also-manga

[grand flower]

You’d think going to a ice cream parlor ran by a lactating fishman would be a no-brainer

[keen quiver]

Imu wouldn't be yapping about teach beinf Davy jones

If he had him in his basement

This entire time

[grand flower]

Mood

[digital spear]

I didnt say that

[grand flower]

Wym

[digital spear]

The mural is about the past

[ashen perch]

I think Davy doesnt have to be long dead at all

[lofty fern]

I think I watched Ne Zha 2 like 5 times, The animation is amazing. Think kid destined for evil but wants to be good and going against expectations, etc.

[ashen perch]

his whole deal is that he was cursed to roam the seas forever

[keen quiver]

They had a guy that looked exactly like loki back then too ?

[lofty fern]

Hmm, I think he has to be long something....he's become a tale tale at this point. More people know about joyboy than they do about DJ

[digital spear]

Yes they had an ancient giant, wait do you think the mural shows the future?

[ashen perch]

he doesnt look like Loki, he looks like an ancient giant

[keen quiver]

He looks like loki

What are we even saying

[ashen perch]

Loki wields a long spear?

[lofty fern]

Not hard, considering Loki's horns are inherited, so there will bound to be others that have similar looks

[ashen perch]

wears anything similar to what the ancient giant wears?

[digital spear]

Joy Boy looks like Luffy, Lily looks like Vivi

[keen quiver]

Down to the hair

And pattern on his clothes

[digital spear]

So yeah they can have a guy that looks like Loki lol

[keen quiver]

It either looks like loki

Or the past version of him fought without ragnir

[ashen perch]

ignoring the comically large spear.......

[lofty fern]

Long hair and the clothes are something many giants wear

[keen quiver]

Because he's running at that thing without him

[ashen perch]

a lot of giants have long hair, his clothes dont look any similar

[keen quiver]

I guess old version of loki had the fruit

But couldnt get ragnir

For whatever reason

[ashen perch]

probably didnt even have the fruit

[keen quiver]

Then why does imu care

[lofty fern]

Or it's just another giant? I mean not everything has to be the same?

[keen quiver]

He never saw it in action

Why even complain about the nidhogg fruit

[ashen perch]

well, theres two options

he did see it in action, he was around in the first world

[keen quiver]

😭

[ashen perch]

or he just knew the history

[keen quiver]

First world theory

[lofty fern]

Who said he had to have seen it in that particular scene in the mural?

[ashen perch]

first world theory is actually quite strong, people get silly about it for some reason but I dont get it.

[keen quiver]

I take the entire mural as oda's biggest lore drop text wise

[digital spear]

So youre saying this isnt the Void Century but the future?

[keen quiver]

But the drawings on it are iffy currently

[ashen perch]

I think Imu is either from the first world or possessed by the entity from the first world, either way: he would have the knowledge of the first world

its not so complicated really

[lofty fern]

I don't know about the first world, since I don't think fruits were around in the 1st world, but I do think the real nidhogg could have been

[keen quiver]

Its just the basic concept thet represent

Clearly shirahoshi isnt gonna run into battle with a giant trident and crown

Unless oda is gonna do some huge character work for her

[digital spear]

I feel like we would see the strawhats if it was the future or are they symbolized as Nikas shield and sword

[lofty fern]

I think they have stated it's at least of events that actually happened. It's not a hypothetical. Children drawing what they saw and/or heard

[digital spear]

Also why does "Loki" not have Ragnir just a stick

[keen quiver]

The only thing that ever geys brought up is nika

Not any strawhat

In any leg of this journey

Its always the sun god not whoever was with him

When it comes to crew its joyboy

[digital spear]

Thats why the future will be different imo. It shouldnt just be a carbon copy of the void century

[keen quiver]

I mean yeah imu is gonna lose

[digital spear]

Nika and Joyboy didnt have the strawhats but Luffy does

[keen quiver]

I think that makes it radically different

[cosmic hamlet]

Joyboy had iron giant and zunesha

[ashen perch]

its very clearly not the future, none of the characters resemble the current cast in any way beyond characteristics like '''samurai/mink/ancient giant/mermaid princess/nika/alabs'' and then theres obviously EMETH in there too

[lofty fern]

I'd say the crew is just as important or why bother drawing them? Why not just make the image only Nika and the enemy? Because the others matter.

[ornate tartan]

I agree

[keen quiver]

I mean they all lost regardless

[digital spear]

Yeah Luffy will have both

[keen quiver]

I guess its to be consistent with the story if thats the void century

[ornate tartan]

just the imagination of giant children

[ashen perch]

we know what actually is the future, its the 3rd world part of the harley

[keen quiver]

Yeah I dont put much stock in the drawings themselves

Always been a text > drawning

Person

[lofty fern]

All the more reason they're important? Losing doesn't mean the event and all the players suddenly lose value 🤨

[ashen perch]

present as well as the future

[cosmic hamlet]

Chopper is zunesha replacement

[keen quiver]

I mean i literally said its for the consistency of the story

To show all the players

Even the people who lost

At no point did I devalue them

[digital spear]

Well Zunesha is right here unless it gets killed

[ashen perch]

I do think the Mural was drawn by Joyboy

his drawing skills were just... on the level of Luffy

[keen quiver]

I think you thinking me calling them losers is a slight against them

[gritty tangle]

“We have Zunesha at home”

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't think zunesha will fight along with luffy though

[keen quiver]

They lost and thats a fact

Not a mark agaisnt them

[ashen perch]

so it seems like a child's scribbles because he's really bad at drawing stuff lol

[digital spear]

Its basically Momos weapon

[keen quiver]

That's consistent atleast

[lofty fern]

I think it could just be kids, oda would do something like that. Joyboy doesn't have to exactly like Luffy anymore than Roger was

[keen quiver]

All these people in the will of joyboy's line can't draw at all

[cosmic hamlet]

Momo will learn sword and doesn't need zunesha, trust

[ashen perch]

true true, but they do seem more comprehensive than what a kid would understand about the world

[digital spear]

Momo will use Zunesha as a sword, Spandam foreshadowed this.

[cosmic hamlet]

Did zunesha ate a devil fruit 🤨

[rose rune]

He'll just stand there and comment on everyone's fighting moves. "You might not have noticed, but Luffy hit him in the face 6 times during that exchange"

[cosmic hamlet]

[rose rune]

"It was too fast for the human eye, but I am an elephant"

[lofty fern]

It was the way you answered the statement. I said they are all important, and then you said they lost regardless which suggests that that fact somehow cancels out my statement. I was responding that they are still important despite losing

[keen quiver]

Yeah they lost

I was stating a fact

[cosmic hamlet]

What if final war happens on top of zunesha?

[grand flower]

It’s the past present and future

[gritty tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[digital spear]

Luffy actually did this against Blueno

[keen quiver]

It wasnt meant to be anything more

[grand flower]

The entire point is the OP world keeps following a cyclical history

That’s why Imu is talking about still being tormented

The Harley mural isn’t a picture perfect snapshot

[lofty fern]

It was responding in the way that you did that made me think that you thought that because they lost, they were not important

[rose rune]

[gritty tangle]

One dodge by an enemy at a bad time is gonna cause Luffy to break Zou’s old ass hip with a punch

[grand flower]

It’s just visual metaphor for what keeps happening in history

Trying to find 1:1 actors matching the mural isn’t accurate

For example, Emet being present doesnr necessarily mean Emet has to be there in the third world

[keen quiver]

Yeah no when it comes to history I just see it as neutral as possible. And like I said I was saying they lost regardless of how they were drawn and even if they were included. It was just for us to know who was there if that is the void century.

[rose rune]

I want to make a zunesha fight commentator strip when I get home from work now

[grand flower]

The picture of Emet is just symbolic of whatever technology will be employed against Imu

It could be Franky in this era

[lofty fern]

I think it's more so a prophecy and a lyrical record of events. It's a telling of what did happen and what will happen.

