also-manga

[hot cairn]

do you guys think Urouge will ever get explored

[trim lily]

i would hope so

[dark nymph]

yes soon

[warm sierra]

I assume Oda meant Enel to be short for Enerugi, so hes technically correct imo but it just looks stupid

[trim lily]

its strange for oda to cover a new supernova every arc except for urouge

[urban lodge]

It would be extremely funny if he didn't so I kinda want him not to

[iron oriole]

Eneru, Enel, Ener, Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, Eminem... he's a man of many names

[leaden rivet]

Speaking of this, I honestly didn’t remember Nami losing her organs this early

[warm sierra]

yet

[dark nymph]

E rabbit

[ashen perch]

its the opposite

she gains organs as the series goes on

she's paper thin at the start lol

[rose rune]

he's called Alino in HK subs, so I'm sticking with that

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-loki-one-piece-elbaph-gif-14272718888116261945

[iron oriole]

yeah Skypiea Nami would never call Kaido a liar to his face

[frigid gulch]

Rocks mention soon

Get ready Penny

[urban lodge]

Toei will go bankrupt before 2027 🙏

[trim lily]

nuh uh you still got legoland for like 4 more eps

[leaden rivet]

Pre timeskip Nami was so much more resourceful especially early on

[dark nymph]

end me

[ashen perch]

like look at this

[trim lily]

sanji should bring this fit back

[glacial bear]

Oh my god

[brittle basin]

If Nami was more resourceful early on (I don't remember honestly), could it be a byproduct of the story being more complicated with more moving narrative pieces?

[urban lodge]

Feet

[leaden rivet]

This cover is sooo nostalgic

Got me right in the feels

[glacial bear]

Sanji wearing a Naruto shirt? Nope never mind it’s a flower shirt

[ashen perch]

literally paper thin

[dark nymph]

god damn those are massive

[hearty shore]

why are her feet so MASSIVE

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-soup-ramen-gif-21620044

[iron oriole]

Oda knows what people like

[leaden rivet]

I think it’s moreso that Luffy and the other guys handle everything more and she no longer needs to be resourceful to survive like she did when she was working for Arlong

[hearty shore]

omg ure making me hungry for ramen

[glacial bear]

I never understood people with foot fetish

[hearty shore]

well i like feet and i don't like those

[glacial bear]

😂

[leaden rivet]

Resourcefulness matters a lot less when you have someone that can punch his way to victory

[warm sierra]

it matters a lot less when you can just scream save me zeus

[hearty shore]

i've had it ever since i was a kid, it's something you're born with ig

[warm sierra]

hold

[dark nymph]

ZEUS SAVE ME

[iron oriole]

nothing wrong with liking feet

[hearty shore]

ZEUS DONT SAVE HIM

[lofty fern]

lol, all the shanks fans of course. I'm a Shanks fan and even I'm like...come on guys

[leaden rivet]

Early Nami is so nostalgic for some reason compared to the others I love her

[dark nymph]

need that panel of Sanji screaming for Robin's help

[stiff kiln]

guys...

[grand flower]

adding this to my proof that Sanji has extraterrestrial origins

[stiff kiln]

why can I not larp in #spoilers no more

[leaden rivet]

This panel for me is just so nostalgic also i can’t explain it

[urban lodge]

Her early design was just super adorable

[ashen perch]

whatever that means

[urban lodge]

I guess she changed the most out of our east blue 5

[glacial bear]

Oh she thanked them for the keys so she can get the map but still thought it was a stupid idea

[blazing depot]

Why did you point that out BROTHER…

[lofty fern]

How long before we get an anime OP with Brook and Gunko standing back to back, as the camera swirls around them?

[urban lodge]

You're welcome

[glacial bear]

They like feet

[hot cairn]

*2

[ashen perch]

the main differences are really just artstyle based with Nami

[urban lodge]

I just pointed it out because it's funny

[warm sierra]

long hair > short hair

[stiff kiln]

yall wheres 1180 spoilers??

[leaden rivet]

Yes

[warm sierra]

do you have a foot fetish btw

[ashen perch]

Her eyes gain light as Oda starts to draw more detailed eyes and her eyelashes get more prominent

[hot cairn]

but you hate Skypiea smh

[stiff kiln]

why would I, hell no I dont

[ashen perch]

chat why are we talking about feet, stop

[glacial bear]

Watching Skypeia & Wano in the anime was a bore ngl

[leaden rivet]

The cover doesn’t change the arc

[iron oriole]

dont act like you dont enjoy it

[ashen perch]

I dont 😭

[leaden rivet]

We’re going to make Arsal relapse let’s chill

[glacial bear]

I might need to rewatch them & see if I still feel the same way

[dense rapids]

Sun God and Earth God

[stiff kiln]

who tf was talking about feet gng😔

[wet condor]

My feet look p rough

[ashen perch]

buddy look at your name

[grand flower]

It’s because of the flower shirt. Do you wanna see why

[iron oriole]

Mr Arsal "Feet Lover" Wise, its not aprils fools anymore

[hot cairn]

español?

[ashen perch]

an arc that is atleast 6 times better than Wano btw

[ashen perch]

sure

[glacial bear]

Si

[leaden rivet]

Wano vs Skypiea isn’t even a conversation

[ashen perch]

that is true

[leaden rivet]

It never was

[stiff kiln]

this is ragebait isnt it

[glacial bear]

Oh wait are you asking if the user is Spanish?

[stiff kiln]

wano solos

[leaden rivet]

Skypiea is a low tier arc, Wano is amongst the best one piece has to offer

[urban lodge]

Wano has nothing that comes close to Luffy's shadow in the clouds

[leaden rivet]

No me speak Spanish

[wet condor]

I've been appreciating Skypeia more lately

[glacial bear]

Arsel likes feet?

[grand flower]

#also-manga message

@glacial bear check this out

[hot cairn]

the chapter dropped already

[ashen perch]

if One Piece's best is Wano then we should end One Piece right now its over

[leaden rivet]

And why would you be doing that

[glacial bear]

Ngl why am I not surprised

[wet condor]

I will likely never go back and read all of it

But I am appreciating it more

[grand flower]

LOVES em, can’t get enough

[wet condor]

Nostalgia, I guess

[glacial bear]

That’s crazy 😭 he’s crazy

[stiff kiln]

ohh so it closes when the chapter drops?? man I had fun ragebaiting

[leaden rivet]

This is so silly

[grand flower]

Noses too

[leaden rivet]

You love so many weak writing points of op but you just hate Wano

[gleaming sonnet]

Skypeia #1

[grand flower]

You’re not gonna believe this

[wet condor]

Wait I thought you liked Wano

I remember you used to hate the end of it

[urban lodge]

Great moment, but still not close tbh

[wet condor]

Because it was rushed

[glacial bear]

Oh well that’s a first

[pulsar timber]

Wano is the best arc in the series

[hot cairn]

okay cmon now

[hot cairn]

let’s not be silly

[glacial bear]

LMFAO

[leaden rivet]

If you dislike Wano are you really a one piece fan?

