also-manga

[red lagoon]

Like I don’t even understand

[grand flower]

It makes sense Imu woukd get mad that Rocks is attributing Imu’s achievements to Imu’s enemy when that enemy never achieved them

It also makes sense that Imu would get mad that Rocks is reminding him his bitter enemy hit the same achievements as him

That’s why the mystery is compelling

[knotty root]

I'd disagree. The straw hats still get development after their introduction arcs. The most apparent one being Robin in enies lobby. If you need anymore examples... Luffy during the marine ford saga, chopper during Enies lobby, sanji during whole cake is land, usopp in dressrosa, zoro in baratie etc. They still get development of course, imeven if its minor in soem people eyes. The only problem is that for a story as long as one piece, the straw hats would just become stagnant and eventually uninteresting as characters when in retrospect for the most part they have alot of depth.

[runic dock]

We’ve seen kings become pirates and vice versa a few times in this story , such as wapol

[muted hedge]

and Usopp did so with Brook

[runic dock]

I think wapol is a mini Davy jones

[keen quiver]

Yeah he likely was well known as king, then turned into one of the most infamous pirates that ever lived. To the point people nowadays know he was the greediest pirate

[muted hedge]

that's why the both of them are on the ground right now

[hot cairn]

lmao, that transition doesnt mean anything. It started with Sabo falling down then Kid and Law, then Koby rushing in then Vivi and Bonney. That means jackshit, again people were just being dumb.

[untold latch]

Yh I don't think ti would happen but it would be something I would be satisfied with if it did

[keen quiver]

I just want to know the connection between joyboy and davy jones

Outside of being d clan members

[stone terrace]

I dont think usopp will die but yasopp is irrelevant in that equation

[tough igloo]

yeah i think after Davy was no longer King , he became a pirate which was after Joyboy was already one

[stone terrace]

It would just be even more tragic that yasopp tried to hide when he was at wano

[tough igloo]

i think he died as a pirate, not as a king

[stone terrace]

Missed his only chance at meeting him

[grand flower]

Sabo is connected to Vivi, Bonney and Kuma so lining those three up to foreshadow paw paw Vivi isn’t far fetched at all

[keen quiver]

Davy jones definitely died a pirate thats a given

[runic dock]

Yep something like that

[grand flower]

Sabo met Bonney and they helped each other at the Reverie

Sabo knows Bonney’s father intimately

Vivi’s father died protecting Sabo

[red lagoon]

How is yassop irrelevant

[hot cairn]

[grand flower]

And told him to pass a message to Vivi

[red lagoon]

Ussop 100% will meet up with him again

[untold latch]

ur paragraphs contradict each other why am I even arguing with you

[hot cairn]

I’m not even against that theory

just that the opening doesnt show shit

[red lagoon]

Yassop meeting up with ussop to me is the same as shanks meeting up with luffy again

[stone terrace]

Usopps goals in life aren't related to yasopp. He doesn't become a brave warrior of the sea by meeting him

[grand flower]

Because they’re two alternatives

That’s why they contradict each other

I’m obviously not saying that both will simultaneously be true if you pay attention

[muted hedge]

i don't feel anything when it comes to Yasopp, i'll be honest

[keen quiver]

Just hard to parse a story after 800 years

[untold latch]

robin did, luffy does (hes the mc so isnt really counted) sanji did, jinbei is too early but you can argue yes but the rest not really

[stone terrace]

Shanks meeting up with luffy was a goal established in chapter 1

[tough igloo]

if Twitter didn’t spoil everybody nowadays , Anime Onlys would’ve been confused seeing Shanks with long hair and actual clean clothes in the opening

[ashen perch]

I think youre underestimating Toei's knowledge of future events Jesus, the producer of the anime literally knows the whole story including what the OP is and what the ending is

[grand flower]

Yasopp was his first inspiration

[stone terrace]

Which tbf doesnt need to happen anyway but that would trigger many people

[runic dock]

Davy BACK

[untold latch]

usopp hasnt sacrificed his life yet bro 😭

[keen quiver]

Davy keeps everything that sinks to him feels like darkness fruit stuff ngl

[red lagoon]

Yassop is ussops inspiration he’s his dad

[runic dock]

he’s getting it BACK

what was rightfully HIS (according to him)

[keen quiver]

If they misconstrued what he said as davy back

Lmao

😭

[hot cairn]

again, I’m not against that theory. Just that the opening doesnt show anything about it

[grand flower]

You can’t even argue how its not a valid thought to have

[ashen perch]

Even the producer aside, I can see Oda himself asking the staff to throw in some hints sometimes, its not unrealistic at all

[untold latch]

I dont think you even know what you're trying to say yourself

[ashen perch]

I generally agree that the anime is non canon, and thats due to the plethora of mistakes they often make

[untold latch]

if Imu's enemy has never achieved them how do they have the same achievements

[grand flower]

Nigga I’m saying Imu getting angry can make sense if rocks is wrong OR if Rocks was right

[ashen perch]

but there's some small things that always stand out

[grand flower]

Those are two ALTERNATVIES

[hot cairn]

you’re not giving any valid points

[ashen perch]

do you remember Kyoshiro?

[tough igloo]

I think Shuron used to say that Kurouzu translates to dark water … which is the bottom of the ocean 🤔 and lines up with it negating DFs

[ashen perch]

Kyoshiro was depicted ON the side of the Scabbards, before he even betrays Orochi

[grand flower]

I did by pointing out that Sabo, Bonney and Vivi are connected

[keen quiver]

Dark water you say?

Dark

[untold latch]

if rocks was wrong that loops back to the point why Imu would get mad regardless since Rocks is theoretically so far below Imu

[ashen perch]

that sort of thing can only happen with foreknowledge from the staff

[hot cairn]

well, the transition wasnt only about those 3

[stone terrace]

Thats the reason i cant call opening theorists completely delusional

[untold latch]

you've said the same thing for the past 10 minutes

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hot cairn]

again Arsal, I’m not arguing against the theory

[keen quiver]

I think its no coincidence rocks sword was called eclipse tbh

[hot cairn]

just that the opening doesnt really show nothing about it

[grand flower]

Becausw it’s not about Rocks, it’s about what Rocks is saying about Davy

[ashen perch]

this is why I am thinking a lot about the Usopp thing from this new opening too

I wonder what it could possibly mean

I have no clue really

[hot cairn]

nothing

[graceful belfry]

What are you referencing specifically

[grand flower]

The actual shot of dashing forward is only those three

[keen quiver]

His wife eris the goddess of discord

[tough igloo]

that part of the ocean is also called … wait for it … the abyss 🤔

[cloud charm]

Silver!!!

[grand flower]

Law, Kid and Koby weren’t part of the running forward animation

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/Animencyclo/status/2043347446848254338?s=20

👑 Cyclo (@Animencyclo)

#onepiece 👀

Everyone walking forward without stopping except Usopp??

Then when more things have happened, Usopp continues?!

Time LOOOOOOOP.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 12, 2026, 3:16 PM

[untold latch]

Yes we know that, but why would Imu care if Rocks wasnt there in the first place and isnt in any place to talk if it wasnt true 😭

why r ppl in denial over some of the most intuitive things

[ashen perch]

Usopp literally does not forward, they all keep on going

but he does not

[hot cairn]

uh that’s not true, you’re mixing up Sabo with Koby. Also, the transition does not start with them dashing foward tho

[grand flower]

Because Imu is petulant enough to get rage baiter over slander

[knotty root]

everyone will die and then finally usopp will step up to fight imu

[ashen perch]

it might look he's just hesitating to move forward, but he's not even moving forward at all

yeah well that user is clearly thinking it means timeloop is real lol

[hot cairn]

this is just silly

[ashen perch]

I dont buy it, but its a fun theory

[keen quiver]

Hmmm

[untold latch]

So you're saying Imu is sensitive that regardless of something being true or not and regardless of it being said by someone who is basically and infant, would still be mad?