[grand flower]

The mural is applicable to every era because it’s symbolic

[keen quiver]

Riding zunesha a tough sell

[grand flower]

That’s exactly what I just said

[cosmic hamlet]

Mural is drawn by AI with ancient technology

[keen quiver]

Gonna go bankrupt from feeding him

[lofty fern]

I was saying I don't think it's symbolic, but if that's what you're saying go on

[grand flower]

Whoever drew the mural drew Emet because that was who was around when they drew it

[rose rune]

Riding? No, he's just on the sideline telling carrot why this and that character got hurt

[grand flower]

In the modern day, it’ll be something analogous to Emet

Like a mecha Sunny

[keen quiver]

Time to show up for a hype moment and dip

[cosmic hamlet]

Carrot mentioned

[grand flower]

They are

[keen quiver]

World's biggest hype beast

[grand flower]

Theyre also literal

There WAS an Emet at that time

Emet is gone, so now it’s a stand in

[lofty fern]

I think there was just a disconnect between what I said, and what I understood you to respond

[grand flower]

Something will play the same role Emet did

[keen quiver]

Yeah this would be it tbh, my main focus in the story is the void century part of the wall. The first world might come up later. But it's currently being used as an era of myth in the story.

[cosmic hamlet]

When will vivi start controlling mother flame

[rose rune]

"Huh? Why did zoro start bleeding?"
"You see carrot, that man over there looked like he was aiming for zoro's leg with his sword, but in the blink of an eye he revealed a tiny hidden blade in his sleeves that he cut him 7 times in the solar plexus with"

[grand flower]

I hate when that happens

[digital spear]

This whole discussion started because krome asked where Davy Jones on the mural is and I said hes the monster on the left possessed by Imu and then Lisa asked me why I thought Imu was still keeping Davys body around all these years because she thought we think the mural shows the future

If it was in the present it would be whoever was still around that Imu could use

[rose rune]

Sneaky steves and their concealed blades

[grand flower]

That question doesnr make sense

[lofty fern]

What I'm saying is I don't think the pictures are images put in place of metaphysical constructs. I think they were real people and figures. In the future, I don't think the fight has to look the same way, or the figures be the same or even the same number. There could be Emeth here, but Luffy could have a whole new cast of characters, nothing has to be one for one (all the "franky is Luffy's Emeth" people annoy me)
If that is also what you're saying, I agree there.

[grand flower]

If Imu is possessing jones that means Jones is incapatitee

[grand flower]

That’s what I said

Literal depictions of the past become symbolic depictions of the future when historical events keeps echoing through time

The literal depiction of Emet from the past is a symbolic depiction of “in the future, technology will be involved”

[keen quiver]

Zunesha needs to work for toei at this rate

[grand flower]

We can just make our best guesses now what itll look like

[lofty fern]

I guess I just don't really care to call them symbols, but I get it

[vital heart]

my friends and i are going to karaoke tomorrow

any suggestions?

[grand flower]

Tequila

[lofty fern]

We don't even know where you live, how could we suggest karaoke places meek?

[grand flower]

I think the fool meant songs

[digital spear]

I think he meant songs

[lofty fern]

Don't they do all songs? I don't do karaoke

[grand flower]

I’m sorry for this

What I’m about to do

[digital spear]

Gulp

[grand flower]

I promise it’ll be okay

[vale heath]

it's similar to "what song should i listen to right now"
the implication is that they can pick any song
what song should they pick

[digital spear]

You get like an hour or two in the karaoke room and you can decide which songs you can sing and hes probably asking which ones he should sing

[lofty fern]

ahh

[grand flower]

Sing living la vida loca @vital heart

[lofty fern]

got it, I'm more sporadic than that. I wouldn't decide until I got there

[digital spear]

Same

[grand flower]

What song would you sing

[lofty fern]

Probably a bunch of romance ballads and disney songs

[rose rune]

Moonlight shadow

[tidal ice]

The last we ever saw him

[rose rune]

It just happened to get stuck in my brain as he asked the question.

[grand flower]

#also-manga rendition of make a man out of you when

I get to be mulan

Haha suckers

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/trungroi2/status/2042549059966152802?s=46

有害無罪 (@trungroi2)

Lily x Imu
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[grand flower]

Too slow

[rose rune]

I want to hear your opinion on what the worst thing you can tattoo on your body is. (Besides stuff that breaks rules).

I really can't think of anything worse than baby faces

[cosmic hamlet]

Our own face

[rose rune]

No, that could be funny

[cosmic hamlet]

Tattoo your face on your forehead

[rose rune]

Still not worse than a tattoo of your baby

[grand flower]

Oh man so many of those look weird

I feel like anything gross

[cosmic hamlet]

People tattoo the heartbeart of their baby or something like that

[grand flower]

Like I’ve seen people tattoo things pooing on themselves

I’ll never understand that

[warm fossil]

tattooing your entire face red would be pretty atrocious

[grand flower]

That’s probably racist to some culture out there

Adood help me I can’t find my funnel

[warm fossil]

I'm afraid I'm ultra sick I can't help

[tidal ice]

[rose rune]

Maybe not completely red, but maybe just sunburnt color

[fringe ice]

It's inspiration... Doesn't have to be 1:1 the same character from the myth

That being said I'd wager the "Earth God's serpent of hellfire" is Imu's red line or something similar which would be like Ne Zha and Ao Bing (making the dragon his pet instead of killing in this version I guess)

[warm sierra]

ah hell naw they caught WIT studio using gen AI (other anime though not The One Piece)

[latent hamlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/MVjS91Qecj

Found this on reddit bout oda's involvement in LA
Apparently the dood practically signs off on everything

[glacial bear]

Netflix staff: “we don’t have the money”

Oda: “Find the money” LMAO

[latent hamlet]

"And why are you asking for way more money?"
"Oda wanted it"
"....if he says so"

[lofty fern]

It's funny seeing people be more open to it, now that he's handsome 🤣

[warm fossil]

(it's still ass)

[grand flower]

Joy Boy must be a real cutie patootie

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-smile-proud-dumb-gif-3051952388518433368

[dense rapids]

Oda’s message to the fans discussing BB final villain

[grand flower]

im saying bro

blackbeard is an advantage when he's overlooked

[dense rapids]

Funny how there’s a panel for every bb argument

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-kuma-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17367158845092369444

[urban lodge]

The real ship is Imu x Joyboy

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-true-speed-true-speed-reaction-speed-morgan-freeman-gif-1262717800407517322

[urban lodge]

Doomed yaoi

[glacial bear]

We don’t have to say anything more. Just let it happen cuz it’s inevitable & blatantly obvious at this point 💀

[grand flower]

exactamundo

[dense rapids]

I’ve determined that Law is on Lodestar Island

Bepo returned to where the North Pole was originally located

Animal instincts for a polar bear

[red lagoon]

Bb the final villain idk how ppl don’t see it

[dense rapids]

Also burn scar could appear within the next 2 chapters seeing as he was last mentioned in 1081

[ornate tartan]

who told u that?

[red lagoon]

U retired being oda

[ornate tartan]

we got some folks for Imu too

my final villians Akainu and Garling

[dense rapids]

Luffy’s final enemy will be buggy

But the final villain of the series is Blackbeard

He will save the world from Blackbeard and buy the world from Buggy

[red lagoon]

Man U better stop wit that garling shit 😭

[dense rapids]

Just like Luffy gave buggy the armband

He will give him the world’s treasure

[red lagoon]

Yo wtf😭😭

Tell his ass get off TikTok and go handle the revs

[ornate tartan]

boutta change ts back

but where’s sanji acoc brother?

[dense rapids]

Shanks isn’t even this scared of Imu

[red lagoon]

Ok listen

Imu pulled up Hk’s finna get a boost of power and get back together

Sanji finna fight again

And this time you’ll see

The acoc

[latent hamlet]

Well that attitude went away for a long while

[ornate tartan]

acoc + ifrit

deadly

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-sanji-bingo-sanji-bingo-gif-2929621835686398049

[ornate tartan]

bingo scene not even top 5 sanji

he got better moments

[silent talon]

Number two: when he becomes a transvestite

[grand flower]

jumpscare

[manic atlas]

true, blackbeard really him

[runic dock]

The strongest haki user in the series using future sight and still getting this shook

[blazing mantle]

It was moreso cross dressing

[silent talon]

That’s what a transvestite is, a cross dresser.

