

Same with Blackbeard and the petrified people on Amazon Lily

[cosmic hamlet]

For him to interfere

[grand flower]

Koby is trying to appeal to softness in hardened people

[thick mango]

Vegapunk implies the fate of the world, with huge implications for the innocents of the world, will be decided by who claims the one piece.

[grand flower]

He’s probably leaving Hachinosu more hardened himself

What Koby did to Pizzaro kind of suggests koby has started to learn you have to just knock some mfers out

Koby kind of had the opposite lesson to learn of what shanks taught Luffy

[cosmic hamlet]

So he blindly trusts a random persons comments he don't know about rather than luffy whom he knows?

[hazy turret]

Well what do you think? You suggested koby was the standard, so are they all naive and lacking retrospection

[grand flower]

Koby is TOO willing to peacekeep

[thick mango]

I don't think that's a fair criticism vegapunk is well known and there's no reason to distrust what is basically a deathbed confession

[muted hedge]

Luffy isn't innocent that's the point

[thick mango]

I think koby is way way above average in good intent

[cosmic hamlet]

Trust vegapunk? Who experimented on kaido and king without their consent?

He is just as selfish as he gets for his own research

[grand flower]

Most marines are like koby in that they truly believe their desire to protect innocents is supported by joining the Navy because Imu has orchestrated a very successful smoke screen around the WG

[cosmic hamlet]

How is he not innocent?

[thick mango]

Yes I think vegapunk is trustworthy and I think it's reasonable for koby to think vegapunk is trustworthy

[grand flower]

Freed those criminals

That’s kinda always gonna be on Luffy

[hazy turret]

The koby stuff generally, aside from that personality type generally being annoying, can be overlooked if it weren’t the confusing relationship with Luffy. We can do without the admiration and borderline fangirling, it would make the shift to “I have to stop you from achieving what you want because I believe it’s bad for the entire world” less jarring

[grand flower]

Luffy is pure hearted but that was an unethical thing to do

[cosmic hamlet]

vegapunk is trustworthy

You lost the argument here itself 🤦🏽‍♂️

Koby is just walking blind path where he thinks he is protecting innocent people if he believes whatever crap his ear listens

[hazy turret]

I would agree I think, I assumed you were saying the average marine was like koby

[cold steppe]

I think in the one piece world having the title of pirate makes you a criminal, even without doing anything

[grand flower]

A lot of those guys were bad people who went on to hurt people after being free

[thick mango]

What do you mean we know as omniscient readers the message was trustworthy

[cosmic hamlet]

Okay that i agree

[thick mango]

The facts are on the side of him being trustworthy you gotta justify it being reasonable to distrust it

[cosmic hamlet]

Vegapunk is not trustworthy, he just yaps whatever he believes, doesn't mean its true

[frail kindle]

he literally said he only speaks in what he knows

[thick mango]

That's a crazy conclusion to draw that I don't agree with at all but it's fine to disagree

[cosmic hamlet]

Exactly

And koby still believed him

[grand flower]

See that’s just not the angle Koby is coming from. They just learned the OP isn’t just a treasure like they previously thought, it’s something that has the power to save or destroy the entire world

The game changed with that revelation. Koby saying sorry to Luffy is communicating to us that Koby wholeheartedly believed luffy would find the OP, so when he decides “we have to secure it,” Luffy is the only person he considers

[frail kindle]

what I'm saying is that vegapunk saying something means its true

because he doesn't speak in terms of opinions, but facts

[grand flower]

Koby respects Luffy becausw he understands luffy isn’t a bad or dangerous person

[muted hedge]

Vegapunk himself said that he didn't want to theorize

[grand flower]

It’s not about keeping it out of luffys hands specifically

[royal orchid]

the fact that he doesn't know

good fact

the best fact

[grand flower]

Koby just thinks the responsible thing to do is to secure it

[thick mango]

He can be wrong but so can anyone else. Under the standard of he just says what he knows we ought to distrust every source of information other than the narrator

[grand flower]

and Luffy not being able to have it is just a consequence of that

[cosmic hamlet]

Its not crazy conclusion? I didn't say he is wrong nor correct, i just said its bad to believe whatever he says

[hazy turret]

Koby isn’t the only one with good intentions. I find their mindset to be pragmatic and less dangerous. If you lack the ability discern evil, trickery, and manipulation how can you be expected to protect the innocent. This is something that annoys me about koby that after seeing marineford he seems to still have faith in the establishment and what it stands for. The other “good marines” have stepped out of line to do what they believe is good at the very least. They understand that the marines are not a perfect organization but they still believe they’re the lesser of two evils

[grand flower]

I don’t think it’d be believable that the WG has succeeded for 800 years if the ruse was that easy to see through

