also-manga

[leaden rivet]

You know I have like 0 interest in the Blackbeard pirates vs Strawhat pirates fight

Genuinely just don’t care

[rugged ore]

i was just thinking about it. but yea.

i guess we don't know if doc q is good fighter at all

[pulsar timber]

These are all inconsequential compared to th character make up of the main villain though. Majority of these I don’t find lame though so that’s just up to personal preference

[leaden rivet]

There’s 0 work in establishing a rivalry between them so it means nothing to me

[pulsar timber]

That’s why Loki is joining

[rugged ore]

idk how good the shiki shiki no mi is

[leaden rivet]

Well I don’t find Imu being an incel stupid (it is lame) but I think it can make his character more interesting.

[rugged ore]

wdym? i feel they've crossed paths a ton

[leaden rivet]

Super evil villains with a soft spot for something are always peak

[glacial bear]

BBP are the wildcards. Because i genuinely can’t tell when they start coming into play

[pulsar timber]

Well I’m glad you find that more interesting

[rugged ore]

at major junctures and its implied BB is planning something big

[glacial bear]

Mhm. BB always seems to have a plan in motion

[leaden rivet]

Luffy and Blackbeard sure

[rugged ore]

how is he an incel?

[glacial bear]

They’re operating admits the chaos of the Straw Hats & Revs vs WG

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard plan: I want something, make vague idea of a plan, holes and obstacles taken care of by luck (odas pen). Boom I get what I want or better

[leaden rivet]

Hmmm does this sound stupid and lame to you?

[thick mango]

fortune favors the bold

[rugged ore]

well he didn't get boa df

[leaden rivet]

Pending

[pulsar timber]

I’m indifferent to it

[rugged ore]

that woulda been bonkers

[thick mango]

the master planner who wasnt willing to improvise was kuro and he couldnt even rob one rich girl

[rugged ore]

i forget kuro exists lmao

[pulsar timber]

Got Koby instead which led to garp

[digital spear]

WURO OF THE 1000 PLANS

Oh ok

[rugged ore]

wg doesn't care about garp and he prob gonna escape

[leaden rivet]

Garp is probably more valuable than Hancock’s fruit

[rugged ore]

doubt

[glacial bear]

The Navy are definitely going to care.

[pulsar timber]

Oda is going to have them agree for whatever reason and Blackbeard gets what he wants because Oda always makes sure he does

[thick mango]

its so funny that rayliegh is like dont worry ill neogtate something fair.
Ok first order of business, koby, youre blackbeard's prisoner

[glacial bear]

Garp has a ton of followers & admirers as a hero

[rugged ore]

u think imu gives a shit?

[glacial bear]

And the navy are still apart of the WG.

[digital spear]

BB could possess Garp or domi reversi him

[pulsar timber]

Imu will be gone and garling will push to make a deal with Blackbeard because they need to fight back against the revos and blah blah

The fat fuck gets what he wants

[leaden rivet]

I will agree with Muk if Caribou actually tells Blackbeard where the weapons are

That is just a bit too egregious

[digital spear]

[rugged ore]

doubt.

why you thinking imu gonna so soon?

[glacial bear]

The NAVY are apart of the WG. THEY will give a shit

[pulsar timber]

I mean he will be here in elbaf

[digital spear]

He just did

[pulsar timber]

So he can’t make decisions

[digital spear]

He left Mariejois

[pulsar timber]

The navy are just a face and front for the wg

They hold no power

[rich hornet]

They are the power

[pulsar timber]

Because the wg lets them. They exist to exercise their Will

[leaden rivet]

Koby was trying to capture Hancock and then she’d promptly be enslaved again instead he himself gets enslaved.

This is why I love Blackbeard

[glacial bear]

Imu is definitely getting fucked up.

[pulsar timber]

Kuzan will kill caribou before he can answer trust

[pulsar timber]

Imu is doing the fucking

[ember spoke]

wrong

[dense haven]

elbaf will fail

[glacial bear]

When you come across as someone as stubborn as Luffy. Oh boy. On top of that, Luffy has his full crew & now Loki & Ragnir

[ember spoke]

in the end he will

[pulsar timber]

And then he’s pulled back to his land with his employees he probably hates

[leaden rivet]

Egghead in general was just a bit too plot armory for Blackbeard, Devon spoke like they didn’t even expect Saturn to be there, they chanced upon it, got lucky and then got lucky again with Caribou

[grand flower]

Imu probably won’t care, but the navy will mobilize regardless I think

[ember spoke]

underestimating Imu

[glacial bear]

Imu is now there in the actual flesh. He’s definitely receiving damage. Hell, he already harmed himself coming down to the lower world before the fight even happened

[pulsar timber]

Something something fate

[digital spear]

And then he will be fired

[ember spoke]

bro it's no diff to gomu gomu no pistol🫡

[grand flower]

York told Blackbeard about an Elder coming to egghead

Trust

[glacial bear]

That’s a good point

[pulsar timber]

Kuzan then kills Blackbeard and absorbs him revealing himself as the actual Davy jones who kept his body in ice for centuries

[grand flower]

You’re onto something. Caribou will probably try to slime teach for killing wang zhi

[glacial bear]

What did Blackbeard Pirates originally came to do on Egghead? And if it was Saturn, how did they know beforehand?

[leaden rivet]

It’s kinda funny to think about

[pulsar timber]

It couldn’t have been for Saturn

[ember spoke]

isn't it obvs

[bold sonnet]

Vegapunk

[pulsar path]

Most people think it was a way to get power over serphim

[glacial bear]

Somehow they have tabs on everything going on

[pulsar timber]

Unless it’s as shuron says

Otherwise it would be impossible

[leaden rivet]

If Thatch just never found that fruit Davey clan over, Blackbeard sits on that ship until he dies. Rocks would’ve looked really silly lol.

[grand flower]

We know for a fact that York figured out the government was planning to kill her as well. We learn this when she tells the Seraphim, and we see the Blackbeard pirates arrive right after that

I think York realized the government would have to send an Elder

Otherwise they could defend themselves with the Seraphim and Pacifista

[pulsar timber]

I think he wanted a way to control the seraphim after seeing them for the first time so they were sent to copy Vegapunks appearance but they found someone higher on the command hierarchy

[pulsar path]

I mean laffiette is taking Tabs on the wg

[glacial bear]

It’s not because I doubt an Elder arriving in the flesh would be common knowledge. An Admiral & Navy battleship’s, sure. But Saint Saturn? Hmm. I doubt it

[leaden rivet]

How would Blackbeard even know about the command hierarchy?

[grand flower]

@glacial bear now from there, we saw when Blackbeard invaded Amazon Lily that he recognized that the seraphim were Pacifista

[glacial bear]

That is true

[pulsar timber]

Interrogate a poor marine or koby or something

[grand flower]

He also recognized they were Lunarian

[grand flower]

Nope, it’s not that

After Blackbeard encountered the seraphim, he looked into it

Got in touch with York

[glacial bear]

Oh yeah Blackbeard somehow recognized it. He saw the markings

[grand flower]

They bonded over their treacherous nature and their greed

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think Koby would talk

[grand flower]

York told him an elder woukd be coming because

[ember spoke]

doubt it

[grand flower]

As we established

She figured out they were gonna kill her too

[leaden rivet]

Maybe a poor marine but do rank and file marines really know all there is to the command hierarchy?

[grand flower]

Only an elder can take the Pacifista from her

[glacial bear]

Exactly.

[leaden rivet]

And I’m pretty sure Hancock stoned nearly all the marines there

Well I guess we’ll find out

[grand flower]

Knowing the government planned on betraying her, York agreed to help Blackbeard steal the seraphim and infiltrate Marijoa @glacial bear

That’s why Devon says mission accomplished when she touched Saturn

[pulsar timber]

I don’t see why not

[grand flower]

The plan is for Saturina Devon to command the Seraphim for Teach

[glacial bear]

That’s a good theory. And yeah I raised an eyebrow when Catarina Devon said that.

