also-manga

[ashen perch]

I dont think Zoro can handle Omen Sommers

[graceful belfry]

Damn

No faith

[ashen perch]

neither can Sanji

[frigid gulch]

Why not

[keen quiver]

Omen Sommers about to lose to a 10hp zoro

[graceful belfry]

Not even an extreme diff

[frigid gulch]

It entirely depends on how big the boost is

[prisma yacht]

Killy about to have jimbei for lunch

[frigid gulch]

But theyre trash to them without it

[pulsar timber]

Not that they need it but I’m just trying to find something for the others to do. Gunko being free is 50/50 too. So I wonder if they help out the wings or if imu creates a bunch of demon monsters for them to fight

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ahh-dance-gif-12728768147103441313

[ashen perch]

we're looking at two weakened characters v two boosted ones

[pulsar timber]

Zoro and Sanji will evolve to beat them arsal

[keen quiver]

Trust this arc is definitely sabaody 2.0

[leaden rivet]

Them being weakened is what makes the fight fair Arsal

[muted hedge]

ultimately this arc will probably end with the straw hats fleeing

[frigid gulch]

Injuries wont matter that much

[pulsar timber]

Zoro gets stronger coc and Sanji unlocks co to win

[prisma yacht]

Raid will fail

[frigid gulch]

And yea exactly

[ashen perch]

Zoro is not evolving, Sanji will maybe show a glimpse of CoC but it wont happen right now

[muted hedge]

Elbaph will fall to ruins

[graceful belfry]

I mean, that’s a fair point. The others don’t really have too much to do rn in the way of fighting

[keen quiver]

Raid will fail true

[prisma yacht]

[frigid gulch]

Injuries would only even it

[pulsar timber]

Zoro is evolving. Why would gaban mention his weak coc control

[urban lodge]

Idk I think Zoro might tame Enma here

[frigid gulch]

If they have to be injured AND boosted

[graceful belfry]

Tell me what’s going on with Chopper, Oda

[frigid gulch]

That’s what needed for at least a decent fight

[muted hedge]

the adam tree will be cut and the heaven realm will crumble

[ashen perch]

ACoC** wont happen right now

[graceful belfry]

Rip the band aid off

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t guarantee victory for them

[pulsar timber]

Oda clearly wants to evolve Zoros usage and make him stronger for it. An Sanji is gonna get cocting

[frigid gulch]

Even if theyre weakened

[ashen perch]

this only makes sense if the HKs werent boosted lol

[keen quiver]

He's just gonna lock in learn how to control it and cut Sommers heart to pieces

[frigid gulch]

Because they also needed the boost

[leaden rivet]

The boost is the equalizer. It’s why Sanji called them bums before.

[frigid gulch]

lol

[keen quiver]

Then people will say they expected zoro was gonna win

[urban lodge]

The talk about haki with Gaban seems to indicate that

[ashen perch]

weakened Zoro and Sanji = HKs makes sense, with a boost? thats stupid

[keen quiver]

And that saying Sommers winning was clearly never happening

[frigid gulch]

Zoro’s injuries might not even be that severe

[pulsar timber]

At this stage I don’t see characters showing or unlocking coc without also getting cocting. Especially someone as observant as Sanji. He will figure it out mid fight if he has to especially since gaban likely told them the weakness

[graceful belfry]

Sommers and Killy are definitely at the strongest we’ve seen them. I don’t think that amounts to them giving Zoro and Sanji a brutal beat down

[leaden rivet]

Zoro and Sanji are that strong

[ashen perch]

lmao

[frigid gulch]

No it doesn’t lol

[keen quiver]

The boost is a huge red flag they losing

[frigid gulch]

Even injured Zoro and Sanji murk them

[woeful plaza]

How come noone is talking about the Mudra AKA Buddha Hand Sign as the reference for Imu’s Omen Technique?

[ashen perch]

he's clutching his entire body and lying in a pool of his blood bro

[frigid gulch]

Without the boost

[keen quiver]

They already have crutches from the pact

[frigid gulch]

There’s no pool of blood

[inner agate]

sanji can handle omen

[ashen perch]

Sanji was being an idiot

[frigid gulch]

It’s bad scans + shading

[prisma yacht]

Blukos alt is typing

[keen quiver]

Omen on top can't do much

[sterile fjord]

are they stronger than shamrock, gunko and garling???

[muted hedge]

he was laying in a pool of blood

[graceful belfry]

Someone go grab the Mink Meth ASAP

[pulsar timber]

Yeah agreed. Zoro and Sanji evolve their haki usage/take whatever in order to be able to damage thee creatures sufficiently and win

[frigid gulch]

No he wasn’t

[prisma yacht]

Blukos alt sent a msg

[ashen perch]

there is blood in the raws

[pulsar timber]

I’m not sure what’ll happen with Funko

[leaden rivet]

Arsal you don’t need to try to powerscale while Oda is doin it for you

[muted hedge]

he literally was

[frigid gulch]

Show it

[keen quiver]

Easiest set up for a double win ive ever seen

[viscid zealot]

I have no clue why imu in Elbaf.

[wraith mantle]

this what shanks did to kidd

[leaden rivet]

The HK couldn’t stand up to the wings until they got boosted

[prisma yacht]

Killy rushed in with overconfidence

[hot cairn]

[prisma yacht]

Sommers got done by Luffy

[frigid gulch]

That’s not a pool lol

[leaden rivet]

Now it’s more of a fair fight

[frigid gulch]

That one side is his shoulder pad

[prisma yacht]

You can't really scale how strong they're with this

[muted hedge]

literally gripping his arm

[frigid gulch]

The other side is shading

[ashen perch]

Illya, the whole point of the scene was that the knights were being underestimated while the crew was overestimating itself too. If you dont get this, I dont know what to tell you.

[frigid gulch]

The shoulder pad ye

[keen quiver]

Putting way too much faith on qillingham and sommers

[wraith mantle]

the hks got boosted? when?

[muted hedge]

omen

[graceful belfry]

Dude thank you

I see that panel clearly now

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/go-on-gollum-my-precious-gif-10877364535161632621

[wraith mantle]

they got revived we dont know if their powers increased

[frigid gulch]

The scans really do be terrible ngl

[leaden rivet]

The whole point of the scene is to show how strong the strawhats have gotten , if you don’t know this I don’t know what to tell you

[muted hedge]

definitely implied given that Sommer launched 20 feet up in the air directly after

[ashen perch]

no it was not lol

[leaden rivet]

They weren’t being underestimated they were just bums that need an amp to stand up to the wings

[frigid gulch]

These mfs like flying six Lebel

[ashen perch]

Qilingham literally told him ''yea yea keep on underestimating us''

[frigid gulch]

level

So nothing

[ashen perch]

delusional

[frigid gulch]

Not at all

[leaden rivet]

Yeah the talking head said that

[graceful belfry]

I can’t wait to see officials lol

[ashen perch]

because 3 men jumped him lol

[frigid gulch]

What kinda showings indicate theyre better

[graceful belfry]

The AI upscale shit is horrific

[frigid gulch]

Did they ?

[graceful belfry]

Yes lol

[frigid gulch]

We only saw the aftermath

[graceful belfry]

Oh

[ashen perch]

Sanji, Franky and Jinbe were being awfully cocky after handling one man together

[graceful belfry]

You’re not talking to me

[pulsar timber]

YOUR EGO IS TOO BIG

[graceful belfry]

LMFAO

[ashen perch]

they were all holding different parts of QIlingham King

lets not even began to deny this

[frigid gulch]

Also it doesn’t make sense that Sanji is saying theyre weak asf and then in the same breath Youre saying they had to jump him

[sterile fjord]

Especially franky!!