[thick mango]

I think it's reasonable to believe the deathbed message of a world renowned scientist. Its not 50/50 he's telling the truth vs he's telling lies to troll the world

[grand flower]

This criticism always ignores that the story has established to us that the WG maintains the false image of net positivity

That wouldn’t be possible if one teenager doing retrospection sees through it

This take is an unwillingness to accept that the Navy is a genuine force that helps more OVERALL than the WG hurts by design of the WG

[hazy turret]

And this is why I think this friendship dynamic thing needs to be reevaluated. If you think Luffy getting his hands on it would be a force for bad or a force for chaos, this is someone that goes against what you believe and fight for. If their relationship changes to be something akin to a mutual respect for their honor and discipline (like Roger and garp) then it would annoy me less lol

[grand flower]

You guys let the concentrated evils of things like Ohara overshadow the long term day to day saving thousands

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/aywakutakuay/status/2047396302141456826/photo/1

waker (@aywakutakuay)

THUND5R

X · Apr 23, 2026, 7:24 PM

[quiet shuttle]

Mr. Absolute Ragebait

[thick mango]

It just maybe needed a bit more dialogue? Acknowledge luffys goodness but say he can't be trusted with the fate of the world or whatever. Might be wordy/awkward

[grand flower]

It’s not about Luffy being a force for bad. It’s about “we aren’t faking chances because we’re the ones who are actually prioritized by protecting innocents”

They cannot account for Luffy

They can hold themselves accountable though

[cosmic hamlet]

I think if koby believed in luffy he would have trusted luffy more than vegapunk words

[grand flower]

That’s why they want to secure it

It’s not about it being bad in luffys hands

Koby just believes the world is better off with it in theirs

Which makes sense since he’s the marine

[thick mango]

Luffys goodness and vegapunks words aren't mutually exclusive or even in any conflict

It's not believe luffy is good or trust vegapunk's message. You can do both

[grand flower]

Even luffys own crew will also recognize yeah, Luffy wants to do shit we will never let him do sometimes

So idk why it’s so derisive that kobys thought process is

We can’t hold Luffy accountable

And he’s liable to do crazy shit

So we will just hold onto that

[hazy turret]

It would be very believable lol he was a witness to marineford, a battle like that doesn’t happen every generation. And like I said, many would believe that the good outweighs the bad. This is sort of mentality has carried countless armed forces for centuries. A sense of purpose and duty, that even though the very top is corrupt the cause is still worth it

[grand flower]

What exactly about marineford was supposed to make Koby, I’m assuming leave the marines?

[cosmic hamlet]

Ehhh, if you are trying to stop luffy from acheiving his goal then you are not trusting luffy. Koby thinking this even after knowing corruption in wg is crazy

[prisma idol]

Chat ive seen people saying they cant fully hate imu and that he seems tragic from what we have gotten so far. Do you agree?

[grand flower]

I think I’m a little lost on what you want from Koby

[grand flower]

He genocides

[prisma yacht]

Tragic?😭

[muted hedge]

i'd marry him

[grand flower]

Not even has committed a genocide

He genocides in present tense

[cosmic hamlet]

Irrespective of what flashback he gets he still deserves painful death, we got so many slaves in mariejois who suffered for years and still suffering.

[thick mango]

You can know luffy is good and still not trust him with the fate of the world. He's reckless. Countless examples even in the present.

[prisma idol]

They say what we have so far portrayed him as someone who has suffered himself. Even if he is still evil

[grand flower]

His own crew feels compelled to rein him in and say no sometimes

[cosmic hamlet]

Genocide is just painless death, the much worse thing is slaving them for years

[prisma idol]

You can be evil and tragic, for example big mom

[grand flower]

Nami outright scolds him

[muted hedge]

this is wild

[thick mango]

And that's still not a luffy or vegapunk situation. You need to believe vegapunk to even entertain the question of can luffy be trusted with the fate of the world

[grand flower]

Big Mom might be the biggest example cause she damn near had her chances cut out from under her in childhood

[cosmic hamlet]

Ehhh, koby just deciding this without any proper reseach or info

[grand flower]

Big Mom just had no solid basis to work with

[prisma yacht]

They both have different paths to follow , in the beginning of the series we see them respecting each other to follow their respective dreams

[thick mango]

What is he supposed to do become a scholar for a few years??

[cosmic hamlet]

Not defending genocide lol, just saying suffering them for 50 years is worse than painless death

[grand flower]

I was gonna mention the slavery at first tbh

[prisma yacht]

Do we even have such evidence

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lol-freezer--k01KPZ0JWBC61BD9ZFD60M6X23X

[cosmic hamlet]

Not disagreeing this, the initial point is everyone is selfish so is koby

[prisma yacht]

I see

[split pelican]

this is dogshit guys , tell me this is edited

[cosmic hamlet]

No, just don't decide and do stuff with half half info?

