also-manga

[glass plume]

I just expect Imu to beat the absolute living shit out of everyone there before leaving.

You said it yourself.

[ornate tartan]

I think he came there to kill them

[hot cairn]

that would be cool

[glass plume]

"Major plot convenience that either nerfs Imus powers or makes them leave"

[ashen perch]

I dont believe Imu is nerfed in terms of strength, he is limited in terms of time

[thin quest]

I expect Imu will over do it. Kick everyone's ass but then need to go back to Mary Geoise to prevent whatever ailment hurts him by being away

[ornate tartan]

yes but he won’t beat the living shit out of them either

[ashen perch]

thats gonna be the main thing here

[glass plume]

He absolutely will, he already did so against Brook and Usopp.

[ornate tartan]

Luffy and Loki are strong

[restive wedge]

If Luffy loses his eye here it would be so hype

[ashen perch]

the time limit will prevent him from going all the way to murder, but it will not prevent him from bullying everyone

[glass plume]

Pierced by the tail of the devil

[ornate tartan]

they aren’t opponents who can be rag dolled by anyone if they team up, maybe individually but not together

[glass plume]

I think you're underestimating Imu.

[thin quest]

one thing to note, Zoro and Chopper are the only ones close to Imu right now

[glass plume]

Remember, Imu won over Joyboy and the world.

That's insane.

[ornate tartan]

Imu is without a doubt the strongest character

even EOS i think he will be 1st

[ashen perch]

Luffy and Loki combined are just barely 0.6 Joyboys, its going to be fine

[glass plume]

Luffy and Loki are also tired as of now, due to the lack of good food.

[ornate tartan]

this is probably the most excited i’ve been to see the next couple of chapters in a while

[restive wedge]

Where is Kizaru delivery service when we need it

[thin quest]

they are also at the Walrus School, kinda far away

[glass plume]

I wouldn't be shocked if Imu just shows up behind them. "Hello!"

[ornate tartan]

how will they survive

[glass plume]

Plot really.

[ornate tartan]

Imu can fly most likely

so he won’t have problem moving around elbaph

and he’s also probably super fast

[latent hamlet]

Hello there
Nerona Imu...

[glass plume]

I think they can warp similair to Van Auger.

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[brittle basin]

Seven days. Just gotta hold out seven more days. You can do this, Buffy.

[latent hamlet]

Just watch the LA to cope

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-general-grievous-funny-lightsaber-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-2904991883485250537

[ashen perch]

I will say, I think Imu will take some time to get to Luffy personally

[restive wedge]

Is Gaban out of the equation yet or nah

[glass plume]

Gaban maybe dies.

[latent hamlet]

Imu boss rush against all of elbaf

Imu's first fight: Usopp

[glass plume]

Gaban or Jarul

[brittle basin]

Possibly. He may be useful for the God's Knights, but not Imu.

[ashen perch]

he's gonna start from where he is, he's gonna start from Zoro, Chopper, Jarul, Dorry, Brogy and the GIant Pirates

he's not gonna jump straight to Luffy, so he will have time to recover

[glass plume]

I think they will, lol.

[restive wedge]

I feel like Gaban is likely to be a fake out death tbh but I've never gotten a prediction right with One Piece

[grand flower]

me neither fr

[ornate tartan]

so the inevitable hype tool is coming? damn lol

[prisma yacht]

Hopefully imu gets gaban or ripley

[ashen perch]

Gaban is going to be fine, he has stuff to tell us

Dorry and Brogy wont be so lucky though, Jarul as well

[brittle basin]

Dorry and Brogy death soon?

[ashen perch]

one of them atleast

[grand flower]

unless this is imu setting a setback onto our protagonists by killing a recently beloved character

DAMN

[glass plume]

What if Loki and Hajrudin are the only giants left after this

[latent hamlet]

Imu: you didnt wanna be my demons? Fine. You can be dead instead

[thin quest]

he's with Zoro and Chopper in close proximity to Imu,

[latent hamlet]

Wait guys
Its fine

[brittle basin]

Bring on the deaths, Oda. The LA has refueled my passion for consequences.

[latent hamlet]

Imu may be the devil

[ashen perch]

I just dont see it, Gaban has too much to do even now, it will also interfere in like 3 separate theories of mine so I am just gonna disagree anyways

[latent hamlet]

But zoro

[ornate tartan]

a character or group via which to show just how strong imu really is and the threat level he possesses to the nation of elbaph

the only question is who or what group is this

[latent hamlet]

Is the king of hell

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-hell-zoro-zoro-one-piece-one-piece-gif-15355197648417786079

Imu doesnt stand a chance

[thin quest]

I don't see Gaban dying personally

[ashen perch]

Oda didnt let Zoro get pummeled by the Gorosei

[glass plume]

I'm sorry giants, but I want Imu to wipe you out.

[ashen perch]

but Imu will be the exception

[glass plume]

ABSOLUTE MANSLAUGHTER

Leave Loki and Hajrudin tho.

[hot cairn]

Gaban has plot armor

[glass plume]

Plot armor is the biggest enemy.

[hot cairn]

using Zoro as a hype tool will go crazy

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zoro-vs-enel-eneru

[restive wedge]

Zoro's getting one tapped I'm afraid

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/4k-caught-caught-in4k-caught-in8k-8k-gif-20014426

[brittle basin]

Does Zoro getting one tapped mean the king of hell no diffed the.....king of hell?

[glass plume]

Zoro isn't king of hell.

[brittle basin]

stfu

[glass plume]

He just took that title.

[lofty fern]

For anyone who got confused on how the world government was created. I know it was a long time ago 😭

[brittle basin]

he is my king of hell

[glass plume]

Imu is my king of hell

[restive wedge]

He really just called himself that with no one else there to hear it

[stone terrace]

Bought into his own hype

[cold steppe]

The second he claimed he was king of hell the reaper was sent for him

[vast violet]

Yo nice name

[ashen perch]

huh, I did not know that Ganfall literally called Enel a Devil lol

Early Viz perhaps the worst translation ever

[glass plume]

FORESHADOWING

[stone terrace]

They really really wanted to avoid triggering christians

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-one-piece-imu-sama-looking-down-at-nefertari-cobra

[thin quest]

SkyPEAKia revealed everything

[stone terrace]

[prisma yacht]

[hot cairn]

man I’m so excited for the next chapter

[glass plume]

I've honestly never been more excited.

I think you can tell, given how OVER the top i am

[stone terrace]

We cut to koby and x drake

LMFAO

[glass plume]

No no no no no. 😭

[ashen perch]

but yea I was looking for this, this is what needs to be done to Zoro

[glass plume]

The community would go wild if this was released now.

[restive wedge]

Imu foot reveal would go crazy

[hot cairn]

peak

[stone terrace]

Id actually be terrified of my twitter timeline

[glass plume]

Lucky for you, Imu wears shoes.

[hot cairn]

ngl

true

new turn the page video

https://youtu.be/BzIlxWhEJe8?si=sAsNRlzdZcC0gPHb

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/boring-bored-5

[hot cairn]

they will go wild when Imu washes Zoro

[hot cairn]

@grand flower

[pulsar path]

I dead ass think Imu going to just talk 🤣🤣🤣

[glass plume]

I hope that he washes Sanji in the same chapter, so they don't have to go on a fucking winning spree on twitter.

[hot cairn]

you don’t think he’ll fight?

