also-manga

[tidal ice]

True

[fringe escarp]

Bruh the raizo shit is way less important as much as I love him

[glacial bear]

One piece flashback arc is inevitable

[urban lodge]

We really don't, there is a lot to cover, that's the bare minimum

[grand flower]

Raizo is so goated for thuggin that fire out

[pulsar timber]

People setting themselves up for disappointment

Sad to see

[grand flower]

Raizo got set on fire first too btw

[odd rune]

but oda still made the connection between him and fukuroukuju very clear, and yet, despite us not getting a flashback, we learned of everything we needed for there to be a reasonable understanding of their fight

[ashen perch]

I just cant understand this at all

[odd rune]

im just saying

[brittle basin]

Oda has proven he can mess with your head and heart with both short and long flashbacks. I trust him to do either.

[fringe escarp]

It’s also fucking raizo an fukurokuju

[lofty fern]

I'd give Brook about 3-4-ish chapters, but again I don't think we're getting it this arc.

[odd rune]

you're setting yourself up for failure if you expect a brook and gunko flashback

[hot cairn]

true

[urban lodge]

There's no way we're comparing Brook's past to Raizo and Fukurokuju

[odd rune]

if we get one thats cool

[ashen perch]

I think there's been very few moments lately where I have actually thought ''man I hope Oda DOESNT stretch that out'', its always the opposite really

[glacial bear]

TRUE

[fringe escarp]

Comparing fukurokuju to brook and the main antag of elbaf is clown behavior

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-raizo-raizo-one-piece-ninja-fire-gif-4001374969727201481

[brittle basin]

I want One Piece done before Oda is done, if you get my drift. I am very pessimistic about the longevity and health of mangakas.

[distant vine]

? He set the stage for it tho

[glacial bear]

Raizou was born to burn

[distant vine]

Now we have to see what connection they have

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[grand flower]

“Oden died for me in that oil. This fire ain’t shit”

[tidal ice]

Its probably gonna happen, make it a chapter max

[red lagoon]

Fax it don’t need to be a flashback it can just be said what happened

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-keith-lee-wwe-wtf-gif-18099546

[distant vine]

Dont write manga ever pls

[ashen perch]

He said he's taking care of himself, he said he's going to take the liberty of focusing on his health especially this year. I dont believe we have to be so pessimistic about it, and just hope that he's right

[grand flower]

People read this then said Wano was bad and bloated I weep

[distant vine]

Said by who LMAO

[glacial bear]

We need the Aluerax flashback arc

[red lagoon]

I wasn’t planning on it

[distant vine]

The SBS?

[red lagoon]

That lore go deep

[urban lodge]

I'd genuinely rather one piece never end than Oda rush the ending and ruin it

[pine ridge]

as they say, tell don't show

[hot cairn]

how would you not want one of the biggest if not THE biggest mystery in the story to not be long

how

[fringe escarp]

^

[ashen perch]

this reminds me of when Oden's backstory was kinda vaguely stated by Kinemon and the others already, and people were convinced that we didnt need a flashback, or atleast a long one at all lol

[iron oriole]

Sanji didn't need a flashback & his family involved in an entire arc, could have just had Oda say "bad dad & bullied by brothers, mother loved him though so W"

[fringe escarp]

Remember the fucking Kaido flashback

[lofty fern]

I can see this, though I don't think he should rush and make his work worse or even horrible by srcubbing the ending after all this time. That's like running a hard race and then tripping an inch before the finish line.

[hot cairn]

I think it’s obvious we’re getting one

[fringe escarp]

All 3 pages of nothing

[fringe escarp]

Should we pretend to be shocked when it happens

[odd rune]

gunko isnt the main antagonist of elbaf lmao and also i still do not see why you're so caught up on this being something we need to see. you havent explained that you just keep repeating "bruh its BROOK and GUNKO"

[distant vine]

Like even outside of Brook and Gunko's relationship, we dont know how Imu got to her or why Imu got her under his wing

[distant vine]

Thats pretty important information we need?

[wet condor]

I don't care about the Brook and Gunko flashback unless it includes lore

[glacial bear]

I need that Stansen flashback arc

[grand flower]

Fuck yeah tell don’t show that’s why I love stories

[pine ridge]

just draw him thinking about his dad and brothers with an upset expression

[odd rune]

i see zero reason why we need one as it is right now

[iron oriole]

fr fr

[fringe escarp]

I did explain, flashbacks exist for the sole purpose of fleshing out characters who’s connections are significant to each others developments

[wet condor]

If it ties into the lore somehow, like Gunko was taken because she's somehow connected to the VC, then fine

[odd rune]

"oh uh.. we dont know anything about brooks past!"

[hot cairn]

you know what, I kinda do too

[odd rune]

yeah bruh been that way for 15 years

[tidal ice]

When gunko dies, all of this can be covered

[rose rune]

about how he was captured and almost sold?

[glacial bear]

How did Goldberg obtain his shield with the tongue

[grand flower]

Csuse the story asked us to wonder about it by drip feeding us info about it

[ashen perch]

now, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions but

[distant vine]

You dont think its interesting Imu took a princess to become a Holy Knight? And messed with her memories?

[grand flower]

I for one do not like to be teased

I like set up and pay off

[urban lodge]

Sometimes opinions are just bad

[ashen perch]

It really doesnt matter if you dont care about us getting the flasbhack

[distant vine]

Maybe you dont care nonetheless but the setup for Oda doing it is certainly there

[wet condor]

of course it doesn't

[fringe escarp]

We don’t need the ASL flashback

[urban lodge]

The pieces are laid out

[brittle basin]

Sure, it's healthier by Oda's definition. Not the average human. But it's his manga, he can do whatever he wants and I'll accept it. If he can make it to the finish line, then yeah make it way longer.

[grand flower]

Tbh yeah csuse it’s all a matter of perspective and some people need glasses

[ashen perch]

its still bad if we dont

[fringe escarp]

We knew everything we needed to know

[rose rune]

it was from when his dad went to get big mom or something

[brittle basin]

I answered to Arsal above.

[pulsar timber]

We will get a flashback, probably, but it isn’t gonna be like 8 chapters in my opinion

[fringe escarp]

Sabo died that’s all

[glacial bear]

I wish

[hot cairn]

[pulsar timber]

I think less will be covered than some people think

[fringe escarp]

Oh actually no he didn’t

[wet condor]

It also doesn't matter if you care that we do either. We're just stating how we feel about it

[urban lodge]

Why do we need anything by that logic? Let's just skip to laugh tale

[red lagoon]

8 chapters for it is long

[leaden rivet]

Can’t think of a single thing I’d be less interested in than a brook and Gunko flashback

[glacial bear]

The BB flashback is inevitable

[leaden rivet]

Oh maybe another loki flashback

[brittle basin]

I do hope Laugh Tale is after Elbaf, then the Final War.

[fringe escarp]

We got like 10 chapters on Kuma

[distant vine]

Its okay if you dont care

[fringe escarp]

We only NEED the monologue Saturn gave

[distant vine]

As long as we understand Oda is heading towards it

[glacial bear]

Bears are awesome

[red lagoon]

I don’t need them extra chapters of seeing gunko as a kid growing up💔

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kuma-ballin-kuma-ballin-gif-24834539

[hot cairn]

exactly

[odd rune]

flashbacks exist for many reasons but none of this explains why we need to see a brook and gunko one. what would we see? what would it involve? what would eight chapters of flashback look like? im not against it but it's not necessary. If oda thinks its necessary to bridge that gap in some way then thats cool but i dont see why we have to as things are right now

[urban lodge]

Notice how all the bad opinions are coming from R*cks fans

[grand flower]

This is so funny bro Oda has been teasing Brook for a long time and Theres fans who are like “don’t do anything with that Oda”

[odd rune]

Brook is a fully developed character

[distant vine]

Egghead skip ruined this fanbase

[grand flower]

Do you guys like your time wasted?

[leaden rivet]

Honestly I’m just more interested in Imu and Gunko, don’t really care about the brook bit

[glacial bear]

I need a Captain Yorki flashback arc

[brittle basin]

A good example of Oda needing to cut things short is VP's speech. I wish he could learn a lesson from that, as well.

[spice python]

Oda doesn't have a choice, he has to rush it now if he wants to complete the story within 5 years

[pulsar timber]

I think we will cover the tidbits that we saw already. As in, gunko as a child and her relationship with brook, and then up to when gunko “kills” her father and becomes a holy knight.

[wet condor]

This is the most interesting part of the flashback to me

[brittle basin]

I don't think he's finishing in 5 years at this point.

