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"the york effect"
yes
remember when people were actually upset they didn't show the straw hats shooting bubbles at the seraphim and punching the shit out of York
I mean, it would've been nice to see a few panels
but oda clearly got bored of that plotline
he did a murder mystery and skipped the actual conclusion of it
should have skipped all of it
i was ok with the skipping, but I know others weren't
sure would’ve been great to see how robin got injured and put out of commission for the entire arc
i don't blame them
oh yeah i’m well aware im in the minority
yea robin being injured offscreen and it affecting her for the whole arc was pretty wack
chimney is great
Yorky will join Luffy cause he has food lol
Beat kid character until Bonney, but that bar was in hell Pre-TS
Wait so guys..yall don’t think maybe imu isn’t evil ?
yeah maybe the fascist dictator of the world whose explicit goal is to subdue all threats to his position at the top deserves to be heard out actually
oh no he’s evil alright
Steven universe ass technique
even if he’s complex and fleshed out that won’t change the fact he’s evil
"I know there's still good in you"
imu is undoubetdly evil in the present, the actions of lulusia, the way they talk about themselves and humans, the regime they oversee
Bitch you have a boa PFP and you don't put the fact that maybe the reason for her trauma with men and abuse is the one at the top who trafficked her in the first place?
but that doesnt mean imu was always like this, personally im speculating that imu was good/neutral in the past, having some kind of reasonable point
Also oda knew something we didn't about the people at the top trafficking innocent children for exploitation
and the current state of the evil governance is the result of vicious cycles self reinforcing over time
It's an interesting idea, but I kind don't want it to happen, the amount of people who will use it as an excuse or to say that oda is trying to make IMU's actions less bad will be enormous
But idk Vega punk speech made this chapter speak to me. Even he couldn’t identify who was right or wrong.
listen you cant hamstring yourself to accomodate your most stupid readers
Imu is wrong and a bad person, but they will also be given a sad backstory
True actually
they already saying imu is a fraud if he doesn’t kill a strawhat
itll be like doffy or charcters like that
it could be much worse😭
yall gonna cry when imu flashback
You mean the void century flashback?
Im sure oda will make imus childhood very sad, but they'll still be a bad person at the end of the day
it’s hard to give nuance to a person who calls their power the power of evil
How do we know it was imus doing? Wasn’t it the CDs..they have a mind of their own idk. If it was him for sure I’ll take it back, but dam bitch you gotta give me sauce before coming at me! I wasn’t aware imu did it himself
sauce or it didn’t happen bitch
I want IMU to be either:
A) oppressed who became the oppressor, continuing the cycle of hatred they oh so wished to dismantle
B) one of the elites who never saw anyone as mere pests
"i think we gotta kill this guy luffy" "damn"
This needs to be an emote
You do realize that IMU is the one who commanded them to traffic her right?
And everyone else?
Imu is the creator, and it seems there r some who work under him doing other things
Yeah he didn't directly abuse her, but he was the major reason she was abused in the first place
I mean just make it so they didnt believe that as a child
Yeah like keeping that system of oppression strong and healthy👍
Understood. But does that mean he did it?
I believe it is option A
he's evil for perpetuating a system that causes evil. even if he's not causing the harm personally
oh yeah for in the void century or early past it’s easy
i do hope the ancient kingdom were an oppressor of sorts, intentionally or not
Só basically just the fishman island villain but good
I forgot his name
vander decken
Jonah's or something?
Oh
no i'm lying to you
hody jones
I for once want a villain whose agenda is just push the oppressive system they benefit from
Thank you
I don't need sappy story
Yes him
isn’t that kaido
Yeah but in a lower scale
He stayed in Wano and called it a day
gorosei garling hks
Same to you
I understand where you’re coming from, but even without imu leading anything, shit will still happen. Imu isn’t the one who has the brains for everyone that’s a CD. He has his own shit to perhaps do, and is labeled the bad guy for it. I still think women would be abused without him leading abusers or creating a group of them. Those specific individuals would be born with that same ugly mindset and go abuse people & women regardless if Imu was alive or not. Dumb bitch.
If we find out he personally set ppl to ruin them, ok say less. I’m definitely an evil whore, bitch what ever. How could I be a boa fan and say imu is good? I’ll take it back but I need proof first before blaming imu.
chill😭😭
Bad people will always exist, the major problem is those who defend and SUPPORT THEIR ACTIONS

the only reason Luffy didn't die from Magellan's poison is because shanks was already microdosing Luffy when he was a kid
I think the problem is you thinking we should hear out one piece Hitler
Does he know? lol….
There’s someone named Morgan who controls news, bitch.
He didn’t even know Loki had the fruit.
Immunity
The garo treatment
What does hitler have to do with anything happening?
Garp
The same Imu that could’ve freed the slaves in Marijoa or allowed the giants and fishmen to join the reverie
Comparison to show how bad Imu is
What does Loki have to do with anything?
He’s a legend because of imu huh?
does anyone remember when this ep came out and people were thirsting on luffy
Oh you’re trolling
Fisher Tiger would’ve been a legend no matter what
He was that kind of person
I might have fallen for the bait
Same for Mont Blanc Noland
I see. I do think imu is bad, originally if you guys have seen me rant here before but now that I looked at things, since there’s a huge break. I noticed VEGA PUNK indicated no one is right or wrong, in terms of the WG and piracy. So…idk.
