also-manga

[muted hedge]

Oda doesn't want to focus on the brutal and cruel stuff
he wants to focus on the journey and the romantization of being a pirate

[fringe escarp]

If he was worried the readers would be confused maybe we should end the fanbase

[final trench]

Aka they fell for sengoku’s rambling

[wraith mantle]

i think he also didnt want to stretch the flashback any longer

the flashback was already long as it is, imagine how much longer it would be if he showed more of rocks shenanigans

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard is way more likeable to me because of his personality even though he's a much worse person

[frigid gulch]

Kaido was said to be captured by the Navy and then Oda put a spin on it

[runic dock]

If oda was worried about rocks fan base he wouldn’t have subverted expectations lmao

[pulsar timber]

Fandom fell for sengoku propaganda

[final trench]

Bro wasnt even there

[distant vine]

The thing is thats just how he writes people

Think of Barto and Mr 2

[frigid gulch]

Kinda seemed like that’s what Oda went for with the charity

[pulsar timber]

Oda wasn’t afraid to show rocks doing evil things rocks just isn’t that character

[distant vine]

They were ruthless as antags but teddy bears now

[frigid gulch]

But doesn’t mean Rocks was a saint

[fringe escarp]

This is where I personally disagree honestly

Blackbeard is on the complete opposite end on par with celestial dragons

[final trench]

Blackbeard and [REDACTED] backstory will show the other side of rocks

[fringe escarp]

And I really don’t think that’s a exaggeration

[muted hedge]

he chopped a guys head off and blew up a boat at least

[dense rapids]

I think there’s someone in the heaven realm and that’s where biblo went to

[wraith mantle]

LMAO wtf i missed that

[runic dock]

Bro I bet his mom will be way more ruthless thank rocks ,, CALLINGIT NOW

she said she’d kill herself and bb if shit went south

[wraith mantle]

bro sliced his neck off clean

[runic dock]

BB MOM RUTHLESS

[brittle basin]

This is the only time I've doubted the narrator, when talking about Rocks' crimes. Like....why did he go out of his way to show Rocks going after only corrupt organizations such as the one they robbed and the WG. Not to mention he respects the Davy Back fight (yeah, his namesake I know) when he could've just taken his crew by force. Loki is such a nothing burger compared to the so-called horrific crimes he and his crew committed. I think that's a big L by Oda.

[final trench]

And she almost plunged into the ocean

I think she’s half fishmen ngl

[runic dock]

She fucking crazy I know it

Rocks likes the wild ones

[final trench]

She did used to be a pirate

[pulsar timber]

Can’t believe imu is leaving the office. This is hype

[fringe escarp]

When I came out of the rocks flashback I honestly left even more annoyed of Blackbeard than interested

[brittle basin]

Every time I read that narrator box about Rocks crimes I only think "this is some shit Sengoku would say"

[final trench]

What if she was on the polo pirates

[runic dock]

BB RUTHLESS SIDE CAME FROM MOM

[wraith mantle]

holy robbo have mobilized
gorossei have mobilized
imu herself has left her goon cave

Dragon please, can you do something!!!

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-im-sama

[final trench]

Trust the insurgent serpent bro

[runic dock]

No

[fringe escarp]

And a large part of that is rocks and his crew

[pulsar timber]

Imu reveal soon

[muted hedge]

so hype

[iron oriole]

!thiscommandisforwhendragonlookseast

[urban lodge]

It's such a weird presentation, I'm unsure if Oda wants us to doubt the veracity of what the narrator said or not

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/1213895473073627176/IMG_1927.png?ex=65f72341&is=65e4ae41&hm=5cd8af4c510e797f09031d67e7230433398c0bc5134ee2472f83e1d0d2f5f09d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=990&height=1094

[fringe escarp]

Outside of the finale the rocks crew were some of the most fun characters to have on screen

[woeful moth]

tbh there is not really a connection to BB and Rocks other than name... they don't really have an actual relationship built...

[wraith mantle]

we need a bet if imu is a woman or man

[runic dock]

I can’t wait until imu unmasks himself to look exactly like the same black blob as he was before the unmask

Classic sting moment

[frigid gulch]

As I said, it’s similar to Kaido being “captured” by the Navy even tho he essentially allowed it to happen cause he was hungry lol. The narrator simply lists the description, not really context. at least when Oda is doing like character summaries

[brittle basin]

At the end of the day I kind of have to accept it through gritted teeth, 'cause if I don't then I can have every excuse to doubt the narrator every other time in the story.

[fringe escarp]

Whenever I got to see interactions between them it was always enjoyable

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/wcw-sting-nwo-wolfpack-gif-13848513

Imu soon

[wraith mantle]

wait can you calrify why it is an L?

is it because oda is seemingly undermining the narrator?

[blazing mantle]

We’re not getting that face reveal brochacho

[pulsar timber]

Funko flashback soon

[blazing mantle]

Gunko funko pop soon

[fringe escarp]

And that was 10 chapters of meeting and learning about them

[urban lodge]

Don't call her that

[blazing mantle]

Probably in like 4 months

[muted hedge]

funko pops stink

[runic dock]

The face reveal will only happen once bb uses darkness fruit to cancel their power , the black blob will slide off the real body

[blazing mantle]

Yeah but they’ll still make one

[muted hedge]

ugh

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeards crew has had almost two decades and I feel no micron of interest in their dynamics

[brittle basin]

What we see Rocks doing on-screen contradicts the version of him talked about by the narrator for the most part (except the stabbing Loki aspect).

[blazing mantle]

Atp does he even have a real body

[runic dock]

The black blob is canon real color form of imu

[fringe escarp]

Their designs are straight up a lot less interesting

[runic dock]

I bet it’s nerona imu , the 20 king

Or Lily body

[muted hedge]

Imu will get revealed and everyone will go "oh no they're hot"

[woeful moth]

i wish Funko actually just fully goes bankrupt

[blazing mantle]

Don’t forget about the Imu plushie that Oda doesn’t seem to have a problem with

It’s just the black blob

[runic dock]

Or the imu tcg card that still shows it black

[scenic dirge]

Ok there’s actually no way Sanji is beating Zoro (and sometimes Luffy) in EVERY region lol. I find the botting funny af ngl but they definitely haven’t fixed it all

[blazing mantle]

Imu has cards?

[fringe escarp]

And I don’t think it’s because rocks had recognizable crewmates, because he had a LOT we either only got name drops for or just met

[wraith mantle]

I see. I think this probably another Kuma situation where Kuma was built up as a tyrant in the pre TS but he was a good guy all along.

I am reserving judgement till we get the full rocks story (hopefully we get a kid rocks flashback)

[runic dock]

Just 1 but yeah

[blazing mantle]

Lemme look it up

[frigid gulch]

Lucci upscale

[blazing mantle]

Wow that’s kinda sad

[brittle basin]

I've thought about this before, and my early reactions when the chapter came out were "technically, the narrator is telling the truth. but the context is that all these places attacked by Rocks' crew were also corrupt." But that could just be copium on my part, bordering on headcanon.