[blazing mantle]

My bad

You learn something new every day

[silent talon]

Ty shi fam

[leaden rivet]

It’s an archaic word that is now offensive

[primal vessel]

Does someone has this one in full picture?

[fast pagoda]

Shanks is only vaguely aware of Imu, and isnt able to be aware of his next moves very much

Ngl, I really want to see more of the Gorosei occupations and how they affect the world

Its weird because it doesnt seem like most wg member nations are suffering from poverty or famine

But i also refuse to believe the gorosei make many decisions in good faith to the lower world

[stone terrace]

Not a single decision is gonna be out of good faith

[fast pagoda]

Yeah

But again, most wg countries dont seem super impoverished

Though I dont think the wg has ever been shown giving much aid to poor countries, or ones in crisis like alabasta

[iron oriole]

Sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never effect me, or something

[stone terrace]

We saw they sent lucci once

I wouldnt call that a good outcome though

[fast pagoda]

We need a spinoff focused entirely on the agricultural world of OP from Ju Peter's perspective

[stone terrace]

Hows that agriculture going

He cant even grow a tomato on the red line

[fast pagoda]

I think probably the countries that are able to pay the most tribute get the most privelege, and the countries that can pay the least or not pay at all get ignored or punished

[stone terrace]

That would be logical

[glass plume]

https://x.com/trungroi2/status/2042549059966152802/photo/1

有害無罪 (@trungroi2)

Lily x Imu
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X · Apr 10, 2026, 10:23 AM

[leaden rivet]

@pulsar timber

[iron oriole]

Lili: "Come closer Mu, i have something to tell you"
Also Lili: "i like Joyboy more"

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-imu-sama

No one can resist the blood red rubies that Imu has.

By the way Imu will demonify Kilingham and Sommers

[dense pike]

makes sense

[iron oriole]

Idt he needs to, i feel just being in such close proximity to Imu they'll get a boost

[glass plume]

Yeah, but I think that boost will be the demonification, similair to the tree and houses I think that Sommers and Kilingham will start to look more domi reversed when Imu is near their proximity.

Like, Sommers growing some horsn and getting sharp teeth.

Kilingham growing wings and shit.

[royal orchid]

Sommers and Killingham feeling an awfully familiar haki exploding a building in the background

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[iron oriole]

Idk about demonify simply because that opens the question of them demonifying while at Marijoa

[glass plume]

?

As far as we know Imu hasn't showed this state while on Marijoa.

I think it could be just when Imu themselves turn into this devil form.

[iron oriole]

I think the boost just comes from being near Imu, regardless of Imu being in the current form

[glass plume]

Certainly a boost, but I mean the demonification could be exclusive to when Imu turns into the devil themselves.

[dense pike]

well now youre trying to refute his headcanon with your headcanon

that aint gonna work

[glass plume]

Just release the chapter Oda

[fallen meteor]

From the pt translation discord

[glass plume]

Looks nice, though I would've turned down the saturation a bit.

[iron oriole]

Thats where you're wrong, my headcanon is canon

Anyone elses headcanon is headcanon

[dense pike]

the canon in question:

-# its shots have projectile dysfunction

[iron oriole]

Projectile dysfunction

[ashen perch]

I disagree

[glass plume]

I wonder if there is a physical underworld in One Piece, and if you can access it.

Sort of like Hercules going to the realm of Hades.

[ashen perch]

I think the mural is quite clearly just the first two worlds, without any reason to believe otherwise lol. Any similarities are surface level, and really only exist because the past and the future will be quite similar

[grand flower]

The mural’s split into three

[ashen perch]

yes it does exist, Brook has access to it

[iron oriole]

I agree with Arsal, definitely the 1st & 2nd world imo

[glass plume]

Maybe they'll have to access that in order to defeat Imu, similair to them having to defeat Tot Musica in two different realities.

[grand flower]

It’s a snapshot that captures the essence of all three worlds

Monsters, slavery, and war

[ashen perch]

its split into two, and it is 800-900 years old so ofc naturally, cant be about the present

[grand flower]

It has a prophecy of the future lol

[ashen perch]

the harley does

the mural does not

[grand flower]

It’s the same thing

[ashen perch]

no it isnt

[grand flower]

The mural is a snapshot of the Harley

What we see in the mural is the essence of the Harley describing all three worlds

That’s why Robin reading the Harley transitions into narration overlaying the mural

[glass plume]

I think this describes Joyboy's effort against Imu.

[grand flower]

And why the imagery of the mural itself overlaps despite depicting multiple eras

The first, second, and third world are all being evoked by that image

It’s constructed so that any of the three is represented there

[ashen perch]

I agree that it can essentially be viewed as all 3 worlds at once, but again, thats really just due to the cyclical nature of the world.

What it actually is clearly a snapshot of is the first world on the right and second world on the left

[iron oriole]

Personally think the mural only shows the events of the 1st & 2nd world, while the Harley has a prophecy of the future/current present but thats not shown on the mural

[grand flower]

The idea that they couldnt be depicting the future gods out the window because the mural corresponds to text that ends in a prophecy

[grand flower]

This isn’t likely because the images of the Harley overlap despite being separate time periods

[glass plume]

The third world will have parallels to the older worlds either way

[grand flower]

Robins narration blending into narration overlaying the image means we are to associate that text with that image

It’s an image applicable to each world becausw OP history is cyclical

It keeps repeating and echoing itself

The people who drew it may not have intended for it to be foretelling

[ashen perch]

The long spear carrying Ancient Giant is not meant to be Loki, it is literally meant to be an ancient giant from the 2nd world but at the same time: it would be fair to say that it does give us an idea that he will be there.

Same with the Samurai there, Minks, Alabs, etc

[dense pike]

I think its either just the second world or just the first world
It was supposedly drawn by children at the time - before Haralds educational reform, so I have reason to doubt their drawings were of both what was happening then, AND stuff that happened way before their time (if it was drawn in the second world). The kids werent paying that close attention to their non-existant history class

[grand flower]

But WE know it is because we already know that OP history is echoing itself

The return of Joy Boy, Poseidon, and a major Nefertari in Vivi is an example of this

[trim lily]

i don’t know if you can call the whole mural cyclical given that the right side doesnt line up with anything in the current day as of right now

[grand flower]

The mural image is applicable

[ashen perch]

like I said, it is not literally depicting or prophecising the 3rd world, it gives us an idea of how the 3rd world will be

[grand flower]

We have tons of slavery rn

[rose rune]

nah, I let mine go yesterday actually

[grand flower]

That’s what I’ve been saying

The mural depicts all three worlds to us as readers

[iron oriole]

Wtf you cant just release them into the wild like that

[rose rune]

I misspelled that, I let them go to the mine

[grand flower]

You couldn’t use the mural to see Loki will go into the war with a spear, for example

[iron oriole]

Ahhh

Work experience

So kind Thigh

[torn osprey]

Gave me a flashback to this masterpiece lol

[ashen perch]

and I think not every element of the mural is meant to be recreated Dolf, I think the imagery on the right is more likely to be limited to just the first world

[grand flower]

But it’s 100% that history is echoing itself and Loki is an ancient giant now just like there was one before

[rose rune]

will look better on the CV

[ashen perch]

its specific enough that its difficult to apply it to the 3rd world imo, unlike the left

[grand flower]

That’s just the slavery going on now

[ashen perch]

eh theres a lot more going on there

[trim lily]

i feel like that’s heavily watering it down

[grand flower]

No? lol

[trim lily]

one aspect of it could be slavery yes but there is quite a lot more there

[grand flower]

The circumstances are just different

But it’s still evocative of the same thing

There is a rampant slavery problem the world is relying on

The CDs, in this case

[trim lily]

not really, that side seems to imply a production line and industry

[ashen perch]

its not just depicting slavery, its depicting the mankind's greed and its search for the forbidden sun that it was never supposed to touch

[grand flower]

And the text strongly implies it wasn’t dentured servitude

[dense pike]

TLDR: to me its either:

• first world kids drawing what was current at the time, or
• second world kids drawing what was current at the time
  I think the Harley text is overlayed the way it is simply to make us overthink which world(s) is/are being depicted, when in reality its just one of em

