also-manga

[deep chasm]

I agree with this

[final trench]

What else

You hate revolution too?

[pulsar timber]

How is it stupid seems plausible as you can’t realistically wipe out an entire group of people that easily

[deep chasm]

you know all that but not nika? meanwhile random prisoners heard of nika

[pulsar timber]

It all feeds into Blackbeards ego

[ashen perch]

I think its because we've got two clashing ideologies at play here

[pulsar timber]

He really thinks he’s destined for this shit

Fate is only a thing when it’s on his side

[final trench]

I think the davies likely assume they dont need nika

[ashen perch]

Davy and his followers centre Davy in their prophecies

[deep chasm]

I dont think that would really explain not knowing of nika.

[glass plume]

He should listen to Whitebeard.

[soft tangle]

They wouldn’t be dead yet if Imu wasn’t in the story. Gorosei could be their own thing now. These characters are now puppets and I doubt they’ll ever be explored. Maybe we’re told of their sadistic tendencies like Saturn. Kaido and his crew I already didn’t really care about, so I can’t say much on that.

[deep chasm]

davy is top 1 but they can still know nika existed

[deep chasm]

bro what

[dense rapids]

From Oda himself

Blackbeard in one of the 3 most important chapters in one piece

[pulsar timber]

Whitebeard is an old man from a bygone era

[glass plume]

And still he is wiser than Blackbeard.

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gif-26920879

[hot cairn]

this makes 0 sense

[golden valley]

You got an interesting way of reading this manga bro

[ashen perch]

I think they dont acknowledge Nika, that is important to the Joyboy side.

[deep chasm]

Okay so if kaido and big mom werent in the story maybe we couldve developed other characters more. Your logic just isnt great here. Yea if you take out characters other characters get more time, that goes for anyone.

Regardless of whoever the final villain is, you could argue "if they werent here, other characters would do more"

[final trench]

Blackbeard doesnt care about roger

He denounced his era publicly

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[glass plume]

Then why is he going after the one piece?

[final trench]

Niggas reading 7piece

[final trench]

Because hes a 🥁 🥁 🥁 GREEDY PIRATE 😱

[grand rain]

He wants to be king of the world

[small ember]

End of day BB only cares about BB which is true

[glass plume]

Is that all?

[small ember]

I’d say he just cares about surpassing Roger

[ashen perch]

I mean so are a lot of characters lol, the big ''important'' characters spread is in the chapter thats titled '''The Ebb and Flow of the Ages''

[final trench]

VP did say whoever has the one piece controls the fate of the world

[small ember]

But that doesn’t mean he has no thoughts or feeling about Roger

[final trench]

So why not

Him going after the one piece ≠ he cares about roger

But go on

[glass plume]

So you agree that Blackbeard cares about Roger's legacy and what Roger left behind.

I just wanted to make sure.

[golden valley]

I just cant see anything that takes away from BB as a character with this Davy clan stuff

[final trench]

Roger left behind treasure, not the other shit that joyboy put there

[final trench]

Nothing does

[royal orchid]

oda seeing this on his twitter having to rewrite the arc because the fans figured out the plot

[golden valley]

Also, it makes sense

[final trench]

Its just cope 😴 for the future

[glass plume]

I thought you said that Nika doesn't matter to the Davy clan.

[brittle basin]

I think we just don't know enough yet to draw any meaningful conclusions. It's all still vague.

[soft tangle]

Taking out one singular character compared to two is quite different. This ONE character is controlling everything in the story. Not the world government, ONE person, Imu. I do not care about this “final villain” discussion since that’s not why I’m saying this.

[golden valley]

BB knows things that you can’t just naturally explain via “He just read books he conveniently found”

[final trench]

I said they probably believe they dont need nika

But go on

[pulsar timber]

Imu went some 150 chapters between apperances. He didn’t steal anything. We literally got kaido and big moms entire character. Saturn got an arc and exploration. Why can’t the other goresei get exploration. And not every single character is going to be thoroughly explored. It’s not possible

[final trench]

Ima firm believer of 🌗🌗

[golden valley]

He was always gonna come from a place of knowledge

[brittle basin]

I'm still of the mindset, his mother told him stuff.

[deep chasm]

So shocker, whoever the final villain is, would be controlling lots of things.

[glass plume]

That's a fat lie they tell themselves if so, lol.

[ornate tartan]

bro this final villian discourse never ending😂😂 until garling sits on the empty throne with the mother flame 😎

[golden valley]

True yep

[final trench]

Exactly, i didnt say it was true, just their belief

[deep chasm]

If Imu didnt exist and it was the gorosei you would be saying oh without the gorosei we could have more time for the yonko

and theyd be the ones controlling everything

[final trench]

The nika and yami are both needed to take down imu

[glass plume]

Hey, it's easy. Just get rid of Blackbeard.

[ashen perch]

are they

[final trench]

Thats why imu said they shall never resurface, he wants them to be enemies instead of allies

[wraith mantle]

imu sees nami and recognizes her as a nerona descendant and just kidnaps her

[glass plume]

What about Nidhoggr.

[final trench]

Yes

[soft tangle]

Kaidos character was nowhere near complete. We literally see nothing about how he obtained his philosophy/ideology. He’s just a violent brute trying to die in a spectacular battle. All of the admirals would be given more spotlight and actually be more threatening, but Imu creates another gap in the hierarchy (in addition with the knights).

[glass plume]

You forgot that one.

[pulsar timber]

You take out imu and the story shifts dramatically

[final trench]

He also plays a factor

[brittle basin]

agree

[glass plume]

A factor, lol.

[ashen perch]

Xebec needed 2 fruits, one was Nidhoggr, other is unknown and he didnt know about Nika so...

[glass plume]

It's literally one of the fruits which Xebec mentioned.

[final trench]

I didnt forget it, we werent talking about it?

[brittle basin]

imu is kind of necessary at this point, Oda has made it so. but it's OK to criticize it.

[final trench]

Being a factor is not a bad thing

But go on

[brittle basin]

TOO BAD IMU IS GETTING KILLED BY BB. COPE BITCHES.

[final trench]

You clearly just wanna argue atp lmao

[deep chasm]

theres nothing wrong with criticizing imu, but sshots' logic is just bad

[glass plume]

The whole story is centered around the conflict that started 800 years ago, which Imu has been the overarching antagonist for the whole fucking story.

[brittle basin]

And I say this as an Imu lover.

[ashen perch]

Theres plenty wrong with criticising Imu

[glass plume]

I kinda do, since it's so easy to poke at Blackbeard fans.

[wraith mantle]

i thought dragon was supposed to kill imu

[final trench]

Ive already mentioned the 2nd part

[final trench]

Interesting

[glass plume]

As soon as you criticize something Blackbeard does, they're on like hawks.

[wraith mantle]

let this nigga do something

[small ember]

As long as it’s not Sabo killing Imu

[ornate tartan]

khalid what u think we getting next chapter better then 1179?

[brittle basin]

You can disagree with Sshots, but he's allowed his opinion.

[final trench]

But yea being a factor is not a bad thing at all , idk what you’re confused about

[soft tangle]

That’s my point

[wraith mantle]

rich and hathor aint even here no more who is hawking on you

[leaden rivet]

Only like one person thinks dragon is killing Imu

[small ember]

OR Akainu

[ashen perch]

a BBeliever talking about cope....

[pulsar timber]

We saw how he attained his philosophy. He grew up in a war torn country and was sold off to become a soldier. His entire life has been one where he proves his worth through his strength alone which is why he adopts a meritocratic crew and believes in might makes right. Kizaru got spotlight this arc and isn’t done. Kuzan is literally on an emperor crew and going to get more spotlight. Akainu is guaranteed spotlight as well as the fleet admiral

[final trench]

Mind you you personally pinged me

[glass plume]

90% of the Blackbeard fans are like this, lol

[final trench]

But go on

[brittle basin]

Yeah yeah but I like Imu and BB.

[wraith mantle]

yeah 1180 will deffo be better

[hot cairn]

Arsal I’m surprised you’re a Imu final villain believer ngl

[glass plume]

Shuron is probably the best Blackbeard fan out there.

[final trench]

You also just admitted you purposefully wanted to argue but now niggas are on you like hawks?

[ashen perch]

I actually think Dragon has a way higher chance of killing Imu than BB

[deep chasm]

so I hope you realize if imu didnt exist youd be saying this about the gorosei instead

[final trench]

Dont throw rocks and hide ya hands now

[ashen perch]

but I wouldnt count myself among that group

[glass plume]

I mean you started with dumbing down on Imu.

[hot cairn]

@grand flower Arsal going to steal your flow

[ashen perch]

I have FOREVER been an Imu believer, since day one, since before he was introduced even, wdym

[brittle basin]

The gorosei sadly are not that interesting to me in the long run. I think they were when it was Early Piece, but now I'm more just "eh" on them.