[pulsar timber]

We might get a tiny flashback within a flashback of Brook being saved by the father but nothing too long

[distant vine]

Yeah but we would see that in a Brook and Gunko flashback

[pulsar timber]

Like a few pages

[pulsar path]

That's crazy I actually care more about Gunko brook than imuu

[wet condor]

Because why did Imu want Gunko in the first place

[spice python]

A lot of plot points and character threads are going to remain unresolved

[rose rune]

wow... you forgot about Robin fans

[odd rune]

Kaidou flashback length

would be good

[leaden rivet]

I’m not interested in a backstory of her entire past, maybe a single chapter where Imu takes her in

Indi

[brittle basin]

Every time I get hopeful that Oda is finding way to speed the manga up (such as York's capture) he finds a way to extend it: VP's speech and Rocks' flashback.

[wet condor]

I just care about the lore

[red lagoon]

Fr not everything is gonna end up being explained in detail

[grand flower]

It can be as simple as just showing us how Brook became the man he is. The earliest we’ve seen of Brook is already a fully grown adult, much like Franky and Robin. So their flashbacks are about what made them into the adults we meet

[odd rune]

Gimme 5 pages of this at most

[red lagoon]

3 chaps max

[fringe escarp]

When you introduce a entirely new facet and point of history in someone’s character that has a personal effect on their morals then yes it’s entirely relevant

Whoever Gunkos father was it was significant enough to brook that he was considered his mentor

[red lagoon]

LMAO u strict I like u😂😂

[distant vine]

Based Oda

[pulsar path]

I don't think multi chapter

[glacial bear]

Thank god for Foxy

[pulsar path]

Or no more than one and heeef

[leaden rivet]

The rocks flashback took any willow of me to read ant flashback that’s more than 3 chapters for the rest of Elbaf

[spice python]

I might be the only one who liked VP's speech

[leaden rivet]

It just feels like it’d kill the arc at this point

[distant vine]

I liked it

[glacial bear]

I liked it

[fringe escarp]

The best part about the last 2 flashbacks was the fact that Oda went beyond what we expected or believed what we “needed”

[rose rune]

we're going to be 80 years old by the end of one piece

[tidal ice]

lets fit 6 panels in a single page and call it a day

[red lagoon]

It’s good but reading week to week was long

[pulsar timber]

I liked Vegapunks speech and the rocks flashback

[glacial bear]

I love one piece and everything about it

[red lagoon]

It’s nice when u read it all at once

[pulsar path]

I liked it. It's actually great if you read the vol all together r

[hot cairn]

4 people repping this is crazy

[distant vine]

Elbaph doomers are funny

[brittle basin]

I care about both. I also think in the endgame, being concise while keeping quality can do wonders. "Brevity is the soul of wit" or so that famous writer said.

[grand flower]

That’s not impossible but my question about your POV is moreso why are you assuming there isn’t a worthwhile atory to tell there

[ashen perch]

Buffy really you're operating on the assumption that he is in a greater hurry than he actually is, but if he's okay with his current pace like he said he is then I have seen no reason this arc to actually believe that he's gonna struggle to make it to the finish line. Ofc, none of us can ever predict the unforeseen but as far as we know, he's taking care of himself and he's comfortable in his position

[iron oriole]

so true

[leaden rivet]

Liking the rocks flashback isn’t an unpopular opinion Muk lol

[glacial bear]

Elbaph is in doom tho. Imu is there in person

[odd rune]

But again, this isnt something we need to see in the form of a flashback. its so silly to me to insist on it and especially being like multiple chapters long. im sure we would all love if oda could take as much time as he wanted on one piece

[leaden rivet]

Even pirate folk liked it

[urban lodge]

Rocks fans are the most oppressed

[pulsar timber]

The length

[fringe escarp]

Planetfall alone increased the length of the series by a decade arguably

[distant vine]

Zoro's gonna get back up its okay

[odd rune]

There are lots of ways we can learn about the history of brook and gunko idk

[pulsar timber]

All dissenters will be eliminated

[glacial bear]

God Usopp will save the day

[fringe escarp]

And again you can argue this about any flashback

[pulsar path]

I do care about Imu Im just hating a lil bit 🤣 but true!

[grand flower]

When you say “five pages at most” it sounds like you’ve decided that any longer cant be good or entertaining or emotionally satisfying

[leaden rivet]

I don’t mind the length, I just would prefer rocks had less focus and more was given to Harald and Loki

[rose rune]

I do wonder about that sequence btw. he never gave her an omen, and just shot at her. was that to destroy or release her?

[grand flower]

I think the derision is more so what makes you so adamant that isn’t worth anything

Was everything in OP that’s made it good something you expected?

[odd rune]

So why set the expectation?

[urban lodge]

Because it's clearly set up

[fringe escarp]

Because Oda has focused on flashbacks that also could’ve been text

[urban lodge]

It's not about expectations

[fringe escarp]

This is a example of a flashback that is clearly telegraphed

[pulsar path]

Yeah that is type weird we didn't really get a follow up, I also think maybe she regained control? Or beta the mine control wand oda was saving it ? Idk last chapter was like Imu had the zoomies lol

[wet condor]

The flashback is happening yeah

It's undeniable

[fringe escarp]

Like this is on par with expecting sanji in WCI to not get a flashback

Because he’s “already developed”

[red lagoon]

No it’s not

[wet condor]

Why deny that it's happening even if you don't care about it lol

[leaden rivet]

Even if it happens it shouldn’t be longer than a half a chapter to a chapter

[pulsar timber]

Everytime we have major moments like these I like to go back to early one piece to see how far we’ve come

[red lagoon]

Sanji was the main focus of wci

[ornate tartan]

no he wasn’t

[ashen perch]

Oh yeah and he said this like a year before that chapter dropped too

[odd rune]

This is literally the first time ive heard anyone talk about wanting a Gunko Brook flashback

it wasnt even a thought to me

[red lagoon]

Krome

[grand flower]

Probably just release her since she wasn’t injured, just frozen

[leaden rivet]

Imu’s face in that top left panel is so ughhh

[ornate tartan]

the main focus was the mochi god

[fringe escarp]

??? You haven’t been here bruh

[hot cairn]

this is good, he aint rushing

[rose rune]

maybe

[odd rune]

so yeah it came as a surprise to me when people expected 8 chapters

lmao

[ashen perch]

how.

[rose rune]

holy shit I hate having this pfp, even if I put it on as a joke

[grand flower]

A lot of people have been expecting it since Oda showed the silhouette memory

[urban lodge]

Macks that's like the most anticipated thing in the arc for like half of readers

[brittle basin]

I'm split between two worlds: A. There are times when it does feel like he's rushing or getting to things quicker (York's capture) and B. He is taking his sweet time as seen with the Rocks flashback and VP's speech. I'm guessing, as usual with mangaka, he's flying by the seat of his pants and deciding a good chunk of this stuff week-to-week while relying on whatever notes he has on the side. I'm not sure what he himself truly wants pacing wise at times. It feels quicker, yet also slow at the same time.

[hot cairn]

I loved it

[wet condor]

The extent to which I care and am willing to not lose patience is proportional to how involved with the VC it is

which is probably not that much if at all

[leaden rivet]

Brook and Gunko?!

[red lagoon]

Brook and gunko flashback?!?!

[fringe escarp]

Do you feel like a glazer rn

[wet condor]

But there can be an inkilng of it there

[pulsar timber]

He’s such a bad bitch

[pine ridge]

he would never rush the lore

[red lagoon]

Ur telling me out of everything in elbaf brook and gunko flashback is the most anticipated

[odd rune]

I cared waaay more about the loki flashback man idk

not even that i dont care about this

[ashen perch]

There's a very clear way in which Oda teases a flashback every arc, I call it the vagueposting method now

[odd rune]

i just didnt anticipate one at all

[ornate tartan]

brook gunko flashback doesn’t need more then 3 chapters

[rose rune]

no, it was just awful

[ornate tartan]

will probably be 2

[brittle basin]

god look at that clean inking

[red lagoon]

At the very MAX

[fringe escarp]

Unironically outside of Loki Brook and gunko was what I was most excited for

[ashen perch]

the vagueposting method has been applied to Brook and Gunko's as clear as anytime ever

[odd rune]

yeah i mean oda likes to tease things all the time i always think about law in dressorsa

[ashen perch]

so we're getting it

[tidal ice]

ragnir flashbacks sounds more interesting to me

[iron oriole]

Brook & Gunko flashback will beat Loki's flashback trust

[pulsar path]

Why would we not want more character development

[pulsar timber]

Arsal do you think the left eye covering is significant or a design quirk. I know we’ve seen both eyes in his normal form but maybe there’s something there with the tattoo also only going up to that eye

[grand flower]

If Oda is giving glimpses of it and setting it up, I assume he’s got a story to tell there

[fringe escarp]

Fr it’s a main character LMAO

[hot cairn]

the mural did

[fringe escarp]

Both 🤝

[pulsar path]

I'll take any of them getting more back story!