[ashen perch]

this was so crazy

[thin quest]

Wanji will low diff Imu and awaken his Color of Conqueror's

[ashen perch]

okay I need to close this tab, I'd start rereading skypiea if I dont

its too good

[pulsar path]

Lol idk oda might troll I can just see something like that I'm 60 40 like 60 he will fight

[hot cairn]

Luffy aint stuck in a snake rn tho

so I wonder if he’ll go for Luffy and Loki directly

[ashen perch]

I feel like he's gonna deal with what is closest to him

that being Dorry, Brogy, Jarul, Zoro, Chopper and the New Giant Pirates

[restive wedge]

I can't believe the chapter title with the old woman theory was a red herring for now

[cold steppe]

Classic Oda writing. Some characters will serve as an example

[hot cairn]

Jarul is cooked

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/win-never-lose-king-cry-gif-27126691

[cold steppe]

To showcase Imu

[glacial bear]

TRUE

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/kinemon-luffy-one-piece-scabbards-akazaya-nine-gif-25520488

[fast pagoda]

That does make sense but Imu arriving to hype on the giants a second time would be boring

[hot cairn]

Zoro being one of them is crazy, last time Oda used Zoro as a hype tool was Skypiea

[graceful grove]

Oda better not fuck this up. Imu need to drop half of these mfs

[fast pagoda]

I need Jarul to die though

Feels like Oda has made it obvious he will lol

[restive wedge]

It would be cool asf to see Imu just drop people left and right while Gaban is running tryna dodge it

[glacial bear]

Wooper Waban

[graceful grove]

Gaban can get it too

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/scopper-gaban-vs-luffy-one-piece-manga-gif-6482548627224722826

[leaden rivet]

🧍

[hot cairn]

Skypiea is good

[graceful grove]

Its the best

[leaden rivet]

If that’s what you believe

[graceful grove]

Indeed

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy failed to deliver what Imu asked from them, maybe he decides to punish them for it

also Zoro is part of it now

which is a big deal

[brittle basin]

Call me crazy, but I think OP is good.

[dark nymph]

crazy

[graceful grove]

Crazy

[restive wedge]

[leaden rivet]

One piece is good.

[graceful grove]

If that’s what you believe

[cold steppe]

There were some moments like water 7 and sabaody. Tho they all got defeated

Tbf for skypiea, that was like an early late new world last boss. It would make no sense if they put up a fight. It just so happens luffy is rubber

[ashen perch]

the concept of Skypiea hate is just baffling to me now

I thought we were past it

I was never in it, I always liked it

but I thought we ALL had grown past it smh

[hot cairn]

true

[leaden rivet]

I feel the same about Wano yet here we are

[ashen perch]

Wano hate is one of the most understandable things ever

[hot cairn]

both Wano and Skypiea are good

hope that helps

[ashen perch]

its the most clear cut flawed arc in the story, by far

[thin quest]

not liking SkyPEAKia is a show of poor taste and a lack of understanding the plot I'm afraid

[graceful grove]

Wano is good if you remove all the fake out deaths and add kaido and BM confirm deaths

[dark nymph]

its flawed but its about 8x more enjoyable than Skypia

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-wano-onigashima-gif-22439565

[past flax]

who is hating on skypiea

[hot cairn]

peak

[hot cairn]

Luci

[leaden rivet]

I’ll skip Skypeia on every reread

[dark nymph]

🃏

[leaden rivet]

Or else there’s no way I can continue

[hot cairn]

[past flax]

heyyyyy fellow my 2nd in command

[graceful grove]

U are crazy

[past flax]

are we keeping the moria agenda afloat

[urban lodge]

Wano would be good if we removed the Numbers and Yamato and Kid and Law vs BM and chapter 1030

[graceful grove]

Treating skypeak like Syrup village

[hot cairn]

how’s it going

[leaden rivet]

If we removed Yamato Wano would be a perfect arc

[past flax]

fake fan smh

[ashen perch]

this is probably why you hate it lol

[hot cairn]

yessir, Moria will return SOON and join cross guild

trust

[thin quest]

okay I see we're just trolling now, disregard everyone

[cold steppe]

If we remove 80% of onigashima wano would be a perfect arc

[ashen perch]

the first time I watched Skypiea, it was in the anime ofc, so naturally I thought it dragged a lot. It really brought down my opinion of the arc

[past flax]

imagine skipping skypiea when oda has made connections to it in recent years lol

[restive wedge]

At least it's not fishman island

[leaden rivet]

Onigashima is one piece at its best

[ashen perch]

but that first read? magical

[warm fossil]

the actual skips on rereads:
orange town
syrup village
post war
fmi
egghead

[leaden rivet]

Except Yamato

[hot cairn]

[past flax]

WHO IS SKIPPING EGGHEAD????

[graceful grove]

Moria should return to wano and rule it. Momo can piss off

[warm fossil]

everyone

[spice cairn]

Speedrunning strats?

[hot cairn]

buddy said egghead

[leaden rivet]

Switch egghead with punk hazard and it’s a little more reasonable

[ashen perch]

Reading Skypiea after only having experienced in the anime was genuinely magical, I was totally blown away by how good Oda's artwork, pacing and presentation was

[runic dock]

Skip skypeia so you don’t get spoiled on the ending of the series

[warm fossil]

couldn't pay me to read egghead

[runic dock]

Brilliant

[dark nymph]

nothing is skippable wtf

[urban lodge]

The only bad thing about Skypiea is Luffy being stuck in the snake for half the arc

[restive wedge]

Marinefored is skippable on reread too

[ashen perch]

I dont skip any arc on rereads

[past flax]

youre a kuma hater if you skip egghead

[spice cairn]

Skipedia?

[warm fossil]

highkey based

[hot cairn]

my first experience with Skypiea was reading it so it was peak for me, amazing arc truly

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[hot cairn]

COOK

[thin quest]

yup cook

[hot cairn]

Wano is overhated

[spice cairn]

What is there to skip in Marineford, its mostly just one line panels and dialog

[ashen perch]

yeah no the manga is phenomenal, the anime just ruins it a looot

[hot cairn]

cook

[spice cairn]

You mean speed glancing

[past flax]

me either i dont understand how any one does lol

[warm fossil]

arsal when its time to achieve absolutely nothing for 30 chapters between zoro and mihawk for the fifth time 🔥

[past flax]

if imma reread im rereading everything

[hot cairn]

post war is good tho too

[dark nymph]

Satori/hatori/katori were genuine ass icl

[urban lodge]

At least the anime made the Zoro and south bird shenanigans even funnier

[hot cairn]

exactly

[cold steppe]

I don't like most of onigashima. But I love wano as a whole. Heavily carried by act 1 and 2 for me

[graceful grove]

Same. I just hate watch syrup village and root for kuro

[hot cairn]

me neither

[past flax]

ppl who skip thriller bark i dont trust

[spice cairn]

Wano Act 1 sucks and is a lot more skippable, the other 2 acts are fine.

[ashen perch]

This isnt really a big deal, it doesnt take away any additional pages from the arc and instead is used to build up towards the big reveal of Luffy being Enel's one and only natural enemy. Maybe annoying if you only cared about Luffy, but there's just a lot going at the same time as he is stuck so its not a real issue.

[spice cairn]

But skipping isn't something I do.

[prisma yacht]

I skipped thriller bark

[spice cairn]

But if I could, early Wano easily.

[past flax]

i dont trust you

[prisma yacht]

😔

[warm fossil]

luffy being stuck is actively good because it lets everyone else aura farm

[past flax]

bot?

[cold steppe]

More like get destroyed and be saved

[warm fossil]

and sanji isn't present for the entire arc

so its peak fiction

[blissful verge]

guys im abt to start alabasta for the first time, when does crocodile show up??

[dark nymph]

WHAT

BOO THIS MAN

[ashen perch]

yeah

[warm fossil]

like 8 chapter in

[urban lodge]

I just think Oda overdoes that a lot in early one piece, it happens in every other arc

[graceful grove]

I wasnt its biggest fan because of the lil creep but that moria reveal have made it so much better

[warm fossil]

cannot overstate how much this matters

[past flax]

chapter 1 :)

[spice cairn]

Im sorry man

Its true.

