also-manga

[vital heart]

The fuck

Stop misinterpreting my words

@lofty fern

[lofty fern]

This is Viz

[vital heart]

Didn't i say that lol

[dense haven]

how did people get time limit from that lmao

[vital heart]

Yeah

[dense haven]

it was obvious loki just got annoyed trying to hit a small target in dragon form

[vital heart]

Way too long as in he shouldnt have been in the dragon form for so long because it was inefficient

Stop being disingenuous

[lofty fern]

This is TCB

[vital heart]

Way too long as in he shouldnt have been in the dragon form for so long because it was inefficient

[lofty fern]

Most people read that as Loki having a time limit on his big form

[dense haven]

op fans never beating the allegations

[lofty fern]

Like he was too big for too long because it was too taxing on his body

[vital heart]

Fucking idiots

Fucking fools

Fucking chuds

Idiots

[lofty fern]

Not because it was inefficient

[vital heart]

Idiotic chuds

[stone terrace]

Meek L

Tcb L

[vital heart]

I hope they go fuck themselves for misreading my words

[stone terrace]

Never reading again

[fluid cedar]

Why do u leave and rejoin the server every other week

[lofty fern]

Maybe write it better meek

[stone terrace]

Hpq is right

Thats a redundancy

[vital heart]

Maybe read it better

[stone terrace]

Remove the besides

Then that interpretation would be natural

[lofty fern]

I can't read it better if it's not written better

Very easy rewrite: "I shouldn't have stayed that big for so long, too inefficient..." or something like it

[vital heart]

mf

I am not saying "too inefficient"

Would loki say that?

[stone terrace]

Impractical then

[lofty fern]

Why wouldn't he? Do big words scare him? Or choose another word

Loki actually has a pretty silvery tongue if you remember how he talked from the very beginning. I can't see why he can't use words like "inefficient"

[prisma yacht]

Set your heart ablaze koby

[stone terrace]

Literally fixed

[prisma yacht]

Its time for you to inherit what is meant for you

RAHHHHHHHHHHH

[lofty fern]

eh....the connotation is still there

[stone terrace]

Its all one thought there

Saying besides denotes that theres something else to it

[pine ridge]

this definitely reads very differently to the viz version. The sentence being split apart and the second one starting with "besides" implies the being too big part for too long was a separate issue

[lofty fern]

The too long part suggests its a negative in reference to the time factor

[prisma yacht]

I did it, i completed their story

[vital heart]

Bruh

Okay

Sure

Whatever

[prisma yacht]

[vital heart]

I guess

@woven talon

Help me

[hoary steppe]

[prisma yacht]

😭

[stone terrace]

With this treasure i summon headass

[warm sierra]

This is base VIZ we are going up against

[lofty fern]

It seems French went with a similar approach,saying "I've stayed gigantic for too long", so I guess it would depend on the original Japanese meaning

And especially with his huffing at the end, it seems to give the implication that being huge, tired him out

[prisma yacht]

Where can we get the original japanese scans

[lofty fern]

The raws came out thursday I think

or friday

[brittle basin]

Oh, time to read Viz and judge Meek.

[royal orchid]

don't you love it when your professor requests each person in the class to do a random assignment that's over 6 pages long

hi guys

[muted hedge]

hi

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-gif-5562777388486596347

[prisma yacht]

So?

[wet condor]

Y'all lucky

[lofty fern]

No cheating

[wet condor]

Back in the day

[brittle basin]

I like Franky getting his upgrade and being ready to go all-in with Luffy, no questions asked.

[wet condor]

We didn't have them resources

[muted hedge]

4082

[royal orchid]

chatgpt might take longer because I'd have to make sure it doesn't sound like AI

[lofty fern]

Here's the original raw panel

[prisma yacht]

Thanks

[muted hedge]

i would be overjoyed if i got it before 4096 but the chance is slim

[royal orchid]

we have the original japanese raws

[wet condor]

Approaching that age where I can see "back in my day"

[balmy lava]

it does seem to translate like it was taxing using a few different services.

[royal orchid]

scans you might have to sniff around for

[lofty fern]

Franky feels like he's way too big for his britches considering only like 3 chapters ago, he was like "what are we gonna do?!!!"

[wet condor]

Your students ChatGPT things?

[vital heart]

"I, too, was giant for too long..." @lofty fern is the literal translation

[balmy lava]

all my D&D gang are teachers, and they say their kids use AI too much.

[prisma yacht]

Hope is the cruelest of the things

[prisma yacht]

Yeah lol

[lofty fern]

It feels like he was agreeing with Luffy's situation, going more toward your translation meek, but it's hard without context

[stone terrace]

New meta is do the assignment but so horribly that your teacher knows you couldnt have possibly used AI so they grade you easily

[muted hedge]

it's the last thing that leaves us

[balmy lava]

interesting that Loki being a giant is taxing on him.

[royal orchid]

problem: the way I write smells faintly of AI

[balmy lava]

(giant dragon)

[brittle basin]

He can jump higher now. Instant confidence boost.

[stone terrace]

Oof

Em dash user beat him with hammers

[brittle basin]

kuri ri. sorry but let's stay with squeak. it's cuter to English readers.

[wet condor]

I won't allow ChatGPT to take the em dash away from me

[lofty fern]

I have this feeling like Killy and Sommers aren't done.

[royal orchid]

so guys when do you think Franky will use that heat stealer thing again

[wet condor]

I still use it

[brittle basin]

i still use the em dash, as well

[lofty fern]

I think Kuriri ri is adorable

[warm sierra]

what if thats Ragnir's personal laugh and you are making fun of him?

[royal orchid]

it already did 💀 I always change em dashes to - because it's bound to get accused of AI

[brittle basin]

i want squeak. it's dumb and cute and universal.

[wet condor]

I've been using it for years. The same as I had been using semicolons. We will not allow for our mechanical conventions to be taken from us

[prisma yacht]

Kuri ri!!

[brittle basin]

looks like I hate squirrels now

[wet condor]

May've taken them away from you maybe

[warm sierra]

most people not even bothering to do that is bleak honestly

[stone terrace]

Ive literally never used them

[lofty fern]

Then I'm just thinking emperor's new groove

[stone terrace]

I always felt like it was something editors put in lol

[wet condor]

But honestly, people who've known me for years know that I've always used em dashes lol

[royal orchid]

I mean when I'm writing like normal lmao

I want to use the big dash but I know what my teachers think

[wet condor]

I know the keyboard shortcut for em dashes, that's how often I use them

[brittle basin]

@vital heart what does this mean in Japanese? is it literally squeak, the squirrel's laugh, or what? I liked TCB better for these panels

[vital heart]

hard without context? what are you on about? you have the context

[royal orchid]

alt + 0151?

[vital heart]

yeah its squeak

[wet condor]

Yeah

[brittle basin]

huge Viz L

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperors-new-groove-kronk-squirrel-talk-squeaky-gif-3569811

[royal orchid]

what's this kuri ri ri bullshit

[wet condor]

For Mac it's shift + option + -

[royal orchid]

this is why I read tcb

[wraith mantle]

i am really glad there is no break

[pulsar path]

Lmao did any one watch tekking new video lol

[lofty fern]

Poor viz can't win. They even use the actual japanese and people still hate on them

[lofty fern]

You saw it didn't you

Imu's scariest moment

[royal orchid]

squeak squeak! is funnier

[pulsar path]

Tbh I hate how viz isn't consistent with Funimation like seakings and Neptunians

[stone terrace]

I hope ragnir and chopper speak and that chopper refuses to translate because ragnir says the most vulgar shit

[pulsar path]

Yes lmao I was like wtf 😭🤣😭 tekking so so good best onepeicetuber

[vital heart]

Does Tekking have autism?

