also-manga

[iron oriole]

now we have Hajrudin who wants to unite all Giants in the world, he'll be the guide for current & all future Giants, truly playing the role of Odin the all Father

[ashen perch]

very different from the Elders that opposed Harald, and even different from the younger Harald

they are chill, regardless of the WG fearing them so much smh

[lunar bison]

Hajrudin way too weak. This chapter highlighted how his crew needed to save him for his rash behaviour. Stansen lost a leg so hajrudin didnt lose his life

[iron oriole]

thats not exactly exclusive to Dorry & Brogy

[ashen perch]

they built that reputation

they were the most feared thing on the planet in their time, but I am just saying that they're not some evil monsters lol

Hajrudin will benefit from being guided by them, or atleast one of them

[iron oriole]

i never claimed that they were evil monsters

[ashen perch]

well you compared them with the elders who were that...

[iron oriole]

i used Harald following the elders as an example for following old men being bad

[lunar bison]

Hajrudin is growing naturally through aligning with the conflicts of the strawhats. He doesnt need dorry and broggy

What they gonna teach him lol

[iron oriole]

because the world has changed, we dont need someone who hasn't changed with the world, warrior Giants aren't going to be needed & thats what Dorry & Brogy are

[ashen perch]

I know, my point is that it doesnt mean following ANY older man is bad lol. Momo is being guided by the Scabbards, Carrot by Shishilion and the others, etc

[lunar bison]

Strongly agree with this specific point @iron oriole

[distant vine]

Well the Carrot thing is bad but for other reasons...

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin will not be doing it alone, he's still young and very inexperienced

[iron oriole]

yeah he'll do it with his brother

i'll give you that much

[ashen perch]

EVEN younger and more inexperienced

[iron oriole]

probably more experienced really, especially when it comes to the WG

[ashen perch]

we just saw Hajrudin get lectured by his own crew for not thinking before moving, this guy isnt cutting it like this

crewmate*

[iron oriole]

that's why he'll grow this arc etc & become the guide he needs to be

[ashen perch]

and I like Hajrudin, but its clear that Oda's showing that he has ways to go before he's worthy of being the king

[lunar bison]

I mean thats true.

[iron oriole]

he doesn't need someone older telling him how to be etc

[lunar bison]

But dorry and broggy arent rhe ones he needs lol

[ashen perch]

it wont be so quick lol

[lunar bison]

I agree he needs to grow significantly before becoming King but that growth isnt stimulated by dorry and broggy

[iron oriole]

if we're really giving Haj an old man to follow, i'd be more inclined to say its Saul

[ashen perch]

I mean yea, it wont be them alone

[lunar bison]

He needs to learn haki as a minimum. The fact that he doesnt have it already is pathetic

[distant vine]

VIZ soon

[ashen perch]

I reckon it will be a team effort, Hajrudin does get anointed as the king but they acknowledge his inexperience and Saul, Loki, Dorry/Brogy and Gaban all help him out

Viz soon indeed

also new poll results lol

[distant vine]

Oh God....

Please let Germa die out

[iron oriole]

tbh, for his ultimate goals.. he doesn't really need haki but short term wise yeah....

[urban lodge]

Yonji top 1 soon

[lunar bison]

Wonder what the significance of Imus black wings are. Look exactly like the Lunarian wings

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/izam_BKB/status/2045874694335914277/photo/1

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Nerona IMU fanart

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X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:38 PM

[lunar bison]

We know the lunarians used to live atop the red line. The world nobles of today stole their homeland, their status as gods. And it's heavily implied they stole their title of celsstial dragon

As the lunarians are the actual beings who are the characteristics of dragons.
Flames, scale like biology, wings. Lunar meaning moon and their tie to space and the moon confirmed in the enel coverpage

[dark nymph]

Imu is a Lunarian + horned human who just got lucky with power

[lunar bison]

I think they stole these powers through some means

[lunar bison]

These arent natural powers

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[ashen perch]

yeah

[dark nymph]

Ye some underhanded trickery/deal he made

[lunar bison]

100%

[ashen perch]

there will be a chapter next week
then golden week jump break
then chapter
then Oda break
then 3 chapters again

[lunar bison]

The powers of the abyss. Those sea contracts. 100% tied to Davy D. Jones

[stone terrace]

Id just take 2 breaks in a row

[dark nymph]

Perfectly fine

[ashen perch]

basically

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-little-garden-baroque-works-miss-goldenweek-goldenweek-gif-10027817615963837638

[celest mauve]

all this for some animals
https://fixvx.com/pewpiece/status/2045876283054096895?s=20

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[muted hedge]

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Saint Nerona Imu.

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X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:05 PM

[iron oriole]

another birthday chapter for me

[distant vine]

Oda should hit us with some devious cliffhangers lol

[stone terrace]

That laughing drives me crazy

[lunar bison]

Woukd rather just get some new info reveals than a mediocre cliffhanger

[ashen perch]

Loki might be done by the end of the chapter ngl

[muted hedge]

definitely

[ashen perch]

we'll see though

[dark nymph]

2 chapters at best

[ashen perch]

yeah, could be the cliffhanger for the chapter after as well

[lunar bison]

Loki is literally the most effective person who could fight Imu

[muted hedge]

why are people discounting Luffy so fast, lol

he'll get his food and be ready to go

it's not like he is out of the game

[lunar bison]

He is incredibly inconsistent and gullible

With poor stamina lol

[pulsar timber]

It’s so over

[dark nymph]

I still wanna see Loki show off, would suck if he just gets obliterated next chapter

[lunar bison]

He can show of and still get his ass smoked

[muted hedge]

he'll show off his hybrid form and then get humbled

[dark nymph]

That would be ideal

[small ember]

I loved the end of the chapter this week

[warm sierra]

you think his hybrid form is bigger or just different?

[celest mauve]

luffy has been kind of useless since beating kaido

[lunar bison]

Funny how Imu is literally the true embodiment of zoro and sanjis technique names

[muted hedge]

we saw it go against Harald, so definitely not bigger

[small ember]

Loki hybrid could potentially be another GOAT design

[muted hedge]

i disagree

[celest mauve]

so I don't have any high hopes here in elbaf especially since the opponent is imu

[muted hedge]

it will definitely look cool

[small ember]

Considering how much I like his regular and Zoan

[celest mauve]

he didn't even KO lucci, kizaru fed him, no lasting damage to any of the gorosei

[jade rain]

He is still the guy who is going to outperform everyone in this arc like always

[iron oriole]

he clowned on Lucci

[warm sierra]

sending back the bird dude was still impressive

[celest mauve]

and he was still conscious in the end to turn the seraphim against vegapunk iirc

[lunar bison]

Lol fr. Luffy always has these half finished jobs

[celest mauve]

that was the one lasting thing he did but he still needed help

[muted hedge]

i think it'll look something like the Kaido concept arts if you've seen those

[prisma yacht]

Y'all ready for a stalement

[muted hedge]

specifically the lower left ones

[celest mauve]

stalemate? yeah because imu is almost certainly on a timer

[muted hedge]

stalemate against Luffy, yes

[jade rain]

Gear 5 is the only thing I could see go toe to toe with imu

[final trench]

This one would be tuff

[urban lodge]

3 minutes until Yonji top 1

[muted hedge]

i'm sorry, who is Yonji?

[iron oriole]

Sanji's bro

[muted hedge]

ah, the failed siblings

[urban lodge]

The green one

[final trench]

The green dude

[iron oriole]

4ji

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-yonji-yonji-one-piece-vinsmoke-yonji-vito-gif-26175984

[celest mauve]

they gave this bum one of the best VAs of all time

kenjiro tsuda

[iron oriole]

at least he's now voicing Shamrock

[jade rain]

This poll has been crazy, I can't predict which random character will be top 1 this time

[dense haven]

are we getting results now?

[urban lodge]

In 1 minute

[dense haven]

imu top 5

all regions

[urban lodge]

But remember, it's results from 2 weeks back

Because theyre stupid

[wraith mantle]

uta bots been destroyed LETS GO

also we need to make sure luffy is top 1 in all regions this is unacceptable

[iron oriole]

officials out

[urban lodge]

Sanji bots still in full force though

[ashen perch]

uta is top 5 in 2 regions

[alpine trench]

Insane spread to start out the chapter, love it

Imu’s character design is incredible

I love how Oda has paneled this spread

Imu stands and bends the pages of the story to his will

[ashen perch]

finally reading the chapter?