[wraith mantle]

loki luffy bb and dragon

one of these niggas will kill imu

[final trench]

What did i say

[soft tangle]

No? They’d be the top of the government, above admirals

[wraith mantle]

or maybe its garling?

garling seems to be the ambitious type

[ashen perch]

Garling is not going to kill anyone aside from minorities and his wife

[royal orchid]

Oda: Robin rescue arc 2... Making a parallel to Water 7 and Enies Lobby... Eureka!

[deep chasm]

right..which imu is right now and you hate that

[hot cairn]

no I mean that you give me a BB vibe, that’s all

[pulsar timber]

It’s crazy because the admirals and goresei will still be given spotlight and depth and imu isn’t stealing anything from anyone

[final trench]

#true

[ornate tartan]

bro😭😭🔥🔥

[final trench]

Unless he kills a noname rev

[brittle basin]

I'm sticking to my guns until Oda shows otherwise: BB will kill Imu in the flower room to fulfill Rocks' promise - I don't think Oda was trying to be subtle with it. Felt like a hammer on a nail.

[pulsar timber]

Especially since his “flashback” will be with the lore shit we were already going to see

[small ember]

Garling is going to resurrect his wife so he can just kill her again

[deep chasm]

garling will kill shamrock

[glass plume]

You said people are jealous of Blackbeard and then you couldn't take the same thing against you.

[ashen perch]

oh, I dont feel it tbh

[ashen perch]

Nah

[ornate tartan]

@deep chasm 🕰️

[final trench]

How is saying people are scared of blackbeard, dumbing down imu

[dense haven]

bbfans are getting desperate

[ashen perch]

Shamrock might actually be the last figarland alive by the end of the series tbh

[glass plume]

So true.

[deep chasm]

true

[hot cairn]

Imu ain’t stealing anyone’s thunder

[final trench]

And if i “couldnt take it” i wouldnt be having this convo witchu gang

But go

[hot cairn]

he’s just that guy

[glass plume]

Blackbeard fans are the most desperate they've ever been right now.

[brittle basin]

Imu is going to steal Luffy and Loki's thunder, no pun intended.

[deep chasm]

yea maybe. But garling could kill him, or kill shanks

[pulsar timber]

Is he hammering a nail. We just had a mural that showed the entire world fighting against imu

[deep chasm]

but I dont see him killing shanks really

[ornate tartan]

Garling is the man with direct authority over the mother flame, infinite energy

[soft tangle]

Yes because then you have the knights too

[glass plume]

I think i'd actually like Blackbeard if it wasn't for his fandom.

[small ember]

BB will kill Imu in an underhanded way for sure if it does happen

Fits him

Won’t be a big fight

[wraith mantle]

i just cant reconcile this with dragon's mission of destroying the celestial dragons

if BB kills imu, he will also have to kill the CDs as well in the process

[deep chasm]

yes so the gorosei would be the ones leading the holy knights still so what is the difference

[ashen perch]

Garling's the villain, he gotta go. Shanks has the mentor thing with Luffy, a logical kill there. Shamrock is the safest among them

[brittle basin]

I'm also of the mindset BB is taking Imu's power and ruling if but for a moment.

[wraith mantle]

Dragon needs to be the one to have the final strike

[final trench]

Shamrock aint safe

[deep chasm]

he is the safest but I can also see all 3 dying

[ashen perch]

ehhh

[final trench]

Dragon might sacrifice himself for luffy

[pulsar timber]

That’s so yucky

Thankfully Oda isn’t doing that

[hot cairn]

Blackbeard is my favorite character outside the strawhats, but I don’t mind who the final villain is between him and Imu. I’m happy either way

[soft tangle]

The Gorosei are nobodies now. Do you like Saturns character?

[brittle basin]

I've assumed the CDs inadvertently kill themselves, Akainu goes postal on them, or Imu uses Uranus and wipes them all out.

[ashen perch]

well I believe in Shamrock redemption personally, so I can see him sticking around when he's good and decent

[hot cairn]

they’re both good characters

[glass plume]

You know what, fine.
I don't care at the end of the day.

[ornate tartan]

only D clans alive EOS about to be jaguar saul law and vivi😭 maybe luffy

[hot cairn]

boriiing

[final trench]

If bb “takes” imu’s power, i rather he just destroy it

[deep chasm]

so now if imu was gone and the gorosei got more shine you'd complain of how the holy knights are nobodies

[glass plume]

I don't mind it either really, they're just annoying about it.

[pulsar timber]

If they are nobodies now what were they before? Lol. Yes I like Saturns character

[final trench]

We both know thats a lie

[glass plume]

Like anytime Imu is brought up, they bring up Blackbeard.

[brittle basin]

I was originally on the side of "imu will be the battle of the world, and BB the battle for the OP" but Rocks' backstory shifted my thoughts on that.

[stone terrace]

shamrock probably has an entire countries worth of bodies

[grand flower]

He might try to spit facts like me, but he ain’t got the skills to eat a Mfer ass like me

[soft tangle]

They don’t exist if Imu ain’t created. The one making them immortal lol.

[stone terrace]

he can go

[grand flower]

I’ll argue that point better than ANYONE

[final trench]

Eos jaguar top 5

[hot cairn]

true

[glass plume]

You certainly don't know that, lol

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/vice-admiral-marines-one-piece-saul-saul-one-piece-gif-6563137620529044267

[deep chasm]

...you realize oda can have there be holy knights without them being immortal right.

And by this logic the gorosei also dont exist because imu isnt making them immortal

[soft tangle]

Mysterious? Intriguing? We saw what they are now, Imu’s dolls. Why care anymore?

[wraith mantle]

with the way Imu was ruthless with Saturn, I can see him also sacrificing all the CDs in a moment of desparate panic

but still.. I don't see dragon playing a major role in this scenario

unless taking down imu will be a group effort between luffy bb and dragon

[final trench]

That is a lie lmao, thats why you stretched out this entire convo wimme

[glass plume]

You're stretching it right now, so what's your point?

[royal orchid]

[brittle basin]

But I also can't help but remember this image: I could easily see BB wanting revenge after this.

[final trench]

Might aswell atp

[ornate tartan]

the elders dynamic is good

[final trench]

We gon argue forever

[soft tangle]

Immortality didn’t exist till Imu, so it’s an entire new story and reasoning. Knights would have been introduced earlier in the story with CDs if they actually had been thought of.

[final trench]

Or, until bb kills imu atleast

[glass plume]

Sure.

[pulsar timber]

Because they are still being characterized and tied to plotlines. We have garling who is a goresei now; and Saturn who had all of egghead. They can still be and will be written as individuals no matter how much or little they’re given

[grand flower]

How do you know that

[glass plume]

Anyways.

[deep chasm]

Okay so gorosei also dont exist because theres no imu to keep them immortal correct?

[wraith mantle]

yeah absolutely especially if this is why bro can't sleep no more, nightmares too scary to sleep

[soft tangle]

No because Imu wouldn’t exist

We going in circles?

[deep chasm]

okay so then why are you complaining about gorosei not getting shine lmao

[grand flower]

NASCAR

[soft tangle]

I don’t understand this logic. I WANT a entire new story

[deep chasm]

if youre trying to now make some point about holy knights and gorosei cant exist without imu

[brittle basin]

yeah it's the perfect image to represent PTSD

[ornate tartan]

they are gonna get some shine soon laww trust

[deep chasm]

then why are you acting like its a problme that the gorosei dont get shine due to imu

[pulsar timber]

I have the opposite impression after seeing current Blackbeard. I don’t think revenge is a primary motivator for him

[deep chasm]

they dont exist without imu by your logic

[soft tangle]

No, they do exist. Because they were introduced first.

[deep chasm]

...

brother

[ornate tartan]

one thing i would like to see is a backstory for the elders, who’s with me?

[soft tangle]

You took that no as a yes

[glass plume]

That would be interesting.

[deep chasm]

how do you think the gorosei are alive

[brittle basin]

That's fine. Like, I'm ultimately OK with either scenario taking place. I didn't switch because I suddenly love BB or anything, it just feels like that's where I think we're heading.

[pulsar timber]

I doubt we will get their pasts

But I’m fine with them being involved with others pasta

[ornate tartan]

I want to see if they were around during the void century but younger

[wraith mantle]

i would love to, but i doubt we will get in depth exploration of their characters like we did saturn

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-the-five-elders-kaiju-roaring-the-gorosei-kaiju-roaring-roar-rawr-gif-15627103690308988162

[soft tangle]

Because Imu exists. The reasoning without Imu would be entirely different.

[brittle basin]

I don't know if I need more elder backstory. but if we get it, keep it short and sweet.

[final trench]

Marquise mars

[soft tangle]

Who was immortal before Imu was introduced?