[muted hedge]

give me this golden god llama now

[urban lodge]

Who doesn't

[pulsar path]

How would we know lol

[vital heart]

Theres thousands of videos of his personality out there

[royal orchid]

hmmmm #NotVeryWokeOfYou

[urban lodge]

It's the opposite

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gen-v-gen-v-episode-8-generation-v-gen-v-homelander-gif-14421663079625917981

[urban lodge]

Very woke of me

[vital heart]

I'm no psychologist but I think Tekking has mild autism

It's ok

[formal wagon]

lucci top 5 carrot top 1

[vital heart]

I'm not a doctor

[wraith mantle]

do you have autism

[vital heart]

Likely.

[brittle basin]

Eh, so do 3/4 of y'all.

[vital heart]

4/4

[brittle basin]

true

[vital heart]

I'd wager this entire server has people on the spectrum...

[formal wagon]

how many weeks

[brittle basin]

You need to be on the spectrum to like something as abysmal as One Piece.

[royal orchid]

How many meeks

[formal wagon]

2 eekoids at once, oh goodness

[vital heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHgRgJGhTsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHgRgJGhTsk

[pulsar path]

If every one is autistic wouldn't that change the spectrum

[royal orchid]

who killed rfk just now

he was just there

[stone terrace]

RFK NOOOOOOO

[pulsar path]

Politics

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-1151-nika-gear-5-egghead-gif-1019946681101759705

!animo

[tropic nova]

Next episode comes out on <t:1775404800:F> <t:1775404800:R> (Hiatus time)

[brittle basin]

Does this mean visually, the domi reversi characters have a black aura about them or are they just referencing that game?

[lofty fern]

And she'll never do anything else again

[royal orchid]

One week until designated one piece time

[formal wagon]

he's roflcoptering

[urban lodge]

I know I won't be watching the first few episodes

[lofty fern]

I think it just references the game, even though the characters in story should have no idea that is what's happening

[formal wagon]

how do you know

[stone terrace]

Its not worth it if no absinthe

[muted hedge]

4096 reached @prisma yacht
it's now or never

[royal orchid]

they literally flip from the ground and a half sphere around them goes from dark to light

[vital heart]

referencing the game

[urban lodge]

Because Legoland mid

[formal wagon]

DAMN thats a lot of resets

[prisma yacht]

gulp

[muted hedge]

yeah, with nothing so far

[brittle basin]

That was my second thought but I wasn't positive.

[vital heart]

referencing the game

[prisma yacht]

its okay sab do it

[formal wagon]

:(

[muted hedge]

i'm manifesting it

[stone terrace]

2^12 pog

[urban lodge]

Iscat is the exception

[muted hedge]

i will get it

[formal wagon]

damn, what are you resetting for again?

[muted hedge]

ii am sure

[urban lodge]

And the funny Nami reactions

[muted hedge]

shiny Arceus

[prisma yacht]

GO GET IT

[brittle basin]

Sure. Can both things be true? I never paid much attention to the actual flipping.

[muted hedge]

fuck we're over odds now

[lofty fern]

We get to see Road being menacing, while he changes nami's clothes

[formal wagon]

overwatch is better

[muted hedge]

i'll do to 4100 and then probably go sleep

[vital heart]

Do we have a staff here

[royal orchid]

you say Legoland will be mid because of Road, I say Legoland will be mid because toei will take 3 months to go past it. We are not the same

[formal wagon]

thats a game to pay attention to

[stone terrace]

Toei should take some creative liberties with legoland imo

[brittle basin]

true. that's why i'm playing it today

[urban lodge]

What do you need Meek

[vital heart]

Mute me for 65 hours

[rich hornet]

Someone posted the panel of them breaking out of Lego land and called it BB foreshadowing and that’s how I realized I completely forgot that part of the arc for months now

[vital heart]

Thanks

[urban lodge]

Can't

[brittle basin]

DON'T MUTE MEEK

[formal wagon]

what a bizzare and strange number

and odd and

[royal orchid]

a what?

[lofty fern]

Didn't you just get back on?

[formal wagon]

number

[vital heart]

Yes you can lol

[formal wagon]

good question

[vital heart]

Youre a helper

[urban lodge]

Maybe I'd consider if it was 67 hours

[royal orchid]

oh now that's funny

[formal wagon]

💀 💀

SIX SEEEEEEVEEEEEEN

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/mudae-mudae-bot-discord-one-piece-luffy-gif-1731728240671136430

[formal wagon]

can we make penny admin for that

[urban lodge]

I think that'd be appropriate

[wraith mantle]

day 3 of asking staff to add mudae to this server

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[royal orchid]

this server would be deleted before adding mudae

I reckon

[brittle basin]

I know what Franky is saying, but it doesn't feel true.

Perhaps I expected too much of late game enemies.

[wraith mantle]

booooo

[prisma idol]

Don't

[muted hedge]

Gunko and Shamrock are the ones you should expect anything of

[brittle basin]

Shamrock, yes. Gunko, I have no idea how much longer she's gonna be on the enemy's side.

[urban lodge]

I know I just wanted to be funny

[muted hedge]

probably until the ice melts at least, lol

[royal orchid]

it's only true because the strawhats are fast and strong enough to stop the snowball of the giants
not fast enough or not strong enough and elbaf was done for with just killingham being defended

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-in-the-room-address-me-elephant-address-me-elephant-elephant-address-me-gif-8074152144814844974

[vital heart]

IS THIS ZUNESHA

LOL

HOLY SHIT

[lofty fern]

I think that's on purpose. People have pointed out that this is twice now that Sanji has said that this was too easy, and Tekking brought up that Franky's words are textbook foreshadowed dramatic irony just waiting to be had

[ruby moat]

Zunesha is the metaphorical elephant in the room?

[pulsar path]

You know I see this two way. Foreshadowing all the strawvhats dying.....or it kinda reminds me of shanks crew and they way they talk with confidence during the few times we see them

[brittle basin]

I think I also mentiond the foreshadowing possibility the other day. But, if that's the case, I'm expecting Imu to be the game-changer, not the GKs. And whatever they do will be because of Imu's buff given to them, not their own power. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

[wraith mantle]

i wonder what imu's backstory will be about

will it be parents centric? love centric? bullying centric?

friendship?

[urban lodge]

Nature

[muted hedge]

primordial evil

from the start

devil incarnate

satan personified

[dense haven]

imu is the literal devil

[urban lodge]

Exploitation of natural resources

[wraith mantle]

imu loves butterflies

[wraith mantle]

she cant be that evil

[lofty fern]

I think people dismiss Killingham and Sommers because they don't have good one on one showings even though they have very strong powers that would have won them the day if not for a few circumstances. People just want to forget about those abilities because it's not what they expect out of a fighter. And Oda hasn't done much for them personally as villains.

[muted hedge]

satan also loved butterflies

[dark nymph]

I would be okay with this

[wraith mantle]

i want imu to have good yet twisted motivations

[dark nymph]

I prefer it over cuckmu

[muted hedge]

people dismiss anyone who isn't on the tier of an emperor at this point
it's tragic how much powerscaling has intertwined with the thinking of people

[vital heart]

Is zunesha the elephant in the room

[formal wagon]

cuckmu is so weird bro oda is not writing that shit

[vital heart]

I think its time to address this

[brittle basin]

If this is the case, Imu must be a separate person 800 years ago from whatever primordial force took over their body. What's weird is we can be certain the immortality surgery was performed on Imu....but what kind of Satanic force needs an immortality surgery? It feels like it pokes holes in Imu being literally the devil.

[wraith mantle]

somehow this letter made its way to imu, and then all hell broke loose

[muted hedge]

Mu is the devil, Imu is the vessel

[lofty fern]

I don't really care if its an imu buff or not, their DFs alone are very strong even if people dismiss them. I do think they aren't done though, and that's also on purpose. Everything seems built to make it feel like a false sense of security

[brittle basin]

A devil maybe. I would expect THE devil to be immortal in and of themself.