[grand flower]

This what @ashen perch be on

[hot cairn]

Wano is top 3 but Skypiea is PEAK

[leaden rivet]

It’s like the most one piece arc out there

[hot cairn]

cook

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-jaya-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-the-sky-gif-22042622

[glacial bear]

Enel’s long earlobes creeped me out

[ashen perch]

oh I think I did see this already

[wet condor]

Wano is good but I'm glad we finally got out of there

[glacial bear]

And the way Enel’s nose was drawn too. It was weird looking

[ashen perch]

if I loved the weak writing points of the series, I would love Wano a lot more

[grand flower]

Something about em felt kinda gross to me as a kid

[warm sierra]

freaky eyebrows too

[urban lodge]

We were talking about this earlier but Jaya and Skypiea should be considered the same arc too

[wet condor]

That's how they are in my head

[stone terrace]

#Nah

[thick mango]

Yes jaya is act 1 of skypeia

[hot cairn]

it’ll probably open up on Monday for 1181 hints

[pulsar timber]

Jaya is like 19 chapters I’ll pass on that

[ashen perch]

I like it, I think its good, I dont think it is GREAT, thats all

[hot cairn]

this shit is so peak man

I love Momo

[thick mango]

Wano is fine like a solid b+

[hot cairn]

Caleb and Illy are both right

those panels are legendary

[wet condor]

If I consider Jaya seperate from Skypeia I like it less lol

[grand flower]

See how he’s wearing the flower shirt in the Enel/sky people/sky island arc? Do you see it Arsal do you see it?

[urban lodge]

Okay you have a point, but I always separate the Oden flashback in my head

[leaden rivet]

Jaya is far better than skypiea to me

[ashen perch]

I might be reaching but the way Imu's hair drops over his chest reminded me of the earlobes again lol

[pulsar timber]

It’s Times like these where I’m reminded this channel has the worst opinions

[glacial bear]

I enjoyed Jaya

[thick mango]

Jaya is a part of skypeua but yes is one of the best parts

[ashen perch]

sure...

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-saruyama-alliance-masira-masira-one-piece-shoujo-gif-2922497555225504081

I love these guys

[trim lily]

we're just like the main manga channel but more concentrated

[leaden rivet]

Do you consider water 7 and enies lobby to be separate

[ashen perch]

Jaya is Skypiea, and Skypiea is incomplete without Jaya

they are one story

[formal wagon]

and skypiea is wano

[glacial bear]

Separate

[iron oriole]

what?

W7 & EL are easily the same arc

[trim lily]

arent they two seperate islands with seperate overarching plots and goals

[ashen perch]

doesnt really matter

if we did arcs by islands then well

[formal wagon]

😭 not jj redick

[ashen perch]

you get this

[thick mango]

Did y'all enjoy the green bit arc before dressrosa

[leaden rivet]

I’ve already decided I’m ignoring this

[glacial bear]

JJ redick 😂

[hot cairn]

Wano is on my top 3 but Skypiea is a 10/10 arc

[trim lily]

who here was a fan of the gecko archipelago arc

[leaden rivet]

Sabaody and Marineford same arc is crazy

[hoary steppe]

So loki basically yonko++ lvl rn

[iron oriole]

Organ Archipelago arc the best arc fr fr

[graceful belfry]

Crazy how “Punk Hazard” Saga is the first bad one

[ashen perch]

I have no clue why they did that

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/club-penguin-meme-dancing-penguin-penguin-twerk-club-penguin-club-penguin-emoji-gif-27435329

[ashen perch]

it makes no sense really

it should be part of Dressrosa saga

[hoary steppe]

Skypiea is official ?!

[glacial bear]

I loved those eastern dragons

[ashen perch]

its the name of the island yeah

[glacial bear]

I always thought the clouds that surround them are pretty

[hot cairn]

true again

[stone terrace]

[hoary steppe]

[graceful belfry]

Naturally lol. Zou should be apart of WCI and there should be a broader distinction for that entire stretch of post timeskip up until Wano. Feels like it’s all building toward the same conclusion

[urban lodge]

All great moments, but idk, something about that Skypiea moment just makes me so emotional in a way that these don't

[hot cairn]

man I miss Wano so much

[urban lodge]

The Roger laughed moment is the closest thing

[hot cairn]

that arc was so fun weekly

[trim lily]

act 3 soon

[stone terrace]

Thank god we are out of wano

[glacial bear]

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/fomo-trying-struggle-sweating-nervous-gif-13511223

[thick mango]

I'm 99% sure op will end with that skypeia scene where everyone is praying on boats. I've seen it in a dream

[leaden rivet]

Let’s not forget this legendary one

[glacial bear]

Roger flashback arc will never end

[ashen perch]

yeah

[grand flower]

It be like that we all have our soul mates but it’s a panel

[glacial bear]

We’re due for an Ace upscale in Elbaph

[ashen perch]

I dont miss Wano, I have Elbaf

[hot cairn]

another punk hazard hater

[stone terrace]

Real fuckin funny that kaido never found out that harald was like that

[hoary steppe]

Fake af

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-lebron-lebron-james-true-nba-gif-2358803548784100453

[ashen perch]

with Elbaf on my side, I wont be missing Wano anytime soon

[hot cairn]

trueeeee

[iron oriole]

Here's the real panel for you

[brittle basin]

ah my bad, I thought you were talking about all her pre-ts actions.

[thick mango]

It's like being the worst strawhat. It's just the nature of comparing things that something has to be the worst post ts arc and that something is punk hazard

[graceful belfry]

Worst arc in the post timeskip and one of my least favorite arcs in the manga. But not bad. I wouldn’t call myself a hater

[leaden rivet]

Kurozumi were born to burn

[iron oriole]

you wanna fight Illy?

[hot cairn]

that’s why I don’t follow that silly oficial list

[hot cairn]

fr

[hoary steppe]

Imu moves kinda upset me

[leaden rivet]

First Tama fan in history

[iron oriole]

Tama is the GOAT

[brittle basin]

This has to be objectively the biggest upgrade in the series, right? Relatively speaking at least?

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-big-news-morgans-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-you-are-true-gif-3069649368973903304

[stone terrace]

Stoop

[leaden rivet]

I remember everyone hated Tama let’s not switch up now

[hoary steppe]

I was hoping imu’s staff could’ve df and trample these fodder

[brittle basin]

Oh, I'm saving this one.

[iron oriole]

Never forget that Kaido got clowned by her

[glacial bear]

People hated Tama? I HATED TOKO

[dark nymph]

that panel of Momo in dragon form facing Luffy is so PEAK

[pulsar timber]

Kick Koby Tama please

[leaden rivet]

Toko was the goat

[ashen perch]

should be following the inversion based saga list

[graceful belfry]

I never hated Tama. She’s a character who I enjoy. A good character even lol

[iron oriole]

the word "hate" should never be used to describe Tama

[graceful belfry]

I just go by Sagas now

[graceful grove]

Tama knows Koby is a dirty WG dog

[hoary steppe]

Why bro hated one of the saddest person ever

[stone terrace]

Children tend to be annoying

[glacial bear]

True

[leaden rivet]

People used to kinda hate Momo at one point

[graceful grove]

who hated tama?

[grand flower]

If you hate Tama ima assume you’re a genuine cringe lord irl shes so damn adorable

[rose rune]

I don't know if anyone has ever noticed because of the obvious tama, but I made akainu bite his lip

[brittle basin]

I loved Toko. Poor thing needs it.

[grand flower]

How could you hate that kid

[glacial bear]

Apparently some people here did

[hoary steppe]

Ay yo what

[hot cairn]

yeah I’m not a hater either, I think that’s genuinely the only arc I dread to reread when I’m doing rereads. It’s alright nothing to go home about. It’s good set up for the rest of the second act of the story.