Mhm. And now they have intel about 2/3 of the ancient weapon locations

[grand flower]

I think Caribou is lying to them

[thick mango]

hes not a good guy but i do love bb. Thats kinda what i love about him. Hes so unapologetically in it for himself. If he ends up being motivated by familial revenge im gonna be a little disappointed

[grand flower]

Needed an escape from egghead

[leaden rivet]

Yeah most of them did get stoned except Koby

[glacial bear]

There’s a reason Oda isn’t focusing on Teach a lot. He’s up to something. Same thing with the whole draping Newgate in a black blanket. I wonder what that’s about & why Teach is the only one in history to successfully eat more than 1 fruit

[glacial bear]

Could be. Definitely possible

[pulsar timber]

It’s implied Devon can copy powers but how is thag going to work with both Saturn dead and his powers potentially not even being a fruit

[leaden rivet]

I’m 99% sure at this point he wants to be king of the world due to it being his birth right

[pulsar timber]

Oda is focusing on teach

[thick mango]

i dont think its about the powers or espionage or anything, its about seraphim control

[thick mango]

i think its aligns with his conception of freedom, not anything to do with his ancestors. His freedom is domination of everyone else to secure his own freedom

[pulsar timber]

We know he’s about to do something big involving the revos and marijois. Oda just hasn’t shown the outside world in a while

[leaden rivet]

Rocks flashback was lowkey just hype for teach

[pulsar timber]

Every Blackbeard apperance is hype for him

He has his grimy hands in everything

[leaden rivet]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

Teach gets clowned just as much as he gets hyped

[pulsar timber]

Wouldn’t say as much

[leaden rivet]

I mean there’s a reason people think Enel can beat him

[glacial bear]

That’s the exact vibe I’m picking up on

[hasty sable]

The difference between Blackbeard and Xebec to me is that Xebec wanted to be King of the World to fight the government and Teach wants to be king of the world because he wants everything

[pulsar timber]

That person was just insane

[thick mango]

i wouldnt even say he gets clowned, every time he loses in a moment he wins in the long term goal oriented way. He only even loses if you care about a conception of like warriors pride that it actually matters to win 1v1 fights rather than accomplish objectives. from an objective standpoint, he always wins

[glacial bear]

Teach’s original name was going to be Everything D. Teach

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is a mirror of the Celestial Dragons whilst Xebec was more like a revolutionary

[glacial bear]

Instead of Marshall D. Teach

[pulsar timber]

This is so on the nose Oda lol

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard saw as his homeland was filled with slaves and he saw the horrors and decided he wanted to enslave people also.

That’s my goat

[pulsar timber]

The guy Named everything wants everything

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard’s devil fruit power is literally a bottomless hole that takes in everything

[rugged ore]

They are controlled by the 5 elders. They won't mobilize without their approval. Whole reason why SWORD and garp went on their own

[glacial bear]

And Teach will obviously succeed where his father failed. Teach has no liability like loved ones for example. And he has actual loyal members of his crew like the original core members from Jaya

[leaden rivet]

His mother is definitely still out there

[rugged ore]

Sorry missed a word. I meant "die so soon"

[pulsar timber]

Teach killed his mother

[hasty sable]

He will probably come closer than Xebec at least

[rugged ore]

I mean he hasn't lost a fight.

[pulsar timber]

I want Lafitte to be Blackbeards trebol so bad but it’s not gonna happen

[leaden rivet]

Yeah Magellan didn’t smoke him or anything

[grand flower]

I thought it was really weird that he risks Devon and Auger leaving him behind instead of just telling them he knows about ancient weapons so they guarantee take him away

Then I realized he's done nothing but lie his ass off every time we see him in the story and now he looks like he's the son of the guy who betrayed Rocks and was killed by Blackbeard

[rugged ore]

He didn't?

[thick mango]

and who walked out of this with their goal achieved and who walked out with an embarassign failure and demotion?

[pulsar timber]

His story just ends here if Luffy didn’t invade. Or if Magellan just didn’t free Shiryu

[leaden rivet]

Teach

[rugged ore]

Indeed

[leaden rivet]

I mean you said he never lost a fight

[grand flower]

that's not how they walked out of that

[glacial bear]

The 5 Elders dwell on politics. And it’s not good politics to have one of your best marines, the HERO of the Navy, be left out to dry.

The public would just lose more faith in the government for that.

[leaden rivet]

He lost that fight

[grand flower]

they walked out of that teach groveling in poison

[thick mango]

I said he never lost his objective

[grand flower]

they walked out of a separate fight

[rugged ore]

Not if the public doesn't know

[thick mango]

he loses fights, but fights dont matter

[leaden rivet]

Not speaking to you

The other guy

[thick mango]

oh

[glacial bear]

Lmao Blackbeard will make it known

[latent hamlet]

if shiryu never had that poison, BB would be dead lol

[rugged ore]

They can literally disappear him like they did an entire island

[latent hamlet]

and BB and crew were like
"damn we were lucky"
"or maybe its fate"
"doesnt matter, we live"

[grand flower]

Getting a battleship after Marineford and capturing Luffy at Jaya

Also capturing Law

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard has like the dumbest plan for impel down ever and it only really works due to circumstances he didn’t really know were at hand lol

[pulsar timber]

Can’t wait for Luffy to pummel Blackbeard

[grand flower]

And getting the flame flame frui

[leaden rivet]

People give Kuro way too much flack

[grand flower]

Fruit*

[glacial bear]

Actually no. The public DOES KNOW 😂 Morgans literally stated it on his newspaper. There was a whole scene of Dadan crying reading the article

[grand flower]

Also whatever he had planned with Moria is out the window

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard does a lot of dumb shit constantly

[latent hamlet]

luck / fate is a part of the series

[grand flower]

Teach actually does lose out on a lot of objectives

Burgess himself talks about it

With Teach, he just has an even better come up waiting for him

[warm sierra]

thats why hes covering a ton of bases at the same time

[rugged ore]

Oh fair. Well there's your answer. They haven't done anything.

[pulsar timber]

If caribou tells him the ancient weapon locations…

[thick mango]

Wasnt the battleship thing for subterfuge? which he accomplished anyway being a warlord
He didnt capture luffy but luffy wasnt the point, the point was to get a high value target to get anoninted as a warlord, which he did.
He was lying in wait to get the glyphs from whoever showed up at winner island, which he did. capturing law would have just been a cherry on top

[warm sierra]

if? It already happened for sure

[latent hamlet]

hell they captured koby as part of that pirate nation plan
kuzan was like "he's part of sword, plan's useless"
and teach is like
"lol fuck it, they still probably care"

[pulsar timber]

I sure hope not

[grand flower]

He wanted a battleship to sail on after Marineford cause San Juan crushed their raft

[thick mango]

well clearly they made it out of marineford

[grand flower]

the objective was get a battleship

[glacial bear]

Caribou gotta die I can’t lie

[grand flower]

they were on another island

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-augur-augur-one-piece-van-augur-gif-9915801718260186594

[rugged ore]

I mean he knows Poseidon but I think that's it

[warm sierra]

strawhats directly post TS were so careless ngl

[thick mango]

no the battleship was a means to esacpe, which was accomplished. Youre focusing too much on the little details and not the big picture. The little details often fail but the big picture succeeds

[leaden rivet]

I don’t mind Blackbeard having the ancient weapons but I don’t like how Caribou happened to be a super fan that knew exactly where they are and happened to be there at that moment to tell them

But yes fate and such

[rugged ore]

Which might be an impetus for a fight with BB if they kidnap shirahoshi

[grand flower]

Caribou was lying

Caribou said that exact same thing to the Straw Hats multiple times

"I want to be your subordinate"

[glacial bear]

Mhm. I’m iffy on Caribou

[grand flower]

he just needed a way off Egghead

[glacial bear]

Also, would be funny if Cross Guild manage to get to Laugh Tale without any poneglyphs

[pulsar timber]

Anyways I’ve reread up to 1147 of elbaf and I like the presented xenophobia and culture change explored so far. With hajurdin and loki back on the throne I see how xenophobia will be tackled but not so much the culture change. Will they just come to a compromise and train them in battle and school? Or will only the last generation and up continue fighting. I think imu will probably do something really bad to either loki or hajurdin and the other brother will freak out

[grand flower]

Ochoku shares many similar design elements with the brothers Caribou and Coribou, having similar pointed ears, cheekbones, nose, and even facial shape as Caribou while having similar dark lips and circles around his eyes like Coribou. Any relationship between the brothers and Ochoku is yet to be confirmed.
Ochoku's status as a "pirate guru" (海賊教祖, kaizoku kyōso?) is also rather similar to Caribou's own belief in God.[9]

[glacial bear]

Far as I’m aware. They’re the only Yonko crew that has none, right?