[grand flower]

Viz removes the implication that Loki has a time limit on his transformation

[wraith mantle]

maybe davy jones is alive

[muted hedge]

have we even got a confirmation if Imu underwent the immortal surgery?

[urban lodge]

Maybe that's the only way a human vessel can withstand it

[vital heart]

Fuck you

[wraith mantle]

and has the immortality surgery done on them

[brittle basin]

I would very much be OK with this, if it allows good fights and Sanji to unlock conq during the process as well as actual Imu combat.

[vital heart]

I'm blocking you and then requesting to get muted

@scenic dirge MUTE ME FOR 65 HRS

[muted hedge]

you really don't like critique

[grand flower]

The sleeptids aren't gone

that's not good

calm before the storm

[muted hedge]

they're still blaming Loki

[brittle basin]

Eh, fine. Good enough.

[lofty fern]

It is his fault. Nami already got on him about it

His fire is going to do as much damage as the enemy

[urban lodge]

Nami has now yelled at 2 dragons

3 if we count Momo

[wraith mantle]

kaido is the 4th

or will be

[muted hedge]

it's not his fault that a sleeptid is ravaging the village, lol

[brittle basin]

Imu face reveal soon though everyone. Finally. It's been 3000 years. So what do we have?
-Hotty with a body?
-Incel creep?
-That weird statue from Skypeia?
-Literal blob?
-Lili?

[muted hedge]

probably looking like Griffith

[brittle basin]

that's too hot

[ornate tartan]

mini laboon

[grand flower]

This is also an interesting difference. Viz doesn't use language that's as evocative of the Yami Yami

But the language Viz does use coincides with how Blackbeard describes Yami as the most wicked/evil power.

@vital heart what was the original japanese that made you guys say "swallowed by a darkness"

[wraith mantle]

probably not a hotty with a body given we got that form of his with Lunko

[lofty fern]

It's his fault for using his fire so indiscriminately, especially as an elbafian, he knows what a danger fire can do to the tree

[vital heart]

Youre blocked because of how incessant you are, you lowly peasant!!

[muted hedge]

i'm talking regarding this

[grand flower]

nigga shut up and answer me

[vital heart]

[brittle basin]

Meek answer me too. I have no question though.

[lofty fern]

Here's the original page

[vital heart]

they said they got swallowed by this word

idk

idk what you want me tos ay

i dont have interesting insight

Im such a fucking chud

[brittle basin]

I can't wait. If we cut away though I will scream til my lungs burst. And if we cliffhang with nothing, i will also scream.

[wraith mantle]

we are cutting away to weevil

[lofty fern]

So "darkness" works, but the meaning is less about the absence of light and more about evil and wickedness

[brittle basin]

They're demons, so evil and wickedness makes sense.

[vital heart]

yeah

sure

ok

goodbye

[brittle basin]

Imu even wants them to embrace it, as if it's the greatest thing you can do

[vital heart]

MUTE ME FOR 65 HOURS @scenic dirge @gritty tangle @thick mango

I CANNOT TALK IN HERE UNTIL TCB RELEASE

FOR 1179

FUCKKKKKKK

[lofty fern]

No

[grand flower]

i don't disagree but you should have more pride

[brittle basin]

lol shuron

I don't disagree

[tropic nova]

@vital heart has been muted!

Reason: asked for it
Duration: 2 days and 17 hours

[lofty fern]

Yah, Meek is gone

[brittle basin]

I wouldn't have muted him just for the lols

[warm sierra]

now they cant defend why Viz said for a time and TCB said short while

[clever idol]

Asked for it is so funny

[brittle basin]

Ooh, can't wait for this release. I want this cover art.

[lofty fern]

a short time,, we'll split the difference 😆

[cerulean raven]

Muting yourself is crazy

[clever idol]

Cuz like it could mean so many thinga

[hot cairn]

man I’m so hyped for Imu to beat everyone’s ass

[hot cairn]

yo Sharon how are you feeling now that Imu is physically going to Elbaph?

[grand flower]

Curious

[distant vine]

He lost a bet?

What was it this time

[grand flower]

Meek just be tripping these days

He just ask to get muted now

[lofty fern]

he didn't he just wants to be alone

[hot cairn]

what’s this

[grand flower]

Imu, maybe

[balmy lava]

florian triangle

[urban lodge]

Thriller bark shadow

[hot cairn]

face to face meeting before dragon

No I know what it is

but what are you saying

[urban lodge]

I'm glad Oda realized it would genuinely be kinda fucked up if Luffy fought Imu in Gunko's body

[grand flower]

Which goes to show that dragon meeting Imu face to face will be an even bigger climax

Imu legit used Gunko as a horcrux

[hot cairn]

but now you can’t deny the Luffy vs Imu set up

[grand flower]

Well yeah that’s how it works until it happens

I always said they’d get set up

It just won’t be as much as teach and Luffy

[lofty fern]

So, who do you think was attacking the holy land? I feel like if the elders are as calm as they are (including garling) and Sham is there and he can't lose (at least not yet) then whatever happened is probably over

[hot cairn]

yeah it’s def over

[grand flower]

Theyve already lost the seraphim to Blackbeard

[hot cairn]

I don’t see Imu going to Elbaph while something is going on

[urban lodge]

No idea tbh, they seem so unworried

Imu doesn't give a fuck

[hot cairn]

that’s probably the reason why he didn’t have them actually fight this chapter

[lofty fern]

Were they even in the holy land? I thought they were with the marines?

[urban lodge]

Yeah

[grand flower]

That was some time ago

[dense haven]

why

[lofty fern]

He's going out to face the SHs, but not the attack at his doorstep.

[hot cairn]

yeah

[distant vine]

Why?

[lofty fern]

I thought they stayed with them? I think VP mentions that. Because they do need to recharge

[urban lodge]

Well it depends on if Luffy can do real damage

[warm sierra]

luffy would legit not care

[dense haven]

so what gunko is evil she deserves it

[distant vine]

Shouldnt matter imo

If Gunko hurts that adds to the tragedy of being possessed

[dark nymph]

first one

[lofty fern]

True, someone else pointed that out, that Imu specifically left Gunko before Luffy did any kind of attack

[lofty fern]

Doesn't matter, Oda will not have a pretty woman get gatling punched by a man

[urban lodge]

And by Luffy of all people

[dense haven]

damn you just called vivi ugly

[hot cairn]

well Oda going out of his way to make Imu actually come to Elbaph without Luffy attacking a possessed Gunko should tell us something

[urban lodge]

The Vivi thing is different

[distant vine]

He's so lame haha

[dense haven]

vivifans you gonna let that slide?

[grand flower]

I wonder if he did that just to use the contact form of Domi Reversi

[hot cairn]

well you can’t deny it exists now and Luffy can defeat Imu

[distant vine]

Thats what it looks like. It was similar for Saturnmu iirc

[lofty fern]

Vivi was one punch and that was the equivalent of the "wake up" slap they used to hit women with all the time in media. Japan is old fasioned enough for that, but seeing a woman beaten up like that is not something they want in shounen

[dense haven]

yes it tells us luffy is about to get dogwalked to hell and back

[grand flower]

Nah all the set up I talked about before still exists. Final showdowns have been clearly set up

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly, I feel like this STD method of Domi Reversi works better than what he did to the giants

[hot cairn]

I love Luffy but I hope this is true

[grand flower]

This stands for stab-transmitted-Domi btw

[hot cairn]

you could get in trouble for that one

[brittle basin]

Nice save.

[grand flower]

That’s always been the case

[grand flower]

Kizaru ain’t the only king of plausible deniability

[graceful grove]

Imu making a quick stop in Hell to pick up Ace. They will stomp on Luffy

[lofty fern]

he doesn't have to. We saw him use the exact same kind with Gunko with similar results

[grand flower]

.