[alpine trench]

Yep

[ashen perch]

good decision

cause tcb and opscans were quite horrible this week lmao

[urban lodge]

Finally good scans

[alpine trench]

Did this motherfucker cut off Gerd’s fingers

That was quick

[dark nymph]

Yeah no more knitting

[alpine trench]

Stansen??? Casual dismemberment

Good shit, Imu is relentless

Omen????? Black fire…

[distant vine]

Do they...look at Harald favorably?

I think back to Shamrock being asked if he's visiting Harald's grave

[muted hedge]

Harald was more or less a faithful puppet, so probably

the little will Harald had was of little matter in the end

[dense haven]

harold is as dumb as it gets so ofc imu likes him as servant

[alpine trench]

Incredible action paneling

Zoro got dismantled QUICK

No look headshot

[prisma yacht]

So

Is trebol top1

?

[prisma yacht]

Hes so marvelous

[urban lodge]

Nothing new this week

[celest mauve]

fried chicken wings of the pirate king

[alpine trench]

Imu seems to be about as big as Whitebeard

[urban lodge]

Uta is still top 5 in 2 regions

[dense haven]

guys

[prisma yacht]

Uta is still at top

Mehhh

[dense haven]

zoro is the man marked by flames

[distant vine]

His shoulder?

[stone terrace]

Harald did their dirty work for years

[ashen perch]

yeah hes clutching his left shoulder there

[stone terrace]

And idt they knew he betrayed i guess

[ashen perch]

also that is definitely a pool of blood smh

[alpine trench]

Fuck

Both the wings got decimated

[dense haven]

imu had to use his strongest attack on sanji btw

[prisma yacht]

Well it didn't matter what harald did to betray them , in the end the mark still controlled him

[distant vine]

Strongest unnamed attack eh?

[alpine trench]

Oda really making use of the size and power of Imu to show how his attacks are impacting his opponents

[prisma yacht]

I'm guessing that's what imu meant by faithful servant

[celest mauve]

imu in one chapter:

• cut gerd's fingers off to free sommers
• neg-diffed KOH zoro
• one-shot hajrudin
• cut off stansen's leg
• freed gunko from "unthawable" ice
• cooked sanji
• buffed both sommers and killingham

[alpine trench]

Just finished

[alpine trench]

Wow

What was that

[distant vine]

Hope he keeps it up

[alpine trench]

Incredible

[dense haven]

wait until you see whats hes gonna do to usopp

[alpine trench]

I like how Oda framed Imu in the end there with Loki looming over him

[honest garden]

I have opinions on this...

[alpine trench]

He’s the protagonist of his own story

[celest mauve]

he'll need two moves instead of just one move for loki

[alpine trench]

Imu so far has been terrifying on the level that only Doffy, Croc, Big Mom and Kaido have been as incredibly huge physical obstacles

Gives me the feeling of seeing what Kaido did the first time his DF was revealed in Wano

Overwhelming terror

[prisma yacht]

Do you think he's gonna crush loki

Or something like a mid diff

[alpine trench]

Idk but I am expecting the battle to be insane

[prisma yacht]

Hell yeah I'm expecting some crazy clashes and Luffy joining mid fight

[muted hedge]

i think that Loki will be defeated when Luffy interferes

[iron oriole]

i kinda want Imu to let Loki freeze him, then he just melts it & proceeds to show Loki "what true power is"

[muted hedge]

Loki will be laying on the ground, with Imu standing over him

[prisma yacht]

So no tag team

[muted hedge]

then Luffy will come to action

[jade rain]

Imu going to steal ragnir next chapter and freeze loki

[muted hedge]

it's really 50/50 a tag team is possible as well

[small ember]

Ending was nice

[dark nymph]

Tag team makes more sense to me

[wraith mantle]

imu is too pragmatic to be playing games like this

remember this nigga destroyed lulusia because it was close

[small ember]

No shot Gunko is dead

[ashen perch]

The official account is adding that the current hot top 5 rankings are based on the results after invalidating fraudulent votes lol, seems like there was some more botting recently

[prisma yacht]

What

No

[muted hedge]

Gunko is freed probably

[urban lodge]

The Oda formula is clear, Loki will lose before Luffy joins in

[small ember]

Yeah that’s what I think

[prisma yacht]

He used that attack to break the ice

[wraith mantle]

idk, loki has been hyped up way too much for him to be an imu hypetool

[iron oriole]

sure but the best way to crush their spirit is to show the difference in them, so allow them to try and attack you etc

[small ember]

Hoping it’s a good fight regardless

[wraith mantle]

oda needs to set aside hype tooling loki

[ashen perch]

[celest mauve]

"don't ever call me fodder again"

[small ember]

Still think chopping Gerd’s fingers off was wild

[ashen perch]

no he doesnt

[distant vine]

If its the same that means the bots havent been defeated

[small ember]

No I want Loki to be hype

[jade rain]

They do that every time since botting week, even last week I saw it

[wraith mantle]

yes he does

[urban lodge]

Hyping Imu is simply more important

[wraith mantle]

oda has hyped up loki's power way too much

the entire arc

[ashen perch]

Zoro is #1 here, you sure its botted...

[distant vine]

I want them GONE

[small ember]

I agree he shouldn’t be outclassing Imu

[ashen perch]

I dont get the logic? Imu's hype is far greater lol

[golden valley]

Then if Loki loses this 1v1 before Luffy comes, I don’t think hes gonna be down for long at all

[distant vine]

Well not that. He won Japan last time too iirc

[prisma yacht]

I'm pretty sure loki isn't getting one shot

[dark nymph]

Yall think Lokis eyes are relevant to his power?

[ashen perch]

nah he didnt, but he was close

[celest mauve]

yeah he'll get two-shot

[wraith mantle]

imu's hype is greater but loki's hype is not insignificant

[prisma yacht]

Lol

[wraith mantle]

its going to be a mid diff at best

[iron oriole]

honestly the most terrifying thing he did in the chapter, like Imu could have just cut Gerds hands off to free Sommers but he precisely cut her finger tips & so fast that Gerd & the other Giants didn't even realise it straight away

[prisma yacht]

Yeah well my point is it won't be as easy as sanji zoro

[muted hedge]

Loki's hype has already had a lot of payoff

[wraith mantle]

how??

[muted hedge]

well, for one he beat Harald

[ashen perch]

it is insignificant compared to Imu's, him even facing off against Imu will be impressive

[celest mauve]

outdoing both shanks and gaban massively against harald for one

[wraith mantle]

we will see

[stone terrace]

Mangaplus mobile site i challenge you to work

[muted hedge]

then he transformed into Nidhoggr and practically froze all of the sun-realm

[ashen perch]

any attacks he lands, any attacks he is able to survive, that is impressive for him

[small ember]

Yeah going for the fingers is very gross in a good way

Same category as going for the eyes

[muted hedge]

yes, whoever goes against Imu should have creds as they're capable of even standing infront of such a mighty figure

[prisma yacht]

Gerd deserved that

[urban lodge]

Loki will be crying by the end of this from the ass whooping he's about to receive and because Imu will ragebait him with what he did to Rocks and Harald

[wraith mantle]

nah thats flashback hype, oda been laying the ground work for a loki masterclass performance in thepresent

we havent even seen his hybrid form

we wont have loki get lowdiffed in the first time he reveals his hybrid form lol

[prisma yacht]

She was toying with wommers

[small ember]

What are the chances Imu blinds someone

[iron oriole]

wtf Fr0n

[celest mauve]

he might not get low-diffed but he will lose

[prisma yacht]

Hell yeah

[muted hedge]

him piercing Luffy with his tail and therefor making Luffy the one with the eyepatch sounds cool

[prisma yacht]

Hit the gerd herd more

[wraith mantle]

yeah thats what i am saying, it will be a mid diff at best for imu, if not straight up high diff

[muted hedge]

but full on blind i doubt

[ashen perch]

Loki will do more to Imu than anyone in GV, that is going to be enough

[spice cairn]

Petition to kill Oda for hurting Gerd's fingers

[wraith mantle]

relax she will get her fingers back

[spice cairn]