Vegapunk doesnt know enough
I could say the same huh I just don’t have a “hitler” reference
it is certainly psosible we'll see imu in childhood was a better person or something
but at the end of the day theyre bad now and they cant do anything to redeem themself
VP doesn’t make assumptions based on incomplete data because that’s not how a good scientist operates
Agreed tho
They've been bad for 800 years
Who wants Imu redeemed?
me

That doesn’t mean they haven’t done wrong things or let them happen. Plus Vegapunk is just being objective. He doesn’t know what “we” the audience know and will know about Imu
yall aint ready for the imu redemption arc
imu can be rehabilitated with the power of fake flashbacks
"leave the devil himself alone"
imu will never be redeemed
I agree I’ve said this numerous times btw, but something is making me think that the ancient kingdom r the bad ones lowkey
yall telling me the devil will be redeemed

multiple parties can be bad
I think it's possible it will be reframed more as an order vs chaos conflict rather than good vs evil
he’s a fkn oppressor😂
The power of schizophrenia
Tbh real he is the devil, maybe after having the devil fruit something happened to him
it'll be beautiful for the story
!!
hell no i need him to SUFFERRRRR
He’s hot, so by OP rules he can’t be all bad
altho I think in practice luffy is always very clearly morally in the right even if the character is technically ambiguous
2 bads don't make a right
yep exactly
True..
100x it and give it to Imu for them to get redeemed
I mean that's true
yknow maybe ohara DESERVED to be wiped off the map 🤔
"I want to live" - imu to the elder stars
Guys we gotta redeem Imu. He's hot
larpppp it's elder planets
:/
Killing your own father is tough, I'd be as petty for the world government as Loki is, probably even more
DEFINITELY EVEN MORE
Imu will kill everyone and I will be happy
DOO NOTT REDEEEM
"spread that oppression seed all over me"
I feel like the recent stuff like god valley kindof made the WG too over the top evil to really do a storyline like this anymore
like pre-Egghead I think you could maybe just about justify an opinion that the world government sucks but people support it because theyre worried someone like Kaido could take over instead
what if instead of one piece it was mu piece
but now we know that they just do genocide on a regular basis for fun it's like, clearly they're actually the bad guys
100x more merchan to sell
I think the O'Hara flashback should have made it obvious
what they do on o'hara was really bad but it was a means to an end
They delete entire islands... them being the bad was pretty set
1180 spoilers banned
Yes everyone has done bad things, but just because he rules specific people, doesn’t mean that he’s the one doing it.
Again, it was an assumption I even argued w someone the other day that imu deserves to be punished. It’s just, I’m starting to think we will get “domi reversi” lol.
Like it’s just very strange. He’s in the verge of death, is in pain but still proceeds to show himself after all this time.
What vega punk said can’t be lie, so what exactly was he referring to? What if the devils fruit has a mind of its own? Like idk. But idk why ppl coming for my neck based off assuming he doesn’t have ill intentions perhaps. lol it was a thought..
I've been posting this one all day today I love it
"mods, delete his island, thank you"
we didn't know what they were trying to hide, it was presumably for self-preservation
wheras god valley there was literally no reason for
Well you’re not Vega punk bitch
Imu is your average twich streamer i see
"THIS IS WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH ALL DAY? THIS IS YOU CREWMATE? THIS IS WHO HELPS YOU?"
is it actually on the Spoiler thing I didn't even turn it on
next week is break
why do people think imu can be redeemed and turn around and say blackbeard is unreedemable? i’m not saying either of them are but some people think blackbeard is worse then imu💀
yep, if you copy paste a spoiler tagged image on discord it spoiler tags your posted image too 😔
He did flirt with a 12 year old
regardless of morality the two will never agree on anything
it's a saved image on my phone 
so he is absolutely an antagonist by that measure
You see blackbeard is ugly, making him unreedemable
And that makes him unredeemable
well blackbeard isn’t good at all vortex but imu is way worse tbh

Jinx lol
you got snailed vortex
Lol i just saw
it's odd because rocks honestly came off as a better person than the roger pirates in the context of god valley
he was there to save his family rather than just to grab some treasure
so what we saying? most of the blackbeard hate comes from the fact that he’s fat and ugly
Gonna have to touch something green and run for my life
Listen he’s not worse but will become the worst
in a series about pirates blackbeard is the only character who actually acts like a pirate
he steals things
he was pretty much the opposite of what people thought
and attacks towns
plenty act like pirates he’s just more severe then the others
I think there's also that fact that he's a cheating bastard, I think a lot of BB hate comes from people who don't understand his character
They think he's badly written because he doesn't fight honorably
Despite the fact that he's a pirate
A pirate? Cheating? How could this be
that’s his whole thing
I dont think people think hes badly written, its just fair to not like a cowardly character
Idk bout other people but it’s simple for me. Imu is the king of the world and in his world his subjects are starving. He’s a shitty king and needs to die.