[glass plume]

https://x.com/bo2lover21/status/2042502542819786817/photo/1

d (@bo2lover21)

Imu

#ONEPIECE #ONEPIECE1179

X · Apr 10, 2026, 7:18 AM

[grand flower]

Just like the CDs, the current world leaders, are running on slavery

Marijoa is literally powered by slavery

Did y’all forget that lol

[trim lily]

but in a vastly different way

[grand flower]

They use people to crank machines

[ashen perch]

its a lot more specific to the actual story of the first world, not abstract enough to be just defined as slavery

[grand flower]

For transportation

The city literally OPERATES via slavery

It’s powered by slave labor

Slavery isn’t just present

Marijoa runs on it, literally

That’s why imagery of a production line for a factory is applicable to Marijoa

The mural is a literal representation of either the second or third world

[grand flower]

Its metaphorically applicable to the third world

Dismissing the visuals of the mural in regard to the third world isn’t valid

Any more than thinking it’s 1:1

Those are both just wrong

[ashen perch]

yeah ofc, but its depicting a specific part of what they were being forced to do, its not just talking about the slaves they have been using for entertainment or to power their travelators. The mining is a key part there

[iron oriole]

Sharon, you think the mural in its entirety depicts each world? & not split like left half = 2nd etc?

[grand flower]

It’s just like I said to heart queen earlier

[lofty fern]

Luffy could be a real looker if you grew out his hair and made him more muscular....oh wait....that's Ace 😆

[grand flower]

Literal depictions of the past become symbolic depictions of the future when history is cyclical

That’s kinda how religion gets by

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/monkey-d-garp-kuzan

[distant vine]

Its really funny to me that Luffy has been subjected to eating school food

[lofty fern]

I will say it's cyclical, though I don't think the same events happened again and again. I think first world events might have been the most unlike the others in all but the most general thematic ways

[ruby moat]

Dudes munching on the Sysco pan pizza

[grand flower]

I think it’s a snapshot of a particular time and it remains evergreen because the OP world keeps going thru the same apocalyptic final war

[lofty fern]

Garp is not handsome...sorry

[glass plume]

EXCUSE ME.

[ashen perch]

Still, I struggle to nail down a present day (or future) equivalent of the Ark Maxim, or the battle of Nidhoggr and the Hellflames Serpent, so its definitely not meant to lineup like that

[latent hamlet]

Frozen bread

[iron oriole]

Oh so like it shows the 1st world for example but history is constantly repeating itself so it also shows any other time period too

[ashen perch]

theres going to be a lot of similarities, thats all

[grand flower]

The present day Maxim is the Maxim

[lofty fern]

😆 I haven't had that in years. The little metal tins with cheese pizza in a square wrapped in plastic

[ashen perch]

Enel's thing isnt very efficient

[grand flower]

You can draw meaning from it for any period, yeah. The literal depiction of factory slave labor happening then is an apt metaphor for Marijoa running on slave labor now

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[ashen perch]

isnt it missing its real power source? I gotta reread... but I swear Enel mentions that

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-key-and-peele-substitute-teacher-did-i-stutter-school-gif-5417164

[grand flower]

Enel said he was the power source

[glass plume]

How isn't Garp handsome

[grand flower]

But he had backup generators in place

[ashen perch]

yeah but he made himself that, its not supposed to be that way

[grand flower]

He designed the Maxim

He wanted it that way

[dense pike]

while om not on either side, you could make the case that the ark maxim in the mural is meant to be Uranus, and the lightning is the lasers it uses to eradicate islands. that way itd have relevance both in the past and present

[lofty fern]

Dude looks like a neanderthal

[glass plume]

Damn...

[grand flower]

Could also be the Noah

[lofty fern]

It's the forehead

[dense pike]

or maybe the noah is the noah

cus the noah is in the mural

[ashen perch]

yeah we can see Noah separately

[dense pike]

but thats just me tho, Im just a lemon 🍋

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-one-piece-1122-3

[ashen perch]

I also think Uranus is what the Devil is holding in his hands personally

[grand flower]

Lemme see

[glass plume]

Wish he had this outfit more often.

[iron oriole]

Ahh i see where you're coming from now

[dense pike]

!mural

[glass plume]

White and red look so nice.

[ashen perch]

theres the real noah

is that meant to be an elephant or a wave, I still dont get it

tbh

[dense pike]

ig it kinda worked

[glass plume]

Both probably.

[iron oriole]

I saw that as the OG Mother Flame tbh

[grand flower]

Animal pairs

[ashen perch]

I think its symbolic of both, its Uranus powered up the mother flames

[grand flower]

Thats why that’s the Noah I’m guessing

Noah took two of every animal

[lofty fern]

I think if again, he didn't frown all the time. his head stopped being so square like and he grew out his hair? He might have something there.
Also...unfortunately both he and Luffy suffer from one the biggest turn offs there can be for a guy.
They're both dense as bricks.

[dense pike]

some abstract art ig, the kids ran out of space to give him a proper place to stand

[grand flower]

I know that boay fuckin stank just lemmme drown

[glass plume]

Garp is definitely less so.

[ashen perch]

I am thinking its not kids btw

I bet its just Joyboy who drew it

[grand flower]

Luffy is essentially a child

So still works

[glass plume]

Joyboy's kid drew it.!

[ashen perch]

he just sucks at drawing, like Luffy

[grand flower]

Oh yeah?

You think so?

[lofty fern]

Still a meathead

[ashen perch]

LIKE

[grand flower]

Just like Luffy huh?

[ashen perch]

similar to him... not him

[iron oriole]

I think the whole "drawn by a kid" comment is just to basically be like "oh don't take it seriously" when it comes to in world but obviously for us its different

[glass plume]

Luffy being Joyboy would be SOOOOOO disappointing.

What's next, Blackbeard is Davy Jones?

[lofty fern]

I can't see Joyboy drawing his own exploits any more than I can see Luffy doing so

[tulip turtle]

Is break week over

[lofty fern]

The great one says no

[ashen perch]

I think Joyboy knew that he was going to die, so this is all just part of his preparations for the future

[royal orchid]

still friday

[rose rune]

back in his youth Zunesha was rocking this hair

[glass plume]

Definitely.

[tulip turtle]

Oh..

[glass plume]

That's probably not hair...

[ashen perch]

if Luffy was in a similar position, I think he would do something similar too

[fast pagoda]

So you think uranus is a sun?

Powered by little suns? That would be neat

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/marco-marco-one-piece-smile-smiling-glasses-gif-525027232081675508

[dense pike]

honestly the fact we're assuming mostly-uneducated Elbaph kids from the past had so much knowledge about the past that they could semi-accurately draw both the past and present in the mural might be expecting a bit too much outta them

[glass plume]

I think it's people offering fruits to the devil (Imu)

[rose rune]

they are stealing zunesha's furballs

[ashen perch]

I think its shaped like it, not literally a sun though

[lofty fern]

This I do agree with, though I still don't think he drew the mural. I think we see it with the letter left to the princess though

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-9175862889036779404

[glass plume]

In return, Imu gives these fruits powers.

It's probably the 20 kings, now when I look at it.

[wet condor]

I can see Luffy writing out an apology

As far as all the planning concerned, not really... unless someone helps Luffy with that

[lofty fern]

I still think that all the ancient weapons are going to be alive like Shirahoshi.

[wet condor]

Joyboy might just be smarter than Luffy. Or he could've had help

[dense pike]

you can see Luffy asking Robin to write an apology for him*

[glass plume]

I thought he'd sound a lot more mature...

[wet condor]

Chances are he did, given power of friendship and all that

[lofty fern]

I can see him writing a letter but not being the one to make the mural.

[rose rune]

I'll just post the thingy

[fast pagoda]

Was talking to arsal lol

[wet condor]

Yeah

[fast pagoda]

So do you think pluton would be yamato or momonosuke?

[dense pike]

Thighbreaker image
be suspicious

[royal orchid]

I just got here
I'm doing the stupid Uranus joke

[wet condor]

Joyboy? Do you think he currently sounds immature?