[urban lodge]

Yeah? What else is there? Before all this Imu stuff that no one expected, things that people actually wanted out of the arc

[odd rune]

Can someone at least explain to me and like post panels of why they expect one and what they think it will be

Like if we're being fr

[distant vine]

Fine

[leaden rivet]

Penny this is the first day I’ve been here hearing people say they actually wanted to see it

[fringe escarp]

Gunko is the single most abnormal covenant user

Nothing about her makes any sense with what we know

[red lagoon]

One piece world going to shit and u telling me the brook and gunko flashback is the most anticipated thing rn

[urban lodge]

Yes

[odd rune]

Am i a speedreader?

[urban lodge]

Yes

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[fringe escarp]

Yes 😭

[pulsar path]

Just simply Gunko breaking the mind control and running to brook and the small flash back panel of them other , knowing what Brooks connecting to a CD or princes of a countrh was and his connection to gods knights remember he knew what they were and that super uncommon as well

[red lagoon]

We deadass rn

[leaden rivet]

I mean for one Gunko is immortal,

[grand flower]

This panel raises questions like who is the father? who is saying their dream is to be a pirate? What happened here

[fringe escarp]

Unironically gunko makes no sense

[wet condor]

Penny is right in that, ever since it was hinted at, it's one of the most anticipated as in one of the most expected. Most wanted? Maybe...

[leaden rivet]

No other HK is

[ashen perch]

this is the vagueposting method 101

[pulsar path]

So many.

[grand flower]

What happened to the fathrr?

[red lagoon]

She liked him

Killed

[ashen perch]

this is CLASSIC from Oda, you never not get a flashback after this sort of thing

[rose rune]

she is a princess. the king is dead, brook wants to be a pirate

[spice python]

Isn't it brook saying that?

[urban lodge]

No

[fringe escarp]

Gunko has the immortality of the gorosei while she was at the absolute lowest rank of covenant

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭

[brittle basin]

We are definitely getting the flashback. Probably sometime after Imu leaves.

[grand flower]

You asking me

[thick maple]

This enough of a flashback tbh

[fringe escarp]

Even now she has gorosei immortality

[pulsar path]

I need confirmation tho 😭

[grand flower]

That’s why we bouta get a flashback

[wet condor]

But there were other things that people have wanted more this arc. Like Loki flashback, Harald, Rocks

[fringe escarp]

She’s also someone who’s treated as a right hand to imu

[red lagoon]

3 chapters max

[fringe escarp]

Who tended to his quarters personally

[brittle basin]

Or rather I hope it is, I don't necessarily want it in the middle of a showdown this monumental.

[pulsar timber]

Oda has been hinting at brook and Gunkos connection during the arc then we finally get this glimpse. I expect to see this stuff covered. From gunkos childhood to the death of her father. I don’t think it’ll be 8 chapters though. More like 4-5 or something like that

[wet condor]

It's happening this arc yeah lol

[hot cairn]

Macks, even if you don’t think it’s neccesary you can’t deny it’s been clearly set up in the arc

[spice python]

Yeah I want a flashback too but I think it's likely Brook is saying he wants to be a pirate

[grand flower]

Gunko manifested her DF from the Omen flames earlier in the arc

[brittle basin]

i agree, i just don't want it to interfere with imu

[pulsar path]

Also how does that work he had someone else there when he went back

[grand flower]

She was also the top prospect in me valley

[pulsar path]

So how do they pick the person

[hot cairn]

then take it off

[pulsar timber]

Gunko is also imus attendant and as far as we know no other holy knight fill that role

[rose rune]

already did

[pulsar timber]

It’s a very weird situation with lots of explanation needed

[grand flower]

Even over Garling, she was projected to win the singles completion @odd rune

[ashen perch]

I think Egghead is where he was still clearly trying to figure out where he wanted to be pacing wise, Elbaf's been an improvement in that he has managed to not introduce as many elements to the arc as he used to while also placing the sufficient amount of emphasis on everything. Elbaf's pace makes me confident enough about things moving forward.

[fringe escarp]

Ye gunko seems extremely irrelevant yet is given top tier relecancg

[hot cairn]

I still see it

[ashen perch]

😭 ⁉️

[brittle basin]

wait, i also felt this same way

[distant vine]

1. Imu manipulated her memories somehow
2. Imu has a sort of control over her thats more personal, even changing her name

[grand flower]

I was genuinely speechless

[red lagoon]

THREE CHAPTERS MAX

[grand flower]

Yeah like cmon Theres so many questions about Gunko

[pulsar path]

I mean personally when I seen gunko tho ik they were like important compared to the others in some way just a bunch but

[brittle basin]

how long would egghead had been without the pace increase?

[fringe escarp]

Ppl want to return to Kaido lvl flashbacks

[fringe escarp]

Oh yeah I just mean like her place in rank

[odd rune]

😬

yo....

[red lagoon]

What more did we need to see from kaido

[urban lodge]

Realization:

[fringe escarp]

@ashen perch do you see why I have a little mania now

[native cloud]

Relax, we’re from a 6 month break

[red lagoon]

I’m asking a question

[pulsar timber]

Kaido flashback is him being in like 3 other characters flashback

[red lagoon]

Questions can’t ask question no more

[distant vine]

OP fans are such calculating budget cutters about screentime man

Can you people chill

😭

[pulsar timber]

His central one just explains his upbringing and what he was doing

[ashen perch]

EXACTLY

[grand flower]

Kaidos flashback wasn’t teased like Gunko’s was

[red lagoon]

Ye

[native cloud]

D’Fuck

[red lagoon]

What’s wrong with that

[fringe escarp]

Kaidos was

[red lagoon]

Do we need to see kaidos journey

[grand flower]

No Oda, I would like less story please.

[distant vine]

"IF ODA GOES TWO CHAPTERS ABOVE THE SET LIMIT WE'RE FINISHED!!"

[ashen perch]

Indi you described it super well, these people are arguing here like the panel time is being paid for from their pocket

[fringe escarp]

Unironically yes we have no explicit reason why he came to Wano

[pine ridge]

we already got more with the god valley flashback

[fringe escarp]

It wasn’t for something generic like power

[brittle basin]

I can give you a real opinion: I'd happily let One Piece stop right now, unfinished, if it let Oda retire for once and enjoy his life.

[ashen perch]

''Oda dude we're running out of budget, no more story''

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[graceful belfry]

Lmfao Arsal

[fringe escarp]

Kaido came to Wano for a specific significant reason

Kaido somehow knows who joyboy is

[grand flower]

We weren’t getting glimpses from Kaido before it

[native cloud]

Someone important might die this arc, and it might be Loki, but are you guys prepared for that?

[distant vine]

I'd happily have him continue working for the rest of his life 😼

[grand flower]

He learned from King

[ashen perch]

Oda doesnt even want that

[urban lodge]

Yeah that's just ridiculous, and it's this mentality that because a lot of time was spent on something then you gotta sacrifice something else

[rose rune]

I had the generic luffy pfp

[fringe escarp]

This is never said or implied

[pine ridge]

it'll be jarul or gaban

[pulsar path]

Tbh the giants are being used as fodder

[red lagoon]

Bruh

[fringe escarp]

Kaido when king mentions joyboy knows who he is

[native cloud]

Gaban can’t die

[brittle basin]

I know.

[graceful belfry]

Episode 1015 final scene Luffy pfp

[pulsar path]

Like how did they lose limbs and Zoro and Sanji survived

[graceful belfry]

Aka racist final boss

[distant vine]

Zoro blocked 😼

[fringe escarp]

And if Kaido GENUINELY didn’t know who joyboy was then he came to Wano for no reason

[ashen perch]

I respect Oda's wishes on this, and I am glad that he is taking care of his health like he has insisted he has for the past 4 years

[pulsar path]

Luffy? Or joy boy!