[grand flower]

This is the guy who betrayed Blackbeard's father

Then Blackbeard killed him

[rugged ore]

Does he know where pluton is? Idk if he was listening.

[grand flower]

Now on top of the fact that Caribou has told this lie before

Why do we believe him again?

Caribou's first mention of looking for "that certain someone" also included wanting to give them treasure

what treasure does caribou have that's gonna matter to someone with the wealth of an emperor?

Caribou has zero reason to trust him and his story isn't adding up

[ornate tartan]

do yall agree that the true purpose of the ancient weapons and the reason that they were preserved is to be used as tools to reshape the planet after it is eventually destroyed as the mural says

[leaden rivet]

I won’t allow you to hurt him….hes my brother

[stone tulip]

Yeah no way Oda would do that at all

[glacial bear]

Would be funny if that someone is Buggy the clown

[pulsar timber]

Themes. And such.

[grand flower]

I think they're cultivation tools

The great kingdom originated from Birka

[pulsar timber]

No

[grand flower]

The one on the moon

[warm sierra]

Caribou needed to get out of egghead, his admiration for BB might have been a lie but I dont see why he wouldnt be spilling the secrets now

[grand flower]

I think the ancient weapons were used to harvest resources from the blue planet

[grand flower]

I think the person Caribou is looking for is Dragon, but he doesn't know that it's Dragon

[pulsar timber]

Well I don’t know. I don’t believe so because at least two of them are apparently disgustingly destructive

[glacial bear]

I was surprised one of the ancient weapons is a living mermaid

[grand flower]

What does a bobcat or a tiller do the ground?

[ornate tartan]

poseidon is potentially the most destructive of the 3

[rugged ore]

Well I imagine that oda is going for a Noah/great flood story and the ARK/Poseidon and maybe pluton will be useful for saving people when they destroy the red line

[glacial bear]

I always thought it was going to be a machine or something

[ornate tartan]

if it’s powers is used maliciously which it won’t

[grand flower]

You can't harvest resources from the planet without penetrating it

Now, I think the thing Uranus used is a tool for harvesting water

[trim lily]

me using my island destroying super weapon for purely agricultural and peaceful purposes

though i do dig the idea, i remember floating it around a few years back

[rugged ore]

That's what she said

[glacial bear]

I agree. Imu seems to fear it as well. He appears to deeply hate Poseidon

[grand flower]

I think it sends the area struck somewhere else and that's why theres that bottomless hole there

[pulsar timber]

Why would you built island wiping capabilities int your farming tool

[grand flower]

The hole never fills because the water enters whatever distortion that sends it elswhere

[distant vine]

Damn thats a good first appearance...

[leaden rivet]

Best OP arc for a reason

[grand flower]

huh?

[blazing glen]

So what are your guys thoughts on what the purpose of Noah is?

[thick mango]

i dont think it can be this right? This would cause the sea levels to steadily fall, not rise

[pulsar timber]

“You’re a minnow” - monkey d Luffy

[rugged ore]

Could have captured shirahoshi at reverie tho

[ornate tartan]

they still need a great energy source to fuel the other two weapons, at least that’s what I think

[glacial bear]

To help people into safety from the flood

[leaden rivet]

Alabasta simply has no flaws

It’s just that good

[grand flower]

The water rises because of earthquakes afterward

[pulsar timber]

Save everyone when the world floods super high

[blazing glen]

Yeah but who? That ship isn't big enough for everyone.

[grand flower]

It could be that Pluton is needed to manage the earthquakes

[pulsar timber]

Just like in the Bible

[trim lily]

probably the same as in the flood myth, saving people from the flood which joyboy anticipated

[atomic thicket]

Yo is imu going to be the final villain or Blackbeard

[trim lily]

both are

[ornate tartan]

ark noah

[atomic thicket]

Hoping Blackbeard gets slimed

[pulsar timber]

Kaido

[glacial bear]

I’d say it definitely is.

[atomic thicket]

Genuinely goofiest villain oat

[pulsar timber]

Kaido will be the final villain

[thick mango]

but if the water were constnatly flowing elsewhere it would be functioning like a drain. Ennies lobby would be steadily draining the ocean

[trim lily]

awesome answer

i welcome the return of dry kaido

[atomic thicket]

In 2020 I lowkey thought he was going to be the final villain

[glacial bear]

I always keep rewatching the spider cafe scene

[ornate tartan]

big mom returning is more plausible

[grand flower]

it might be on a loop

[leaden rivet]

Kaido truther>big mom truther

[atomic thicket]

Bro kaido and big mom better not return

[ornate tartan]

kaido is stronger though

[stone tulip]

I don’t think he will make Usopp gain any power ups physically like that especially with changing sizes

[atomic thicket]

Their boats have sailed

[trim lily]

kaido returning is infinitely funnier because at least big mom returning could have some purpose

[glacial bear]

YESSS

DRY DRAGON KAIDO

[atomic thicket]

Oda doing tm w these fake out deaths

[pulsar timber]

Kaido is kaido, not the horse doc q rides

[grand flower]

I think it'd be a good reward for him at the conclusion of his arc

[thick mango]

what do you think the fake out death to real death ratio in elbaf will be?

[trim lily]

gaban

oh

[atomic thicket]

8:1

[leaden rivet]

Hajrudin’s getting a fake out some where

[trim lily]

i dont think we'll actually have many

[pulsar timber]

Nami will die

[rugged ore]

There's a small chance he gets a random df power but idk if he'd even eat it considering he's such a wuss

[glacial bear]

We talking about deaths? I don’t see Gaban and definitely not Hajrudin dying

[pulsar timber]

Remember when people thought ange was a traitor

[trim lily]

everyone was a traitor

ange, biblo, jarul

[glacial bear]

I CAN see Dorry & Brogy or Jarul dying. That’s possible

[ornate tartan]

no deaths or only 1- jarul
no more then 2 fake outs

[leaden rivet]

Hajrudin clearly isn’t dying but Gaban dying isn’t ridiculous

I support his death

[stone tulip]

Nah no way Oda would do that cause he insists on Usopp being the weakest and the most normal guy in the story.

[trim lily]

heres how jarul traitor can still happen:

[rugged ore]

Nami too voluptuous to die

[pulsar timber]

Old people don’t die in one piece unless they have cancer

[leaden rivet]

The Owl don’t forget about the Owl

[rugged ore]

So imu confirmed dying

[distant vine]

That's a child Nami just hit. And she takes care of kids? 🤨

[rugged ore]

Bro def has cancer

[grand flower]

I still think Jarul is Shaggy

[trim lily]

ange being the traitor is easily the funniest cause there was literally no explanation for it other than people didnt like her

[glacial bear]

For me I don’t see it cause Gaban did tell the straw hats to seek him out if Elbaph is still safe after this. I wonder what he wanted to show them

[leaden rivet]

Nami beats children

[stone tulip]

Technically what happened to the giant demons could be counted as fake out deaths in a way.