[deep chasm]

Okay, the same way the reasoning without imu would be different for the holy knights. Do you realize the holy knights dont need imu to be alive

[final trench]

But 5 of em probably the og kings

[glass plume]

A short backstory for each of them would be very nice, it would also allow us to explore different eras outside of the void century assuming that maybe one was recruited 200 years ago or 400 years ago.

[ashen perch]

nah

we need more than that

[pulsar timber]

They likely weren’t. They didn’t know why the nika fruit changed names

[blazing depot]

Picked up a figure of the most popular character worldwide

[soft tangle]

Holy knights weren’t created till this decade lmao. They aren’t in the story without Imu

[gloomy light]

Nusjuro is obviously getting more considering he has Shodai Kitetsu

[brittle basin]

If we get it and it's interesting, that's fine too. Just please not multiple chapters.

[ashen perch]

I can see 2 chapters for them, atleast

[wraith mantle]

if we are going deep on any elder it will be Ghandi

[ashen perch]

two is multiple...

[pulsar timber]

Nah they aren’t each getting 2 chapters

[deep chasm]

Do you realize being introduced after doesnt mean you cant exist without imu

[brittle basin]

that's 8-10 chapters if we include Garling.

[final trench]

That boy fought ryuma 🥶

[soft tangle]

Again, repeating myself, it’s an entire new story

[ashen perch]

they are getting 2, I believe the same for the admirals too

[pulsar timber]

Odas history of writing villian groups doesn’t lend itself to giving them all 2 chapters of backstory

[deep chasm]

Can you answer my question

[wraith mantle]

whats a Shodai Kitetsu

[civic dust]

I doubt we will get much of it. The war arc is very soon and with how many characters are in there the Gorosei are pretty much just there to fight.

[ashen perch]

these are the most important antagonists in the series, they arent like regular lower level villains

[pulsar timber]

Kizaru isn’t getting any more backstory in my opinion. Akainu is for sure and kuzan id probably

[glass plume]

That's something we can agree on, he definitely was the one who defeated Ryuma and Ryuma gave him those scars.

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think Fujitora is getting more than a chapter max

[final trench]

Facfs

[pulsar timber]

Same for greenbull

[brittle basin]

you know what's funny? after egghead, I've stopped thinking much about them. don't know why.

[final trench]

Allegedly ryuma died undefeated tho

[glass plume]

Oh yeah.

[soft tangle]

The answer is obviously yes? I don’t know what would be gained here. If you somehow make the holy knights exist without Imu congrats then? Then you have to introduce Shank’s brother earlier and everything else with the power scaling

[wraith mantle]

will mihawk get a backstory

[pulsar timber]

Maybe

[brittle basin]

maybe?

[ashen perch]

Kizaru yeah maybe not, but Fujitora and Greenbull will get more than the SBS. Kuzan and Akainu too for sure.

ofc

Mihawk will 100% get a backstory

[ornate tartan]

yeah

[final trench]

So ryuma just put fear into his heart

[brittle basin]

i don't know if i need a mihawk backstory. kind of like him unknown and just a wall for zoro

[final trench]

Yea

[wraith mantle]

does mihawk even have any setup for a backstory

[ashen perch]

yeah

[glass plume]

Definitely.

[wraith mantle]

i get the vibe hes just a really strong dude

[glass plume]

Oda has already mentioned somethings about it.

[final trench]

When he meets zoro again

[ashen perch]

the naval hunter bit, the great betrayal he faced at one point

its been teased

[brittle basin]

everything having an answer is not always a good thing. sometimes less is more. leaves mystery. ASOIAF is incredible at this.

[final trench]

Or buggy just asks him

[gloomy light]

Mihawk's backstory is paying Nusjuro for the title of WSS

[final trench]

The marines killed his mom💔💔💔

[deep chasm]

Or you dont? I feel like maybe youre just trying to bait. You dont need to introduce them any earlier. They dont require immortality to be alive as they currently are. You can introduce them in the exact same chapter and nothing changes besides that they arent as powerful. Same thing for the gorosei who would not have immortality form imu (you know the people who actually currently require imu to live)

[ornate tartan]

the buggy backstory of his life after the roger pirates disbanded is all but guaranteed too

[hot cairn]

what’s that

[thick mango]

Mihawk has no mom he was born when.a bolt of lightning hit a sword

[glass plume]

His origin as a whole, we don't know shit about him lol.

[grand flower]

That doesn’t really make sense. Kizaru’s conflict in Egghead begs the question of why he feels so committed to doing the WGs bidding. Theres absolutely a lot of room for Kizaru backstory

[civic dust]

😭 we really do not need that. He was just bumming around the east blue

[thick mango]

I think egghead was kizaru backstory I don't think he's getting any more either

[final trench]

Im convinced buggy got delivered by a stork bro

[brittle basin]

book series that inspired Game of Thrones

[final trench]

Yano kizaru

[pulsar timber]

I didn’t say there isn’t any more room I said I don’t think he’s getting a flashback

[grand flower]

You guys aren’t thinking about backstory properly

[pulsar timber]

If he does get one it’ll be the same as Fujitora and greenbull

[blazing depot]

Here is the print I got from Jonah Scott, Kata’s English VA

[grand flower]

Backstory gives us understanding for why a character is the way they are now

[glass plume]

sick

[final trench]

Kizaru and sentomaru both come from yano in the same gang

[grand flower]

We have a question about Kizaru

[pulsar timber]

I wouldn’t really mind or care if those 3 didn’t get one

[ornate tartan]

yoooo😭😭😭🔥🔥

[grand flower]

So we’re probably getting backstory

[blazing depot]

The funniest thing is that most of the guests are refusing or charging extra for funko pops 😭

[final trench]

Remember, he still the yellow MONKEY

[soft tangle]

Accusing me of bait after saying I have bad logic seems so strange and you are repeating the same points I addressed already. Does me saying I’d like a different story, which I’d find better, without Imu have to be so arguable?

[final trench]

He’s gonna meet luffy again

[glass plume]

Everyone hates funko pops, lol.

[thick mango]

This standard means we have dozens of backstories left to get, maybe a hundred. Which I don't think is the case

[blazing depot]

No it’s mainly cuz people immediately sell on eBay

[glass plume]

And hate them

[brittle basin]

Akainu would probably have the backstory that interests me most. but that's because he's so extreme in his ideology, so it provokes question. kizaru I couldn't care less about his backstory. Aokiji i'd be fine either way

[deep chasm]

yea because your logic is horrible. And sometimes its hard to believe someones logic would be that bad

[final trench]

We must know why he hates pirates

[blazing depot]

Also another cool fact about the dub I learned from Jonah is that they don’t do auditions for most of the characters, but offer to specific people. He did however audition for most of the important male charlottes

[soft tangle]

How is it bad again?

[dense haven]

we need akainu backstory for his redemption arc

[glass plume]

I think it's possible that Xebec raided one of Sakazuki's homes or something.

We know that the Rocks pirates raided ports and islands etc.

[dense haven]

bro stop it

you cant make rocks evil

[wraith mantle]

akainu bombing that evac ship was crazy

[thick mango]

People who love their family can still be evil

[brittle basin]

true

look at me

[torpid cosmos]

Ussop summon imu sama in Looby

[pulsar timber]

Makes sense. Wanting certain voice actors for character archetypes

[brittle basin]

Imu in Fortnite when? Can I stab noobs with my tail?

shoot them with my giant shotgun?

[glass plume]

2040

[final trench]

I think rocks killed his father

[brittle basin]

Film Imu when?

[wraith mantle]

only if his father was a corrupt piece of shit

[glass plume]

That's certainly possible.

[final trench]

The admiral died 56 years ago, akainu 55, it takes 9 months to make a baby

[wraith mantle]

[brittle basin]

shit, that's not off the table technically lol

[final trench]

Bada boom bada bing

[blazing depot]

Yes if I recall they offered Rocks to Paul St Peter on the spot

[torpid cosmos]

First time in history side character will kill main villan

[final trench]

Excellent

[pulsar timber]

What if akainus parents are alive and he just grew up in a pirate hating household

[brittle basin]

i'd be careful calling BB a side character

we don't get a lot of him, but he's important

[final trench]

So akainu is micheal myers

[glass plume]

"Beware Sakazuki, if you go too deep into the forest pirates are going to come and get you!"

[final trench]

Interesting

[brittle basin]

yo just like real life. goda.

[thick mango]

Akainu would be a kid right around rocks era

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-myers-scary-creepy-1978-gif-17430160

[stone terrace]

Akainus dad being killed by pirates would be the most milquetoast thing ever

[final trench]

I mean shi

[torpid cosmos]

Black beard thre skull flag and imu have three skull on tail 💀💀💀💀

[thick mango]

It is boring but it's the easiest answer

[ashen perch]

Sakazuki's father was a kind brilliant man who loved puppies and owned a cute red dog and then Xebec came in and killed him and killed his dog

[brittle basin]

it's fine. not the most original motivation

but it works

[final trench]

Akainu named himself after the dog?