Also I’m not really a big Law fan so that’s part of the reason why I don’t enjoy it much. I don’t hate him I just don’t vibe with him.

[leaden rivet]

Everyone hates Koby but I guess he isn’t a kid anymore

[graceful grove]

thats understandable because he was a lil freak

[iron oriole]

i never saw a Tama hater before

[red lagoon]

Who tf is everyone

[brittle basin]

even looking at it now, I can't tell there is an edit on him

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-14770887436103544323

[grand flower]

Punk hazard has so much atmosphere I love revisiting it

[leaden rivet]

🫵

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/koby-one-piece-1122-honesty-impact-me-ignoring-you-gif-13513616501949852125

[iron oriole]

you hate Tama?

[hot cairn]

*second

[glacial bear]

Momo was funny af but yeah he was crossing the line ngl

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-eho-me-pointing-at-self-nah-gif-10674698428710760867

[hoary steppe]

Yes

[hot cairn]

don’t disrespect my goat Oli

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-momonosuke-baka-fool-bonk-gif-27590184

[brittle basin]

ah i see the wite-out now, thigh

[iron oriole]

wtf, why

[hoary steppe]

Idk i hate that dango girl

[urban lodge]

Child abuse

[hot cairn]

why is she with Akainu

[iron oriole]

mods ban ty

[hot cairn]

the what?

[ashen perch]

its very self explanatory

[grand flower]

An aspect of Punk hazard that people don’t talk about enough is how the laboratory-on-abandoned-wasteland setting really complements how emotionless, cold and clinical Caesar, Vergo and Monet are as antagonists

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[rose rune]

here's the actual face

[brittle basin]

oooooh

[hot cairn]

that’s fair I’m just not a fan of the setting and the cast

so I don’t vibe much with it

[glacial bear]

Punk Hazard would’ve been cool if it was CM Punk Hazard

[leaden rivet]

Thought that was Avery for a second whatever happened to her

[glacial bear]

Who

[urban lodge]

Left

[unkempt sable]

Who wins doffy or anime Kinemon

[leaden rivet]

Mmm

[frail kindle]

Right

[unkempt sable]

Middle

[glacial bear]

Doffy

[rose rune]

and here's another edit I made a long time ago

[leaden rivet]

Avery, a shanks fan that used to be active here

[urban lodge]

Shanks fan 😭

[unkempt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kinemon-kaido-one-piece-akazaya-nine-scabbards-gif-25130401

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/flaming-gif-15710759567636502055

[graceful belfry]

Tbf I do think the concept of the setting itself is extremely cool, especially with the added lore

[dark nymph]

crazy legacy

[hot cairn]

lmaooo

[stone terrace]

Dont do her like that

[hot cairn]

a shanks fan

[urban lodge]

I guess it's not inaccurate now

[hot cairn]

well she was at the end

[urban lodge]

She literally had a vision from god

[hot cairn]

that was so funny

[hot cairn]

CM?

[iron oriole]

wrestler

CM Punk

[hot cairn]

idk what it is

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cm-punk-it's-clobberin-time-2024-raw-raw-2024-gif-14094644663072280324

[hot cairn]

ah

[ashen perch]

its the idea that every arc from pre ts correlates to another post ts arc smh

[glacial bear]

OKAY I SEE YOU 👀 YOU KNOW BALL

[ashen perch]

shuron

[grand flower]

Hi ardal

Ardal

Ardal

[ashen perch]

that is very very political

[grand flower]

Ardal

Arsal

[ashen perch]

Ardal

[dark nymph]

Sandal

[ashen perch]

he's glitching out

[grand flower]

This is ableist btw

[hot cairn]

oh that thing, I don’t know if I believe that. What arc is Elbaph supposed to parallel?

[ashen perch]

😭

[grand flower]

Yeah you ain’t think o thag

[thick mango]

Amazon lily

[waxen furnace]

Hi Arzal

[grand flower]

Of that

[rose rune]

the kuina flashback

[hot cairn]

how does that even make sense

[hot cairn]

[graceful belfry]

It’s got aspects of Little Garden and Skypiea if you think about it

[thick mango]

It made more sense pre imu. Isolationist nation with bad history with the wg.

[grand flower]

Thriller Bark following the pattern

[graceful belfry]

But I don’t really believe too much in the arc mirror theory

[grand flower]

Wano was Skypeia

Water 7 and Sabaody was Egghead

[hot cairn]

but then it’s breaking out of order?

[iron oriole]

shit... i remember watching CM Punk on TNA when i was a kid

[graceful belfry]

True, this too

[grand flower]

So we’re on thriller bark and little garden is cool

[hot cairn]

wait that doesnt make sense

[ashen perch]

FMI

[hot cairn]

it’s not in order

[rose rune]

on the topic of that flashback. I love the casual reply from her father

[graceful belfry]

Thriller Bark has its hands in every cookie jar tho

[glacial bear]

In 2012 is when I started watching. The Rock vs John Cena was such a huge event

https://tenor.com/view/wrestlemania28-john-cena-rock-cena-rock-cena-rock-wrestlemania-gif-27519679

[grand flower]

Actually Elbaph’s probably an amalgamation of all arcs becausw Elbaph backwards is Phable

[fallen meteor]

you guys listed like 4 different arcs for Elbaph

[grand flower]

That’s so wild I stopped around this time

[hot cairn]

so next arc is punk hazard? Whats the logic here

[hot cairn]

yeah lol

[fallen meteor]

i dont think they think it's in order

[hot cairn]

oh

[fallen meteor]

it's just that the arcs mirror pre ts arcs

[hoary steppe]

Punk era was CM punk vs mysterio

[iron oriole]

i probably stopped being interested in wrestling around this time, give or take a year or two

[thick mango]

It doesn't actually work people are just moving the goalposts around to reverse engineer a desired conclusion

[hot cairn]

FMI isnt pre time skip

[graceful belfry]

I just wanna go on record and say that I don’t believe in whatever inversion or mirror theory we’re talking about but I do think One Piece is a series where arcs are perpetually building into multiple other, future arcs

So I get where the theory is rooted

[hot cairn]

this I can agree with

[thick mango]

Arcs have similarities sure but it's not the exact same road map where every beat is a prets echo

[hot cairn]

yeah

[rose rune]

man, the anime not showing this is actually really stupid

[stone terrace]

Syrup village inversion

[glacial bear]

That’s fair. I’ve been burned out of wrestling so I don’t keep up as often as I did. Not just WWE, but other promotions as well like New Japan, AEW, etc.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-covering-mouth-stream-scary-speed-scared-gif-3435748839023247479

[fallen meteor]

i think you can see similarities everywhere but i dont think oda is sitting down to write Vira and he's like 'ok lets do reverse romance dawn now'

[hoary steppe]

[glacial bear]

Oh MY

Socrates Reincarnated

[hot cairn]

yeah that sounds silly

[urban lodge]

Inherited will is a beautiful thing

[ashen perch]

FMI was meant to follow Sabaody had it not failed, thats the logic there. Elbaf is what we got after a fairly successful Sabaody, Egghead.

[hoary steppe]

Will of Loki glazer never die

[hot cairn]

FMI isnt pre time skip tho

[ashen perch]

the next arc isnt PH, PH was part of the Alabasta inversion already, next arc is Amazon Lily

[glacial bear]

@grand flower Mania starts in 3 mins 😭

2 now

[hot cairn]

??

[ashen perch]

yeah its the exception...