[red lagoon]

Niggas living life Ona timer can’t be stretching ts out no more

[grand flower]

1. Pluton

2. He knew Joy boy was prophesied to return there

3. The Kurozumi hag convinced him it was a good opportunity

[native cloud]

Bruh Oda has been throwing us off

It literally doesn’t make sense

[pulsar path]

Usopp or brook than

[fringe escarp]

The joyboy thing is impossible if he didn’t know joyboy existed til king told him

[pulsar path]

I can't see any other straw hat being killed

[ashen perch]

no he just used different techniques, what doesnt make sense lol

[rose rune]

luffy

[grand flower]

King had a reverence for joy boy

[red lagoon]

Stansen and gerd is not zoro and sanji

[fringe escarp]

He never once mentions pluton

[pulsar timber]

Neither Zoro nor Sanji were cut

Stansen and Gerd were

[urban sluice]

deranged

[fringe escarp]

The kurozumi shit is not enough given how he describes his reasoning to Yamato

[native cloud]

Giants loosing limps but not the SHs

[fringe escarp]

It wasn’t for “weapons”

[urban sluice]

you'd let his lifes work stay incomplete?

[brittle basin]

I think he deserves it. He doesn't think he does, but I do.

[red lagoon]

For a gunko and brook flashback how long do u expect it to be

[fringe escarp]

It’s implied to be a lot deeper

[ashen perch]

because they were hit with different moves

[urban sluice]

he loves one piece

its not just for us

[brittle basin]

good for him

[fringe escarp]

5 chapters minimum

[brittle basin]

don't care

[pulsar timber]

4-5 chapters at most

[grand flower]

You can read that as his initial interest was in Pluton and the opportunity the Kurozumi offered him to build a massive army. Then he learns about Joy Boy and his ties to Wano, and that cements his resolve to never relinquish Wano

[red lagoon]

minimum

[pulsar path]

That's what I mean the giants lost limbs and sanji and Zoro were untouched

[graceful belfry]

Too many

[native cloud]

But still you know what we’re trying to say lol

[fringe escarp]

But again he never once mentions pluton

He has literally no idea it’s in wano

[pulsar timber]

Yeah because imu didn’t try to cut them

[fringe escarp]

The only thing tied into his motivations is joyboy

[red lagoon]

What the fuck do gunko and brook have goin on that needs to be shown in 5 chapters minimum

[ashen perch]

nah its a non issue lol, Imu was showing his bag here, he was trying all sorts of things

[pulsar path]

Oda didn't have the guts you mean

[grand flower]

He announces to his army that their plan is to seize the ancient weapons and the one piece in order to wage war on the world government

We learn from odens father that he sent Jack into the lower city. Pluton is the only reason he’d have to do that

[pulsar timber]

4-5 chapters too may but 20 in depth kings not… I see you…

[native cloud]

How are okay with that design though?? 😭✋🏽

[hot cairn]

oh I didn’t see it

[red lagoon]

Sometimes u have to put 2 and 2 together not everything needs to be explicitly stated fr

[grand flower]

Odens father outright speculated that pluton might be why he sent Jack there

[ashen perch]

He cut two of the giants, he kicked Sanji, he shot a bullet sized blast on Zoro, he shot a mega sized blast on Hajrudin, he shot a medium sized blast omen at Gunko and he buffed/healed the HKs. He was doing a lot of things

[grand flower]

That’s Kaidos entire character

It’s what makes him such an engaging villain

[graceful belfry]

Fairs

[ashen perch]

he only cut twice, thats all

[fast pagoda]

Imu the master amputator

[grand flower]

OP fans will look at a puzzle and go “ what the fuck, where’s the picture”

[ashen perch]

I am more than okay with it, I love it

[native cloud]

Dude???

Why??

[fast pagoda]

He basically ran 90% of the gauntlet in a single chapter

[ashen perch]

yeahh

[rose rune]

I will change it for you tho

[distant vine]

Wow people would really be ok with never learning about why Imu nabbed a princess

[pulsar timber]

I’m kidding. Wha you propose I DO want but I try to tend to realistic to odas style. If it happens great, if not then it’s no big deal for me. Story isn’t any worse for it

[native cloud]

Bruh Kat and Doffy got better designs you know that right??

[ashen perch]

okay??

[wet condor]

This is the part that's kind of interesting

[distant vine]

One that was sitting in the room as the nun btw

[wet condor]

Why go out of your way for her

[ashen perch]

its fine if there are better designs, but this is one still sick lol

[native cloud]

Oda could’ve done better that’s all I’m saying

[ashen perch]

not everything has to be the best ever, although I think Imu is def up there

one of my favs immediately

[distant vine]

How many chapters until Luffy comes back guys?

[grand flower]

It’s so crazy because the first couple years after Wano people wouldn’t stop talking about dropped set up

[distant vine]

Place your bets

[wet condor]

The design is solid

[graceful belfry]

Three Gunko/Brook chapters should be enough to lay out the entire context of their relationship, but I wouldn’t be offended by an extra one or two, in all seriousness.

[ashen perch]

1

[fringe escarp]

I checked and I’ve found nothing implying he knew

If I recall Jack went down there because there’s a secret entrance to wano underwater

[grand flower]

1-2. Maybe 3

[pine ridge]

or why brook thinks she killed her father

[distant vine]

5

[fast pagoda]

I think Imu is gonna ignore Luffy ironically

[ashen perch]

oh right, there's a break again after the next chapter, so maybe two

[fast pagoda]

He's gonna insult a weakened Luffy and say he will never be Joy Boy

[fringe escarp]

One that avoids the giant walls

[rose rune]

oh jolly

[urban epoch]

I like the design cause it takes inspiration from a bunch of different sources, very distinctive design as well

[lofty fern]

Where did he go, we just saw him

[native cloud]

The cliffhanger from next chapter is going to be generational 🔥🔥

[prisma yacht]

No more captain chaser and the icecream

[grand flower]

No, Kaido sent Jack down there by strapping a rope to his waist and dunking him in

The implication is he was looking for Pluton because there’s no other reason for him to lower Jack into the lower city. Jack didn’t find it swimming, he was a fruit user

[native cloud]

What is this now?

[distant vine]

I guess people are more antsy now. Which I get but Oda still has to wrap things up properly, and part of that will take opening up new plotlines like we see in this arc

[fringe escarp]

Do you have that panel

[urban lodge]

I'm convinced no one actually read Elbaf by now many people think there's not that much to explore in a Brook and Gunko flashback

[fringe escarp]

Or have a idea where that is

[lofty fern]

That's a possibility. He seems to be less interested in Luffy than Elbaph. He didn't call for Nidhogg or Nika, but for the killer of Harald.

[fringe escarp]

Gotta go fast bro

[ashen perch]

short term memory loss

[fringe escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/brug-gif-20171258

[red lagoon]

Ppl wanting ts to be like 10 chapters tho

[fringe escarp]

YO??

[urban lodge]

Even I didn't say 10 chapters smh

[red lagoon]

I seen someone say 5 minimum someone said like 8

[hot cairn]

actually it was about the poneglyph but you’re right about everything else

[ashen perch]

been telling y'all, the fandom collectively suffers from amnesia. There's a memory reset every 3 chapters.

[urban lodge]

I said between 4 and 8 depending on how much of a good author remains inside Oda

[ashen perch]

Leaving only a few of the prior memories intact

[prisma yacht]

Ur replying to the guy who says that

[hot cairn]

oh nice

[urban epoch]

Considering how long some people have been into one piece, I wouldn't be surprised if they became senile due to old age

[fringe escarp]

In any case Kaidos character was so significant that we really needed a flashback digging into him

[red lagoon]

I think we saw enough of kaido

[fringe escarp]

He’s outright the most important antag in the entire story up to that point

[fringe escarp]

That’s wano fatigue not a flashback L

[pine ridge]

I want it to be as long as needed. maybe there's only enough for 1 chapter or maybe it's a major plot point that requires 20 chapters to cover. I just dont want oda to rush it for the sake of saving a bit of time

[urban epoch]

Kaido is unimportant at this point in time

All eyes on Imu

[fringe escarp]

I meant in wano

The 3 page flashback was absolutely worthless

[urban epoch]

It was aight

[hot cairn]

he’s eating in the school

[fringe escarp]

To this day we have no idea if the oni are a race or not

[red lagoon]

Did we really need to see kaidos journey bruh

[lofty fern]

I was so tired of Kaido, I was glad he ended up as shallow as I assumed he was

[urban lodge]

Exactly, but people think there's a necessity to sacrifice something because we already had something else that was long and that's not how this works

[fringe escarp]

Nigga he was the main goal of 400 chapters of one piece

[urban lodge]