[ashen perch]

yeah

[final trench]

Slight aura overload

[brittle basin]

what in the john wick fuck???

[final trench]

Im impressed

[glass plume]

It would be crazy if Roger was the one who killed Sakazuki's parents, maybe in one of Roger's rage moments when someone insults his friends, Garp said that he slaughtered an entire army etc.

[final trench]

But yea if rocks didnt kill his father

Id say akainu is from a non affiliated WG island and pirates would keep raiding him

[thick mango]

Akainu loved the celestial dragons so much he named himself dog to highlight his dedication and loyalty

[wraith mantle]

which is why roger couldn't be nika maybe

[final trench]

He was drawn posted up with a knife

[wraith mantle]

he wasnt him

[brittle basin]

that'd be kind of sick

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gol-d-roger-whitebeard-anime-whitebeard-vs-roger-gif-24000633

“Lol fuck your crew”

Rogers honest reaction:

[glass plume]

Just like against Squard

[brittle basin]

Who is Luffy's Squard?

[wraith mantle]

no one

[final trench]

Jinbei

[civic dust]

😭 every time he found a fruit it was just the magnet fruit

[brittle basin]

Barto stabs Luffy in the Final War /s

[glass plume]

Uh... That one fodder who they kept for information.

[wraith mantle]

luffy has no enemies

[final trench]

“Why did you defend shanks luffy, I COULDVE DIED” barto the cannibal

[hot cairn]

Akainu is a dog for the WG

[brittle basin]

Kaido crawls out from the earth and stabs Luffy in the Final War.

[glass plume]

Luffy: "MY son..!"

[brittle basin]

[hot cairn]

it’s true

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-dragon-one-piece-gif-21215657

WOROROROROR

[glass plume]

Brook: "I'll take this one..! YOHOHOHO"

[final trench]

Its like 2012 shredder

[wraith mantle]

bone on bone violence

[final trench]

“After 10 years…monkey d luffy is DEAD”

Imu just floods the entire world

[civic dust]

More I thought about what if Laffitte gives garp to the WG once Imu realizes they are gonna need to lure Luffy to the holy land. Akainu would probably just be ok with that. Akainu would 100% hate garp that he does the exact opposite of the type of marines akainu wants and created akainus top Opps

[digital spear]

I hope Oda finds this guy

[grand flower]

I’m sure you can start listing them one by one and a bunch of those won’t have questions as pertinent to their arc’s narrative as Kizaru’s conflict, because that conflict depends on Kizaru having a reason to follow the WG as compelling as his relationship with VP and it’s a question of what the former is

Questions like “who is likely to get flashback/backstory” is heavily dependent on story structure

Not vibes, breaking it down to the skeleton

[clever idol]

Shuronte

[final trench]

Next backstories i see(not counting VC)

Blackbeard
Akainu
More of shanks
Gecko moria
Mihawk
Roger
Kuzan
Buggy

[clever idol]

How r u

[final trench]

And nami, because wtf happened at oykot

[alpine trench]

Moria’s story got revealed in SBS

[final trench]

We not done

[alpine trench]

We are

[final trench]

Kozuki moria lives

[alpine trench]

It’s over

[clever idol]

And hes from god valley now

[brittle basin]

Kizaru's has been semi-answered with Kuma's backstory at least. Maybe we get more, but I"m not sure.

[final trench]

Ight bet stay on that side

[alpine trench]

It’s joever

[prisma idol]

Man I love the it was revealed in the sbs bit now

[hot cairn]

harsh what did you think of Imu’s design

[alpine trench]

Fucking awesome

[hot cairn]

fr

[clever idol]

Its one of the coolest in the series

[alpine trench]

I love the fact that this motherfucker looks a lot like all the races he erased

[remote maple]

one winged angel starts playing

[clever idol]

[brittle basin]

!meek

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1446300848891101275/hey_guys.mp4?ex=6934cda1&is=69337c21&hm=9e287afdfe9fa3539ad425d03605119e92c595cbebd4039a9bbce99fb4269eef&

[alpine trench]

I like the fact that Imu is this edgelord archetype

[remote maple]

he's one of the oh no he's hot

[glass plume]

Imu looks like the personification of the devil.

I love it.

[hot cairn]

Perfect contrast for G5

[alpine trench]

But it works for him being this edge lord because he’s the devil on earth

[leaden rivet]

Not enough goat

[alpine trench]

Yeah it’s everything Luffy isn’t

[remote maple]

he honestly reminds me of soul eater

[prisma idol]

The oddly sympathetic Imu almost anime protag thing, at the beginning of the chapter was my favorite

[remote maple]

he looks straight out of soul eater

probably is a kishin

🤔

[leaden rivet]

My favorite part of this chapter is the fact that his abilities are related to devil fruits

[prisma idol]

No dont go dont sacrifice yourself MC

No I have to to save everyone and everything we dreamed

[glass plume]

When is the Imu novel releasing?

[leaden rivet]

I’m glad he didn’t pull magic out of his ass

[prisma idol]

In 2029

[glass plume]

Day 1 buy.

[remote maple]

devil fruit devil fruit

[alpine trench]

I am waiting to see how Stephen Paul will translate the devil fruit thing

[hot cairn]

me too

[alpine trench]

If it’s Devil Fruit or Devil’s Fruit

[hot cairn]

maybe the first one

[alpine trench]

I wish I didn’t get spoiled so bad this chapter

[remote maple]

did meek talk about it

[hot cairn]

in Spanish it’s “La fruta del diablo”

[alpine trench]

There’s a note in the chapter

[hot cairn]

The Devil Fruit

[leaden rivet]

It’s such a momentous chapter it’s hard to imagine staying spoiler free

[hot cairn]

dang

[alpine trench]

I have resigned myself yeah

[remote maple]

I managed to not get spoiled

[alpine trench]

It’s ok

[hot cairn]

I didn’t get spoiled

[leaden rivet]

This is probably the biggest op event since G5

[hot cairn]

I read that chapter blind

[alpine trench]

I got spoiled by some fucking random reel pull

[pulsar timber]

Elbaf I have been unable to sta unspoiled for majority of the reveals so I’m surprised I didn’t get spoiled on imus design

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t even know you read one piece anymore

[remote maple]

you gotta trick your social media into thinking you dont like one piece

[brittle basin]

i stayed unspoiled, but it was obvious it was going to be Imu's face reveal.

[glass plume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1sb49qd/i_tried_nerona_imu/
so peak..

[hot cairn]

but yeah if you are viz only you’re cooked

[leaden rivet]

Please keep his skin dark gray or black

It look so good this way

[brittle basin]

THAT'S IT. That's the one fanart I've liked so far, because it helps give Imu a memorable silhouette.

[prisma idol]

The ability thing makes me hope it isn't an actual DF

[remote maple]

same

[grand flower]

I think the story left the question of what makes Kizaru so attached to fulfilling his duty open for a reason

[remote maple]

I hope his ability isn't devil fruit it's like the origin of devil fruits

[grand flower]

Fruit of the devil, no?

Viz will probably say that

[hot cairn]

or The Devil Fruit

[alpine trench]

Yeah same, if it is the actual devil giving him powers I’m totally down for

[hot cairn]

could go both ways

[alpine trench]

That’s technically “Devil’s Fruit” then isn’t it

[soft tangle]

You are right, I just don’t like it. We are never told about his interaction with Shanks or why he made his hobby suicide attempts instead of fighting the other Yonko (legacy defining either way). Yes, you are right. Kizaru and of course Kuzan have been given spotlight. Sengoku, Kong, and maybe Tsuru are all gonna be left behind though. Garp shouldn’t be the only interesting character for the world government (no Imu and Koby has taken an insane shift in direction).

[leaden rivet]

Do you read op in Spanish

I had a good site for it originally but they only had Spain Spanish

[ornate tartan]

imus df power is written in katakana instead of kanji, and usually when this is the case that means it has a special or unusual nuance

[glass plume]

It's so good.

[brittle basin]

I am still convinced it's all connected to this: Going down into the earth for energy/resources gives me hell energy vibes. But I could easily be wrong.

[alpine trench]

I think this is Joyboy’s kingdom

[hot cairn]

not really, but when there’s big chapters like this one I like to watch reactions so I see some Spanish channels and see the translations there.

[leaden rivet]

Join the Spanish discord server then

[hot cairn]

do you prefer to read it in English or in Spanish?

[leaden rivet]

Well it’s dead anyway

[ornate tartan]

it is functionally different then all other devil fruits down to a t

[prisma idol]

My current favorite theory is that Imu's ability is what the DFs are based on, and that Imu himself can grant abilities via contract like "Taking a bite of the Devil's fruit" and thats why the gorosei don't have fruit names in their intro

[brittle basin]

Do you think his was the ancient kingdom itself? I've also seen thoughts this is from an even previous world that was like ours in terms of city structures.