[warm fossil]

like sanji straight up dissapears for 40 chapters and the story never gets better before or after it

early oda cooked

[ashen perch]

I understand its annoying in other arcs, but there's a clear and meaningful purpose here and its really good

[spice cairn]

Egghead being skippable is crazy when pre Udon Wano is right there

[grand flower]

Oda you my everything

[past flax]

you understand the vision

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/false-nuke-false-nuke-spongebob-squidward-gif-883256946134548308

[grand flower]

Everything I ever wanted

You write this manga real good

Better than they ever done it

[past flax]

oda is somewhere in the server

[hot cairn]

people here are hating on Wano man

[ashen perch]

I could do it better I think

[grand flower]

I hope he sees this

[hot cairn]

they don’t know ball

[past flax]

man...remember when wano was still going on in this server

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-duck-smoke-sanji-duck-sanji-one-piece-yuujistic-gif-15297231387971638634

[past flax]

that was hell every chapter

[hot cairn]

the server was never the same after

Onigashima was peak discussion time

[ashen perch]

Wano killed my wife and shot my dog

[dark nymph]

peak shit flinging time

[prisma yacht]

#1 arc btw

[ashen perch]

I mean it was not a good experience for me

[spice cairn]

Are you serious Arsal

[hot cairn]

they’re missing out

[urban lodge]

It sucked

[ashen perch]

I am

[warm fossil]

man egghead started off so good how did it end up so ass

what happened

[cold steppe]

It is number 1 arc
Onigashima still terrible

[past flax]

Hydra theory every week until it was real

[grand flower]

Powerscaling son be like dog>mom shipping daughter be like this author is a hack

[hot cairn]

Fr

[spice cairn]

I feel the complete opposite ngl

[warm fossil]

the outside world chapters in egghead had me thinking oda peaked

[ashen perch]

oh not serious about the wife and dog part, I dont have a wife, nor do I have a dog

[spice cairn]

The outside world chapters were great

[hot cairn]

cook

[grand flower]

Clearly not no more

[warm fossil]

and then they ended and it was the worst stretch of chapters ever seen

[spice cairn]

But like early Egghead not counting that was ass

[leaden rivet]

When was the last time you read it

[past flax]

i thought robin was your wife

[prisma yacht]

These shanks memes are so good

[past flax]

arsal

[hot cairn]

Egghead is peak

[ashen perch]

true...

[warm fossil]

was...

[hot cairn]

you’re tweakin

[glass plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQydPKOobqE&pp=ygUHVGVra2luZw%3D%3D

[past flax]

i screamed moria in wano every week until i was left broken and beaten only for oda to applaud me from the crowd years later

[spice cairn]

You cheat on your One Piece women?

[warm fossil]

nah its real hatred

[spice cairn]

[leaden rivet]

I promise syrup village is so much better on reread it doesn’t deserve the hate

[hot cairn]

yes that’s why you’re tweakin

[warm fossil]

(its not)

(its even worse)

[runic dock]

True

[graceful grove]

Maybe 5 years ago on my 4th run

[warm fossil]

but orange town is a greater sin

[hot cairn]

anime onlies call egghead the greatest OP arc

[warm fossil]

orange town is so ass man

[alpine trench]

Moria getting the SBS treatment is hilarious

[ashen perch]

I think Egghead's climax is hated for the wrong reasons (for being too slow) when it actually deserves hate for being too fast

[restive wedge]

Egghead is the greatest post timeskip arc besides Wano

[past flax]

saying this but skipping skypiea is definitely crazy work

[alpine trench]

It’s not

[warm fossil]

same treatement as zoro #NotBad

[hot cairn]

it’s peak tho

[leaden rivet]

Well no I’ve read Skypeia

[ashen perch]

it is very fast, its messy, its chaotic as hell

[leaden rivet]

I just skip it on rereads

[urban lodge]

Syrup village is ok, it's definitely overhated

[graceful grove]

He earned it

[past flax]

reread it

[leaden rivet]

I don’t want to inflict that suffering on my self

[alpine trench]

Yeah it’s meant to be chaotic

[still mason]

Lowkey, Syrup Village is what got me hooked

[urban lodge]

But I will say, it did almost make me drop when I first watched the anime

[ashen perch]

I would love Egghead's climax more if it was drawn out more

[past flax]

im going to beat you up harsh

[hot cairn]

the stretch Oda has had from Dressrosa to Elbaph needs to be studied

[alpine trench]

What more do you need drawn out

[hot cairn]

peak all around

[leaden rivet]

It’s really good

[past flax]

do it anyway

[warm fossil]

no way man

[urban lodge]

Why hate on Syrup Village when LRLL exists

[leaden rivet]

Not going to reread one piece for another few years did it rather recently

[warm fossil]

lrll is really funny idk

[still mason]

Really underrated!

[prisma yacht]

What's wrong with LRLL

[hot cairn]

drawn out what exactly

[graceful grove]

Ok now it all makes sense

[past flax]

im ngl cartoon network made me hate alabasta for YEARS cause of how much they overplayed that arc on tv when i was kid

[leaden rivet]

Alabasta is literally the best arc in the series 😂

[graceful grove]

Not a damn thing

[hot cairn]

Alabasta is peak

[wraith mantle]

Imu is a queen of hell

[alpine trench]

Bro expected Luffy to lose so hard the time the arc was running

[past flax]

i dont need to see it 50 times in one summer

kid me was hating bad

[leaden rivet]

Yes you do

[ashen perch]

Its chaotic in a bad sort of way lol. I don't think its a good thing for example, for Kizaru v Luffy to happen in the same second as Saturn is dropping into Egghead, where neither of those things get a more drawn out sequence where Oda could properly emphasize on it. Its all really just messy

[ashen perch]

not even true smh

[hot cairn]

LOL I almost forgot about that

[dark nymph]

Arsal hates Luffy

praying for his downfall

smh

[past flax]

i need oda to lock in and put moria back in the story asap or im flying to japan and taking away his right to goon after nami

[ashen perch]

I was fine with him beating Kizaru, I expected it, what I was not fine with is how Oda dealt with it

[hot cairn]

Moria will join cross guild soon trust

[warm fossil]

"beating" kizaru

[ashen perch]

it wasnt a defeat, it was a messy anticlimactic moment that happens at the same second as Saturn's arrival

[warm fossil]

one piece will only be good again once we see the cross guild do something

[past flax]

cross guild will be peak for sure

[cold steppe]

Well luffy is an emperor

[past flax]

they fighting akainu for the do nothing plot

[hasty sable]

Can’t wait for Cross Guild offscreen adventure that doesn’t meaningfully change the status quo

[latent hamlet]

Mihawk and croc: we want to do nothing

[alpine trench]

Kizaru vs Luffy happened in the context of Kizaru trying to get to Vegapunk and Saturn decided to drop in at a time he decided he had to deal with it himself, I don’t think that necessarily means it’s bad, with the context being that the arrival of these forces necessitated them escaping the island somehow with the skins alive, so I don’t think this criticism is as strong as you think it is and besides, again, they’re trying to escape amidst a cascading series of increasingly difficult to escape situations where chaos directly comes into play, it’s messy but it works because of the emotional grounding of Bonney and the flashback giving a space for the arc to breathe

[ashen perch]

The reader didnt get the satisfaction of Luffy actually beating Kizaru, when we were expecting him to at the start of the fight and the moment is so anticlimactic that it barely even registers as a big deal at all.