[lofty fern]

Sometimes Imu uses the tendrils, sometimes he uses the circles, sometimes he uses a combo of both

[muted hedge]

this time he'll use the maw of the abyss

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-im-sama

[lofty fern]

You know what would be hilarious? If the DR DID work on Luffy and Loki, but it's slower because of their power. Similar to how Rocks wasn't turned right away but it took time to take effect. However we won't see the effects until next chapter

[grand flower]

I don’t think the differences are irrelevant atm

[muted hedge]

or Imu just can't use it on them while having Gunko as their body

[lofty fern]

So you think the physical touch of his shadow avatar makes it more potent?

[runic dock]

I just discovered a goda reference:

In the actual story of DonQuixote , he “hated” windmills or rather mistook them for giants and attacked them on sight

Donquixote Doflamingo is the enemy of luffy , from WINDMILL village

[lofty fern]

That would be a lot of different ways to do DR ....

[urban lodge]

There's also whatever happened to the Davys before Imu even arrived to God Valley

[wraith mantle]

hope this is it for the domi reversi shenanigans

dont want imu pulling up next chapter with an enhanced domi reversi

[brittle basin]

Domier Reversier

[lofty fern]

Indeed, a nice point

[ashen perch]

I wonder if he can just force a HK seal on someone too

That'd be insanely broken

[lofty fern]

I doubt it, it's still a very powerful weapon.

[urban lodge]

If he can control blades of god from nearby probably

[runic dock]

Feel like HK had to willingly accept it

[warm sierra]

feel like Oda has kinda made it a point that anyone whos gotten it so far did so willingly

[runic dock]

Otherwise it’s crazy yeah

[ashen perch]

Because that's what a stronger Domi is, if Domi doesn't work on Loki then maybe the HK seal would

[lofty fern]

Hard to say, but I doubt it. Gunko and Sham wouldn't have needed Loki's agreement if they could just take him to Imu and have him force it on him

[runic dock]

Trick Loki into getting another sick tattoo

[ashen perch]

Probably yeah, but not clear just yet

[runic dock]

Fit with all the others

[warm sierra]

I mean it must, would they have just invited him to the HK and then he wouldnt have had a contract?

[hot cairn]

oh this is true

why ask Loki if you could just force it on him

[ashen perch]

I don't think Imu showing up was ever the plan, so they were simply trying to politely invite him

[urban lodge]

Because it'd have to be Imu himself

[lofty fern]

They tried to beat the crap out of him in order to have him agree, but they still seemed to need his agreement

[runic dock]

It makes Domi reversi redundant if he can just use deep sea covenant by force as well

Just use covenant every time then

[urban lodge]

But I think it's definitely possible because we know Imu can control blades of god from nearby and the blade of god mark doesn't even require Imu

[warm sierra]

not necessarily, Imu was saying the contracts force a cost upon themselves too

[runic dock]

Oh yeah imu may have his own limit to it

Can’t even do it

[lofty fern]

Yes, but they did coerce him by threatening his friends and beating him up. They would have to bring him to Imu anyway to become a knight, so if acceptance and agreement wasn't necessary, just knock him out an take him to Imu in chains

[lofty fern]

Yes, but even blades of god seem to have to agree with that covenant as well. We haven't seen it forced on anyone

[urban lodge]

Yeah that one seems like you need to willingly take, but if you're fooled into getting it, Imu can probably do the others forcefully

[ashen perch]

I just wonder how that fits into Gunko's story then, because she does seem to have been forced into it

[lofty fern]

i think you could be fooled, but that would be your fault, all they need is a "yes" . That's basically what happened to harald

[urban lodge]

Probably similar to Harald

[ashen perch]

I guess she could have willingly walked into it too

[warm sierra]

or strong coercion

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[urban lodge]

Coercion is very possible

Using her dad as leverage maybe

[lofty fern]

I think she probably agreed to it, we just assume she was forced simply because of her background. But good people make deals with the devil all the time. Look at Kuma or Robin. They agreed to be pawns of evil men of their own volition

[brittle basin]

wtf tekking!?!?

[ashen perch]

Fair yea, that makes sense

[lofty fern]

I know, right?!

[ashen perch]

Too tall

[lofty fern]

it was the scariest thing ever, especially since Tekking has shown him as a mannequin for so long

[prisma idol]

Looked at the video go to about 5:37 and watch until like 7:20

The change happens there

When he is doing anime shots

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah! I can see it now. The change in the shoulders and neck

Very good visual trickery

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/django-unchained-smile-leonardo-di-caprio-nod-gif-16622924

I'm guessing he has a tall ass crown somewhere tho

[hot cairn]

man I cannot wait for the next chapter

[dark nymph]

NO BREAK

[timber glacier]

Next Week probably is

[lofty fern]

Tekking snatched it off his head in the beginning of the video

[hot cairn]

we’ll get a good cliffhanger probably

[lofty fern]

So who has lost to the holy knights in the holy land attack?

if its dragon, I assume the rev forces have been captured.

If it's teach, I assume they ran away.

[timber glacier]

i think its both, the revs and the devon Saturn shit

[lofty fern]

It's just hard to see either of these people being completely off-screened

[lofty fern]

Can't see how Saturn works since the people in the holy land know Saturn is gone

[timber glacier]

I dont think they will tell the basic CD that Saturn is dead. Think only the Gorosai and Imu know

[thick mango]

and the vice admirals

[lofty fern]

I'd assume Garling's new position is probably known by know. He want to show off his new rank

[timber glacier]

True but they can say that Saturn "retired"

[balmy lava]

some of the VA and up will know, but we are talking like 20 people max that will know this

[lofty fern]

Also even if the regular ones dkdn't know, the knights and the elders would know. They're the ones who are going to do all the fighting

[timber glacier]

but then again Saturn was over 200 years old and still had the same job

[timber glacier]

true

[balmy lava]

the VA barely even interact with the elders on a week to week or year to year basis

though, the elders rarely leave the holy land it seems in general. Saturn appeared to be the most active.

[prisma yacht]

Its the cds and their internal feud

[lofty fern]

I highly doubt the knights on hand needed back up for that

[grand flower]

Possibly, I think the method of cursing them does have some influence

[dense rapids]

Invest in ValkyriePiece

[grand flower]

What will the Valkyrie be

[dense rapids]

An older woman

The eagle who sits atop the Yggdrasil whose messages are passed to Niddhogg via Ratatoskr

In Skypeia we had the Knight of the Sky with his bird who ate the horse fruit

In Elbaph we will have the Valkyrie of Heaven who’s owl ate the shrink fruit

Gan Fall saved them from Wyper in the Imu mask, the Valkyrie will save them from Imu

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[dense rapids]

Yea

[barren token]

I liked it I thought it was good I liked the chapter

[dark nymph]

the question is, did YOU like the chapter

[dense haven]

yes its imuszn

[grand flower]

I like these ideas. So you don’t think shanks will be the eagle

[dense rapids]

No

[grand flower]

Valkyrie is Shaggy/Mosa?

[dense rapids]

Monet might be foreshadowing her

A all knowing Valkyrie/seeress

Would be yet another Elbaph foreshadow in punk hazard

Also “Monet” is the painter

[grand flower]

What do you mean?

[dense rapids]

Saying that if Monet is foreshadowing her then the Valkyrie could be connected to the mural

It could be this

Heaven World - Niddhogg (Lightning)

Sun World - Valkyrie (Fire)

Underworld - Ratatoskr (Ice)

[latent hamlet]

i just realized

we got IMU LEAVING THE HOLY LAND

before urouge

[pulsar path]

Lol what about Imu leaving before dragon has done ANYTHING

[dense rapids]

Mad Monk Upscale

[grand flower]

Okay okay

I see what you’re saying

[warm sierra]

Urouge can still come down from the heaven realm before Imu arrives

[grand flower]

Do y’all think Loki created Raijin Island?