[muted hedge]

i think it's just them showing Usopp's personality through the scene

[ashen perch]

its the same with Vivi going through the Kuma bubble, things that clearly stand out

[untold latch]

at that point theres a huge problem with Imu's character

[hot cairn]

Vivi didnt go through the Kuma bubble tho

[grand flower]

That’s what petulant means

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-1639610178022128587

[muted hedge]

i think they just thought that was a cool visual

[hot cairn]

thinking the openings say shit about the story is like thinking color spreads do the same

[muted hedge]

i don't think that Oda is deliberately giving them hints to what will happen in the future of the manga, by telling them to put stuff into the openings

[grand flower]

You really struggling with this concept and I don’t know why

[keen quiver]

If we went by the openings a bunch of stuff already happened

[hot cairn]

it’s just silly

[ashen perch]

ykwim, it transitions right before she's also about to

[untold latch]

bro ur js a contrarian atp because I've said the same thing to you but then u provide the same argument

like atp what am i supposed to do

[knotty root]

Has color spreads foreshadowed what will happen before? I can only remember it happening once with luffy holding some cards foreshadowing ace's death

[grand flower]

Rocks said one of Imu’s greatest foes was king

Either this reminds Imu that he almost lost, which made him angry

Or it’s Imu gettin angry at hearing ome of his greatest foes who gave him PTSD be praised

[ashen perch]

both are true

[grand flower]

Either way makes sense

[dim raven]

The devil's fruit might be the superior fruit to the darkness fruit

(Fire-fire and magma-magma, etc.)

[grand flower]

You accept that we don’t know either way, which is what makes it a compelling mystery

[tough igloo]

i would think the devils fruit is superior to every fruit lol

[keen quiver]

Gonna have to see whats going on with this.

[tough igloo]

can still be affected by other fruits but still superior

[ashen perch]

there's that one color spread where Luffy's both pulling a card of spade and a card of DEATH (Brook) in his two hands.

[grand flower]

While that’s true, the decision to go from Vivi to Bonney specifically is still a valid interpretation

[dim raven]

i meant the specific thing where some devil fruits are superior to other very similiar fruits

[grand flower]

You just don’t agree with it

[dim raven]

think theres a term for it in the manga but i cant remember atm

[grand flower]

But it’s still a valid train of thought

[hot cairn]

I don’t think so

[ashen perch]

and I just gave you the Kyoshiro example for the opening

[muted hedge]

yeah, definitely feels like overthinking

[graceful belfry]

The funniest thing about this openings convo is that there’s like, 30 openings we could look at to evaluate if they’re actually consistent with hinting at things happening before the canon. If they are, then it wouldn’t be so silly to consider

[ashen perch]

yeah

[untold latch]

But the point is Imu shouldn't be affected by someone so beneath him, especially if what they're saying isnt true and we've also seen how indifferent the hks, gorosei, Imu are when someone below them is saying something. So clearly Imu being affected this time shows theirs a high likelihood of truth in what rocks was saying

[autumn island]

There’s literally a panel during Ace’s and Blackbeard’s fight where Teach explains the Yami Yami no Mi to have the power to absorb the devil himself

[grand flower]

There’s no “should”

[hot cairn]

lmao

[grand flower]

It really can be either way

[autumn island]

If that isn’t foreshadowing then I’m not sure what is

[grand flower]

Imu still has the mentality of a human

[ashen perch]

this one is debatable

[untold latch]

based off what 😭

[ashen perch]

but it does exist

[weary veldt]

Not absorb, just nulify

[grand flower]

It doesn’t need to be true that Davy was king

[graceful belfry]

It wouldn’t be foreshadowing cause he’s just straight up telling us

[untold latch]

i give up gng

[keen quiver]

Lmao

What a coincidence

[balmy field]

aokiji moggin everybody

[keen quiver]

Holy

[graceful belfry]

[balmy field]

lmao

[tough igloo]

lmao i’ve never seen this before

[dim raven]

The yami-yami no mi being superior to the devil's fruit could be the case

[autumn island]

I also think it’s what Rocks meant when he found Imu in the Flower Room and said he would come back to overthrow him. That was the fruit he was looking for

[keen quiver]

Goda ?

[grand flower]

Imu becoming enraged that one of his most hated enemies is getting praise he doesn’t deserve makes sense dude

Simple as

[muted hedge]

so Oda just told them that Aokiji will join the Blackbeard pirates in 10 years from then?

[keen quiver]

He's just that good

Reminds me of the post ts opening around dressrosa

[tough igloo]

love that Luffy fit 🔥

[keen quiver]

The op fits are wild

[red lagoon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the top animator bosses didn’t know what was gonna happen in op

[autumn island]

I see Loki sailing with the SHs after Elbaf wraps up but not officially joining the crew

[muted hedge]

is this the same one where Sanji went against Kizaru and Zoro against Fujitora?

[tough igloo]

yep !

[keen quiver]

Yes lmao

[grand flower]

That’s not far fetched

Oda told his editing team Kuma would separate the SHs when he first showed Kuma

[keen quiver]

I mean both kinda happened

[grand flower]

That was hundreds of chapters before it actually happened

[muted hedge]

it sounds a bit far fetched to me, but i guess it could be true

[grand flower]

Keep reading

[muted hedge]

i think there's a difference between his own editor team and the anime team

the anime should just go off of what the manga has already given

[grand flower]

Sure I guess

[ashen perch]

Oda told Kohei Tanaka, the composer, about Binks Sake and Thriller Bark like 6 years before it happened too

and then they worked on the song together

[vital heart]

What came first the lyrics or the melody?

[ashen perch]

lyrics

Shinji Shimizu, retired producer of the anime and one of Oda's friends, knew the entire story

the ending, what the One Piece is, everything

[grand flower]

He also told the anime team about Rayleigh and to be sure he’s not called the wrong role years and years before we truly understood who Rayleigh was

[vital heart]

Do you wanna hear a crank theory I came up with

[grand flower]

No

[vital heart]

Some Dawn & Dusk timing

Ready

?

[grand flower]

No

[keen quiver]

Meek is meeking again

[grand flower]

Arsal don’t you dare tell him yes

[ashen perch]

Goro Taniguchi, the director of Film Red and the Ganzack special, he also knows the whole story, the ending and he also claimed that Shanks is just as important as Luffy

no I didnt even register what meek was saying

I dont pay attention

[grand flower]

Good

[muted hedge]

at this point i feel like Oda might have told it to his mailman

[ashen perch]

nah

I named two people man

😭

[muted hedge]

i know, i just wanted to be funny

unsuccessfully

[ashen perch]

its these 2 people + Oda's editors

[vital heart]

you know how the final words of Binks Sake is "a laugh tale" (waraibanashi)?

Warai banashi = warai + banashi = laughing + story = laugh tale

if we do some wabi sabi and split up the words in a different partition, we can write waraibanashi as:

wara + iba + nashi = STRAW + THORNS + NONE = No-Thorn Straw (hat) (implied) --> Laugh Tale = No-Thorn Straw (Hat) = A PERFECTLY CLEAN STRAWHAT

The StrawHat is the One Piece

@ashen perch @muted hedge @grand flower @keen quiver

[ashen perch]

but if he can give out the whole story to the top anime staff, he can say lesser than that to the lesser staff

do you remember the Hiriluk anime only speech about pirates?

[proud loom]

Wabi sabi?

[vital heart]

Idk what wabi sabi means

I thought it sounded funny

[grand flower]

Eyes like an Eagle

[proud loom]

It’s fun to say

[grand flower]

Bodies like steel

[ashen perch]

yeah

[grand flower]

Voices that tear the heavens asunder

Three colors of Haki

[ashen perch]

there's no way the anime just came up with that on its own lol

[vital heart]

depends

[hot cairn]

and people think Shanks’ whole deal in the story is just that he’s going to die lol

[brittle basin]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[muted hedge]

could just be something they thought sounded cool

[ocean sigil]

Hello

[ashen perch]

another example of Oda working with them

[grand flower]

Interesting

[grand flower]

LOL

[ashen perch]

thats cool

[graceful belfry]

The last bit makes sense. I can’t wait for the Luffy/Shanks link up. Oda has no choice but to convey it through 7-8 double page spreads

[red lagoon]

I’m people

[muted hedge]

feels like that's become an agenda at this point

Shanks dying is something a lot of people root for strangely enough

[vital heart]

@dense rapids Yo what happened to your Eris D Tar theories now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[hot cairn]

well, you’re wrong

[graceful belfry]

Shanks is off the chopping block, as far as I’m concerned

[red lagoon]

How do u know

I didn’t know u was oda

[hot cairn]

same

[ashen perch]

inversion of this as a double spread will go crazy

[hot cairn]

they just really want it to happen

[muted hedge]

i've never understood where the Shanks hate comes from

[hot cairn]

why is Shanks dying ?