[ashen perch]

yeah I forgot to ping, but I think it will look like it

[glass plume]

From what we heard in the anime, yeah.

[ashen perch]

not literally be a sun

[glass plume]

I think Luffy sounds immature too.

[fast pagoda]

I might be stupid

[wet condor]

Oh I hadn't heard this

[lofty fern]

I'm guessing so. Roger wasn't as dumb as Luffy and I doubt Joyboy is either.

[glass plume]

I thought that Joyboy would sound more like Shanks.

[ashen perch]

eh, Luffy likes to draw, why not?

[rose rune]

you'll never find it

[lofty fern]

The anime has to guess sometimes, especially if Oda hasn't said anything, so it's hard to say

[dense pike]

wait why are we even assuming giants made this 😭
Way too small for giant crayons tbh

[ocean sigil]

Did you all think Garp felt a deep emptiness after Roger died? His laugh was never the same as before they say in the halls of Marine Base 6.

[glass plume]

Definitely some.

[wet condor]

In my head, I did expect him to sound pretty mature. More like a man, like Roger lol

[iron oriole]

It definitely changed him

[ashen perch]

Davy Jones on the Mural btw, a lot of people have been wondering smh

[glass plume]

Yeah

[lofty fern]

It's not just about drawing, it's about WHAT he's drawing. Luffy would not be drawing murals of the past world and his own exploits. Generally it's someone close to him who would do that. Like an Usopp or some world who was allied with him and appreciated him...like ELBAPH?

[ocean sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/garp-gif-21640118

[ashen perch]

its clearly a reference to Burn Scar, because its the only ship thats clearly drawn as pitch black

[wet condor]

Yeah. And Joyboy surely had help even if he is smarter than Luffy — one of the central themes of the story

[runic dock]

Who the heck is this a picture of? Please don’t tell me you think that’s Davy jones

These are just random bozos

[dense pike]

you sly dog

[wet condor]

If that's Davy Jones, it's underwhelming lol

[ashen perch]

Maybe Joyboy didnt have anyone like Usopp (this is why he failed), so he had to do it himself

[runic dock]

Random bozo number 3 and 2 from dressrossa filler 5

[wet condor]

Might be ing there Arsal

[fast pagoda]

I dont think davy jones was actually king

[thick mango]

Odas a coward for not putting pandaman in the mural

[wet condor]

Usopp sacrificing his life to ensure Luffy's success?

[runic dock]

Don’t roleplay too hard

Or you’ll get a warning

[ashen perch]

Earl amongst all the ships there, its the only that is drawn as pitch black

[fast pagoda]

Also I will be very mad if the character named Davy D Jones was never a pirate

[dense pike]

No, Kings the lunarian
and Strongers the horse

[ashen perch]

its clearly not a random ship, lets be clear

[runic dock]

Black and white manga

You can’t use that as evidence

[iron oriole]

Could have put him in there to depict minks

[ashen perch]

EARL

look at the ships

[runic dock]

Black and white manga, is there an anime episode or colored version yet?

[urban lodge]

If Davy Jones is alive I think I'm done

[spice cairn]

EARL, BLACKBEARD IS THE MONSTER ON THE LEFT WATCH OUT

[runic dock]

Not valid proof

[lofty fern]

I don't think so. We know Joyboy had many crewmates and friends and allies who were loyal to him to the end. Many are still persecuted today because of that. I think there were plenty. We don't have to have Joyboy do everything. It could be kids who drew it, just as was stated.

[dense pike]

Clearly, you cant appreciate the rich brown color of a nice mahogany

[grand flower]

been telling em

[ashen perch]

just compare it with the rest man

cmon

COME ON

[runic dock]

Yeah the rest could have similar shades whilst still being different colors

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-funny-waldo-wheres-waldo-wally-gif-27035931

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure there is

[past flax]

I picked a bad time to check in here

[runic dock]

Unfortunately it’s a black and white manga

Limited color pallete

[dense pike]

@runic dock Arsals not timberpilled like us fine pinecels

[wet condor]

Disappointed if that's DJ

[runic dock]

Not yet there isn’t

[ashen perch]

okay clearly I am not the one going insane

[runic dock]

It was rhetorical

[ashen perch]

music do you see a black ship

[wet condor]

He needs to front and center like the rest of them, showing out

[ashen perch]

you do right?

[runic dock]

💀

[dense pike]

I dont

[wet condor]

I do

[ashen perch]

and what is burn scar known for?

a black ship.

[wet condor]

A black ship

[ashen perch]

thank you

[runic dock]

I see a black ship in a black and white manga

[lofty fern]

wasn't there one for a promo somewhere?

[rose rune]

a burn scar

[runic dock]

It’s not valid

[ashen perch]

and who is Burn Scar?

[fast pagoda]

I think Hinokizu being Davy Jones is a real possibility

[past flax]

what have yall pissed off arsal about this time

[ashen perch]

thank you bman

[runic dock]

If there is could you link it

[fast pagoda]

Not the biggest fan, but it could definitely happen

[runic dock]

Even if it is the mural is not proof of it

It’s a black and white manga

[spice cairn]

Hanafuda is the burned man. We've been over this.

[fast pagoda]

I dont think the mural alludes to any of that

[ashen perch]

earl, the only colors in the manga are not black and white, there are screentones being used for every other ship

[runic dock]

Okay I’m glad I’m not crazy here either

[wet condor]

The black ship is curious. That is all I'll say lol

[dense pike]

Arsal, learn how to woodmaxx you birch

[lofty fern]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1994367076048527698

Pew (@pewpiece)

THE OFFICIAL COLORING FOR HARLEY MURAL

X · Nov 28, 2025, 11:25 AM

[tacit ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-movie-6-love-excited-it's-coming-gif-6372305624992122542

[runic dock]

The first part of what you said is my proof against you why are you telling me this like it’s your point against me lol

[fast pagoda]

But I would not be surprised at all if the character who is sinking people while sailing on a pitch black ship and guarding a poneglyph turns out to be Davy Jones

[ashen perch]

NOT

[tacit ivy]

I like the lowercase t at the bottom

[ashen perch]

I phrased that poorly

[runic dock]

Okay this shows multiple black ships lol @ashen perch

[iron oriole]

Burn scar is Imu duh

[ashen perch]

thats not even a clear picture, and its just merchandise

[runic dock]

I’m not even saying black ship Davy jones is impossible

[ashen perch]

you cant be focusing on merchandise

[runic dock]

That’s its own thing I might agree with

[ashen perch]

and ignoring the manga smh

[runic dock]

But the mural doesn’t show that

[ashen perch]

every other ship is white or grey

only one ship is inked black

cmon

[lofty fern]

It would be interesting if it's actually not in color but more ashen like cave drawings

[past flax]

"yamato towel means hes a gonna be a strawhat"

[runic dock]

Maybe that’s the purple one

[past flax]

history repeats

[lofty fern]

I don't think this is the same thing

[ashen perch]

earl...

[past flax]

following merch is never a good idea

[ashen perch]

I dont know what to tell you, its clearly a reference to burn scar, I think the merch can do what it wants to but its not changing this

[runic dock]

Clearly is a stretch but I’ll accept it’s a possible theory

[ashen perch]

its pretty clear

[runic dock]

[ashen perch]

his whole thing mind you

[lofty fern]

I do wonder where Davy's story is supposed to happen. He's a pirate, but that would make him at the same time or a bit after Joyboy's time. Also, it's very possible that Davy's not on the mural because his part wasn't seen or experienced by the giants. Just as if the people of Wano were to talk about Luffy, they wouldn't include anyone he met in Alabasta 🤷

[fast pagoda]

What if davy jones is the one with the sea logia

[ashen perch]

youre more likely to notice his black ship before his scar/mark really

[runic dock]

If he was smart he would have painted his ship a different color by now

And always wear a mask

[ashen perch]

I doubt he doesnt want to be found

[runic dock]

Everyone knows you for the most distinct looking color ship , how secretive

[runic dock]

Oh ok

[ashen perch]

he just wants it to be difficult to find him

[lofty fern]

I guess it would depend on who he is

[ashen perch]

true true

[fast pagoda]

I think Davy either has a sea logia or kraken zoan

[dense pike]

Yall have been arguing over the version @rose rune sent 😭
Did none of you realize he just added that black ship in to troll?