[dense rapids]

Either him or an ancestor

I hope Imu goes to awaken the red line

If it isn’t Dragon

[warm sierra]

Does that really fit into what he was doing? He only went for WG vessels

[grand flower]

Ionno

[warm sierra]

Would also take away another logia feat

[grand flower]

The anime added giants to it

[dense rapids]

Oda really had Momo moving like Imu to not reveal he was a samurai

[latent hamlet]

see at least dragon has final battle hype
the "The leader of the Revolutionaries makes his move!" bit

urouge?

he didnt even get to be Kaido/BM minion

[hot cairn]

Imu season is upon us

[soft tangle]

He’s on the moon

[torn osprey]

A person who thinks all the time

[grand flower]

Hm

[grand flower]

Hm?

[torn osprey]

My way of saying a really nice observation

[hot cairn]

lmao I’m really curious on what does Oda has in store for that dude

[woven talon]

I did look at the line when reviewing it. I interpret it similar to viz that he was talking about being big being a burden in this match up, and he should've given up on it sooner. But I didn't want to make that leap because the literal Japanese seems closer to what you wrote, and there's a chance that being in the Dragon mode really takes it out of him if it lasts a while. This paired with his gasps made me think it was best not to make assumptions. @lofty fern

I think the current version definitely implies exhaustion, but it does leave it open to the efficiency idea. (at least it doesn't contradict it)

[lofty fern]

So a bit of both. I can see that.

I'd assume moving around with all that bulk would be exhausting

[woven talon]

Yeah. I think he wanted to cut to the chase because trying to attack on titan it was too exhausting. Like imagine trying to swat a smart and fast fly

it was exerting because he was too big for it

at least that's the impression I get

idk if just being big zaps him of strength, maybe maybe not

most Zoans don't work like that, but he's also having to fly and stuff

I wonder if your nutritional requirements will change depending on ur form

someone should ask SBS

like does funkfreed need to eat if he stays as a sword most the time?

does being an elephant make him experience hunger and need oxygen?

Oda is the king of never fleshing stuff like this out lol

[rose rune]

funkfreed only needs love

it's probably one of those "he eats because he likes to" kind of things

[grand flower]

Thank ya

[lofty fern]

That would be interesting if Oda employed that idea, but I don't think I've ever seen that done. Like Kaido doesn't seem to need to eat more because of his change in size and bulk.

However, on the other hand. Luffy DOES seem to employ that rule of that his G5 form is very energy demanding and so he runs out of it very quickly and thus shrivels into a raisin.

The being so big he can't hit a small opponent was going to be a major weakness either way. It's why people like Luffy and Garp and Shanks can be normal human size and have no problems handling giants.

[woven talon]

usopp is gonna get such a big bounty increase post elbaf lol

[formal wagon]

i wonder what happens if df weapons break. Like, does funkfreed die if he breaks while he's just a normal sword? or does he become two funkfreeds or half a funkfreed and half a normal sword, and what amount of damage would constitute a death for an object if they can truly die as objects.

[frigid gulch]

@pine scaffold https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/2038406640492536129

sandman (@sandman_AP)

🔔My translation: This is the quickest way to settle it… I stayed in that giant form too long. (pant pant) In other words, Loki also seems to consume stamina if he stays in his giant form for too long, just like Gear 5.🥺

X · Mar 30, 2026, 12:03 AM

[lofty fern]

Usopp?

What did he do?

[stone terrace]

This is still ambiguous ngl

If anything we should blame oda

[frigid gulch]

Nah

He hasn’t been hit or anything

And he’s huffing

So seems fine

[wet condor]

Luffy stans are safe

[icy wolf]

makes sense for loki to have a cooldown

shanks really did beat his ass and lock him up

my glorious goat

[soft tangle]

Hybrid loki

[wet condor]

Because before this, there was an argument that Loki was putting a belt to that ass

He just had to wait until the clock winded down

[frigid gulch]

People got too high on hype

[icy wolf]

luffy beats loki pretty obviously i think

[frigid gulch]

Classic

[stone terrace]

He still is

[icy wolf]

but it is a match up thing

[lofty fern]

Feeso just talked about it at length above. Meek talked about it too
#also-manga message
#also-manga message

[icy wolf]

i think they are around the same overall strength or luffy is stronger

[stone terrace]

Luffy is helpless rn

[frigid gulch]

I’m sure it’ll be the same with Ragnir

[wet condor]

I think Luffy has an edge yeah

[stone terrace]

Loki is just a little fatigued

[frigid gulch]

Ragnir > Harald takes

[wet condor]

At least in terms of power

But still, yeah. Loki isn't worn out like Luffy

Like Luffy shrivled up like a prune looking like he can't do shit

[frigid gulch]

Loki is way better off than Luffy for sure

But he’s also had 8 years

[lofty fern]

But he's also badly injured

[wet condor]

True

We'll see how relevant that is down the line

[frigid gulch]

The impact of that is questionable

But we’ll see

[lofty fern]

Oda didn't even have to do it. You could have just had Loki chained to the tree, but he does that for a reason.

It's the only thing Sham and Gunko even do as part of their introduction

[frigid gulch]

It can definitely still play a part like it has for Zoro but he seems ok so far

He also has good recovery

But if the wound is targeted then for sure

[lofty fern]

I do wonder if Shamrock is acting similar to Shanks in that he was trying to stop Loki from getting himself killed?

Like he could have let Gunko kill him, but he pulls her back. He wounds Loki badly, but I'm pretty sure in the shape he was in, he could have just as easily killed him.

It's just an interesting idea considering what kind of people the others were like around him 🤔

[wet condor]

He wanted to keep Loki from getting killed because they were there to recruit him.

Very difficult to do if she kills him lol

[woven talon]

sandman uses a distrubing amount of emoji

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but at that point, they knew it wasn't working. This was after he had said no several times

[wet condor]

I'm not sure I get your point?

[woven talon]

he called Imu out for like 4 paages lol

[wet condor]

They just kept trying to torture him until he finally said "yes"

[lofty fern]

I'm saying that if they know he's of no use to them, he could have just let Gunko kill him.

[wet condor]

He's tougher than they figured

[lofty fern]

I'm saying he already knew that he wasn't going to say yes, They've already tried the beating up route.

[wet condor]

He's hard to kill, so I think they just left. "We've got other shit to do"

Then Shamrock hit him with the Cerebus

And is like "If you live, I'll fight you"

Which he did

[woven talon]

music why isn't ur name blue anymore

[wet condor]

I left the server at one point lol

[woven talon]

the universe isn't complete

get roles

[wet condor]

I like being a white name actually

[woven talon]

rip

[woven talon]

if u ever leave the yellow party it's all over

[stone terrace]

Piss role

[lofty fern]

It's more like she kept beating him up. Loki makes a joke only to say no again. Gunko gives him one really bad hit but Sham stops her from going too far and killing him . Gunko is actually doing all the torturing and killing all the animals. It's just a very interesting choice.

[rose rune]

I have the pink role because I'm beautiful

[lofty fern]

Nah, I usually don't bother to change once I've set myself up. I've had the same pfp since I joined discord, I'll still by the heart pirates forever unless Law changes his group name

[wet condor]

Shamrock probably can't be bothered

[latent hamlet]

plot twist: this isnt a personality rewrite
gunko is just a dick

[glacial bear]

Gunko is a dick

[wet condor]

He's taken one out of the Moria playbook

"You do it"

[glacial bear]

Killed Loki’s poor animal friends

I hate her

[latent hamlet]

its ok we redeem her because brook
for some reason

[wet condor]

Shamrock has a capacity for cruelty and enjoys toying with people's live to an extent. I don't think he's telling her to stop because he cares whether or not Loki dies lol

but he isn't at the level of Sommers

"We've got things to do Gunko, he's not gonna break"

[lofty fern]

And even his last line to Loki sounds very much like something Shanks would say

[wet condor]

And off they go

[lofty fern]

I haven't really seen him enjoying toying with people. He's not like sommers or Killy. In fact he spends most of the time with Gunko, holding Gunko back

[wet condor]

What about him suggesting making a game out of it?