it's also because he's a foil for luffy who is honest to the point of stupidity
Something something usopp
where luffy is brave and inspiring blackbeard is cowardly but cunning
He acts the most piratelike
so people can dislike usopp too
He's not "cowardly" I say, mainly just smart
He is also cowardly at times
He's smart enough to know he's weak
Kidd is brave and still gets hate
I wouldn't call it cowardly
According to Usopp pirates are very righteous and just and would never cheat
which compared to many characters just makes him cowardly
To know where to quit
Which is why he jumps people and catch them off guard
yeah I guess in the context of one piece it comes off as cowardice because almost everyone else has a huge amount of pride
He’s brave but the reason for his hate is because there’s a time and place to be “brave”
Not cocky
because some people disliking BB for being cowardly doesnt mean no one dislikes a characetr just cuz hes brave
Probably because of wano
As a Kidd fan he deserves the hate. He kills innocents
Tell em
blackbeard will just jump people and dodge fights he doesnt think he can win
yea so people are valid to dislike that
Discount Shanks (in also a Kidd fan)
RIP kidd
In no way similar not even hair color
I thought his lies become the truth or was that a meme
I think BB is a good character but i’m 100% positive that anyone who thinks he is likable is lying to themselves
Loses same arm
it happens quite often
Kidd is a Shanks larper
I think there's a difference between disliking a villain because he is who he is and disliking a villain because he's evil

BB honestly still feels like a more logical final antagonist to me than imu
He definitely is likeable, not morally, but just really funny
just due to his presence in the story
I think he's a character who's hard to hate
Kidd attacking Shanks fleet (assuming it’s public knowledge that Shanks fleet is composed of bums!!) is good grounds to clown him and hate him.
theres nothing wrong with disliking a character for being pussy. A character being evil is them being themselves too
He's an annoying asshole, he's cheating but he's so a dreams man
yea so its fair to like him or dislike him, both valid
I guess luffy vs BB isn't that personal atm but that will change when blackbeard kills shanks
Me loving when Usopp and Nami run away but hating when anyone else but them do it.
Sometimes, but not always
There's also agenda lol, some people don't want him to be the main villain
Ya never know tbh
They want IMU or akainu
I mean are you trying to say people who dont like him are just agenda pushers
no one is advocating for akainu nowadays
mainly because it’s hard to imagine Blackbeard being a capable 1v1 fighter. He has no close combat feats and his strategy is just grabbing DF users. Most top tiers would just blitz his big ass
Absolutely not, I know there's a lot of people who hate him who are not on this part of the fandom
He needs more guns
its blackbeard or imu, akainu was never really in the running
Imu on the other hand is imposing as hell
yeah but blackbeard is constantly doing things that make himself and his crew stronger
akainu for final villain was a thing until imu was revealed, maybe a little while after imus reveal
and he doesn't fight fair, his entire crew is jumping you
look at the haki flex from his elbaph arrival
It's just that from the part I'm in, a lot of the hate comes from people not wanting him to be the big nad
Ofc, but let’s first see who’s the real cause of the chaos of the world. We have this general idea he’s the evil of all kind. And ofc we are led to presume that he’s the root to all evil, and it must be stopped. But it may not stop just there, that’s the problem. BB is still around, and I believe he knows the truth this to why he’s the way he is w his ppl. Re making the “ancient kingdom” perhaps idk. Anyways, it was just a random thought digging up stuff, and so I wanted everyone’s opinion and thoughts. Minus him being super hot, but still. I do think he will still die but evil still won’t be stopped, unless..idk lol
Imagine going through hell and finding out one of the niggas that’s responsibility for all the shit you going through just greeting you with a smile. Like he didn’t get your brother locked up.
Loki is my dark horse pick for final villain
think about the way the legendary character is framed even if he's an ally for now
I'll stan him
He's an asshole to the very end, the goat
Ace is the final villain
alternatively buggy
Don't you think that introducing the main villain 1000 chapters after the story begins is bad?
He’s not the root cause pretty simple to grasp since history exists before the Void.
he doesn't necessarily need to be evil, just a force that's opposed to our protagonists
He's not exactly a righteous person
who is this referring to
I guess main villain is pretty unlikely but I do think he could turn out to be a villain
Loki
like he's a legendary figure of destruction
That'd be pretty interesting, although I would need a reason for him to oppose the strawhats
Well, either way, idk shit about the history or void but we all seem to know he’s apart of it no? He’s causing all these legendary people to die, all these people have suffered because of him thus he’s led to be the most evil one. I pray Oda doesn’t troll us
@deep chasm do you think BB is a skilled fighter, or at least as skilled as Luffy
he’s not a weapon user so he probably fights cqc like luffy unless he’s using his quake fruit
but there’s probably a massive speed difference between the two
like the straw hats honestly already seemed too strong going into elbaph and they've just been given another extremely strong legendary character for free?