#CutHisFingersInstead

[wraith mantle]

oda cant have stakes in his manga

[small ember]

I could see it being a “Loki gets good hits in but Imu ups it and ends the battle quick”

[dark nymph]

How nice of Imu to not slice them all off

[spice cairn]

The old ones arent coming back

[prisma yacht]

That's what she gets for playing with wommers

[dark nymph]

Merciful

[warm sierra]

Finally Law can do something in Elbaf

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/i-m-villain-gif-8105801559398118233

[muted hedge]

have y'all seen Thor ragnarok

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[iron oriole]

he didn't want to ruin the pretty girl, she can have her finger tips reattached

[muted hedge]

you know what happens in Thor ragnarok

[small ember]

Loki’s gonna hit em with a “you’re a coward just like that long nose said”

[wraith mantle]

he will push imu to use a new power, maybe a new form of his DF or something

[small ember]

Yeah I could totally see that

[prisma yacht]

Elbaf in ruins soon

[warm sierra]

Loki‘s last line was a lot better in VIZ

[muted hedge]

hammer go boom

crack

[prisma yacht]

Oh that

Poor rodent

[urban lodge]

If Oda is good Loki will get offscreened

[muted hedge]

that would be horrible

offscreens in general are a pain

[iron oriole]

dont make me say Gunko's flashback should be offscreened....

[glacial bear]

TRUE!!!

[muted hedge]

i hope that Imu cuts the bandages over Loki's eyes and gives us some lore around them

[celest mauve]

what a design

[lofty fern]

Thank you viz, you remembered!

[muted hedge]

arguably the best design Oda has ever made

[dark nymph]

I think that will end up buffing Loki

[muted hedge]

probably, though to no avail

[prisma yacht]

Hm?

[iron oriole]

the Old English? best part of Viz Imu

[urban lodge]

Listen, Loki getting humiliated is very important to hype up Imu, and there's nothing more humiliating than getting offscreened

[lofty fern]

The final villain must look awesome

[iron oriole]

no its not, being onscreened is more humiliating because then you cant make up lies about what happened

[lofty fern]

TCB gets lazy with the old English

[warm sierra]

They also remembered hes called Sommers and not Summers

[dapper tree]

TCB stinks

[wraith mantle]

imu about to get humbled by nidhogger

[ashen perch]

he didnt use Mu atleast, so I guess Imu isnt talking in 3rd person anymore

[ashen perch]

this would be bad

[tough dust]

TCB did this part better

[prisma yacht]

They had sommers as summers

[warm sierra]

disagree

[iron oriole]

its not Mu anymore imo

[lofty fern]

Viz never uses Mu, only very rarely

[prisma yacht]

Sloppy work

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-loki-one-piece-elbaph-gif-14272718888116261945

[ashen perch]

is that so? I was thinking it meant what Kierran is saying

that this isnt his Mu form

[muted hedge]

Oda nailed it

[warm sierra]

The WG literally knew he was in Elbaf that line makes no sense lol

[lunar bison]

Lol no

[lofty fern]

Well, at least this part Loki is speaking the truth. Before he was actually kind of lying

[muted hedge]

i couldn't agree more, it adds so much

[wraith mantle]

this is loki's time to avenge both harald and rocks

[urban lodge]

No it's not

[wraith mantle]

i am expecting a massive moment next chapter

yes it is

[urban lodge]

He's not the one who's going to avenge anyone

[lofty fern]

Go back and look at viz's chapters, they almost always say I rather than Mu. Also, he doesn't always speak in the third person, it varies.

[glacial bear]

Nidhogg & Nika are special.

[wraith mantle]

he should be

[urban lodge]

He is NOT him

[lunar bison]

Where's shanks and dragon.

[jade rain]

Too bad loki ain't that strong

[ashen perch]

gotcha

[wraith mantle]

bb dont even care about his dad

and hajrudin aint doing shit

[dark nymph]

Lokis gonna have the best looking low-diff in the series

[muted hedge]

Loki will end up suffering a similair fate probably, though not dying like Xebec and Harald did

[lunar bison]

Shanks rat born ass should be here helping luffy against Imu. Not stalling the reunion

[muted hedge]

he definitely does, his ship is named after his father

[tough dust]

u not going to build up this encounter and setup with the flashback just for loki to be demolished

he will do good for sure

[lofty fern]

He doesn't really know about rocks right now. And he only knows a little bit about Harold. Also. Unfortunately he's going to lose here

[iron oriole]

it really emphasises how old Imu really is, they speak in this archaic way unlike any other

[lunar bison]

Yeah but its not the kind of love you think

[prisma yacht]

Satisfying clashes fs

[lunar bison]

Bb wont throw a fit over xebec. He killed whitebeard who was an actual father figure in his life out of greed

[distant vine]

https://youtu.be/nbrqdJyL7Bo?si=OUQ-BozYwTmfhu8O

[lofty fern]

He also didn't bring an Imu here and barely let him do anything just for Loki to stomp all over him

[muted hedge]

it also makes them stand out even more

[distant vine]

1. Cute Nami shot
2. Block Kingdom was a W intro, outside the art errors

[wraith mantle]

on god bro

[celest mauve]

imu's efficiency is such a breath of fresh air compared to the fucking bums the rest of the WG seem to be

[muted hedge]

i doubt that he ever saw Whitebeard as his father, that was a ploy

[wraith mantle]

and loki aint some random giant like hajrudin, loki actually has an ancient df nidhogger, and a very strong squirrel

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-lebron-lebron-james-true-nba-gif-2358803548784100453

[lunar bison]

I mean he has no reason to love xebec more than whitebeard when whitebeard actually did fatherly things for twach.

He just doesnt care about amyone

[urban lodge]

While yes, Ragnir is stronger than Rocks, Imu is worth like 50 Rockses anyway

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard is probably doing the things he does, because of Xebec's legacy

[dense rapids]

Loki will do as good as Law did against Doffy then Luffy will come save him

[lunar bison]

Ragnir stronger than rocks lmao

[iron oriole]

you got it wrong, Ragnir the Squirrel has a very strong ancient Giant who also ate a fruit that Ragnir chose for his pet

[urban lodge]

Argue with Harald, not me

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

[lunar bison]

Lol

[urban lodge]

He's Rocks' equal and thought he was only strong enough to beat the squirrel after the Imu buff

[lunar bison]

Rocks equal. Lmao

[muted hedge]

why does everything devolve into a strength contest

[wraith mantle]

That’s actually true

[distant vine]

Battle manga

[lunar bison]

Bro significantly misinterpreted their strength dynamoc

[wraith mantle]

its ok, they dont know how to account for the mental nerfs both rocks and harald were experiencing

[distant vine]

Saying Loki is worth that many Rocks' is an exxageration tho

[iron oriole]

theres actually only one person who can beat Ragnir & its not Loki (he felt sorry for breaking his hammer, so adopted him)

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-opening-25-op-25-one-piece-op-25-one-piece-opening-25-gif-11859737185344272629

[urban lodge]

Loki is like 2 Rocks

[muted hedge]

i just want an explanation for Loki's unique eyes

[urban lodge]

I said Imu is worth 50

[lunar bison]

Lol

[final trench]

This aint crazy

Ragnir aint been claimed for centuries

He like that

[celest mauve]

this chapter also confirms hajrudin truly is a bum compared to his brother, neg-diffed in one attack while loki gets some proper hype at the end

[urban lodge]

Yeah the squirrel is him

Respect him

[iron oriole]

facts

[lofty fern]

I actually think that this is not going to be about revenge for him. For him revenge would be too petty. He is here for power and glory and riches. He's here for himself not for his family

[tough dust]

i mean its imu lol

[lofty fern]

I mean they're both going to lose so is it was really that big of a deal? It's like fighting between Sanji and Zoro who lost worse

[ashen perch]

Loki is worth 1.3 Rocks, and Imu is worth 25 right now, 50 in Marie Geoise, 100 when he takes back his strength from the HKs and Gorosei

[tough dust]

the whole island is getting washed if u not named loki or luffy lol

[urban lodge]

True

[tough dust]

and even they are questionable against imu

[celest mauve]

that's not the point, hajrudin genuinely feels like a disgrace to harald's legacy while loki doesn't

[scarlet nacelle]

in doriki?