[blazing mantle]

Dragging the design to sell more merch

[scenic dirge]

And Lucci is top 5 in central and South America lmfaooo

[blazing mantle]

Lock in bro

[scenic dirge]

Yea it’s joever

The botting is funny tho

[blazing mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ilgbtenha-stantwt-stan-twt-dude-nobody-invited-funny-gif-2432697925408331078

[iron oriole]

tf is Lucci doing in a top 5

Job Lucci?

that guy?

[brittle basin]

Do you think we get more about Rocks in the future, like from the BB flashback?

[runic dock]

Bots

[muted hedge]

i'm just glad it's someone people didn't expect

[blazing mantle]

Out of all the characters to bot

[urban lodge]

Let's make him top 1 next week

[distant vine]

Germa took over man

[blazing mantle]

Why lucci

[distant vine]

🤧

[iron oriole]

the guy who Luffy had a nap mid fight vs? in a top 5?

[frigid gulch]

Yea ngl that’s kinda cringe but I think at least what Rocks did may have been exaggerated or outright twisted

[distant vine]

They ruined the fun

[iron oriole]

someone defend it please

[blazing mantle]

Why didn’t you guys bot Gil

Or Shiki

[runic dock]

Salty lucci fans

[soft tangle]

Where TF is my second gold…

[blazing mantle]

Salty about what? He doesn’t even do much

[wraith mantle]

i really really hope so,

we need to understand why rocks is motivated to be king of the world, this cant be explained by just Eris expositioning away stuff it has to be shown

[distant vine]

Why? Cause its power for him?

[frigid gulch]

But it’s a little cringe if somehow every place Rocks went to he was being a hero or whatever

[soft tangle]

They actually bounced Rocks out the top 5

[blazing mantle]

Luffy syndrome

[runic dock]

During bb’s persona flashback story , Eris will go into a secondary flashbsck about this

Worry not

[ashen perch]

So it really wasnt a weird scan problem, there really are these strange pitch black butterflies in Imu's room now. They used to be white, wonder what it could mean.

[pulsar timber]

Is it contradictory? each of the indivual pirates move of their own accord often, so it is believable that everything the narrator said they did, they did. The description of events sounds like a slightly more aggressive version of the run Luffy has been on since the start of the series. He’d sound bad too if all context was wiped you just listed out all the “bad” things done. Nothing is contradictory. Rocks was a selfish person and was a chaotic force of nature. Got a family, grew up a little bit. Then we get context to his motivations

[fringe escarp]

They coated themselves in haki

[iron oriole]

domi'd butterflies

[blazing mantle]

Moreso whitebeard syndrome

[warm sierra]

mood change

[woeful moth]

probably... but i don't really think they have a connection other than just being his son... they never really became a family... it will be another just Rocks flashback to how he meets her mom...

[spice cairn]

Japan loves Lucci

[runic dock]

They got Domi Reversi’d

[spice cairn]

Are we really that shocked?

[runic dock]

They’re bats now

[ashen perch]

I guess so

[iron oriole]

he's not in top 5 for Japan

[fringe escarp]

Japan didn’t vote for him

[blazing mantle]

Butterflies learning armament before usopp

[spice cairn]

The guy whos like 1# in every fanfic with men ever

[muted hedge]

soon at the shiny odds now, 3869

[blazing mantle]

[woeful moth]

its Middle East and Central/South America

[fringe escarp]

South America did

🥀

[pine scaffold]

Imu should look something like this

[scenic dirge]

Imu so sadistic he Domi’s small insects 😔

[spice cairn]

Ah thats botting then.

[wraith mantle]

so he wants to be king of the world just to sieze power? i think there is more to it

[iron oriole]

Africa too

[wraith mantle]

pray to nika

[wraith mantle]

peak

[fringe escarp]

AFRICA MY GOAT

[spice cairn]

Since when did South America ever vouch for Lucci ever

[brittle basin]

I kind of agreed with what you're saying in a reply above. The narrator does not provide context, true, and that could change everything if we just knew more about these "crimes" Rocks is said to have committed.

[frigid gulch]

Davy D. Jones throne

[urban lodge]

He wanted to be king of the world to house the homeless of course

[muted hedge]

i don't think they'll have a third eye but white hair is a must

[frigid gulch]

[fringe escarp]

they decided they HATE luffy because he’s Brazilian

[blazing mantle]

Too majestic

[runic dock]

Absolutely won’t

[pine scaffold]

Yeah ignore the third eye lmao

I kinda want Imu to look androgynous

[muted hedge]

basically Griffith

[wraith mantle]

why is luccy top 5 in middle east bro

[iron oriole]

time to start complaining soon

[wraith mantle]

above luffy too 💔

[fringe escarp]

Where are leopards from

[pine scaffold]

what will it be then

[muted hedge]

do you think i'll get it before i pass them?

[wraith mantle]

oh hell nah

[spice cairn]

Lucci is the perfect edgy modern Tumblr sexy man

Why are we surprise?

[iron oriole]

atp, probably not

[blazing mantle]

What a sentence

[fringe escarp]

Surprised

[soft tangle]

The government irl pushing to erase Rocks from history too

[spice cairn]

Literally Egghead was free advertisement

[muted hedge]

damn

[pine scaffold]

if Imu has a goofy design like Vegapunk, we're cooked man

[urban lodge]

Lucci is simply that guy

[pine scaffold]

theres no way

[iron oriole]

you're only like what 200 resets off rate

roughly

[cosmic hamlet]

Okay who voted for lucci?

[runic dock]

BEHOLD

[muted hedge]

i am praying for a miracle

[woeful moth]

god i wanna reference another manga but the WG here will ban me

fckin Gorosei ass

[iron oriole]

ime, its usually get it early & be lucky or above rate, but i hope you get it soon

[pine scaffold]

All I pray for is Imu to not look anything like the sus fanarts

Don't make Imu have revealing clothing bruh

[soft tangle]

They’re gonna be Lili

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smiling-smiling-cat-4

[pulsar timber]

But I don’t understand the fixation (not you, but a lot of rocks haters) on the crimes listing being a different rocks from the one we saw. Feels like that assumption comes from the fact that Oda is trying to portray him as righteous when I don’t get that vibe at all. He’s just a man who found a family and cared for them, as well as his families legacy. Shakky even comments that rocks seems more “fulfilled” and that’s because he found a wife and I think had Blackbeard already. Oda is just showing rocks the ruthless man that he was and rocks the father and husband he grew to be

[soft tangle]

We will have 3+ Vivi clones in the end game

[iron oriole]

so Nami clones?

[soft tangle]

All blue hair

[spice cairn]

Its almost like Rocks is supposed to be viewed differently from different perspectives given pirate the propaganda machine against them exist.

[woeful moth]

tbh... Imu is probably really just the black blob vs Luffy's whole white thing... in the end it s really just black vs white

[rich hornet]

Forget gods knights. Imu’s commanders are his personal harem

[woeful moth]

but i don't want that

[urban lodge]

His presentation is just confusing

[muted hedge]

this but with white hair

@ InkyLightsNeonEyes

[iron oriole]

always racism smh...