[ashen perch]

Shanks will probably die but I just see it as a very late series thing

like just near the end

that late

[red lagoon]

I asked u a question first

U said im wrong like u know 100%

[prisma idol]

I don't and I feel like with each passing arc there is less chance it happens

[ashen perch]

BB v Shanks can and will happen soon, but it just will not end in Shanks's death

[red lagoon]

I just said I think shanks finna die

[prisma idol]

Especially after the Figarland stuff

[hot cairn]

no, I’m not Oda

[graceful belfry]

Prior to Figarland? Sure. Now? It wouldn’t benefit the character unless he was aptly explored prior, which just means he’ll make it to near the end of the manga regardless of whether life or death is waiting for him

[vital heart]

Shanks gives his hat to Luffy, asks to keep the hat safe

Luffy gives his hat to Shanks, tells Shanks that he will keep him safe

[vital heart]

[ashen perch]

maybe Imu will kill Shanks if the Joyboy descendant theory is true

[muted hedge]

that would be a lot more interesting way of killing him off at least

[graceful belfry]

How does this even work lmao

[ashen perch]

wdym

[ornate tartan]

even Oda can’t kill Shanks

[ashen perch]

oh it wont be through Garling

it will be through Akamami

[frozen aspen]

who

[muted hedge]

Magnolia

[graceful belfry]

It’s random enough that I can’t really say I hate the idea. Just sort of funny to consider

[ashen perch]

Akagami's mother

oh right

she has a name

I forgot

lmao

[prisma idol]

Larper

Fake fan

[muted hedge]

i hope that Oda gets back to her and reveals more about her

[ashen perch]

it was in a recent sbs, I didnt really pay attention to it smh

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-gif-3557207383533596840

[frozen aspen]

no oda hates women,especially if they are mothers

[proud loom]

Of all the mothers I’m curious to know what happens to eris

[muted hedge]

i'm more interested in Magnolia to be honest

[graceful belfry]

The “revealing her name in an SBS” bit makes it even more amusing to consider ngl. At this point, that’s just an Oda-ism tho

[muted hedge]

Eris is going to be interesting as well though

[proud loom]

Was kinda strange how oda didn’t bother showing her face

[muted hedge]

he saved the lastname at least

[proud loom]

I mean it’s shanks mother

[ashen perch]

The idea is that it is what makes Shanks the Child of Destiny, and it stands in contrast to BB too, who is the descendant of Davy. It is another thread that ties their fate together.

Plus, Joyboy's silhouette has resembled Shanks in the past too

people really forget this one

[muted hedge]

Garling would definitely die if Imu found out that he had a child with one of Joyboys descendants

[ashen perch]

but that is just Shanks lol, down to even him having just one arm

one arm being visible atleast

[graceful belfry]

Figarland genes stronger than Joyboy genes

[ashen perch]

Figarland genes are irrelevant sorry

[proud loom]

Yeah that does kinda look like shanks 🤔

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-gorosei-gif-13739228584114994987

[ashen perch]

the mother's genes won, he inherited her unique red hair, who inherited it from Joyboy

[graceful belfry]

Irrelevant to the theory and story, yes. Funny as fuck? Also, yes. Anyways, I’m just giving you a tough time. I don’t think this is an awful theory or even one that’s low probability

[muted hedge]

identical

[ashen perch]

yeah

[rose rune]

great pic of Devon

[ashen perch]

also I still see that right arm as mechanical tbh, wouldnt be surprised if he also had one arm

it looks different than his left arm

[dense rapids]

Joy boy is Luffy with red hair

[graceful belfry]

Unique red hair inherited from Joyboy that Imu seemingly shrugs off. Goat of the world

[ashen perch]

Joyboy is Shanks with Luffy's outfit

[muted hedge]

the most interesting part about Shanks possibly being related to Joyboy is that Shamrock also would be

[proud loom]

I thought joyboy had a wooden leg

[ashen perch]

he's not seeing the screentones now is he

[tough igloo]

yeah this the main reason why i can’t support that theory .. Imu would just kill all 3 of them

[red lagoon]

U can’t just slime someone for having the same hair colour😭😭

[ashen perch]

he is only seeing the same red as like, Eustass Kid lol

I meant unique for us

[graceful belfry]

You can’t call it unique and then make the argument that it’s not unique within the universe itself. It’s just red hair then

[muted hedge]

i could see it as a way of Garling dying in the same vain as Saturn did, given they're in the same positions and roles of elders

[ashen perch]

Oda draws it in a unique way though

[graceful belfry]

I get that

[hot cairn]

crazy that Oda just said “it could sink the entire world” this early wow

[dense rapids]

Joy Boy = Red Hair

Davy = Blue Hair

[proud loom]

Maybe shanks has a really cool red hair and kidd has a really lame shade of red

[ashen perch]

Shamrock, Magnolia and Shanks, they all have a very specific screentone being used for the hair which stands out

[ashen perch]

its not gonna stand out in universe, but we'll recognize it as the reader

[muted hedge]

it's only used for Imu's skin color now too lol

[graceful belfry]

Again, Arsal. I’m just shooting the shit with you. This scenario playing out would be no different from Imu not recognizing Blackbeard’s face card as being similar to Xebec. It’s just a story thing

[ashen perch]

yeah, well thats probably because he is red

[tough igloo]

we setting ourselves up for disappointment when we know Oda gonna more than likely take the simple route and say Joyboy is a Monkey D and that’s why he looks just like Luffy according to Emeth 😂

[red lagoon]

Xebec and bb one is valid

[ashen perch]

its wildly different lol

[red lagoon]

But having the same hair colour

[graceful belfry]

I actually like the theory cause I actually like the idea of Shanks being tied between the Celestials and the D

[red lagoon]

Isn’t valid

U can’t slime someone out just cause they have the same hair colour as ur opp 800 year ago

[ashen perch]

a lot of people have red hair in the series, Shanks isnt unique per se

[red lagoon]

Are we deadass

Kidd has red hair too

[ashen perch]

its the same red too

just not in b&w

[graceful belfry]

I’d be more inclined to agree with this, yeah. The screen tones seem to be more for indication

[ashen perch]

yeah

[graceful belfry]

Arsal said it was unique

[ashen perch]

I clarified smh

unique in b&w

[graceful belfry]

Which it is, but not within the universe itself and I was just giving him shit for that

[red lagoon]

Idk why zoro is here

[tough igloo]

cause he’s zoro lol

[ashen perch]

unique in way that the reader can recognize

[proud loom]

Shark has red eyebrows everyone else has no eyebrows

Shanks*

[ashen perch]

you can see the difference right there yeah

[muted hedge]

Oda clearly wants to signify that Shanks sticks out whenever he is on page

[ashen perch]

Shanks has toned hair, Kid has blank white

[proud loom]

And his hair is little different

[ashen perch]

when colored, its both the same
when not, its clearly unique

its Oda making use of the b&w medium to tell us that Shanks and his fam's red hair is clearly special

[muted hedge]

here's the anime for comparison

[ashen perch]

yeah

[tough igloo]

this how I see Oda going with it

Lily related to Vivi (confirmed )
Teach related to Davy Jones (confirmed )
Shirahoshi related to OG Poseidon
Loki related to the God of War
Joyboy related to Luffy

Oda is a pretty simple man( in a good way ) lol

[red lagoon]

I acc think joyboy won’t be related to luffy

[ashen perch]

definitely

[tough igloo]

i used to think this until emeth said luffy looks just like joyboy

[ashen perch]

Monkey D (Pao) will be a companion to Joyboy

[hot cairn]

it would be kinda lame if Joyboy is related to Luffy

[graceful belfry]

Okay, guys, I have to stress that I understand that a lot of characters have red hair. I was intentionally acting obtuse with Arsal as a way of having a quippy last word. The theory itself is valid for a lot of reasons

[red lagoon]

Ye but u have to remember there both warriors in white

Not many people that are all white

[royal orchid]

saw shanks and Kidd and immediately concluded it's about Imu's skin color

[tough igloo]

yeah but 2 people in G5 don’t look just alike lol

[jade rain]

Joyboy is definitely not from monkey d family

[tough igloo]

they still have their own faces

just white hair and white clothes

[jade rain]

Imu would have ended that family line if he was

[red lagoon]

I sti think he meant from the all white

[runic dock]

Yep , in the manga his shade of red is the only shade of red used with that specific grey shading

[red lagoon]

Maybe he had a straw hat too

[atomic spindle]

He is from the Gorilla D. Family

[tough igloo]

they can’t kill Garp .. they made that clear

[tough igloo]

he represents too much

[ashen perch]

Emeth never sees Luffy outside of Gear 5

[tough igloo]

and they can’t catch dragon

[ashen perch]

Joyboy can look similar to Luffy in Gear 5 for sure, Nika seems to look similar as well

[graceful belfry]

Would probably be the lamest and safest route to take

[red lagoon]

If joyboy also has a strawhat then it’s totally valid that emett says luffy looks like him without the same face

[grand flower]

I wonder why..,

[jade rain]

Long before garp existed, imu would have hunted the joyboy family line like the davy's