The fight itself is very underwhelming too

[latent hamlet]

Wait
Mihawk and croc and buggy

[hot cairn]

what do you think of Elbaph so far

[latent hamlet]

They always show up in movies

To do nothing

So it'll be the same in canon

[pulsar path]

Vaundy going to do the next opening huh after END

[grand flower]

I really enjoyed Kizaru’s character development in Egghead

Him playing for both teams was very fun to watch as his turmoil unfolded

Very humanizing arc for him

[pulsar path]

Okay okay hear me out .....he should join the straw hats

[warm fossil]

its a bit too similar to egghead in my opinion but harald was a great character, loki is alright and it seems the shs are actually getting some attention this arc so not looking all too bad

[latent hamlet]

Joins after killing VP

[dark nymph]

and attempting to kill Boney

[hot cairn]

similar in what way

[latent hamlet]

Might as well ask Lucci to join

Tell him to kill the wg

[alpine trench]

Again, context clues, they are trying to save the life of a person amongst a blockade by a huge government force, what did you expect from a fight where Luffy is on the back foot having to protect the one he promised he would protect? The fight served well as a mirror to the defeat at Sabaody and of the crew being able to deal with threats that are larger than what they faced before and being able to be capable of holding themselves and protecting those they held liable to protect with a greater ability to do so

[pulsar path]

Idk he hit the exact same spot as Saturn

[warm fossil]

unlike the usual arc structure of one piece we don't spend a lot of time exploring and meeting people in the new world, and the danger like egghead just falls ontop of the shs heads - and when the fighting is over the arc will likely be over too

[pulsar path]

I wonder if he got rid of the poison

[warm fossil]

and we're also likely to not get any real 1v1 fight for luffy again as there's no way he's actually beating imu

[past flax]

i remember someone said kizaru was gonna deflect and go join kuzan when egghead ended

[latent hamlet]

Cauterizing wounds does count as a 100 hp heal

If u ignore the 100000 damage laser that comes with it

[past flax]

no

[alpine trench]

We won’t get much of a traditional adventure going henceforth but we did get a lot of wondrous adventure moments in Elbaf

[dark nymph]

ok

[alpine trench]

The final saga is not for exploration, now it’s time to settle shit

[pulsar path]

If he knew enough about Vega punk tho maybe he was somewhat in on the plan

Maybe I'm over thinking

[warm fossil]

i mean yeah it makes sense its just unfortuante that this has to happen in elbaf

[pulsar path]

Or being a Charlie

[warm fossil]

like if this was pirate island or something where there's not much to see it'd be less of a problem

[alpine trench]

Egghead was similar in that the threats came in directly and not the other way around where the crew found out and dealt with it by going at it

[hot cairn]

took the words out of my mouth

[alpine trench]

Wano was the last such arc and it was an arc where 10 years worth of story was paid off

[latent hamlet]

Nah he knew it'd kill
Bro was persistent

[hot cairn]

I don’t view that as a negative tbh

[hot cairn]

it’s still good to face Imu now before they defeat him down the line

[dark nymph]

well there is the fabled post fighting exploration in Elbaf

[hot cairn]

Me too lol

[hot cairn]

exactly

[hot cairn]

they still had a short time of exploring the village

at the beginning

[prisma yacht]

We will soon be exploring the heaven realm

[hot cairn]

but yeah harsh is right

[prisma yacht]

So hold ur horses

[glass plume]

Am I wrong if I say that I want Elbaph to be no more when Imu is done here?

[alpine trench]

Yeah

[graceful belfry]

Pretty much

[hot cairn]

by no more you mean destroyed?

[glass plume]

Yes.

[hot cairn]

I don’t think that’ll happen

[glass plume]

I don't know why, I just want to see the tree topple.

[prisma yacht]

Same

[dark nymph]

that would be cool

[alpine trench]

Destroys the point of the struggle

Elbaf has to remain

[dark nymph]

not complete devastation tho

[alpine trench]

This is not like Egghead

[urban lodge]

Not really, Nika is known as a destroyer too

[past flax]

do ppl still believe loki is joining the shs are we past that in here

[alpine trench]

Where Vegapunk is the sole basis of the island

I don’t believe that Luci

[urban lodge]

Maybe he liberates them but the nation is practically destroyed

[restive wedge]

just remembered that daft vegapunk is still alive too

[past flax]

i dont either i find it funny ppl actually think hes joining

[cold steppe]

I do believe he'll be part of the fleet

[hot cairn]

we should be past that

[dark nymph]

They can always just rebuild

[cold steppe]

Under usopp

[ashen perch]

Yeah no I understand the context, I think all of it happening at the same time within the same chapter is what hurts the moment here (as well as the noncommital conclusion). Enies Lobby's end too was meant to be chaotic, so was WCI's, but Oda knew how to properly pace it all so that each moment got its own proper emphasis. This was missing entirely from Luffy v Kizaru and it felt like Oda was just running ahead to the end of Egghead at this point.

To answer the second message, A better mirror of the defeat at Sabaody would have been a satisfactory victory, Oda robs Luffy of it for no good reason. The fight does still separately play out to its conclusion amidst all the chaos so its not like it was interrupted per se, the messy vibe comes from Oda's choice to flip to a different scene almost every 2-3 pages because he wants to be doing 5 things per chapter and this is a common issue during this section of Egghead in general.

[alpine trench]

Again, destroys the point of the arc, Elbaf’s land is integral to their cultural basis

[pulsar path]

I mean he knew that wasn't vegapunks brain

[leaden rivet]

This is one piece 🙏

[past flax]

bro are you oda 👀

[dark nymph]

a country is its people

[leaden rivet]

The land is tied to the culture.

[graceful belfry]

I’m just a shill. I don’t think it’s happening at all but I do want it to

[glass plume]

At least let Imu kill the elders who thought of Ida as not deserving of being queen.

Those darn elders!

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt be surprised if Elbaf does get destroyed tbf, but not fully. Heaven Realm will be the new Elbaf

[frail kindle]

Happy Friday everyone, hope you have a wonderful day

[prisma yacht]

Happy Friday glex

[glass plume]

Happy friday you too, eat something good

[dark nymph]

yeah partial devastation is definitely plausible

[graceful belfry]

Have a good day!

[frail kindle]

Also arsal is wrong

[past flax]

happy friday

[past flax]

LOL

[hot cairn]

same Glex

[past flax]

trolling arsal will never die!

[hot cairn]

oh hold on you’re not a helper anymore?

[frail kindle]

Nope

But these new hacked accounts are making me want to come back

[leaden rivet]

Which slur did you say?

Oh it was voluntary

Nvm then

[glass plume]

Make a grand comback.

As an admin

[prisma yacht]

There are so many check my profile guys nowadays lol

[graceful belfry]

Dm me please type messages are becoming more prevalent

[past flax]

come back like shanks appeared in marineford

[glass plume]

they're hiding gold for sure for sure

[hot cairn]

come back, we need you fr

[ashen perch]

my mind just goes back to Legoland everytime I speculate about the arc

[hot cairn]

Arsal vs Harsh, who’s winning

place your bets

[glass plume]

in what?

[hot cairn]

if egghead is good or not it seems

[ashen perch]

I am not quite sure how exactly it will all matter, but it just will

[past flax]

yall think that was bad yall werent here for the chopper fade pfp take over and those werent even bots

[glass plume]

Harshal?

[alpine trench]

If you were reading the Enies Lobby ending, I’d say you would have the same fucking reaction you had for Egghead lol, there’s a ton of moments in EL where Oda just winged it and while I fucking love that arc, it’s as messy as a conclusion with chaos erupting due to government forces arriving to get to the Strawhats as it is on Egghead. To me, the arrival of the Elders and the message to the world is what truly anchored the chaos to a singular focal point, where they joined to stop the message, while Emet and the giant pirates comes in as a sort of Merry figure to tide them out of battle

When I’m saying the fight is a mirror, I’m not saying it has to be a complete mirror to the events of that arc, but aspects that are cyclical and intersect from before and parallel those events in interesting ways to showcase the growth of our protagonists, Luffy’s status as a fighter worth getting to the top tiers of the world in terms of power is inevitable and him coming face to face with Kizaru where he’s on a personal mission to kill his friend while Luffy is on a mission to protect him is an interesting dichotomy to which I feel is pretty satisfactory in how Luffy is able to hold back until the Kuma aspect of the arc kicks in.

[glass plume]

Or is it Arsh

[hot cairn]

yea

[graceful belfry]

Harsha

[glass plume]

FUSIOOON

[alpine trench]

Uh

That’s my name

[past flax]

are yall fusing them?

[glass plume]

That's a sick name.

[alpine trench]

Thank you

That’s my legit irl name lol

[ashen perch]

To be clear I dont dislike Egghead, I think its just the worst paced arc in the series and my issues stem from that Jesus

[graceful belfry]

No his name is Harshaval but I just call him Harsh, as his username implies, or Harsha

[ashen perch]

this isnt Egghead good or not, it is pretty good

[leaden rivet]

Wow

I can’t believe you have this many negative opinions about one piece

[wraith mantle]

How many more chapters of elbaf?