[hot cairn]

okay this doesnt make sense actually

[graceful belfry]

It’s not totally preposterous. I’ll say that. I think saying something like, “Skypiea is a microcosm of the series” isn’t wrong. Or saying that Dressrosa has obvious parallels to Alabasta. That stuff is just sort of true

[odd rune]

Kind of I realised I was wrong and then went to sleep

[hot cairn]

you have to move many goalposts to make it believable

[odd rune]

Was always gonna dip

[hot cairn]

LOL

[ashen perch]

I only had to move one for FMI

[odd rune]

[hot cairn]

@urban lodge you were right

[urban lodge]

See? That's what that emoji communicated

[hoary steppe]

Dressrosa plot pretty different from alabasta dawg

[graceful belfry]

Yes

It is different

[rose rune]

why even talk, when we can emoji

[ashen perch]

I dont think the claim has ever been ''ohh these are literally the same arcs''

[quiet ice]

Alabasta inversion. You are referring to it indirectly….

[ashen perch]

lol

I meant Dressrosa smh

[rose rune]

😂 🤣 🥲 😔

[ashen perch]

but the FMI/Elbaf connection is fairly obvious, its literally Eve and Adam

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-pell-arabasta-alabasta-pell-the-falcon-gif-24828530

[ashen perch]

The Sunlight Eve Tree of FMI and The Adam Tree of Elbaf are what connect the two

Harald's friendship with Neptune is obviously alluding to the connection here, and then there's ofc.... Mosa

[iron oriole]

Eve is where DFs originally came from btw, it is not a coincidence that we got a tree named after Eve the first woman, who ate the FORBIDDEN FRUIT

[graceful grove]

its close to Sabody

[ashen perch]

funnily enough, Usopp is the one to note the connection between the two too lol

[graceful grove]

SH and friends getting their ass whooped after they got hyped

[fallen meteor]

do you guys think oda will write usopp to solve imu in elbaf

[ashen perch]

Shirahoshi is bound to her room for years, in the Ryugu Castle by the roots of the Sunlight Eve Tree because of the death of her mother. She knew all along what actually happened to her.
Loki is bound to the underworld for years, below the castle by the roots of the Adam Tree because of the death of his father. She knew what actually happened to him.

[grand flower]

Hm. I’m just drunk enough

[ashen perch]

you dont have to really look too deeply to understand how Oda's connecting the two places

its very in your face

[hot cairn]

I still don’t think Shirahoshi is Mosa

[grand flower]

She can’t be Shaggy

[ashen perch]

she will be

[grand flower]

Luffy was the first person to be mean to Shirahoshi

[red lagoon]

Then who

[graceful belfry]

The Shirahoshi and Loki link is so clear. Regardless of whether she’s actually Mosa or not

[grand flower]

Neptune is Shaggy

[red lagoon]

Who is scooby

[hot cairn]

no idea

[grand flower]

The joke is that Roger and Harald assumed that Shirahoshi would be hairy cause Neptune is

Neptune is the shaggy one

[ashen perch]

Loki hasnt even been mean to her

[grand flower]

Loki told shaggy they were pathetic

[ashen perch]

oh yea true, but that was recent anyways

[graceful grove]

the way mosa talks don't feel like shirahoshi

[ashen perch]

we dont know how those early calls went

truthfully, the very small issues dont matter

and can be easily resolved

[graceful grove]

watch oda abandon this plotline and just reveal it in sbs 2 years later

[ashen perch]

Mosa does talk like Shirahoshi lol, Oda even cleverly has her cut off the moment she says Loki's name

[graceful grove]

"oh yea, mosa was pudding"

[ashen perch]

because ofc she would have said Loki-sama

[warm sierra]

wait, is the anime gonna clear it up or are they gonna do something to the voice?

[ashen perch]

shit yea, I thought we'd get the reveal by now lmao

[brittle basin]

lmfaooooo ok that one's good

[ashen perch]

yeah they gotta go with a filtered voice

[iron oriole]

i can see it being done like Imu for now

depends on what Oda's told them ig?

[graceful belfry]

The anime will just do whatever. I don’t think they’re made privy to every single detail, considering that Shanks’ VA voiced Shamrock’s first appearance and they make Imu’s voice distorted

[ashen perch]

I imagine he wont make the Shamrock mistake again

but lets see

[red lagoon]

I lowkey think it will just be shirahoshi voice actor still if it’s 100% her

[iron oriole]

the Shamrock "mistake" is actually better tbh

[red lagoon]

But I have Jo reason to doubt it’s not her

No

[fallen meteor]

imagine they straight up use shirahoshi's va

[ashen perch]

that would be funny

[red lagoon]

I think they will lmao

[graceful belfry]

Voice actors have spoiled things before, iirc

[thick mango]

the whole mosa shirahoshi thing because of analysis of the dialect between the two is crazy to me. Latching on to this indirect subjective hint weighed against the glaring obvious hint that shes the only character whos referred to as shaggy and that reference is known to harald and therefore probably loki

[red lagoon]

This not even a game breaking secret

[ashen perch]

I feel like they will use her with a filtered voice

[hoary steppe]

Oh we talkin about mosa ?!

[fallen meteor]

when are we expecting the mosa call

[ashen perch]

I dont think so

[hoary steppe]

Mosa is shirahoshi !

[iron oriole]

S tier casting & better overall reveal of Shamrock, if they casted someone else for the Gorosei scene, it would have spoiled it tbh

[fallen meteor]

which ep

[formal wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974923758022328371/1495072153236803594/image0.gif

[graceful belfry]

Sukiyaki theories already existed?

[red lagoon]

Oda was telling us without telling us mosa is shirahoshi

[graceful belfry]

That’s the single one I could think of

[brittle basin]

Spider? Kill it!

[red lagoon]

Like how he showed us kizaru fed luffy without acc showing us

[ashen perch]

its not even really an issue, Mosa talks like the current Shirahoshi, who has made more effort to grow in confidence since FMI

[ashen perch]

yeah, the VA added to it

[fallen meteor]

its way bigger than i thought

[red lagoon]

I think it’s just a put 2 and 2 together moment

[ashen perch]

Sukiyaki had not made an appearance in the anime yet when people pointed out the kokeshi dolls

or the hairy arms lol

[thick mango]

yeah i dunno i never really dug into the claims that they spoke differently because its based on an understanding of japanese i dont have and cant sanity check

[ashen perch]

the same VAs were like the ''oh shit, it might really be true'' moment

for the theorists

[graceful belfry]

Interesting. In any case, they’ve kept a detail consistent before it was revealed, so maybe Shirahoshi’s VA could voice Mosa, if that’s who it’s intended to be. But I don’t think it’s something that’ll be outright revealed through the anime. And I definitely don’t think that Toei has all the answers lol

[ashen perch]

they did claim that Oda's going to be consulted more for Elbaf

but they already made one mistake lol

[hoary steppe]

We all know whos sayin this shit

[warm sierra]

episode 1156 adapted chapter 1126 and the mosa call is chapter 1134

[trim lily]

what if it was what oda intended...

[brittle basin]

In hindsight, that's a good detail.

[ashen perch]

Usopp explicitly says that he was woken up by iscat

and they just changed it all up

[fallen meteor]

so its still this season

[hoary steppe]

Very shirahoshi thing to not shout

[brittle basin]

Whimpymosa

[ashen perch]

really like this one too

she's clearly about to say Loki-sama

the honorific she adds for everyone

[fallen meteor]

what was the mistake

[brittle basin]

Does she always use sama?