[hot cairn]

[ashen perch]

Probably because it works when Luffy's heart beat goes doom dut dut da

[runic dock]

When joyboy is revealed to have the same shade of grey that shanks has in the manga

[ashen perch]

you see it Earl

[tough igloo]

just like when a lot said “ Rocks being related to Teach feels too obvious so Oda may not do it “

feels the exact same with Luffy & Joyboy for me .. i think all signs point to them being related to each other but since it feels too obvious it may not happen which is why i think it’s the case

[muted hedge]

man, they really didn't want to spoil Shamrock in the opening

they have his back turned

[runic dock]

Luffy being related to joyboy feels wrong

That’s not inherited will that’s just inherited blood

💀

[hot cairn]

that new opening is kinda mid

[tough igloo]

lmao that inherited will shit been dead

[ashen perch]

Pictured here is "Joyboy", his navigator Rizeru and his first mate Monkey D Pao btw

[graceful belfry]

[jade rain]

Yea all they did was put huge posters of him all over japan

[tough igloo]

it’s lineage piece now

[muted hedge]

i like it, i just wanted a more clear shot of Shamrock but i get why they didn't do it

[graceful belfry]

LMAO

[hot cairn]

yeah…

[ashen perch]

IT WASNT A JOKE

[muted hedge]

yeah, that's what makes it kinda funny

[ashen perch]

you werent supposed to LMAO at that

[runic dock]

[graceful belfry]

I know, Oda’s just a funny guy

Very discreet, you know?

[tough igloo]

who needs to inherit will when you can just inherit their genes lol

that’s how Oda been moving

[hot cairn]

I hope we don’t see any “Monkey D” family member in the Void Century flashback

[runic dock]

Na it’s what theorists want you to believe

But I think there is clash of ideals going on in the manga where some characters ARE inherited genes and they oppose inherited will

[muted hedge]

man, can you even tell what this pfp is

[graceful belfry]

I think it’s a bit more on the standard side of things, but still really good. The song isn’t all that great, but I only care about the visuals anyways

[red lagoon]

Shamrock

[hot cairn]

not at all

[ashen perch]

I agree. I think the idea is for inherited will to reign supreme over blood ties ultimately, Luffy over Joyboy descendant Shanks and Buggy over Davy descendant Blackbeard. Just like Zeff over Judge, Tom over Scien, Roger over Garling, etc.

[ashen perch]

?????

[tough igloo]

everybody relevant especially luffy already has special genes/lineage though lol so it’s too late now

[ashen perch]

Jesus, thats impossible

[muted hedge]

i mean can you tell it's a character

[frozen aspen]

kinda but thats bc i saw the exact frame earlier

[knotty root]

How would that even make sense

[tough igloo]

all the main people of the final saga have important genes /lineage

[jade rain]

It would be nice if this actually ends up being joyboy design, initial design for Luffy just like his VA or something

[muted hedge]

yeah exactly, otherwise you wouldn't recognize it

anyways, i'm keeping it

[ashen perch]

I think the eyepatched dude is Joyboy, not the Luffy lookalike

[graceful belfry]

Garp gave himself a D. initial

[grand flower]

@ashen perch you gotta stop with these crazy Joy boy theories

[hot cairn]

yeah it being in the standard side is what I call mid. The visuals are kinda cool but I just wanted more spoilers ngl lol

[ashen perch]

there's going to be a D representative of every single family in the void century, probably multiple even

[vital heart]

Wtf are u yappin bout

What is you talm bout?

[ashen perch]

theres going to be a Marshall D., Monkey D., Jaguar D., etc

[runic dock]

I would completely accept them being like a first mate or something , nothing wrong with that as th first mate wasn’t the one that all of void century is based on

[hot cairn]

why

[vital heart]

Call me Awkwafina bc what is you talm bout

[ashen perch]

meek genuinely what are YOU ever talking about

[proud loom]

I think the D clan is some sort of brotherhood thingy

[tough igloo]

I think Marshall D is just some shit Teach & Eris made up

[grand flower]

Blocked

[tough igloo]

maybe Marshall is Eris real last name but i don’t think she’s a D

[hot cairn]

lol

[ashen perch]

nah Marshall D. Eris is real

[graceful belfry]

Do you also want a hyper-intricate Void Century flashback with a large rotating cast of characters who are all established and have interesting motivations?

[ashen perch]

ofc

[hot cairn]

Isnt Marshall d a fake name?

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gordo-luffy-gordinho-gif-25125796

[knotty root]

sounds fun

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[ashen perch]

the D clan, they are all the descendants of the enemies of Imu

[proud loom]

Me if that ever happened

[ashen perch]

these arent crazy at all

[knotty root]

I'd be hyped for a 100 chapter flashback

[runic dock]

Yeah I think joyboy gave the D to his pirate crew , and those members of the crew passed it down thru their own lineages , explaining why there’s a giant D

[tough igloo]

i think the parallel will be …

Ace took his mother name out of love and admiration for her compared to the hate for his father

whereas

Teach just made up the last name due to the love he has for his father

[ashen perch]

Earl ignored me smh, not ready for Buggy to fulfill Davy's will clearly

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[muted hedge]

https://fixupx.com/sandman_AP/status/1980616258946232560
@ashen perch this might also hint towards Shanks and Shamrock being related to Joyboy

sandman (@sandman_AP)

In January 2025, when OP editor Fukuda had his first phone meeting with Oda, he was told that the chapter featuring Shamrock’s first appearance was *extremely important*, and that he wouldn’t understand its significance unless Oda revealed to him what the One Piece really is.🔥

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FixupX · Oct 21, 2025, 12:44 PM

[graceful belfry]

Take that @pulsar timber

[vital heart]

@graceful belfry I am willing to bet your first born child, Shuron's cousin, Juba's boss' wife, and Arsal's grandkids that the Void Century flashback will be ~40-50 chapters long, due to the fact that it will also include the 1st World flashback within it!

[ashen perch]

true

[ashen perch]

leave my grand kids out of this man

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[ashen perch]

what if its like 30 chapters

[vital heart]

It wont be

[red lagoon]

30 chapters

[ashen perch]

you just killed my grandkids for 10-15 chapters

[runic dock]

Exactly there’s been a constant theme of family ties vs inherited will , it’s gonna continue thru int the void century , and maybe buggy is included…maybe

[frozen aspen]

the one piece is shanks and his evil twin

[ashen perch]

cmon

[graceful belfry]

I’d fucking love a 50 chapter VC flashback so bet away

[grand flower]

Which cousin

[red lagoon]

50 chapters

[vital heart]

U really think Oda can cover hundreds of years of content within 30 chapters?? Mind you this needs to do the 1st world stuff which will be at least a volume on its own imo

[ashen perch]

yuppp

[tough igloo]

yall not ready for Nefertari D Buggy reveal ….

[runic dock]

Shanks mom was a D , and that was basically erased from history when Garling killed her without a second thought

[ornate tartan]

based on this panel, we can assume that Lokis goal is to be king of the world

we can also assume that he inherited rocks will

lmk what u think🔥

[ashen perch]

Garling's mistake was focusing on Davy too much

[red lagoon]

You think we finna see everything in detail

[vital heart]

yeah

obv

[ashen perch]

he did not notice Joyboy's descendant

[frozen aspen]

Garlings mistake was being a bum

[ashen perch]

he could, I mean 30 chapters that are packed can cover it. I would love more though ofc

[graceful belfry]

Fuck it. I’m getting fomo and the arguments have been convincing enough. Let me join your crew

[hot cairn]

he slept with her

that’s funny

[runic dock]

He felt SOMEthing

[muted hedge]

you're welcome

[runic dock]

Didn’t know what tho

[muted hedge]

yeah

[tough igloo]

nah imo Loki seems to just care about getting revenge for his pops and not actually becoming the king of the world and here he’s just saying if he had ran into them then he would’ve killed them all and took their place (which we know won’t gonna happen anyway )

[runic dock]

Shanks being a baby , especially a bonked on the head baby, would never ever know this

😔

[muted hedge]

Garling might even have feared for his own life and then decided to execute Magnolia to make sure that Imu would never find out about the lineage which he as unintentionally passed on

[runic dock]

Hmmm

[tough igloo]

how loki never made it to the redline while being on the seas for nearly a decade and is a giant flying dragon is still hilarious to me but oh well lmao

[runic dock]

That could be true too

[muted hedge]

and then we'll get a moment where Imu realizes it and Garling dies similairly to Saturn

[frozen aspen]

maybe he and zoro share their sense of orientation

[runic dock]

The op world is bigger than our world imo , but yeah loki was kind of blindly raging it seems lol

He had no target

Just violent rage

He didn’t know who to target

He attacked random marine ships

[tough igloo]

yeah we’ve seen so many pirates talk about making it to the red line within months/weeks yet Loki had a whole decade 😂like bro was you even paying attention to where yall was going

[proud loom]

You reckon he attacked the good marines thinking they were all bad ?