[ashen perch]

???

[alpine trench]

Illya is joking

[past flax]

we call him harsh cause his responses be cold and uncaring ( i love you harsh)

[leaden rivet]

Arsal’s going to type a very serious response of how I wasn’t here when they were a serious OP hater

[alpine trench]

I’m the most friendly person you could meet

[leaden rivet]

[wraith mantle]

I wonder if the name does influence the personality somehow

[graceful belfry]

Around the 40ish range, if I’m just spitballing

[past flax]

say 1 good thing about moria

[hot cairn]

oh

I see

[alpine trench]

Love you too Luci

[waxen furnace]

My name is Conor :)

[waxen furnace]

He died

[alpine trench]

He’s got a cool design and fruit

[past flax]

ban this guy

[prisma yacht]

His sbs backstory!!

[wraith mantle]

Damn that’s a lot
Are you expecting 40 chapters worth of fighting with Imu?

[waxen furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/zias-confused-look-what-huh-really-gif-15813122

[hot cairn]

Arsal did say once that the weekly grind got to him during Dressrosa

[graceful belfry]

Worst paced arc in the series is absolutely absurd but go crazy, king

[alpine trench]

30-40 is a decent estimate

[past flax]

ok....you pass

[hot cairn]

30 chapters

[waxen furnace]

@past flax I’m trolling I liked his fruit and how it worked a lot it was a fun concept that I wish had more done with it

[leaden rivet]

Title goes to punk hazard

[alpine trench]

Bro thinks he’s Gandalf

Niche references

[graceful belfry]

There’s a good choice

[waxen furnace]

Also enjoyed how they expanded on why he was the way he was in Wano

[graceful belfry]

Nah, but I think this conflict could believably play out for another two to three volumes

[past flax]

niche reference yet the most well know ref in the world smh

[hot cairn]

ngl might agree with this

[past flax]

ok...you get to live for now

but im keeping my eye on you...

[rose rune]

I've heard about the ring lords movie by critically acclaimed director peter jackson

[alpine trench]

That’s what I’m known for, niche references

[lofty fern]

The ring lords movie

[runic dock]

It’s a nietzche reference or something

[hot cairn]

ngl @alpine trench I think you have a point on the whole Enies Lobby thing, if it was happening these days people would hate on it more

pre time skip is not as perfect as people say

still peak tho

[leaden rivet]

People would be dunking on marineford especially if it came out now

[hot cairn]

100%

literally clash piece

[runic dock]

“Offscreened , offscreened , asspull, offscreen , asspull aasspull, filler”

Going thru the chapters

[leaden rivet]

New character on fraud watch every week

[rose rune]

so trueeee

[ashen perch]

I have actually read Enies Lobby's conclusion recently too and I think Oda still has a grasp over that chaos and manages to emphasize enough on each element of it, most of all on Lucci v Luffy (which ends completely perfectly). It doesnt at any point feel like its out of control, or overwhelming the reader with all that is going on at the same time in each chapter. This is just not what I got from Luffy v Kizaru, that half plays out offscreen and half ends up quite underwhelming.

Even as a showcase of Luffy's growth, it underdelivers imo, I would be more onboard with the idea of the stalemate if Oda has just depicted the fight and its conclusion better. Instead, it felt less significant than anything else going around it, and at no point did it feel like Oda was delivering on what would have made seeing him grow so much satisfactory. Again, this is more a pacing issue, and it was clear that Oda was just interested in moving closer to the end of the arc than Luffy and Kizaru's clash.

[wraith mantle]

One piece fighting has always been mid

[past flax]

moria would of been on such fraud alert i would of been dead

[leaden rivet]

Nah

Just Zoro fights

Luffy and Sanji have pretty good fights

[hot cairn]

Mihawk getting stalled by Vista would take his character to the ground for some people lmao

[ashen perch]

its really not

[runic dock]

Moriah was kind of getting shit on back then too tbh but not as much as he would be these days yeah

[wraith mantle]

I mean

That’s already memed lol

[ashen perch]

I feel like Egghead is the worst of Oda trying to rush through the series, Elbaf is where he gets how to do it, he understands how to cut back on things better here

[wraith mantle]

The Brook blocking Imu was funny slander lowkey

[past flax]

nah if that came out today it would of exploded

would be much worst than back then

[ashen perch]

you cant call it a block anymore if Brook was unable to move for chapters lol

[past flax]

ace would of been clowned to hell and back for dying

[wraith mantle]

He blocked one attack with a toy shield lol

[past flax]

shanks powerscale would of been through the roof

[wraith mantle]

The subsequent attacks did the work tho

[leaden rivet]

Does Zoro’s vs ocean sovereignty count as a block then

[hot cairn]

yeah but imagine how worse would it be if it happened today

[leaden rivet]

Yeee Akainu would’ve been getting cooked for losing to Whitebeard

[ashen perch]

we can assume that it probably sent him flying, since Imu was all alone in every single scene after

[past flax]

doffy vs croco powerscale for weeks

also somebody just tried dming me here lol no no no

[hot cairn]

Mihawk not wanting to fight with him wouldve had people saying hes running away lol

[ashen perch]

and Wano too

[hot cairn]

fr

[ashen perch]

Dressrosa was my first time, so it was just difficult to get used to it

I had a blast with Zou and WCI though

[leaden rivet]

I started in Dressrosa also

[pulsar path]

Okay I have someone else to add to the list

[ashen perch]

I would say I loved Wano Acts 1,2 and Act 3 till Onigashima too

[trim lily]

i started at the tail end of dressrosa but i couldnt keep up the weekly pace in wano and whole cake

[ashen perch]

Onigashima was just a shift, and I was not ready for that shift

[trim lily]

for some reason past me really did not like the katakuri vs luffy fight lmao

[ashen perch]

Something changed with Oda at the start of Onigashima

[prisma yacht]

Elbaf is my first time reading weekly

[wraith mantle]

Baby

[ashen perch]

literal baby

[prisma yacht]

I used to drop op once I was caught up

I like binge reading man

https://tenor.com/view/scuba-cat-scuba-cat-kitten-cute-gif-6808830743234487843

[wraith mantle]

Bro doesn’t know how bad broadcast piece was

[craggy vapor]

Why does Mihawk burn methanol?

[leaden rivet]

Whole cake weekly was sooo good

[prisma yacht]

Oh, no I was there

[pulsar path]

1. Shanks flys in on Griffin and save's the day
2. Black beard comes and show his dominance
3. Dragon kaze kaze and does something's
   4.The MOM theory( tricoma? Crocadile? New person? The burn scar WOman ?
4. The return of ......enru.....

[craggy vapor]

where is your “GODSOP SOON” username? Did you give up?

[leaden rivet]

Whole cake is easily a top 3 arc

[past flax]

god the amount of Buggy glazing Marineford would of had every week if it came out now LOL

[craggy vapor]

I love whole cake.

[leaden rivet]

If impel down happened now Blackbeard is never recovering from this

[graceful belfry]

I think disliking the mini-time skip is fine, but everything else felt standard, to me. It’s one of the longest arcs in the manga. So I guess I would understand your disdain more if it was like, “I wish that the arc was more balanced or proportionate.” In which case, you just wish it was longer and spent more time going over things?

[prisma yacht]

Me giving upon usopp wld be mean I'm dead

[pulsar path]

Personally I think enis Lobby/water seven than egghead and or dressrossa than I think for me whole cake ?