[ashen perch]

always yeah

[red lagoon]

Isn’t it all but confirmed ain’t Neptune call her mosamosa or some shit

[graceful belfry]

Ye

[ashen perch]

Shaggy being connected to that one throwaway line by Roger was also insane

[red lagoon]

Man this not no mystery then

[trim lily]

the roger one is a lot more damning

but i still dont believe it

[hoary steppe]

Or that god damn snail was her dad snail transponder

[graceful belfry]

Oda’s got the vision

[ashen perch]

They showed Usopp running around and then being confronted by Iscat in Legoland, while in the manga he says he woke up as he was being eaten by Iscat

clearly, they missed that panel lol

[hoary steppe]

Especially the noble part

[ashen perch]

yeahh

[hot cairn]

or they just wanted to add the filler scene of Usopp waking up Nami to pad the episode

[ashen perch]

well they shouldnt have made one that contradicts the manga...

[trim lily]

who else wouldve woken her

hes the only one she meets

[ashen perch]

yes, that is the question

[trim lily]

makes sense for toei to make it usopp

[hot cairn]

I’m not saying that

[ashen perch]

its fine, I am just saying that Toei made it up

thats all

[hot cairn]

I’m saying that they just wanted the opportunity to do filler

[iron oriole]

how do you know that Oda didn't tell them do it like that

[ashen perch]

because it contradicts what Usopp himself said

[red lagoon]

Man ts was just to make the episode longer fr

[trim lily]

does usopp say it that ep or is it upcoming

[trim lily]

i mean it is their job to expand on and enhance the manga lol

[ashen perch]

upcoming

[trim lily]

i wonder if theyll just change that usopp line then

[frail kindle]

Whatever arsal is saying, he's wrong

[red lagoon]

He just won’t say it

[trim lily]

or that too

[red lagoon]

Minor anyways

[ashen perch]

it would be funny if they added it anyways

[trim lily]

they shouldve kept in all of oda's errors

make the anime onlies also paranoid of the hallucinations

thats the true legoland experience

[red lagoon]

Toei been changing shit since forever

[wraith mantle]

Will joyboy save the strawhats with another haki knot

[trim lily]

maybe

[near crater]

I hope so bro

[red lagoon]

Davy jones haki knot

[near crater]

Maybe the other ancient robot Vega Punk is in currently has one too

[warm sierra]

this was in the ep Im pretty sure

[wraith mantle]

Hold up this shit fire

[red lagoon]

I think it was

I slightly remember it

But maybe I’m making it up

[trim lily]

me when i light my trash can on fire

[ashen perch]

thats hilarious

[urban lodge]

Davy Jones maki knot

[ashen perch]

so they just made that up

and then added the line anyways

[trim lily]

w toei

[ashen perch]

okay I think Toei staff may have lied about consulting Oda in greater detail then

[iron oriole]

this was in the ep, the line is just changed to "before i knew it, i was in the cats mouth, i panicked"

[hot cairn]

smh people falling for that was driving me crazy

[trim lily]

it was justifiable

[ashen perch]

ahh

[hot cairn]

I kept saying it was just Oda mistakes

[trim lily]

oda introduced the possibility of hallucinations right before we enter a bizarre setting with several mistakes

[wraith mantle]

I mean there were way too many mistakes for that to be passable as Oda just falling off

And the absinthe mention was sus

[trim lily]

it would’ve been so cool if it actually was hallucinations though

legoland immediately becoming S tier

[graceful grove]

we just had it for no good reason in the end

[red lagoon]

I did my research

2x speed clutch

[trim lily]

oh they did change it

[red lagoon]

Why ima snail

[trim lily]

toei never fails

[iron oriole]

you slow

[red lagoon]

🙁

[iron oriole]

^

[formal wagon]

did toei fix luffy changing weapons

[red lagoon]

😔

[hot cairn]

and lo and behold, it was Oda mistakes

[ashen perch]

it is already S tier

[formal wagon]

did toei fix that eye thing

[ashen perch]

Oda already fixed it

[trim lily]

i’m glad there’s so many different viewpoints in this world

[red lagoon]

Legoland just okay to me

[ashen perch]

yeah!

[red lagoon]

I want to see Loki

Now!

[hot cairn]

this is the first time Arsal actually rates some thin Elbaph related

[red lagoon]

I read the start of elbaf again to see how long till I can see Loki

[hot cairn]

he always says it’s “too early to rate”

[ashen perch]

well Legoland did end yeah

Elbaf hasnt ended yet

[trim lily]

it’s too early to rate legoland

we’re going back there for the time loop after all

[ashen perch]

true true

[wraith mantle]

What makes Legoland s tier

[prisma idol]

So where does Big Mom fit?

[red lagoon]

I swear they just runnin around most of Lego land

[prisma idol]

Can we end the bet?

[near crater]

Usopp downscale

[hot cairn]

please dear God

[ashen perch]

I enjoyed seeing the crew's interactions, it felt like we were having another laid back chill adventure even as late as now and it was really just a lot of fun

[hot cairn]

what are we waiting for

[iron oriole]

everybody gangsta & wants the time loop to be real until i tell them we get GV flashback again

[wraith mantle]

This makes it S tier

[graceful grove]

he rates it because of the time loop theory and unc just put a dagger into it xd

[red lagoon]

What the heck is the time loop theory

[ashen perch]

no the timeloop is irrelevant smh

[hot cairn]

Arsal answer Bluko’s question

[ashen perch]

its just really fun, I dont even believe the timeloop theory

[red lagoon]

What the bet

[ashen perch]

I like the timeloop theory, I dont believe it

[trim lily]

don’t worry big mom will be in lodestar

[wraith mantle]

The adventure was fun but idk if it elevates it to S tier

The whole road reveal was ass so I deduct points

[ashen perch]

Hachinosu

[trim lily]

close enough

[red lagoon]

B tier

[iron oriole]

lmao

[red lagoon]

Just ok to me

[trim lily]

just keep kicking the can until the series ends

[iron oriole]

BM no longer appearing in Elbaf Arsal?

[ashen perch]

S tier for what it was meant to be

[icy wolf]

why do people think shanks gonna come to elbaf

[trim lily]

no clue

[hot cairn]

Big Mom coming back

it’s time

[graceful grove]

u seen Edge of tomorrow movie?

[ashen perch]

she could

[hot cairn]

it’s been 4 years

[red lagoon]

Nope

[dark nymph]

i forgot what I even put as my bet

[wraith mantle]

Yes it was meant to be an introductory to the arc, still not S tier in my book

[near crater]

She cried out of happiness

[red lagoon]

Into the story or into elbaf?

[iron oriole]

[icy wolf]

also why would big mom arrive

[ashen perch]

So basically, we're stuck in a timeloop in Elbaf. The idea is that we're seeing an iteration of the loop playing out once again, and the beginning of the loop is Nami being told to wake up by a mysterious voice (confirmed to be Usopp by the anime). This is just yet another attempt at trying to finally resolve the situation and escape the loop basically, which restarts when we reach a bit of what seems like a point of no return (i.e: everyone/somebody dies)
https://x.com/Animencyclo/status/2039845204195205197?s=20

👑 Cyclo (@Animencyclo)

#onepiece1179 #optheory

In writing, starting a story by waking up in a very specific way is one of the few guarantees of a specific storyline:

Time loop

I think things are building to an unassailable point, where the only way to win... is to return to the start amd try again.