[cunning jacinth]

wait does Shiryu speculate that the burn scar man is a member of the WG because he has certain powers over the sea?

[ashen perch]

you arent pulling this on me lemon

I have my chapters downloaded

smh

[cunning jacinth]

the sea presumably being Imu's domain

[dense pike]

It was worth a shot

[ornate tartan]

the last strawhat is arsal

[distant vine]

That was a clever bit

[rose rune]

arsal uploaded his own with the text after I uploaded mine

[distant vine]

It would have been really embarassing for them if they got mixed up

[dense pike]

I thought the last strawhat was the one that broke the camels back

[pulsar path]

That hilarious

[ashen perch]

speaking of burn scar actually

he was last mentioned in chapter 1081...

Oda loves his numbers

[dense pike]

all i wanted was a second of doubt 😌

[fast pagoda]

Oda sorta just straight up said hes appearing this year

[rose rune]

I did not edit it tho. I just said "you'll never find it" in hopes you would look at every little detail

[ashen perch]

we're close to 1181, who knows, maybe we get a debut from him

[dense pike]

I know, i was using your reputation in an attempt to gaslight

[pulsar path]

Imu burn scar

[ashen perch]

if Burn Scar is good, which I believe he will be

then he might be the one to save the crew here

[fast pagoda]

I think the possibility of him ending up saving the crew from dying after losing to Imu is far less than zero

[pulsar path]

I would hate that. Random no one saved them

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[pulsar path]

Gaimon if he's the burn scar tho

[ashen perch]

I mean he wouldnt be a random nobody for long

[pulsar path]

Ehh but it would be random coming in

That don't really work well in mangas

[distant vine]

Chapter 1185. Law's almost out of the hospital. He groans "I didnt want to have to see him again, but I'm out of options..." and he pulls the burn scar man's Vivre Card out of his pocket

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[pulsar path]

Every time that's happen the results haven't been good

Plus the state hats would be like whoa are you? Burn what

[ashen perch]

well you should then believe in Mom Marked by Flames (my theory) if you want them to not be a nobody smh

[pulsar path]

Well you didn't add that aprr

Part

Okay I could see that

If it's a mom reveal

[ashen perch]

they know about Burn Scar tbf, Kid mentioned him to them

[pulsar path]

To who tho?

[ashen perch]

to Luffy, and Robin overheard it too

[distant vine]

They were all there basically

[ashen perch]

yeah I imagine the whole crew likely heard it

[distant vine]

Luffy even inquired into it, even tho he didnt get any more info

[lofty fern]

I do think that Imu is the one that cursed Zunesha. He punished him just as he punished the fishman and the buccaneers. Wano and Elbaph escaped judgement but Elbaph's history was lost and Wano closed themselves off. Wano did finish making the poneglyphs and Lily spread them over the earth

[pulsar path]

The only time I remember kid talking about it was right before he went to attack Luffy

[ashen perch]

Lufy was annoyed that Kid wasnt telling more

[pulsar path]

I have lnt read wano in a min

[lofty fern]

You think we're changing perspective?

I'd like that

[distant vine]

In terms of Elbaph, no

Post conflict sure

[pulsar path]

It definitely registers to robin

[ashen perch]

Law's reaction there is so interesting

[fast pagoda]

Wait what is your big mom theory

[wet condor]

I was gonna say

[distant vine]

That boy Law knows something, that face is too intense

[pulsar path]

But Luffy lmao probably hear burn scar meat

[ashen perch]

oh no its not about BIG Mom

[wet condor]

Law seems like he knows something

[ashen perch]

its about Luffy's mom

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[dense rapids]

In the anime they put law in slow motion and cued ominous music

[wet condor]

But he's not divulging any information I guess because he doesn't want to lose his advantage over Luffy lol

[fast pagoda]

You think she romanced hinokizu?

[glass plume]

What was the name of the assumed Luffy's mother now again...

Torima?

[ashen perch]

I think she IS hinokizu

[lofty fern]

He knows like Kid knows, probably even more than Kid knows

[lofty fern]

Tritoma

[distant vine]

Warlord Law meeting the Burn Scar Man in their duty as a WG agent?

[glass plume]

That's it.

[pulsar path]

Well....he did have a long convo with sengoku didn't he....

[wet condor]

Easy mistake

[pulsar path]

Toriko is burn scar man?

[rose rune]

here you go. an Oda accurate edit

[red lagoon]

Law know something

Imagine corazon still alive

[pulsar path]

I mean he is technically a part of onepeice 🤣

[pulsar path]

Maybe sengoku told him that

[lofty fern]

I don't think Sengoku or Law would be so upset if he was

[fast pagoda]

I wouldnt be surprised if the series ends without ever seeing luffy's moms face

[pulsar path]

Sengoku probably would still be in contact with corazone

If they lived

[dense pike]

Nice

[tawny panther]

just to get killed by Doffy again lol

[lofty fern]

We pretty much saw all of Sengoku and Law's conversation

[dense rapids]

I assume law heard about burn scar during rocky port

[pulsar path]

I mean we never see all of anything we constantly have cut aways

[dense rapids]

Kidd probably through the Underworld

[dense pike]

Amazing work

[rose rune]

I put my heart and soul into it

[pulsar path]

Idk it seems like even tho law, koby and bb were fighting on the same side it seems like they did r interact at all the way bb and law act when they fight

[ashen perch]

I actually posted my theory before this person, but they add onto it which I appreciate. If you wanna check it out:

https://x.com/StrawhatUFO/status/1971991732448526844?s=20

Mr UFO 👒🛸 (@StrawhatUFO)

One Piece Long-Shot Theory:

The Man With The Burn Scar is…Tritoma???

A theory that brings together flames 🔥, go-mu 5⃣6⃣, and the power of love ♥️.

#onepiece #onepiecetheory

X · Sep 27, 2025, 5:34 PM

[lofty fern]

It wasn't really that many cutaways. it was a pretty poignant straightforward scene. It gave Law a new purpose in life

[dense pike]

especially heart

[rapid ridge]

Wowie

[lofty fern]

I can't see anyone confusing Tritoma for a man

[rapid ridge]

Shanks wins

Oh wait, wrong chat for agenda posting

[dense rapids]

Apparently rocky port happened because of a supposed Poneglyph

Koby and the marines appeared because of the royal ship that was in the cross fire

[glass plume]

I wonder how much Shanks knows about Imu.

I imagine it's not more than just the "great one"

And the existance of them.

[pulsar path]

Yeah I mean I'm saying I don't think law was close enough to BB to learn anything maybe koby

[lofty fern]

Law was there because of rumors of one I believe. BB was there to take over the island, and Koby was there being Koby

[ashen perch]

UFO speculates that maybe Ivankov is involved there, but even if hes not, I think the way Burn Scar operates makes it hard to get any info on them

[lofty fern]

That seemed to be the suggestion from the flashback. He seemed to know very little, Gaban was the same.

[glass plume]

I wonder if Shanks is intrigued of knowing more, or if he kinda just lets Nika deal with it in the end.

[lofty fern]

The way Oda draws Kuja women? You could definately tell it wasn't a man 😆

[ashen perch]

if nobody's seen them, nobody's seeing if its a man or not

[pulsar path]

The scene started from a Cut away

[hot cairn]

well, how do people know he has a burn scar if they haven’t seen him

[dense pike]

What if its Grandpa Pokoro

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

[graceful belfry]

Valid question lmao

[dense rapids]

The bigger question is how it left FMi

That’s the key to it all

Whether it was stolen or hidden

[dense pike]

yeah either theyre really sneaky, or Neptune let them

[prisma yacht]

Gimme a random char that comes in ur mind after reading this

[dense pike]

Gonfall

[glass plume]

I think that man marked by flame is a completely new character.

Maybe even one of the original 20 kings.

Imagine if there's an original 20 king out there, same age as Imu pretty much.
Who did something which caused Imu to curse them to sail sea for eternity.