[sterile fjord]

it's sillihoutte of Imu

[rich hornet]

I don’t think it is at this point

[iron oriole]

This is the real Imu

[urban lodge]

While yes it's obvious that Oda wanted to show us that he isn't the monster he was made out to be it feels like Oda lost himself in trying to make him cool and likeable

[sterile fjord]

i think we'll get to see in next chapter..

[fringe escarp]

Ong I need to see the ancient kingdom be rats ASAP

[brittle basin]

I never personally viewed him as righteous, more like chaotic good or chaotic neutral at worst. Basically, he's willing to do whatever it takes (chaotic) to achieve his goal of overthrowing the WG (good). But as for people who don't like Rocks I think they see what the narrator says about him and on paper it does sound awful. And I know I personally would like context 'cause the version the narrator describes betrays the version we see on the panels (or who knows, maybe he truly was just a bastard who had a heart of gold only at certain times).

[spice cairn]

He is the same tier as Teech but I think what really separates him is that Rocks despite himself actually cares about SOMEONE in some form.

Teech doesn't.

And probably views it as weakness friend slop

[fringe escarp]

He’s def not the same tier

[pulsar timber]

What is confusing lol? He was a ruthless madman for years. Oda showed us this. He blew up ships, raided Mariejois alone and took out an admiral, boasted about taking over the world. He met his family and chilled out slightly. Sengoku and the world government just worked out an insane propaganda machine.

[fringe escarp]

Rocks admires and values world peace

[spice cairn]

He is just as cunning and attractive.

[fringe escarp]

Ayo.

[urban lodge]

But at the same time he felt the need to make the charity the stole from evil

[fringe escarp]

If Blackbeard is attractive

Why is he FAT?

[spice cairn]

And they do aim for world domination at least in some form

Its just philosophy

Teech does it for the wrong reasons

[urban lodge]

And he leaves a lot of his actions up to speculation

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard keeps slaves

[spice cairn]

Are we pretending Rocks never had a single slave ever?

[formal wagon]

[spice cairn]

Like ever ever

[fringe escarp]

Like rocks def isn’t purely wholesome but teach is legit the pirate version of the celestial dragons

[frigid gulch]

That’s b/c Rocks’ actions were probably twisted

[fringe escarp]

He didn’t

Nothing even remotely implies he did

[spice cairn]

Ever ever?

[fringe escarp]

I’m burning your home

[frigid gulch]

But I find that a little cringe

[spice cairn]

Like even a tiny bit.

[frigid gulch]

If it’s every single instance

[fringe escarp]

Look outside

[frigid gulch]

Still

[spice cairn]

A guy like rocks didn't have the urge to enslave ANYONE

Within his tender

[fringe escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[pulsar timber]

The narrator box doesn’t betray the rocks we knew and saw at that point though. Up to that point we saw him raid Mariejois alone and kill an admiral; and his first meeting with a kid giant he beat the shit out of. And then he collected a crew of dude we know are morally reprehensible. The narrator box didn’t betray anything. Sounds like what rocks would do at that point.

[wraith mantle]

has law ever had slaves?

[fringe escarp]

Only a handful of

[spice cairn]

If you count the hearts he played with

Definitely.

[iron oriole]

mailbox admitting he botted Lucci smh

[frigid gulch]

Luccibox

[formal wagon]

not gonna lie if i knew how to i would 10000000%

[pulsar timber]

What did Blackbeard mean by this

[spice cairn]

I mean tbf Muk

Rocks did the same shit with Harald

Its in the genes

[muted hedge]

i guess that's what Eris fell for

[pulsar timber]

Rocks x harald doomed yaoi

[iron oriole]

the Red Hair one? obviously a comment on his scar which BB gave him

[woeful moth]

Rocks has a mafia, a yakuza, a slime under him... dude had slaves... he just doesn't know it

[wraith mantle]

bb always likes to remind shanks of the scar he gave him

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard likes men with scars

[woeful moth]

[wraith mantle]

bro is so proud

[iron oriole]

tbf i'd keep reminding him too

scarred the mfer without any DFs at the time, bro now has 2 & Shanks still wants the smoke

[spice cairn]

Anyways I think I liked the prespective we got with Rocks generally speaking

[formal wagon]

didnt blackbeard scar shanks while he had an imu contract as well ?

[iron oriole]

no

[pulsar timber]

I really liked rocks. Him becoming a family man and wanting to continue or revive the legacy of his lineage

[strong wadi]

Could easily be before he got the shallow contract

[wraith mantle]

need bb to give him the ass whooping he so clearly longs for

[iron oriole]

Shanks' eye was bandaged when he was shown at Marijoa

so it happened before he got there

[muted hedge]

Shamrock scarred Whitebeard btw

[pulsar timber]

Shanks is killing Blackbeard

[iron oriole]

Rat propaganda

Shanks too busy stalking BB to actually do something

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard is too busy taking stimulus checks and hand outs from Oda to do anything cool

[wraith mantle]

never seen a man chase another man across all seas, the yaoi is strong with shanks

[spice cairn]

It only works because I think Teech bounces off it as his own individual who cares more about himself as a complete opposite.

As its suppose to be his ideal of how to actually rule things.

[strong wadi]

Shanks hasnt done that, you confusing him with Ace, the true yaoi king

[iron oriole]

Shanks talking about "i 100% thought he'd show up at Wano" meanwhile BB is just chilling not all that far away waiting for whoever to leave Wano & come there

[wraith mantle]

damn bb is the boa hancock of men

[royal orchid]

zamn

[spice cairn]

Why do you think he wanted the Mero

[royal orchid]

Nami fans on double time

[pulsar timber]

We will likely get more of rocks and Eris relationship in the bitchbeard flashback so I’m excited for that

[spice cairn]

Im so ready

[woeful moth]

"my mother told me" starts flashback

[soft tangle]

He owns the verse

[muted hedge]

i'm gonna make some bacon

[pulsar timber]

Shanks owns him

[spice cairn]

Shanks probably wins in a straight confrontation

But of course Teech doesn't play fair.

So There's more variables at play

[hoary steppe]

With pancakes?

[muted hedge]

no

with noodles

[hoary steppe]

🗣️

[fringe escarp]

I find this line funny because it really puts into perspective how much we hyped Blackbeard during Wano

I think fucking everyone expected him to come

[dense rapids]

Yall not ready for the Sommers sneak

[fringe escarp]

But we both know he had a far more devious a scheming plan

TAKE HOME THE LOVE LOVE FRUIT

[iron oriole]

i'm still expecting him to go to Wano

[fringe escarp]

[iron oriole]

especially now

[fringe escarp]

Too late ngl

[iron oriole]

nah

[muted hedge]

i'd prefer if Cross Guild goes to Wano and gets Pluton

[iron oriole]

Caribou telling him Pluton is there

[fringe escarp]

The ancient weapon makes the most sense but him coming at the end of Wano would’ve been perfect

Like literally the biggest golden opportunity of all time

[cosmic hamlet]

Gold bellemere 🥺

[iron oriole]

it would have been a lot harder for BB ngl

[fringe escarp]

A fucking island teeming with OP fruits with vulnerable and weakened captains

[fringe escarp]

If he brought the bum brigade again yeah

[craggy vapor]

Someone needs to save all the artwork from the poll

[iron oriole]

instead of just Scabbards + Yamato to deal with, it would be SHs, Law, Kid, Shanks crew + Scabbards & Yamato

thats not the kind of fight BB likes

[fringe escarp]

*weakened and gravely injured scabbards Yamato and the alliance

[iron oriole]

and Marco is still hanging around too

ehh SHs were ready to fight

at least the monster trio was

[muted hedge]

Marco joining Shanks would've been hype

i am sad he didn't

[fringe escarp]

By the end of the 1 week timeskip they were more capable

But that’s still one whole week

[hoary steppe]

Nah, shanks thought bb pulled up, meanwhile bb was waiting nearby wano island

[fringe escarp]

Where Blackbeard prioritized a fruit he can’t even fucking use

[iron oriole]

fr

[craggy vapor]

Is this how he is officially spelled?