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah

[ruby moat]

whats wrong with it

[split pelican]

omg , am stealing it

[muted hedge]

the one piece fandom proving itself as one of the must unfunny yet again

[hazy turret]

Leaving the marines is ideal but I know this is a story and that’s not the storyline Oda is going for. But I think Koby should have been disillusioned with the marines/WG at least a considerable amount. It seems like he’s letting his morality be guided by what the marines believe and what their goals are instead of letting his morals guide the marines. We saw a glimpse of that in marineford when he was trying to get everyone to stop fighting, but from what we’ve seen since then there seems to be no challenging no boundary pushing. Again, other marines who are loyal have shown us that they have their own moral compass and if something goes against it they will put their foot down for the greater good

[thick mango]

What source of info do you propose that's better than vegapunk, the world renowned scientist who studied this forbidden knowledge for years and is leaving a deathbed message to the world?

[split pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/get-tf-out-get-out-zimba-lion-king-monkey-gif-1461417101263154936

[prisma yacht]

Yeah don't forget to give me credit cause I have totally not stolen this from macks

[hazy turret]

Incredible. It’s almost nostalgic in a way

[split pelican]

yea for sure

i believe you

[ruby moat]

i genuinely dont get the problem with the imu panel

[muted hedge]

it's too goofy for some people who read One Piece, can you believe it

[cosmic hamlet]

Just the info which you see with your eyes?

You can't say koby didn't see corruption in wg and trying to eliminate innocent people just to hide stuff?

[split pelican]

not imu dawg

[hazy turret]

He’s making the Reddit soyjak face

[thick mango]

What does this have to do with trusting in the importance of the one piece?

[ruby moat]

wild

[cosmic hamlet]

Do you think koby didn't know there are slaves in mariejois?

[hazy turret]

[split pelican]

he caught them

[hazy turret]

[ruby moat]

based oda pop culture reference

[cosmic hamlet]

You asked what info he has to believe, I'm saying believe what he sees directly rather than someone saying this happened

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-soy-soy-jak-soyjak-wojak-gif-9079127049208359234

[prisma yacht]

Inserts magellan poop emoji

[thick mango]

What can he see with his eyes should he weigh against the truthfulness of vegapunks claims

The wg being bad doesn't make the vp untrustworthy

[grand flower]

1. How is leaving the Marines ideal when it means you will inevitably save less people because no other force can supply the same amount of ammo, weapons, tools, ships, manpower, training, and munitions?

2. Koby joining SWORD in order to act outside of the higher ups’ orders communicates disillusionment with the Navy/WG system

[cosmic hamlet]

That there is something more to know before deciding? Vegapunk himself said he doesn't know all the info, he just shares whatever he finds. The info is not complete. Why do you decide to do things with half assed info?

Believing that innocent people will die if luffy finds one piece is stupid

[thick mango]

You're setting out an impossible standard how is he supposed to fill in the gaps in vegapunks knowledge? And he's not supposed to take action unless he knows what? The entire history of the world in 100% objective fact?

[split pelican]

chose your final villian

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not asking to fill in the gaps? I'm just saying to not decide to do stuff with half assed info? Just wait and do what do you think is best for now?

[hazy turret]

Leaving being ideal is a personal thing of mine, that’s what I mean by ideal. As in thats what I would like for the character to go, but again that’s not how stories work and I’m here to see what Oda has to say

Correct me if I’m wrong, but SWORD is still being used to push the WG agenda but gives a way for the marines to not be liable if anything happens to them since they have their resignation letters ready in case they are captured and need to break some rules? It’s not as revolutionary as you seem to make it

[thick mango]

The gaps are the other half of the info. What are you waiting for? Where is the trustworthy worldwide message coming from?

[hazy turret]

I think Koby believing VP is simply just because of VP’s reputation in the world

[cosmic hamlet]

Just like vegapunk message? Did he know vegapunk message is coming? He didn't right? He doesn't have to know what will come in the future to wait

[thick mango]

Vp should be believed he's a world renowned scientist and this is a deathbed message he has no reason to lie

[ruby moat]

known smartest man in the world hijacks every communication network in the entire world to send a message on his death

[hazy turret]

Appeal to authority and whatnot and such as and so on

[split pelican]

Cocks watching loki make imu bleed from the bottom of hell

[thick mango]

Well we know this is a recipe for action paralysis, there is no other scholar that will fill in the gaps and clear an obvious path to action

[cosmic hamlet]

Again, I'm not saying vegapunk is lying to everyone

I'm saying he could be lying without knowing

Vegapunk himself doesn't know everything

[thick mango]

But who's gonna know then? If you can't trust vp who can you trust.