[tough igloo]

he clearly had no navigator 😂

[runic dock]

Yeah

He wouldn’t know or wait to find out

[proud loom]

Makes sense

[tough igloo]

and HE CAN FLY 😂 he so big that he can block out the sky so he should be able to make it to the red line much faster than others lmao

[runic dock]

I’m sure he would have legit become a yonko if things were allowed to fester longer lol

[knotty root]

Well he is blindfolded

[frozen aspen]

no such thing as good marines

[runic dock]

themes and such

[frozen aspen]

especially not in the grandline

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[red lagoon]

Tweakin

[frozen aspen]

no

[proud loom]

I wonder what smoker would’ve done in god valley

[runic dock]

Smoker is a good marine 😔

[proud loom]

Probably the same as dragon

[frozen aspen]

die?

[runic dock]

I think what dragon would have done

[red lagoon]

Do u acc believe there’s no good matines

[muted hedge]

Garp encountering Loki would be fun to see

[red lagoon]

Marines

[muted hedge]

i imagine that Garp would just throw cannon balls and Loki would have to evade

[proud loom]

Would smoker leave the marines if he was at god valley?

[tough igloo]

yeah i wonder if any top tier marines ever encountered him or was it just the fodder VAs

[runic dock]

Smoker could have been like dragon if he saw their evils directly first thing right when joining

[frozen aspen]

"good marines" are willing to look the other way when the WG does depraved shit so yes

[muted hedge]

i feel like some big shot has to have encountered him, otherwise it's really just a lucky coincidence for everything lol

[knotty root]

What is oda planning with smoker I wonder

[proud loom]

Dragon was probably forced into joining

[frozen aspen]

nah

[knotty root]

There's someone who said that smoekr will join the straw hats

I mean I wouldn't mind if he did

[runic dock]

That’s also a theory from a long time ago

[frozen aspen]

Garp probably told dragon a bunch of bullshit to get him to join the Marines but if anything, it was dragons own sense of justice that lead him to join the marines

Its also why he ultimately left after GV

[knotty root]

Just checked your joined date lmao. Never expected it to be that old

[muted hedge]

i think that Dragon was more or less born into the marines

[ornate tartan]

bro u didnt even notice what my message was implying @tough igloo

[muted hedge]

i don't think he had much of a say in it

[proud loom]

I genuinely thought that was nami as a celestial dragon for a second

[red lagoon]

U act like very marine knows what’s going on

[vital heart]

**GUYS MY 21ST BDAY IS IN 5 DAYS **

[ornate tartan]

this server is healing😂

[red lagoon]

U forget there not omnipotent like us

[muted hedge]

it is.

[red lagoon]

They don’t seethe ins and out of the op world like we do

[runic dock]

I love how dragon was instantly hostile after GV, he was already holding them up at gun point , he did not falter or try to justify even a little

[muted hedge]

it's from a scene in Film Gold where Nami is diguising herself as a celestial dragon

[proud loom]

Ohhhh

I never watched film gold

Only movie I fully watched was strong world

[red lagoon]

We even see on gv when dragon asked why there doing it he was immediately shut down

[ornate tartan]

that was a classic socrates take @tough igloo
Loki King of the World

[graceful grove]

Foreshadowing

[muted hedge]

i mean maybe, i wouldn't put it against Nami to have origins as a celestial dragon

[graceful grove]

it fits

[muted hedge]

maybe that's where her greed originates from

[latent hamlet]

Plot twist: every1 actually descended from celestial dragons

Every1 is equal

[hot cairn]

that was Mr Morj

[grand flower]

He’d probably have the same mindset as Garp

“Someone needs to be here to counteract this bullshit”

[graceful belfry]

At least one “this character is a celestial dragon” theory will come true

I’m thinking Mihawk or Nami

[graceful grove]

Lily = eve
Imu = Adam
Lily fed Imu the first devil fruit

[frozen aspen]

I doubt anyone who worked with the marines for a long time would miss the corruption. Especially within the grandline, where Saobody is literally a slavery hotspot. Sure some marines in bumfuck East blue in the middle of nowhere might bot now but even there we see corruption on smaller scales (literally Orange town at the vety beginning)

[proud loom]

That’s what I was thinking

[frozen aspen]

yeah unlike his looser of a father

[red lagoon]

They may see corruption but what can they do about it should they do

[knotty root]

I dont really watch his videos that much. Correct me if I'm wrong but do most people dislike him for his insane takes?

[red lagoon]

Just leave the marines and ignore it?

Or at least try to be the good in the marines

The normal ppl still need marines to help them

[grand flower]

Garp immediately attacked the highest ranking Celestial Dragon there was

[proud loom]

Mainly cuz of how much he cared for his crew in punk hazard

[hot cairn]

his takes aren’t insane they’re just dumb

[latent hamlet]

The burn it down option is good ONLY if u have a proper plan to have a new force

[red lagoon]

I think it was harald or rocks who even said the marines isn’t a inherently evil organisation

[latent hamlet]

Otherwise its just chaos

[frozen aspen]

He didn't even know what he was attacking

[red lagoon]

99% of the marines joined to do good and want to do good

[knotty root]

ah

[graceful grove]

That cant be true at all xd

[frozen aspen]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[grand flower]

As far as he knew, the highest ranking celestial dragon

[frozen aspen]

a black monster?

[red lagoon]

How can’t it

[grand flower]

I can’t wait for Oda to vindicate the good marines so we can stop the bad analysis

[grand flower]

He and his subordinates identified it as St. Saturn first

[graceful grove]

Do you think all cops join the force with good intentions?

[red lagoon]

U can’t take 1% of the bad and say that’s the marines a while

[red lagoon]

Most of them do what😭😭

[frozen aspen]

bad qriting to vindicate marines like sengoku and garp

[proud loom]

St Saturn looked like it was possessed by something unknown and I’m pretty sure it was attacking fellow marines too

[red lagoon]

Like 99%

[graceful grove]

99% xd insane

[frozen aspen]

I will not support them

[red lagoon]

Again

[proud loom]

Including smoker ?

[grand flower]

Okay but that’ll age like milk

[red lagoon]

Ur taking 1% of the marines

And saying that’s the whole organisation

[graceful grove]

Its way more than 1% lad

[latent hamlet]

Guys
Maybe
The marines are written to look bad
Cuz oda needed an obvious enemy

[frozen aspen]

there is no way its 1% I hate this watering down of marines crimes

[red lagoon]

Even rocks tells us the marines aren’t a evil organisation

It just has a few bad people in it

[ruby moat]

True it’s probably less

[red lagoon]

Majority of the marines are grunts who just want to do good

[muted hedge]

cinammon buns are so good

[red lagoon]

Like hat

Like what

[frozen aspen]

nice bait

[knotty root]

to be fair here we can't really know the actual percentage of good and bad marines since we've only explored the east blue and the grand line for the most part

[ruby moat]

Didn’t they say there were like 6 million marines or some shit

[ruby moat]

[brittle basin]

Morning, you pieces of crap like one piece?

[ruby moat]

Or was it 10 million

[tough igloo]

i think wanting to do good but still following horrible orders from horrible people makes it a tricky situation cause that don’t make you a good person

[red lagoon]

It’s like u guys just choose to ignore things

[hot cairn]

some people really hate the marines huh

[ornate tartan]

makes u a fence sitter

[tough igloo]

yep

[hot cairn]

that’s Harald talking

[frozen aspen]

we see entire marine fleets follow orders in. which they destroy or kill civilians. Pretending akainu and all the other genocidal marines are just a miniscule anount of the whole navy is delusional

[red lagoon]

Point still stands

[tough igloo]

i don’t wanna hear shit from Haralds about anything in the WG .. he’s the LAST person 😂

[ruby moat]

Following bad orders is definitely a bad thing to do. However I don’t think a large amount of marines are given bad orders like that, or atleast not nearly as many as ppl think

[proud loom]

How many were at marineford? I need to know so I can make whitebeard look cooler

[latent hamlet]

I think rocks respects garp

[grand flower]

100,000 iirc

[muted hedge]

remember the guy who didn't want to go to Marineford?