[warm sierra]

but when Rocks does it its wrong

[grand flower]

she wasn't conventionally attractive

[trim lily]

yeah meant that

[grand flower]

I think that got popular because of that creator Syv

Which is funny

[glacial bear]

The thumbnails kept cracking me up 😂

[leaden rivet]

I miss the mosa theories

[grand flower]

I love that clip of him and Brago figuring Gunko would be the weakest knight because "she's a woman and this is Oda"

[glacial bear]

He keeps doubling down on it too lmao

[grand flower]

Love seeing projection age like milk

[distant vine]

All Chopper did was have a loaf of bread in his mouth too lmao

[ornate tartan]

scopper isn’t dying

[grand flower]

This could be a death flag tbh

Elbaph is intact but he's dead

The irony

[leaden rivet]

Pre timeskip Nami has such a huge head

[glacial bear]

It’s possible Gaban travels with the man marked by flames

[pulsar timber]

Because her neck is so small

[glacial bear]

Gaban is a navigator after all

[grand flower]

who do you think it is

[red lagoon]

I mean he did say If

[sick dust]

No one is dying

Oda doesn’t the balls

[rugged ore]

I forgot this. Bro knows the final poneglyph

[pulsar timber]

I kinda hope it’s urouge I don’t know where else he fits in the story

[red lagoon]

Shi might not be standing fr at the end

[glacial bear]

Hmm. Honestly an entire new character we haven’t met yet. Someone not present in any flashback

[leaden rivet]

But her design was still perfect nonetheless

[pulsar timber]

I hope it’s someone new too

[warm sierra]

maybe people are also just uncreative that they cant think of an Imu W that doesnt involve deaths

[leaden rivet]

Even if her ears are below her mouth

[rugged ore]

Oda forgot about urouge

[pulsar timber]

Why didn’t they just let Emily Rudd act in her normal hair. The wig looked awful

Unless she didn’t want to

[glacial bear]

I miss that version of Nami

Short hair Nami the best

[warm sierra]

trying to make anime looks work when thats clearly not how real life works

[red lagoon]

Why did u just say this

Now I can’t unsee it

Bro wtf

Nigga her ears are mouth level

[glacial bear]

LMAO

[blazing glen]

That was literally all of them pre timeskip

[pulsar timber]

They have my-ears-are-mouth-level syndrome

[red lagoon]

Only read the manga after ts

[pulsar timber]

I skipped every other arc

[red lagoon]

Nvm it’s in the anime
Too

Omg

Now I’m never finna look at them the same

[rugged ore]

True

[red lagoon]

How am I just noticing this after all this time

[blazing glen]

The craziest part is that they also did it to Brook.

Except he has no ears YOHOHOHOHOHO

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭

[leaden rivet]

I’m a little upset that this actually made me laugh

[twin thicket]

I want to see how Loki fell in love with Lola

[rugged ore]

Btw...what if the "human human fruit" is the natural enemy to the "devil fruit"

[thick mango]

i honestly am expecting the lola stuff to just get dropped at this point

it just seems so small compared to everything else involved with loki

[rugged ore]

Literally

Bro is ginormous

[pulsar timber]

I have bad news for you

[leaden rivet]

I’m surprised all these high budget shows with millions of dollars in everything always fuck up the wigs

Like why are wigs so hard to do right

[rugged ore]

It will probably be in an sbs

[thick mango]

I could see that

[twin thicket]

Knowing who Loki is now, it just seems so bizarre

[thick mango]

how long ago was that hook? Thriller bark? Times change

[twin thicket]

Indeed

[thick mango]

its not at all hard to believe the plan might have changed in the past SEVENTEEN years

[grand flower]

i think that might be the most popular theory atm

[thick mango]

i think its wg based

[verbal tiger]

I can see why Loki fell for Lola

[thick mango]

i take shiryu at the value of his speculation

[verbal tiger]

Her down to earth personality must remind him of his mother

[warm sierra]

I mean it did come up again later on when we got more BM stuff

[verbal tiger]

Dare to dream

Dare to go against her mother

[thick mango]

even that was 8-10 years ago

[verbal tiger]

The kind of person Loki wanted to be

[twin thicket]

I see the vision now

[verbal tiger]

Loki mistook envy for love. Rookie mistake

Envy and respect

[thick mango]

Unless something like vivi capture, no amount of WG evil is gonna dissuade luffy from his OP quest. So having the MMBF be WG is a convenient way to tie the threads together

if luffy was just gonna be morally repulused by the evil and fight them for that reason alone, he woulda turned around in egghead, he didnt

[warm sierra]

Loki keeping a low profile according to Imu but then also going to WCI and getting into some marriage is questionable

[verbal tiger]

Luffy is evil

Actually Luffy is worse than evil. He's...

Stupid.

[solid stone]

it just ocurred to me that they didn't make a lego laboon set.....

that would've been perfect

[indigo yacht]

wtf?? Actually unpurchaseable

[solid stone]

taking matters into my own hands......

[verbal tiger]

When someone is evil, you can deal with them. You can predict their moves if you understand their motives. Their actions are logical or traceable.
When someone is stupid, all the rules of life you've learned goes out the window. You don't know what works and what don't.

[solid stone]

on another note, it feels weird seeing OP treated as a big western series via the live action lol

was not expecting a LEGO LA spin-off

[verbal tiger]

You cannot intimidate Luffy with titles or history or consequences or even hostages. You can't even intimidate him with lethal poison

[indigo yacht]

That’s what I like about Luffy ngl because to him all of that stuff is meaningless. The only thing with meaning is the now

[verbal tiger]

Kid may look crazy but he's just headstrong. He knows the rules and challenges them. You know what direction he's coming from.

[dapper tree]

Yeah, him attacking civilians was just him being headstrong

[glacial bear]

That and a whisky peak set would’ve been so good

[verbal tiger]

Nothing has meaning. Luffy chased Crocodile across the whole country and died 3 times and Crocodile still didn't know wtf Luffy wants until he asked him. Neither did we.

[glacial bear]

I’m a bit upset we don’t have a Miss Valentine and Mr 5 mini-figure

[indigo yacht]

Kid is crazy but he’s stupid

Luffy is stupid but he’s not crazy

Does that make sense?

[dapper tree]

Yes

[indigo yacht]

Actually nvm I just remembered Luffy jumping off zunesha

[solid stone]

this!!

[verbal tiger]

How do you negotiate with an idiot when you don't even know what he wants or how he wants to get it

[iron oriole]

Luffy is definitely crazy

[solid stone]

i want a full baroque works collection

[indigo yacht]

Calculated risks but he’s bad at math

[graceful grove]

Both are stupid and crazy. Kid is a little more arrogant xd

[glacial bear]

YESSSS

[verbal tiger]

Full baroque works collection including the random baseball girl that never appeared in manga

[solid stone]

true!

throw in miss thursday!

[pulsar timber]

Kid is just not as lucky. And his personality doesn’t make connections that would otherwise save him from the situations he puts himself in

But to be fair his journey has likely not even been half as crazy as luffys

[solid stone]

i actually love that these mentioned-only concepts are getting revisited because of the LA

[verbal tiger]

He's a kid

[pulsar timber]

If you take a look at luffys journey you realize how crazy he is and looks

[solid stone]

Kid should start a band post-war

[verbal tiger]

Miss thursday was never mentioned. Even smoker didn't bring her up when interrogating mr 11

[graceful grove]

Both acts like the mc but only one has the plot armor that comes with it

[iron oriole]

Like... Luffy hears a trains whistle & says ooh lets go & grabs all his friends & then jumps off a building to what would be their deaths if the train doesn't make it in time etc

[solid stone]

I believe she was only on a BW members list, forgot if that was actually in-manga or in an SBS

[verbal tiger]

Luffy: -picks up a book-
Strawhats: -heartrate increases-

[solid stone]

kind of want LA to get to Sabaody just so they can give him a punk theme since Toei didn't do that

[pulsar timber]

We have a lot of flashbacks left. A lot of content

[graceful grove]

Im surprised they didn’t jump him immediately considering the type of df imposter powers that exist

[pulsar timber]

Elbaf funny moments #7

[solid stone]

i'd prefer if it's left alone but i am kiinda curious about the further backstory oda had in mind for nami

[dapper tree]

Jarul has all the best jokes

[warm sierra]

Usopps biggest strength feat

[solid stone]

we love jarul

[graceful grove]

Imu has to pull out that sword and put him down

[teal hill]

hi

[solid stone]

maybe imu will pull the giant sword from onigashima

howdy

[teal hill]

ive come from #manga

[verbal tiger]

Usopp unlocked skywalk and nobody bats an eye

[solid stone]

welcome dear neighbor

[teal hill]

hows it feel to be part of #also-manga

[solid stone]

it's like being a part of a channel

but it's also a channel

[teal hill]

i understand completely

[dapper tree]

It's better

[verbal tiger]

Usopp just jumped 10 stories high to twap jarul

[solid stone]

i also understand completely

[teal hill]

no cooldowns here

wow

it feels so free

[solid stone]

there's also no cooldowns, yes

[graceful grove]

This place is only big enough for 2 sanji fans

Lets get u back to manga

[teal hill]

whos the other

[solid stone]

actually san means 3

[verbal tiger]

It's big enough for 3

[solid stone]

yeah we can have 3

[verbal tiger]

3ji

[graceful grove]

Spice and shuron

[thick mango]

its lonely at the top of the objectively best fandom

[solid stone]

is buri still here

[teal hill]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-chopper-tony-chopper-tony-tony-chopper-chopper-one-piece-gif-21849901

[verbal tiger]

The game of thrones fandom?