You don't think that's him playing with people's lives for amusement?

[lofty fern]

He says it, but I'd expect Shanks to say the same sort of thing undercover.

It's his actions that I look at more closely

[latent hamlet]

shanks so undercover he forgor what side he's on

[wet condor]

I think you have motivated reasoning here HPQ

[latent hamlet]

shanks be like "this is just for the mission"

snorts a bag of cocaine

shanks bout to destroy luffy hat and blow up sunny
"this is for the future win"

[deep chasm]

why would shanks under cover go out of his way to make it more cruel

you can say things that fit a CD while being under cover but this is shamrock going out of his way to make things more cruel

[rich hornet]

Yeah but he doesn’t need to frame it that way. You can call it mission and give objectives without making it a game

[wet condor]

Shamrock can eventually redeem himself. Quite frankly, that's a real possibility. If Garling can have genuine affection for his sons, I can see Shamrock being redeemed by Shanks.

[latent hamlet]

eh, i dont put "genuine affection" as a point in favor

even the most deranged psychopaths can have affection for family

as fucked up of an affection as it can be

[stone terrace]

Shamrock after winning 5 god valley games already

[latent hamlet]

"you're my kin, you are an extension of me"

[deep chasm]

I expect shamrock to do some good things in the future, but its not like hes a nice guy rn

[wet condor]

I find it funny that has any to be honest lol

[wet condor]

Yeah this is where I'm at with it

Like he's bonafide a bad dude

[lofty fern]

Is it? It would make him fit in with all his other compatriots. I'm just not seeing fit to judge him based on that line alone. Especially since we see him not being the cruel or toying one in any other situation

[wet condor]

You've judged other characters for less

lol

Like Garp

[deep chasm]

You can fit in with your friends without going out of your way to make a game which is more cruel than what gunko had in mind lol

[urban lodge]

The kidnapping game was his idea

[wet condor]

Right lol

[deep chasm]

him not being cruel with every single word he says doesnt mean negate when he decides to make a kidnapping game out of it

when no one else was thinking it lol

Hes not been in any other situation besides the loki situaiton to show off how cruel he is. And thats not exactly mercy either

[lofty fern]

Garp's actions condemn him. He's abusive to children, he ignores things right in front of him by his own admission

[latent hamlet]

"guys he's nice he's not into torture"

Shammy: yeah its not really my vibe
Loki: U JUST STABBED ME WITH YOUR DOG
Shammy: hey, i didnt do it. the dog did. anyways Gunko, we need to grab kids

[wet condor]

Ain't Shamrock doing those things?

And advocating for them?

[lofty fern]

I think we just need way more from him than simply that one line.

He feels way more complicated than that

[deep chasm]

wait are we making garp out to be worse than shamrock

[deep chasm]

Okay well for now the signs point to him being a bad guy

[lofty fern]

No, Music just bringing up my hatred of Garp

[deep chasm]

Like, we definitely can acknowledge the possiibility of there being more to him, but for now we'd be reaching to act like hes shown to be anything besides another cruel CD

[wet condor]

I'm teasing a lil' bit because we've had this convo before lol

[lofty fern]

I'd disagree, feels much more gray to me.

[deep chasm]

😐

[rich hornet]

There needs to be some white to make grey

[latent hamlet]

im ngl
this topic wouldnt have gotten so far if shammy wasnt a brother of shanks

its like we're trying to say THE GOOD GUY GENETICS WILL TAKE OVER

[deep chasm]

exactly lol

the only reason this is a convo is cuz hes shanks brother so maybe theres something there

nothing we've actually seen from him makes anything gray

[latent hamlet]

u know who had this conversation done to death and back and nothing went through with it to this day?
Raditz

[hot cairn]

yeah that sounds silly lol

[sick dust]

Garp is a coward and a hypocrite but I doubt he is worst than shamrock

[latent hamlet]

u might as well say can we redeem the celestial dragons as a whole

[deep chasm]

and hey I do think good guy genetics will show for shamrock one day. But for now he is only shown as a cruel CD

[rich hornet]

Because shanks is an example of overcoming his bad guy genetics

[latent hamlet]

see that only works if you have a paragon of a nice guy for genes

shammy has....garling and some random redhead mfer

[hot cairn]

but Shamrock wasnt raised in the same environment as Shanks

[latent hamlet]

and the most we got out of her is....she cared for her kid

which is like

the bare minimum

[deep chasm]

I think because garling exists its actually more reason shamrock would end up having some good

because we have another evil figarland enemy already, and hes probably the stronger one

[rich hornet]

Which is why we have nothing to expect from sham in terms of being a secret good guy

[hot cairn]

how

[deep chasm]

so brings potential for some sad shit where idk garling kills shamrock or something

[sick dust]

Shanks wasn’t raised the same way as Shamrock.He never had to struggle with his origins till like adulthood

[latent hamlet]

so you're hinging on the hope of
"dad, you suck"
"agreed"
"foolish children"

[hot cairn]

agreed

[deep chasm]

wym

[latent hamlet]

why would garling kill shammy
just cuz there's more than 1 figarland doesnt mean we have to immediately dispose of 1

unless shammy straight up betrays garling but thats pretty unrealistic

and the only defense i can see for that is "you killed my mom"
but there's no sign of shammy even giving a shit about mom. hell he'd probably be like "her purpose was to birth me"

we're working with celestial dragon mindset.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/lucius-malfoy-harry-potter-jason-isaacs-gif-26727391

[lofty fern]

I find it very interesting that Oda has Sham again and again being the one to reign back Gunko. He's just always felt different from the other knights, including Garling. She's always the one doing the majority of the torturing and killing, He always seems to be trying to give Loki a way out, until the end when he put him out of commision, and yet doesn't kill him. He's the one who seems to actually care about at least some people and being a 3-dimensional person, while you have Killingham and Summers be cackling villains.

[latent hamlet]

hell its probably even worse, at least the CDs just sit on their ass
HKs are like "we serve our almighty god"

[latent hamlet]

bad cop worse cop

[deep chasm]

It means that the usual role of some evil family member is fulfilled

it doesnt mean there cant be 2

but usually characters like these are introduced and serve as that role, and then the good guy comes and has to beat up that guy

so like oh shanks has a evil twin, maybe one day shanks has to go fight him

[lofty fern]

We don't really know that

[deep chasm]

but then you realize shanks has an even more evil dad whos stronger than the twin

[lofty fern]

If anything, Shanks might have had a better childhood

[deep chasm]

so at that point, you have the option to do something sad with the twin

[latent hamlet]

i just see shammy as "what shanks could have been" and keeping it like that

[deep chasm]

I think it is more interesting than shanks just having 2 evil family members that do the same thing throughout the story

[latent hamlet]

it doesnt have to be dad specifically

it could just be a mentor figure that raised these 2 kids

[sick dust]

That’s what I just said

[deep chasm]

Garling would already do that. if you see it this way only, shamrock and garling serve the exact same purpose, so why do we need 2 of them?