[frozen aspen]

let me check what happened to this guy and his island again rn

[proud loom]

That’s a big number

[graceful grove]

We can have an estimation on how many of them would know about the corruption of the organization, slave trading in Sabody, following every order of CD, never questioning them, all the genocide, hunting pregnant woman etc and still choose to stay as a marine doing the same thing or just looking the otherway

[frozen aspen]

[grand flower]

Some people won’t get it until Oda showcases the value of the good marines

[red lagoon]

U guys choose to ignore that most marines are powerless to the higher ups

When they speak up they get killed or jailed

[grand flower]

Shonen fans and subtlety don’t pair well

[tough igloo]

yeah idk that’s tough cause seen what all those average marines did to Law hometown , i can never look at them as the. same “ they want to do good “ guys cause they were straight up slaughtering kids and everything else walking cause they were “ ordered to “

[frozen aspen]

we have seen the marines in other blues through flashbacks, they are not much better there

[red lagoon]

Saying all marines are bad is just wrong

[ruby moat]

This is a clear example of a good marine being punished by mr bad marine himself

[red lagoon]

Like saying all pirates are bad is wrong

[tough igloo]

they are

[red lagoon]

There’s marines who do good and bad

There’s pirates who do good and bad

[brittle basin]

i know this smh

[tough igloo]

there are pirates who aren’t good people but occasionally do a good thing

but they aren’t good people

[ruby moat]

That’s still a small percentage of the entire force

[frozen aspen]

there is a fundamental difference between pirates and marines

pirates are not an organization

[proud loom]

Gosh I really don’t like aka*nu

[grand flower]

Oda including characters like Sengoku, Garp, Koby, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina, and T-Bone should be an obvious sign he’s gonna vindicate the good marines when the story gets to it

[tough igloo]

god valley as well , we’re told that was a normal thing they would have every couple years … how many times those average marines were slaughetering all those people every other year

[brittle basin]

i think there are a lot of marines. and I think Oda is using Harald as a mouthpiece.

[red lagoon]

Eveyrone forgets the Marines arent omnipotent characters who see the entire op world like us

[frozen aspen]

The likes of Doflamingo,kaido and big mom operate entirely independent from Luffy or shanks

[ruby moat]

2 islands out of like 10 million marines ain’t much

[knotty root]

Marco said there are millions of islands in the one piece world. If we're just taking an example of one and using it as a basis for the others, that just not how you generalise stuff

[grand flower]

We actually don’t know that the marines are aware of what’s happening. They’re not on the island until the pirates show up iirc

[proud loom]

Omnipresent

[red lagoon]

Thanks

I knew it was one of them

[brittle basin]

even when you see evil, my guess is most of the organization has not participated in such atrocities. It doesn't forgive said atrocities, but I think Oda is trying to inject nuance. HOWEVER......I think he could've done better on that front. But that's probably very hard with a week-to-week manga.

[proud loom]

Np 🙂‍↕️

[ruby moat]

And yea the marines who went to god valley werent briefed on it

[grand flower]

No that’s wrong, some were guarding Shakky

[red lagoon]

We even see dragon asks nd immediately shut down

[frozen aspen]

The marines sponsoring a genocide festival every 3 years is NOT normal

be serious ppl

[latent hamlet]

Also cuz oda needs a big enemy face

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-whoopsies-adam-de-vine-gif-7976025

[grand flower]

But it’s still not portrayed that they know about the genocide Olympics

[red lagoon]

The secret festival that most ppl will never know about

[latent hamlet]

And this is a shonen btw

[ruby moat]

Nobody is saying it is

[latent hamlet]

You're not supposed to have nuance

[red lagoon]

Again ur forgetting the marines don’t know everything

[hot cairn]

there was marines guarding Shakky, also, Dragon’s whole thing was seeing the cruelty of the game

[red lagoon]

Do u think they tell the average marine everything

The Marines is made up of 99% grunts who get told nothing

[tough igloo]

the marines are the ones transporting all the slaves to the island where the CDs are at ..

all it takes is common sense for them to realize that some bad shit is about to happen that’s not right

[knotty root]

No one said it was. But even if all the marines were that took part in it were evil, that's still in the hundreds compared to the millions that we don't know of

[brittle basin]

guys looks it's the funny number, look.

[frozen aspen]

they luterally do, we see marines on the island during the hand say they are jealous of the CD who will win and get to make Shakky his slave

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/buggy/status/2043711754815803483?s=46

bro leeching😂😂

Buggy (@Buggy)

#ONEPIECE

The Joy Boy and Davy Jones dynamic will be just like this 😂

X · Apr 13, 2026, 3:23 PM

[latent hamlet]

Oda: there's good marines!
Also oda

"YOUR FIRST ENEMY IS A TYRANICAL MARINE. AXE HAND MORGAN"

Genius

[brittle basin]

Goda

[red lagoon]

He shows there good and bad in everything

[tough igloo]

lmao Buggy fans still holding on

[brittle basin]

Charlos redemption foreshadowing

[ruby moat]

Yea but even before that was Coby who is mr good marine himself

[ornate tartan]

that’s the buggy in here pal😂

[tough igloo]

even after Imu straight up called Teach “ davy jones “ lmao it’s time to let it go Buggy fans

[red lagoon]

We got good marines like Fuji Koby smoker

Yet u guys saying all the marines are bad

Fuji was deadass freeing the slaves

[ruby moat]

“All marines are bad” is just looking at it in a far too black and white way when it’s clear there is nuance to it that will likely be expanded upon more and more as the story continues

[latent hamlet]

Akainu ruined the marines "good look" forever for like 95% of the OP community

[red lagoon]

Exactly

[latent hamlet]

Oda put in Greenbull of all people

Even Lucci was less racist

[tough igloo]

two things can be true

1.) all marines aren’t bad

2.) marines who want to do good but follow bad orders aren’t good people either

[latent hamlet]

And he just has a turn on for murder

[knotty root]

2. Is arguable

Highly dependent on the situation

[brittle basin]

first of all, that phrase is objectively untrue. however, if they mean it in the "ACAB" way, then yeah I can see where they're coming from.

[knotty root]

But it's not entirely wrong

[brittle basin]

but surely not every marine knows what's going on

[latent hamlet]

Oda: theres good marines I swear
Also oda:

[red lagoon]

We’ve seen information in op heavily censored and manipulated already so this is true

[brittle basin]

my king

[brittle basin]

within the marine ranks right?

[red lagoon]

Ye

[tough igloo]

nah you can stand up for yourself and not do something … but once you do it , can’t make the excuse “ well i wanted to do good but followed the order to do something horrible anyway “

[brittle basin]

how well does the WG prevent marines from speaking about atrocties they've commited?

[red lagoon]

Guys forget the main evil is the wg

The marines are just a face for the wg

[knotty root]

Most people in the world think devil fruits are a myth lmao. If something ridiculous as that can be true this statement is surely not impossible

[latent hamlet]

"I just work my 9-5 and go home. The fuck u mean my company has a lawsuit for working on the black market?"

[red lagoon]

Fax

[proud loom]

Only world nobles know

[red lagoon]

If u don’t live in the grand line you will probably never see a df in ur life

[proud loom]

Shoutout dragon for questioning

[ruby moat]

I mean yea if u wanna go for like true acab where its specifically calling them bastards for working within a bastardized system then that works

[brittle basin]

if the marines partake in the black market, there's a non-zero chance they've done business with dufeld, doffy, etc. right?

[frozen aspen]

the problem is that while we may not know every marine and how every squad operates, over the course of the series we have been shown an overly negative greater picture of the marines. Every other arc we are show that an island suffers due to the direct or indirect actions of marines. We have been given so much additional information on how they limit their "protection" regularly and will actively opress or kill innocent civilians in the name of "Justice". "Not all marines" is not a good argument when the narrative overwhelming goes against marines

[brittle basin]

or did dress confirm they did?

[grand flower]

very well. People regularly get disappeared

[civic dust]

They literally do trade deals with kaido lol

[brittle basin]

yeah, but calling them acab also feels like a way to handwave away any criticism or praise. OP discussions on this topic should be more nuanced than a simple label.