He is the most trustworthy source in the world pretty much

[hazy turret]

I mean to be fair

We seem to take the news for what they say

For the most part

[honest garden]

Not me!

[cosmic hamlet]

So just blindly believe whatever you get because you ain't getting more?

[grand flower]

The purpose of sword is so that they can do what they want basically, it’s for marines who want to disobey orders and do what they think they should be doing instead

[thick mango]

Believe a message that has many properties that make it trustworthy because any higher standard would lead to action paralysis

Can you save that princess being ambushed on the way to the reverie? How do you know the report isn't a lie? Sense it yourself? How do you know you're not perceiving a magical illusion or trick?

[cosmic hamlet]

Bro koby doesn't even know vp, he doesn't know what kinda person he is.

You keep saying nobody lies in deathbed but we can see kanjuro decided to die by being a traitor.

There are crazy people. We might know vegapunk but koby doesn't. He decided everything based on someone message who works for world government who only cares about his research

[maiden saffron]

old anime is crazy

[ruby moat]

VP is famous in the one piece world as the smartest man in the world

[hazy turret]

Do what they want to again achieve marine/WG goals. They’re targeting enemies of the WG, they’re putting themselves in dangerous situations with these yonkos and to stop a war from breaking out the marines can just go “these guys aren’t affiliated with us, see? Look at their resignation letters”

[thick mango]

Vp is world renowned this is established plenty of times throughout the story

[honest garden]

And for having served the WG for many years

What's the argument anyway?

[hazy turret]

They’re not some underground rebel group

[cosmic hamlet]

And so is wg which is corrupt and uses slaves which koby knows

[honest garden]

Coby shouldn't believe the Vegaspeech?

[thick mango]

Yeah

I say he should

[cosmic hamlet]

Vegapunk literally works for world government

[honest garden]

Yeah and?

[thick mango]

So does koby

[ruby moat]

which is why him doing something that opposes the government (even if not directly stated in the message) makes it even more believable

[hazy turret]

I mean Koby is WG affiliated, that’s his teammate

[maiden saffron]

Yeah and he was hunted down for it. Precisely because he went against their wishes.

There's no reason Coby shouldn't trust Vegapunk's speech

[ruby moat]

he hijacked radio's and tv's and nobody, including the marines/wg, could stop the message. that alone means its an act of rebellion

[honest garden]

Vegapunk's relationship with the WG and his major contributions to their military might should make it more believable that Vegapunk speaks out against them

[cosmic hamlet]

There is no reason for koby believing vegapunk speech whom he doesn't know personally and works for world government and decide to stop luffy dream

🤦🏽‍♂️

He is just selfish that only his dream is important

[hazy turret]

I think it’s pretty clear Koby isn’t the type to question what he’s told, that’s for sure

[ruby moat]

coby can easily change his mind when presented with new info lol

such as learning luffy's "real dream"

[split pelican]

luffy to imu in next chapter

[ruby moat]

with what he currently knows it's pretty reasonable for him to decide that luffy shouldnt get the one piece

[cosmic hamlet]

Smartest doesn't mean he is always right or he is good

[thick mango]

If you wanna say it's not reasonable to distrust luffy with the one piece I can maybe see where you're coming from
But saying it's not reasonable to believe vp speech describing the importance of the one piece is crazy to me

[hazy turret]

That’s fine as long as that means there’s a change in the dynamic between them too

[honest garden]

This is your contention, not an argument. Folks have provided reasons for Koby to believe Vegapunk (Vegapunk is the most respected scientist in the world, Vegapunk is burning his reputation/life to speak out against the WG, Koby knows there's a dark underbelly behind the WG)

[cosmic hamlet]

Even if we look at other perspective, Vegapunk message has so much info which indicates world government corruption yet koby only cares for luffy dream 🤦🏽‍♂️

[honest garden]

I still think Koby wants to stop Luffy, and edit the world to fit Koby's image, much like everyone else's goal to get the One Piece

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes this is my contention for my point that everyone in one piece is selfish including koby

[honest garden]

Koby proves through his actions that he is self-sacrificing to a fault

[honest garden]

Remember when Koby gave up his life for his marine buddies?

[maiden saffron]

I dont even think it has to do with him being a simpleton (which he is, though not as much as someone like luffy) - I think he just doesn't have a good reason to doubt his speech.

Even ignoring everything such as the WG trying to supress his speech, both by cutting it short and censorship, Vegapunk starts the speech by saying "if my predictions dont come true, ignore the rest of this speech"

[thick mango]

The evil of the wg and the goodness of luffy are towards the first claim not the second

[cosmic hamlet]

Also talked about this point. He is showing selflessness selectively.