[hot cairn]

there’s a Spanish discord server???

[small ember]

Yeah but idk, like a full on 1v1 in the throne room??

[ornate tartan]

looks like enies lobby buildings

[small ember]

I guess the whole world would see

[brittle basin]

personaly, i'm just seeing generic buildings like if I was in NY or something

[leaden rivet]

I’ve been rereading it in Spanish because I’m losing my Spanish a bit lol since I never use it. I think I’m getting better in English than Spanish.

[hot cairn]

I just feel like people think this is the only option because of what happened in another series

[buoyant comet]

アクマ(akuma)の(no)実(mi) directly translates to "The Devil's Fruit".
The no (の) is a possessive indicator so it directly implies the fruit is that of the devil.
Only new thing is the fact that Oda used the katakana アクマ spelling of akuma, instead of his usual spelling of 悪魔 in kanji.

[leaden rivet]

I’m afraid to reach no Sabo kid status so I need to pick things up

[brittle basin]

This is my thought process, as well.

[ornate tartan]

the mystery of why enies lobby has constant daylight with no night time and a huge crater will be solved soon enough

[hot cairn]

I see

[hot cairn]

lol that’s fair, where is your family from?

[pulsar timber]

Shanks interaction I think is going to be saved for shanks flashback and I think overall it’s not that important for kaidos character. Kaido attempts suicide as a hobby because he’s bored and is geniunely depressed. He knows he can’t actually die from those attempts. He doesn’t fight the other emperors because he has been building an army to create a global war that creates the world that he envisions. He can’t do that if he recklessly loses his men to a useless battle with an emperor

[hot cairn]

I wonder if that means Imu has THE first devil fruit in existence

[grand flower]

Yeah fruit of the devil woukd be literal

[small ember]

Oh i didn’t even know that lol, i honestly don’t think it should be a full on usual big Shonen battle. Would lose none of the impact if its done simply or sneakily

[pulsar timber]

If you don’t like it that’s fine I just don’t get the logic in how imu is somehow sapping away depth and whatever from other characters, especially ones that are fully explored

[brittle basin]

I think my hope is Imu is just pure devilry. Like either possessed by a devil or moon demon thingy, or made a deal with the devil thingy.

[glass plume]

I kinda hope they're just a reincarnation of the devil or something.

Maybe reincarnation from back in the first world.

[small ember]

This has to be why they wanted Devon to copy Saturn no? Don’t remember how Rocks got in but BB needs some kind of plan to see what 0.0004% of the OP world has seen

Buuuuut that secrecy may change since Imu is out and about

Wonder if someone leaks what happens on Elbaf to the world

[soft tangle]

It’s just my fanfiction man. I just don’t like the execution so far of an Immortal-being being in control of everything. It’s hard to actually describe this without being inside my head where I’m thinking of everything.

[hot cairn]

it’s just feels lazy and boring to me if BB takes Imu’s power. I think it’s just a personal preference tbh

[wise vector]

Do you think Imu will kill someone in Elbaf

[glass plume]

Wasn't that kind of just a luck thing though, I don't think that Blackbeard knew of Saturn being on Egghead.
At least Devon and Auger didn't seem to know until they arrived there.

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard is not underhandedly killing imu. It’s not even his MO. Blackbeard has beat every major opponent he’s faced head on. Only person he cheated was whiteboard and that’s because his life was on the line. The scenario yall present would have to have Blackbeard simply beat imu, not come last second and clip him or something

[hot cairn]

probably not

[brittle basin]

Yes, I'm leaning towards this, as well. But her's could also just be for the seraphim. We also have to remember Lafitte is still around Marijoa and we don't know what his powers are still right?

[pulsar timber]

Ace, Marco, shanks, law. All head on

[glass plume]

I agree 100% someone just taking Imu's power would be extremely lame.

[brittle basin]

one can only hope.

[buoyant comet]

Remember how in the first world mural there was a line saying man succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun. I think it's kind of an analogy to Imu eating the devil fruit humans were barred from eating, like basically Adam and Eve eating the forbidden apple.

[small ember]

Yeah I don’t want that, like literally I just would want him to kill Imu and that’s it if we do get it

[brittle basin]

Nice interpretation. I originally saw it as man obtaining energy from a demonic source.

or it could be nuclear war

[glass plume]

I think the most likely option is that Blackbeard and Luffy defeat Imu together.

[hot cairn]

that’s a really good idea ngl, it would make a lot of sense

[glass plume]

With the world behind them.

[small ember]

Yeah it could be luck. Maybe they just kinda went oh wait we can kill Imu this way

[pulsar timber]

I think it’s interesting because he isn’t actually in control of everything. It’s a facade. Men disobey all the time and don’t do shit. Saturn, imus closest officer, disobeyed orders to further research. Oda is saying things here

[buoyant comet]

That could also be possible, because it kinda looks that way in the mural

[hot cairn]

it’s just kinda boring

[brittle basin]

he did, and he paid a heavy price for it.

[balmy field]

you not banned yet?

[buoyant comet]

We live to see another day 💪

[soft tangle]

Yeah so then we get to the point where it’s choose a legacy defining death or take over the world. Then you get the Joyboy stuff it becomes a mess of what the true goal was. He’s the one who betrayed Big Mom and if he wanted to the rule the world they could align. I think the Shanks moment is important for his character too.

[small ember]

Yeah this is a good point. Like I don’t necessarily want BB to kill Imu but given the whole thing with Rocks and his promise/the throne room it could be done well. Not to say BB couldn’t or wouldn’t full on fight him or isn’t capable, but being sneaky isn’t out of character. On the flip side, he could easily make a spectacle of it too.

[ornate tartan]

maybe jarul and some unamed giant warriors, no one else of importance. most definitely not a strawhat

[brittle basin]

boooooooooooooo

[small ember]

BB with Imu’s power would be lame. Save Imu’s power for Imu

[brittle basin]

kill someone oda

kill Hajrudin

[thick mango]

Why not both? That's kinda how marineford went. Sneak and spectacle

[brittle basin]

Imu should kill Road......Goda.

[ornate tartan]

nah he gotta realize his dream first

[brittle basin]

nope. death.

[thick mango]

If anyone is dying I think jarul and gaban are in greatest danger

[brittle basin]

no dreams for you

[trim lily]

SO TRUE

[thick mango]

But it's oda, everyone will live probably

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard doesn’t go about things the same way

[pulsar timber]

The idea and hope is that the legacy defining death comes in the world that he created. He heard the legend of Joyboy, someone who would potentially match and give him the glorious death he seeked. It’s not so much ruling the word but the world that he creates. He wants your worth to be solely based on strength. He says this in words. Big mom wants a different thing entirely

[trim lily]

road should sacrifice himself for the greater good

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard faces people he’s confident in head on

[brittle basin]

make me feel something with a death again oda

[small ember]

Yeah that’s also true. Like not to say BB is a coward but can’t rule out subterfuge

[leaden rivet]

But he will ambush people he’s less confident

[brittle basin]

Road should die for Nami's sake

[leaden rivet]

He tricked Whitebeard, he snuck Hancock and he ambushed Law

It’s part of what Shanks was trying to tell Whitebeard

He waits in the shadows he’s an opportunist

[thick mango]

He has the Devon seraphim card that we know about. That's gonna be big. But I'm sure he's got other tricks we can't imagine yet

[small ember]

This is what I was trying to get at lol

[small ember]

True true, I’m sure he’ll have wild stuff up his sleeve. BB is a wildcard and that’s why he’s a fun villain

[thick mango]

The wg is gonna roll up to some fight with seraphim expecting like a 10v5 in their favor and instead get a 10v5 in bb favor plus surprise . It's gonna be a slaughter

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/wildcard-gif-7250539

[pulsar timber]

These are different scenarios from what I imagine Blackbeard fans are saying when imu. I imagine Blackbeard comes when imu is near dead after fighting luffy and just takes his power last second. That I don’t think is happening. Not that way if it happens. I imagine it would be more like how you said, some kind of trick or whatever

I also just obviously don’t think it’s happening but for more meta reasons

[ornate tartan]

that’s so predictable man😂

[small ember]

What I wanna see expounded/displayed more of is BB as a foil to Luffy. Already established but I wanna see more of his brain and what makes him tick

[pulsar timber]

I want his brain to stop working so he dies

[brittle basin]

it's fine if something is predictable, as long as it's executed well.

[pulsar timber]

I think it’s shit however it’s cut

Would be very disappointed

[soft tangle]

I think Big Mom would easily help Kaido if she got King’s genes in her family ☝️

[pulsar timber]

I mean she was already helping. Big mom fits into his ideal society because she is strong

[brittle basin]

Although, if BB's fruit is needed to stop Imu, I guess that would mean Imu has a DF power technically?