Hes so not becoming a villain
i dont think its necessarily correct to expect a fair 1v1 as the only possible resolution. that actually seems unlikely to me
Yamato but better in every way shape and form
yeah i figured the same he’s just a chaotic character
not the type of guy to fight a 1v1
Why would anyone expect a fair fight with BB
the thing is luffy has multiple catastrophic weaknesses that a smart opponent could exploit
But I understand where you're coming from, it's difficult seeing Lokis character after Elbaph
I cannot envision him winning a fair fight
Unless Elbaph starts the great war and he's forced to fight
Which would be the most logical conclusion
I think he's going to side quest for a while
like if he fights Loki 1v1 he’s getting slammed
I’m sorry what? Why must loki be evil lol
A smart character who KNOWS him, personally
Like blackbea-

blackbeard with prep time
Chai tea
I think BB is stronger than luffy
also blackbeard has won some insane fights offscreen which suggests he might have some hidden tech
you really cant really on fights like that for BB, narrative is what matters
and I think BB will be getting a powerup before the end of the story
I think him taking the crown would be a logical conclusion, even if a bit lame
what power up will luffy get to match that
because they are going to fight eventually
yeah there's a lot of foreshadowing for this
I don't see him being a king, but Elbaph really fucking needs one
no clue, more haki, more time in g5 is a must for sure
I was thinking maybe imus powers when he’s weakened or defeated but that’s just me
sure
What weaknesses?
That'd be a bit boring of a conclusion.
g5 time limit
The off screen IS the hidden tech
sea prism, sea water, the food thing, time limit
The same time limit he cheated through vs Kaido
Anything else
I want to see him with lola so much dude
getting a few extra minutes is not changing that theres a time limit
I must say the gear5 time limit is a really bad weakness to have lol
Like when I first saw it I’m like wtf!!
He just didn’t do it
the time limit is a bigger problem if your opponent refuses to fight one on one
Just saying, BB could totally just capture someone from the strawhats and use them as a hostage
I need to question Lola. How you rejecting /that/
since whenever you run out someone else can tag in and attack you
Luffy basically must defeat his opponent within a time frame..
Or anything more scummy and extremely dishonest
so theres multiple times he should have if it was something he could easily access, but its not. And again, at best that gives him a few more minutes, its still a time limit
Plus Luffy has been working with time limits since he’s had the Gears
It’s not really an exploitable weakness
like kaido was strong obv but he also had a strong sense of honour
It is and we've seen it be exploited already
he wasn't going to just run away and kite luffy until his form ran out
By who?
you have no proof that his stamina in g5 is any better than before
when kizaru ran him around and he ran out of time
It doesn’t need to be
kaido had to meet luffy at full strength for his pride
Got rid of the messy curls of the silhouette
Yeah bro and Luffy totally lost that altercation
there does for you to use that as a point
yes luffy loses g5 at the same time kizaru goes down, and we find out kizaru was acting
so thats not a great showing for luffy
He hit the gym, don't ask me how he completely changed shape he just hit the gym
it takes him the entire g5 time period to hit kizaru, and we find out kizaru was not actually incapacitated
Why do all the silhouettes have curls?
I low-key miss him..I remember he saw Rocks in him was very strange
so yes until further notice g5 time limit is a large weakness of him

He even grew up
Rocks has spicky hair
Oh wow this was a lie
Could be curls
That’s what I mean
also the dark dark fruit can disable fruit powers
Why do all silhouettes have curls
so if blackbeard gets the jump on luffy he's just helpless
I m ean rocks has one of the most accurate designs compared to silhouette
Idk but it seems like imu DF has the power of all DF no?
Imagine an awakened dark fruit
Or am I tripping
"Helpless" when man pulls out ACoC punch to blackbeard's face
We haven't seen his ability yet
Or at least not all of it
Hes just aura farming
it could be like the gorosei and just a thematic devil power
I mean the gorosei dont got fruits either it seems like
I really hope Oda doesn’t do this. I get BB is strong but Luffy got insane strength
I don’t see it
I think it's just the way he's posed
not a naruto character, but it somewhat generic of a design
I agree his design looks a bit odd
naruto invented ukiyoe
Yeah but when he made an entrance, reminded me of big mom making living things have souls, cause the trees and other things ended up living evily lol so I’m sssuminf his df power has some similarities with others or some shit
like it's very standard cool when one piece characters usually have at least one super goofy element
Naruto is trash and one piece is ten times better any and all comparison is made with irony and humor in mind
There
I don't think this is the base imu
The same way G5 luffy isn't how luffy actually looks like
I guess you sometimes get a more serious design like katakuri
naruto invented japan I can't believe oda just going to plagiarize it like that
Imu better be handsome still
thats fair
Imu transformed after teleporting so yeah
i feel like imu being kinda generic and edgy is kinda the point
like hes just that different, and old
imu better have some huge badonkers
The hair looks like luffys in G5 but longer
Good
Apparently ppl r saying he actually has wings..
He’s a girl, so
there is an air vs land vs sea kindof motif right
Depends on the color
imu is the land, wielder of the original devil fruit which we know the sea hates
Yeah that curl?? Thats intentional
Ohhhh maybe you’re cooking
I was thinking Imu was the see personified cause ya know Umi. I guess their name
Makes sense as the opposite of the sea tho
poseidon is the sea representative, and then the sky people are the third faction
Why is the sea an oppressor?
Gotta pull up the sacred texts for this one
what kinda translation
Floods, with how biblical themed the world government is, floods being used to kill everything god saw as "evil" would make sense thematically
Davy jones earth god
Imu forest god
Luffy/Nika/Joyboy sun god of course
Sea god poseidon
Idk but here's another one
what about the moon?
You might be cooking with IMU being the forest god
I lowkey forgot about them
the devil link is pretty strong
What about it? The moon is completely unimportant to anything one piece related, nothing ever happens in the moon THERE'S NOTHING OR NO ONE IN THE MOON
WE ASSUMED CHOPPER IS FORESR GOD..