[honest garden]

What

[maiden saffron]

I don't think it's selective, he's acted consistently all the time lol

[honest garden]

His character trait of throwing himself upon the sword gets to be annoying, in my opinion, it is definitely consistent

[cosmic hamlet]

Which claim are you talking about

[maiden saffron]

As for him caring about luffy's dream, like what does that even mean? I think Coby respects luffy but if Luffy does something he doesn't agree with, he will try and stop him.

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't think so, people can be selfless about certain things and selfish about other things.

[ruby moat]

even in his "bad" moments it's self sacrificing. He tried to pause his own rescue from fullalead by stopping to free another slave, who ended being someone tricking him

[thick mango]

1. Luffy can't be trusted with the important one piece
2. Koby is unreasonable to believe the one piece is important in the first place through vp speech

[maiden saffron]

Well coby so far hasn't acted in an inconsistent way as far as im concerned

[honest garden]

So he's selfless about his life, and selfish when it comes to stopping a pirate from throwing the world into chaos

Doing something you personally believe is good is not selfish

Doing something self-serving, especially at the cost of others, is selfish

[cosmic hamlet]

luffy can't be trusted with one piece

Eventhough he is the one who made koby walk the right path?

[honest garden]

Yeah

[maiden saffron]

Luffy inspired Coby to follow his dream but Coby doesn't need to agree with everything luffy does

[cosmic hamlet]

Are you saying he doesn't know there are innocent slaves in mariejois?

[honest garden]

He did one good thing for Koby so he should be the one to rip down the world in his image?

Koby isn't reading the story, he's living in it

[maiden saffron]

That's not what i'm saying, but I think it's been highlighted various times throughout the story that even though a lot of marines exist that wanna change the system, they're just not strong enough to do so yet

[honest garden]

He does not know the story follows Luffy, our protagonist, fighting against the antagonists

[maiden saffron]

and there will definitely come a turning point in the story

when it all makes sense

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm saying him thinking only his pov is correct is selfish. He only thinks what he believes is right eventhough he know he has limited info

[maiden saffron]

So I don't get that specific point of yours, and why its supposed to be relevant

[honest garden]

I'd agree if we knew Koby has seen things contrary to his point of view, and has ignored it

[thick mango]

I see where you're coming from on 1 I was mostly disagreeing on 2

[cosmic hamlet]

Doesn't that come under selective behaviour? Where he choose to help some innocent people and throw a blind eye towards others?

[ruby moat]

the story isnt over

[honest garden]

When did he show a blind eye to others

[cosmic hamlet]

No? My point is that why is he blindly believing luffy will rip down the world?

[ruby moat]

not being able to act yet is not turning a blind eye to it

[honest garden]

Because that's what the one piece is

[ruby moat]

acting while not being strong enough or capable to do anything means you cant do anything now or later

[honest garden]

Koby stood up to Akainu, which shows he's not willing to put up with atrocities just because they're on his team

[thick mango]

It's usually net good but luffy shakes up pretty much every place he goes and is extremely reckless on countless occasions it's not that unreasonable to be a bit worried about the fake of the world in his hands

[cosmic hamlet]

He did, didn't he go to capture boa hancock and kuja pirates? Did he question what they did wrong?

[maiden saffron]

It's the most he can do with the freedom he currently has. Yes, coby can storm mariejois if he wants to, but that's not gonna be a productive endeavour and he understands this. This is different to his self-sacrificing nature in other places because he believes he can actually make a difference.

He stood up to Akainu for the same reason.

This is actually what makes Luffy different to almost every other character in the show

[honest garden]

He was capturing pirates, which are by definition, criminals

[maiden saffron]

barring roger and ace

They all know their limits

Luffy doesn't

[honest garden]

Do you think Boa hasn't killed innocent people?

[thick mango]

Boa also enabled the breakout of impel down though I don't think koby knows that

[cosmic hamlet]

Regarding point 2

I think its best to either do your own research eventhough its small.

I also want to ask if this was made after the garp incident? He might be riding on emotions

[ruby moat]

bruh u want him to "do his own research" on the void century?

[cosmic hamlet]

Mariejois slaves 🙄

[maiden saffron]

What you're saying can also be applied to Fujitora. Are we seriously gonna pretend Fujitora is somehow bad because he isn't helping everyone 100% the time and sometimes is forced to turn a blind eye?

I don't think you'll say the same thing about Fuji because the story actually highlights this. The same applies to Coby and other people even if it's not explicitly stated.

[thick mango]

I don't think it's reasonable to say do your own research on forbidden knowledge and expect you'll even be able to accomplish that at all and be able to get more clarity than the greatest scientist in the world

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not saying he didn't do good stuff.