You're just wishing for a worse story for no reason

[fringe escarp]

And he got a flashback as long as senor pink

[lofty fern]

And sometimes that goal can be just really boring

[hot cairn]

chapter 1055

[red lagoon]

Kaido was the main goal because he got chosen at random

Law just decided between him of the 4 yonko

[fringe escarp]

And sometimes, get this

It doesn’t have to be that way

[pine ridge]

that's because oda didn't care to give his backstory much depth. I think when people say they wanted kaido's flashback to be longer they also mean more depth, not just empty panels

[fast pagoda]

I think he might take the Nidhogg fruit from Loki

[lofty fern]

I mean, he didn't justdecide, there was a reason he chose Kaido

[rose rune]

because of his connection to doffy, making it not so random

[fringe escarp]

Which aligned with dressrosa and Momo and kinemon

What is this argument lmfao

[red lagoon]

I just don’t see what more of kaido last we have to see

[red lagoon]

Fair

[lofty fern]

Law was going after Doffy, he honestly didn't care about Kaido at all when he made that plan/deal

[stone terrace]

Kaido was never the goal it was a suicide mission

[graceful belfry]

Franky’s entire flashback is told in like 4 chapters. I get there’s much to explore about Gunko and Brook and Gunko’s history with Imu, but let’s not underestimate how much can be told in 17 pages — one chapter. I think 3-5 is in the right ball park

[fringe escarp]

Because oda didn’t end up showing more, it’s been 140 chapters since wano ended I wouldn’t be surprised if you forgot the sheer amount of expectation and set up for his flashback

[fast pagoda]

He kinda included Kaido as part of the deal to get Luffy and the Samurai on board lol

[fringe escarp]

That didn’t come out of nowhere

Wano is the most significant arc in the entire timeskip

Arguably feeling like the end

[hot cairn]

agreed

[leaden rivet]

Law’s plan hinged on some bullshit yeah

A lot of the plans in one piece are pure luck

[red lagoon]

True

[fringe escarp]

Like are we really gonna say law and Doffy needed giant flashbacks while Kaido only needs 3 fucking pages

[wet condor]

^

[rose rune]

25 chapter backstory incoming right before Luffy lands the final blow

[fast pagoda]

Most main villains didnt get a flashback at all

[graceful belfry]

Drum Island style

[lofty fern]

I mean personally, Law didn't care. He actually didn't even know about the samurai when he put the plan together. His plan was to used Luffy and the SHs to help him with Doffy and die in the process. He had no interest in the afterward other than to get Luffy on board

[wet condor]

Law just wanted to kill Doflamingo. Angering Kaido was just a byproduct of that and a risk he was willing to take because he didn't expect to live through it anyways

[leaden rivet]

Penny we just don’t care to see it lol

[fringe escarp]

Yeah until Doffy

And guess who was the single most beloved antag up to that point

[leaden rivet]

I care about Gunko I just don’t care about her relation to Brook

[wet condor]

Most likable part about Law

[fast pagoda]

Why not?

[fringe escarp]

It’s almost like a in depth flashback literally only improves on a character

[urban lodge]

I mean sure at least you admit it, but that's not what others are saying

[leaden rivet]

It doesn’t mean anything to me, I’m more interested in why she’s so special to Imu

[red lagoon]

I’ll admit it

[fringe escarp]

If you want to cut out fluff in a arc the flashbacks are not where you cut

[lofty fern]

Law's plans are actually some of the most well thought out. They often get turned to having to rely on luck because Luffy's an idiot and messes them all up lol

[red lagoon]

I really don’t care to see ts

[fringe escarp]

Ask to cut out fights ask to cut out 80 pages of running sequences

[lofty fern]

Hmm, I think that's one of the most interesting things about her 😭

[urban lodge]

That would be explored in the flashback

[fringe escarp]

Why the fuck would you cut out character development 🥀

[ashen perch]

(Franky's flashback is like 6 chapters to be clear) but I agree, I am expecting 4-6 chapters personally.

[fringe escarp]

We alr saw all we need of franky

He’s a gangster

[urban lodge]

No disrespect to Franky but his story wasn't meant to be that complicated in the first place, with Brook and Gunko there's a lot more mystery to it

[fast pagoda]

I honestly do think Law could have succeeded on Dressrosa if Issho didn't come

[graceful belfry]

How many chapters is Robin’s? 7?

[urban lodge]

It's connected to Imu of all people

[hot cairn]

8

[stone terrace]

Franky has a better flashback than your favorite character

[fringe escarp]

Bro 😭

[ashen perch]

yea 8 and a bit more iirc

[fringe escarp]

It could’ve been a email 🙄

[fast pagoda]

Oda doesn't owe people flashbacks for a character

He writes the flashbacks he wants

[lofty fern]

Indeed, his original plan was to simply use Kaido as a way to back Doffy into a corner, but he was really after Doffy more than anyone else. He didn't care what happened to him

[urban lodge]

He's very clearly setting up one here though

[red lagoon]

The same way Kidd flashback Ina sbs loooool

[fast pagoda]

From what we saw of Kaido's flashback it wasn't that new or interesting so I get why it wasn't shown much

[icy wolf]

Usopp will die this arc

[lofty fern]

This is correct in a way, there are some characters that will never get a flashback

[hot cairn]

regardless if you want it or not, the Brook and Gunko flashback is happening, it’s clearly being set up

[fast pagoda]

Sorry, I was talking about Kaido, not Gunko

[urban lodge]

Ah true

[fast pagoda]

Gunko is absolutely getting a flashback lol

[grand flower]

I was mistaken

[stone terrace]

It wasnt interesting because we got presented a slideshow

[fast pagoda]

I actually do wish we saw at least a few pages of Kid's though

[lofty fern]

Gunko and Brook are getting a flashback, we already saw part of it, we just down have to see the full thing

[prisma yacht]

farts

[urban lodge]

Macks realized his mistake and disappeared

[ashen perch]

I dont have an issue with Kaido's flashback either, I think the alternative would have been very cool but at the same time, it isnt a big deal and we get enough characterization onscreen anyways.

[icy wolf]

omen is a powerup for the holyknights right

[red lagoon]

Damn a nigga can’t even leave chat?😭😭

[prisma yacht]

What if he's doing something important

Like pooping

[urban lodge]

The emoji he sent before leaving tells us a different story

[lofty fern]

What Oda might do is combine flashbacks just like he did with this Harald/Loki/Rocks/Roger/Rayleigh/Shakky Flashback he just did

[prisma yacht]

Did he send a happy emoji

[stone terrace]

🍑

[prisma yacht]

Oh

[hot cairn]

is this true? @odd rune

[ashen perch]

I like when Oda takes us into a character's world for a bit, makes them the main protagonist of their own whole story. That sort of thing would've been really cool with Kaido, but its okay.

[fast pagoda]

brap

[urban lodge]

Snitch smh

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-phillips-instiagtor-gif-22728638

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

[wet condor]

I'm fine with it too. I did want more but it isn't bad. People were expecting for him to go on a treatise about the necessity and inevitably of violence and war like Judge Holden out of Blood Meridian. That's what I wanted to but it's fine for what it is. I'm not confused really about what Kaido thinks and why he thinks the way he does

[grand flower]

That’s not true. Kaido being so significant means he needed to be substantial as a character. That’s achieved through things like his effect on Wano, his philosophy with war and combat, and his sheer presence through violence and battle.

It didn’t have to be specifically a flashback. A flashback is just for us to understand why the character is the way they are, and Kaidos flashback does that

That’s also not touching on the fact that every character who has a flashback that includes Kaido is also Kaido backstory

FUCK

Wrong tag

[grand flower]

#also-manga message

[wet condor]

That isn't the type of character Kaido has been presented as either. Not much for explaining himself or words. Not an intellectual barbarian

[ashen perch]

It was just Harald's flashback that also happened to feature them in different capacities. Loki, Rocks, or Roger are still going to get their own ones.