[ashen perch]

that is the point

[frigid gulch]

That proves nothing

[ashen perch]

they were being cocky over it, they were being stupid

[frigid gulch]

They coulda been binding the parts after Sanji dealy with him

[ashen perch]

buddy

they came out of the smoke, each holding a different part with them

[muted hedge]

Sanji snuck him too

[frigid gulch]

But they weren’t

They genuinely are weak

[ashen perch]

no they arent

[frigid gulch]

Relative to Sanji’s expectations

Of what they shoulda been

[hot cairn]

@ashen perch they've clearly been given a boost to be able to fight Zoro and Sanji

[muted hedge]

they almost took control of all of Elbaph, what do you mean

[hot cairn]

the boost puts them evenly now

[ashen perch]

Qilingham was fine with being underestimated, because he knows that they are underestimating them

[frigid gulch]

I specified

[keen quiver]

This is gonna put them on even ground and the strawhats will prove hard work > privilege

[leaden rivet]

Whether they jumped them or not, it doesn’t really matter because Sanji is smart enough to know how strong they are after fighting them lol

[frigid gulch]

Sanji’s expectations were higher

[lofty fern]

That's blood, you can see it all over his body

[frigid gulch]

No you can’t

The body is shading too

[ashen perch]

Sanji's expectations were higher and at the same time, Sanji was not actually grasping how much of a threat they are

[frigid gulch]

Yet no “threat” was shown in combat

[keen quiver]

Id just wait for official scans

[muted hedge]

the whole point is that they are being underestimated, Killingham even said it

[ashen perch]

thats why Qilingham repeats that okay cool, go ahead, underestimate us now

[frigid gulch]

Because of Daddy Imu yea

[keen quiver]

Qillingham has an ego the size of the Adam tree

[frigid gulch]

[graceful belfry]

I don’t think the boost is necessarily taking them back to ground zero. I’m not under the impression that they’re on the same level they were prior to the Omen. Otherwise it’s kinda meaningless imo. But, yeah, they should be strong enough to give Zoro and Sanji a good fight. Having them massacre the two lads wouldn’t be great

[pulsar timber]

He said that not knowing he’d get an ome

[ashen perch]

^^

[keen quiver]

Why are we taking rich spoiled slavers at their word ?

His ego was bruised

[ashen perch]

he had no clue that Imu was coming lol

[frigid gulch]

Omen doesn’t matter

He was there

[warm sierra]

He was literally shocked Imu came to Elbaf this is cap

[ashen perch]

He was talking about himself and the knights

[pulsar timber]

That’s what I said

[ashen perch]

not Imu

[warm sierra]

I didnt see the „not“ tbh

[lofty fern]

Okay, well that "shading" is oozing out of him and causing him to fade from "shade-loss" 😆

[pulsar timber]

Most literate one piece fan (I’m also illiterate)

What are even the sides right now

Obviously the omen boosted knights will be a challenge for Zoro and Sanji so what’s the problem

[frigid gulch]

Yes and they were entirely incapable of doing anything in that situation. He’s just yapping like usual or he is referring to Imu

[graceful belfry]

Yuppies

[pulsar timber]

I kick puppies

[lofty fern]

It honestly depends on how good of shape Sanji and Zoro are in. I have a feeling the knights are going to be busy considering how Summers seems to have had orders after Imu gave him a boost

[graceful belfry]

Araki wants to sign you to a 360 deal

[frigid gulch]

If Killingham’s head exploded after Ifrit, it’s easy for Sanji to just do the same to the body if he has the strat in mind

[hot cairn]

yeah

the problem is arsal saying Zoro and Sanji cant beat them lol

[leaden rivet]

Arsal thinks they’ll win

[ashen perch]

Its definitely not about Imu. Yeah he's not in a good position himself, but he's talking about the knights as a group. He's calling them stupid for thinking that what they did makes them superior.

[ashen perch]

yeah they cant do it alone

they wont need to

but they cant do it alone

[pulsar timber]

I see

[wanton sundial]

ohohoh mr arsalwise! can we reduce the slowmode on main manga pretty please

[lofty fern]

I actually have a feeling they won't beat them here. At least not with the set up we have

[hot cairn]

lol yes they can and 100% will

[pulsar timber]

Yeah I think Zoro and Sanji will be able to win on their own. Through a struggle to evolve of course but they’ll be able to do it

If that’s what Oda grants us

[prisma yacht]

Assuming if he gets to him which won't be the case this time , killy certainly won't be rash and just dive in

[muted hedge]

Zoro and Sanji both beaten bloody will be capable of taking down revived God Knights

[pulsar timber]

I do not see them being strong enough to become mini raid bosses that need several emperor commanders to beat

[hot cairn]

I think they will

[muted hedge]

that's just bad writing then

[ashen perch]

I think it depends on how long the Imu fight goes, if its meant to wrap up quickly then Sommers and Qilly are going to overwhelm their opponents.

[hot cairn]

they're fine

[pulsar timber]

They’re not gonna be down that bad lol

It hurts but they’ll be aight. They’ve survived worse

[warm sierra]

One Piece dmg always exaggerated

[muted hedge]

Zoro looks like he is near death

[ashen perch]

if the outcome is a quick win for Imu, then its a quick win for the rest too

[hot cairn]

yea

[lofty fern]

I'm thinking we're going to go with a loss here, at least where the SHs confidence is concerned

[urban lodge]

Not really

Zoro has survived way worse

[pulsar timber]

He clashed with and scarred kaido with 40 broken bones

That’s literally nothing

[hot cairn]

then what happens? Elbaph just falls to the WG?

[graceful belfry]

They were in great shape prior to Imu giving them the beats . Which, to me, implies that, at good health, they’d still be too big of a problem for the Omen boosted Knights of God. Gotta make the playing field more even. Unless Oda wants to subvert things and have them both take a serious L, in which case I’m not even sure which direction the story would be going in anymore

[hot cairn]

what happens to the strawhats?

[lofty fern]

People don't realize that Zoro is not the one saying "damn it". That's from an onlooker

[ashen perch]

Revos will save them

[muted hedge]

alright he better get up next chapter then

[pulsar timber]

Revos not coming bluddy

[leaden rivet]

Everyone’s always so obsessed with the strawhats losing

[pulsar timber]

No way they make it here fast enough

[ashen perch]

they 100% are

[pulsar timber]

If they even planned to

[scenic dirge]

Imu is the only villain that can't be defeated here. I dont see the issue with the 2 knights being defeated tho. I'm more concerned about Zoro and Sanji getting the powerups that they clearly need for the upcoming war. These 2 knights are largely expendable villains that don't have to have a role further down the line. But we already have set up for the wings getting stronger because they aren't good enough yet to properly support Luffy in the way they need to

[muted hedge]

people don't want to realize it

[keen quiver]

Din't you hear jesus this is sabaody 2.0

[lofty fern]

Didn't they have to give him mink medicine to do anything after that?

[ocean totem]

Nah, Imu's going to get blasted back to Mariejois at the very worst, if even that

[ashen perch]

they will already be coming, they would have left days ago

[frigid gulch]

Why is it definitely not about him ? He can’t do shit so it’s just talk. Sanji even says “I’d like to believe that” in response to Franky’s proclamation meaning he’s not even entirely giving credit to their strength. The emphasis is just on their weakness

[ocean totem]

It seemed to be extremely taxing getting there, they may just let it go because of losing energy

[leaden rivet]

Zoro still needs to be yonko level by the end of the story so he’s gotta hurry up

[hot cairn]

yep

[frigid gulch]

Zoro IS the one saying damn it

[pulsar timber]

Yes but he still clashed with and scarred kaido with 40 broken bones. Law even questioned how he was alive and doing it

[frigid gulch]

He’s clutching his shoulder

He’s conscious

[ocean totem]

Especially if it's taking a ton of power just letting them stay there, like keeping a bungie cord from retracting at its peak

[hot cairn]

[keen quiver]

Speaking with some actual sense

[scenic dirge]

Well yea, the fact that we saw Imu spit blood when they arrived makes it pretty clear to me that that's really the only way out for the SHs

[hot cairn]

that's my reaction to that

[ashen perch]

I think structurally, youre just not gonna have a fight continuing if Imu wins real quick

[keen quiver]

Imu vomiting blood is just for the love of the game

And won't come up trust

[lofty fern]

I think the problem is that they will never be Imu's level no matter the power up. That's just not their role, so they need a new metric

[ashen perch]

like it just doesnt make any sense, if Imu takes care of Luffy and Loki, he's going in to take care of everyone else.