X · Apr 2, 2026, 11:19 PM

[graceful grove]

watch it and u will know

[wraith mantle]

Entire fan base cheered

[hot cairn]

both

[dark nymph]

dang got that shit on standby

[red lagoon]

So what they get cooked by imu and restart?

[ashen perch]

I just remember my messages smh

[iron oriole]

basically people got upset that the time dilation isn't going to be a thing so they said "huzzah!! TIMELOOP!"

[red lagoon]

I’d prefer time dilation over time loop

[graceful grove]

NeroNami theory still alive

[ashen perch]

um it is going to be a thing

[warm sierra]

now I know why you think Elbaf gonna continue for 80 more chapters

[red lagoon]

Do they kee there memories

[wraith mantle]

Sabaody and the whole Duval thing was S tier.

[red lagoon]

I don’t like time travel

[red lagoon]

I LOVE SABAODY

SSS tier arc

[ashen perch]

yeah, the restart happens because of the supposed time fuckery in Elbaf basically

[wraith mantle]

Legoland in comparison is maybe high B tier

[stone tulip]

Of course

[red lagoon]

Do they keep there memory

[ashen perch]

only Usopp

[dark nymph]

that shit was hilarious

[graceful grove]

its the cheapest way to fuck up a story completely

[red lagoon]

Why does ussop keep his memory

[wraith mantle]

Niggas just keep adding Ss to their tiers 😭

[ashen perch]

Duval and the flying fish riders were fun too yeah

[hot cairn]

let’s not entertain this time loop idea it’s just a different version of the time dialation thing

[red lagoon]

man I’d put 10 Ss for SABAODY

[hot cairn]

both aren’t happening

[ashen perch]

Imu saves him for the last

[wraith mantle]

Arnolt said those words for a reason

[dark nymph]

Sabody 2.0 happening in elbaph mayhaps

[fringe escarp]

I do think the one piece world as a whole is on a sort of loop/cycle

[red lagoon]

Ts make no sense to me

[wraith mantle]

My boy is laying down the ground work for some time manipulation shenanigans

[fringe escarp]

Beating imu/blackbeard wouldn’t be the end

[hot cairn]

that was just Oda hyping things up

[ashen perch]

time fuckery in Elbaf is real and you will see it soon

[fringe escarp]

It doesn’t really make sense to be

[pine ridge]

I'm starting to think louis arnot was just a crackhead

[red lagoon]

Time dilation I could understand cause of what’s been said

[hot cairn]

nah

[red lagoon]

B ur this time loop seems too crazy

[fringe escarp]

ADVANCED crackhead?

[red lagoon]

But

[wraith mantle]

High on absinthe??

[fringe escarp]

Only a handful of heads

[ashen perch]

it is crazy yea, its not happening probably

but time dilation? very real, mega real, real as real gets

[pine ridge]

yeah and then he got robbed

[thick mango]

What is the evidence of elbaf time fuckery? It seems like people holding on to their speculation about the Louis Arnolt quote and refuse to let go no matter how much evidence rolls in to the contrary

[red lagoon]

I think time dilation has some argument to be made about it being true

[graceful grove]

what would be the purpose of it in the story?

[hot cairn]

yup

[red lagoon]

I think based on what gaban was sayin too

[wraith mantle]

I mean it’s a valid interpretation of the Arnot quote

Bro’s words were vague and did talk about time

[thick mango]

its reasonable speculation yes

[dark nymph]

ppl dont wanna accept that Louis was glazing Elbaph too hard

[thick mango]

based on nothing but that

[wraith mantle]

Vague piece does encourage crackhead theories

[ashen perch]

timeskip without skipping actual time

[wraith mantle]

And the giants living long lives ig

[ashen perch]

the gaban line

[thick mango]

show me what gaban, the man whos roughly the exact age we would expect, said

[graceful grove]

ill accept it if it means those mfs finally trains their haki and get character development

[warm sierra]

also there are giants living outside of elbaf

[dark nymph]

if Robin gets haki you can have whatever crackpot theory you want

[iron oriole]

time dilation was fun until i thought about how that would effect Imu who would have been at 2 places at once, feeling normal time & whatever the time dilation is on Elbaf via possession of Gunko

[wraith mantle]

We don’t know if those giants live long lives too

[ashen perch]

Gaban is as old as we expect him to be because he travels around

he does not...........

linger

[thick mango]

this is just people talking

old friends have conversations like this all the time without there being time dilation

[wraith mantle]

The idea is, Oda has laid out enough ground work that when time dilation is revealed, no one can call it an asspull

[ashen perch]

I havent ever told my friend ''wow 3 weeks? that must be like 3 years for you''

not that I am old but yknow

[thick mango]

youre not old enough probably.

[graceful grove]

it just feels long for gaban because it takes half a day for him to walk from his front door to his toilet

[thick mango]

ah yeah exactly, you gotta get old for things that happened a long time ago to feel like they just happened yesterday

[iron oriole]

i've definitely said to someone i haven't seen in a while "feels like i haven't seen you in years" & then they reply "nah its only been a couple months" basically the same thing

[glacial bear]

Louis Arnot

What a mysterious man

[graceful grove]

this is common

[ashen perch]

this explains his age being in the reasonable range

[urban lodge]

That's like the most normal old man thing to say ever

[thick mango]

if elbaf were in a comrpessed space of time, why would imu have to call away shamrock? Shouldnt he be able to easily finish the elbaf mission in the time pocket if relative time is moving more slowly in the outside world ?

[glacial bear]

I saw someone post that Arnot’s warning about “Don’t linger in Elbaph too long” might be why Imu Nerona is in a hurry

[ashen perch]

Gaban just never lingered for too long

[red lagoon]

If things are dire now then u can’t even risk him saying

[urban lodge]

There's like 50 things disproving time dilation already

[red lagoon]

Like what

[thick mango]

how does real time communication, like between mosa and loki, work through a filter of time dilation?

[red lagoon]

Anime

🔥

[hot cairn]

lmaooo

massive cope

[glacial bear]

They’ve been in Elbaph for so long that Gunko’s hair grew lmao

[thick mango]

why do the timelines of dorry and broggy, who were gone for a century, work out

[graceful grove]

except gorosei mentions imu leaving the castle is a problem, not going to elbaf

[glacial bear]

[urban lodge]

The fact that they age just the same as everyone outside Elbaf and Ripley saying the void century started 900 years ago

[glacial bear]

Well there’s a consequence

[ashen perch]

it just doesnt affect it? why should it lol

[red lagoon]

I see I see

[glacial bear]

A price, so to say

[thick mango]

what do you mean? communication is waves that travel through time? Shouldnt mosas words sound like slow motion to loki?

[ashen perch]

also I forgot to explain, but my belief is that the effect on time increases with altitude. I think underworld and sun realm are going to be pretty normal

there's gonna be a difference

but not a significant one

Heaven Realm is where it gets noticeably different

[graceful grove]

more importantly how does kid fail to dodge an attack that came from elbaf

[urban lodge]

But yeah Gaban is an old man saying old man things, and it's exacerbated by the fact that his son ages 3x slower than a human

[thick mango]

and the most glaring one is why does nobody mention this. Wouldnt it be well known to any giants who travel? Our dear friends wouldnt warn us about this? It would never come up?