[thick mango]

[graceful grove]

Ew

[teal hill]

what if sanji ate the chef chef no mi and became a chef again

i guess it didnt hit

[thick mango]

we did miss a golden opportunity for sanji to defeat strussen and take his fruit

did they even interact?

[dapper tree]

No

[thick mango]

thats a waste

[twin thicket]

loremasters, does the lightning in 1166 have any significance?

[teal hill]

strussen was the guy in wholecake right?

[thick mango]

im also disappointed franky didnt talk to vegapunk about responsibility for your creations since that was his fuckin backstory and an issue at the heart of vp's work that is never properly confronted

[grand flower]

Streussen’s fruit makes food that tastes bad

[thick mango]

and rocks pirates

[solid stone]

The Mythical DF
Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Jon Favreau

[graceful grove]

But at least we got 20 eps of BM yelling wedding cake

[solid stone]

yep, anything he cuts turns into food

[thick mango]

maybe hes just bad at it

[teal hill]

yooo if sanji had that fruit..

[glacial bear]

Someone made a crack theory that Luffy is actually Roger

[grand flower]

They say it’s what the fruit itself does

[teal hill]

im not interested in such fake mythologies.

[iron oriole]

So its just Luffy = Joyboy but renamed

[thick mango]

well strussen is their example right

[grand flower]

Vegapunk regretted his creations?

[thick mango]

no thats the missed confrontation

[grand flower]

Sigh

[teal hill]

what fruits did vegapunk make

[indigo yacht]

The food the fruit makes tastes bad

[solid stone]

but Sanji will make it taste gourmet 🔥

[grand flower]

I’m confused you’re saying Oda should have made Vegapunk regretful?

[teal hill]

einstein*

[indigo yacht]

I don’t think sanji can save it 🙁 streussen is a chef too

[thick mango]

vegapunk should have been confronted for his attempt to create biological slaves in the seraphim yes

[solid stone]

i believe in sanji.....

[thick mango]

the fact that they can overcome it doesnt mean it wasnt his intention

[graceful grove]

Streussen is a british chef. He is yet to discover seasoning

[teal hill]

what if the one piece is just ingredients to cook and thats why luffy said i needyou to become king of the pirates?!?!

[grand flower]

Oh we’re probably gonna get the reveal that he did that to bring the Lunarian and Buccaneer back from extinction

Also PX-0 responds to Dragon so probably with that reveal that VP always planned for Dragon to free them

PX-0 responding to a command from Dragon is what really brings it together

[graceful grove]

Luffy need sanji because he is a fatass

[thick mango]

even if these things pan out i dont think that means he should not have been confronted in the moment when he talks about the command heirarchy

[small ember]

Yeah we already know that the WG saw his attempts to resurrect them and said “that’s awesome make them slaves for us”

[teal hill]

luffy weighs 68 pounds or something

[grand flower]

Maybe but the SHs are just pirates so it wouldn’t be them

[graceful grove]

Its the god fruit thats helping him

[grand flower]

Plus VP doesnt treat them badly

[grand flower]

Most of the SHs have been fighting since childhood themselves

They may not be the most appropriately conditioned to see what’s wrong with the Seraphim

[small ember]

Streusen putting beans on toast rn

[iron oriole]

Fully cloned the Uo Uo no mi, cloned the Mero Mero, Nikyu Nikyu, Sui Sui & Supa Supa via green blood (more to come from the other Seraphim too) & replicated parts of Kizaru's fruit to make the lasers of the Pacifista

[thick mango]

i think jinbe should have had a problem with it

he pushes back on the internet but not the genetic slaves?

[graceful grove]

This must be a redacted image from the files

[grand flower]

I wonder when we’ll see the Seraphim again

[iron oriole]

Hopefully the S-Croc group is en route to Emptee Bluffs

[graceful grove]

Hope no one is there

[iron oriole]

While quelling uprisings along the way

[graceful grove]

Seraphims was a big miss

[teal hill]

holy shit

[verbal tiger]

Sanji with cheese cheese fruit

[blazing glen]

I wonder who has the time travel fruit now

[glacial bear]

Ooo COOK

[blazing glen]

20 years after Toki's death and no mention of time travel fruit seems sus.

[odd rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/crying-one-piece

[thick mango]

hopefully the next user sent it thousands of years in the future so it doesnt come up again and even doesnt come up in two piece

[blazing glen]

Also Joy Boy disappeared, and Toki supposedly fled from 800+ years ago. Wonder if there's a connection there.

[iron oriole]

The next user didn't know how to use it & jumped into the grim darkness of the far future

[brittle basin]

someone ate toki's fruit and fucked up and jumped 750 years into the future but it's actually just another dystopia

[thick mango]

Yes oda deposit that fruit at the end of time for good please

[pulsar path]

Mr ,3 is basically sommers character wise in like garden

[quiet ice]

Hello zyph

[solid stone]

was hoping to summon you

hi wanze

[grand flower]

Right?

Man Yall act so scared of time travel and idk why

[odd rune]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[blazing glen]

Because time travel is seen as an extremely lazy trope for stories to explain plotholes.

Similar to the "but it was all a dream" stories

[frail kindle]

potholes

[twin thicket]

Oda would never tarnish One Piece with backwards time travel

[blazing glen]

Fuck my phone lmao

[grand flower]

I don’t believe any person who says Theyve never read a good story with time travel

Or never enjoyed a story with time travel

It’s so lame watching the community devolve any time it comes up

[frail kindle]

I can enjoy a story but hate the paradoxes it creates in universe

[grand flower]

Paradoxes are the entire appeal

[frail kindle]

not for me

[grand flower]

A lot like death, we created stories about time to cope with our inabilities to control it

Or fully understand it

[frail kindle]

time travel paradoxes make my brain itch

[twin thicket]

they are generally unpleasant

[grand flower]

We understand time enough to recognize paradoxes but will never understand time enough to solve them

[red lagoon]

I just think it makes a lot of unanswered shit a lot of the time

[grand flower]

That’s a shame

[blazing glen]

Well a lot of people seem to like the time island theory

And there was mention in the story of "but it was not the right time" or something when the Roger pirates talk about it if I recall correctly

[grand flower]

Rayleigh said they were too early

So far we know that’s becausw the mermaid princess wasn’t born yet

[blazing glen]

Yeah, so time travel could absolutely be it and what they laughed at was a note by Joy Boy

[grand flower]

Who knows if there’s more to it

[thick mango]

I guess I just don't see a good way to do it without undermining the present

Could very well be a failure of imagination

[grand flower]

What do you mean

[red lagoon]

Time travelling needs a lot of set rules and to be thought out fully

[grand flower]

By undermine the present

[grand flower]

You only need to make it a closed time loop if you’re not doing multiverse

[balmy field]

yo 💔

[frail kindle]

what

[thick mango]

I don't want to subordinate the present to the direct impacts of the past and I also don't want it to be primarily a launch pad to the future

[balmy field]

yo

[grand flower]

A closed time loop also complements the theme that Theres nothing you can do about the past

[balmy field]

💔

[grand flower]

I don’t understand

[red lagoon]

Man just me personally in op I just hope toki was the only time time travelling will happen

[frail kindle]

see I don't mind time travel to the future, that can't create paradoxes

[grand flower]

I hope Oda does a bootstrap paradox

Theyre fun to think about

[frail kindle]

its the going back in time that makes it dumb to me

[grand flower]

you’ve never fucked with any story that involves going back in time?