I'm saying he acts selfless at times but also acts selfish thinking his pov is always correct

[prisma yacht]

I'm not sure if hes aware of their conditions

[honest garden]

Koby didn't visit Mariejois iirc

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

[maiden saffron]

I don't actually think it changes anything even if he had

we know that marines are sometimes forced to turn a blind eye even if what they believe in might differ

[ruby moat]

he escorted rebecca's ship to the reverie but im not sure if he's ever shown on top of the red line at mariejois

[thick mango]

Impaling himself onto the wg to free a round of slaves is not the best possible thing he could do

[honest garden]

I understand your contention. If you want to make the argument that all humans are inherently selfish because we cannot live in other peoples' shoes all the time, sure, but that's a more philosophic argument

[thick mango]

All he can do is the best of his reasonably available choices and he does that

[maiden saffron]

I don't actually believe coby thinks "his pov is always correct". He literally just does what he thinks is the best thing to do in a situation.

[thick mango]

I think it's useless to collapse everything into selfishness like that because we no longer have a meaningful distinction/spectrum to describe actions at that point

[cosmic hamlet]

Sorry my supervisor called, let me respond to the pings

[maiden saffron]

debating OP on the job

W

[ruby moat]

i was just about to say i wish i could do that at my job

[prisma yacht]

Although ur right about seeing them as expendables for wg
However knowing the kind of ppl they are and their master garp I'd like to see this in a way where they try to prioritise saving lives more than completing wgs objectives, them staying in the marines don't let them have this kind of freedom to exercise they can't disobey their orders which is where swords comes in play

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not expecting to storm mariejois but atleast have open mind that whatever you see in facevalue is not correct

[maiden saffron]

can you tell what character this is based on skintone?

[honest garden]

Mfw I'm starting my job that I've been looking forward to for 6 months

[honest garden]

No, I'm not a racist ❤️

[ruby moat]

like half the cast

[maiden saffron]

why not

i feel like you can't anymore

[honest garden]

We all bleed red (except for robots)

[maiden saffron]

but in the old anime you definitely can

everyone has a different skin color

which is really cool

the new anime 💔

[cosmic hamlet]

That gets to my point, his goal is to protect innocent people, irrespective of what they are. Why didn't he question whats the crime they committed and simply going by they are pirates? Thats why i said his thinking of his pov is correct is flawed

[prisma yacht]

Hate clankers

[cosmic hamlet]

It doesn't matter what i believe, it matters what koby believes and whether he knows they are innocent or not

[prisma yacht]

Bcs pirates are bad

[honest garden]

Pirates are, by definition, people who attack ships at sea to steal their cargo. In doing so, they likely injur and kill innocent people. We don't need to see Coby thumbing through her warrant because we know Boa is a criminal

We've seen Boa nearly kill one of her own citizens

[maiden saffron]

I'm wondering what makes you think Coby takes everything to be true?

Me and others have already stated that Vegapunk's speech isn't just "something". It's the word of the smartest and arguably most knowledgeable man in the entire world of one piece. And he's broadcasting something that the government wants to take down and censor.

A lot more believable than anything else you might hear from someone

[prisma yacht]

Even roger exclaims plundering is in pirate's core

[cosmic hamlet]

No? Instead of listening to something on air from some person whom you don't know and blindly believing it. Breath and do your own mini research and whether what he says matches

[ruby moat]

Dude what is the topic the message is about

[honest garden]

Research the void century?

[ruby moat]

It’s the void century

[maiden saffron]

you do realize that you can't do research on the void century

at all

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not asking to do his own research on void century, do a research on what kinda person is vegapunk. Can he trust him?

[maiden saffron]

no "mini research"

no anything

[honest garden]

Big resonance in chat rn

[cosmic hamlet]

He does

[maiden saffron]

it might aswell not exist

[prisma yacht]

How can you forget her kicking a kitten

[prisma yacht]

Even high born nobles don't know about it

Why do u expect koby to know

[cosmic hamlet]

He didn't yeah, I'm just saying he still ignoring them but I'm not gonna push this side because mariejois slaves is a weak argument i agree

[honest garden]

Oh research vegapunk, well, all public information about Vegapunk is that he is a widely respected scientist, maybe that he once used to be part of MADS

[still mason]

I just watched Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro curb stomp a cat last week, they should be getting this same treatment

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm saying they always showed selfishness at some point on the series. Atleast the main characters who are relevant to the story

[prisma yacht]

They get worse buddy

[thick mango]

People have already pointed out why the context of the message makes it trustworthy. It's known the wg is trying to stop it. It's known it's a deathbed confession. It explicitly calls out areas of uncertainty and hedges as appropriate. It sets up the pending rise in sea level as external verification of the claims.