[fast pagoda]

Ok I dont get why Loki needs another flashback

[prisma yacht]

Also I believe kaido is like the perfect antag to have before entering the final war saga

[fast pagoda]

If you mean his time as a pirate

That can be shown somewhere else

[ashen perch]

it doesnt have to be now, but it will be anyways

[grand flower]

He spent 8 years at sea and encountered shanks

[ashen perch]

His time as a pirate, encounter with Shanks, Lola

[grand flower]

That’s true

[ashen perch]

we dont have to spend a long time on it, never claimed that smh

[red lagoon]

What do we need to see about Lola

[ashen perch]

it will be like 3 chapters

everything

cause none of it clicks lol

[lofty fern]

Eh, I think he took enough detours with parts that had nothing to do with Harald to make it about other people too

[prisma yacht]

Oh we gonna take down the big bad of this entire world? How about you have an antag who is how he is bcs of that big bads doings

[red lagoon]

They didn’t get married what more is there to it

Did I forget something

[lofty fern]

Be prepared for SBS land

[ashen perch]

yeah, but its still about him

god you guys are so terribly pessimistic

[grand flower]

Life depriving Loki of love is the common motif of his character

[graceful belfry]

We just need to see the moment and the circumstances that led to it tbh

[ashen perch]

I couldnt live like this, and I was very much like this in Wano

[red lagoon]

I just don’t get it

[grand flower]

His birth mother rejected him

His father was never home

His people shunned him

His brother rejected him, justified though

His idol refused him

His adopted mother died

He had to kill his own father then leave home

[prisma yacht]

Oh yeah surely , we learn more about his character whenever he makes an appearance

[red lagoon]

The water is empty

[grand flower]

Loki legit loses everything he loves or should be able to love

[graceful belfry]

Loki stopped believing in love so what led him to want to marry Lola? Was it even him?

That’s the important part

[ashen perch]

Loki well and truly loved her, its gonna be interesting to see how that played out for him. This is a guy who abandoned love just a few months into his life and I want to see how he managed to get it back briefly

[grand flower]

Exactly

[lofty fern]

I think the only thing we might get is the stuff with Shanks and that maybe Shanks was warning him that he can't handle the WG as he is and he remembers that as Imu beats the crap out of him

[leaden rivet]

She reminded him of Ida

Oda told me

[graceful belfry]

Maybeeee

[ashen perch]

the void century flashback will probably be just be an SBS

[lofty fern]

More realistic.

[ashen perch]

no.

[grand flower]

Shonen fans are oddly miserable about it

[red lagoon]

Ok u saying it like this makes me understand

[fallow maple]

wasn't it arranged with big mom

[red lagoon]

But I’d still rather not

[grand flower]

We’ll see the one piece in a vivre card

[ashen perch]

so true

[fallow maple]

that makes me wonder, it was an arrangement so big mom could get closer to elbaf
did she make the arrangement with loki himself or someone else?

[ashen perch]

I mean if it can be said in text

[lofty fern]

I'm actually thinking it was some giant pretending to be Loki which is how Oda will explain away the huge difference in silhouette

[ashen perch]

does it need to be done as a chapter? chapters?

[grand flower]

Luffys dream will be an editors note

[graceful belfry]

No, it was said that Loki “fell in love at first sight.” He was a suitor

[ashen perch]

coooking

[red lagoon]

Ok so loki just thought she was a baddie

[grand flower]

This is why I join book clubs

[prisma yacht]

Bm just hates the missed opportunity

[graceful belfry]

Yeah that’s actually possible

[ashen perch]

Oda might as well just drop a brief summary of the final war right now, fuck it

have Pew post it on Twitter

[hot cairn]

idk whats going on with this

[brittle basin]

Ever since someone said it was actually Road pretending, I couldn't want it any other way

[leaden rivet]

The baddie in question

[fallow maple]

hot

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[ashen perch]

do we actually need to see the final war? its just a lot of action isnt it? nothing really matters yknow

[lofty fern]

I think when the narrator began to divert and say, "Now at this time, we're also going to talk about the idols of this land" then it basically diverts from simply being just about Harald.

[red lagoon]

Yes pls see

[hot cairn]

it’s because they compare it to other stuff every single time

[leaden rivet]

Such a silly straw man

[grand flower]

Incredible to me that people will read hope slop like OP and be such downers instead of talking about what would be cool to see

Pessimism is so lame

Cause it’s so boring

It makes for such uninteresting dullard conversation

[ashen perch]

What is silly is saying that the reason why Luffy even really got interested in freeing Loki will be dealt with in a SBS

[grand flower]

Where do we go from “I expect nothing but the worst”

[lofty fern]

It was, but then it was also stated that Big Mom arranged everything too. It's funny because the actual person Loki's going to get with was also arranged between his father and Neptune 😆

[leaden rivet]

Not like Kizaru’s biggest moment in betraying the WG and saving Luffy wasn’t in an sbs either

[prisma yacht]

Be prepared mu

[ashen perch]

Theres a fine line between being realistic and just being in this state of ''well I will just expect nothing and I guess be surprised when I get something''

[prisma yacht]

Godsopp is coming for u

[lofty fern]

Nose isn't long enough

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/luffy-funny-9

[grand flower]

Set up in my manga???

[urban lodge]

It's so crazy to me that people actually want Oda to rush the story

[ashen perch]

it was in the manga, readers just needed Oda to spell it out for them

[prisma yacht]

This is so funny tho

[leaden rivet]

It was a heavily debated topic that wasn’t revealed until an sbs

Don’t be silly Arsal

Oda is willing to do things like that

[ashen perch]

it was always Kizaru, the first panel after ''omg who fed him!?!?!?"' is Kizaru

[leaden rivet]

Part of why it was so debated is because Kizaru blasts vegapunk anyway

So it’s a mystery, maybe you believed it but many didn’t

[prisma yacht]

Kizaru betraying wg sbs case is the same as shamrock being the person who met gorosei

[ashen perch]

its him going ''.....'' in his mind, thats the very first shot after Saturn asks that question

[red lagoon]

It was obvious lol

But oda and toei had to clear all doubt in ppl

[leaden rivet]

It’s easy to say it’s obvious when you have the answer in front of you, but many many people do not agree that it was obvious

[ashen perch]

that doesnt matter

[leaden rivet]

And people even called you dumb if you think he fed Luffy considering he blasts Vegapunk in the back

It does

Because it’s a major reveal that’s in the sbs

[ashen perch]

it was in the manga, the whole point is the subtlety of the moment

[graceful belfry]

In this instance, I don’t think it was arranged since Linlin had such horrific standings with the Giants. Why would they wanna arrange a marriage with one of her children, which is, in a roundabout way, an alliance? Type of thing. It seems more likely to me that Loki, or whoever was standing in his place, was actually enamored with Lola. But there’s a significant chance of this getting retconned or turned into something with completely new context

[red lagoon]

What is that saying

Show not tell or some shit like that

[hot cairn]

I think people are just to afraid that Oda might not make it to the end and want to see the story end before that

[urban lodge]

Yep, but is it worth sacrificing the quality of the story for that?

[ocean totem]

Loki for pirate king low key

[red lagoon]

It’s valid reason

[ashen perch]

Kizaru is so uncommitted to betraying here, that he doesnt even let anyone see that he betrayed them. He's a cowardly cog in the machine, who was straight up shy to even appear to be shaking the system

[red lagoon]

If one piece turned hxh I don’t know what I would do with myself

Will i be debating Mihawk vs shanks till i die?

[ashen perch]

its baffling to me

[leaden rivet]

Idk why Imu speaking in such clear and present English feels so weird to me lol

[hot cairn]

No, I think not

[lofty fern]

Love the little Nika at the top on Ragnir. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Luffy joins in with Loki relatively early

[stone terrace]

Egghead skip

[hot cairn]

banger panel

[red lagoon]

What this mean

[graceful belfry]

Loki has gotten so many good panels this arc

[graceful belfry]

There was a mini time skip during Egghead

[ornate tartan]

good point, why did the way imu speaks change, or it’s just the way they translated it

[graceful belfry]

Which seems to be a polarizing decision

[ashen perch]

A lot of people dont even acknowledge when they are clearly vouching for a sacrifice in the quality unfortunately

they dont even realize that they are wishing to be smacked by a 10 ton hammer on their pinky toes

[red lagoon]

When they captured York and them?

[ocean totem]

Imu's at least 800 years old is why lol

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, it skips over the resolution to their fight with York and the Seraphim

[lofty fern]

I don't mean that kind of arranged. I mean more like Loki or "Loki" was interested in Lola and then BM took the reins and just arranged the whole wedding, bride and groom be damned.

[graceful belfry]

Oh, yeah. That’s definitely the implication from those pages. They tried to set the marriage up and the Giants were even open to it, but Lola didn’t fuck with Loki LOL

[lofty fern]

He's still talking old school archaic, Feeso was just being lazy

[graceful belfry]

It’s so funny that the Giants became even more upset with Big Mom over this. Like, they really didn’t want Lola to have any autonomy

[ashen perch]

apparently he did stop speaking in third person, which is interesting

[hot cairn]

it's because they only think of the story in a very short term way. Wanting everything immediately instead of letting things happen. One Piece just isnt that type of story.