[thick mango]

I think it should be the case that the most important characters, conflicts, relationships, etc are outside the present context we've become invested in

[grand flower]

What makes that so important

[frail kindle]

like I said, I can enjoy a story that involves going back in time, but that doesn't mean that the paradoxes it creates don't bother me

[latent hamlet]

i think travel to the past causes for basically undoing a lot of stuff, and then needing to put in your own rules for the ramifications of the present

[grand flower]

I just dunno what people get so squirmy about if you know you’ve also already enjoyed stories about it

[latent hamlet]

at least future is more like "this is now 1 path way, the knowledge u gained will make u avoid this path"

[grand flower]

I think Oda can simply just do a closed loop

[thick mango]

I mean there's nothing objective I'm just stating a preference but I do not think I would like it if the things I've become invested in over a thousand plus chapters get overshadowed by a tiny little slice of the past

Time is fine if it's the main thing

[latent hamlet]

does oda even know what closed loop is

[red lagoon]

Explain to ODA what is a closed loop

[grand flower]

Where I’m lost is what you mean by overshadowed by a tiny slice of the past

[blazing glen]

Yeah, he made the grand line

[red lagoon]

If u time travel to the past won’t that just change the whole future

[latent hamlet]

depends

[red lagoon]

Man I watched the flash ima expert at ts trust

[latent hamlet]

closed loop past travel wont change the present/future

[red lagoon]

So what’s the point of it I don’t get it

[thick mango]

You'd have to go into an example for me to say I think. I dunno what you're specifically referring to but if we're dealing with past travel changing the present the present can literally be unwritten. If we go to the future, it means there's something in the future so much more important than the present we can leave the present behind

[red lagoon]

Just going back to see?

[pulsar timber]

A loop or paradox of any kind would kill any investment I have

[latent hamlet]

im not the best at explaining it but closed loop means the past is fixed and u cannot change the past, because u traveling to the past to try and fix it is already a part of history

[grand flower]

Not if you do it this way

[leaden rivet]

Time travel is one of the hardest things to do right in fiction

It makes or breaks a story a lot of times

[red lagoon]

I just prefer against it

[cunning jacinth]

closed-loop time travel would work in an entirely deterministic universe but otherwise it would be just as paradoxical as any other travel to the past tbh

[cunning jacinth]

yup but specifically time travel to the past

[latent hamlet]

ye its still a jank ass time paradox

[cunning jacinth]

when it's to the future only like with Toki's fruit it's 100% fine imo

[pulsar timber]

Doesn’t fit the story one piece is telling in my opinion. Would feel out of place for this story to be a paradox or stuck in a loop

[grand flower]

Well yeah a closed time loop fixes all this. The present we know of happened because of the time travel happening

[pulsar timber]

Tokis fruit is super safe because Oda doesn’t want to fuck things up

[red lagoon]

Then that means everything was set In stone

[latent hamlet]

cuz toki traveled to the future right?

[red lagoon]

Yee

[thick mango]

That's what I dislike. It subordinates the events of the present to their causes in the past

[latent hamlet]

ye cuz unless Toki was supposed to do something important in her present, her time traveling to the future doesnt really...affect anything

[blazing glen]

Weird how you think it's out of place when the entire story so far has been centralized around people and ideas from 800 years ago

[cunning jacinth]

closed loop travel would also imply that the world is completely deterministic

[latent hamlet]

in her present, she would have simply disappeared and then reappeared years later

[cunning jacinth]

which im fine with but others might not be i guess

[grand flower]

Paradox stories like this are written to play with our human sensibilities regarding time.

We understand enough about time to come up with paradoxes, but solving them is beyond our understanding. It’s the same as people writing stories about death or mythologizing weather phenomena

We cope with what we can’t fully control or understand by capturing it in storytelling

[pulsar timber]

? Confused how the events of 800 years ago shaping the world are supposed to make me feel that the story being a paradox/loop is actually fine and perfectly in line with one piece

[grand flower]

The fact that we understand time enough to conceptualize of a closed loop but can't explain how a loop like that could exist is the entire appeal

[grand flower]

After Marineford Jamesbei brings up that you can't change the past

All you can do is move forward

[cunning jacinth]

those other phenomena don't come with inherent paradoxes like time travel to the past does

[grand flower]

that's what closed time loops are about

[grand flower]

i don't see the paradoxes as a problem, they're a narrative appeal

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/trungroi2/status/2041577761165263053?s=46

有害無罪 (@trungroi2)

imu x lily wip

X · Apr 7, 2026, 6:04 PM

[cunning jacinth]

ig it's a matter of perspective. to me they're plot holes the same as any other kind of inconsistency

[grand flower]

Nothing says "you can't change the past" like having the chance to literally go the past and interact with it and then returning to find the present completely unchanged because you caused the present you left in the first place

[ornate tartan]

how many characters they drew imu w in the span of 4 days😂😂

[cunning jacinth]

where did the idea of characters traveling to the past even come from 😭

[grand flower]

I first thought of it because of what Roger and Rayleigh say in the Wano flashback

[pulsar timber]

Time travel theories appear in a lot of fandoms

[grand flower]

Rayleigh said they were too early

[red lagoon]

Time travel is in op too since toki had the fruit

[pulsar timber]

Very strict time travel

[cunning jacinth]

the whole point of Nika is to bring liberation to the current world, not go back and retcon it out of existence

[red lagoon]

Just goin back in time hasn’t been said to Be possible

[grand flower]

So I got to thinking, what if Roger meant he wishes he was born in the future when he said he wished he was born in Joy Boy's time

[grand flower]

Nobody said anything about retconning the current world out of existence

My proposal is that if Oda includes backward time travel, it'll be a stable closed loop

The act of time traveling causes the future you time traveled from to occur

[thick mango]

Why is that better than the face value he wishes he was born in the past? What is added other than complexity and unexpectedness

[grand flower]

The appeal of stories like this is we're unable to answer what reality looked like "before" the loop

The idea of how the loop "first" started can't be answered

The implication that the loop has always existed has appeal for the same reason the idea of "outside" the expanding universe has appeal

[red lagoon]

Fuck a loop I just want to see bb slime out shanks

[grand flower]

The same reason "what did the universe look like before the big bang"

[thick mango]

Soon

[grand flower]

Or "where did the material in the big bang come from" have appeal

We can't answer these questions

[cunning jacinth]

idk i still think stable loops of that nature are only possible in a deterministic (or i guess fatalistic) universe

[pulsar timber]

I don’t don’t find that appealing in one piece

[grand flower]

I think you can do something with that. Like I've said multiple times now, it complements what Jamesbei said about not being able to change the past and only being able to move forward

Also having that deterministic element of "we went to the past and just caused the present" just makes it more satisfying when Luffy's idealism and optimism wins out in the present day

[pulsar timber]

It also ruins any emotional attachment or immersion I have in this storu

[grand flower]

I don't see why

Yall have some strange attachments to this trope

I don't understand why someone traveling back in time would immediately ruin all emotional investment you had, that's such a dramatic thing to say

[cunning jacinth]

meh i still enjoy stories with backwards time travel but i would strongly prefer if it didn't happen in One Piece

so i'd still enjoy One Piece but it would be a pretty silly move for Oda to do that imo

[grand flower]

Complexity and unexpectedness are good enough on their own

[pulsar timber]

Knowing all these events have been caused by luffy(?) or whoever in the future, affecting the past will disconnect me on rereads

[grand flower]

I already explained the general appeal of paradoxes too

[grand flower]

could you elaborate on that?

[blazing glen]

It's the same reason why people were really gung ho about one piece before it was revealed the gum gum fruit is actually a god fruit and Luffy is also a destined/prophecized person instead of just being the funny rubber dude who tries hard.

[thick mango]

Maybe this is the foundational thing, for me they need to justify themselves they're not inherently positive on their own

[balmy field]

los pollos hermanoes

[cunning jacinth]

you explained why the appeal to you. whereas i (and i guess others) see them as plot holes

[grand flower]

paradoxes aren't inherently plot holes

A closed loop fixes pretty much every plot hole related problem you could have

[cunning jacinth]

any logical inconsistency is a plot hole to me

[grand flower]

paradoxes aren't logical inconsistencies though

paradoxes are things that appear as though they should be illogical, but aren't

"nobody will be driving this weekend because it's bound to be traffic" is a minor example

[cunning jacinth]

i don't think that's what a paradox is lol

[blazing glen]

The One Piece is actually Shank's arm that got bitten off

[cunning jacinth]

at best you could maybe say that paradoxes can be logically consistent under scrutiny, but they can definitely be logically inconsistent too

[pulsar timber]

I’m invested in the journey an growth of the characters so When I reread with the understanding that the events im reading are caused/affected by Luffy/someone and that they have been trying to change th past, I’d feel immediately disconnected. The idea of the timeloop and how everything fits in would dominate my thoughts and I’d just be left not caring.