[ruby moat]

So you want a panel of Koby searching up vegapunk just for it to call him the smartest man in the world even though we the viewers have been shown that multiple times already

[cosmic hamlet]

Him deciding he needs to stop luffy's dream is him thinking whatever he feels about the situation is correct

[cosmic hamlet]

Software job
I complete my work in 1 or 2 hrs and chill rest of the time

[honest garden]

I tend to think the things I think are correct, otherwise I wouldn't think them

[prisma yacht]

He always wanted to stop Luffy

[ruby moat]

Coby using luffy as someone to chase after and progress through is something that Luffy himself encourages

[honest garden]

If new evidence or different thoughts don't match what I think, then I can adapt my thoughts. We haven't seen Koby have to do this so far

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats not kobys goal

His goal isn't "i will eliminate all pirates". His goal is to protect innocent people. Even if they are pirates. If they actually are innocent and didn't do any crimes then he has to protect them instead of arresting

[cosmic hamlet]

But I'm not talking about our pov, I'm talking about koby pov.

Did koby and marines came to arrest only boa?

[prisma yacht]

He can achieve it on a much larger scale if he prevents another pirate king from happening

More pirates = more trouble innocent citizens have

[cosmic hamlet]

Even if it comes from a smartest person, if the person works for world government who you know is corrupt, you atleast think before you make world changing decisions

[honest garden]

Yes obviously. My point is that Boa is not innocent.

I don't recall if it was just her or the Kuja pirates, doesn't matter though. All members of a pirate crew are criminals

[cosmic hamlet]

No, research about vegapunk

[ruby moat]

When the smartest man in the world that works for the government releases a message AGAINST the government it means it’s some serious shit

[maiden saffron]

But the government is trying to censor the message is it not?

[cosmic hamlet]

That kitten probably deserves it

[honest garden]

This is going in circles

[prisma yacht]

[maiden saffron]

I think Coby, also working for said government knows that if anyone broadcasts a message against the government like that

they're gone

[cosmic hamlet]

Maybe I'm asking too much

[urban epoch]

yall liked the chapter?

[spice cairn]

I think all pirates need to die actually

[honest garden]

They're all criminals, at least

[honest garden]

Yeah, a bit short feeling but that's just cos I read it too fast

[urban epoch]

am I detecting a speed reader

[cosmic hamlet]

And what about my other point? That koby is selectively only focusing on one aspect of the message? What about the corruption of wg.

Don't tell me he is just doing what he can at his limit, stopping luffy is also out of his limit at this stage. He can dream big

[urban epoch]

Or are you but a fast boi

https://tenor.com/view/fast-michael-scott-running-gif-5239906698415475883

[prisma yacht]

It's okay u always have the opti to ban him

[honest garden]

I just love one piece so much I need to see the next page asap

[maiden saffron]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[honest garden]

If I could ban folks who're difficult to argue with we'd have 2% of the users we have now

[prisma yacht]

Y'all fw maki haki

[thick mango]

I don't think koby plans to give the one piece to the wg. Maybe part of why he wants to claim it is to help the marines strive further towards true honest justice

[cosmic hamlet]

Smartest =/= always correct or a good person

We are talking about a guy who is selfish himself and does anything for his research to progress. We cannot assume his morality is correct to take his statements at face value.

[maiden saffron]

isnt maki just devil power

and haki is different

wtf is maki haki

[spice cairn]

Chapter is cool

[honest garden]

I don't like maki because yeah it makes it seem like an alterate form of haki

[prisma yacht]

The free will offer stands only for cyg

[prisma yacht]

Maki is evil haki

[thick mango]

But isn't your greater point that everyone is selfish so isn't this standard guaranteed to lead to action paralysis

[honest garden]

Why isn't it called eaki, then

(evil + haki)

[maiden saffron]

i dont think its evil haki i think its just ... devil power ...

[prisma yacht]

idk maybe oda is dumb

[maiden saffron]

the power of the devil

if you will

[prisma yacht]

eaki

nice

y'all fw eaki

?

[maiden saffron]

ye

[prisma yacht]

🔥🦉

[thick mango]

I gotta sleep though bye

[maiden saffron]

man the recent anime episode was so dogshit though

[cosmic hamlet]

If koby want to change in much larger scale then he should plan to save slaves like fujitora 😉

[maiden saffron]

Gn

[prisma yacht]

Gn

[honest garden]

Cya QBZ

[ruby moat]

Gn

[prisma yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/854773231000223755.gif?v=1

[cosmic hamlet]

How all of them are criminals?

[cosmic hamlet]

Yet koby ignored the message against wg and only focused on luffy stuff 😐

[honest garden]

I'm going to stop repeating myself

[cosmic hamlet]

No?