[prisma yacht]

Usopp conqs soon

[pulsar path]

Than probAly alabasta

Alabatar

[past flax]

nah he would of when he comes back in marineford they would of glazed him hard

[past flax]

you good my guy

[hot cairn]

well I don’t blame you, those are the two longest OP arcs lol. I had the opportunity of binging all of Dressrosa (peak) and binging acts 1 , 2 and the oden flashback so I never had a problem with those arcs. The only time I felt the weekly grind reading OP was during the GV section of the flashback

[pulsar path]

Leave my uncness alone

[hot cairn]

man Zou weekly must’ve been so much fun

[prisma yacht]

Binge reading wano was so peak

[past flax]

bro im 31 im an unc around here too

its ok

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

[prisma yacht]

Ilma is 67 yo

[hot cairn]

damn

[past flax]

jesus fucking christ

[leaden rivet]

Egghead is a mid tier arc for me. For me it’s probably

1. Alabasta
2. Whole cake
3. Wano
4. Sabaody
5. Jaya

[pulsar path]

I do love jaya

[hot cairn]

oh you’re a rookie rookie

[prisma yacht]

Hey

[pulsar path]

Jaya might be 4 and dressrossa 3 with whole cake five than

[waxen furnace]

Read weekly for Egghead

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/breaktimr-smoking-hot-gif-25651682

[hot cairn]

I reread WCI the other day and it was way better than I remembered

[waxen furnace]

Weekly reading is actually not for the weak bro

[pulsar path]

I like it way more than wano

[past flax]

i couldnt imagine being here during wci

[waxen furnace]

Arcs are 1000 times better when you have more than 1 chapter to read

[pulsar path]

I think whole cake is generally better but wano had a great final

[prisma yacht]

Yeah lol where are my next 10 chapters oda

[leaden rivet]

Dressrosa has the best op villain but it unfortunately also has Sabo

[prisma yacht]

You're slacking off again

[past flax]

being here for wano was bad enough

[leaden rivet]

So I can’t put it in the top 5

[waxen furnace]

I didn’t read elbaph for 2 months to rack up chapters

!20

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/1213871410733129768/20240302_160904.png?ex=65f70cd8&is=65e497d8&hm=3939b030b95d7ab778e84362c6eb120f9462bdf0fa2af22ca3933f54e2e14a26&

[prisma yacht]

So me

[pulsar path]

I don't mind weekly chapters I started one-piece monthly but the anime I had to stop for a bit in wano

[waxen furnace]

Did you just join the server?

[prisma yacht]

Yeah

[waxen furnace]

Welcome bro

[prisma yacht]

Arsal kicked me

😔

[waxen furnace]

Yeah I was gonna say

[minor vortex]

I want to rack up chapters but id get spoiled on social media so i just read

[pulsar path]

Lmao you got kicked???

[waxen furnace]

@ashen perch do it again

[past flax]

we kicking ppl?

[prisma yacht]

Yes || no I was trying to focus on studies||

[past flax]

just kick arsal back he like that feet stuff (im so sorry arsal)

[leaden rivet]

Haven’t heard an Arsal feet joke in a while

[dark nymph]

joke?!

[runic dock]

He still was 💀

[pulsar path]

Lol I remember a few people that did this

[hot cairn]

I caught up right in the chapter when Franky and Brook ran over BM. Right on time for the raid

[waxen furnace]

How was G5 on release

[pulsar path]

An to not be reading onepeice weekly would like be so weird

[prisma yacht]

Yeah like I can't go back now

[pulsar path]

Imagine if you were vol only reader

That's real shit right there

[prisma yacht]

Holy shit wld have been so hype for you

[waxen furnace]

Dudes would still be in egghead no?

[hot cairn]

with OP? Yeah absolutely

[pulsar path]

In USA it just got to Loki

[waxen furnace]

Yeah

[past flax]

geez

[pulsar path]

It's still "egghead" on the spine

[hot cairn]

idk about that personally but it’s close

[waxen furnace]

Ohhhh 💀

[past flax]

how do only vol ppl dont get spoiled

[hot cairn]

people say that users hated the way Luffy vs Kata ended

[prisma yacht]

PEAK

[past flax]

man....

[waxen furnace]

They live under a rock

[prisma yacht]

ABSOLUTE PEAK

[hot cairn]

absolutely

[past flax]

the sanji haters must of been frothing during wci

[hot cairn]

you don’t like Sabo?

[pulsar path]

It goes to Saul

[past flax]

GOD THE SANJI VS ZORO SHIT DURING WEEKLY WANO

[waxen furnace]

FACT: Sabo made up his amnesia so he didn’t have to face Akainu

[hot cairn]

me too

[pulsar path]

I'm not a big fan of act 1 and act 2 and I only really enjoy the end of act 3 😔

[waxen furnace]

Here comes the stars in the anime was genuinely the biggest slander 😭

[pulsar path]

I mean I like it but compared to other arcs

[waxen furnace]

I had a friend that only watched the first G5 episode and then said it was mid

[ashen perch]

The mini timeskip was egregious enough really, and I don't agree that the length of an arc matters in deciding the pace. An arc can still suffer from faster pacing despite its length, like Wano does at some points in Onigashima.

and yes, basically, I think the arc suffers from having a scale that transcends what Oda actually depicts on paper. Its a mammoth of an arc, paced like a smaller transition arc. Drawn out fights are non existent, character spotlight is lacking (outside of Bonney obviously), and every moment is spent in go go lets run away mode, and almost no moment at any point gets the chance to breathe including something as big as the Gorosei's arrival here or Luffy v Kizaru. Oda tries to do so many things in each chapter, and fails to focus on any of them properly most of the time.

[hot cairn]

insane lmao, there were people dropping essays on why the story sucks now. It was as hype as last chapter with the Imu reveal

[leaden rivet]

Very complicated opinion on him

[hot cairn]

a really controversial chapter

1044 was

[pulsar path]

He's a oc

[leaden rivet]

People didn’t realize the problem was never Gear 5. It was always Nika.

[pulsar path]

Sabo is the most oc oc

[ashen perch]

it was the best, it and WCI

peak weekly reading experience, still not surpassed

[hot cairn]

yep, it was. That was in august 2020. I didn’t join the server until early 2021.

[warm sierra]

is raizo there or not?

[past flax]

im ngl i hate the way oda luffyied sabos look when he got older and i love his design

[hot cairn]

did people predict the raizo thing?

[past flax]

its like oda had to make it clear about him

[ashen perch]

nah

[hot cairn]

also reverie must’ve been fun too weekly

[ashen perch]

reverie was really fun too yea

[waxen furnace]

Heavy agree I think it has too much happening at once so nobody remembers the smaller moments that needed more thought there was no time to really simmer with the fights that were important

[past flax]

i wonder how fishman island was in here lol

[hot cairn]

maybe they’re not online with the Op community

[ashen perch]

reverie + start of wano was also a really great time, the optimism in the fanbase was honestly unparalleled

I havent seen the fanbase be that excited ever honestly

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[fringe escarp]

yeah it was explicitly the fruit change that pissed ppl off

and the personality change when he goes into gear 5

[wraith mantle]

Did yall like punk hazard?

Rate it out of 10

[ashen perch]

yeahh definitely

[waxen furnace]

6

[urban lodge]

5/10

[hot cairn]

it has calmed down surprisingly (I think it’s because of Gaban)

[past flax]

the zoro fans were going insane and then got heavily disappointed as wano went on

[ashen perch]

yeah LOL

[barren token]

Like a 6 its my least favourite one piece arc

[urban lodge]

It's not really good as its own isolated thing but it does set up a lot of things for the future

[waxen furnace]

Foxy pirates exists

[leaden rivet]

If you cut punk hazard’s length in half it’d be a loved arc

[leaden rivet]

I still honestly think Nika is bullshit but I’ve accepted it now

[barren token]

Youre a fucking idiot who wont make it through winter we ALL love lrll

[ashen perch]

Punk Hazard is... good, not great, just like a 7/10

[hot cairn]

You don’t like the amnesia stuff or the character in general

[waxen furnace]

The issue I have with talking to one piece fans is that they hear of an arc that’s up coming make thoughts about what should happen during the arc and then when their story doesn’t happen they call the arc shitty

[fringe escarp]

its crazy because its still a major zoro arc, the issue was primarily plot points being set up and never resolved

[prisma yacht]

Dang 5 years in here

[waxen furnace]

You have piss drinker in your name your opinion is literally already invalid

[prisma yacht]

7-7.5

[leaden rivet]

I’ll write why I have some issues with him a little bit later

[prisma yacht]

Well it has doffy and kuzan

[waxen furnace]