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think Imu will lose but I also don’t think Loki and Luffy are getting crushed

[prisma yacht]

They will eventually win yes , but sommers and killy will absolutely rock them during the early stages

[knotty root]

Luffy and Loki gonna shout "We are one piece!" and send imu back to mariejois

[frigid gulch]

I think Loki will look decent

Just for the first real fight

[leaden rivet]

Remember Saturn practically no diffed Sanji also and then he got punched around the rest of his short life after

[frigid gulch]

But he can’t win

[muted hedge]

i think they're going to get crushed but Imu's "time limit" will save them from certain death

[pulsar timber]

Why though? And weren’t they at base while listening to the vegapunk? message? Had to have been because kuma left the same day or like one day before the message was spread. And elbaf was one or two days away from egghead so it isn’t possible from what we have seen

[frigid gulch]

Doffy vs Law Luffy seems pretty appropriate

As a parallel

[keen quiver]

It feels we had these exact same conversations when the gorosei dropped

[warm sierra]

Dragon hax….

[scenic dirge]

Not saying they need to get stronger to fight Imu. More so about the final war opponents, likely the Gorosei who also have these insane powers. Gaban has already made it clear to Zoro (and by extension Sanji) that they're not where they need to be

[frigid gulch]

I guess another thing is if the knights die

Imu will be nerfed by that

[keen quiver]

Ah thats how imu is being banished, the damage from them both dying

[lofty fern]

Imu has the strongest haki seen in series, I can't see him being "blasted" anywhere. And certainly not by anyone on this island. What I can see is him leaving of his own accord, either from running out of time, or because he found someone that he's going to take with him to the holy land

[keen quiver]

[ashen perch]

Sanji is giving credit to their strength though, he's just not fully sure about it like Franky who is entirely confident that they have just gotten too strong for enemies lmao

[keen quiver]

Oda cooking

[leaden rivet]

Having strong yonko like Luffy and Loki get crushed is silly

[frigid gulch]

There’s no chance Zoro won’t target the heart

Once he faces one

[leaden rivet]

Especially in a 2v1

[frigid gulch]

Just depends if he can land it

[muted hedge]

it's really not considering that they're going up against the god of the world, the literal root of the evil which has shaped the world as they know it

[keen quiver]

Yeah they dying to indirectly mess imu up while he fights luffy and loki

[muted hedge]

if it's anyone who they'll be crushed by, it should be Imu

[ashen perch]

@pulsar timber I explained the Revos thing here before

[pulsar timber]

Dragon can make it from paradise to deep new world in a day?

[leaden rivet]

They shouldn’t be crushed by anyone

[muted hedge]

i disagree

[frigid gulch]

Not really. He’s saying I want to believe that but the fact these scum brought Elbaf to it knees sickening. Implying that theyre horrible people but also weak

[lofty fern]

Thats's a maybe. He's only nerfed if he's not expecting it. With Saturn he wasn't nerferd by his death at all. We don't even know how much the nerf is other than Imu simply saying he was "affected"

[leaden rivet]

How is Luffy ever going to catch up in strength if he’s getting no diffed in his peak form as a yonko with Loki there with him?

[prisma yacht]

Everyone who expects extreme humiliation of loki and Luffy are soon to be proven wrong

[leaden rivet]

Being on the winning side of 2v1 with these strong characters is enough

[frigid gulch]

Saturn was taken out by Imu himself

[leaden rivet]

No diffing them opens the way to end game shonen power cliffing

[vernal ravine]

imu is not crashing luffy im sure of that the nika fruit is a counter

[prisma yacht]

There's a reason these dfs are feared

[frigid gulch]

So it can just be different based on forcible death vs Imu taking things back

[muted hedge]

i don't see the fault of our heroes suffering a fate which will lead them to grow even stronger

[scenic dirge]

This definitely isn't his peak lol. Until the final chapter, there's always room for growth and random powerups

[lofty fern]

Okay, so if he's weak then why should we at all be interested in a fight with them?

[warm sierra]

The difference is probably that Imu got to get rid of the contract instead of it being forceful

[frigid gulch]

Because they’re buffed lol

[leaden rivet]

It’s his peak form

Is what I meant

[frigid gulch]

I certainly wasn’t interested in fighting them

[ashen perch]

Youre not really proving anything with this though, like I said, its a moment where they both overestimate themselves and underestimate their enemies. Thats what Qilingham immediately calls out.

[frigid gulch]

Before that

[stone terrace]

Gear 6 coming 🔜

[deep chasm]

I mean I wonder tho, its possible he isnt getting destroyed in his peak form, he just cant last long enough in it

[pulsar timber]

I don’t see how they could reach elbaf in 2 days (how long it took to get from egghead to elbaf according to the narrator) even if they wanted to get to him. No wind fruit is doing that I’m afraid

[deep chasm]

though realistically I see him getting destroyed anyway, so maybe its haki buffs on the way

[muted hedge]

i think it's clear that Luffy is far away from mastering Gear 5

[deep chasm]

luffy gotta reach joyboy level haki one day

[scenic dirge]

Well yea but there's still a million different ways he could and likely will have to get stronger. Like firstly, I don't really understand how Luffy is supposed to stand any chance currently until the stamina thing is addressed more

[prisma yacht]

Maybe they can use deep sea travel

[leaden rivet]

I’ve had this conversation a billion times by now just going to wait and see next week

[lofty fern]

Yes, but that means the act of their death is not what the issue is. I think if Imu is prepared for his minion's death it doesn't affect him. With Harald it was more like a rubber band suddenly snapping back and Imu wasn't prepared for the sudden cut to the contract.

[knotty root]

Luffy's not in his hybrid form ya? Or Is that not confirmed

[graceful belfry]

Haki is essentially what’s left on the table for Luffy to get better at

[deep chasm]

The clear things are having more time in g5 and having haki on the level of joyboy

[pulsar timber]

Stamina thing is just gonna get better as arcs progress like the rest of his gears

He needs better haki

[deep chasm]

if he has those maybe he can fight imu

[muted hedge]

he definitely needs more experience with gear 5 in general too

[wet condor]

He can get some of that this arc, yeah

[graceful belfry]

I’d agree, yeah. The whole time limit thing has to dissipate at some point

[muted hedge]

i assure you all that when we see the void century flashbacks we're going to see Joyboy do things which current Luffy could only dream of, with Nika's power

[deep chasm]

I hope so

[pulsar timber]

I think Zoro will tame Enma so he gets control of his coc and isn’t leaking it all the time making it more potent (haki mass mentioned by garp or roger) an Sanji will unlock cocting and be good because he’s not an idiot

[scenic dirge]

I think Imu is gonna more "defeat himself" with whatever drawbacks he has from coming here more so than be pushed back in any meaningful way from Luffy or Loki is all I'm saying. They'll probably hold their own to some degree but yea

[pulsar timber]

Luffy will get his ass kicked a bit though

[muted hedge]

that's probably going to be lesser as the arcs go on, but i mean techniques and general experience of how to use the different faccets of the power

[wet condor]

Yea

[deep chasm]

vivi will save the day

[frigid gulch]

But it is. It’s exactly as implied there. And it’s not just true either. The only doing that is Franky. Franky saying what he said doesn’t imply he and Jinbe helped. It’s just speaking as a collective for all of them

[frigid gulch]

He may not necessarily be prepared for that here either

[deep chasm]

personally I hope there is a short training montage at the end of elbaf with scopper

[frigid gulch]

Maybe he thinks they shouldn’t be beaten with Omen

[muted hedge]

Gaban would be such a perfect teacher for it, it would be a waste if they didn't get any training from him

[deep chasm]

idk how realistic it is, but Id love that. They could finally realize theres even stronger people than the yonko and decide to train some. Luffy gets better stamina, zoro and sanji got their acoc, and the others idk, maybe this is where they get haki

[frigid gulch]

Enma is already tamed

[prisma yacht]

Sommers will gobble up his heart in the next chapter it's gonna be so nasty

[pulsar timber]

That would be cool although I’m not sure Oda would do it. At least I think he will have them all train but it may be offscreen or shown a little bit to not spoil whatever they’ve done for the next fight

[frigid gulch]

Just needs to probably reduce the time limit

[prisma yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317083128099242014/1494082104844226712/1462474068337889514-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[graceful belfry]

Mhm. What you bring up here is valid. He certainly needs some work on how to utilize the form to its fullest potential

[muted hedge]

even the likes of Jarul could probably teach them a few things, given he was the strongest warrior 300 years ago

[muted hedge]

yeah

[deep chasm]

Yea Im not sure oda would do it either, but I'll hope for it. And yea imo it'd be an offscreen thing, and just for like 1 month or something

[frigid gulch]

But yea the control is probably crude

[ashen perch]

I dont really think it matters. BB makes it to Amazon Lily from Hachinosu very quickly as well, and Hachinosu is further ahead than Elbaf is while Amazon Lily is on the paradise side of the Calm Belt, same paradise where Kamabakka is.