[ashen perch]

no its Rocks-riki

[wraith mantle]

imu couldnt even kill rocks when he broke into his goon cave

lets relax

[celest mauve]

it's not the same when there's a massive gap in portrayal between loki and hajrudin, zoro and sanji are much closer in comparison

[wraith mantle]

imu is maybe 2 rocks in his prime condition

[urban lodge]

Enlighten me. You think Rocks was holding back fighting him or something?

[final trench]

Oh no

Halo are you a fed

Tryna ruin my operation

[distant vine]

That would be a funny bit

[ashen perch]

didnt

not couldnt

[distant vine]

Masquerade as a fan of a character to incite debate

[final trench]

Wouldnt be the first time

[pulsar timber]

Is loki stronger than rocks

[urban lodge]

Yes

[ashen perch]

definitely

[final trench]

Any time a nigga says “imma xyz fan but i think” = super fed dont believe them

[dense haven]

is anyone not stronger than rocks atp

[lofty fern]

I think we now know that's because he didn't find him a threat or even care about him. He didn't even know he was a Davy yet. He doesn't seem to expend energy if he doesn't need to. But he very much could have completely destroyed rocks if you wanted to.

[pulsar timber]

Other way around broski rocks broke in and realized he couldn’t do anything

[urban lodge]

"He did nothing more, as he knew he could not"

He was not him

[final trench]

🧢

[wraith mantle]

thats true but imu letting rocks leave unscathed is a major sign that imu couldn't low diff rocks

[pulsar timber]

I think imu just didn’t care.

[final trench]

Bro kidnapped some retched kings, killed a admiral, and sat in the flower room with his pistol out

He was indeed him

[pulsar timber]

He half assed searched for Sabo

[tough dust]

thats not true whatsoever lol

thats not how it works

[pulsar timber]

Imu too busy playing with butterflies

[muted hedge]

yeah it was pretty definitive

[wraith mantle]

imu's existence is supposed to be a secret

so someone breaking into the flower room, dropping davy's name shouldn't leave the room alive

[urban lodge]

The gorosei care about that way more than Imu

[glacial bear]

Yeah Imu fumbled

Why did he not kill Rocks in that moment

Is he stupid?

[muted hedge]

it ultimately lead them to the rest of the Davy clan so...

[lofty fern]

I mean they're not supposed to be similar in strength. Hajrudin's strength is not in his body but in his heart. Loki might be stronger but Hajrudin is much more fit to rule

[pulsar timber]

Sabo wasn’t supposed to leave alive and he did

And the goresei were hardly bothered by him knowing and being ouit there

[glacial bear]

Garling did that

[final trench]

He got dementia

[iron oriole]

Rocks is an insignificant ant to the likes of Mu

[muted hedge]

he wouldn't have been able to if Xebec died

[glacial bear]

No if Garling never found God Valley & ordered the capture of Shakky as the Prize. None of those events that led to Rocks downfall would’ve happened

[distant vine]

"And then I one shot Zoro, and I slash Gerd's fingers off too! And Jinbe doesnt even try to fight me!"

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure he could have. He basically did later. In fact he made a puppet out of him

[tough dust]

character wise i will actually say hajrudin is more similar to his pops than loki is
he has a dream to unite all the giant which is something harald will probably do

loki got the strength part of harald thats for sure

[muted hedge]

so Xebec not getting killed instantly did lead them to the Davy clan, i'm glad you agree

[glacial bear]

As if that was planned out. Yes I’m sure Imu knew about the Davy clan being on God Valley before Garling

[lofty fern]

Question is more so why should he? He doesn't just kill everyone he meets. He could have killed anybody that he fought here today, but he didn't. He's efficient

[glacial bear]

The moment anyone sees Imu in person outside of the chosen 13. It’s an immediate ground for death

[dapper tree]

Imu doesn't really care that much tho

[glacial bear]

Otherwise why kill Cobra? Or Sabo? Heck, Wapol should’ve been fine in that case

[final trench]

Jinbei a traitor bro

[wraith mantle]

didnt wapol make enough of a ruckus to allow sabo to escape?

[lunar bison]

Yeah he was. Very blatantly

[urban lodge]

Lol

[glacial bear]

Rocks committed one of the biggest taboos and I’m hearing Imu should not care

[lunar bison]

Lol what

[lofty fern]

That's pretty untrue. They found the Davy clan without even knowing that rocks was part of it. They didn't know that till later

[distant vine]

Its just a scary situation for him rn

[muted hedge]

well the mini-magazine suggests otherwise

[lunar bison]

Imu thinks about rocks more than roger and all these other scrubs for a reason

[wraith mantle]

apparently yeah?

[lunar bison]

You think imu couldn't sense haki.

[lofty fern]

They probably didn't read either

[glacial bear]

LMAO

[distant vine]

Does Imu think about Rocks?

[glacial bear]

crazy. That tells me everything lol

[muted hedge]

could be a translation thing too, i guess

[lunar bison]

Yes lol

Very much so.

[wraith mantle]

imu didnt think "ok i will let rocks escape so he can lead me to the davy's colony" in that very moment

[glacial bear]

He did a chapter ago before he descended down to Elbaph

[lofty fern]

You could tell he was completely unbothered. He was looking and tending to his butterflyer the whole time

[final trench]

NOOOOOOO

Hes a fuckin traitor

[urban lodge]

Same chapter he thought about Roger

[glacial bear]

He’s so weird for that

[final trench]

As soon as kanjuro got exposed as a traitor whos lard ass came back to the strawhats

JINNNBEI

[lunar bison]

Thats just imus personality.

[muted hedge]

we don't know what he thought

[wraith mantle]

rocks was the first event in the domino that will lead to imu's dethroning

[urban lodge]

He doesn't think about Rocks because of who he is but because of what he represents, who he's actually thinking about is Davy Jones

[lofty fern]

We actually know that they didn't know Rocks is a debut member until halfway through God valley. That's why Imu calls him rocks to start and then later starts calling him davy

[lunar bison]

Impel downs ties to Imu become stronger by the chapter

[wraith mantle]

its a bit of a stretch to claim thats why he let him go with zero supporting evidence.

garling found the colony by pure coincidence

[lunar bison]

The devil theme of the guards is tied to imu.

[keen quiver]

Id say imu failing to snuffout davy and joyboy is a bigger domino tbh

He's still haunted by both

[muted hedge]

a lot of things said here are a stretch to claim

[lofty fern]

I would say it was Lily and joyboy

[distant vine]

Imu wanted to aura farm and be nonchalant

Also Rocks ran away

[lunar bison]

He learnt they were davy likely through that womsn shanks mother opening her big mouth

[wraith mantle]

but yours is a bigger stretch

[wraith mantle]

pillow talk went crazy

[lunar bison]

Shsnks mother exposed the davy clans secret when she was in love with garling

[wraith mantle]

she ratted the entire town

[muted hedge]

what's the max length Luffy can stretch his limbs?

[glacial bear]

Yeah. There was nothing Rocks could do, whereas Imu COULD HAVE DONE something

[wraith mantle]

6 miles maybe

[muted hedge]

damn

[knotty root]

72 gomus gomus

[lunar bison]

Lol neither could do anything

[glacial bear]

see, this is why I don’t see Imu as a final villain cuz what the hell lmao

💀

[lofty fern]

Not everybody is trigger happy

[lunar bison]

And rocks could've caused substantial damage in the chamber of flowers

[iron oriole]

probably no limit in G5, there was a limit before though, he was trying to rip his arms apart to get free from inside Mont D'or's book

[jade rain]

Imu literally neg diffed rocks lol, yea he couldn't have done something

[wraith mantle]

he also had his homegirl gunkoo with him

couldnt do shit 😭

[glacial bear]

Oh really? Look at what he did to Lulusia 😭

[lunar bison]

Neg diffed. He just used that hax shit to transform him

[iron oriole]

they had to test it somewhere, Lulusia was just efficient

[keen quiver]

I'm just confused how he knew they would come back to bite him in the ass for 800 years

[muted hedge]

right, right
now i want to see Luffy stretch his arm across the entire globe as an attack

[lofty fern]

BB would have just gone in half cocked and tried something and then gotten himself in trouble again that one of his crew would have to get him out of trouble again. One of them is just smarter than the other. Not everything needs a response

[wraith mantle]

thats lowkey true yeah but i was talking about dominos in the recent era

[urban lodge]

@final trench Yeah this guy is actually sabotaging your operation

[glacial bear]

Imu gave Rocks ENOUGH time to have a son. THAT is a fumble because now Blackbeard & Luffy will be a pain in his ass

Imu is so DUMB

[jade rain]

Which is his power, it's the same as using his devil fruit powers

[lofty fern]

That was a test not in response to anything

[wraith mantle]

imu was nonchalant farming and risked it all 😭

[knotty root]

dumbmu

[keen quiver]

Words right out his mouth

[glacial bear]

Wallahi Imu 😭

[lofty fern]

Maybe you need to reread and stop being so reactionary.