He manipulated the environment around him, mainly organic things like the trees
it would make sense thematically but why is chopper sending devils
To chant his name
Why?
who is we
My other ppl of this op realm..
the meeting that was heavily talked about in fishman island was luffy/shirahoshi right
is the meeting they keep mentioning for the sea god and sun god...
But chopper slaps them
And they’re back to normal
he did it to whole ass houses too
also I wonder what the significance of the half vs full moon is
Holy shit enel was right, anything we can't explain, we blame it on gods
Let oda cook with the answer first
Houses are made of wood
It seems like the god powers are to manipulate the environment for their own advantage
Sun god with transforming everything it touches into rubber
And the forest god (probably) using the power of nature itself to aura farm ig
chopper so innocent
Is there a write in option? If so I choose Kid
Love how I can’t see this because I still haven’t updated my discord
Use dark red heart for Eustass Kid.
kids cant be evil, so true
Well kids are cruel
Yeah, forwarding is how I got it here. It helps a lot with voting.
vote imu
We need to work on your cropping skills
Little known trivia is that they captured and slaved Enel to power things
💝happy easter! (to those that celebrate it lol) 🐰🐤
😭
Aye thank you! Hope you had a great Easter weekend! 🙏
finally someone not afraid to speak the truth
Look at this adorable Bonney and Kuma fanart ❤️ so sweet
ty zoro ♥️
We are not prepared for Sommers to die… 
He was a TRUE hero
The EVIL Roronoa killed him
True
and Killingham
I cant believe that nasty cook Sanji attacked him for no reason
criminals
You are SICK
I SPIT on you
Kill him again
He will be back
We must BELIEVE IN WOMMERS
Sommers is safe because Zoro is about to job to Imu, as he's right near him
nami sakuga next week
I wanna have some real ass talk in this channel real quick
Before I die in hopefully many decades from now, there are a couple languages I wanna learn.
Outside of English and Japanese, I wanna learn:
- Chinese (Mandarin): at an academically proficient level
- Korean: conversationally
- Arabic: conversationally
- Russian: conversationally
- French: at an academically proficient level
- Spanish: somewhat conversationally
- German/Dutch: conversationally
@random hinge @honest garden Any cool thoughts?
first 4 being language learning experiences of doom and despair for someone born speaking english
So yall really cool with Oda giving up the Ace card?!
Disagree on Korean. It was designed to be a language that one could learn within a month of practice.
I know bits and pieces of Chinese, due to the fact that I have many chinese international friends at my school. I want to be able to talk about physics in Chinese.
ace card ?
I definitely want to learn mandarin as well though, probably my next self project in the future
near future that is
I agree on arabic and russian tho💀 Arabic will genuinely be Herculean of a task.
Spanish is mainly so I can talk to local Spanish people in my area and so that I can listen to Bad Bunny songs and understand their relatively inappropriate meanings.
I trust he'll use it well now that he put the whole thing on the table but
too many options on how the next 3-5 chapters can go
💀 discord browser
discord app is literally webview2
Yeah, but Elbaf turning into ruins is something I’m looking forward to. Plus people expect Luffy to lose here, why?!
same shit
Mailbox?? 
if you ever get all these down i think you should try taking a look into brazilian portugues its pretty cool
hi
WTF dude
im planet earth
wait till you see icon
That threw me off a little
Nhaa
@stone terrace
@stone terrace
aura farmer shanks
What is happening 
and finally new sfx
not all sounds and ost were replaced but im fine with that
the ones that are still in use never were a problem imo
the fucking ship getting blown up by yasopp
it was the same sfx but the sound design was different
looks like that's how most sfx are gonna be for seasonal toei piece, the same shit with better directing
mhm
it sounds much more modern and honestly its refreshing
i really like how the art looks too
its much closer to the art style of one piece fan letter which i adore
theres some scenes which contain too much bloom or whatever effect theyre using
but thats it
the alphabet was designed to be that
the language is not lol
you would need a year to be meaningfully conversational, and that's assuming you were disciplined
meek if you want to become a polyglot you should start now and study a set amount every day
nobody has that much time unless they make it their primary hobby
Bruh seriously
I swear it was the other way around
You don’t even know and are saying stuff so definitively?
Better start 15 years ago
Yes, you're better off at getting an answer if youre wrong and confident than just unsure
It's a real life lesson
Takes one to know one
(simpsons reference)
From "Lisa's First Word" (S04 E10)
Homer misunderstands the saying "tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Watch more clips from this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2wXgg5v5E1phKaAp1UUnzrz3CD1pUR-q
#remainsilent
#bethoughtafool
#removealldoubt
Not yet being fluent in a language feels like if you're the only one on a long Discord slowmode timer while everyone else isn't and it's new chapter release-time
That's how I feel living in vietnam lately. To make matters worse practically every word here is one syllable long only, feels like people be talking as rapid-fire as a machine-gun
Way better than phở in western countries
pho dac biet is amazing!
Are you ethnically vietnamense
Where are you from originally
Dang, is this an interview, or an interrogation? I'll take it to DMs if you don't mind lol
Oh nvm then its ok
Sorry
Its ok
I'm just curious
I wanna learn more about the personal lives about the people in this server
Sorry
Its all good
Let's move back to OP discussion
No worries josh, let's do that indeed
Starting with how I figured out Urouge is the man with the burn scar
100% agreed. Chapter 1179 was a true turning point the series, never again will we refer to Imu as a giant black blob, rather as a primordial demon!