[pulsar timber]

I mean it’s not really tamed all the way if he has to nearly die to use coc. As in have his haki drained so badly. Maybe tamed is the wrong word but he hasn’t fully mastered it if he is having to keep from becoming a haki husk

[frigid gulch]

So Imu’s haki > Joyboy’s ?

[muted hedge]

most likely

we've still not seen Imu's strongest haki

like we've seen Joyboys

[frigid gulch]

It’s strange

Imu’s blast only KOs the kids

[ashen perch]

''WE just got too strong'' doesnt imply any help, okay, lol.

[prisma yacht]

Maki haki

[frigid gulch]

If the blast was supposed to be stronger

[pulsar timber]

That’s several weeks vs 2 days. And we knew Blackbeard was on the move and Oda hasn’t shown dragon to be even wanting to move to anywhere specfic

[frigid gulch]

Idt Oda portrayed it well

[scenic dirge]

I'm just not a fan of how arbitrary the g5 stamina drawback is. It's like 100x more egregious and inexplicable than his other gears. Like even g4 was given a somewhat clear time limit

[frigid gulch]

Besides statements

[vernal ravine]

he fall on his knees when he sensed his haki, clearly joyboy's was better

[knotty root]

It's inconsistent, earlier when he possessed gunko it knock out adult giants aswell

[ashen perch]

no it wasnt several weeks caleb, it was a day

[stone terrace]

Coc haki blasts are inconsistent

[prisma yacht]

Deep sea travels deep sea travels

[frigid gulch]

Yup

[stone terrace]

Garp knocked out NOBODY on hachinosu

[pulsar timber]

He did not make it to Amazon lily in a day

[frigid gulch]

But you can have him affect like Chopper or something

[ashen perch]

he did, took him even less than a day actually

[scenic dirge]

Yea I was saying this yesterday lol

[graceful belfry]

I think Joyboy is meant to be the current pinnacle rn, but Imu shouldn’t be too far off, if not outright equal.

[grand flower]

That we know of

[grand flower]

Nah. Chopper just that real

[knotty root]

But considering the fact you were able to feel it almost everywhere on elbaf is something you should consider because egghead is small compared to it

[prisma yacht]

Dunno why ppl laugh at kid smh

[wet condor]

Yeah. Joyboy knocked out the Vice Admirals which is supposed to be a huge thing. If you want an explanation, Joyboy infused his "strongest Haki" into that knot that he gave to Emeth. It's him deliberately making it as potent as possible, while you can say that Imu's Conq Haki burst was more casual

[grand flower]

I’d rather chopper be that tough now than have him be affected by Imus Haki

[scenic dirge]

I get you can't really knock out the main characters for plot reasons but for the strongest haki they've ever felt, not a fan of how binary the threshold is for resisting it. You either get KO'd or you're essentially unaffected

[grand flower]

Fantastic for chopper you go lil nigga

[wet condor]

Chopper getting knocked out is permissible lol

[prisma yacht]

Random fuck ass pirates vs trained members of kaido's big incoming war pirates

[frigid gulch]

Yea. It means they’re strong as a collective. He’s gassing each member. It doesn’t mean he helped lol

[prisma yacht]

Smfh

[leaden rivet]

Who’s the strongest character that’s been coc diffed?

[wet condor]

I wouldn't care really. But good for him too. At this point, none of the SHs are getting knocked out

[frigid gulch]

Shanks KOd VAs

[muted hedge]

it was literally just from them arriving there, lol

[grand flower]

No one would be shocked or anything but a one piece where chopper is fine under Imus Haki is better than a one piece where he fell out or something

Real nigga chopper

[frigid gulch]

Brought Momonga to his knees

[scenic dirge]

I'd like if there was a middle ground where some of the "weaker" characters who don't get KO'd from it are still clearly affected by it, maybe even immobilized or heavily restricted

[frigid gulch]

So did Joyboy

[native cloud]

Shanks

[prisma yacht]

That one fishman

[prisma yacht]

Is the movie even canon

[grand flower]

That’s Big Chop now

Blocking Elders and Emperors

[frigid gulch]

Bits of it are

[grand flower]

Imus Haki is fine

That’s my doctor

[leaden rivet]

Well chopper is stronger than most VA’s however Imu’s haki is possibly stronger than shanks

[frigid gulch]

Unless Gaban is talking about its sinister vibe

[grand flower]

I think it’s the nature of it rather than the potency

[frigid gulch]

Indeed but it would depend on the gap

[native cloud]

lol someone on here said Gaban might die

[graceful belfry]

Demonic aura

[native cloud]

Why would Oda do that?

[frigid gulch]

You think it’s a decent bit stronger

[grand flower]

He might

[ashen perch]

this is just denial but its fine, we'll see what I mean soon anyways

[frigid gulch]

Or a tiny bit ?

[scenic dirge]

possibly stronger than shanks
The fact that one could even feasibly say this is disgusting

[native cloud]

Nhaa

[scenic dirge]

Damn you Oda

[grand flower]

Why did Yasui die

[urban lodge]

I think we just gotta suspend our disbelief a little because no important character is getting knocked out by coc

[leaden rivet]

Imu’s first time in a while coming down to earth someone’s gotta die

And it should be Gaban

[muted hedge]

it should be Jarul

[native cloud]

[muted hedge]

but Gaban is passable

[frigid gulch]

You have admirals being affected by it

[native cloud]

I can’t believe you guys

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t even have to KO Chopper

[scenic dirge]

Gaban already had his near death sacrificial moment

[grand flower]

The supernova resisting Rayleigh’s Haki set up ages ago that the raw blast is for truly bottom of the barrel

[scenic dirge]

He's safe

[frigid gulch]

Just have him feel something

[ashen perch]

No SH should ever be getting overwhelmed by anyone's CoC, they are built different

[native cloud]

Exactly

[scenic dirge]

Jarul is definitely a candidate for the ol deatheroo tho

[grand flower]

Nah

[hot cairn]

I mean, is it a crazy thing to even say? lol

[grand flower]

This is better cause chopper is tuffer for this

Fuck that

Let him be Big Chop

[scenic dirge]

I'm saying it should be

[leaden rivet]

If Usopp took Shanks coc blast he used on Greenbull he’ll be fine?