[grand flower]

paradox is a statement, proposition, or situation that seems to contradict itself or defy common sense, yet upon reflection, it may hold a deeper truth or reveal a logical puzzle. It often involves contradictory elements that, despite seeming mutually exclusive, are interconnected.

[grand flower]

I don't see why the concept of Luffy going back in time would make you emotionally disconnected from soemthing like Arlong Park or Wano

[cunning jacinth]

and again, the problem with closed-loop time travel is that it would essentially confirm that the future is as set-in-stone as the past is. personally i wouldn't mind that too much but i could understand if many others do, considering that One Piece is a journey about following your dreams

[grand flower]

what's the problem with the future being set in stone

that's kinda the premise of the story

things like zoro will beat mihawk

luffy will claim the OP

[alpine trench]

One Piece

That’s it

Bye

[grand flower]

the SH dreams already make the future being set in stone baked into the formula

[cunning jacinth]

it's just the determinism vs free will conundrum all over again. personally i believe that they are mutually inclusive, but many consider them mutually exclusive and would see an issue with an inherently deterministic narrative

[blazing glen]

Blackbeard could actually claim the one piece, thinking about it

[grand flower]

The repeated "no matter what, it WILL be Luffy" is the sentiment of an unavoidable future

What Whitebeard said in Marineford communicates an unavoidable future

[cunning jacinth]

that isn't set in stone in universe. we as readers know that Zoro will beat Mihawk, but it isn't metaphysically set in stone within the world of One Piece

[grand flower]

Imu told the Elders in this latest chapter that this confrontation in Elbaph was inevitable

[pulsar timber]

Because I know the events of the story either are a result of or is going to end up with Luffy going back and trying to change the past. I don’t like this trope at all unless the main thing of the story is time travel, which is not the case for one piece

[grand flower]

The idea of the future being inevitable is something we've already accepted

The closed loop wouldn't be introducing anything new in that regard

[grand flower]

Sure but the characters talk about plenty of things that are

[verbal tiger]

The idea of the future being iron man

[grand flower]

Whitebeard talks about how someone WILL claim the OP

There WILL be a final war

Roger, WB, Rayleigh, Rocks

[verbal tiger]

Infinity war

[grand flower]

They all talk in terms of "it will, I will, they will"

Even Imu does that

[verbal tiger]

PIRATES~ assemble

[cunning jacinth]

that isn't a statement of unchangeable metaphysical truth, just a proclamation to inspire hope

[grand flower]

But nobody said Luffy has to be going back specifically in an attempt to change the past. Luffy doesn't need to even know he's in the past until the ending

[cunning jacinth]

it's the same as Naruto repeating that he will become Hokage one day

sorry other series xd

but yeah

[grand flower]

What it accomplishes narratively is the same

It tells us as the reader that there are events in the story that will happen because, in-universe, fate deemed they would happen

[cunning jacinth]

i can't agree with that. there's nothing in-universe pre-ordaining that certain events will happen

[grand flower]

Toki's prophecy also puts the idea of the future being inevitable front and center

Oden tells Kaido and Orochi what WILL happen in the future

Then there's the prophecy that Loki would kill Harald, which came to pass

And there's Sharley's prophecy of FMI being destroyed

[grand flower]

These characters consistently speak of the future as an inevitably even beyond their own hands

Dragon quoting Roger in chapter 100 sells it

"These things WILL come to pass"

This isn't just hope, these characters firmly believe these things are unavoidable

We as the audience know they're right because Oda will write the story to validate them

But that means we have accepted that when it comes to OP, the future is laced with inevitabilities

The characters in universe attribute this to fate

[cunning jacinth]

many many works of fantasy have fate or prophecy as a theme. yet most of them don't have anything as extreme as closed-loop time travel to reinforce that theme

[grand flower]

idc about that

OP will stand out among them

time travel isn't necessary for this theme

it's just a fun way to do it

[cunning jacinth]

you might think that there's no issue with it, and to an extent i agree, but a lot of people will find issue with it

[grand flower]

i think they're jumping the gun

a lot of people find issues with perfectly fine writing all the time

[blazing glen]

Just like Kin'emon and Momo and gang jumped 20 years into the future AYOOOo

[grand flower]

exactly like that

[glacial bear]

Honestly would be cool if the final war was intergalactic

[grand flower]

i bet imu is from outer space

[blazing glen]

Why else would they be called lunarians?

[hot cairn]

idk

[cunning jacinth]

noooo that would be worse than the time travel idea what the heck

[blazing glen]

No. Think about it. The SBS reveals that space pirates exist, therefore Luffy needs to conquer space to become the true King of the Pirates

[glacial bear]

Enel will start the space wars

[cunning jacinth]

would it end with Luffy and Goku teaming up to fight the TTGL thingy

[blazing glen]

How effective is lightning in space?

[honest garden]

Not at all

[sly belfry]

Very much

[grand flower]

big clue the moon has an atmosphere

[desert nest]

Imagine we have to deal with a whole civilization of imus

[glacial bear]

Yesss

[blazing glen]

Imagine that Imu is just going to be essentially what Kaguya is to Naruto

[ornate tartan]

bring it on

[plucky plover]

Anyone else wanna make their own One Piece Bingo Card to see how the next 7 chapters go? https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1491152862036623360

[keen falcon]

The last chapter of one piece just says

PART 1: BLUE PLANET SAGA: END

[cloud ember]

#memes

pfunny tho lol

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-the-aura-aura-meme-aura-farming-feels-the-aura-meme-gif-8288143849566529885

[glass plume]

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Gonna be a while before I've had enough of this design

X · Apr 8, 2026, 12:17 AM

[quiet ice]

Scans 🥀

[fast pagoda]

https://x.com/ambienzz3/status/2041709284342354375?s=46

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Who the fuck said I “erased the twink” from Imu???

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X · Apr 8, 2026, 2:46 AM

[odd rune]

@dapper tree

https://tenor.com/view/raeswae-monkey-orangutan-stantwt-stan-twitter-gif-15450537788856429598

[glass plume]

It has become an obsession at this point.

[pulsar path]

Oda getting into conspiracy theories now

Illumanti

[sly wagon]

hmm

[pulsar path]

" illumananti got my mine soul and my body "

Also

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggie-trained-dog-dog-training-dog-carry-gif-12125736216390932776

[pulsar path]

I mean I remember hearing alot of things about Solomon and how he learned to summon the goetia which were the different deity's through out the world and such an trapped deamons with the grimore and everything..

Hmm🤔

Are those devil fruits

Or maybe Daveys had the books before and Imu was a demon that took hold of power from them?

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/no-come-on-1

[quiet ice]

Great vid

[craggy vapor]

best one yet

[pulsar path]

Guys I can't wait to see a different panel of imu cus jessus IV see. Every version of this panel coloring in existence at this point, wish Xebec got this love

[blazing glen]

Xebec isn't as hot, that's the only reason.

[sick dust]

Better die a goat than live as a fraud

[honest garden]

Imu is just more interesting I'm sorry

[sick dust]

Explain

To me he comes off a bland battle shonen villain

[pulsar path]

The theories for xebec week one were infinitely better than what we're getting here

[pulsar path]

No one's ready ready for that convo lmao

[honest garden]

I don't read that sort of thing, but Oda doesn't draw characters like this often

[pulsar path]

I mean isn't he essential Yamato hybrid form

[sick dust]

Xebec within his limited panel time just screamed charisma

And mystery

Even after the flashback ended we still don’t much about the Davy clan

Or how Xebec knew the information that he did

He was definitely the highlight for the flashback to me

[pulsar path]

Yeah they hit like top 5-10 characters

[frozen aspen]

Waiter! Waiter! More water please!

[fluid perch]

guys mangaplus shueisha isn't loading, where to read?