[iron oriole]

i just want to know how it effects Imu who was at Marijoa & technically Elbaf at the same time

[thick mango]

this reminds me of dragon is coming to egghead where it was a cool idea in the beginning before the evidence against it piled up but people just kept on holding on

[graceful grove]

so the list of things thats in heaven realm..
Vivi
BM
Kid
Urouge
Burn scar man
Shirahoshi
Rogers egg
Rocks
Time dilation

[ashen perch]

there's levels to time dilation essentially

Heaven Realm>Sun Realm>Underworld, which is just normal as it is on the same altitude as the human world

[glacial bear]

Would be hilarious if we skip the Heaven realm

I’d be down for that honestly

[ashen perch]

there isnt any significant evidence piling up against this

[dark nymph]

would be funny if it was like 2 chapters

[ashen perch]

any issue can be handwaved away pretty easily

especially if it does work like I think it does

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/pierre-pierre-one-piece-one-piece-sky-island-skypiea-gif-3829238262147527292

[ashen perch]

Where it depends on where you actually are in Elbaf

[glacial bear]

Ganfall is such a badass old dude

[graceful grove]

this might be the only animal in op i don't like xd

[ashen perch]

She's not there but she will make it later
No
Yes
Yes
No
No
Yes
No
Yes

[thick mango]

it just stretches disbelief to me that it would never be mentioned and its effects would never be referenced

[ashen perch]

why would Rocks be in the Heaven Realm

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/gan-fall-pierre-pierre-one-piece-one-piece-bird-gif-16709481638698193526

[glacial bear]

Pierre 🥺

[ashen perch]

they were referenced by the humans who are aware of them

[graceful grove]

recovering with heralds cells

[vernal ravine]

wrong series

[thick mango]

when? Why didnt gaban say, ah well you know time goes more slowly on elbaf, when having that conversation instead of generic old man 'feels like it was yesterday' type shit

[ashen perch]

Qbz

nobody talks like that

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/seraphim-one-piece-warlords-s-snake-s-hawk-gif-1762938472987305791

[ashen perch]

no other-series please...

[thick mango]

if time moved 3x+ more slowly on elbaf people would absolutely bring it up

[graceful grove]

it won't be when imu summons Roger, Ace, WB, Saturn, BM and Kaido from hell

[glacial bear]

It’s like a cheat code

Oi wtf who deleted my message

[ashen perch]

he did, he just didnt look into the camera and say ''time dilation is real Shanks, and I am here to exposition drop here for you instead of bringing it up vaguely like a normal person would in a normal conversation''

[glacial bear]

putaaaa madreee

[urban lodge]

I'm sure it would be a known thing worldwide

[brittle basin]

It is a bit of a narrative convenience for Oda not to naturally bring it up if it's really happening. I could easily see the giants saying "hey, just so you know, time flows differently here."

[ashen perch]

Louis Arnot referenced it too, he was a lot less subtle about it

[thick mango]

oh hey captain who i know is in a race for the one piece that was just declared to the entire world by vegapunk. Welcome to my home. I know youre in a time sensitive competition for the fate of the world. but I see no reason to mention that every minute you spend here is 3 minutes other emperors can progress towards the one piece.

[dark nymph]

Louis Arnot loves vagueposting

[ashen perch]

yeah thats fine

[glacial bear]

Lmao imagine. Would be just as messed up as when the giants said “oh btw you’re drinking a hallucinogenic beverage!”

[ashen perch]

youre making the assumption that the giants are even aware of this

[brittle basin]

But, if time dilation is real - and I personally hope it's not - Oda may just be wanting it to be a surprise. I'm guessing countless regular (non-hardcore fans) will not see it coming.

[thick mango]

of course any giant who travels would be aware of this

[graceful grove]

this was a big miss from oda.

[thick mango]

this isnt some subtle thing that can just fade into the background

[ashen perch]

it can if the different isnt signficant enough for them

[dark nymph]

I'm not against any conventional trope tbh, I believe Oda can cook with all of them

[brittle basin]

I'd like to think after hundreds of years, someone on Elbaf might figure it out.

[glacial bear]

Oda is just putting too much at this point. Honestly

[thick mango]

if its not significant enough notice its not significant enough to have any impact on the story and its a pointless contrivance

[ashen perch]

with their longer lifespans, the giants dont have to really care about time being a little faster in the Sun Realm

the humans do

[glacial bear]

It’s cool. But- if you don’t have plans for them later on. It’s eh

Have em show up & then get bubbled for the rest of the arc

[ashen perch]

again, this is something that is clearly meant to be concerning for the humans only

[brittle basin]

Humans are on there, hopefully Gaban can see it happening or humans who have brought food to Elbaf's shores? Or how long does it take for you to notice the effect?

[urban lodge]

Is this not already more than enough to disprove it?

[dark nymph]

I saw someone mention that Mihawk might have packed up the bottom three

[glacial bear]

Anyways, Seraphim’s are the equivalent to Heralds Cells

Yeah whoever deleted

[thick mango]

if people go out for X months and return and only X/3 months have passed on elbaf thats going to be immediately obvious. For giants to not be aware of this we have to believe that no one noticed that discrepancy, or no one ever talked about it, or no one thought it was important enough to mention

[glacial bear]

Ohhh. Yeah I could see that

[ashen perch]

Non Giant Louis Arnot wrote that passage in the book for fellow non Giant adventurers

[glacial bear]

They were going to empty bluffs no?

Croc, Doffy, & Moria

[glacial bear]

Welp, what a failed attempt on WG’s part lol

Granted tho. They had Mihawk there.

[thick mango]

dorry and broggy were gone for 100 years! thats a 70 or 200 year gap depending on the direction youre going if we say its 3x. Its absurd to think no one notices that. Oh hey dorry and broggy we havent seen you in 30 years! actually its been 100 years for us. You cant handwave away 70 yeas with long giant lifespans

[ashen perch]

like I said, this would just be an expected part of their life

a normal for them, that they do not notice or even think about

[brittle basin]

I have no idea if they notice it or not

I'm more concerned if other humans have besides louis.

[ashen perch]

I think Gaban has an idea

and thats why he travels around very often

[brittle basin]

I'm not positive just yet

It would be slightly foolish of him not to tell the straw hats I think.

borderline cruel even

[glacial bear]

Who?

[brittle basin]

gaban

[glacial bear]

Oh. About what?

[brittle basin]

time dilation (if it's real)

[ruby moat]

shanks got so powerful from training in the hyperbolic time chamber that is elbaf

[thick mango]

irresponsible one might say, when the fate of the world relies on the race or the one piece

[glacial bear]

This is why I don’t see Gaban dying. He’s got something to show or tell the Straw Hats

[urban lodge]

It's not real so no need to worry

[brittle basin]

Now, I'm personally opposed to it, simply because I just don't want any time shenanigans outside Toki.

[glacial bear]

I hated Toki so much

[ashen perch]

give it 10 chapters

lol

[brittle basin]

Oh, I love Toki.

[glacial bear]

Sorry Momo, but I’m glad your mom is dead

[brittle basin]

I wonder if we'll be in the Heaven Realm in 10 chapter. You think Imu will have them on the run by then and himself back in Marijoa?

[ashen perch]

I think we'll have our first setup for the escape to heaven realm in 10 atleast, it should be getting namedropped as soon as it clicks for the crew that they need to get out

[brittle basin]

Can we post this as the server's version of "Worst Employee of the Month" but like "Most Horrible Comment of the Month"

[stone tulip]

Which one is the AI upscale ?