[honest garden]

Scroll up if you want my answer

[prisma yacht]

Ban ban ban

[ruby moat]

You don’t know that

[honest garden]

I"M BURNIGN HELP MEEEEE

This haaaaas to be troll

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm sorry, its running in circles because I'm replying late because i had to reply to multiple people 😭

[maiden saffron]

they sent the highest authority of the government to egghead to cut it short

fym no

[prisma yacht]

Mute him for 5 secs

Pls

[ruby moat]

The difference between being a pirate and being a sailor is that pirates are criminals

[cosmic hamlet]

Why would he give one piece to wg? Thats not the point. I'm talking about corruption in wg. If he is dreaming big why not dream big like i will save slaves from mariejois.

I feel like him stopping luffy and saving slaves from mariejois are at the same level of difficulty 😐

[manic yoke]

What's the debate?

[cosmic hamlet]

I still stand by it. I also said it multiple times, koby thinking his pov only makes sense is selfish.

He gets some info and makes decisions based on it. He doesn't think the validity of the info.

He doesn't even have to do research, can he not even think like whatever vegapunk is saying might be wrong?

[ruby moat]

you are holding koby to a standard that nobody in one piece has ever been held to

he for some reason needs to review information before acting on it

from the renowned world's smartest man in the world no less

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gato-triste-com-sono-bocejando-cansado--k01KPZ3T52TKR4NTRXVTG1VC2Y8

[cosmic hamlet]

I do know because he didn't make any statement about it

[cold steppe]

It's anti climactic but there's a simple reason. He doesn't want to lose his job or betray it

[cosmic hamlet]

They planned to stop it, not censor it

[ruby moat]

bro

ok

[honest garden]

KILL ME \

[ruby moat]

lmfao

[maiden saffron]

you cant be serious bro

[honest garden]

Cyg you've earnt a permanent spot on my 'don't bother' list

[cosmic hamlet]

[granite shuttle]

Y this is so muxh more alive than manga 1

[spice cairn]

Also Manga is the secret sauce

[honest garden]

This channel sometimes has real discussions about the manga

[spice cairn]

Especially on chapter day

[cosmic hamlet]

Anyone with a working brain would think whether what he is saying is true or not atleast once

[granite shuttle]

Guys here is my hottest take

[cosmic hamlet]

You yourself joined the argument though

[honest garden]

Yeah notice oh my god I almost took the bait

Not bothering

[granite shuttle]

Shanks will challenge laffe to dabby back fight and get back stabbed by blackbeard

[ruby moat]

do you have examples of people in one piece hearing something and being shown to pause and consider whether or not its true

examples that include the statement being from the world's smartest man would be extra helpful

[cosmic hamlet]

I can think of that celestial dragon firl

Girl*

Charloss sister?

[granite shuttle]

Yes

[ruby moat]

wasnt that her trusting the message and being like "wait im the bad guy"

[granite shuttle]

The super cooky one

[prisma idol]

What bait

[ruby moat]

wasnt it literally her hearing the message and believing it

[cosmic hamlet]

She was in doubt whether its true or false

[honest garden]

See you in 30 minutes

[granite shuttle]

I mean the gorosei know that information is fake

someone who knows Morgan will also know

[cosmic hamlet]

I single handedly dominated entire chat 😎

[granite shuttle]

Maybe coby runs into vivi

[ruby moat]

this?

[prisma idol]

I don't believe that for a second

[rustic coral]

https://x.com/BantuKingu/status/2047412710594183493

St Bantu 👑 (@BantuKingu)

#ONEPIECE1181
The paneling connoisseurs are quiet

X · Apr 23, 2026, 8:30 PM

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes

[ruby moat]

thats not what u said

[cosmic hamlet]

She is definitely feeling conflicted

[granite shuttle]

Lie

[cosmic hamlet]

Why not

[granite shuttle]

She don't

[cosmic hamlet]

😭

[granite shuttle]

U on Yr own

[prisma idol]

Please pull up the panels

[ruby moat]

that is her asking what the void century is after hearing it mentioned in the message

that is her believing the message's content and wanting to learn more about what it said

[cosmic hamlet]

No panels, you can read the conversation from last 30-45mins?

Or maybe 1 hr

[prisma idol]

No

Provide panels to back up your arguement

[maiden saffron]

there was this era of openings where they would always blow up marine warships

have luffy and the others taken out a marine warship in the manga?

i honestly cannot remember

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes, that is how one should behave after hearing it. Not blindling believing it word to word and make a big world changing statement

[prisma yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1495785104063070321/kobyslow.gif

[ruby moat]

that is quite literally her believing the message and wanting it to be expanded upon.