[native cloud]

Jarul is very much possible

[scenic dirge]

But it's sadly not

[muted hedge]

it's suprising that Imu didn't kill him when he was in the village

[grand flower]

Why should Oda have done the less cooler thing

[hot cairn]

he also has plot armor

[ashen perch]

yes, he's a conqueror

[pulsar timber]

That doesn’t make sense to me unless Oda fucked the timeline. 1 month ago was the reverie incident. Blackbeard sets sail for Amazon lily. From present day, several weeks earlier the Amazon lily battle took place. So it could have been a week or two taken to get to to Amazon lily

[leaden rivet]

Ohhhhhh brother

[glacial bear]

Nobody is getting Deathpacito’d in this arc

[frigid gulch]

Imagine lol

[knotty root]

A 17 old reindeer could handle a coc blast better then as full grown giant btw

[grand flower]

Theyre a YONKO crew

[frigid gulch]

Let’s be serious

[grand flower]

It’s insane

[graceful belfry]

Idk. There’s not really good reasoning for it to happen. Especially since we’ve got a potential check to cash with Gaban

[leaden rivet]

Arsal you’re such an unserious person

[native cloud]

Thinking the SHs are fodder to Imu’s Haki is straight up rage bate

You guys are funny

[grand flower]

The Straw Hats standard now is that scene where shanks used Haki on Whitebeard’s crew @leaden rivet where they, including shanks, acknowledge he’s not restraining it

[glacial bear]

What else is new

[grand flower]

Why would the straw hats be affected when Whitebeard’s core crew was not

[frigid gulch]

I guess in fairness maybe the sudden snipe of super strong conquerors caught him by surprise but

[grand flower]

Did we just forget that happened

[native cloud]

Hmmm. What about Jarul?

[graceful belfry]

Jarul can go yeah

He’s completely expendable

[leaden rivet]

I also feel like the haki disabled his fruit transformation also

Like joyboys did

[frigid gulch]

I do too

[pulsar timber]

Don’t kill jarul. He needs to find a woman older than him

[frigid gulch]

The Gorosei were also huffing after Joyboy’s haki

[ashen perch]

I am serious, nearly all the time.

[leaden rivet]

And Usopp is standing tall to that? Be so fr

[frigid gulch]

Whether that’s cause haki is poisonous or something

Idk

But it worked

[knotty root]

Js ask moria to get a zombie from the void century or smth

[ashen perch]

yupp

[frigid gulch]

That’s a visible effect

[grand flower]

There is the distinct possibility that happened because the Haki neutralized DF powers

[hot cairn]

why does everyone but arsal ignore you lol @grand flower

[native cloud]

I don’t know about yall, but I like Loki but I don’t see how he gets out of this alive or experiencing a near death scenario

[grand flower]

Them moving through the Abyss seems rooted in a DF power

[wet condor]

Oda's never having Usopp getting knocked out from a Conq blast. But if that has Greenbull buckling then, hypothetically, it should have Usopp lol

[graceful belfry]

Rest in peace, female Imu theories. That was genuinely his only hope

[glacial bear]

I don’t ignore him

[leaden rivet]

While I do believe Usopp deserves conquerors I don’t think Oda believes the same

[grand flower]

I ask questions about their thought processes that they can’t reconcile and it makes em uncomfortable

[glacial bear]

Facts

[frigid gulch]

Usopp green bean shooting ass still KO after calling Imu out 🥀

[glacial bear]

They don’t got an answer

[pulsar timber]

He beat the hornymu and kidmu allegations

[hot cairn]

[grand flower]

I’ve noticed some people genuinely feel offended or something by this. I just ignore it

[leaden rivet]

He beat the hornymu

Uh uh uh

[stone terrace]

So that leaves incelmu

[leaden rivet]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

[graceful belfry]

Illya’s right

[urban lodge]

Just wait until burn scar is actually a 500 year old woman

[glacial bear]

They know they got checkmated 😎

[graceful belfry]

People are horny for him regardless of gender

[grand flower]

I wouldn’t even say that, some people just want to hear theyre rihht

Right*

[glacial bear]

They think they the tribal chief. They want YES! Men, not wise men 😤

[ocean totem]

Between Loki and Luffy and both of them being relatively divine figures, and Luffy being the second coming of Joyboy, getting haki enough to undo Imu's teleportation is both an upgrade and a possibility

[hot cairn]

people are still horny for Imu's current design

[leaden rivet]

I don’t find him that attractive to begin with

[ocean totem]

Imu's design is very Elbaf reminiscent too

[leaden rivet]

He’s kinda weird looking

[frigid gulch]

Luffy could tap into this stuff

[grand flower]

It is what it is, it says more about them

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

[ocean totem]

Imu looks like a Lunarian giant hybrid

[leaden rivet]

A lunarian big human hybrid

[graceful belfry]

His design is borderline pandering, to a certain demographic but that’s obviously not the intention lol. He’s just a devilish kinda guy

[glacial bear]

A lunarian buccaneer three eyed tribe hybrid

With no honey mustard

[knotty root]

Calling him the second coming of joyboy is interesting. I'm not saying you're wrong but we still have to wonder did another gum gum fruit user awakened 200 years ago that cause emeth to attack mariejois?

[ocean totem]

Ancient Giant + Lunarian hybrid?

Imu was around for the ancient giants

Ancient giant + Buccanneer

[ocean totem]

Nope

At least, not that the Gorosei ever found out, which they would've had to know about if that did it

[vernal ravine]

lunarian buffed edgy twink

[copper lava]

I'd expect that old lunarians maybe look different from today's lineage of lunarians

[rose rune]

mostly because depending on my mood, I'm incapable of having a serious discussion

[glacial bear]

There’s no way Imu is an ancient giant

And a buccaneer on top of that? Didn’t make sense

[graceful belfry]

I think he’d be bigger

[knotty root]

Thinking ab it that wouldn't make sense, since when luffy awakened in wano zunesha said that he hasn't heard this beat in 800 years

[ashen perch]

Okay so I did go back to thoroughly verify the timeline, apparently it was 2-3 days based on the data given to us via Tama and Hera's birthdays. Still, just as quick as the time required for the Revos to show up here.

9th March, last day of the Reverie and the day the Warlords were disbanded, next morning:
10th March, The world reads the news and BB and Koby get ready to go to Amazon Lily
12th March, BB and Koby arrive in Amazon Lily at nearly the same time.

[ocean totem]

Hybrids aren't necessarily the same size

[graceful belfry]

Lunarian seems like a guarantee, at this point tho

[glacial bear]

Exactly. Because with that reasoning, Kaido is an ancient giant + buccaneer hybrid

[ocean totem]

Imu's bigger than a Buccaneer but smaller than a giant

[prisma yacht]

I'm very serious about you tho

[frigid gulch]

If you have Zoro and Sanji being used as hypetools for Imu here

[ocean totem]

I don't think you understand the reasoning if you think this lol

[urban lodge]

I don't think he's a lunarian, I just think they share the same Luciferian imagery

[frigid gulch]

I don’t see why Imu’s conquerors can’t be hyped with the weaker ones

[ocean totem]

And the Gorosei didn't know the fruit had awakened since Joyboy either yeh

[glacial bear]

But for Imu to both lineages does not compute

[frigid gulch]

But either way

[leaden rivet]

Getting coc diffed is worse humiliation than getting one tapped

[ocean totem]

Why?

[prisma yacht]

He's an upgrade of lunarians

[vernal ravine]

the horns are from the fruit he is a lunarian 90 %

[prisma yacht]

Better tank

[frigid gulch]

My overall point was it shoulda been shown more

[copper lava]

Quite literally. Physically manifesting your will to a weaker willed individual

[frigid gulch]

Maybe KO more giants as well

[frigid gulch]

But it scales

[glacial bear]

Isn’t a buccaneer a human + giant

Because Whitebeard stated he’s still human at the end of the day.

So him being a buccaneer + an ancient giant even tho an ancient is bigger is just- what

[frigid gulch]

Imu can’t conq diff stronger ones so he has to attack

[knotty root]

The whole imu's big coc blast not fainting giants is probsbly inconsistency on oda's part if I had to explain it

[frigid gulch]

Way weaker ones maybe he shouldn’t need to

[stone terrace]

Old man dont care

[frigid gulch]

I’m not even saying KO

[copper lava]

But I mean joyboy's haki didn't knock out everyone (I'm not counting luffy's group) so it checks

[frigid gulch]

You could also say panel constraints but idk

[graceful belfry]

People are saying he’s about as big as Whitebeard and I don’t know how accurate that is. If it is, then I think Buccaneer is on the table. The mixed race angle is almost 100% going to happen, just from the looks of it. And I admit that the Elbaf-like attire and the skulls are interesting. I’m not saying it’s entirely out of the question

[ocean totem]

No, Buccaneers are different things, giants are only a possibility

[ashen perch]

it has knocked out regular giants and the kids

[ocean totem]

But they're all still human, just different kinds of human

[ashen perch]

the others are just strong willed, its not too deep really

[ocean totem]

Except the minks

[wet condor]

Did Imu actually knock out some adult giants?