[small ember]

Yeah execution on top

[vernal ravine]

i mean literally

[small ember]

Again I do not really want Sabo killing Akainu or Imu lol

[pulsar timber]

In an ideal and in the likely world, Luffy is killing both imu and Blackbeard

[small ember]

Yes

[trim lily]

i would’ve said the other fruit that rocks needed was nika since both nidhogg and nika can apparently ignore domi reversi, but that can’t be possible since rocks somehow didn’t know about nika

[vernal ravine]

let the davy clan got their revenge

[brittle basin]

Sabo can kill Akainu if it's his way of avenging Ace. I think Luffy is beyond him now despite the emotions he feels about Ace.

[trim lily]

ideally in two separate situations

[brittle basin]

Davy clan revenge is a neat idea. But I probably need to know more about that ancient conflict.

[small ember]

This makes sense ngl, still think Id rather Luffy fight Akainu bc he killed his brother right in front of his eyes. But not like edgy rage mode revenge lol

[brittle basin]

If Luffy fights and kills Akainu, that's cool too. He has a clear-cut reason to do so after all.

[small ember]

But the new bearer of the Mera Mera would make sense too if done well

[leaden rivet]

I mean he takes down Whitebeard pretty much after allowing him to be greatly weakened and defeated, then ambushes him and steals his power, how is that so different from the theorized Imu steal?

[thick mango]

In the new stakes of the end I don't think akainu is important enough for luffy

[pulsar timber]

Yeah

[small ember]

Dragon vs Akainu hmmm

[ornate tartan]

imu more then likely will die to his own power or have blackbeard steal it rather then luffy murdering him

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[ornate tartan]

and as for blackbeard he’s going to drown

[pulsar timber]

Akainu final@villain debates died ages ago it’s crazy some still bring him up

[brittle basin]

I really don't know who Dragon will fight, if anyone.

[dense pike]

Akainu watching the final war from the sidelines

[stone terrace]

garling

[brittle basin]

I guess Garling is fine after GV.

[thick mango]

Sabo dragon squad of grand fleet idk he's got lots of non luffy options

[frigid gulch]

The ghost of Rocks defeats him once again

[brittle basin]

I would like to actually see Dragon with a power or something though.

[small ember]

Nah no way he’s final villain

[frigid gulch]

[small ember]

But a big win nonetheless

[leaden rivet]

Thing is part of Blackbeard is coming back and taking back the throne, so I imagine he gets farther than rocks did but ultimately fails

So I feel like he’ll be on the throne at one point

[frigid gulch]

This time with the dark dark fruit

[pulsar timber]

I guess functionally the same but I don’t think the imu version works as well narratively and that’s not even me trying to be biased and protect imu

[frigid gulch]

[small ember]

Yeah I wanna see a full on unhinged BB on the throne lol

[prisma idol]

TRUEEEEE

[vernal ravine]

was ever once a debate ?

[frigid gulch]

He better not run

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think Blackbeard will ever actually be in an actualized version of his goal

[frigid gulch]

[prisma idol]

Yeah

Same here

[pulsar timber]

Once upon ago

[brittle basin]

I think BB will obtain "the world" whatever that means in this context.

[rich hornet]

Nah he will. Or very close

[small ember]

Yeah BB won’t actually win win

[alpine trench]

i agree he will get close

[prisma idol]

I believe Before Imu and people who thought the Gorosei werent fighters there was an argument

[brittle basin]

he will still lose, but become that which he desires if at least for a moment.

[prisma idol]

As like the Big Strong guy if the WG you had to take down

[pulsar timber]

Close yes. Succeed? No

[brittle basin]

i think Rocks is being avenged bare minimum.

[alpine trench]

but somehow him not coming completely into prominence and oda going for the world government being the ultimate threat is throwing me off a bit

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think rocks has to be avenged

[prisma idol]

See, I dont think he will, he will get close but be stopped by luffy. Because him Achieving his goals seems like it would be genuinely bad for the world

[rich hornet]

Bad things should happen. It’s darkest before the dawn. And the dawn is coming

[brittle basin]

My definition of achieving his goals is killing Imu more or less. 'cause that would make him "the world" in this context.

[prisma idol]

Like we will get why and all his reasons, but like I don't think he will actually get what he wants

[brittle basin]

does he get Imu's powers? Maybe? I don't really know.

maybe he's a kraken zoan

[prisma idol]

I dont see him killing imu or getting his powers.

[trim lily]

i was a non fighter gorosei believer, but i should’ve known this was a battle shonen

[pulsar timber]

I’m of the opinion that Blackbeard isn’t revenge driven so I don’t think rocks will be or needs to be avenged

[vernal ravine]

i don't know how can you think that akainu could be the final villain when the promised fight between luffy and teach is established since impel down

they were watching marine piece

[dense haven]

bb will always live in rocks shadow

[brittle basin]

Yeah, I'm sticking with "he kills Imu and avenges his father." Strange Oda included the Terminator's "I'll be back" if it's nothing more than throwaway without consequences.

[prisma idol]

I see Rocks will being passed more through Loki than to BB and BB is wearing a messed up amalgamation of what he THINKS his dad wanted

[rich hornet]

That’s so boring

[prisma idol]

Out of everything, Him getting imu's powers is the the thing I DON'T want to happen the most

[brittle basin]

After seeing the horrors of the CDs at God Valley, vengence is probably on BB's mind. And I think he will get to taste it.

[rich hornet]

He doesn’t have to, just Imu’s throne

[prisma idol]

Honestly always following in Shounen tropes to build your theories is the best way to always be right with OP

[brittle basin]

But he might've even awakened the Yami at this point and it's powers could be far worse than Imu's for all we know.

[prisma idol]

Its so tropey

[brittle basin]

I was pro the gorosei being fighters. It was fine I guess.

[thick mango]

I could be wrong but my conception of bb doesn't care about vengeance

[scenic dirge]

Someone help me get more on board with Imu's design

[vernal ravine]

some elders leading a whole organisation with no power in a battle shonen mmm

[trim lily]

i assume it’s part of his motivation but it’s not his sole motivation

[prisma idol]

BB feels more to me as a rival character in shounen than a Final Villain in shounen if that makes sense. Not that he isnt a villain

[thick mango]

You have to care about other people to seek vengeance on their behalf

[pulsar timber]

Step 1: don’t be a loser

[scenic dirge]

Someone besides muk

[civic dust]

its davys will thats important not just rocks will

[prisma idol]

I say wait for next chaoter so you can get a proper look at all of it

[brittle basin]

But I remember Bean saying "the Gorosei are not fighters and better as political pawns." Ultimately, i wonder if he had the better opinion in the regard.

[trim lily]

he mightve cared about his mother and idolized the stories of rocks

[pulsar timber]

On a serious note it’ll probably grow on you the more apperances we get and seeing it in motion

[trim lily]

yeah just give it a few chaps

[pulsar timber]

People hated kaidos hybrid on the first drop and now a lot of people like it

[brittle basin]

I still don't like Kaido's hybrid.

[prisma idol]

Rocks inherited Davy's will which i still think was passed to Loki

[trim lily]

i disliked loki but it grew on me after a few chaps

[scenic dirge]

The quality of the design is very good. it's more to do with how it fits in one piece

[pulsar timber]

Well I’m gonna take your lunch money now

[brittle basin]

*beer money

[hot cairn]

wdym

[thick mango]

I don't think he did but that's just gut feeling speculation. My ideal version of him is just pure selfishness power as freedom needs no external motivation

[scenic dirge]

I'm just getting a bit of whiplash from it

[celest mauve]

it's from a completely different era, that's how I see it

[pulsar timber]

I think it is supposed to be like that Evan

[vernal ravine]

i remember reading before elbaph that usopp would beat loki

[pulsar timber]

You just have to get used to it

[prisma idol]

Once again, let it settle in the next few chapters and see how it fits in the area we are in. We barely saw anything of it this chapter but what we have seen is cool

[alpine trench]

i think imu is definitively the most important antagonist of the story now

[civic dust]

its not gonna be that lol. loki represents his own god now while BB is clearly shown carrying forwards davys will

[scenic dirge]

Simply not fat or gay enough of a design 🤷‍♀️

[celest mauve]

huh

[glass plume]

Huh..

[prisma idol]

What

[stone terrace]

[scenic dirge]

My favorite one piece villain designs are BB, BM, Doffy/Croc

[ornate tartan]

this is true

[rich hornet]

This is why BB makes better villain material

[glass plume]

Because he is fat?

[scenic dirge]

Exactly

[alpine trench]

fat chud villain >>>>

[trim lily]

blackbeard is both fat and bisexual so he’s perfect

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/annoyed-monkey-3amskypecall

[thick mango]

I'm kinda with you on not loving it initially but the one aspect i do like is the world getting turned to demons at his arrival appreciating the drums of oppression

[stone terrace]

I dont dislike it so thats all that matters

[scenic dirge]

Honestly yea I agree, the best part of his arrival was the dark homification of the surroundings. That was very cool

[hot cairn]

I see, that’s fair

[alpine trench]

big mom has technically returned through imu

[scenic dirge]

wait true

[pulsar timber]

Imu is just devoid of the usual one piece whimsy and people are offput

[alpine trench]

adam must be very happy

[scenic dirge]

let me consult the Adumb

@strong wadi Is this a good enough BM return for you?