[grand flower]

that was through cipher pol, the marines were kept in the dark about that

[red lagoon]

The whole idea of good and bad isn’t black and white

[proud loom]

Even pirates didn’t know if such an event was true

[brittle basin]

i wish i had panels

[ruby moat]

The narrative overwhelmingly goes against marines bc the protagonist is a pirate who directly opposes them and the story wouldn’t be interesting if you saw random day to day good things the marines do (which they do do as stated by harald)

[civic dust]

It’s not that big of a secret. Seastone only comes from one place lol

[red lagoon]

Right and there pirates who travelled the seas

[brittle basin]

it mentiond the marines directly? been too long, so i've forgotten (and speed read)

[ornate tartan]

pirates are evil

[red lagoon]

If we had the pov from other people Luffy would look like the devil

[grand flower]

It was straight up a secret, drake only found out cause he was undercover

[brittle basin]

Smoker with the ice cream cone

[red lagoon]

That’s the whole point of it all u can’t just look at everything at face value in one piece

[latent hamlet]

This is a shonen

[graceful grove]

[latent hamlet]

We need obvious bad guys

[brittle basin]

This is a Wendys

[red lagoon]

There are obvious bad guys

[ruby moat]

Stuff like this is rly cute

[red lagoon]

But there’s also grey lines

[latent hamlet]

I'd like to order the chicken club sammish

[brittle basin]

oh yeah we have clear cut bad guys both in and out of the marines

[red lagoon]

Garp tries to do good but he aids the marines whilst being at the top so is he good or bad?

[ashen perch]

no it does not

[brittle basin]

i don't remember where seastone comes from. wano?

[graceful grove]

Do u have any grilled chicken extra spicy

[ashen perch]

it usually originates from Wano, but Skypiea and its island clouds also have naturally occurring pyrobloin, the main component of Seastone

[brittle basin]

i'll make it extra spicy just for you homie (enjoy the toilet)

[graceful grove]

I shall

[ruby moat]

Like bruh how u gonna say tashigi is a bad person for being a marine while she’s currently spending her life raising children who were victims of pirates doing experiments on them

[red lagoon]

Even vegapunk doesn’t know if joyboy was good or evil

[frozen aspen]

Yes the narrative is that of a pirate but there is a reason for that. You have to think for yourself why ofa choose luffy as a protagonist and not aomeone like koby who'd follow the path of a marine

[red lagoon]

It’s not that clear cut

[red lagoon]

Exactly

[brittle basin]

should we separate those two since you said "component?" and just say seastone comes from wano?

[ashen perch]

no because Skypiea is able to have its own seastone

[ruby moat]

Because its more interesting. Finding the one piece is a better plot than saving a bunch of ppl

[red lagoon]

U can’t just pick one side then ignore the good they do aswel

[brittle basin]

or can you suggest that all season originates in wano but somehow components of it made it to skypeia?

[ashen perch]

while having no connection with Wano

if seastone can exist without any sort of trade with Wano, then naturally Wano is not the only place

[timber glacier]

ya Wano was just stated to have the most

[grand flower]

Garp is clearly trying to save as many lives as possible while inspiring as many marines as possible to resist corruption

[frozen aspen]

its not that they are evil or bad people. Im saying that there is no good marines bc being a marine is not good

[ashen perch]

all sky islands have pyrobloin

so really, all sky islands have seastone

[ruby moat]

That’s a far too black and white way of looking at it.

[brittle basin]

does the manga itself state it originates from wano? and if so, is that a mistake on oda's part?

[proud loom]

Shoutout wyper

[red lagoon]

I’m not saying Garp is evil im just saying some things are a grey line cause he does this but turns a blind eye to marines tryna find ace as a baby

Good and evil isn’t black and white

[frozen aspen]

its not u can be a good person and still be blinded by the marines

[grand flower]

it's not like he had the capacity to stop it

[ruby moat]

Especially when the manga is pretty clearly setting up some of these marines to directly oppose the corruption within the system such as Coby and fujitora

[frozen aspen]

and not realize or acknowledge the full extend of the bad they cause

[latent hamlet]

Oda: marines are good!
Oda:

[grand flower]

Garp could have left the navy in protest, save far less people than he did by staying a Marine, and ultimately accomplished nothing

[frozen aspen]

thats the thing tough they'd have to actively oppose the system which currently they are not

[prisma yacht]

Warp

[grand flower]

Or he could grit his teeth and continue using Navy resources to save people while inspiring as many people as he can to resist corruption

I see why he chose the latter

[latent hamlet]

Garp leaves the navy cuz he angy

Gets lost

[red lagoon]

Ik he can’t stop it im just saying it’s not easy to say who is good and bad

[latent hamlet]

[ashen perch]

Hawkins makes the claim that all seastone throughout the world was born in Wano, its not quite clear what that means though and he could also just be wrong (he has never been to a sky island)

[red lagoon]

To the people who got killed they would say Garp is bad

[grand flower]

yeah i agree

[red lagoon]

But the pele who he saved would say he’s good

[latent hamlet]

Do u guys think garp knows where to go if he left the navy

He probably just swims in a random direction

[brittle basin]

ok I can see this being correct then if he's never been to a sky island.

[red lagoon]

I think Garp isn’t wrong for staying a marine personally

[red lagoon]

Cause I agree with this

[brittle basin]

how the fuck did you remember who said it arsal?

[ashen perch]

because it was a big thing in Wano's first 2 acts

Hawkins loved his seastone nails

[brittle basin]

nerd react arsal

[red lagoon]

Even with joyboy

[graceful grove]

I wonder what his son is upto

[red lagoon]

We hear joyboy is a liberator

[ruby moat]

They are being set up to

[red lagoon]

But we also hear he’s a destroyer

Even vegapunk doesn’t know if joyboy was good or bad

[brittle basin]

i haven't read wano's first two acts since 2019 and i was speedreading is my excuse

[latent hamlet]

I'd say staring east but do u think he knows where east is

[tough igloo]

i thought that was Nika who they said was a destroyer and liberator ?

[brittle basin]

in fact most of the new world is a blur to me

[red lagoon]

Ahh I always get it mixed up

Nika or joyboy whichever one but yeah

[graceful grove]

Depends if he can locate an eastern bird

[red lagoon]

It’s a bunch of grey lines

[graceful grove]

• oda

[ashen perch]

found it, maybe Mt. Fuji is somehow responsible for the pyrobloin in all the sky islands and Elbaf too, but I dont know how that would work

[hot cairn]

Garp convos are really controversial these days

I find that really interesting

[red lagoon]

I don’t think Garp is that wrong

[proud loom]

I think they both had bad people on their crew
Like joyboy had Zunesha and imu had that really evil donquixote ancestor

[red lagoon]

He’s not perfect

[latent hamlet]

Its because people think garp is an enabler

[proud loom]

Anything to win the war ig

[ashen perch]

but there's a clear distinction there, he never says that seastone only exists in Wano

[latent hamlet]

And that he should join dragon and punch their way to winning

[red lagoon]

But Garp not bigger than the program

[brittle basin]

SBS Oda about this and hold his feet over the fire til he gives a direct answer

[latent hamlet]

If garp joined dragon to punch the WG
He'd still lose

[red lagoon]

If Garp leaves the marines

[latent hamlet]

Bro needed Roger to handle demon rocks

[red lagoon]

Nothing changes

[latent hamlet]

Nvm Elders + Imu

[red lagoon]

That’s why I think saying the marines are bad is wrong

Cause u can leave the marines and then what

They continue doing there thing without u

[ashen perch]

I imagine he'll explain it eventually atleast

[brittle basin]

he says throughout the world but then says it originates in wano. so it's either he just doesn't know about skypeia or it's a mistake by oda

[red lagoon]

At least being good in the marine u can help people and make a change

[graceful grove]

If he joins revs and brings all of his supporters in marines, a lot will change.

[glacial bear]

What if Warcury becomes king of the pirates

[knotty root]

If a person from Madagascar for example were to kill someone. Would that make everyone who lives in Madagascar evil? No of course not. Generalisation is one of the biggest reasons why discrimination still exist in the even after all these years of gathered human knowledge from thousand of years ago. If a large amount marines in the world were to be corrupt like you said, revolution would be uninevitable within the citizens of the country. We've seen this clearly in alabasta where the people fight for their country due to their perceptive of corruption within the king, cobra. Even in a newspaper backs this up where nami read that there was a revolution in vira. Revolution will happen if there is corruption. It is something that is predetermined. Yes it can go on for a large amount of time, but it will always happen. Let's say the marines were formed 800 years ago, if the majority of the marines were to be corrupt wouldn't have they been apprehended much more earlier. The only reason this didn't happen is because the majority aren't corrupt at all. The ones we do see are within the minority. Yes a large amount, but it doesn't compare towards the skiutn of good that does happen everywhere else in the world.

[brittle basin]

just someone interview oda with every technical question we have.

[tough igloo]

would Garp have accomplished more if he joined the Revs when his son created them or not ?

one thing that would change is he wouldn’t train Koby (koby was always gonna be a good guy with or without garp )

[brittle basin]

he got time for the LA he got time for buffy

[ashen perch]

the wording is vague enough that he doesnt have to be wrong either tbh, maybe he just means that some event in Wano (like volcanic eruption from Fuji) is responsible for all the seastone throughout the world

[red lagoon]

Have a chance at making the change as a Rev or make guaranteed change as a marine

[brittle basin]

i think it would be cool if it was a volcanic eruption 'cause that's easy logic to work with

[red lagoon]

Plus Garp leaving doesn’t automatically mean anyone who likes him will leave

[proud loom]

Revs are broke aren’t they?