[frigid gulch]

It only knocked out some giants

[ashen perch]

yes

[ocean totem]

He looked more like Kaido's size imo

Somewhere around Whitebeard or Kaido makes sense

[ashen perch]

Dorry, Jarul and Brogy are legends. The New Giant pirates are future legends and they are like the SHs of the giants. The SHs are SHs. It makes sense

[knotty root]

You mean kizaru and the gorosei? You don't think they're "strong willed enough " or whatever the correct word/term here is to resist that?

[copper lava]

Lol no I don't mean them

[ashen perch]

we did see this last time

[hot cairn]

bean where do you scale Imu strength wise?

[graceful belfry]

The skulls on his clothing look like Onigashima, so I’m wondering if there’s any connection there. We learned that Onigashima was constructed as a castle, but the skull that the castle was built inside was meant to belong to a being that actually lived at some point, right?

[frigid gulch]

Joyboy’s haki dealt with pretty much everyone it was supposed to

[stone terrace]

It knocked out vice admirals thats about the best we can get

[frigid gulch]

It was fine

[knotty root]

Oh then who

[ashen perch]

Adult giants that are knocked out or atleast agitated by the haki. Even Collun got knocked out and he's a future conqueror.

[wet condor]

Yep sure enough

[ocean totem]

Stronger than everyone who isn't Joyboy right now I'm sure

[rose rune]

btw. why did Gerd go from holding a fainting child back to holding Sommers again?

[digital magnet]

are the horns up or down on onigashima? cant remember other than it didnt have any honrs towards the end

[rose rune]

continuity error!

[graceful belfry]

They’re up

[knotty root]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wano-country-kaido-the-yonko-emperor-gif-18136363

[hot cairn]

I think the same, how do you think he'll do against Loki and Luffy rn?

[vernal ravine]

he is 666 cm

[frigid gulch]

Gerd’s fingers will probably get sewn back

[digital magnet]

interesting

[frigid gulch]

She’ll be aight

[digital magnet]

with milk?

[frigid gulch]

Chopper

[urban lodge]

Leo and Mansherry in Elbaf

[stone terrace]

Fly in leo and mansherey

Fuck

[frigid gulch]

It can be done irl too

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[prisma yacht]

Snail him

[digital magnet]

what about a leg

[stone terrace]

How funny would it be if law and bepo washed up

[ashen perch]

I think they are going to get cyborgerized

[frigid gulch]

Hm

Not too sure

[leaden rivet]

Imu’s probably 3rd all time behind Davey and Joyboy

[prisma yacht]

Franky will get him a replacement

[digital magnet]

damn you guys have for everything a solution

[prisma yacht]

farts

Um

This is the longest pause in a while

Uhh

[graceful belfry]

Hoping for instead

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/i/status/2045127076240593323

말랑 (@marrangeg)

할배 소원 이뤄드리기

X · Apr 17, 2026, 1:07 PM

Omfg

[lofty fern]

I can't understand the idea to put the two guys who lost above the guy who won

[graceful belfry]

LOL

[prisma yacht]

[lofty fern]

Ace and luffy are so cute!

[ashen perch]

The people are not ready for the real matchups of the arc, Karasu v QIlingham and Morley v Sommers.

[graceful belfry]

Lmao

[ashen perch]

though, yeah Kid can also show up

[stone terrace]

Sommers aint surviving this arc

[wet condor]

I am not ready for those matches, you are correct

[stone terrace]

The heart thing has to payoff

[prisma yacht]

Luffy hiding behind grandpa's leg omgg

[ashen perch]

well I said this arc Icon

[lofty fern]

😑

[wet condor]

Let them hold off until the eos

I don't want that to interrupt this

But I do see those as feasible matchups lol

[dark nymph]

Zoro and Sanji are both getting back up in 2 chapters

[ashen perch]

I have never been so confident on the revos thing, you can try to compare it with the past arcs but there's no comparison.

[prisma yacht]

Koby will defeat a few hks as well

[lofty fern]

Screw Garp, I'm concentrating on the other more important characters

[rose rune]

he'll show up to deal the finishing blow to Imu after the 25 chapter brook gunko flashback

[ashen perch]

it really is happening this time

[prisma yacht]

Hmph

[digital magnet]

i think koby is busy stopping Luffy's dream

[prisma yacht]

He does that for a reason

[prisma yacht]

Nastu

[digital magnet]

was the tounge always there

[rose rune]

yes

[prisma yacht]

Yes.

[graceful belfry]

Yeah

[digital magnet]

okk

[lofty fern]

But we just brought him back...though with his stupidity, I can see it. I wouldn't be surprised if Imu kill him himself

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-14215039757555920220

[prisma yacht]

What's with the side eye

[digital magnet]

[wet condor]

Koby ain't stopping the dream lol

If anything he's going to help fulfill it

[lofty fern]

Because everyone is tuning in on One Piece to see freaking Koby win lol

[graceful belfry]

I don’t really believe Koby has it in him to stop the dream at this point

It’s over

[prisma yacht]

He's gonna fight him regardless of the outcome

Fight luffy

[graceful belfry]

He’ll become an Admiral tho

[muted hedge]

i believe in Koby

[graceful belfry]

So he’s got that in his future

[digital magnet]

onscreen or offscreen?

🤔

[rose rune]

I just wish koby was less freaky about it

[dark nymph]

imagine betting on Koby over Luffy

[wet condor]

During the story? There may be a scuffle yeah

And then Koby switches sides

[muted hedge]

Koby is such a great character

[soft tangle]

Deploying BB vote

[soft tangle]

Why is he great

[lofty fern]

Didn't you hear him Music? He MUST stop Luffy's dream!

[prisma yacht]

Pirates are lawless no way koby helps Luffy in achieving something which wld promote more lawlessness and brutality causing innocent citizens more harm

[wet condor]

Epilogue we can hear about all the great battles that occurred between pirate king Luffy and Koby the Hero of the Marines

[wet condor]

And how Koby cornered him countless times

[dark nymph]

Koby is NOT that guy

[red lagoon]

Koby already said he gotta stop Luffy even if it’s dream

[prisma yacht]

Their fight wld be the final one

[red lagoon]

Love Koby fr

[digital magnet]

*yet

Oda wants him to become HIM

[graceful belfry]

I think we’ll see him in the role of an Admiral on the pages of the manga, yeah. Might not literally happen during the course of the Final War’s events, but he’s set for that at the endgame. I don’t think the Marines will cease to exist, so there’ll still be the opportunity for him to earn the title through his actions during the final saga

[red lagoon]

Yee marines will always need to be a thing

[lofty fern]

I feel like Koby's not going to just become Garp anymore than Luffy is just Roger in another body

[red lagoon]

U can abolish the wg and keep the marines

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/Nyan_2020_/status/2045506349568778444?s=20

Nyan｜AX U19 (@Nyan_2020_)

🎤🥁🎸👻⚡️

X · Apr 18, 2026, 2:14 PM

[muted hedge]

he has so many great moments which are just looked over

[soft tangle]

Great moments don’t explain why he’s a great character

[urban lodge]

Koby will be admiral level in like 2 weeks in universe

[digital magnet]

actually true....

[hot cairn]

so true

[wraith mantle]

Cunty

[muted hedge]

it should be self explainatory

[red lagoon]

Koby the goat

Standing up to akainu like that

[muted hedge]

Koby is the ideal Marine

[ocean totem]

Probably give the hardest fight of their lives, I'm sure we'll get either Shanks showing up or a comparison as well

[muted hedge]

he is what every Marine should be

Garp knows this

[soft tangle]

Deluded?