[deep chasm]

yea but he exists for a reason

so either you have 2 characters who exist for the exact same reason

or make shamrock play a different role in the story than garling

[lofty fern]

I went with the whole "Shamrock is just evil Shanks" idea at first, and then GV happened and I began to see things differently. I think there is going to be more than meets the eye with Shamrock

[hot cairn]

eh

[latent hamlet]

i dont see it like that
Garling would have already been set in his ways from the beginning.
shanks and shammy are literally the 2 diverging paths vibe

[lofty fern]

I thought you were saying Shamrock had a better time

[deep chasm]

I think there will be more to him. I just think youre reaching to make it seem like theres actually signs of that yet

[deep chasm]

take shamrock out the story. garling serves the same purpose. Thats shanks' dad, youd be able to make the same point of "wow in a different world this is how shanks turns out"

[native seal]

what are we expecting happens next chapter

[sick dust]

Probably a breather chapter

A bit of downtime

Before more chaos erupts

[rose brook]

kidd returning

[sick dust]

I doubt Imu would immediately head to Elbaf

[ornate tartan]

dragon shows up

[lofty fern]

I think this is going to be one of those subtle things that when the turn does happen, you'll point to all those things I noticed and say "oh yeah". It may not be quite what I'm picturing, but you have to admit, that of all the knights we've met, Shamrock is the most different from all of them. And that's not even talking about strength.

[ornate tartan]

not in elbaph tho

[latent hamlet]

i think garling doesnt even have to be the dad in this story. to me he comes off as "the mentor teaching his disciples" vibe

[hot cairn]

chill chapter until the last panel shows Imu arriving in Elbaph

[latent hamlet]

and u have garling's "product"

[lofty fern]

Does he? He doesn't seem like the teacher type at all

[ornate tartan]

how close are we to a face reveal

[deep chasm]

Not really. I think shamrock will have good to him too, so the hindsight thing doesnt rlly apply to me when Im predicting the same conclusion. Even given that, I think youre reaching. "oh but he doesnt go out of his way to kill loki" doesnt really show anything. He turns around and does somehting cruel that was unnecessary even if hes playing a role

[lofty fern]

He's too full of himself to teach

[hot cairn]

maybe 2-3 chapters

[latent hamlet]

i mean it in like a storytelling way
Garling is already set in his ways
Shanks and Shammy were raised 2 completely different ways. Garling almost absolutely raised and trained Shammy himself

[rich hornet]

Shamrock can be a bad guy in a different way than Garling

[latent hamlet]

garling doesnt even have to be a dad at this point. we could rewrite him to be a random mentor who trained shammy and shanks and keep these 2 as twins.

[deep chasm]

I dont rlly see what youre saying. At the end of the day he is the dad in the story. So if shamrock didnt exist he'd fulfill the role of "this is what shanks could've been". So shamrock and garling are going to serve the same role unless oda chooses to take one out of the basic "evil relative" thing

[native seal]

he might be, at the very least we know he cared about his sons enough to want to bring them back to holy land

[formal wagon]

imu face reveal will be the same chap as eustass's return and we'll see they're identical like shanks and shamrock #goda

[hot cairn]

[formal wagon]

and 20 chapters after that we'll get a new silhouette

who will be the person controlling imu from behind the scenes

[lofty fern]

Maybe I'm giving him more grace than you. But I've not really taken his "game" line to heart all that much, especially since Summers and Killy and Gunko kinda changed most of the parameters to said game long after Shamrock had left

[signal fiber]

Vibe i get from Sham is total asshole like the rest, but one that has the capacity to see the light and has a soft spot for his bro

[native seal]

same

[latent hamlet]

it feels off to me because its like u can just take any random bum, slap "Shanks dad" and then its like GASP SHANKS COULD HAVE BEEN A CD.
Shammy feels like a proper split between him and shanks.

[hot cairn]

same

[fringe escarp]

Garling unironically loves his kids tho

[rich hornet]

Imu face reveal when BB shows up and pulls the darkness off him. So maybe not immediately coming

[signal fiber]

Seems to

[glacial bear]

Brook was right to hate her!

[latent hamlet]

why is shanks the special one just cuz he has a dad in team CD
it could happen to any random fuck

[fringe escarp]

Like when you see the scene with garling and the twins it’s legit wholesome

[hot cairn]

LOL nah BB aint coming here

[deep chasm]

Not really. We both think he'll be doing good in the end.

You not taking the game to heart is just a bad perspective ngl. You kind of have to acknowlegde it. Shamrock made up the game, the others doing whatever doesnt change anything. He goes out of his way to make a cruel game for the others to engage in regarding elbaf citizens and children. That shows cruelty. Him not going out of his way to kill loki doesnt negate that. So for now the signs say hes a cruel CD

[hot cairn]

Oda will reveal Imu’s design this arc

[rose rune]

I never really gave it much thought, but who's screaming here?

[lofty fern]

I knew what he said, and I know what the knights said. They never said Garling sent them after Shanks. They just happened to see Shanks, noticed his red hair and went after him. His actions with others and with Magnolia tell me way more than any words that Garling says.

[fringe escarp]

Fucking RAAAH”

[urban lodge]

Could be the CDs revolting

[formal wagon]

the readers

[ornate tartan]

base celestial dragons

[formal wagon]

base lucci >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[lofty fern]

I don't think it's a scream, I think it's just the sound of the roaring fire. You see this same sound effect several times in the chapter

[deep chasm]

? You can take any random bum, slap "shanks twin" then its like GASP SHANKS COULD HAVE BEEN A CD. I dont rlly get what this is going for ngl. At the end of the day shamrock is the twin and garling is the dad. At first glance both fuflfill the "evil relative" trope. It'd be more interesting for oda to have one of them be a little bit more than that, instead of both play pretty much the same role

[hot cairn]

yeah I don’t think Marijois is under attack

[native seal]

I asked meek what the onomatopoeia was but he never replied smh

[rich hornet]

Sabo’s war cry

[native seal]

bro do y'all deadass think the inbred CDs are capable of bringing down buildings by revolting

[ornate tartan]

nope😂

[native seal]

"mariejois is in flames" there's a 3rd party 100%

[rich hornet]

A cow burned down the entirety of Chicago. It’s not hard

[hot cairn]

I just don’t think Dragon or Blackbeard are attacking Marijois

[native seal]

that cow would be yonko level in one piece

[urban lodge]

Some of them have strong slaves

[rose rune]

fat is flamable

[sick dust]

I just thought it was the Rev army again.I don’t think BB benefits from destroying the town

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ushiano-ushiano-one-piece-one-piece-mink-cow-gif-12383364456608039873

[native seal]

W ushiano

[urban lodge]

Kill Ushiano

I hate him

[native seal]

bro he ain't done nothing

[rich hornet]

Third best Revo

[frigid gulch]

Respect the Holy Knight Slayer

[lofty fern]

I think we're just seeing it in different ways. You see it as him going out of his way, I see it as what would be expected of him to say. Is it the best things to do? No. Is it the altruistic thing to do? No. Is he even a wholesome good guy? No. But I don't think he's cruel for saying that, He's different from your average CD, and that's enough to make him of interest in my eyes.

[formal wagon]

REV TIERLIST

i love tierlists

[urban lodge]

Bro thinks he's Loki with that tongue out

[native seal]

he's stronger than loki

[frigid gulch]

Ushiano at 1?

[formal wagon]

S tier empty
A tier empty
B tier inazuma
C tier empty
D tier empty
F tier the rest

[hot cairn]

we need to see these Revo characters in action

[formal wagon]

wait

S tier = the mayor/ president of vira

[urban lodge]

Man why did the vice captains or whatever have to be so ass

Except Ahiru

And Inazuma

[wet condor]

So what would you need to see in order for you to consider Shamrock to be a cruel person HPQ?

[deep chasm]

Okay, but youd have to explain that. How is that what is expected of him? Gunko didnt think of it, do you think if he just didnt say that, gunko would turn and be like "How come you're not trying to be more cruel to elbaf, are you going against WG?"