[tough igloo]

will Akainu want to go save Garp or will he be like fuck him since Garp went against orders (and also tried to kill Akainu 2 years ago 😂)

[ashen perch]

yeah

[glacial bear]

Akainu vs BB would be interesting

[balmy field]

nah he wouldnt ig garp getting captured is part of some plan and for kuzan too

[ruby moat]

I don’t think anyone’s going to save garp tbh

[glacial bear]

Because unlike fire. Lava would just melt the skin off your bone

[balmy field]

it wouldnt BB is js gonna neutralize him and sakazuki got no haki

[tough igloo]

i don’t think thats any plan at all and Garp was just being Garp

[balmy field]

he is js him

[vale heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1476293586894065724/arlongi.gif

[tough igloo]

i don’t think kuzan & akainu planned anything .. i think kuzan just hates akainu ass lol and would never work under him lol we can all relate to having a boss/supervisor who we hated working for and would never do it again

[wise vector]

Guys what do the leaks say

About 1180

[brittle basin]

haki ball. arlong upscale.

[balmy field]

dont ask here

[grand flower]

@ashen perch seem familiar, lately?

[balmy field]

js wait till the channel open or they post it

[untold latch]

i agree, its not like anyone really can anyway, unless garp survives long enough for aokiji to possibly betray bb

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-gif-5451841

[brittle basin]

never ask about spoilers in this server. we ban for it

[vale heath]

^ the leaks

[grand flower]

you've misjudged Akainu tbh

[brittle basin]

honestly, we should ban people just asking for spoilers because they can't be trusted by default

[proud loom]

Won’t it make the marines look bad tho?

[red lagoon]

Why😭😭

[grand flower]

zero chance Akainu will either allow a symbol of the Navy's strength to be killed by Teach

also zero chance he'd let an Emperor bully the Navy

[untold latch]

"we"

[ashen perch]

prehistoric asspiece

[brittle basin]

becauese i have trust issues

[red lagoon]

I ain’t ever missed a spoiler since I started reading them

[grand flower]

Akainu's definitely gonna try to get Garp back by force

[grand flower]

before Oda knew how to draw cheeks

[muted hedge]

i want Dragon to save Garp

[brittle basin]

i don't trust people not to "accidentally" spoil.

[ornate tartan]

tough luck

[tough igloo]

what if Teach does what he says and offers the WG a trade .. Garp for his kingdom …

will Akainu go along with it or be like

[red lagoon]

I’ve never spoiled one piece for someone

[graceful grove]

Revs make guaranteed changes too. Garp staying as a marine is a double edge sword. He is the poster boy for recruitment( which he got on the back of a genocide). Not all marines that joins ends up being good guys either. Most of them would obey any order they get or look the other way. He makes Marines stronger and they are most definitely a tool for CDs to oppress the world. No matter how much good average marine does, you cant overlook this

[ashen perch]

please do not ask about spoilers here, they will come out in 20+ hours as usual and the spoilers channels will be open by then.

[muted hedge]

Akainu till tell him that he won't have a kingdom left if he doesn't give Garp to them

[grand flower]

only option Akainu would take is taking Garp back fr

[brittle basin]

you're trusted. i'm talking about new users or people who seem to never post that randomly show up (usually white names) and ask about spoilers. i have no reason to trust their intentions.

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/no-haki-akainu-no-haki-gif-21739431

[muted hedge]

and Teach knows all too well that Akainu could bombard Hachinosu into ruins

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-one-piece-hachinosu-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-16343106473490930447

[glacial bear]

I prefer Akainu without the facial hair

[tough igloo]

cause if gorosei tell akainu “ we’re gonna accept BB deal “ or “ we aren’t gonna accept Teach deal nor go save Garp “

what will akainu do … jus take his own group of marines and go against WG orders

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/akainu-one-piece-4

[untold latch]

garp is basically retired, the only reason the navy will probably have to save garp is its a bad look on the wg if the hero is captured

[ornate tartan]

the whole concept of “absolute justice” is one of the most interesting ideologies in the marines

[brittle basin]

hell yeah it is brother

Wakainu

[brittle basin]

death to pirates

[ruby moat]

It would be cool

[red lagoon]

Fair😭😭

[glacial bear]

Sommers will be king of the world

[red lagoon]

Ban this nigga

[untold latch]

akainu praise?

[brittle basin]

the most common one i've seen is someone coming to #manga and #also-manga and asking a question that clearly hints at a spoiler.

[glacial bear]

I’m the owner of this server. Watch thy tongue!

[red lagoon]

Oh ye I’ve see it all the time

[red lagoon]

When spoilers drop they act like they cooked with a theory😭😭

[brittle basin]

that's where my trust issue stems from

[tough igloo]

but then that’s brings the question of at this point what will Imu view as more dangerous ?

• the WG face card looking bad to the public cause of Garp

or

• allowing Davy Jones descendant to have his own official kingdom lol

[ruby moat]

Idk I guess my opinion comes from a story telling standpoint. Garp went into save Coby. Now if someone goes into save garp it’ll feel cyclical. I suppose the cycle would break if they succeeded in rescuing him without leaving anyone behind but that’d screw over bbs plan. I think if something happens with garp it’d be something he does himself. I’m open to options tho

[grand flower]

well tbf absolute justice is the marine motto in general

[brittle basin]

yeah so I don't trust their intentions and I assume any question they ask is done intentionally to spoil others but hide behind the guise of innocence

[grand flower]

akainu's is thorough justuce

getting the job done and getting it done right

[brittle basin]

amen

[untold latch]

get Imu past king BB first

[brittle basin]

Wohara

[glacial bear]

YESSSS

KING BLACKBEARD

[grand flower]

The "yall aren't ready for HIM" meme is kinda accurate

i don't think people are ready for how layered akainu's character is about to be

[brittle basin]

Imu could more than likely annihilate BB. this is why I think BB will kill him via subterfuge.

[tough igloo]

can’t wait to see Akainu and Garling interact …

[proud loom]

Yeah ig that would make sense

[tough igloo]

Akainu hated the other gorosei, i wonder if he’ll feel the same about Garling

[untold latch]

powerscaling dont matter!

[glacial bear]

Akainu has the most critical damaging logia fruit there is. He’s an Endgame villain alongside Imu, Blackbeard, & Garling.

[muted hedge]

turns out they're best friends

[fallen meteor]

@trim lily are we going to the nl super cruise

[craggy vapor]

Akainu isn’t on that panel for nothing

[brittle basin]

yeah, BB is gonna pull something on Imu. At least, I think he is.

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/art-the-clown-terrifier-terrifier-3-gif-16556666397396487870

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/accino-true-don-accino-accino-one-piece-true-gif-16284932254616104620

[analog pilot]

yo guys

one piece is ....

[trim lily]

i can’t wait to lose all my money gambling with dan

[untold latch]

yh Laffitte is our triple agent

[grand flower]

Even aside from that, I was thinking about how he refers to Ohara as a sacrifice, how he tried to be diplomatic with the WB pirates before violence, and then how much Hibari being his daughter would humanize him

And there's what he said about Kuma being a puppet

[tough igloo]

do yall believe the “ gorosei traitor “ theory ?

not the “ garling plotting to take the throne “ stuff

[grand flower]

I think Oda introduced Akainu as such a bastard because he's gonna throw fans for a loop by humanzing him a lot

[untold latch]

none of the gorosei can realistically betray imu except maybe garling

[hot cairn]

“right”

[proud loom]

Will Blackbeard be killed at the end of the series and who will kill him?

[tough igloo]

why Garling

[maiden charm]

I think there's potential, I mean mars is always sweating and freaking out when anything different happens

[trim lily]

luffy and via drowning

[brittle basin]

when are we getting the mandatory sad backstory?

[proud loom]

If bb does die I think his crew would kill him

[glacial bear]

Garling wants to be the leader of Mariejois

And king

[untold latch]

BB can swim im telling u

[tough igloo]

lol what makes you think that

[still mason]

BB's crew loves him

[fallen meteor]

if i lived in the US i might actually consider this...kinda feeling fomo now

[grand flower]

I think he'll be defeated by being knocked into the ocean, but he'll have stolen Imu's powers by then. So he'll be immortal but trapped in the depths of the sea, sealing those three powers away forever