[muted hedge]

romanized i think

[woeful moth]

yeah romanized

[iron oriole]

who says he cant use it

[fringe escarp]

Even his fucking NAME cant get a W

[iron oriole]

he obviously had a reason for going for it

[urban lodge]

Tbf no one will vote for him anyway

[soft tangle]

Blackbeard gonna call him Celestial Boy and make his ass turn red

[fringe escarp]

Yeah and he completely fumbled and didn’t bother returning

[muted hedge]

i am sure some Mihawk haters definitely would

[fringe escarp]

So clearly it wasn’t a big priority for him

It wasn’t integral

Just one of a hundreds fruits he’s after

[woeful moth]

Shiryu makes more sense which means "death" and "dragon" combined...

[muted hedge]

huh

[fringe escarp]

And her fruit only works best with someone like her or s snake

[iron oriole]

sure its not a majorly important fruit for him

[woeful moth]

he's literally DeathDragon of the Rain

[muted hedge]

so edgy

[fringe escarp]

See let me rephrase this

[stone terrace]

Shanks almost ruined his crew with a df merchant

[craggy vapor]

who is that

[muted hedge]

Zoro's father

[urban lodge]

Zoro's dad

[iron oriole]

it's Roronoa Arashi

[brittle basin]

False. Zoro was a virgin birth.

[soft tangle]

That man

[craggy vapor]

Man my memory sucks.

[muted hedge]

it's from an sbs

[fringe escarp]

Boas fruit under the worlds ugliest crew

Or every single supernovas and their crews fruits in wano on top of potentially big mom and kaidos since he wouldn’t know they died yet

ON TOP of Marcos fruit

[stone terrace]

In my effort to make mihawk more interesting i am theorizing that arashi was killed by him

[woeful moth]

yeah from SBS... never really mentioned in manga proper

so its ok that you don't know

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard couldn’t even get a clean win over the kuja even if Ray didn’t come

Boa completely cooked his plan

[iron oriole]

BB was willing to take the gamble

[fringe escarp]

On one fruit that’s only best used by universally cute or beautiful people

[iron oriole]

its only because Rayleigh showed up that he didn't just snap Boa's neck right there

[hoary steppe]

Wut

[fringe escarp]

While he has the ugliest crew

[hoary steppe]

[fringe escarp]

Yeah I know

[woeful moth]

tbh its the Love-Love Fruit not the Lust-Lust Fruit

[fringe escarp]

That doesn’t change that BB lost a LOT by going after it

Again if Ray didn’t come

[hoary steppe]

Means boa dead

[fringe escarp]

Then the mf couldn’t even get laws fruit

[stray prism]

Voting time

[sterile fjord]

it acts like lust lust fruit , tbh

[craggy vapor]

Couldn’t they have found a better pic of Imu? 🥴

[wraith mantle]

have the last 3 chapters always ended with an imu panel?

[fringe escarp]

It’s so ass

[fringe escarp]

Yes

[wraith mantle]

damn

[iron oriole]

actually sad they didn't use a pic of the plush

[fringe escarp]

Like bro there’s nothing remotely good about Blackbeards plan that is superior to jumping the supernova right as the war ended

[hoary steppe]

Who tf is this

[fringe escarp]

He’s actually such a bum

[hoary steppe]

He’s actually real smart

[sterile fjord]

what Pic???

[hoary steppe]

[stray prism]

the goat charlotte Poire

[mighty shell]

do we still have an emote of her

[fringe escarp]

Wait…is he also contending for the title of smartest man in the east blue?

[mighty shell]

damn rip the poire emote

[woeful moth]

it is a type of love... so yeah... but not specifically only that

[muted hedge]

3900, 74 hours...
time to make bacon for real

[fringe escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kuro-kuro-one-piece-captain-kuro-klahadore-gif-12211464375102468335

[hoary steppe]

fastest growing pirate

[fringe escarp]

This is the lvl of intelligence post ts Blackbeard has

[fringe escarp]

Fuck no lmao

[hoary steppe]

It is

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard has been a pirate for 34 years under a yonko crew

[woeful moth]

like the Kuja that gets turned to stone are most likely admires her rather than lust for her... which is another form of love

[hoary steppe]

He started his own pirate crew then 2 years hes a yonko

[fringe escarp]

And only started his journey after 3 decades of going after one fruit

[fringe escarp]

Because he was prepping for 34 years LMAO

[hoary steppe]

Under wb isnt counted blackbeard pirate is the fastest growing

[fringe escarp]

It isn’t? Ok then

Luffy training for 2 years doesn’t count either

[woeful moth]

Luffy better... he started being a pirate then after 2 years he is a yonko

[fringe escarp]

That’s less than a year pre timeskip and a few months post timeskip and now he’s a yonko

[hoary steppe]

Well they technically lost at timeskip

[fringe escarp]

Losing a battle isn’t a issue

[hoary steppe]

Bb issa yonko after ts

[craggy vapor]

Shanks is super good looking

[woeful moth]

been a pirate for decades

[dense rapids]

Need Imu to be moving like Lucifer next chapter

[hoary steppe]

If its luffy it’s isnt issue

But when bb jump someone yall call him clown 💀

[fringe escarp]

If his crew was actually disbanded that’s a different story

But they basically just trained for 2 years

[dense rapids]

Lucifer’s Descent

[hoary steppe]

His own pirate, not under wb

[fringe escarp]

I call luffy a bum of times for losing lmfao

[woeful moth]

still a pirate... can't even be a pirate captain from the start... BUM

[iron oriole]

i actually can't wait, SHs and everyone is thinking everything is gonna be fine now

[fringe escarp]

But blackbeard is not more impressive than luffy

And it isn’t even close

[hoary steppe]

U said it aint issue not me 🤷‍♂️

[fringe escarp]

It isn’t a issue in the sense that it doesn’t change the speed they grew

[hoary steppe]

Bro he was hunted since baby 😭, luffy actually had a better start than most of the pirate

[woeful moth]

in those 2 years too... like he actively opposed larger threats

[fringe escarp]

Again you chose not to count the 34 years he wasn’t a active pirate captain

[hoary steppe]

Remind me when the first time shp formed

[hoary steppe]

Cuz it aint?