[ashen perch]

I guess we'll wait for the official to see it properly

[graceful belfry]

MU IS NOT PLEASED

[ashen perch]

patience is so key to enjoying the series

[ocean totem]

You've gotta think of the context too

'cause Loki definitely tried to rampage when Lola said no

And the giants probably wanted him married to chill him out

[muted hedge]

just like Harald and Ida i guess

Harald mellowed out after meeting Ida

[graceful belfry]

I like to imagine that he had a frowny face and that the flower he tried to give to her immediately wilted in his hand

[lofty fern]

I would be Jarul or Hajrudin popping up behind Loki like: "Well technically Loki, you were off of Elbaph for most of the time after Dad's death so even if this guy wanted to find you...."
: "Shut up Hajrudin, he doesn't need to know that!"

[graceful belfry]

Have you heard about the theory that says it wasn’t actually Loki? Lol. I’m halfway sure it’ll actually be him tho

[muted hedge]

who else would it be?

[cosmic hamlet]

[prisma yacht]

Pack it up mu sama ur reign is about to end

[rose rune]

and kermit the boy of joy

[prisma yacht]

HEEEEHAWWWWW

[lofty fern]

I mean, the OP world is not a modern one. Having royal kids have an arranged marriage is the norm. It has very little to do with the autonomy of the individual

[prisma yacht]

[graceful belfry]

YC said it could be Rodo and that made me laugh cause it’s an amusing scenario. The theory is being framed through the lens that the Giants actually had a plan or some ulterior motive

[ocean totem]

Given the prince bit I'd be surprised if it weren't

[prisma yacht]

Did I win

[ocean totem]

also Imu is about to lore dump Nika and Joyboy to Luffy

[prisma yacht]

You didn't ask to bet for the 2nd match

[frail cradle]

yo

[cosmic hamlet]

Second match? Its not completed yet

[muted hedge]

so Road would just pose as Loki in order to get laid?

[prisma yacht]

Oh

[muted hedge]

i mean, i guess he posed as the sun god...

[prisma yacht]

Who did I choose

[cosmic hamlet]

You already bet both matches at a time in afternoon

[prisma yacht]

Ah yes csk

[warm sierra]

big mom came to elbaf the year loki was born no? I feel like she would know how he looks

[lofty fern]

Some random giant taking on Loki's reputation. I think Harald dealt with similar stuff

[muted hedge]

people trying to imitate him?

[frail cradle]

so zoro is unaware of conqueror haki because mihawk never taught him at all?

is it because mihawk himself doesn’t have conq

what a joke

[lofty fern]

i wouldn't bet on it. Imu is a man of few words right now

[lofty fern]

pretending to be him to get what they want

[graceful belfry]

No Like the Elbaf government had some sort of ulterior motive and sent their prince, “Loki,” to attempt a marriage with one of Big Mom’s children

[pulsar path]

Destroying whole cake

[muted hedge]

would they even want that though, don't they still frown upon Big Mom for what she did long ago?

[frail cradle]

as if rock’s flashback ain’t enough

[muted hedge]

i don't think that Elbaph would want anything to do with Big Mom

[frail cradle]

oda is gonna make elbaph the dumpster arc

you just put every lore in there

[graceful belfry]

They do, but they were supposedly open to the idea of a marriage with Lola and even got more upset at Big Mom due to Lola’s denial

[keen quiver]

I feel the davy jones and joyboy lore dump is later

[fast pagoda]

He probably wants to get all the main exposition outta the way before the final war

[muted hedge]

at least it would explain the sillhouette, lol
though i think it is Loki and he just saw Ida in Lola

[fast pagoda]

Aside from the void century of course

[raven ridge]

How many chapters of Elbaf was the Rocks flashback?

[pulsar path]

I mean how else do you make sure the hypest arc doesn't become a let down

[high wolf]

Maybe because Zoro hadn't unlocked it yet

So Mihawk couldn't sense it

[muted hedge]

i don't remember the context to the marriage not going to lie, but right now it makes sense if it was only the giants which Loki brought with him the ones who wasn't killed by Harald in the incident on Ouest castle

[graceful belfry]

Here’s the two pages where they talk about it, Sabaku

[frigid gulch]

Ragnir hype

[leaden rivet]

I mean conquerors haki seems like a good thing to teach regardless of if the person has it or not

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[keen quiver]

Loading carbs

[frigid gulch]

Let’s see if Imu shattered the ice

[pulsar path]

Sometimes I feel like oda retcon the kolla thing

[prisma yacht]

Getting buffed up before he dies in the next chapter

[ocean totem]

Imu actually likes to talk a lot though, I'm sure once Nika pops up it'll be a shock enough to draw some narrative out lol

[keen quiver]

Likely did but guessing gunko is gonna be intercepted by brook

[high wolf]

Who did you pick for the first match ?

[pulsar path]

Or it's going to have something to do with he pink hair and mosa/shirhoshi if mosa is her

[hot cairn]

Luffy will be like: "Who???"

[ocean totem]

Yep, now we're getting void century from the person that literally made it

[muted hedge]

yeah, i don't think that the greater extent of Elbaph was included in the choice given this would be when Loki was out at sea, right?

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-scrat-cracking-ice-jumping-on-nut-oops-gif-794136390495367648

[keen quiver]

Bean i dont think we getting a whole extra flashback rn

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/im-done-i-give-up-explosion-im-out-done-gif-15166912657804849718

[keen quiver]

😭

[ocean totem]

Maaaybe, or it might be the other way around, with Davy Jones and Joyboy stuff now and the Nika lore going 1000+ years back later

[ocean totem]

Nah not a flashback, just a little speech probably

[graceful belfry]

I think the circumstances will be vastly different from what was presented in chapter 858. But I don’t think Oda’s gonna completely throw it to the wayside, especially since that’s the first mention of Loki in the story

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-marineford-marshall-d-teach-yami-yami-no-mi-akuma-no-mi-gif-3973199884179227657

[prisma yacht]

We are getting the name of the ancient kingdom tho

[ocean totem]

Some summary of what Joyboy did and how the void century went down, maybe like a few images, but I don't think a flashback

[frail cradle]

so after elbaph ends we’ll get 2 chapters of lodestar and 1 closing chapter of laugh tale

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-2

[frail cradle]

got it

[keen quiver]

I want to hear more about both, if imu could stop being vague about what either of them did to him.

[frigid gulch]

Anime filler cool

[pulsar path]

I freaking hope not! I always found that plot interesting and old Loki is so much better than new Loki

[frigid gulch]

[warm sierra]

Lola arrived on thriller bark 5 years ago but we dont know when she left totto land iirc. Technically the arranged wedding could have been the event where Shanks captured Loki

[keen quiver]

When all else fails post anime fillers

[frail cradle]

i just dont want the lore to be dropped in elbaph

[frigid gulch]

Caught by surprise

As usual

[keen quiver]

Ah so 1 swipe and he immediately ran

Lmao

[muted hedge]

oh interesting

[frail cradle]

let rocks & loki’s flashback be the stars for elbaph arc

[pulsar path]

Do you guys think shanks haki can see so far into the future that he knew he had to keep Loki on elphaph for Luffy to meat(meet) to fight Imu ? Am I just being too Charlie day?

[frail cradle]

don’t add more

[keen quiver]

Shit is always funny that bepo supposedly can beat all 3 he just chose to run before teach made him into a fur rug

[frigid gulch]

Nah

[muted hedge]

Bepo would've eaten Blackbeard

[keen quiver]

Soonest next arc

[pulsar path]

I mean why would shank care than

[cosmic hamlet]

What?

[prisma yacht]

Guys

Guys

[pulsar path]

Shanks has no really reason to bring Loki back

[prisma yacht]

Shanks has MAKIno

[urban lodge]

Meek hacked Fr0n

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/false-facts-fake-news-gif-3718583105056900815

[dense pike]

Shanks has maKINO

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-skyrim-skyrim-skeleton-shield-gif-7083637920855619649

[muted hedge]

you're just denying reality

[prisma yacht]

Maki haki

[frigid gulch]

Just returning him to his home

[pulsar path]

Why? Lol

He's a pirate

[frigid gulch]

Cause of that

[keen quiver]

You do it so naturally you don't notice

Its ok

[frigid gulch]

Maybe also cause they can bind him

[pulsar path]

Unless Loki was how he got yonko

[high wolf]

You made a bet with fr0n, right ?