[pulsar path]

I think I may just be fatigued right now of Imu art lol

[pulsar path]

Shounen jump app

[sick dust]

me?Nah I been hatin on Imu day 1

[fluid perch]

is it free? I have to read from ch 1162 to current

I read about 15 chapters in 1 go as it feels more fulfilling

[pulsar path]

It's free for the last three current

[fluid perch]

dang it

I have a 15 backlog

[glass plume]

I'm gonna try to color this

[pulsar path]

Weebcentral maybe

I just wanna see them do something and oda had to take a damn break

[craggy vapor]

what do u talking about? It already is colored

[glass plume]

I mean color it with the colorscheme i use

[sick dust]

as if we haven't had this image colored a thosand times already

[glass plume]

It's fun to color

Though it's kinda sad since we all know that Oda's color scheme is going to be NOTHING like the fan arts.

[pulsar path]

I will say I do enjoy how much people enjoy fan arting it lol

It's going to be like purple pink and green lmaopoo

[glass plume]

As long as their hair stays white, i am satisfied.

[sick dust]

and they'll be the most oversaturated tones you'll ever see

I still couldn't wrap my mind around Gunko having blue hair

I always imagined her as Blonde or light orange

[pulsar path]

The gorsei went from dark and creepy to like whimsiiical lol

[chilly dew]

Imu cursed Lily and trapped her spirit inside Zunesha, waiting for the day she chooses him. In his delusional mind, he believes she eventually will. That’s why he’s targeting Vivi..he plans to use her body as a vessel to bring Lily back.

[sick dust]

it just felt right somehow

[pulsar path]

I hope Imu and Lili are twins

Or they will be Adam or Eve but not in name

[chilly dew]

Interesting

[pulsar path]

I mean tbh

[glass plume]

I'm surprised that the fan arts got Xebec's hair mostly right.

[pulsar path]

Imu probably has the grimore that the 72 fallen angels are in the king Solomon and enocky language thing

[pulsar path]

It could have went anyways tbh

[glass plume]

Yeah, but how did the fans figure out that it was going to be part blue?

[pulsar path]

72 deamons/ angels are the devil fruits

[sick dust]

not a fan of the blue hightlights mixed with white

[pulsar path]

Purly.....buggy lmaon

[glass plume]

Insane.

[pulsar path]

People just wanted so badly for him to be buggy's father

Tbh if oda rearranged the story to fit buggy being xebecs son would the story suffer for it? Just have Roger have both kids join the ship at the same time lmao

Just delete teach

[sick dust]

well Ace wasn't originally going to be Roger's Son

He and Luffy were geuninely gonna be related

[pulsar path]

Tho idk what if summers tried to trade Buggy his own kid for shanks because shamrock was threatening him and they just took buggy from him I mean buggy is blond in stampede

[sick dust]

it has happened before

[glass plume]

I think it would've been a lot cooler than Teach being the son of Xebec.

Teach should've just inherited the will, imo.

[sick dust]

though Oda glazes buggy too much

[pulsar path]

I mean I get it and I feel like Xebec was created for bb plus you know the ships name but I do like buggy better

[sick dust]

I imagine he'll make Buggy another will holder of joyboy

[pulsar path]

Oda doesn't glaze buggy enough!

He better!

He's clownboy!

Watch Buggy be the one to exact revenge for shanks death

If shanks were to be killed the two most upset people would be buggy and Luffy

It could be interesting if we never get to see buggy and shanks fight together to have Luffy and buggy do it in spiritual succession

Sorry I wanna see my boys back together more than the onepeice

[blazing depot]

Oda glazed Buggy enough actually

Appears in the story semi regularly and is now a warlord

[pulsar path]

More

Give me more!

I mean buggy sucked till impel down but he freaking became a favorite in marienford and has been a bigger joy than emperor pilaf

Same voice actor too

Same energy 🤣

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/polonyalii-1

[sick dust]

Ngl I never found Pilaf funny

Buggy was entertaining at least

[pulsar path]

That's crazy

The og team Rocket

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-be-back-brb-dog-water-bottle-balancing-gif-15273205132128893306

[lusty tangle]

Yeah fr broo he is kinda irritating

[static musk]

I like buggy

In impel down

He was funny asf

[formal wagon]

lucci >

[unique lagoon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nami-nami-one-piece-16

[dense haven]

butter did you like imu

[unique lagoon]

too edgy for me

prob the most edgy looking character we have right now

[alpine trench]

bro is the devil incarnated on earth

he's precisely meant to be edgy

like the point of it being devilish

[unique lagoon]

i dont know man one of the best devil design ive seen is this guy

[alpine trench]

lmfao

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/c3po-starwars-jabba-cant-watch-gif-19252097

[alpine trench]

i fucking hate the "the devil is just some guy" type shit ngl

he's meant to be beautiful and otherworldly at the same time

[unique lagoon]

theres beauty in simplicity

[alpine trench]

imu does toe that well

[unique lagoon]

theres just too much going on with imus design

[alpine trench]

and also, he's the precise opposite of luffy in aesthetic

[glass plume]

I 100% agree with Harsh.

You should be able to look at them and know that it's the devil.

[heady smelt]

I've said it countless times here already but for me, Imu's design is just a 4/10

[unique lagoon]

also im not buying imu is THE devil yet

[alpine trench]

what else is required for you to buy it

[heady smelt]

And Imu has that same f***ing belt as Rocks 🤣

[unique lagoon]

im not even sure if this is imus real look

[alpine trench]

it might not be

[unique lagoon]

he did transform after dropping

[alpine trench]

he transformed

[heady smelt]

Goofy Imu > full reveal Imu for me

[alpine trench]

but this is one of his forms

[dense haven]

are you saying peter stormare is not beautiful

[autumn island]

Good film

[dense haven]

its not a good film tho

[alpine trench]

peter stormare is beautiful in an ugly way, great actor though

[autumn island]

I liked it

[rose rune]

I bought it even before the reveal. I've literally called him satan

[dense haven]

but stormare carried the fuck out of it

[alpine trench]

constantine is a fun film

[wise vector]

Guys did Cobra see Imu's full body or is he really a blob with a sort of coat?

[alpine trench]

cobra prob didnt see imu's form like this

this is a different form from what it was in that chapter

[unique lagoon]

most of just just thought imu has a veil so cobra dint see shit

[autumn island]

Would find it hilarious if there’s a boss behind Imu lol

[wise vector]

Sow we're going back to veil imu maybe

[alpine trench]

no

[unique lagoon]

like sabo should have seen imus face if he dint have a veil

dint mention it to dragon tho

[alpine trench]

now that he has been revealed, we'll see that base form too

[wise vector]

I hope the colors are not messed up

[autumn island]

Find it wild he’s being negged by being in the surface world

[unique lagoon]

pray oda is over with his wano coloring craze

[wise vector]

The insect realm stinks to a celestial dragon

[unique lagoon]

basing on garlings coloring maybe not

[autumn island]

Still think that even with that nerf going on he’s too much for everyone there rn

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/ARTekin0/status/2041648660786663928?s=20

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KING OF THE WORLD
SAINT NERONA IMU

X · Apr 7, 2026, 10:45 PM

[wise vector]

He reminds me of griffith

From berserk

[unique lagoon]

i saw this and im like why is bro doing the itachi pose

[glass plume]

They are looming.

Over their victims.

Or well, soon to be victims.

[unique lagoon]

that thing on his back just reminds me of enel

[rose rune]

He's actually standing straight. He just wears wide pants and has short legs

[glass plume]

Thigh, is there anyway to paint so it looks like it's light

without going into filters

Wait nevermind, I figured it out

[heady smelt]

That's exactly what I dislike with this new Imu, his vibes are so "other-series", even the clouds have that "other-series" vibes, and his design as a demon isn't even original like goofy Imu was

[dense haven]

would you prefer a funni chungus or female with massive honkers?

[rose rune]

The worst part is that I'm very fine with both

[craggy vapor]

Your is like an oversaturated OLED version

[glass plume]

Is it?

Hold on I see what you mean...

[hearty shore]

i still feel weirded out about how imu's shadow didn't show the horns

[alpine trench]

he transformed into this form

[glass plume]

It's because it's a different form altogether

[glass plume]

I fixed it.

[glass plume]

Now it's not as saturated.

[native cloud]

Lol