[fringe escarp]

Then the 2 years doesnt count for luffy’s crew

[woeful moth]

because they aren't pirating in that 2 years yeah

[fringe escarp]

Because they effectively did what blackbeard did for 34 years

[fringe escarp]

In universe? 2 years ago

[hoary steppe]

Duh, their crew were formed before that? While bb start after he killed thatch

[fringe escarp]

That’s irrelevant they were not active

[woeful moth]

when Luffy met Zoro... 2 years ago

they weren't active most of that time

[fringe escarp]

Fastest growing implies the time they’re a active crew

Luffy was not active

[hoary steppe]

Nice thank you

[woeful moth]

like BB being not a "pirate captain" for 30+ years

[hoary steppe]

So before ts is luffy active

[fringe escarp]

Once he becomes a pirate yes

[cold steppe]

I wouldn't waste time on this subject. Since it's intentional to have the MCs a certain age in shonen

[fringe escarp]

Which was less than a year

[woeful moth]

yeah then he's not for 2 years then he is from the return to Sabaody to now

[hoary steppe]

Cuz it aint formed yet bruh 💀 can u tell the difference

[woeful moth]

could've formed it so much earlier

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard took almost 3 years to be where he is

Luffy took less than a year

[woeful moth]

he's just a bum that didn't form his own pirate crew for 30+ years

[fringe escarp]

This fr

[hoary steppe]

Remind me again his main mission at wb crew

[cold steppe]

We don't know that

[woeful moth]

be a bum waiting for a devil fruit

[hoary steppe]

Find yami df
Start his own crew

[fringe escarp]

Hunting for a single fruit for 34 years

Before choosing to start

[cold steppe]

He could've had his crew while being with whitebeard

[fringe escarp]

This is actually true

By the time we meet blackbeard he had just killed thatch AND had a crew

[hoary steppe]

Davy d jones entire clan was ambushed bro 💀, he started a pirate when hes a kid would be dead instantly

[hoary steppe]

No

Bb was hunted

[fringe escarp]

He doesn’t need to be a kid though?

[woeful moth]

NO... he could start like Luffy... when he turns 19

[hoary steppe]

He hiding under WB is literally best choice he can do

[woeful moth]

DAFUQ

[fringe escarp]

This lmfao

[woeful moth]

but he did not

[hoary steppe]

Read GV again

[woeful moth]

dude survived... he could've started his own crew when he turned 19

[fringe escarp]

Btw luffy is the son of THE revolutionary army leader

[hoary steppe]

Luffy has the best start point than most of pirate

[ornate tartan]

shanks was a captain at age 15 or 16 🔥 probably 2nd youngest after bonney and didn’t have an age fruit to make him physically older then he is

[woeful moth]

LUFFY IS THE SON OF THE MOST WANTED MAN

[fringe escarp]

Being the son of the world’s worst criminal?

We gonna gloss over that

[hoary steppe]

Yes? And both dragon and garp was in marine, they are not that hunted like Davy

[fringe escarp]

Dragon wasn’t in the navy when luffy was born

Dogshit argument

[hoary steppe]

The clan

Bro 💀

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-yasopp-yasopp-one-piece-shanks-gif-16921955228110817511

[hoary steppe]

His entire bloodline is extinct

[woeful moth]

The Navy wasn't hunting BB... THE DAVY WERE ALL PRESUMED DEAD AFTER THE INCIDENT

[fringe escarp]

So you saying the worlds worst criminal wasn’t as recognized and hunted than the Davy clan?

[fringe escarp]

^ lmfao

[woeful moth]

[fringe escarp]

They literally let him be a warlord

Like bro 😭

Dragon is the single biggest enemy the world gov has ever faced and the biggest threat to them rn

Emphasis on RIGHT NOW

not over 4 decades ago before having his entire family presumed dead

And teach even hid his true name

Luffy didn’t

[ornate tartan]

u must’ve forgot

about the mochi god

[fringe escarp]

MIKA

[woeful moth]

from the point Luffy was born... he is already the Revolutionary Leader anyway

[fringe escarp]

NAH WAIT MOKA

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[hoary steppe]

This title isn’t big of a deal than the D clan whose been hunted for 800 years

[fringe escarp]

this is insane blackbeard glaze we ain’t dickriding him for being a active pirate under a yonko for 34 years looking for one fruit

[woeful moth]

again... he is not hunted anymore when everyone was presumed dead

[fringe escarp]

The title is a far bigger deal than a clan that was presumed extinct

[fringe escarp]

^

The Davy aren’t a threat now

They had no idea one lived lmao

Like bro this isn’t even a discussion

[woeful moth]

unlike Luffy who started his life with THE REVOLUTIONARY LEADER ALIVE as his dad

[hoary steppe]

Not at all, bb was hiding his D clan untill he got exposed by his influence.. even saturn know bb bloodline

[fringe escarp]

So once he became a yonko lvl threat he was recognized

[hoary steppe]

Lol what? Headcanon

[fringe escarp]

Not headcanon

[woeful moth]

ONLY AFTER MARINEFORD WAS HE RECOGNIZED

[hoary steppe]

Proof it

[fringe escarp]

They’re not hunting for a extinct race

[woeful moth]

[fringe escarp]

Were they hunting for the Davy clan

[hoary steppe]

Explain how saturn know bb exists

[fringe escarp]

Because blackbeard became a far more recognized criminal with a 2 bil bounty

[hoary steppe]

Were they hunt revs

[fringe escarp]

Yes??? LMFAO

[woeful moth]

they finally recognized him after HE IS THE BIG PIRATE

not before

[fringe escarp]

THEY LITERALLY SENT A GODS KNIGHT AFTER A COMMANDER BRO

[hoary steppe]

Show me the panel

[woeful moth]

LITERALLY TORTURED KUMA'S LIFE

[fringe escarp]

sorry TECHNICALLY unconfirmed

[hoary steppe]

💀

[fringe escarp]

But it’s damn near confirmed at this point

Ginny was confirmed to be taken by a celestial dragon while out on post

[woeful moth]

IMPRISONED IVANKOV

LIKE HELL YEAH THEY ARE HUNTED

[hoary steppe]

Now if he’s started like luffy, and give exposure to WG just like luffy did to enies lobby, would u think bb still breath today 💀

[fringe escarp]

Dragon also has the highest bounty of all time

[fringe escarp]

Yeah lol

[hoary steppe]

So headcanon, no hks hunting revs

[woeful moth]

if he started like Luffy after 2 years becomes a Yonko he would be as impressive... but he did not

[fringe escarp]

Not headcanon to say the celestial dragons went after the revs

[hoary steppe]

They took ginny for wife material 💀

[fringe escarp]

At the same time a holy knight had a mission

[hoary steppe]

Stop headcanoning

[muted hedge]

bacon is so good

[woeful moth]

also destroy a couple government institutions and beat a whole covert operation and also beat 3 warlords

[fringe escarp]

Took Ginny to be rp and enslaved? Are you seriously gonna downplay that

Do you think being wife material means being treated with care lmfao

[hoary steppe]

It took 2 years after he got yami and gura for him to become yonko ? U ignoring fact

[fringe escarp]

The fact is luffy has been a active pirate for a smaller time than Blackbeard

This isn’t headcanon this is objectively true

[hoary steppe]

Bcuz u saying hk/wg aim for revs, meanwhile ginny was taken by wg for wife material not cuz shes revs

[fringe escarp]

Luffy has also been a active pirate CAPTAIN for a smaller time

[fringe escarp]

Insane headcanon what the fuck

[woeful moth]

and has actively opposed the government the whole time...