@barren token WE ALL love foxy pirates in the manga the anime is atrocious for it

[prisma yacht]

8

[barren token]

Brother nobody gives a fuck abojt the anime

[fringe escarp]

i think the only genuinely part of the fruit change and gear 5 thats straight up a retcon that contradicts everything before is the fact that he was sercretly a zoan

[waxen furnace]

#anime

[barren token]

Youre literally the only person whos watched the anime probably

[waxen furnace]

[hot cairn]

there was no server during FMI I think

[fringe escarp]

the zoan change is so explicitly a retcon it wasn't even funny

[hot cairn]

the server was created in 2016

[waxen furnace]

I haven’t in months because my Crunchyroll is glitched

[hot cairn]

if I’m not wrong

[fringe escarp]

definitely not lol

[urban lodge]

DIscord itself didn't exist yet

[fringe escarp]

^

[prisma yacht]

I was born when lrll was going on

[past flax]

jesus do you remember orochi hydra theory every week

[prisma yacht]

its an amazing arc

[barren token]

Half tbe users here weren't born when fmi was ongoing

[waxen furnace]

I think my favorite villain in one piece is Perospero

[fringe escarp]

remember scribble piece

[leaden rivet]

I honestly just don’t like how ever since the reveal Nika get shoehorned into every fucking thing all the time. Like everything has to now be related to Nika now it’s such bullshit. Like 90% of the story no one gives a shit about Nika now it’s just constantly brought up

[hot cairn]

I don’t think I have seen this fandom being optimistic at all in all my time in the community LOL

[pulsar path]

Back when onepeice was GOOD

Damn tekking said space haki

[hot cairn]

it’s alright, I’ll give it a 7

[pulsar path]

Punk was okay

[hot cairn]

it’s a good set up arc

that’s all there is to it

[waxen furnace]

I made sure to stay away from the OP community till caught up

[leaden rivet]

And it’s as if the legend of Luffy doesn’t even really exist anymore because it’s just Nika saving the day now

[fringe escarp]

i dont mind it anymore because as of elbaf its being recontexualized as a much more complicated concept than how it was portrayed in wano

[hot cairn]

people just love Law a lot

(I’m not people)

[waxen furnace]

I’m no longer people

[prisma yacht]

It also has the nasty fart from franky

[past flax]

that one panel of robin smiling in wano gave Arsal like 50 years of good health

[hot cairn]

maybe if I was a Law fan I would enjoy it more

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-franky-anime-im-leaving-япошел-gif-26032745

[fringe escarp]

where wano pretty much just said "nika is good guy 🤓"

[waxen furnace]

This is why we watch anime

[prisma yacht]

Tru

[urban lodge]

I WILL think less of you as an author if you do toilet humor

[fringe escarp]

elbaf is showing the more rodent traits of nika's history

[hot cairn]

yeah agreed

[leaden rivet]

I mean in the end Nika will still be a good guy, Elbaf just gives different interpretations that will obviously not represent the actual Nika

[waxen furnace]

Wasn’t even humor it was just peak writing

[waxen furnace]

Elaborate

[leaden rivet]

Then after Nika Oda just started piling shit on like the Davey family my goodness

[fringe escarp]

i think OG nika was good, but def not every nika

[leaden rivet]

And he hasn’t stopped since

[past flax]

nobody show this guy Bobobo

[pulsar path]

Nvm peak

Punk hazard 10/10

[hot cairn]

maybe yeah, there’s many plot things that you can tell it was just Oda having fun

[leaden rivet]

Rocks, all the Davey bullshit we really could do without

[fringe escarp]

og nika is legit the only nika explicitly referred to as a liberator

[past flax]

oda was having so much fun in wano he forgot to write morias backstory

[hot cairn]

yep, I actually think it’s been 5 years today lol

[hot cairn]

okok, ping me when you do

[prisma yacht]

Oh congrats

[pulsar path]

I really disagree with this

[fringe escarp]

"zoro looks a LOT like ryuma and onimaru's owner...anyways KIKU BATHHOUSE SCENE"

[pulsar path]

I mean we need bb context

[dense pike]

@wraith mantle ?

[pulsar path]

If he was just " evil" sure

[leaden rivet]

If you can’t even agree with me remove the Ill from your name. You’re no longer one of us smh.

[pulsar path]

🤣🤣🤣

Idk I love xebec

But regardless of that

[hot cairn]

that was kinda annoying lol. But nothing as crazy as the oden return break week lmao

[pulsar path]

It makes me infinitely more interested in bb

[leaden rivet]

I do like Xebec

[hot cairn]

that break week was hell

[waxen furnace]

Necessary scene btw

[pulsar path]

I never been a big BB fan

[leaden rivet]

But I don’t think Blackbeard actually needed any more added context as a character

[fringe escarp]

huge disagree, davy adds a REALLY interesting layer to rocks and blackbeard's goals and the void century in general

[pulsar path]

I guess I get the legendary thing tho

[hot cairn]

that’s crazy

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard would have been a better character if he was just a greedy asshole

[pulsar path]

I guess but he moves too smarter

[past flax]

MAN I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

oden returning theory was so silly

[fringe escarp]

he is

[pulsar path]

It's just a lil too much like he has to have a real drive but I get ya too I feel like he could have went that way

[barren token]

Remember we had a kiku bath scene in the same chapter where she DIDNT visit her brothers grave with kin and the others

[leaden rivet]

I feel like Blackbeard didn’t need all the destiny ties to all these legendary figures and Imu. I think he worked better as a character without it all.

[fringe escarp]

he uses his "birthright" as a excuse to be pure scum

[ashen perch]

makes sense, it hasnt been mostly universally optimistic since then lol

[graceful belfry]

Don’t get me wrong, the actual length of an arc has very little to do with how it’s paced. That’s obviously more indicative of how efficiently an arc spends its time. I think Egghead being a long arc is indicative of how much there actually is to go over and, in this instance, I disagree that Oda introduces too much into the fold and ultimately ends up throwing things to the wayside. I don’t care much about the mini-time skip, though, mostly because I don’t think the execution is all that poor.

Idk. Maybe saying it’s absolutely absurd is exaggerating, but I personally believe Egghead is consistently great and to the point without being too quick for me to breathe. Agree that there’s some missed potential with our primary cast. They mostly feel like background characters, outside of the select few who always get a lot of shine.

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard's character from the moment he was introduced has explicitly correlated his existence and success to fate and destiny

[past flax]

@ashen perch

[pulsar path]

I think it just adds to the madness of it I don't think it's an excuse but it does make you think like okay yeah that's why he's driven

[fringe escarp]

like blackbeards entire character is GLAZING the fuck out of destiny

[leaden rivet]

that’s also the worst part about his character

[pulsar path]

I mean his ship was the sword of xebec

[fringe escarp]

💀

[leaden rivet]

Would’ve worked better as an inherited will

[pulsar path]

So the other thing is I think we need more context cus of the moon and sun stuff

[fringe escarp]

that's his character bro 😭

[hot cairn]

some people were actually thinking he was back lmao

[pulsar path]

Lol the only person that has inherited will tho you hate

[hot cairn]

it was such a stupid week

[pulsar path]

Its funny

[leaden rivet]

Who’re you referring to

[pulsar path]

Sabo D dragon

[past flax]

NAH REMEMBER PEOPLE THOUGH GEAR 5 TRANSFORMATION WAS HONEY OR SOME SHIT

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard glazing destiny is a perfect counter to luffy

[pulsar path]

MONEKY D. sabo

[leaden rivet]

I don’t hate Sabo I just don’t care about him

[past flax]

they had luffy colored Yellow

[fringe escarp]

blackbeard relies on fate and destiny and shit beyond his control

[hot cairn]

lol, I wonder if that’s Oda’s fault or if the fandom just got worse

[pulsar path]

But he's like the only character that doesn't have ties

[fringe escarp]

and as a result is far more cautious

[leaden rivet]

I really wish his character leaned less into destiny because it feels like a crutch

[fringe escarp]

luffy's character is meant to actively ignore destiny

[barren token]

No one is optimistic anymore life is hell

[pulsar path]

I feel that but I think that's just shounen tropes to keep boys interested

It's that or boobs

[leaden rivet]

I like the sneaky opportunist part where he uses his brain to make up for his lack of overwhelming force

[pulsar path]

Pick your poison🤣 just kidding just kidding

[graceful belfry]

That hasn’t really changed, no?