Wait...
Why is this kinda genius
Ask me anything
What do you do for a living ?
How did u figure that out tho btw
It all just fell into place to me when rereading OP. Only 2 characters so far mentioned Fire Scar, Urouge and Kid. Urouge has mentioned Blackbeard as a "key", and debuted in the manga fighting Killer
Seems you already found my post in the other channel, so no need to keep explaining the same points lol
But for a new point, I've just beeing thinking about how.. whoever Burn Scar is is
a) Obviously a man
b) Has fiery marks outwardly
c) In spite of this, has their face hidden
Urouge is
a) Obviously a man from his stature
b) Has fiery marks on his arms
c) Actually dons a hoodie where he could keep his face hidden
OGMMMGGM I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IMU TO ANYONE BUT MY FRIENDS DONT WATCH/ READ ONE PIECE THEN I REMEMBERED IM IN A ONE PIECE SERVER 🔥🔥
There isn't much wiggle room here for these specifications, and Urouge can actually fit all 3 design-wise based on the sightings of Burn Scar
bros locked in🙏🏻
How do you explain the whirlpools
I think Kong is the most forgetable character ever
From what we see in that panel of Urouge fighting Killer, it seems he actually does have a tendency to spin his pillar around in a vortex. We don't yet know the complete limitations of Urouge's fruit, this could help.
But either way, I would assume that a technique like this with his pillar is what's causing the whirlpools. After all, it doesn't seem like long-ranged enough of a technique to create the whirlpools too far. Laffite says they're only created upon ships coming too close.
We only saw the guy in marineford and that's it
Urouge's defensive whirlpools may be based on the "whirlpools of samsara", and may have the attack name based on that. Not mandatory to look up or actually be the name of his technique, but an interesting detail I noticed during research nonetheless
Kong is supposed to be commander in chief for the wg and if you ask me he should've been on egghead.
It is kinda weird how he never shows up or matters
And Kong is supposed the third highest authority in the wg
If akainu takes orders directly from five elders what does he even do

@thick mango exactly why even bring kong into the story
He gives orders for things that gorosei doesn't care about
Believe me when akainu finds out about Imu, I am sure he'll split the navy from the wg
Or there will be a civil war
loooooool
akainu doesnt have the balls
A
B
C
D
do you think Loki's dragon form color palette is Purple? cause i was rereading Elbaf and saw the color spread of chapter 1128 which resembles Loki's niddhogg form
Jarul said it's a black dragon.
when? 1176?
I don't remember the exact chapter number, but it was the chapter after Loki's dragon form was revealed
F
https://x.com/saehrus/status/2040983928622792784/photo/1
@leaden rivet
https://x.com/trungroi2/status/2040930810610520117/photo/1
Ugh, why is Oda so good at making designs.. It's unfair.
Damn I quickly read it again to find it but missed it
Oh yes
Real talk
Why does Imu think that Loki and Luffy combined are stronger than Rocks Roger Garp Whitebeard Kaido and Big Mom?
Their fruits have more significance, its not that Imu thinks they are stronger
He wants to remove then before they really become even bigger thorns in the side, especially since he now knows their exact location AND has a way to get to then with ease
Its about the danger they current pose to Imu's rule. Roger and most of those pirates didnt pose a single issue because 1 they didnt have either fruit and 2 didnt know at that point the OP was a thing
Roger didn't seem intrigued by Imu at all.
Like he was just there for the journey, lol.
yea but realistically he isn't doing anything
I mean yeah, this is probably the first time Imu has come down for eons.
I wonder how long ago it was when Imu was last on the lower world.
800 Imo
unless there was someone within that time
that threatening
who knows when the last time he posessed someone even was
800 years since they last touched down on the lower world would be something.
They can do pretty much anything through their abyssal projection either way.
Imu barely concerns himself with stuff directly
and for him to even act is even more rare
right
and who knows when the last time he's even done that
either
outside of the rocks stuff
Yeah.
because they are 
They have the fruits
we dont gotta post every fanart
Yall just want aura moments, tragedy and no real depth. So the idea that Luffy has to save the world from Government bothers you lol. Blackbeard does not have the depth to be the FINAL villain. The Final Villian has to touch every characters writing. Blackbeard doesn’t do that
what yall think?
if imu doesn't get to dominate elbaf and kill at least one important named character, oda will have failed
yes I do actually like the 800+ y/o deity/tyrant with history going back to the void century being the final obstacle between luffy and a new dawn for the world
I can also unfortunately see blackbeard swooping in when imu is weakened like the opportunist he is and being the true final antagonist
I love Imu I think he's a great candidate to be the final villain, but saying Blackbeard doesn't have any character depth or isn't a well narrative villain is just dismissive of his character
I prefer Imu to be final villain but idk how you can say that blackbeard doesnt touch every characters writing
"touch every characters writing" is just babble
why is that a necessary cog
Its not even true either
why cant he do that?