[fringe escarp]

They happened to stumble upon a rev army base?

Yeah ok nigga

And btw the moment the gov knew where the rev army base was they immediately sent a armada

And again dragon is objectively the most hunted man in the world

[fringe escarp]

With the biggest bounty

[fringe escarp]

And? That doesn’t mean she wasn’t targeted for being a rev

[hoary steppe]

What?? Lmaooo Bb wrecked batilgo

Not WG

[fringe escarp]

Nigga he literally led the gov to Baltigo

[hoary steppe]

Revs poking more than WG did to revs

[hoary steppe]

Bb expose them to wg

Wg didnt even tried

[fringe escarp]

So just to be clear

The worlds most wanted man isn’t the worlds most wanted man

Is this your argument

[hoary steppe]

So as world strongest swordsman

[woeful moth]

[fringe escarp]

I’m just asking you

[hoary steppe]

Or world strongest who ever the hell is

Its just title bro 💀

[fringe escarp]

Worlds most wanted man means highest bounty

[hoary steppe]

Prooof it

[fringe escarp]

What the fuck kind of argument is that

[hoary steppe]

Kaido, wb, mihawk

Its title given by people

[fringe escarp]

The WG recognizes him as the worst criminal that means he’s the most wanted lmfao

[muted hedge]

Dragon being the world's worst criminal makes it pretty self explanatory that he'd also have the highest bounty to boot

[woeful moth]

most wanted means he is wanted and not actually just because of any anecdotal accounts like the titles... he is most wanted because he just simply is by the WG... and the WG puts it to him

[fringe escarp]

^^^

[hoary steppe]

Bcz he is the only org that only aim for WG

[shrewd topaz]

Most likely he is the worst criminal cuz of his ideology

[fringe escarp]

All this to glaze fucking blackbeard for being the worlds slowest pirate

[muted hedge]

?

[fringe escarp]

You can’t even win in the active pirate captain rank

Because blackbeard is still slower than luffy LMAO

[woeful moth]

Blackbeard is the most patient pirate... now that's something i can hang with

[fringe escarp]

This is true

[muted hedge]

oh wait nevermind i read wrong, yeah his ideology is definitely a factor

[fringe escarp]

This is the only thing you could argue

[shrewd topaz]

The reason why he is known as worst criminal is his ideology of revolution. This goes against imu who is trying to control everything

[fringe escarp]

Luffy became a yonko in less than a year of active piracy

Blackbeard achieved the same in 2 years minimum

[hoary steppe]

Davy d jones whos hunted for 800 years, and u comparing to Revs ? Insane 💀

[fringe escarp]

What’s crazy is that this is pussyfooting around the actual topic

Blackbeard objectively is not the fastest growing pirate captain

Luffy is and it isn’t remotely close

[hoary steppe]

Active - lost - back again , get a grip

[fringe escarp]

If anything luffy’s bounty is far lower than what it should be

[woeful moth]

Blackbeard is a captain before Luffy right?

[hoary steppe]

You ignoring fact

[tough igloo]

yeah like a few months before

[hoary steppe]

You just slander bb

For no reason lmao

[fringe escarp]

Active lost and chose not to be active then returned

[fringe escarp]

It isn’t slander to say 2+ years is higher than less than a year

[hoary steppe]

“Why not start this age” dumbest argument

[hoary steppe]

Lost

[fringe escarp]

Then continued to be a active pirate before CHOOSING to be inactive to prep

[hoary steppe]

Still lost

[shrewd topaz]

Bb is a bum
Reason being getting damaged by bumgoku(note: same guy who couldn't dmg pre ts luffy)

[woeful moth]

he chose not to be active... he was literally in the news announcing hiatus

[fringe escarp]

Irrelevant to your argument of growth

[woeful moth]

[fringe escarp]

Losing is natural

[hoary steppe]

Its a fact?

[fringe escarp]

How you come back from that is what matters

[hoary steppe]

Am i lying

[distant vine]

I really like Loki's arsenal so far

[dense rapids]

Biblo’s owner is in the heaven realm and it’ll be a Valkyrie/volva type of figure

[fringe escarp]

I didn’t say you lied, I said that’s irrelevant to growth

[distant vine]

I hope Oda gives us a good fight

[fringe escarp]

Luffy objectively grew faster than blackbeard

[woeful moth]

Fire, Ice, Lightning... CLASSIC Legendary Trio of powers... Firaga, Blizzaga, Thundaga... Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres

[jade rain]

This arc is severely lacking in good fights

[tough igloo]

last arc was too

[muted hedge]

ah yes, Freyja

[tough igloo]

thankfully toei helped out with the kizaru fight

[dense rapids]

This is where this will come in

[fringe escarp]

And if we counting how strong each of them were when they started then even including the 2 years luffy slams

[dense rapids]

An OlderWoman

[distant vine]

Robin vs Sommers was nice but we havent gotten a full fight yet

[prisma yacht]

🐐🐐🩷🔥

[dense rapids]

She will be like Loki’s mother

[distant vine]

Im really excited to see how the anime does this fight

[dense rapids]

A seeres

[jade rain]

It was barely half a chapter, the closest to an actual fight was rocks vs Roger and garp

[dense rapids]

The real holy mother of Elbaph

[hoary steppe]

U going circle lil bro, ill summarize things up

Bb start his own crew after thatch death

Luffy start at east blue, dont add “if” again 💀

[fringe escarp]

That’s crazy because that doesn’t change luffy growing faster

[distant vine]

I liked Robin's fight more than that one

[woeful moth]

holy child trafficker of Elbaph

[hoary steppe]

It does 😭 how tf timeline work for u

[dense rapids]

The officials Jarul could literally be saying there’s an older woman

[fringe escarp]

Luffy was objectively inactive for 2 years

Blackbeard was active

[hoary steppe]

They lost

💀

[craggy vapor]

yet we don’t exactly know what exactly he did to deserve that title

[fringe escarp]

Again irrelevant to growth rate as a pirate

[ornate tartan]

the strawhats only been on the seas for 8 months

[fringe escarp]

Your single argument was blackbeard is the fastest growing pirate

How they got there as you say is irrelevant since you won’t include the 34 years

[hoary steppe]

It does, the topic literally fastest growing, you say objectively act like that timeline gone for 2 years

[muted hedge]

raising an organisation which it's entire purpose is to bring down the Celestial Dragons is probably a factor to why

[fringe escarp]

Because luffy hasn’t been a active pirate for more than a year

This is just factual

[hoary steppe]

Cuz hes literally not a captain at wb 💀

[shadow knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1486253793854357644.webp?size=96&animated=true

[fringe escarp]