[ocean totem]

And then it'll be a repeat of God Valley again, with Shanks, Loki and Luffy working together to push Imu back to mariejois

[wraith mantle]

Wonder if Imu will actually have a proper fight or will clash piece take over

[inner agate]

the ideal Marine is a marine who defected to the RA

[digital magnet]

he will clash with Luffy soon probably, then we can see how well Luffy will go against Imu

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-dybantsa-no-no-no-no-byu-basketball-gif-16627906335966191810

[hot cairn]

noice, that sounds cool

[digital magnet]

damn hahahaha

[graceful belfry]

Dude

[hot cairn]

cmon caleb

[lofty fern]

Shanks knows better than to come here. I don't think he wants to risk facing the demon he made a contract with

[wet condor]

I mean they will be different in certain ways. I'm sure Koby is never going to carry himself like Garp. They just come off as way different personalities. But I'm not expecting their dynamic to be much different once they reach their primes. Luffy is gonna be Pirate King, Koby is already a hero of the Marines

[pulsar timber]

Don’t cmon me

[wet condor]

"Stop right there Straw Hat"

[vernal ravine]

it's a good character, also depends of what we take as good

[pulsar timber]

I really believe this. I don’t have a reason to believe he’s currently “a great character”

[muted hedge]

one of the most dedicated and principled characters in the story

[pulsar timber]

Unless we are drastically lowering our standards for great

[wet condor]

"Oh it's Koby. Change of plans guys, attack!"

All that

But Koby is never going to be like this:

https://tenor.com/view/garp-galaxy-impact-one-piece-one-piece-garp-garp-chujou-gif-15005016597479083076

If he does I'll be a lil' surprised

[soft tangle]

Koby would have already been at God Valley ready for pirates

[lofty fern]

Because I don't think Oda would have made that comment of even Blades being forced to obey Imu, if we didn't get a chance to show that on a Blade. And Shanks is the only important Blade left.

[graceful belfry]

I think he’s a good character with potential to become a great character

[soft tangle]

One Potential

[pulsar timber]

I find him a completely uninteresting character that’s just kinda there

[muted hedge]

that's the thing, he doesn't need to be like Garp

[graceful belfry]

And he’s also one of the most important characters for how Oda writes and develops the Marines as an entire organization

Or how he will do that

[muted hedge]

i don't know why people judge Koby from "oh how would Garp do this"

Garp being taken away from Koby will ultimately let Koby grow into his own role

[lofty fern]

Thats how many fans act with characters who inherit will

[pulsar timber]

Good thing we have no idea how he will do that 1100 chapters in. Wonder what the gameplan is 😃

[soft tangle]

Current Koby let’s Luffy die at Marineford

[stone terrace]

Id like to see koby react to the genocide olympics

[muted hedge]

right, that's why so many fans were being babies when they saw Roger being interested in a woman

[prisma yacht]

He won't have it

[lofty fern]

If Gaban has this, Sanji has it too. If Garp has this, Koby has it too, If Rayleigh has this Zoro will have it too

[rare ivy]

Koby gonna beg for that Omen buff

[red lagoon]

He deffo will

[lofty fern]

Maki for all of Imu's forces. I do wonder if the elders don't get maki rings because they have stronger contracts. And thats why Gunko didn't need one, she has the abyssal covenant too

[red lagoon]

Koby grows as fast as Luffy

Maybe even faster

[prisma yacht]

He didn't mean in terms of power

[ocean totem]

Elbaf is his territory

[prisma yacht]

He's talking about garp's recklessness

[ocean totem]

He HAS to come

[red lagoon]

Ohh

[knotty root]

you sure it's not bc imu wasn't physically there to give them?

[muted hedge]

is that confirmed?

[ocean totem]

I don't think he has it in him not to

[urban lodge]

I think it's more that he's their ally

[prisma yacht]

If shanks is the hinokizu

He will show up

[muted hedge]

who the hell is the hinokizu now again

[prisma yacht]

Mmbf

[muted hedge]

totally forgot about that

[pine ridge]

barbell

[prisma yacht]

What was the last thing we saw shanks do when he appeared

[pine ridge]

it's his nickname

[urban lodge]

Bluejam*

[prisma yacht]

Didn't he leave elbaf

[muted hedge]

please Oda make the man marked by flame an TOTALLY new character

[wraith mantle]

Would yall be ok if Oda starts another flashback soon?

[pulsar timber]

Blow up barto

[ashen perch]

stop saying mmbf, it sounds like someone trying to speak with a gag over their mouth

[prisma yacht]

So he's not near elbaf

[ashen perch]

just say burnscar or hinokizu

[pulsar timber]

No. Not until we get this climax done

[graceful belfry]

I’d hate it otherwise

[wraith mantle]

If you say hinokizu you are too far gone

[muted hedge]

it'd be awful if it's just some old character who has been hiding or whatever

[prisma yacht]

yeah totally mmbf does sound like that i won't say mmbf again sry

[pine ridge]

wasn't that like a month old thing at the time or am I misremembering

[ashen perch]

please dont

[muted hedge]

it's the reason why Shanks left Elbaph

[ashen perch]

you say Kizaru no?

[pulsar timber]

Oh yeah it was one month earlier

[ashen perch]

why you not calling him YELLOW MONKEY

[graceful belfry]

Lmao

[pulsar timber]

The last thing we saw him do In Current day is blow kid up

[pine ridge]

I'm just thinking about the timeline cause wano wasn't too long ago

[prisma yacht]

And

[brittle basin]

Saw a comment yesterday suggesting burn scar man got it from Imu's flames.

[prisma yacht]

He left elbaf after that

[wraith mantle]

That’s not the same thing lol

[prisma yacht]

?

[urban lodge]

I fucking love red dog

[ashen perch]

it is the same thing man

[blazing depot]

Never forget

[ashen perch]

Kizaru is a title

[wraith mantle]

He was introduced as kizaru

[prisma yacht]

I like hot dog but red dog is fine too

[ashen perch]

His name is Borsalino

[brittle basin]

absinthe

[wraith mantle]

He was introduced as kizaru

[ashen perch]

Hinokizu was introduced as Hinokizu too

[brittle basin]

i will never call him borsalino

[ashen perch]

we dont know his name

[pine ridge]

wasn't this opscans being opscans

[pulsar timber]

They can’t gaslight me

[red lagoon]

Kizaru aokiji and akainu will what I always know them as

[brittle basin]

Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[muted hedge]

Sakazuki, Kuzan and Borsalino

[graceful belfry]

I call that man, “Kuzan” idc

[muted hedge]

Aramaki, Issho

[graceful belfry]

Rolls of the tongue better

[pine ridge]

kuzan > aokiji

[wraith mantle]

That was his name for the longest time

[knotty root]

Borsalino, Aokiji and red dog my goats

[ashen perch]

once they stop being admirals, I stop calling them by their admiral names like in the canon

[wraith mantle]

That’s clearly a description of him

[ashen perch]

Aokiji is now Kuzan
Akainu is now Sakazuki

[muted hedge]

i think their real names sound a lot cooler

[fast pagoda]

Same

[brittle basin]

Aokiji>Kuzan

[fast pagoda]

But also

[wraith mantle]

It’s like calling Luffy mugiwara

Weeb af

[ashen perch]

no its not

[fast pagoda]

I think Kuzan and Sakazuki are way cooler names

[pine ridge]

wrong

[brittle basin]

it's war

[fast pagoda]

Than Aokiji and Akainu

[ocean totem]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[vernal ravine]

the only admiral that make sense to not use the epithet is aokiji the rest is just tryna flex knowledge

[ocean totem]

Calling them Aokiji or Akainu would be like calling Luffy "Mugiwara"

[pine ridge]

!sakazuki

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1478656677174837399/IMG_1640.png?ex=69a931d7&is=69a7e057&hm=24f054872549887afe33613c0e5d6ccc9058af32bc4d13d07f729b90fdc945dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1325&height=536

[ashen perch]

LMAO

[brittle basin]

the manga introduced them as akainu, aokiji, and Kizaru I think? this is why I've always called them that I think.