my ideal scenario is a 1v1v1
blackbeard is being framed as a direct opponent of imu, a conflict seems inevitable
you know the final villian discourse is only going to heat up within the next 5 chapters
oda needs to let this man run rampant and bring ruin to elbaf in some way, bare minimum
don’t count on too much ruin
If it was any other island its just problematic that elbaf has been built up for so long
not to the point of being totally destroyed, but it should have to take months to bounce back
Yeah he really is with the Davy reveals
I still think people are overlooking what the structure has implied for Dragon
The insurgent serpent moves soon
👀
This is why I hate social media
if we consider the first world to have technology far greater than Egghead ever had, according to VP, then imu had an instagram account
Yeah but he just used it to watch car crash videos on instagram
this is why I not hate social media
VP: I HAVE PLANS TO MAKE THE INTERNET
Imu: bout time. I need to get on my accounts
joyboy was an influencer he really hated
"VP is looking into the void century"
Imu: .....and I was so happy to get my stuff back
im only on Fishman island
Why are you here then
They're so good though!..
Slaaaaaay.
no this way I dont have to use twitter keep em coming
Jimbei death flag confirmed
Do you know what will throw me off here, is finding out he’s exactly the same age as luffy
we did kind of get confirmation that it's Nerona Imu
so it's the 800 year old one
yall liked the chapter?
I know Meeks but you never know with Oda. That mf could double down and say on his next introduction box he lived through time for 800 years
Lol
I’m okay with it, I just don’t like Imu’s design
I mean Katakuri has a better design. Even Doffy
800 years (781 in cryostasis)
yes
!break
I love this
aren’t you literally a Mihawk fan though
Imagine preferring the hot dog mu over what we've got
This is craaazzzy slander
Insane how wrong you got this
What we got could’ve been better
BUT I’ll wait until we get something up close and detailed
The full body is a couple of scribbles rn
Coincidentally, a lot of people in here that I've seen say this, are people who draw
I'm pretty famous for being the biggest mihawk fan here
Ohhh that’s pretty interesting
Like we did but no details and hard to make out
This is true
I don't hate him at least
Buffy, you, and I think Thigh, you said something similar as well
What I was able to make out is that he’s wearing some sort of long striped “skirt”(?) with a fur belt, possibly no shirt? A cape with those giant eye patterns, long hair with the swirls
All of the artists
I don't hate mihawk but I think he's boring
I don’t think he’s boring, he’s just super mysterious
why would you even consider him when he just wants to run a PMC
Which is what I believe the kids call “aura”
Thigh how do you feel about Imus design
As the resident goat of Imu gifs
It's alright
It looked like pants to me. Like those real baggy ones that Usopp was wearing
The Aladdin pants
I prefer blobmu
MC hammer pants
Yeah lol
And elbaf belt
Enel pants
I’m not sure if that’s better or worse
👀
Enel’s got a nice detailed design that doesn’t feel like it clashes
Is my goat…washed…?
I forgot what Imu's pants look like design wise
Lego Land is going to be so boring bro they should have cut it
toei should just skip to 1179 tbh
Yes
Toei should skip to eos
Icl a guy like that is gonna crush Luffy and Loki (for now) its so gonna be Saboady 2.0
I just want Imu's coloring revealed so we know if he's red or a 🥷🏻
🕺
I like the dark blue fanarts
but I doubt it
Red is the one
Red would be so cliché
Like we get it he is a demon
Lunarian would deepen the character
There are really no shared characteristics beyond the potential for Imu to have the same skin color
Put me on Elbaph and I’ll solve everything in a few minutes alone with Imu
Dracul means Dragon
Dracula means son of the dragon
“Imu = emu” is hilarious tbh it feels like a stretch but Oda has made those work
Did you guys know that Sora (the hero) isn’t on the popularity poll
Apparently its "the devil" in modern romanian
My gut tells me that has to do with biblical etymology
Satan referred to as the dragon and such
yup
Twinkmu
interesting that in Viz , Imu is more like King skin tone compared to TCB version which has Imu darker skin toned
I still don't think that Imu is a lunarian as they have none of the traits of a lunarian outside of the dark skin and the suspected white hair..
They don't have any feathered black wings, nor a flame.
Almost like an angel that’s lost its wings
Enel clipped his wings 👀
Sort of like a devil?
But i think imu is just a devil
Still wouldn't explain the lack of a flame.
The wings can be explained by them being cut, yeah.
i’m still 50/50 on it …. i could see both ways .. Imu being part lunarian and that black fire looking ring behind them was lunarian fire before getting corrupted somehow , when Imu first arrived it did look like wings came out their back but i can also see imu being another race
i don’t think the horns are natural though
i think that’s part of their devil fruit transformation
Who’s the cow piece fan?
Come on, everyone has bled.
Do you remember the tiger man theories
Hell nah
bring it on Imu
#FEARLOKI
I was not there for that but i have heard of it yes
The ones that predate the resin fruit theories
It was supposed to be a form of his against kaido?
Theres like a billion reasons to compare enel to imu and thats what you went with
@sleek plume you lost 2 votes, 3 more left. Tell me whom should i vote 👀
I think tigers represent the D clan tho
😭
Yeah
yoo bro
The D clan is the earth, the CDs are the “heavens”
let’s go luffy and loki
People thought he was gonna make a new gear 4 form
And tigers are the natural enemy of dragons
They'll get smacked so hard.