And luffy wasn’t active during the timeskip

[hoary steppe]

Lost

[ornate tartan]

and all of the worst generation members were pirates years before luffy, they didn’t start when luffy did in chapter 1 (except zoro)

[fringe escarp]

Irrelevant to growth rate

You can spam losing as if that changes shit

[ornate tartan]

law and kidd and bege were on the seas with ace

and cavendish

[tough igloo]

tbf in those 2 years , Luffy was training with one of the greatest pirates ever getting stronger so it’s not like he wasnt growing during that time he was “ inactive” cause that’s when he grew the most in strength

[fringe escarp]

Again irrelevant to growth rate

[hoary steppe]

No way i gotta do the panel

[tough igloo]

both luffy & teach are the fastest growing .. there easy and simple lol

Worst Generation is general grows super fast in strength compared to everybody else

[fringe escarp]

And honestly if you really want to include growth rate including the two years

Luffy still wins

[woeful moth]

you just proved they got eradicated... which means they aren't active... then came back so much faster growing that BB pirates

[hoary steppe]

It is, there is no in between

[hoary steppe]

It just mean they lost 😭

[fringe escarp]

Because Blackbeard STARTED far stronger than luffy did

[jade rain]

If you include that then bb was with WB for 25 years so it wasn't like he was inactive

[woeful moth]

ERADICATED means GONE

[fringe escarp]

Growth is about where they are when they start

To where they are now

[woeful moth]

which means they aren't active anymore

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard was at minimum commander lvl when he started

[craggy vapor]

how successful were they tho

[hoary steppe]

Basically lost to kuma

[tough igloo]

agree that’s why i said the argument is dumb all together lol all the worst generation grow faster than others according to Shanks himself & cipher pol

[fringe escarp]

Luffy was losing to crocodile when he started

[woeful moth]

its the same line used to describe what happened to the Rocks pirates

[muted hedge]

very, they've liberated multiple islands from the corrupt grasp of the World Governments regime

[shadow knoll]

Everytime I visit this server, I feel like I lose some braincells

Soon there will be none left

[fringe escarp]

So in terms of where luffy started to now, luffy is still faster even including the 2 years

[tough igloo]

Law went from struggling with Doffy to weeks later he’s fucking up the most durable yonkos in the story lol

[hoary steppe]

Idk who the hell brought #manga ppl here

[shadow knoll]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01GD577JKG000D0W2W8BWF52PE/4x.avif

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/strawhats/status/2038173320940585209

One Piece Daily (@strawhats)

ELBAPH ARC🔥🔥

X · Mar 29, 2026, 8:36 AM

[fringe escarp]

Going from jobbing to literal fodder to yonko in over 2 years is more impressive than going from being stronger than a commander to yonko

[craggy vapor]

but what did Dragon specifically do besides looking east and glazing God Knights?

[wraith mantle]

elbaf arc 🔥

[fringe escarp]

In terms of growth luffy still slams

[shadow knoll]

Domi Doodoo finna bring back Rocks and Harald from the dead

[urban epoch]

Why is there no Sommers panel in that collage

This sucks

[fringe escarp]

And it’s pretty embarassing once the full picture is seen

[wraith mantle]

sommers is not that peak

[jade rain]

True, it's a shounen manga, all protagonists will be strongest in their teens

[tough igloo]

Luffy = fastest growing pirate within 2-3 years

Teach = pirate who accomplished the most within 2-3 years

[shadow knoll]

I thought was gonna be the arc that was gonna beat Arabasta or Marineford, but shame

[fringe escarp]

I mean

Like let’s be real has teach accomplished the most?

[shadow knoll]

*elbaf

[tough igloo]

he has … he won 2 wars , became a yonko and got a admiral on his crew and gained all of WB territory

and got the DFs

[woeful moth]

Luffy toppling down multiple government operations and warlords are far more better accomplishment than what BB has done...

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard didnt win marineford

[final trench]

Only thing luffy has over bb is who his allies are

[woeful moth]

hell he even "killed" Vegapunk

[tough igloo]

Bb was literally the ONLY winner of marineford

[hoary steppe]

Bb and luffy is the only closest thing to one piece rn lmao

[woeful moth]

according to WG

[iron oriole]

raided Impel Down
killed WB
destroyed Marineford
destroyed the leftovers of WB crew
took over Hachinosu

[fringe escarp]

Stop fucking hating on him he has vasco shot

[jade rain]

It's been disappointing cause of the fast pace lately but there is still time

[shadow knoll]

Teach obviously has achieved the most, bro's a 5Head

[final trench]

Bro ate 2 DFs and took whitebeards territory

[fringe escarp]

Didn’t deny that

[final trench]

Then when marco spun he got spanked

[fringe escarp]

Well actually except for shanks

[final trench]

Vasco is lowkey like that

[iron oriole]

BB has like 27356 different plans going at once

[tough igloo]

Marines & WB fleet both took La during Marineford War … BB was the one who orchestrated it and walked away with the biggest Ws from it without losing anything

[ornate tartan]

i was glad when that uncle ruckus garp got scolded and punched by dadan

[tough igloo]

he clearly won that war

[iron oriole]

he's out trying to collect DFs and shit meanwhile Laffitte is fucking with the Revs or whatever etc

[woeful moth]

also isn't Luffy the nearest to ONE PIECE too? he has the most red poneglyph information with someone who actually can read it?

[hoary steppe]

Bb on marineford is against everyone

[fringe escarp]

Because he appeared last second lmao

If you want to include that then shanks is completely clean after marineford

[copper minnow]

gear 5 truly tanked luffy's popularity 😭

[urban epoch]

He is, he's got 3, everyone else has 2 at most

[final trench]

Not necessarily

[woeful moth]

like BB needs someone who can read it and 2 more... Luffy already has 3 and someone who can read it

[hoary steppe]

Bb has law (wano, zou) wci when kuzan and augur raid wci

[fringe escarp]

The marines lost marineford

That’s pretty much it

[shadow knoll]

I mean I don't mind but it does leave a lingering feeling of wanting more, but I'm still so salty about Oda not giving the buff to Franky in Egghead for the sake of convenience so that Egghead feels a lot more impactful and dark on Vegapunk's death, which could have been prevented if Franky got the buff, especially since it was thematically accurate

[fringe escarp]

By timeskip they’ve become far more powerful

[final trench]

I think people are finally liking more characters than just luffy

[hoary steppe]

They steal pudding

[tough igloo]

i don’t think you know what winning a war means smh Shanks came to stop the war that Blackbeard had created and Blackbeard even says he got what he wanted out of Marineford … Marines admitted they took Ls during that war & WB side lost .. only BB won the war that he created

[shadow knoll]

Sorry, I'm yapping too much

[final trench]

I mean, ace and wb died

So in their minds they won

[woeful moth]

"theoretically" can read it... still can't

[iron oriole]

BB also the only person to successfully raid the Revs, not even the WG do that

[fringe escarp]

Yeah that was the main goal

[woeful moth]

but Luffy already has actually someone that can read it

[hoary steppe]

If its rumour, mean its true

[fringe escarp]