[prisma yacht]

Lmao this is so good

[lofty fern]

And I will still laugh. I have never liked him and I never will

[muted hedge]

most boring fucking poll in existance

[sly rain]

pika

[muted hedge]

i'd prefer the one where Lucci was top 3

[keen quiver]

You hating teach is the most bizzare thing ive ever encountered

[prisma yacht]

Missing a major part of the series

[keen quiver]

But you do you

[prisma yacht]

Sry for u irene

[sly rain]

[sly rain]

pika pika no mi

[grand flower]

Blackbeard, the guy who waited 20 years before striking off on his own and the guy who waited until the Marines had weakened Whitebeard for him, wouldn't have gone in half cocked for Imu

[final trench]

BRO BAN THIS NIGGA

BAN HIM NOW

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[keen quiver]

I remember these pages dropping and it annoyed some people

[wraith mantle]

yeah ngl after all this, i hope bb is the final villain

[glacial bear]

Nah I’ll do my own thing, thanks.

[glacial bear]

YEAH YOU SEE IT

[royal orchid]

we NEED a popularity poll without the straw hats to see what else these SH voters choose instead

[grand flower]

@wraith mantle smokes, let's go

[keen quiver]

Whenever teach does what he has to do and people say it was bad for the story to their grave

[knotty root]

Personally I really liked it. It really adds to the build up towards the reveal

[fringe escarp]

you cant say nigga

[iron oriole]

final villain discussion is so boring... who cares? idc if Luffy fights BB at the end or Imu, i love OP & will be happy with either

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/jada-monique-vodit51321-jda-gang-stripped-rylo-rodriguez-gif-25589937

[muted hedge]

yeah, Luffy is the final villain either way

[final trench]

You must be new here lil guy

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-gif-26409974

[royal orchid]

imu 100% with a 1000% sees Davy Jones in BB

[keen quiver]

I just enjoy teach more as a character frankly, but whenever you say that you get told you're illiterate

[glacial bear]

I bet they think Imu will be the final villain and yet they have the gull to tell me to reread the story

[fringe escarp]

im not new here and i can prove it

only a handful

[distant vine]

Counterpoint, its interesting to discuss what aspect of OP will be prioritized for spotlight. The pirate story or the world government story

[urban lodge]

Surely one day people will stop treating this like sports

[grand flower]

ask em how many WG nations left the WG after luffy helped them

[golden valley]

Im satisfied with either bb or imu, I want bb more though.

[iron oriole]

totally fine, i also like BB more as a character rn, we just honestly haven't seen that much of Imu

[wraith mantle]

fuck is this

[keen quiver]

If only there was another character who was introduced as unbeatable and was shown to be deadly sick...and teach stole their fruit later on.

[urban lodge]

Chopper died

So sad

[tidal ice]

chopper memorial

[keen quiver]

Wtf

😭

[glacial bear]

WG are losing numbers & while they’re focused on Luffy. BB & his crew are going successfully completing their missions

[jade rain]

This bb and imu final villain thing is just another type of powerscaling

[prisma yacht]

They killing chopper in la smh

[knotty root]

https://tenor.com/view/aaa-cowboy-aaa-cowboy-music-video-gif-15142935

[glacial bear]

[lunar bison]

Just like they did with rocks

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-gen-v-no-homelander-no-gif-5144619848989128837

[muted hedge]

Zoro vs Sanji, Shanks vs Mihawk and Akainu vs Whitebeard all over again

[final trench]

Its better this way

[grand flower]

it's not even about sports. People will speak like there's no difference, but it's genuinely a different story depending on who's the final villain. Imu would make it a story about freedom vs oppression. But Teach would make it a story about what freedom looks like when it's healthy vs what it looks like to have too much freedom

[keen quiver]

That's cool, I just like that you're being reasonable about it tbh.

[grand flower]

Some people just find the latter more interesting

[urban lodge]

That's fair

But it's possible to like one without mindlessly hating the other

[grand flower]

I'd also be bummed if we went from Teach, a villain we have more substance with, to Imu, a villain we really haven't spent as much time and story with

[lunar bison]

Where's our main man Cavendish been forever since we saw him

[muted hedge]

who cares about Cavendish

[scenic dirge]

#TeachGang #Fat

[glacial bear]

Imu is cool. But Blackbeard is just so much better

[trim lily]

i think it’s fine to conclude each of their stories separately

[lunar bison]

I do you clown

[wraith mantle]

i feel like imu will be taken down by dragon

[muted hedge]

i am sorry for you

[scenic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-anime-black-hands-gif-6048848

[wraith mantle]

thats more of a dragon job than a luffy job

[final trench]

Top1 top1 top1

[trim lily]

blackbeard and imu represent two very things (both in story and to luffy) and should have two different finales

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-one-piece-hachinosu-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-16343106473490930447

[final trench]

Yea imu design is cool it aint bad

[grand flower]

Absolutely, but I wanna finish off with the villain with more meat. I don't wanna feast then end off with a regular meal

[final trench]

But ik what happens now

[lunar bison]

Im sorry for this bandwagon loser who changes his pfp to a new character 1 chapter after their design reveal.

[trim lily]

yeah that’s fair

[fringe escarp]

ts is so ass

😭

[final trench]

Hollon this peak

[keen quiver]

I don't think this is gonna happen but its funny af

[jade rain]

Strongest character in the verse taken down by a side character, when has that ever happened

[trim lily]

i prefer blackbeard too but i could see why someone would feel let down by what comes next if he goes down like 50 chapters before the finale

[grand flower]

Genuinely. Through the story, between Dragon and Luffy, only one has been severing countries from the oppression of the WG. And it hasn't been luffy

[muted hedge]

so what do you like about Cavendish?

[glacial bear]

Like everyone’s focused on toppling down Imu’s regime. The Revs & The Yonko, and the Navy will possibly split apart from the WG after seeing Imu in person.

Imu ain’t gonna last forever whereas Blackbeard is benefiting from the lack of eyes on him. Just like Marineford

[prisma yacht]

He's cool

[muted hedge]

i like his horse more than him

[keen quiver]

I'm more leaning on a three-way fight at this point. The davy jones thing for teach is really random from oda. If he's planning to get him out of the story before imu

[pulsar timber]

It’s a Luffy job

[prisma yacht]

@lunar bison we get back to him just before the final arc ig

[muted hedge]

such a majestic steed

[lunar bison]

Many things. Charisma, sword play and skill, funny, morals

[iron oriole]

yeah its understandable that someone would be pissed about BB's story ending prior to Imus when we've had so much build up etc with BB compared to Imu which hasn't had much until recently

[grand flower]

what i really see happening is teach and imu falling during the same conflict since the final war is likely to just be a battle royale of rag tag alliances anyway

[trim lily]

yeah the davy jones stuff unfortunately locks in his connection to imu

[urban lodge]

Honestly I don't even care if BB is last, I just hate the idea that he takes Imu's powers, that's so boring and unnecessary. Fighting the same powers twice in a row is so uninteresting.

[leaden rivet]

Their stories are so intertwined that they don’t need to be that separate

[final trench]

Awakened stronger

[leaden rivet]

He’s taking Imu’s powers Penny

[muted hedge]

what about Hakuba

[leaden rivet]

It’s better you accept it early

[urban lodge]

Why is that necessary

[glacial bear]

JESUS WITH AN OMEN HOLY

[lunar bison]

Thats part of the appeal of Cavendish

[iron oriole]

BB is having the Kraken Zoan, fuck this stealing Imu's powers shit

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/burgess-riki-riki-no-mi-jesus-burgess-one-piece-gif-12114792843325494314

[grand flower]

I mention this a lot, but people don't think enough about how Teach and Luffy are developed with the same arc, while Dragon and Imu are both developed by proxy of their organizations that stand directly against each other

[keen quiver]

If be was planning to dumpster teach, an arc from now going down as a rocks fanboy alone would be enough. But he made him his son and inheritor of a 800 year old will like luffy.