I am sorry but Luffy and Loki will realize what they're up against.
im betting on them to not get smacked
Really?
Gil
they will perform MUCH better then people think even if they don’t win
everybody counting them out … that’s perfect !
Performing well counts as anything that's not instantly dying when you're up against the literal devil, so i suppose.
They’re saying what if he’s a Birkan
we know realistically elbaph can’t really end in a big failure
because if it does imu will kill them
I have seen that
Oda : “Luffy will go wild in this volume “
have some faith in Nika !!!
especially in Elbaf of all places
That was a previous volume though.
Oh yeah that’s yeah I see what you’re yeah this might just yeah
Vivi….
Nobody is reading the words on vivis shirt bro
Luffy didn’t do anything til this volume
Sadly
Can’t it?
luffy is getting a power up in this upcoming fight
I was looking for her symbolism and found that shit 😭 who else but oda
The raid will fail…
🤫
And what would that be, lol.
Lets just start with luffy being able to use gear 5 for longer than 3 minutes
Bro couldnt draw her next to a tiger #fairs
Haki bloom
Egghead was considered a failure by Luffy because of VP , I don’t see him having that same feeling in 2 arcs back to back
A haki bloom, hasn't he already had tons of haki blooms.
Keep dreaming
How many haki blooms will bloom?
Funny how the 3 characters that are related to plants haven’t had a haki bloom
We’re not doing haki piece again like the flashback
I don’t wanna go back
Its always been DFpiece man
Where basically everybody had all 3 types of haki and just spammed it
Well a lot if people somehow think Imu can neg diff yonko level characters
I swear there was a lot more haki people in the Loki flashback
I wouldn't say neg diff, but definitely mid diff or whatever it's called.
I do think that there's a giant gap between emperors and Imu.
Bigger than that of the pirate king.
That was when DFs were rare
the fanbase will overreact when these 2 things happen
- Imu doesn’t kill anyone of major importance other then Jarul
- Luffy and Loki actually put up a decent fight
But the government unloaded more Dfs into the public
Rocks with his hammer haki technique... Oda should've just given him a fruit.
I meannnnnn
I lost bet so i have to vote what he says for few days
Most of Rick’s crew was devil fruit users I think
Better luck next time
Which is hilarious because the point is…luffy and loki are HALFWAY there
it’s funny cause last arc people were saying this SAME EXACT THING when the Gorosei all pulled up to Egghead
“ Luffy is cooked ! “
“ this is all 5 elders , straw hats stand no chance ! “
“ it’s no way Luffy wins this one , these are the final saga villains ! “
lmao literally the same exact thing is being repeated
Luffy and Loki will put a decent fight, but literally anything but not dying instantly is counted as a decent fight when you're up against hell themselves lol.
They got the fruits that were needed (all except one 😏)
So naturally they will put up their fight more than some random haki niggas who werent in their primes
To be fair, Luffy was pretty cooked there if it wasn't for Emeth.
Luffy had no way of doing damage which actually mattered.
Tbh I think Imu will just be sent back
He could hammer on as much as he wanted to, they'd just get back up.
even before emeth did that , the elders were getting stalled by the giant pirate crew and the straw hats lol
They were 2 seconds away from dying before the haki knot
people were talking like luffy was gonna get cooked immediately by the elders
Stalled? You do know that the straw hats were the ones planning to escape.
Yea luffy didnt “lose” but he wouldnt win if he kept fighting
If anything the gorosei were stalling the straw hats.
People are expecting crazy things from Imu, which probably won't happen
🤐
Especially with all 5 there
Warp
Garp backstory incoming
those same straw hats with bonney were still able to send a gorosei back forcefully and hold their own against the others they ran into
Prime ribs, lol.
What would a garp backstory even be about
People were so mad about that
The monkey clan is fireproof

now straw hats have way stronger allies in elbaf than they did in egghead
It was so funny
Runbeard was one of the peaks of slander
Runbeard
Exactly

While actively running from them.
Gorosei really just weren’t dominating. Sure they were going to win Regen merchants and all but it wasn’t what people thought it was
Too bad we moved on past it

Nobody likes to slander Whitebeard
Saturn in fact was getting dominated
He got dominated 99% of the arc and then failed to kill the weak strawhats running away
It’s a good thing he died
No one cares about Saturn.
Saturn got hit with the performance check and was found....lacking
The other gorosei performed well.
the point is none of them were defeated by any elders like yall were saying they would and especially not Luffy who was just toying with all of them except for Warcury …
now yall doing the same thing this arc with Imu lol
Well
elbaf's emet
What did Mars do again….uh he destroyed some connectors and uh….
I didn't expect anyone be defeated by the elders, there's this thing called plot which i am aware of.
What if Thriller Bark is the Nerona’s previous home
Aura farmed on lucci
👍
what if
Just no.
If what
Shut that down real quick bro
I absolutely hate his hair, lol.
i forgot
This doesn’t look like Ethan bro
That sums up what the Gorosei were up too in egghead and against Sabo
that's the one part of the design i dislike.
I love it
😴
Ethan was only the best before we knew anything about them
It’s funny how they didn’t notice Wapol
Plot armour is a double edged sword, if there's too much you're cutting off the weight of any character's action
He’s still the best
100% plot armor
But warcury might be the strongest who knows



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