[prisma idol]

Imu instead of putting parts of his soul in the houses demons are called and possess the Houses and trees

[glass plume]

People would definitely complain if he was whimsy as they'd say "Is this how the final villain is supposed to be? I feel no tension."

[strong wadi]

No but BM will be here soon enough

[glass plume]

Remember people hate on Gear 5, STILL.

[alpine trench]

arsaldumb needs to know as well @ashen perch stupid bitch

[pulsar timber]

Adam are you ready for witch hat mondays

[prisma idol]

Demon King Imu

[strong wadi]

Yes but I’ll probably be trying to watch that one with a friend so might not be able to watch it on Mondays

[hot cairn]

Imu looks kinda gay tho…

[brittle basin]

Big Mom upscale

[alpine trench]

downscale honestly

[ornate tartan]

if we are talking about a villian that shoulders all the hate of the entire world and is the cause of piracy and all suffering imu is the most important antagonist, and the void century conflict which looms over the story he is the center of it too

BB is a good character but i don’t know how he will become that monumental of an opposition and represent the final evil to the world at whole in such a short time, he feels more like a personal enemy and rival of luffy for his dream of pirate king

however things can change quickly and im glad to see how it turns out

[brittle basin]

mods, "take care" of harsh.

[strong wadi]

Yall already know Luffy and Loki ain’t enough to handle Imu, BM with Kaido’s soul gonna have to step in

[trim lily]

i still find it funny just how on the nose evil imu is

[alpine trench]

i mean

i welcome it

[hot cairn]

you will never give up will you…

[alpine trench]

its also not as if he's not vulnerable

[glass plume]

Imu has 800 years of lore behind them, it's going to be so interesting seeing it all.

[trim lily]

usually you’d have villains disguise their evil with their own motivation but imu literally calls it the power of evil

[alpine trench]

imu has deeply human reactions to shit

[strong wadi]

I’ll only consider giving up if BM doesn’t show up on elbaf but there’s enough in-story stuff to think a reappearance will still happen

[pulsar timber]

Nothing will ever be as funny as doffy being called the champion of evil

[hot cairn]

BB can become that monumental opposition to be fair but I get what you mean

[scenic dirge]

Loki gonna have to do all the heavy lifting coz Luffy can't sustain G5 for more than 10 seconds at a time

[alpine trench]

i love the fact that you're still on this ship

[trim lily]

nether can loki though apparently

[scenic dirge]

oh god we're cooked

[alpine trench]

neither kid nor big mom have been seen though an inkling

[strong wadi]

Being big is hard, Kaido really showed those whippersnappers what’s up

[pulsar timber]

Luffy, Loki, were good. Roronoa Zoro is here.

[hot cairn]

like what?

[scenic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-lebron-ben-simmons-is-here-colin-cowherd-lebron-gif-3484546073868888993

[strong wadi]

Pudding’s kidnapping and the BM pirates taking down Maha or whichever cp0 agent that was

[grand flower]

I do this and that and that’s alright

[hot cairn]

do you think Oda will actually give the strawhats a defeat here?

[scenic dirge]

depends on what that means

[strong wadi]

Kuma is there just to help the sh pirates escape again

[stone terrace]

The big mom bet ... WILL NEVER END

[hot cairn]

I see

[scenic dirge]

They're obviously not defeating Imu. My guess is Imu is forced to retreat because we already have seen some potential drawbacks to them leaving Marie Geoise

[civic dust]

Oda already built up imu having a time limit. I think the tree will burn down but all the SHs will be fine

[scenic dirge]

Think that's really the only way the SHs survive this

[hot cairn]

imagine

[ornate tartan]

so if that does happen does the arc just end there

[scenic dirge]

Sure

[alpine trench]

would you all have liked a female imu

[strong wadi]

Combined ACoC burst will probably send him back since he used the portal to teleport

[scenic dirge]

Doesn't have to happen next chapter lol

[prisma idol]

Guys what if imu kills everyone and OP ends

[hot cairn]

yeah it looks like leaving the castle takes a toll on him

[strong wadi]

Also another void century thing will come down from the heaven of elbaf

[glass plume]

I think what we got is absolute perfection.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-jumping-spongebob-the-greatest-day-of-my-life-spongebob-this-is-the-greatest-day-of-my-life-gif-13475998436335890429

[hot cairn]

perhaps

[ornate tartan]

i think there will be more things we see around the world before oda decides to wrap up elbaph

[scenic dirge]

There is also the heaven realm yea

That has to be significant

[prisma idol]

You just arent thinking hard enough

[hot cairn]

idk

[strong wadi]

First we got Zunesha, then Emmet, now it’s time for #3 to be in the heaven realm

[glass plume]

The flying whale.

[civic dust]

imu will the need a way to lure Luffy to marijoa since he can’t leave anymore. This is where the garp trade comes into play

[scenic dirge]

All the giants that went to Valhalla return as super ghosts and make Imu flee

[glass plume]

Imu can just kidnap literally anyone from the crew and Luffy would be on his way.

[strong wadi]

That’s giving Brook’s awakening

[hot cairn]

Biblo

[glass plume]

Or Vivi.

[pulsar timber]

As long as she didn’t look like the fan art imu

[civic dust]

He can’t. It’s already been stated he can’t bring anyone without a mark through the portals

[alpine trench]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HCbnGJ0X0AExS4b.gif

[prisma idol]

Imu cuts the elbaf tree in half, or picks up Mailbox's favorite sword

[hot cairn]

people were gooning for fem imu fan art

[strong wadi]

He turns them into an inanimate object first and then does it

[trim lily]

except this fanart of imu

[glass plume]

Let's be honest Imu can do more than the Holy Knights can when it comes to transporting people.
If Imu wanted to, they could probably place a temporary mark on someone just to transport them and then remove it.

[pulsar timber]

Yes that is my second favorite pre reveal imu fan art

[hot cairn]

this is tuff

[trim lily]

non binary full zoan

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/oath-fulfilled-aragorn-king-of-the-dead-lord-of-the-rings-return-of-the-king-gif-9006253697264640750

[civic dust]

we will see. I think this is a perfect place for garp to be played at. Also would be the reverse of marineford with garp being executed for his bloodline instead

[glass plume]

That's true, I do think that Garp will be executed though i don't think it's going to be at Marijoa but on Hachinosu.

[trim lily]

im really hoping garp gets executed

without a marineford-esque rescue

[civic dust]

Bb wants to trade him in. And imu would be in need of that now

[glass plume]

I'll be honest I don't think Imu cares much about Garp's disappearance.

[trim lily]

do you think imu or the gorosei would ever let blackbeard join the WG, especially given they know hes a davy

[glass plume]

The Marines as a whole are a faccade for them.

Sakazuki would probably care though.

[glass plume]

I don't think they would.

[dense pike]

façade

[civic dust]

He cares about luring Luffy to marijoa since he can’t leave to chase after him

[glass plume]

Vivi is the natural way for Luffy to go to Marijoa.

[digital magnet]

Imu throwing a tantrum

[hot cairn]

I don’t think so

[stone terrace]

Yea atp i think they tell blackbeard to go fuck themselves

Garp isnt worth that

[hot cairn]

that will be incredibly stupid if they do

[trim lily]

the way i imagined things going is they refuse blackbeard's offer and he uses that to further fuel outrage and dissent against the WG

[civic dust]

Imu has no knowledge of vivis connection to luffy lol

[trim lily]

i dont think people will take kindly to WG refusing save the hero of the marines

[glass plume]

They don't need to know, given Imu already plans to retrieve Vivi which will automatically bait in Luffy.

[stone terrace]

There wont be a people soon anyway

[civic dust]

Vivis capture also won’t be notified to the world like they can do with garps execution

[glass plume]

Luffy will find out either way.

[prisma idol]

I cant wait for the chapter the WG starts just Lulusia'ing every island. They almost have the mother flame consistently ready

[trim lily]

problem is, what the hell is the WG's long term plan here

[glass plume]

Vivi getting rescued from Imu has been set up ever since Imu said that they desire Vivi.

[civic dust]

Luffy does not have spy network like that lol

[thick mango]

My speculation on this is they'll agree if bb attacks the revos and breaks the siege. Which is doubly insulting to the marines if they wouldn't do it for garp but would do it to restore the cds luxuries

[trim lily]

if they flood the world how do they plan to survive when theyre going to shit over jsut a blockade

[digital magnet]

it potentially could.

Since vivi is with Morgans and Wapol.