[muted hedge]

fair, i like Hakuba

[keen quiver]

Like that doesnt make any sense

[lunar bison]

Kicking sanji with the black flames

[leaden rivet]

It just fits. The guy who’s entire ability is taking other people’s abilities, who’s purpose is to TAKE back the throne that was stolen from them is also going to take the ultimate devil fruit penny

[keen quiver]

If you're getting rid of him

[prisma yacht]

Lifting adam tree 🦉👏🐐🫪

[fringe escarp]

yah being realy idk why BB fans want blackbeard to be temu imu

[jade rain]

Cause only then could he be seen as a threat

[keen quiver]

I dont think it would be the same usage tbh

[leaden rivet]

Did taking whitebeards powers turn him into temu Whitebeard?

[glacial bear]

Stronger with an Omen

[final trench]

If the water weakness gets lifted yea

[alpine trench]

Kind of

[muted hedge]

a bit

[final trench]

If not i rather bb rock out with 2

[iron oriole]

i agree but at the same time, idt Dragon can do it without Luffy too

[leaden rivet]

How?

[fringe escarp]

dont ask questions you arent prepared to hear the answers to

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/doc-q-opbr-bounty-rush-one-piece-stronger-gif-1801523668666100469

[leaden rivet]

Be so fr guys

[final trench]

The death god

Doc W

[knotty root]

Well his name is blackbeard not whitebeard that's one thing

[muted hedge]

there's no difference to how he uses the powers compared to Whitebeard

[grand flower]

Obviously he wouldn't be Temu Imu and would have something new to bring to the power if Oda does that. This argument doesn't really make sense because why would you assume Oda wouldn't do enough to make Teach's usage distinct

[urban lodge]

He honestly uses that way more than the Yami so kinda

[jade rain]

Imagine if bb came solo to elbaf instead of imu. Would there be any tension

[lunar bison]

Whitebeard isnt just the fruit. Overwhelming physical strength, conquerors haki and battle iq. Which bb doesnt have

[muted hedge]

it would be cooler if he had a unique way of using the quake powers

[grand flower]

Yet

[alpine trench]

I don’t care about the power in Blackbeard’s hands because he’s not done anything demonstrably interesting than what Whitebeard did

[keen quiver]

The current number 1 pirate in the ocean sees him as threat for 20+ years ???

Do people forget this ?

[grand flower]

💀

[leaden rivet]

Well yeah I mean it’s a quake fruit so he’s going to use it to make quakes

[lunar bison]

Lol what. Shanks isnt the no.1 pirate

[keen quiver]

Or just ignore it when its inconvenient

Lmao

[fringe escarp]

if anything whitebeard has been way more interesting

[final trench]

Man WHAT

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know what you want from him

[final trench]

Holy frd

[lunar bison]

Luffy surpassed this mf as a pirate already

[muted hedge]

what will he do that makes it more unique?

[lunar bison]

Whats the problem

[keen quiver]

Shanks sees him as threat, but he's just faking it guys

[jade rain]

Same guy who was defeated by 1 hp WB and got his ass kicked by bepo

[lunar bison]

Everything i said was facts buddy

[fringe escarp]

all with the bb pfp too? cook

[leaden rivet]

Also this was sick

First gura named attack btw

[final trench]

Blackbeard dont have battle iq?

[alpine trench]

Yeah I get that, he’s doing the bogstandard attacks that Whitebeard has already demonstrated and I don’t really care about the power in his hands

[final trench]

You’re a fucking psyop bro

[keen quiver]

Sorry buddy but none of that changes the fact shanks sees him as a threat

[lunar bison]

Yeah he dont. Low ass battle iq

[final trench]

Yeaa mods

🐍

[grand flower]

i bet this is gonna be the true danger of Blackbeard using the Quake fruit

[fringe escarp]

nah this is true BB battle iq is ass

[leaden rivet]

god forbid our villain doesn’t no diff everyone and actually struggles

[alpine trench]

I’m only interested in Blackbeard’s use of the Darkness fruit

[fringe escarp]

nigga if imu struggled against bepo you would not be saying this shit

[grand flower]

Imu causes the world flooding as an after effect of the ancient weapons

[lunar bison]

The darkness fruit has so much potential but bb uses it like a chump

[keen quiver]

God forbid the villain also grows in strength and isn't an 800 year old man haunted by the shadows of his enemies who have reincarnated

[muted hedge]

we've barely seen him use it at all

[leaden rivet]

Imu failed to kill Sabo in a 6v1 he isn’t doin too hot either

[prisma yacht]

Bcs that's not how imu is shown as

[muted hedge]

since whenever he does use it, Oda just offscreens it

[grand flower]

teach can potentially just do that shit himself

[fringe escarp]

grows? nigga may i see the growth

[grand flower]

hm ki wonder why that is

[lunar bison]

Weve seen the mf use it in every fight he has been in tf are we talking about

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard feels as strong as he was pre ts LMAO

[alpine trench]

Well

Not really

[iron oriole]

i think thats heavily influenced by only being able to do so much with the Quake fruit really & like, theres only so many times you can see a tsunami etc from the power & think "holy shit"

[keen quiver]

Do you really want to do this ?
Teach a nameless pirate who went from a no name man ? To yonko ?

[lunar bison]

No new moves with the darkness logia lol

[keen quiver]

Do you really want to try that

[lunar bison]

Dudes a bum

[muted hedge]

we've not, for example with Law we didn't see shit of it

[pulsar timber]

How was the chapter harsh

[lunar bison]

Same old bullshit

[knotty root]

Wait until you see blackbeard goes Gura-Gura no Gatling

[alpine trench]

But he’s not done anything interesting in terms of overwhelming power imo

[final trench]

Elaborate on the potential

[fringe escarp]

yeah and its still slower than luffy

[alpine trench]

I loved it Caleb

[fringe escarp]

and buggy LMAO

[lunar bison]

Look at the way the other guys use their logias

[keen quiver]

He turned into a yonko before luffy

[leaden rivet]

Luffy is faster than everyone who cares

[fringe escarp]

luffy wasnt active for 2 years

[glacial bear]

Darkness is like no other logia

[keen quiver]

😭

[muted hedge]

Blackbeard's logia isn't even a logia at this point

it's something else

[final trench]

Facts

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard not one shotting everyone is a part of makes him so interesting, he’s not rocks that can bulldoze any opponent

[final trench]

Literally the whole point

[fringe escarp]

luffy became a yonko in around a year of active piracy

[muted hedge]

probably another mythical zoan

[iron oriole]

Luffy's the fastest growing pirate

[fringe escarp]

BB in 3

[lunar bison]

Only from the intangibility element

[keen quiver]

"Luffy wasnt active for 2 years."
So you're saying he turned into a yonko first

[leaden rivet]

Which is already dumb asf

[fringe escarp]

this is true

[grand flower]

This conversation is kinda hilarious because Teach's arc all pre-timeskip was people overlooking him except for Shanks because Shanks was the only one who's truly seen what Teach is actually capable of

[keen quiver]

Thank you for confirming that

[pulsar timber]

My favorite page was the one where he kicked Sanji. Really felt powerful

[fringe escarp]

nah your argument is growth speed not timeline

[grand flower]

Now fans' response to Oda hiding what Teach is actually capable of is "he's a bum"

instead of "oh Oda is hiding how dangerous teach is again"

[fringe escarp]

otherwise i can argue shanks grew faster since he was yonko first

[leaden rivet]

Mine was this one where he looks like Sommer’s dad

[grand flower]

fell for it again awards

[fringe escarp]

dogshit argument

[lunar bison]

Shsnks who was not a top tier back then saying bb is dangerous doesnt mean much lol

[keen quiver]

The moment teach does anything major in the story they'll cry he has plot armor

[urban lodge]

Also about this I don't know if we're supposed to just accept that as factual, I feel like the DAVY clan would be a bit biased about their history

[grand flower]

Shanks was doing it as an emperor

[fringe escarp]

"if" "when" "eventually" "potentially"

[final trench]

I was gonna wait tell next arc but fuck that

[keen quiver]

Shanks a whole emperor scared of teach with no crew

[lunar bison]

Yeah but thay outlook was shaped by how he was then.