[muted hedge]

what the fuck is that profile picture

[ashen perch]

Akainu fans not beating the allegations

[brittle basin]

recheck LRLL

[muted hedge]

taken straight from google

[red lagoon]

If u call fujitora issho i just assume u tryna show off

[brittle basin]

ASSho gottem

[rare ivy]

Omen buffed Admirals would go hard

[muted hedge]

Sakazuki, Kuzan, Borsalino, Aramaki and Issho

[knotty root]

Aramaki is legit fire though

[wraith mantle]

If you call man burn by scar hinokizu you are literally this

[brittle basin]

Aramaki reminds me too much of GITS so i'm not using it

[muted hedge]

you just did

[ashen perch]

bro its just a thing you can remember like the first time after you read it, its not some crazy knowledge

[prisma yacht]

He's also the lamest

[wraith mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313638160458190858/1462102537263120601/Unbenanntes_Video_Mit_Clipchamp_erstellt_1.gif

[prisma yacht]

admiral ever

[muted hedge]

GITS?

[brittle basin]

Ghost in the Shell

[muted hedge]

ah

[vernal ravine]

i have to admit i like to say names in japanese

like shirohige

[prisma yacht]

No you cant just post a cut off of this gif it's illegal

[ashen perch]

its funny that people dont really say Ryokugyu as much

[brittle basin]

never will. green bull all the way

[ashen perch]

Its usually Greenbull or Aramaki

[prisma yacht]

Greenbull

[graceful belfry]

Aramaki is it

[muted hedge]

probably because it's fucking complicated lol

[tidal ice]

Its hard to spell and pronounce

[pine ridge]

cause it's hard to remember

[ashen perch]

its not that complicated really...

[prisma yacht]

Guys

Aramaki

[pine ridge]

ryouguygyu

[prisma yacht]

AraMAKI

[brittle basin]

for an american, i feel like ryokugyu doesn't flow off the tongue as easily

[prisma yacht]

Holy

[muted hedge]

more complicated then Greenbull, Aramaki or Forest admiral

[ashen perch]

Its hard for me to forget character names, idk

[pine ridge]

ara ara

[brittle basin]

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[brittle basin]

Do you have an eidetic memory?

[ashen perch]

nah not at all

[knotty root]

Ryokugyorogyoro

[cold steppe]

Translating nicknames is fine. It gets cringe when actual names are translated

[brittle basin]

arsal is just the biggest one piece fan

[cold steppe]

Like dogstorm

[muted hedge]

dogstorm sounds sick

[brittle basin]

Duke Dogstorn and Cat Viper I never liked

[ashen perch]

I think character names are just easy to remember, you read them so many times over the course of just one read

[brittle basin]

I do prefer their Japanese names more.

[red lagoon]

Idek there English names lool

[prisma yacht]

Petuhh

[vernal ravine]

didn't even know the english names

[pine ridge]

except ruyugyugu

[muted hedge]

does anyone genuinely call the warlords by their japanese name?

[brittle basin]

I started with Viz and didn't know their Japanese names lol

[prisma yacht]

Ah yes my fav admiral ryukukyuu

[ashen perch]

Translating it to Dogstorm and Catviper just didnt make any sense because that was their actual name

[red lagoon]

What’s there Japanese names

[ashen perch]

Stephen was tripping with that one

[muted hedge]

i can't even spell it

shichibukai?

[red lagoon]

Loool

That shit

[brittle basin]

even if it's a 1:1 correct translation, I just don't like the way it sounds in general. has an edgelord vibe to it

[red lagoon]

Gorosei valid tho

[vernal ravine]

[prisma yacht]

Yonko

[ashen perch]

you guys know the JP words, youre just trying to be different smh...

[red lagoon]

Who’s

[muted hedge]

i spelled it right?

[ashen perch]

ASHAMED to say one word of Japanese, so as to not invite the wrath of the White man in the Kimono meme

[brittle basin]

JPN words for Duke and Cat are better because they just sound like cool words to me.

[prisma yacht]

What do you guys think of louis arnot tho

[muted hedge]

sick

[knotty root]

Pretty sure but everytime I hear anyone pronounce it it's always
shi-bu-kai

[stone terrace]

Hinokizu > burn scar

[prisma yacht]

Tha ks

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/incel-wojak-meme-anime-glasses-gif-21218188

[ashen perch]

it is a 1:1 translation yeah, it just didnt make any sense to translate it.

[vernal ravine]

saiaku no sedai

[muted hedge]

shi-hi-chi-bukai

[brittle basin]

i'll stick with burn scar, i didn't even know the other word until this very moment

[prisma yacht]

Hinokizu is easy to say

[ashen perch]

Icon is right

[red lagoon]

Who is that

[prisma yacht]

Typing mm.. well nvm

[ashen perch]

hinokizu is really easy to remember and say yeah

[prisma yacht]

Mm..

[muted hedge]

burnscar is even more easy to remember to me

[ashen perch]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hinokizu
big wiki W btw

[brittle basin]

Hinokizu isn't hard to say, just not used to it

[muted hedge]

hinokizu sounds cooler though i agree

[red lagoon]

Who tf is hinokuzi

[prisma yacht]

The burnscar man

[ashen perch]

Fire Scar

[vernal ravine]

shiki

[prisma yacht]

Or mm**

[red lagoon]

Oh

[ashen perch]

Hi = Fire
Kizu = Scar

[red lagoon]

I never heard that one

[ashen perch]

thats the literal translation

[red lagoon]

Mm was meant to stand for something

I thought u was just saying mmmm

[muted hedge]

what about the No?

[ashen perch]

no is the connective tissue there

[brittle basin]

Fire. Scar. Black ship. And imu has black flames.

[prisma yacht]

Its mmbf and it stands for man marked by flames mmbf

[knotty root]

Iirc the japanese term never implies that the person is a male right? Or am I mistaken

[prisma yacht]

See Arsal it's not my fault

He asked me about it

[muted hedge]

you have to stop gagging

[red lagoon]

What’s dog storm and cat viper real name

[ashen perch]

its like uh, an 's or of or something like that

[prisma yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317083128099242014/1494082104844226712/1462474068337889514-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[ashen perch]

like Kami no Kishidan is God's Knights

[brittle basin]

fire of scar

[muted hedge]

oh that's cool

[red lagoon]

Do u just know ts or u searching it up as u type

[ashen perch]

I just know

[brittle basin]

arsal is the biggest one piece fan

[red lagoon]

Do u speak Japanese

[ashen perch]

no 😭

[red lagoon]

Nigga how tf

[warm sierra]

possessive particle

[prisma yacht]

Kami no - god's
Didn't know kishidan

[brittle basin]

the wiki probably

[red lagoon]

Man I must not love one piece enough

[ashen perch]

right thats the word

[brittle basin]

you don't

you're a fake fan sadly

[red lagoon]

Damn

[muted hedge]

being a one piece fan isn't seen as a good thing now adays

[ashen perch]

Kishidan is Knights, Kishi is a Knight

[brittle basin]

we're all weeb trash. some are just more highly polished trash

[hot cairn]

who do you guys think it's the burn scar man

[ashen perch]

wiki/anime/trying to keep up with translations that best help my take on something

[muted hedge]

i asked my friend what they think about one piece fans, they said and i quote

"They're the most insufferable fanbase that I have ever interacted with. I hate them."

[ashen perch]

its a lot of things there

[graceful pasture]

shamrock

[ashen perch]

that factor into my knowledge of the text

[red lagoon]

Loool

[brittle basin]

oh shit arsal be studying.

[red lagoon]

if a nigga diss one piece next to me it’s up

[urban lodge]

Bluejam of course

[ashen perch]

Davy Jones idea looking strong lately

[muted hedge]

they like One Piece they just despise the fanbase

[knotty tree]

Is that word allowed here

[muted hedge]

which i can understand to some extent

[knotty root]

new character, but if so I wonder what connection they have with law considering his reaction on wano.

[ashen perch]

yes, not the hard r, you will be executed for that

but yea, Davy idea is looking good

[knotty tree]

Scary mod san

[muted hedge]

at that point just bring back everyone

[knotty tree]

What's happening in one piece haven't read it since wano

[ashen perch]

There's an immediate connection with Imu that I have been expecting out of Burn Scar, since the OP decides the fate of The World after all.