If for example they decide to send Mars in his Yokai Demon form to capture them in the air. Well guess who is going to make newspaper about that

[trim lily]

their own population is physically useless and theyll run out of slaves

[glass plume]

I mean the white sea is always there...

[prisma idol]

Water becomes more available the closer it is to them, so they can do their own farms and have the slaves they have work it i assume is the idea

[trim lily]

theyll have water but it doesnt mean itll be very fishable

though maybe they have a grain and crop supply somewhere to help regrow

but i cant imagine the red line has soil

[thick mango]

I think if they could just fly and take down morgans balloon they woulda done it years ago

[civic dust]

Gorosei never leave their seats for stuff like this. Vivi is more set up to meet up with the SHs again if anything. She just sent out a message to them that they are still alive

[ashen perch]

No, Give it some time

[digital magnet]

make the pacifistas and seraphim to all the shit

[digital magnet]

I mean Imu gave these 5 the order to retrieve Vivi.

Yes ususally they wouldn't but since it's coming from Imu...I mean

[glass plume]

https://x.com/Linwich2/status/2040485421855949248/photo/1

Linzzz🥀 (@Linwich2)

Nerona Imu

#ONEPIECE〜 #ONEPIECE1179 #digitalart #artㅤㅤㅤㅤ #anime

X · Apr 4, 2026, 5:43 PM

[prisma idol]

They were able to make a fake forest

Im sure they can do regular plants as well

[digital magnet]

Greenbull has a new job then

[trim lily]

theyre gonna need york and greenbull or else theyre done for

[prisma idol]

The oddest part is their weapon if it is Uranus leaves the massive holes in the sea that dont close up where does it go, the water is mean?

[trim lily]

i think it just gets displaced

[glass plume]

Also Enies Lobby always having daylight.

[trim lily]

thats the only way the water level can rise

[digital magnet]

we should find out by throwing someone down there

[prisma idol]

It just falls all the way to hell

[digital magnet]

good place for spandam

I love how Oda has redrawn this panel even tho we got it in egghead

[glass plume]

He looks different there, maybe it's the small eyes?

[pulsar timber]

The massive forehead

[ruby cape]

many the teeth too

[pulsar timber]

Oda redraws all flashback scenes I believe. I think he once mentioned he prefers to redraw them rather than copy paste

[digital magnet]

egghead version

[glass plume]

Oh yeah it's definitely that.

The forehead is way too big on the new one.

[ruby cape]

it’s nice seeing how he changes it overtime lol

[digital magnet]

sabaody version

[ruby cape]

ngl probably my favourite one

[digital magnet]

yeah mine as well

[graceful belfry]

The five head-ification of One Piece characters

[digital magnet]

he looks wild there

[pseudo gulch]

Look how crisp the art was

[prisma idol]

As if it hadn't existed since the beginning

[graceful belfry]

His design was so sacred

[digital magnet]

prime Oda

[prisma idol]

Im so interested in seeing hoe imu fights

I need the next chapter NOW

[glass plume]

Like Sun Wukong probably.

[graceful belfry]

The post-Ace father reveal has just turned him into Ace but more manly

[ruby cape]

Sak release it NOW

[dapper tree]

Swordsman

[digital magnet]

wanna see imu moving with these goofy pants

[graceful belfry]

Hoe Imu fights

[prisma idol]

@native seal where is the chapter

[prisma idol]

Im typing to fast on my phone

[prisma idol]

Boooooo

[cosmic hamlet]

Did bluko just call imu a hoe?

[digital magnet]

now only the way he fights

[leaden rivet]

Do you imagine Luffy kills Imu? Like straight up?

[dapper tree]

Sorry he uses a Spartan Laser

[prisma idol]

I wanna see the magic circles being used again

[digital magnet]

noway he is using this dumb book again

[glass plume]

I want to see Imu lean on his weapon, like Sun Wukong balancing on the pole.

[digital magnet]

need some movement boxing

[trim lily]

bring back the devil trident

[prisma idol]

I mean a mix not just the book

[digital magnet]

yeah yeah probably a mix

[prisma idol]

He rides the black clouds

[digital magnet]

he is gonna do some unreal shit like Luffy did first in G5

[glass plume]

OOOOOH YEAH...

[prisma idol]

But he probably has wings

[cold steppe]

Just keep it simple and use every devil fruit

[dense pike]

I sure hope he uses it
-# The Devil Encyclopedia

[digital magnet]

next chapter is probably wings

[ruby cape]

Do you guys think the weapon’s from the book or its just his main weapon he has with him? At least in that form

[prisma idol]

Thats why Imu keeps an encyclopedia of DFs, to copy the abilities

[dense pike]

i think its one of the many enscryptions in that tome

[trim lily]

id rather book but its prob their main

[digital magnet]

I'm more interested in that

like wtf

[prisma idol]

It seems like its his main weapon of choice

[digital magnet]

is he storing demons in there

[glass plume]

Omnipotence.

[prisma idol]

The black halo?

[digital magnet]

yeye

[prisma idol]

I hope he can see through the eyes

[vernal ravine]

that's how he make the blob form i think

[dense pike]

DAS WHAT IM SAYIN
Blukos a knower

[prisma idol]

Please Oda have someone try to attack from the back and have the eyes turn to them and Imu attacks back

[glass plume]

Imu will probably fight a lot like Enel.

Though, more... Satanic magic stuff.

[digital magnet]

Enel was a good villain with god complex

how did enel fight again? spamming lighting right

[dense rapids]

@ashen perch

[glass plume]

He fought with his golden pole.

[dense pike]

I hope Loki does the hammer lightning thing again, but he does a more powerful version, and instead of dragging a lightning bolt from the sky, it drags down "lightning" from the moon 👀

[ruby cape]

I reckon Imu can shapeshift that weapon too. Don’t want it to just be a mythical Zoan weapon

[digital magnet]

oh true

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-vs-enel-funny-gif-24484207

[digital magnet]

Oda about mythical the shit ot of this staff and imus power

[glass plume]

Enel was also extremely acrobatic which Imu looks like he is too.

Like doing flips and shit while fighting.

Just ourgith flashy.

[prisma idol]

I dont think imu has a fruit

[digital magnet]

G5 version of it against Imu

[ruby cape]

Mythical this mythical that gets a bit outdated Shamrock’s Cerberus was cool but don’t want it to be repeated

[glass plume]

Reincarnation of the literal devil.

I think that if Imu's weapon was a mythical zoan it would definitely be a snake of some sort.

Imagine if he poked with it and out comes a giant snake.

It would be so cool.

It also looks like a serpent with the blades.

[trim lily]

woe, another 15 mythical zoans upon ye

[glass plume]

A serpent blade.

I also hope that Imu has a scythe of some sort.

[prisma idol]

I refuse because of the difference in how Imu's ability is laid out and the usual DF ability is laid out

[trim lily]

i dont think imu, shamrock and the gorosei have explicit devil fruits but i think theyre df related

like imu can give them out or whatever

[glass plume]

I think that Imu is the literal devil.

Reincarnated from the first world.

The first evil, or whatever.

[digital magnet]

yeah starting to think that as well. He is giving them his nightmares / demon power

[hot cairn]

Rei what did you think of the chapter

[prisma idol]

Thats what ive been saying, that they dont have DFs but that Imu hands out the ability in a sense. Giving them the devil's fruit of more power in exchange for their subservience

[hot cairn]

same

[prisma idol]

He tempts them into serving him

[ruby cape]

Yeah me too, even tho the serpent of hellfire is the red line defo I think it’s a title that’d also befit his main weapon with his characterisation as a devil (if it was a mythical Zoan, which I hope and am sure it ain’t)

[trim lily]

i dont like the idea of imu being like an actual devil but im good with it being a base power they got some time ago

[glass plume]

Yeah.

[trim lily]

i think i might be fighting against the current by still being anti god

[prisma idol]

It is inevitable

[digital magnet]

Him transforming also hurts him or at least seems to have a struggle..kinda?. Devil fruit transformations should be more smooth technically

[glass plume]

I think gods are cool.

[ruby cape]

the theories of Imu in Elbaf just being a proxy of the fruit itself which has a will of its own; I didn’t like those

heavily doubt those too lmfao

[prisma idol]

I think blobmu was a seal

[trim lily]

being outside and transforming is more painful for them

[royal orchid]

theory here, replace text later

[digital magnet]

oh that could be as well thats a seal or him being outside

just interesting to see

like damn bro always has to destroy suff in order to become this form?

[prisma idol]

Imagine immortality surgery is just turning you into that blob form and imu now transforming is removing that

[frigid gulch]

It does make sense that he has to do roundabout stuff like possession

[graceful belfry]

It was great. The follow up has to be strong, though. Which I’m confident it will be.

[ruby cape]

you reckon there could be costs attached to the immortality surgery that goes to the person who receives it

or we keeping it all on the doc dying

[trim lily]

just the doc