[ashen perch]

now, they wont be getting out of Elbaf

just the Sun Realm

[lofty fern]

Saw this vid and it outlined some really interesting ideas on why Vivi is going to come and why Imu had to be here to meet her. How long do we think we have until Vivi arrives?
https://youtu.be/c1-uwxNiEhU?si=tLPdZfe4xHpvZi_4

[glacial bear]

It won’t bring her back!

[brittle basin]

I do think Vivi could show up in Elbaf. Parachute into the Heaven Realm. Can Morgans fly, like literally?

[thick mango]

no he cant

remember he fell that one time

[brittle basin]

There is no god, and you killed him with your comment.

[ashen perch]

I dunno if his airship could fly that high

[lofty fern]

I'm sure he could go somewhere off the coast or something

[brittle basin]

oh no lol I mean literally Vivi flying on him

[lofty fern]

It would be just like him to just drop her into the water and she swims to shore

[ashen perch]

oh yea no that was specifically noted by Oda lol

that he cant fly

[glacial bear]

[brittle basin]

If Oda would just kill Kuma, so his fruit can reappear so Vivi can eat it......Goda.

[thick mango]

it seems weird to kill kuma now, egghead was his time to die

[ruby moat]

also kill baby 5 so usopp can eat her frut

[brittle basin]

Kuma won't die

[glacial bear]

Kuma will be repaired, somehow. Someway. Maybe even someday

[lofty fern]

One thing the guy mentioned in the video was that she might not know which island they went to and would check both elbaph and Winters Island. It'd be really cool. She ran into law and Bebo at the same time

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-you-to-kill-peter-parker-gif-978323220691741168

[ashen perch]

Kuma doesnt need to die to lose the fruit

he has already lost it

[glacial bear]

Kuma, Vegapunk, & Bonney I see going to aid the Revs after this

[ashen perch]

#ObserveTheHands

[scenic dirge]

lol

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure he still has it

[scenic dirge]

He does

Arsal is just crazy

[lofty fern]

Stop trying to hurt Kuma

[royal orchid]

something something teeth

[ashen perch]

he didnt use it since the hands™ moment

[glacial bear]

Kuma’s already dead. Sorta.

[ashen perch]

I dont know what to tell you guys

yes

[frail kindle]

what hands moment?

[ashen perch]

the Paw Paw fruit adds a paw print to Kuma's palms

[frail kindle]

ok yeah you're crazy

[ashen perch]

do you see it

do you see the paw print that he has always had since he had the fruit

no you dont

[thick mango]

i think its too rough to conclude

[lofty fern]

[glacial bear]

He’s mentally dead

[ashen perch]

no it really isnt

[frail kindle]

hey arsal, there have been panels where garp loses his scar

[ashen perch]

Oda fixes them glex

[trim lily]

well sometimes

[ashen perch]

this is the volume release

[trim lily]

he never fixed ethan’s sword

[ashen perch]

he can just do that

[frail kindle]

hey arsal, there have been panels with bb having all his teeth

[glacial bear]

Lmao

[lofty fern]

[ruby moat]

Kumas paws are like a cats claws where he can retract them n shit. He didn’t have them out when he picked up Bonney bc he didn’t want to accidentally send her across the world

[ashen perch]

yes, theres a reason for this but you wont like to hear it

[thick mango]

its scribblely i dunno what to tell you. This idea seems more possible to me though it very well could be. I just dont think this panel alone is enough

[ashen perch]

false, he wears a glove to cover them

they do not retract

[ruby moat]

They do now

[ashen perch]

no they dont

[ashen perch]

there is more then

[urban lodge]

I think it's possible he lost it, I just think Oda would draw attention to it

[frail kindle]

hey arsal, you're wrong

[royal orchid]

that guy from the invincibles trying to prove Dash put a whoopee cushion on his chair

[glacial bear]

K

I mean, idk what else to tell you

[ashen perch]

Saturn pressed his self destruct button, which in reality was a killswitch

[ruby moat]

Assuming he did lose it, is the logic that he died temporarily and came back? Or at what point does he lose it/how does he lose it

[ashen perch]

read the full page here

Kuma should be dead

[frail kindle]

if he died when saturn pressed the switch, then how did he use the fruit to get to egghead so quickly?

cmon arsal

think

[trim lily]

oh yeah

[vernal ravine]

its a good cope but not good enough

[trim lily]

he had to have had it up until he got to egghead at minimum

[ashen perch]

there's some buccaneer shenanigans

[thick mango]

bucaneers have some zombie spirit willpower that answers this. Who knows what exactly vegapunk wonders about it but trails off instead of finishing his sentence

[ashen perch]

that are meant to explain what is illogical

entirely illogical according to VP

glex

read

[frail kindle]

I'm reading your cope

[ashen perch]

its not meant to make any sense

[trim lily]

so it only went away the second he landed on egghead

[urban lodge]

Curse you Vegapunk for dying before exposition dumping

[ashen perch]

that is literally the idea here

[lofty fern]

VP only understands science, the heart and magic is beyond him

[ashen perch]

something about the Buccaneers allowed the impossible to be possible

[royal orchid]

magic is just science unexplained smh

[ruby moat]

I can buy that being a buccy is what prevented the kill switch from working

[frail kindle]

we got the clone in the bag, he'll explain after we leave elbaph

[trim lily]

please sommers destroy the clone box

someone save us

[ashen perch]

I dont think its merely willpower, I think they might straight up have another soul

[urban lodge]

But I want Imu to destroy the clone

[trim lily]

we can’t allow vegaclone to live

[lofty fern]

You know what would be horrible? Imu wasn't once a Lunarian, he actually used to be a buccaneer

[glacial bear]

Most likely

[urban lodge]

We don't need another Stella, Lilith can explain it to us

[frail kindle]

a buccanarian

a lunaneer

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-lonely-crying-peter-parker-tobey-maguire-gif-17744568

[frail kindle]

lunananeer

[ashen perch]

perhaps that is also going to explain why BB can eat multiple fruits

[trim lily]

a buccaneer who is a luna shipper

[thick mango]

yeah could be. Could be like a dozen different things vp musing doesnt give enough info to really narrow it down

[ashen perch]

true yea

[brittle basin]

You're not going the "Rocks is his soul" route, are you?

[lofty fern]

The BB is not a buccaneer...

[urban lodge]

But the fruit is tied to the body, not the soul, we know that because of Law's body swapping shenanigans

[ashen perch]

look

its possible

[brittle basin]

sure possible

[trim lily]

a lot of things in this world are possible

[ashen perch]

yeah sure ''its them, probably'' might be talking about his crew

[brittle basin]

i'd like the dead to stay dead in the context of Rocks though

[frail kindle]

thats how we have devil fruits, all the possibilities

[ashen perch]

but its yet to be debunked

[trim lily]

but that’s stupid

[ashen perch]

people pretend like it has to be his crew that Zoro and Luffy were talking about

like its been confirmed somehow

but its not

[trim lily]

why would zoro and luffy know blackbeard secretly has another soul in him

just think about it

[ashen perch]

observation?

[brittle basin]

Is there a line hinting that Zoro and Luffy know such a thing?

[dark nymph]

haki

[trim lily]

no

[vernal ravine]

thats the most headcanon op moment i've seen

[trim lily]

they can use haki to notice but not a single other soul

[ashen perch]

Luffy knew which Mr.3 was the real one, Zoro sensed his swords beneath a mountain pile of rocks and even he was baffled by it