[pulsar path]

It makes zero sense to even be involved

[cosmic hamlet]

No

[frigid gulch]

The timeline does match

[high wolf]

You didn't??

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-1

[high wolf]

Damn

[keen quiver]

Beating loki doesnt feel like its what got him yonko

[cosmic hamlet]

Nope

[prisma yacht]

Its a group bet

[graceful belfry]

Well, yes. It could absolutely be Loki himself who fell in love with Lola. In fact, I’m more certain of that being the case than any of the alternatives. The theory is saying that Elbaf sent one of their Giants and had him pretend to be Loki, though. They had a motive in mind so they attempted to get in Big Mom’s good graces. Big Mom and company wouldn’t be privy to the attempted deception, so their recount of the story makes it sound more organic than it may have potentially been

[high wolf]

Okay Okay

[pulsar path]

True but wasn't he already a gods knight?

Couldnt he just ask to be yonko

[frigid gulch]

?

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/manexx-gif-24912552

[pulsar path]

Or proclaim

[muted hedge]

yes i am a genius

[keen quiver]

Idk if asking to be made a yonko is constructive

[pulsar path]

" father I want the sea to see me as a yonko tell the new papers "

[prisma yacht]

Wtf sab 😭

[muted hedge]

yeah could be..

[keen quiver]

Shanks isnt really a nepo baby

[dense pike]

perhaps he beat both Shiki and Loki within a short amount of time
defeating Wang Zhi definitely played a big (though not the entire) role in Blackbeard getting emperor status afterall

[muted hedge]

what

[stone terrace]

I have my doubts now

[prisma yacht]

You don't actually believe this

[stone terrace]

Cuz imus ass didnt even realize loki was niddhog

[muted hedge]

i mean polarbears do eat humans

[keen quiver]

It was definitely the 2 fruits thing, wiping out the remaining wb pirates forces and taking beehive.

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-one-piece-anime-one-piece-loki-loki-one-piece-gif-13584204944776282472

[prisma yacht]

Lol

[pulsar path]

I mean true but I think even if he like didn't ask them they would see it as opportunity to have a yonko under their control maybe but I also could see it. It's just weird feels like shanks was planning something by making sure Loki was on elbaf when he needed to be

[frigid gulch]

What diff will Loki take Imu to

[pulsar path]

I mean he probably knew imus plan

[frigid gulch]

Doubt he’ll use dragon form again

[ornate tartan]

extreme diff

[stone terrace]

Low-mid

[keen quiver]

It feels we will know whenever shanks shows up again

[dense pike]

yeah and wang zhi ruled over beehive
Im saying it was part of it
and so if Shanks defeated Loki, Shiki and perhaps did some third thing, that could maybe equate to a similar caliber of notoriety

[rose rune]

those are the same rings aquaman use to call for fish

[frigid gulch]

Imu blocking Zoro’s attack is pretty impressive

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-gif-602705143362947210

[frigid gulch]

He used KOH three sword serpent

[pulsar path]

Someone's gotta save these losers on elbaf (kidding ) lol but yeah when is shanks piece

[keen quiver]

We have to see because as it stands it just seems to have been from how many moves he was making ?

[muted hedge]

that someone should be Dragon

[keen quiver]

Definitely after this arc ends

[frigid gulch]

Either the tail is super durable or he coated it in haki

[prisma yacht]

Vivi hype

[frigid gulch]

Or both

[prisma yacht]

VIVI HYPE

[pine ridge]

the god king of one piece didnt die to someone who doesnt even know what conquerors haki is

[dense pike]

Yes, the everdreaded "we'll see" rears its ugly, yet correct, head
I concur

[ornate tartan]

the question is who’s gonna save imu

from nika and nidhogg

[pulsar path]

I mean yeah but wtf is dragon going to do to Imu I mean he totally could have other power. I think it's like 1. Shanks 2. BB and 3. Dragon I actually would like dragon to show up

[frigid gulch]

Did I mention die

[leaden rivet]

The god king is shanks not Imu

[frigid gulch]

[leaden rivet]

Don’t get it twisted

[keen quiver]

Its hard to tell how much shanks knows, since he's just currently off drinking and watching whatever teach is doing

[frigid gulch]

I’m saying that Zoro attack is really strong

[pulsar path]

I mean if you ask me that's the situation but the imu glaze is real

[muted hedge]

Dragon is probably top 2 in the verse, if we're going to be real

[frigid gulch]

It’d cut Kaido up without haki

[muted hedge]

i think Dragon is one of the few who could stand up remotely with Imu as it is right now

[pulsar path]

I just don't know cus we haven't seen crap

[ornate tartan]

im speaking with my heart, my mind tells me low diff lol

[frigid gulch]

Probably pretty bad too

[leaden rivet]

I mean what if Kaido blocks it also

[pulsar path]

Heart of the cards!

[frigid gulch]

That works

But Imu uses the tail

So his body

That’s what I mean

[pulsar path]

I want dragon to be the dude but

[keen quiver]

Its hard for to put anything on dragon rn since it seems oda is determined to use him for rhe final arc

[muted hedge]

Yeah, we've not seen it but i mean it's safe to assume that Dragon definitely is up there at least

[dense pike]

yeah ik, thats why i agree with you that we'll just have to wait and see
honestly my main reason for joining in is that I want Shanks to be the reason Shiki's plan didn't bear fruit the rest could go either way for all I care

[prisma yacht]

Bb might actually be top2 currently but not 2

[frigid gulch]

I’m sayin either the tail is crazy durable

[ornate tartan]

imus tail is huge

[frigid gulch]

Or Imu coated it in haki

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[muted hedge]

probably top 6 by the end of the story

[frigid gulch]

Obviously Imu’s haki > Zoro’s so

No damage

[pine ridge]

bro's whole crew got almost wiped by boa hancock

[frigid gulch]

But I think we’re about to see the true scale

[pulsar path]

Yeah true ! I just need to see something lol

[frigid gulch]

With actual top tiers

[urban lodge]

Bb is certainly top 1 fate merchants

[prisma yacht]

They weren't even there

[leaden rivet]

actual top tiers

[prisma yacht]

Only two of them

[leaden rivet]

So power cliff incoming?

[frigid gulch]

Nah I meant like relative to who Imu took out so far

Zoro, Sanji

[prisma yacht]

Also he got to boa pretty easily

Blehh

[dense pike]

well two of em were, but yeah it was only 2

[leaden rivet]

I mean he did admit Hancock could beat him

So it ain’t that impressive

[prisma yacht]

Ofc

He has lust

We have already seen him asking around about marriage lmao

[pulsar timber]

Yall ain’t ready for imu to violate loki and luffy at the same time

[urban lodge]

Won't be at the same time sadly

Loki will be first

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

Luffy will join midway thru the fight

[graceful belfry]

So the story has established strong Haki as a counter to certain DF abilities, right?

[hot cairn]

it looks like it wont be at the same time

[pulsar timber]

That’s fine. Fighting two emperor tier characters back to back would be the greatest feat in the story

[prisma yacht]

They gonna last more than a chapter

[muted hedge]

it's either this or Loki will be toyed with and Luffy will come in at the last moment

[pulsar timber]

GOATMU

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[graceful belfry]

Darn it

[pulsar timber]

Mainly the insta win ones like laws teleport and sugars fruit

[graceful belfry]

I was gonna say give Vivi the Mero Mero and one tap Imu

But MAKI

[frigid gulch]

This brother is toast

[pulsar timber]

Maki is so funny

[frigid gulch]

Zoro killing him

[pulsar timber]

Imu has his own haki

[ashen perch]

I think its gonna be Loki v Imu, then Luffy and Loki v Imu, and then just Luffy v Imu

[keen quiver]

Has like 50 deathflags

[ashen perch]

its gonna be in phases

[graceful belfry]

Dude’s just holding his heart out in the open

Love it

[leaden rivet]

I mean why would Loki fall before Luffy

[pulsar timber]

Zor vs sommers Sanji vs Killingham or will the Strawhats help them ou?

[ashen perch]

because he's weaker

[leaden rivet]

Oh nvm I forgot you think Luffy is stronger than Loki

[prisma yacht]

Wommers gonna beat the shit out of anyone who's gonna fight him next

[ashen perch]

yes, I am reasonable

[urban lodge]

Loki has to stall while Luffy recovers

[muted hedge]

isn't that the natural?

[graceful belfry]

Meh. They shouldn’t need help

[leaden rivet]

No

[prisma yacht]

This will be the case at first idc about later on