[alpine trench]

Shanks was an emperor when he declared Teach to be dangerous

[final trench]

I gave 15 bands to oda, blackbeard coming to elbaf

[grand flower]

Shanks knows about Blackbeard and Imu, and guess who Shanks is going around warning people to take seriously

[alpine trench]

And he was right

[lunar bison]

No but the perception of him was established long before he became one

[muted hedge]

does Shanks really know about Imu though

[grand flower]

Shanks knows about Blackbeard and Imu, and guess which one he's obsessed with keeping tabs on

hmmmm

[fringe escarp]

people?

oh you mean just whitebeard

[leaden rivet]

Oda’s self insert chasing Teach throughout the world and fans still have no sense to take him seriously

[keen quiver]

Shanks "please take this guy seriously"
Op readers : "he's a bum"

[alpine trench]

Teach is pretty fucking dangerous and it was proven lol

[iron oriole]

he knows of a "Great One" at least

[leaden rivet]

It’s possible

[muted hedge]

yeah, that's not much

[grand flower]

good take my guy

"Shanks ONLY warned the world's strongest and most influential pirate that they had to do something about Teach"

[glacial bear]

They’re coping

[keen quiver]

Shanks the same guy who handled loki who who just saw is crazy powerful. Is still saying teach is a threat

[final trench]

Also told whitebeard he would take his spot with his will alone

And look what happened

[leaden rivet]

Imu, Whitebeard and Shanks the heaviest of hitters in one piece take Blackbeard very seriously what could this mean chat

[fringe escarp]

he didnt tell him to do smth about teach LMAO

[alpine trench]

My problem with Teach is the fact that his powers are not shown to be used or implemented in a way I find interesting as an application

[fringe escarp]

he literally told him "please dont let your commander go after BB he is weaker"

[keen quiver]

He suffers a bit from being like dragon in that oda doesnt want to play his hand to early

[iron oriole]

"Ace'll get cooked bro"

[alpine trench]

That makes me not care much about how much of a threat he can be

[final trench]

Shanks told whitebeard blackbeard would take his spot

[grand flower]

That's because Teach's entire premise is how dangerous he truly is being hidden until it's too late

[glacial bear]

The most crazy part is we don’t know how BB wins his fight, it’s OFFSCREEN for a reason

[alpine trench]

It’s been a while

[final trench]

Rest

[alpine trench]

Oda has shown his battles

It’s time we got a glimpse of the actual powers at play

[grand flower]

I think your takeaway from that being "Teach isn't interesting" instead of "Oda is cooking something crazy with Teach" is misguided

[final trench]

Im neva worried tho

[fringe escarp]

you want me to be honest with you

this is the mihawk mindset

[muted hedge]

i want to explore more of Buggy

[alpine trench]

I am not saying Teach is not interesting though

[grand flower]

This just makes me wonder what insanity Teach is capable of when it's time to stop hiding his true potentia;

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard is interesting

[keen quiver]

I think harsh is saying oda needs to pay off teach being a threat more

Which is understandable

[knotty root]

Pre tremor blackbesrd > loki confirmed

[grand flower]

Yeah it is because it's recognizing when an author is doing set up and waiting for the pay off cause you know this author drops bangers

[fringe escarp]

but im not gonig to pretend like blackbeard has been handled well

[alpine trench]

I don’t think I think of him as much a threat than what he is supposed to be

[iron oriole]

BB is playing chess while others are playing snakes & ladders

[alpine trench]

He’s just there in the background doing shit that Oda deems is big

[fringe escarp]

nah he's def playing pinball

[alpine trench]

And he does get panel time

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard had a back to back slam of just extremely lame events and updates

[alpine trench]

Dragon is understandable, he doesn’t get a lot of panel time but Oda makes sure to bridge that with the promise of “here’s what he did beforehand”

[grand flower]

I just think the conclusion of not caring about the threat he can be is pretty much missing out on what the actual appeal is

[keen quiver]

I feel this is gonna lead into stuff you want from him

[grand flower]

What makes Teach so dangerous remains a mystery because we haven't seen his best plays on screen

[alpine trench]

Then Teach is not that appealing to me as a threat

[glacial bear]

Crazy how no DF BB could’ve been 2nd Division commander of the WB Pirates.

NO DF BB‼️

[alpine trench]

I’m gonna be straight

[grand flower]

Oda keeps hiding them from us and that makes him appealing as a threat

[fringe escarp]

what made teach dangerous is what we saw him capable of in pre ts

a lot of this shit is hinging on his capabilities in pre ts

[grand flower]

Teach is basically like the horror movie monster you only get glimspes of before the climax

[fringe escarp]

with little resources

pre ts blackbeard was actually handled perfectly

he has none of the issues post ts blackbeard has

[alpine trench]

It was shown with Law where he made stupid moves with Law instead of being clinical but we did see him being a threat, until it was cut off and off screened

[grand flower]

This isn't really correct

Not the way you're framing it

It's true in the sense of, Pre-ts hammered in to us that we don't really know what Teach is capable of

That makes him even more dangerous now because he's grown in ways we don't know about

[alpine trench]

I don’t see Teach as anything more than a promise of threat with no threat in action, simply not interesting to me if this dude is supposed to be that bad of a threat to the end

[grand flower]

he's a guy who we already didn't know what he was truly capable of, and it resulted in Marineford

Teach manipulated WB and the Government into making Marineford happen just so he could steal WB's power

So what's he capable of now after two years of having these new powers?

[glacial bear]

There’s something more dangerous about Teach than just devil fruits. The way he scarred Shanks, the rumors of him never being able to sleep, & Marco’s comment about Teach having a weird body just seems intriguing to me

[grand flower]

We truly don't know, and that's what makes Teach appealing

He's a time bomb and we have no idea how big the blast is gonna be

[fringe escarp]

it straight up is

blackbeard in pre ts had a plan that involved literally every single thing he did on screen in the story and even before the pay off we KNOW its going to be something insane.

I cannot in good faith say the same thing about blackbeard in post

post ts blackbeard does not feel focused

oda feels like he's just kind of throwing different things for BB to do with zero correlation

[grand flower]

nigga what that's what's happening rn

Teach is following the same structure as pre-timeskip

[alpine trench]

That Marineford moment has long since has been diluted by the simple lack of any moments of Teach demonstrably being the threat he is supposed to be besides being told “see how mysterious this guy is? He has a lineage now! See how big of a threat he is?”

[grand flower]

Down to Teach trying to capture someone to make a deal with the government, but getting a member of Luffy's family instead

Down to fighting a D. on an island with dick-shaped mountains

[fringe escarp]

trying? brother that was never the plan

do you not see the issue

[distant vine]

The spread actually looks good in the VIZ reader, nice

[fringe escarp]

he had no intentions of capturing koby

[grand flower]

oh man my guy we are just not reading the same story

[fringe escarp]

that was PURELY because it was a compromise

[prisma yacht]

He had no intention of capturing ace as well

[leaden rivet]

Be patient harsh, he’s working forwards things in the shadows

[fringe escarp]

NIGGA THIS IS TRUE

[fringe escarp]

trash point capturing ace was equivalent to his other goal

[iron oriole]

he had every intention to capture Luffy though

[distant vine]

Imagine having to put ice on that man, ouch

[prisma yacht]

He just works his things up with the flow

[sturdy steeple]

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[fringe escarp]

dont comparing capturing luffy with going for the fucking love love fruit

[grand flower]

You can't build intrigue by hiding a character's true threat level and also demonstrate the threat they're supposed to be

[fringe escarp]

YES

YOU CAN

ITS CALLED PRE TS BLACKBEARD

😭

[distant vine]

I dont really mind the Offscreen Haki

[prisma yacht]

Lol capturing koby had a meaning too

[glacial bear]

And the thing about Blackbeard is that him & his crew always succeeds

[distant vine]

BB's threatening enough for me personally

[fringe escarp]

but that wasn't the plan

koby was literally a compromise

his actual main plan was the love love fruit

koby was a non factor

[prisma yacht]

He went for a fruit got something even bigger

All I see is a W

[fringe escarp]

was it bigger? he had no intentions of going for koby until ray forced his hand

[prisma yacht]

His plan evolved midway

[fringe escarp]

evolved or completely shifted

[grand flower]

We didn't see Blackbeard's true threat level because his victory over Ace was off-screened, and we had no idea that he was banking on Marineford happening the moment he left Whitebeard's crew.