[leaden rivet]

Nope

[hot cairn]

resin yes

[leaden rivet]

I’m not saying it has Rei

[fringe escarp]

i think it elevates him specifically because its the exact opposite of how luffy percieves shit

[hot cairn]

Pringles and Burst were pushing that shit so hard lmao

[pulsar path]

Na just got some cool lore is how I see it but I get the destiny. Stuff too

[trim lily]

i think one piece going in a bit of a different direction/suddenly introducing a lot more stuff not really like the typical story after wano mightve lead to more people not liking the direction of things but still reading

[fringe escarp]

luffy rejects fate and destiny and believes in individualized futures

[trim lily]

but people might just be more cynical these days too lol

[fringe escarp]

and despite what i initially thought during wano, that hasnt changed

[leaden rivet]

Just in general not even just one piece, I really hate the idea of “fate” and “destiny” because it feels like it cheapens the journey

[glass plume]

"ZEHAHAHAHAHA, WE WOULDVE DIED IF IT WASNT FOR FATE WILLING US ON..!"

[trim lily]

oda is one of the few authors who'd rather embrace fate than have a story going against it

[glass plume]

"Fate made me shoot three birds today..."

"Unfortunate.."

[graceful belfry]

There’s a reality where Teach just never find the Yami Yami and ends up living and dying on Whitebeard’s boat. The mere fact that he stumbled upon it via one of his crewmates finding it is already a huge and early testament to destiny being a large key factor in his success

[fringe escarp]

i feel like the point of blackbeard relying on fate is meant to be a wrong point of view

[graceful belfry]

It’s not some new revelation. Oda is just fleshing it out

[past flax]

imagine all of this just lead to the chainsaw man or jjk type ending and we all collectively laugh like roger cause weve gone insane

[leaden rivet]

It’s wrong because Blackbeard is not HIM

[glass plume]

To be fair, it wasn't in his favor.
If it was then it wouldn't have the need to kill someone for him to obtain it.

He'd just stumble upon it rightfully, if it was fate.

[fringe escarp]

no its wrong because fate is straight up not solid

a major theme of whole cake is fate and destiny being BS

everyone's fate is determined by their actions

everyone has the power to change the future

[hot cairn]

yeah I feel like some people just want to see how things end honestly, but tbh if you’re not a fan of the direction the series is going I think you could drop it and just don’t hate read. Idk it just seems easier than reading just to complain

[hot cairn]

yea

[trim lily]

im kinda in the boat where i wanna see how the story ends after having followed it for 6 years

[ashen perch]

It is a long arc no doubt, but it still being too fast just indicates that it should've been even longer, thats how I see it.

Egghead in general I'd describe as missed potential, I think it really would be a top tier arc had it not suffered in the presentation and pacing department. Oda mostly hits all the right beats with it, but the arc struggles when what he's doing doesn't get the chance to be presented better. Its unfortunately a victim of Oda still figuring out his new, faster pace, where he's trying to get to the end as soon as it may be possible. I still think its pretty good though, just not as good as it could have been.

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think the story at all is trying to say that fate is wrong, it’s just that characters interpret fate to be for them to succeed, when it’s not their fate to win

[trim lily]

not a huge fan of the direction one piece has gone in but i still enjoy it enough to keep reading

[fringe escarp]

and it might not seem like it at first glance but luffy and his relationship with nika and the wano prophecy is also meant to go against fate

[ashen perch]

fandom got worse really

[graceful belfry]

In a very twisted sense, it is in his favor. It’s an irrationality that it would simply even end up around him when he had no real plan to find it, as far as we know, other than waiting and hoping

[glass plume]

Imu confirmed that fate is a thing this chapter, lol

"It's all preordained."

[trim lily]

well imu thinks it is

[past flax]

one piece ends but then we get the boruto type route later on

[fringe escarp]

imu is also meant to be delusional

[glass plume]

It pretty much is.

[trim lily]

it could be, it could not be

[fringe escarp]

he sees luffy and blackbeard as joyboy and davy jones

[glass plume]

Not when it comes to these things.

[trim lily]

depends on what direction oda decides to takes it in

[fringe escarp]

he explicitly is, he treats anyone that resembles ppl he knew as those exact ppl

thats what he considers to be fate

[glass plume]

Rightfully so, he has tried to erase their existance for 800+ years and they keep coming back.

[fringe escarp]

but they're not joyboy or davy jones

[glass plume]

Fate is calling for Imu's reign to end.

[fringe escarp]

thats the point of their characters

[glass plume]

Doesn't matter, they're the incarnations.

[hot cairn]

so you’re like, hate reading or something?

[trim lily]

the harley story makes me think people kept making the same mistakes leading to a basically cyclical fated conflict

[glass plume]

Luffy is the present day Joyboy just as Blackbeard is Davy Jones.

[hot cairn]

Isnt that kinda sad

[fringe escarp]

theyre not? do you seriously think rocks and blackbeard are BOTH davy jones

despite both existing at the same time and being vastly different characters

[trim lily]

well its not just you love the story or youre hate reading

[glass plume]

I mean, they're from the Davy clan that's all that Imu needs.

[trim lily]

theres parts of ongoing one piece i really like and parts i dislike

[fringe escarp]

because imu is delusional

[glass plume]

Let's agree to disagree, since this is going nowhere lol.

[fringe escarp]

like thats explicitly a delusion lmao

[glass plume]

Whatever.

[leaden rivet]

Rocks isnt that guy

[fringe escarp]

like just saying the two ppl who knew joyboy personally and also directly called luffy joyboy BOTH corrected themselves

and oda made it a point to follow up that correction with luffy restating his identity

in the case of wano kaido asks who luffy is TWICE in the same scene and the scene prior

[hot cairn]

same

[trim lily]

i feel like you could also interpret that as they thought he was so much like joyboy only to say "oh whoops youre luffy, my bad"

[glass plume]

The context around this is so funny.

[fringe escarp]

yeah thats precisely what i mean

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[ashen perch]

''youre not him...'' what did Oda see...

[fringe escarp]

joyboy is a person

[glass plume]

The fact that he says it right after Blackbeard ran out of bullets is what makes it even more hilarious

[trim lily]

kaido also says the one who will defeat him is joyboy so it kind of goes both ways

[leaden rivet]

Yeah

[fringe escarp]

and do you know what happens

[leaden rivet]

People think I hate the worry because there are things I dislike

[fringe escarp]

he loses

[leaden rivet]

But there are much more things I like about this story than I hate

[fringe escarp]

and he isnt happy or satisfied

[glass plume]

Luffy correcting them and saying that he isn't Joyboy doesn't matter at the end of the day.
He still carries on the legacy of Joyboy weither he likes it or not.

[leaden rivet]

Hopefully Oda can pivot away from that nicely

[glass plume]

I doubt it.

[fringe escarp]

that fundamentally goes against luffy's entire character and implies he lacks free will

[leaden rivet]

Because Luffy doesn’t really care about liberation or freeing people other than himself and people he deems his friends

Luffy is very selfish

And I think that can contradict what he’s meant to be

[trim lily]

luffy is a good person but hes not a revolutionary

[leaden rivet]

Good person….well

[glass plume]

It doesn't imply he lacks free will, lol
It just says that he carries on the will of Joyboy without realizing it himself.

[leaden rivet]

Uh

Impel down…

[trim lily]

yeah yeah we can bring up examples but overall luffy is a good natured person

[hot cairn]

oh

[trim lily]

if theres someone he sees in trouble he'll usually help them out

[fringe escarp]

and if thats whether or not he likes it then thats literally against his will

[leaden rivet]

Luffy does good things

But I think he’s more neutral than good