[hot cairn]

that’s the question I always ask when people say it’s a giant for example (Saul) . People have definitely seen him, that’s why he has that nickname

[glass plume]

Maybe they have a covenant as well, but they're not willing of it.

It was forced upon them.

[prisma yacht]

TUBAHHHHH

[lofty fern]

Yeah, to change scenes. Also I think you probably need to reread that scene, especially if you have some wild notion like Cora being alive

[dense rapids]

I saw a theory that Tom’s brother Den could be connected to burn scar since he was in the sea forest when he first appeared

[hot cairn]

true

[lofty fern]

Hard to know with him, he seemed only slightly interested at the time, almost as if he didn't quite believe Imu existed

[pulsar path]

Sure just like Sabo got killed

Retcon

[dense pike]

Maybe he let Tom have it

[pulsar path]

Happen

[runic dock]

The way that it’s barely even mentioned by Neptune or anyone else leads me to think whoever moved it from FMI was definitely a friend of the fishmen

And I think that’s a clue

[dense rapids]

^

[glass plume]

It's interesting how little Shanks seems to care about the World Government as a whole, if they don't get in his way he doesn't get in theirs... Maybe it has to do with his familial ties with Shamrock?

[dense rapids]

Yea it must’ve been protected

[hot cairn]

I agree

[runic dock]

Friend of the fishmen , possible connection to WG(however loose it may be), black ship, whirlpools….

IS it a fishman???

[dense rapids]

Den was at the same place

And he’s the sea forest researcher

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/tacchan56110/status/2042543753093857773?s=20

たっちゃん (@tacchan56110)

#今週のワンピ #rkgk

X · Apr 10, 2026, 10:02 AM

[runic dock]

I like how so many fan arts are respective of the fact they don’t know Imu’s colors yet lol

[stone terrace]

Brah who invited bb

[lofty fern]

I think the other 18 are just going to be randos, probably very similar to the evil kings of today who were jealous or greedy and wanted the ancient kingdom's power. That's why all 18 moved to Marijois with their whole families and where that general greed bound them to Imu's manipulation and rule and thus we have the CD families. With Lily being the one exception and not agreeing to swear to the throne or to move to the holy land.
I think Lily will continue to be special, by keeping the other 18 the same

[stone terrace]

😭

[runic dock]

Literally imu and the manga itself

[prisma yacht]

[stone terrace]

The other two are about to fight imu

[runic dock]

Me when imu slices up luffy and bb’s bounty posters to show them of equal importance while calling bb “Davy jones “ directly

😭

[pulsar path]

Personally I think the biggest chance Shanks will be the one to show up vs Imu with second being BB and third being dragon

[glass plume]

Maybe, though I think it's interesting if some of them were forced to cooperate and Lily is the one who actually pulled away in time.

[stone terrace]

And shirahoshi

Is she drawn?

[lofty fern]

Oh I think he very much cares. We saw his torment over his connection during the flashback. However, I think he also understands there's little he can do on his own. Him keeping out of most affair might be a deal he struck to get the WG to leave him and his crew alone

[runic dock]

She was given her own cut up panel

Bb and luffy in the same panel

[hot cairn]

yeah that’s funny lol

[stone terrace]

Its one thing if he drew bb and luffy and left out loko

[prisma yacht]

Bruh the artist didn't care

Lmfao

[stone terrace]

Yeah im just teasing

Draw whatever you want lmao

Not my pen

[runic dock]

I’m just here to argue

[glass plume]

Could be, it would be very interesting to hear him talk more with Garling and Shamrock...
I think they might have told him things he isn't supposed to know as a pirate, though he knows that he can't do anything like you said.

Similair situation as Xebec on Marijoa, he pulled up and he realized there's nothing he could do.

[wraith mantle]

Where my golden rocks at

[lofty fern]

I think that would take away from Lily's decision. That she was offered tempation and decided against it. She was given a chance to bite the devil's fruit, but this Eve said no. However, I think something else happened which is why she never returned

[thick mango]

i really want imu to have a point

to have degraded

mayeb even to have started out decently good

[glass plume]

Hmm, can't wait until we find out.

[runic dock]

I just realized he’s doing the invincible pose lol

[thick mango]

I want the 800 years of power to be the thing that ruined imu, not that they were cartoonishly evil all along and somehow fooled the world into helping him sieze control

[runic dock]

Then that means joyboy was the bad guy and imu was originally justified?

[glass plume]

I am 50/50 on one side i'd like this, on the other side of things i'd like Imu to just be a reincarnation of the literal devil playing a different game from the first world, now biding their time and actually coming up with a strategy to achieve world domination.

I like the idea of Imu or the Devil in this case, acting in the shadows sly and malicious but maybe kind to those who don't know them.

[glass plume]

At least back in the Void Century

[lofty fern]

I don't think every bad guy has to be so nuanced or have a super sad backstory. Some bad guys are just great at being bad

[thick mango]

it doesnt have to be black and white bad guys and good guys. It can be two kinda goodish guys who have a legitimate disagreement

[fluid cedar]

He probably was good the ancient kingsdoms ancient weapons are too destructive

[runic dock]

Hmmm cook

[glass plume]

I like the idea of Imu being a literal reincarnation of the devil, who hailed from the first world.

Similair to Davy Jones and Joyboy having incarnations.

[thick mango]

I just find it hard to believe he rallied 20 kingdoms including alabasta against the AK based on nothing other than 'we'll get to have slaves and awesome luxury!'

[wraith mantle]

Exactly

It’s so boring if Imu is just born evil, started evil, and will end evil

[lofty fern]

He IS the devil....

[runic dock]

I like that but being attached to the devil fruit nerona ate

Not him himself

[wraith mantle]

Just lazy writing

[stone terrace]

Yea like at best imu made a deal with the devil and it corrupted him

[thick mango]

Or maybe he made a deal with the devil for an end he thought was good

[glass plume]

I'd like it if it was something he was born with.

[stone terrace]

But you kinda cant get past him having literal devil powers

[runic dock]

The devil fruit nerona ate is the literal reincarnation of the devil , just as nika fruit is the literal reincarnation of th real nika that once fought the god of war

[lofty fern]

Was Enel boring? He started evil and ended up evil. I don't think you need to have everyone be so gray. Some of the best villains in stories are just straight up evil

[glass plume]

I like the idea of the devil taking over Imu at an early age.

[wraith mantle]

Ngl I am not a big Enel fan

[thick mango]

i do think he was kinda boring yes, skypeia is carried by the setting, not enel

[glass plume]

Even shit like Imu talking to themselves, being afraid of the powers they have or whatever.

[lofty fern]

Every villain thinks what they are doing is best

[glass plume]

And then slowly growing more and more malicious and evil.

[thick mango]

i dont think so. doffy and blackbeard dont. ceaser clown doesnt really.

[glass plume]

From the influence of the devil that they have inside of them.

[lofty fern]

They do...for them. All a matter of perspective

Some people are just selfish, that's just a fact

[ashen perch]

I wonder about that too, like no one's gotten close to them but also they know he has a scar? Maybe Burn Scar spread that about himself on his own lol

[glass plume]

Doflamingo himself said that the victor decides what's wrong and right.

[thick mango]

well im hoping for something broader. A good being pursued that is understandable and reasonable to us as readers and to the 20 kingdoms of the coalition as well

[thick mango]

thats not thinking he's right thats a nihilistic rejection of any morality at all

[glass plume]

Well I think that Doflamingo views himself as right, given he thinks that him being declined to join his birthright is a sin. One which he wishes to correct, he doesn't view the people below as anything but lamb for the slaughter.

[lofty fern]

Some people are just sociopaths with little interest in the feelings or emotions of others. It's why I like someone like Aizen or Frieza or Ursula or Scar, just unapologetically evil

[glass plume]

In Doflamingos eyes, he is correct in doing this.

If his people doesn't accept him, he won't accept them either.

[wraith mantle]

Ngl I want Imu to have initially started out as pursuing world peace but used twisted methods to achieve it, out of necessity. And over time and through living an eternity in isolation he just got mad and lost his head

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/cpt_sj/status/2042355756083695776?s=46

Sj (@Cpt_Sj)

@Sm1le202 Xebec had 5 kings kidnapped. Imu was like F them.
You think Imu is going to fold for a D clan member?