In the case of pre-ts, the "you had no idea how dangerous Teach truly was" is the reveal that Teach was planning to trigger Marineford the minute he he captured Ace specifically to steal Whitebeard's power

[fringe escarp]

evolving is going for ace instead of luffy

[grand flower]

That's another layer to "Teach is far more dangerous than you think" btw

We had NO idea that stealing a second power was even possible

[prisma yacht]

Sooner or later he was going to make a move on wg

[grand flower]

We find that out when Teach springs it on us

[alpine trench]

I simply don’t care about the threat of BB, and really don’t give a shit about the didacticism of Oda saying “he’s a threat” rather than even demonstrably be one in even a minute way, the intrigue has worn off, he’s not been intriguing since the timeskip and the glimpses Oda has given into his activities has only reinforced my idea of what threat he is supposed to be and how short he’s falling

[grand flower]

Teach's entire character is "you never ever truly know what hes capable of" and Oda writes that perfectly

Teach says "I plan to become a king in the WG"

[distant vine]

His crew has the same "It'll all work out in the end" vibe as the SH's and in an antag's hands that feels pretty threatening

[grand flower]

And we have no idea what he's possibly gonna gain from that

Learning from what you've read tell us, though, it's gonna be fucking awful

[alpine trench]

Yeah I like the fact that now Kuzan being a part of the crew amplifies the power of it

[glacial bear]

And it does work out every time

[grand flower]

This is another thing people gloss over

[alpine trench]

But teach himself doesn’t feel like much of a huge threat in promise

[grand flower]

the blackbeard pirates losing a lot is exactly what happens to the SHs

And it makes their enemies underestimate them

Zoro and Sanji got the same treatment the Blackbeard pirates got fighting Garp

[distant vine]

So he shot lightning at Sanji and made him back off before the kick?

[grand flower]

niggas downvoting "the straw hats take Ls just like the blackbeard pirates do" after a chapter where Zoro and Sanji got done up crazy

[prisma yacht]

Tbf we do need to see him make a big move

[grand flower]

You gotta remember

there's really people who look at the same pages as you but are reading an entirely different story

[glacial bear]

Laffite somehow manage to infiltrate Mariejois & can hypnotize people to give away their social security number

[distant vine]

Same arc where Gunko sweeped half the crew without taking any damage

[grand flower]

Where Gaban styled on the captain and his right hand simultaneously

Anyway Oda does more than enough to make Teach a compelling threat

[glacial bear]

Laffite my glorious king

[pulsar timber]

Clash impact

[grand flower]

There's always that lingering air of, you have no idea what this crew is capable of stooping to and capable of achieving

When you have the captain breaking the laws of physics

And successfully making an Emperor and the entire WG move to his bidding like chess pieces

That's pretty fuckin compelling

[soft tangle]

Pre time skip Oda would have made the CDs eat explosive food

[grand flower]

And we find out an arc ago that it's not the AWs that directly cause flooding

It's the earthquake that happened after they use the AW

So what's that tell us about the maniac with the power to freely generate earthquakes

[alpine trench]

The fucking crew just doing nothing more than “wow this is our fate” kinda makes me want them to do more, Kuzan is a welcome addition

[grand flower]

that panel didn't make me worry about the Government and the AWs

[lofty fern]

Even before I join this community and when I first read about him, I found him very cliche and boring. He's your very stereotypical pirate type who is selfish stabs people in the back and once everything for himself. He's an open book to me, which makes him boring to me.

[grand flower]

My first thought was "oh no teach can do this"

and teach is a complete maniac

[keen quiver]

Everything you just said is what i think about imu

[grand flower]

that's how you know, oda has written a compelling threat

[keen quiver]

Just replace pirate with tyrant

[grand flower]

he didn't have to mention blackbeard directly at all

[tawny kraken]

W episode

[grand flower]

just knowing blackbeard is capable of producing the same effect is enough because you also know he's willling to do it

[glacial bear]

And to think about it. The BB Pirates didn’t have any DF members at the time of Drum Kingdom arc except BB & Laffite. And they beat the likes Chess, Kuro Marimo, Dalton who had a Zoan, & a Wapol!

[leaden rivet]

A stereotypical pirate in a world where all others pirates fail to fit the stereotype makes him quite unique

[keen quiver]

Also imu literally jusr a stereotype devil tyrant that kills his men when they mess up

[leaden rivet]

Imu’s rather generic to begin with and he was no different than a silhouette until recently so idk why everyone’s acting like he’s a better character

[lofty fern]

And there's the dichotomy

[wraith mantle]

my friend wouldnt watch one piece because he thinks a show about pirates is lame

[graceful belfry]

Luffy and Teach are two different embodiments of the spirit of piracy in the story

[knotty root]

You got to consider how confident Burgess was to be able to just jump and go for sengoku when he and blackbeard clashed.

[keen quiver]

Luffy doesnt really share anything with imu, outside of imu hating the last person who had his fruit.

[stone terrace]

Yea i felt that way too

[glacial bear]

YESSSS

[stone terrace]

But one piece is so far from piracy atp lmao

[glacial bear]

THE CHAMPION JESUS BURGESS

https://tenor.com/view/burgess-opbr-bounty-rush-one-piece-jesus-burgess-gif-13584138616826912699

[keen quiver]

Jesus definitely a pride addict

[leaden rivet]

Luffy only shares “destiny” with Imu thus far. Blackbeard got Ace killed, and kidnapped his grandad

[wraith mantle]

yeah we have ascended to the realm of gods

[leaden rivet]

And also hopefully is going to kill his idol

[maiden saffron]

the age of pirates, going out to sea and all that is just the setting

[leaden rivet]

And he also attacked Hancock Luffy’s friend also

And Koby..

[dapper tree]

Average anime plot progression

[glacial bear]

To be fair. Jesus Burgess was in his environment in the Colosseum. He gave Sabo a GREAT fight

[maiden saffron]

have you ever played a jrpg?

[lofty fern]

Everything about his power is the exact opposite of luffy's. Everything he is is the opposite of Luffy. To me he has way more connection than BB does

[royal orchid]

wow no yeah episode 1158 ended exactly on the last panel of 1128 wow
@native seal

[maiden saffron]

that's what the japanese do

[grand flower]

I think you're take that Teach hasn't been demonstrated to be a threat really isn't accurate. Oda has kept Teach's ceilings close to his chest, but we've seen enough.

1. Shanks constantly chasing Teach when he knows Imu is around

2. Successfully manipulating a war between WB and the Government just to steal WB's power, which can be its own point in itself

3. Him defeating Ace singlehandedly

4. The reveal that Teach possesses the power to trigger the floodings because he has earthquake powers

Oda has demonstrated to us more than enough times that however dangerous you think Teach is, he's got something more in store

[wraith mantle]

nope

[maiden saffron]

every single time, without fail

[alpine trench]

Imu’s identity as the devil in control of the world as an inversion of the Paradise Lost/Biblical narrative tides over him being “uninteresting”

[leaden rivet]

All Blackbeard is missing is conventional “aura” and everyone would love him

[wraith mantle]

can bb have aura?

[grand flower]

Blackbeard is a horror movie villain is all

[prisma yacht]

I don't think that's it

[distant vine]

Chess and Kuromarimo ran ahead of time. Even if they were...not that much of a feat..,

[glacial bear]

Those static Afro puffs were powerful

[grand flower]

You get glimpses of him to build the feeling of, however dangerous you think it is, he's actually more dangerous

[knotty root]

If he defeats someone prominent like shanks or waht not

Sucking imu's power might do somethign similiar

[distant vine]

Chopper defeated them combined lol

[wraith mantle]

fuck is a skemkem

[lofty fern]

I would still hate him. He has 0 charisma to me. I would take Kaido over him

[knotty root]

Someone

[wraith mantle]

oh

[distant vine]

Not to diss Chopper, he's strong

[knotty root]

My keyboard is small and I type relatively fast