There is a big difference between fitting in, and going out of your way to do things. And you cannot point to anything that he did that shows good. He didnt do anything to make you think hes different from your average CD in cruelty

[formal wagon]

he's actually really cool actually

he's actually super awesome

actually

[wet condor]

If you see Shamrock cut down a child, would you consider him cruel?

Like a giant child

[deep chasm]

the characters people think are beating Holy knights btw

"Holy knights are ass" have you seen the revs???

[wet condor]

He pulls a Rocks and impales one on his sword

[glacial bear]

Nah. That child probably did something to deserve it. Shamrock ☘️ is a saint

[deep chasm]

no thats just fitting in 😭

[wet condor]

Is that sufficient?

[rich hornet]

It’s a fair match up lol

[formal wagon]

he's actually really awesome

besides the bowtie

[frigid gulch]

Ass vs ass

Sounds fair

[hot cairn]

So half of them

[native seal]

rev commanders are yonko level

[deep chasm]

hey I got the dude with monsters the giants had trouble handling over whoever this is

[rose rune]

the anime stripped him of his personality

[deep chasm]

oda rlly gave the revs his worse designs

[urban lodge]

2/5

[ornate tartan]

jiren?💀

[rich hornet]

How is Lucci top 5 when this guy exists

[formal wagon]

the strongest

[urban lodge]

Yonji clone

[native seal]

you arent getting his intention here, he wants to say that anyone can be a rev

no matter what you are, no matter what you look like

[rose rune]

ahiru went through it

[deep chasm]

most of them ugly though

[formal wagon]

he's cool actually

they're all cool actually

besides ahiru

[hot cairn]

thats how you know they won’t do shit during final war

[royal orchid]

we need to kill Toei Animation Co.

[hot cairn]

they all seem fine to me except ushiano

[sick dust]

What you mean?

[formal wagon]

im just being a contrarian

ahiru is okay

[native seal]

revs will make a difference in the final war as a whole entity, the dragon speech riling up all the citizens of the world to charge in would feed generations

one piece's greatest speech moment will be from dragon

[deep chasm]

yea as a whole entity they will

dragon sabo and iva are carrying

[royal orchid]

it's okay for Chekhov's gun to not fire sometimes

[formal wagon]

he's a mleeeeee 😛 eeeeeeeeher so i like him. I think a cow mink is neat to see as well

[deep chasm]

them rev vice commanders are gonna be doing nothing

[sick dust]

The Revs are already making a difference imo

[urban lodge]

Wait this is even worse than I remembered

[native seal]

100% they are, im talking about the final war

[urban lodge]

His head is so small

[deep chasm]

omg guys look its gambo vs random vice admiral #39

[formal wagon]

his head is giant wdym ?

[lofty fern]

You can see Oda is just using that sound effect all over the place. I'm 97% sure it's the fire

[sick dust]

They released a lot of slaves in a day than Garp did in 40 years

[native seal]

fujitora already took that credit sadly

[rose rune]

I like to believe they have a screaming dude traveling across the world, like that one dude who repairs doors and stuff

[native seal]

oh yeah

[hot cairn]

LMAOO

[sick dust]

If they can accomplish that.Imagine what they can do in the final war

[native seal]

bro im more excited about the worldwide rebellion

that will be so goated

[hot cairn]

Yeah those commanders aint doing shit

no offense

[native seal]

the deputy commanders not doing shit aint a big deal

[lofty fern]

Have him be a bit more like Garling and show the same pleasure in it he does. You don't need to go to Killy, Maffey, or Sommers extreme, but close to it

[sick dust]

Was him beating up a chained Loki not enough?

[wet condor]

I would say he's already there but I think this is reasonable. That smirk I saw when he prompted the game suggested as much to me. So if you see him smiling while seeing someone suffering, especially if it's suffering he's directly committed, then that's enough?

[lofty fern]

I saw a lot. He's NOT acting like Sommers, he's not acting like Killingham, and he's not even acting like Gunko. I could have listened to probably a lot of things Shanks said when he was undercover and called him cruel for saying them, but we know that it was all an act. I'm not saying that Sham is exactly like that. I'm not even saying he's a good guy, I'm saying he's not like the rest.

[lofty fern]

That was 98% Gunko

[sick dust]

He used his DF sword

[urban lodge]

Well it's not because he's a kind wholesome guy, it's the leader letting the subordinate do the dirty work

[lofty fern]

He only used it once Loki became threatening to him, and he could have killed Loki in that weakened state. I equate it to Shanks putting someone down so they don't do more harm to others or themselves. All the actual torture, even the killing of his animals were done by Gunko. He even reigned back Gunko twice.

[sick dust]

Idk about you but this moment might just be him empathizing that he might be a asshole as the rest of the CDs

[lofty fern]

Really look at Shamrock. Does he act the same as say Sommers? Or Maffey? or even Garling? You can't say he acts like the rest of the CDS

[sick dust]

You don’t go around beating a chained man trying to force him to become a military asset do you?

[lofty fern]

If I was sent there by the overlord I'm contracted to obey I do

[rose rune]

shamrock's sword > shamrock

[sick dust]

If your boss told you to jump off a cliff would you?

[lofty fern]

he would sadly have to

He can't disobey Imu

[sick dust]

Shanks left before he gotten his rank up

Shamrock didn’t

[lofty fern]

Sham was a knight before he even met Shanks

Not counting when they were babies

[native seal]

shamrock is not anywhere near as pure as shanks but i think he has the ability to see the light for a possible redemption

thats where i stand

[sick dust]

Shamrock grew up in mariejois therefore he’ll likely picked up CD traits

And if he picked up those traits then he likely is just as bad as they are

[wet condor]

Feel like this is where everyone is at

The only disagreement is if he's actually a bad guy

And I'd say he is lol. I don't think he's faking any of this, even if he "sees the light" by Shanks

That man is having fun making a game out of those people's lives

"Might as well make it fun"

[sick dust]

Also Bonney’s father from a SBS looks similar to shamrock

If that is true then he would automatically be a piece of shit

[ruby cape]

I think he’ll see the light but like won’t reach out for it if it makes sense

[deep chasm]

how is he not acting like them . Shanks said things, he didnt do things. Youre making statements about shamrock with no back up. What makes shamrock different from the other holy knights?

[ruby cape]

He’s been in the system for ages

[wet condor]

I will say, there is no way that both Shanks and Shamrock live

As a related discussion

One of them dies

[sick dust]

Shanks is definitely not living by the end

I don’t think shamrock is either

[hot cairn]

Oda aint killing Shanks

[deep chasm]

agreed

[hot cairn]

you guys need to wake up

[wet condor]

Order of likelihood is Only Shanks dying >= Shamrock dying >= both dying >>>>>>>>>>>> both lving

[deep chasm]

only 1 of the figarland family is surviving and its not garling

honestly all 3 could die

[trim lily]

it’s uta

[deep chasm]

but at most 1 is living

[wet condor]

Blackbeard is gonna finish the job. It is what it is lol

[sick dust]

The CD system has to go by the end

[urban lodge]

Either all 3 die or Shanks lives

[trim lily]

i really feel like shanks is by far the most ripe character for killing off but it’s a gamble whether oda would want to

[sick dust]

Like for example Greenbull has to go.He embodies every problem with the WG

To continue living

[wet condor]

I just feel the shadow of death looming over Shanks lol

[deep chasm]

I wouldnt call it much of a gamble

Shanks death is like super obvious

even if not by BB

[trim lily]

it feels obvious but i can’t tell if oda would actually go through with it

[sick dust]

Well the series is about passing the torch to the next generation

WB passed his and he died

Why not try that again with Shanks?

[frigid gulch]

Shanks controlled by Imu

[balmy lava]

I can see shanks dying

[urban lodge]

Luffy is forced to kill Shanks

[frigid gulch]

Although tbh

[wet condor]

Oh man