Teech didnt grab Law's poneglyphs. Well he didnt have them on film/a panel like shanks.
Garp is going to be used as bait to lure luffy out and for them to attempt to get his 3.

X · Apr 9, 2026, 9:35 PM

[thick mango]

I want blackbeard to be the unapologetically evil one and imu to be the understandable beginnings corrupted over time one

cause think about being alive and ruling for 800 years. I think its gauaranteed to mess you up.

how could you avoid starting to think of humans as lesser?

[glass plume]

I just want Imu to be the literal devil.

[thin quest]

I think Enel is fascinating personally, how did he know about the Ark and how to build it?

[glass plume]

Like, "What if the devil took gods place."

[wraith mantle]

Like the world government as a concept is a really cool idea (CD shenanigans aside)

[glass plume]

I think he had some blueprints from Birka.

[wraith mantle]

World united against pirates

[glass plume]

And then he ordered slaves to build it for him.

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/iamosix2/status/2042621360946495725?s=46

OSIX /COOMS OPEN! (@iamosix2)

#ONEPIECE

X · Apr 10, 2026, 3:10 PM

[lofty fern]

I'm honestly tired to nuanced villains who have sad crybaby backstories and are really antiheros and say "Poor woe is me, I was trying to do good but look how I was corrupted!" We've had so much of that in media recently. Give me a flat out bad guy, who is selfish and horrible and delights in it.
I will take that any day.

[glass plume]

ODA JUST DROP THE OFFICIAL COLORS FOR FUCK SAKE I CANT BEAR THE WAIT.

https://klipy.com/gifs/rage-103

[thick mango]

we got two villians here we can have both. And it doesnt even have to be super justified i jsut want it to the tiniest bit understandable. Something like Ancient Kingdom doing dangerous world-threatening science with the ancient weapons and mother flame is a good enough reason for me

[hot cairn]

lol idk, I think it’s clear people have seen him based by the name

[fringe ice]

@cloud adder
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vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 10, 2026, 11:57 AM

[thin quest]

yeah Birka probably had all the history preserved

[trim lily]

i would assume the burn scar would be the most apparent detail of them

[lofty fern]

It is if it wasn't all created as a cover. The idea of the WG always started with the CDs first rising on high above the world and then everything else was built around it. But the nations of the world have since the inception are meant to serve the CDs. It's been selfishness since the beginning

[ashen perch]

we do know for a fact that they have not allowed anyone to get close to them though, any ship that gets close is sunk

[prisma yacht]

Nekanks

[glass plume]

The World Government is ultimately a faccade, yeah.

It's something to lure the people into thinking that they're supporting the right side.

Not knowing that hell waits.

[rose rune]

if one piece was a different anime (??)

[hot cairn]

yeah but that doesn’t mean they haven’t seen him

[brittle basin]

*better anime

[ashen perch]

I feel like you'd need to get close to see someone but idk

[glass plume]

I think people still wouldn't understand.

[wraith mantle]

We don’t know if the WG was founded to create an elite class (aka the CDs)

[lofty fern]

I think we have that. Imu has human emotions and desires like frustration and anger, I don't think anything he does will be justified, but in his own eyes maybe he thought he could do better and considered the Ancient kingdom a threat. I don't think all those nations that are currently our friends, who were then all allied with the ancient kingdom would have done so if it was evil. The same way we know the Nefertari's would never agree to become CDs. What we see of them currently is what was the same of them before.

[wraith mantle]

It evidently reached that state, but we don’t know if that was the original objective

[stone terrace]

Didnt one of the verses say "man touched the forbidden sun"

[rose rune]

I still love the idea of Zunesha just being around for every fight giving commentary

[stone terrace]

Another strong bible reference

[glass plume]

I think it was their goal.

[hot cairn]

I think so

[glass plume]

The 20 kings and Imu ultimately wanted power probably.

[hot cairn]

yep was about to say

[thick mango]

dang i would get into this more but im 2 minutes from disc kicking me off to force me to go work, bye

[glass plume]

And they thought about the people and said "Hey... Let's trick them into thinking we're the good guys.!"

[hot cairn]

the forbidden fruit

[glass plume]

Maybe this is when Lily leaves.

"No... I won't stand for it! I can't trick my people..!"

[sterile fjord]

Yo!! Guys

[lofty fern]

We do know. We know that they first decided to rise on high to the holy land and move from their original kingdoms and then they formed and founded the WG. In fact it's literally told to us several times. The CDs founded the WG.

[glass plume]

Also what are the giant bridges for?

I've heard people say that it's making a massive pentagram.

[lofty fern]

Have fun a work

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-keyboard-keyboard-warrior-gif-8560573792522856674

[glass plume]

Dragon:

https://klipy.com/gifs/gorilla-monkey-12

Garp and Luffy:

[prisma yacht]

Monke

[wraith mantle]

They decided to move to the holy land, that we know. But we don’t know if the intention was to create an elite class. It could be they wanted the central government location.

[glass plume]

Placing themselves on top of literally everyone, certainly indicates the former.

Even distinguishing themselves as the "Celestial Dragons"

Also, why are they called Celestial Dragons?

[wraith mantle]

When did they start calling themselves that?

[rose rune]

man, I wish I had bought more natto while I was at the place that sells it.
it's actually crazy good

[stone terrace]

🤮

[brittle basin]

Dragons are mythical and powerful beasts. Celestial refers to the stars. They are, in their minds, "powerful beasts who are higher above than all else?"

[glass plume]

What the hell is Natto?

[rose rune]

the slimy fermented beans

[wraith mantle]

Moss head

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/natto-japanese-delicacy-納豆-gif-5611928

[glass plume]

I guess it could be that simple.

I kinda expected a literal space dragon.

[brittle basin]

it could also relate to the moon since it is a celestial body

[stone terrace]

Heavenly dragons might be a better tl but considering that the elders are named after planets

Kinda works out better

[brittle basin]

"planetfall" was a god tier chapter title name

[glass plume]

What do you think the next chapter will be called?

Maybe... "Raising Hell"

[lofty fern]

We know because that was the plan all along. Why do you think Lily said no? Do you think she would be against a central government that was for rights for all?

[brittle basin]

"The death of brave warrior Usopp"

[rose rune]

I still wonder why the anime did this. it doesn't look good in the slightest.
a bit funny tho

[glass plume]

They said "FUCK Yasopp"

[lofty fern]

good

[ashen perch]

idk but I need Imu to counter Gear 5

[wraith mantle]

Nigga idk nothing about Lily lol

[ashen perch]

he should be the Jerry to Luffy's Tom

[wraith mantle]

She could be evil

[hot cairn]

that looks nasty

[ashen perch]

he should bully Luffy basically

[wraith mantle]

Or morally grey

[lofty fern]

Read too fast huh? lol

[glass plume]

He should bully EVERYONE.

[hot cairn]

it’s like beans with spiderwebs

[brittle basin]

What if he, like, says some really questionable gamer words at Luffy though? Drops a few slurs, you know?

[rose rune]

and I didn't even show the worst looking part

[ashen perch]

yeah sure why not

[ornate tartan]

I think yall are going to be disappointed

when imu does not destroy the two

[hot cairn]

in what way

[glass plume]

No way, Oda knows what he is doing with this reveal.

[ashen perch]

I think youre just setting your expectations in the abyss

[hot cairn]

I meant the beans

the beans look nasty

[restive wedge]

They be doing too much fr

[ornate tartan]

the reveal is amazing im talking about the fight moreso, I think there will be major plot convenience that either nerfs imus power or makes him leave

[rose rune]

they do. I'll agree to that

[ornate tartan]

because imu is simply too strong for them atm

[glass plume]

Yeah, after he beats the shit out of everyone lol.

I don't expect any straw hat to die.

[ornate tartan]

that’s what’s hard to believe

[ashen perch]

Just no sell everything he's doing, counter every single attack, and do toon force better than Luffy himself

thats kind of what I am picturing

[ornate tartan]

why would he just beat them up and leave