They took down a yonko

[ornate tartan]

that lucci hype is insane in the poll

[shadow knoll]

Lucci in 2026?

smh

[final trench]

Bro Blackbeard can read it

[hoary steppe]

Pudding one of the rare race that went extinct

[ornate tartan]

i think the rankings change every week

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard basically grabbed whitebeards fruit and dipped when shanks arrived

[ornate tartan]

it’s only for a 1 week period

[woeful moth]

i am talking about actually already there... they have pudding who "potentially" can read it... ROBIN ALREADY CAN READ IT

[hoary steppe]

He wreck marineford

[shadow knoll]

Oh okay

But why suddenly

[fringe escarp]

Whitebeard already destroyed most of it lmfao

[woeful moth]

NEARER TO ONE PIECE

[fringe escarp]

We can’t be considering destroying rubble a win bro

[jade rain]

Wait this vote results are the aggregated votes from beginning right

[tough igloo]

Blackbeard creates a war , both sides of the war take huge Ls , Blackbeard then comes and takes the biggest prize to the war then leaves …

he clearly won the war

[shadow knoll]

Robin being a gatekeeper, classic

[fringe escarp]

The marines lost just marineford and came out far stronger

[ornate tartan]

this crater is Lokis footprint by the way and here’s sommers looking like an ant💀

[shadow knoll]

Exactly what Jason said, BB is too smart

[tough igloo]

no the marines literally lost a lot of marines wtf you think he whole moment with koby and akainu was for

[fringe escarp]

That’s crazy because that doesn’t change what I said

[grand flower]

That’s hus heart

His*

[fringe escarp]

Nigga they lost fodder marines

[tough igloo]

even shanks said both sides lost A LOT

[hoary steppe]

Pudding will able to read it

[tough igloo]

now you just being ignorant to support your point smh you got it

[shadow knoll]

Dragon is such a bum

[fringe escarp]

None of their actual significant combatants were lost

And they took down Roger’s son and a yonko

[woeful moth]

so... Luffy is still nearer to the one piece... its a "WILL BE" vs ALREADY

[hoary steppe]

You said dipped? While bb literally would flip entire marineford

[shadow knoll]

Bro hyped up God Knights like Kaido level threat

[fringe escarp]

They achieved exactly what they came for

[shadow knoll]

For what

[ornate tartan]

yea the one in the middle the other 2 small parts are the halves of his head before he regenerated

[hoary steppe]

Wtf is this argument💀

[tough igloo]

it’s stated multiple times that both the marines & WB sides took losses during marineford

Shanks even says it and Koby

[fringe escarp]

Yeah he dipped

Because beating up rubble isn’t a W

[lofty fern]

Ugh...I forgot April fools is coming....and on a such an important chapter week

[woeful moth]

objectively true

like what are we talking about?? ITS A FACT

[fringe escarp]

Yeah and those losses was greatly outweighed by what they gained

[lofty fern]

I have to be prepared for so many false spoilers

[fringe escarp]

Are you seriously gonna say killing Roger’s son and a yonko is diminished by losing fodder marines

Be for real

[hoary steppe]

Read again what i said

[fringe escarp]

The marines came out far stronger by the end

[tough igloo]

what they gained was a pirate more evil than WB getting his DF .. Oda literally shows marines saying the whole point of the war was to also stop WB and not have to worry about the gura gura anymore … now it’s. 100x worst

[fringe escarp]

And then they gained control of more of the new world

And then their army got stronger

[tough igloo]

what they gained was removing WB and replacing him with someone 1000x worst

[fringe escarp]

Stronger than what it was before

[woeful moth]

speaking of DF being more dangerous to WG... yeah... Luffy's tops that too

[hoary steppe]

Nope, botch casualties were big, even if they continue.. marineford would be gone

[fringe escarp]

Someone who they still value less than every other yonko 🥀

[woeful moth]

[fringe escarp]

No objectively the marines got stronger as a result of marineford

[tough igloo]

they moved to the new world not gained more control of it .. and guess what the person who they helped to replace WB is also doing much worst shit

[fringe escarp]

Worse shit? What did blackbeard do

[tough igloo]

he now has your hero captured and a gorosei appearance … WB wouldn’t have done that shit

[hoary steppe]

What did wb do

Lmao

[ornate tartan]

surprisingly the one people thought was fake the most ended up being true last year, the xebec appearance in small loki flashback in ch 1145

[tough igloo]

and now teach and lafitte are about to fuck up more of their plans

[hoary steppe]

Imu literally said Davy D jones has to perish

[tough igloo]

WH wouldn’t have done this

[fringe escarp]

Have control over a massive part of the new world

[tough igloo]

they don’t have control over a massive part of the new world

[hoary steppe]

Such as? What lmao FMI and those old man island

[tough igloo]

they literally have no control over the new world .. that’s the whole point of the new world

[woeful moth]

Luffy already did worse on Egghead... they can't use their superweapon for now...

[tough igloo]

that’s why they moved to the new world post marineford

[fringe escarp]

…Whitebeard doesn’t?

Did you read what I said

[fringe escarp]

We don’t know, but it was significant enough that the WG gave him a 5 bil bounty

[tough igloo]

WB having control of certain territories of the new world keeping peace isn’t the same as Teach taking those same territories and terrorizing the new world

[fringe escarp]

While Blackbeard sat at 2 bil in wano

[tough igloo]

Marines took a L replacing WB with Teach

that was arguably the biggest L of the war

cause Teach is gonna be the downfall in the end

[hoary steppe]

Wb is the most passive yonko you know this shit

[fringe escarp]

Which btw this is a insane L on his part

[strong wadi]

I mean it's not like the marines personally replaced him. That's just how the chips fell

[tough igloo]

WB was peaceful as hell … he wasn’t doing no crazy shit

[fringe escarp]

And yet is still a far bigger threat to the gov lmfao

[distant vine]

Feel like even if WB lived

[fringe escarp]

*as far as we know

[hoary steppe]

Than bb?

[digital magnet]

They knew that Teach would sooner or later rise anyway

[hoary steppe]

Insane headcanon

[fringe escarp]

Yeah? That’s what a bounty means

[distant vine]

Itd be just a slower decline of the WB Pirates

[tough igloo]

no we’re flat out told by his crew what he was doing

Marco told Neko

he wasn’t doing crazy shit like that

[hoary steppe]

LMAO

Bounty scaling

[fringe escarp]

Do you think bounty doesn’t mean perceived threat to the gov

[woeful moth]

they just forgetting that being nearer to One Piece and knowing what it is is far more a threat to the WG than whatever BB does

[hoary steppe]

So u say bigger bounty = bigger threat?

[fringe escarp]

You mean using the explicit purpose of bounties? Cmon now

[fringe escarp]

Yeah that’s objectively what it means

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673

[woeful moth]

YES... objectively yes

[hoary steppe]

💀

[fringe escarp]

If the WG sees them as a threat they get a massive bounty

[dense rapids]

Or just wait for Redon hints which will be real

[woeful moth]

that's literally how they label how you are WANTED

[tough igloo]

WB having a 5 billion bounty doesn’t mean WB was doing crazy reckless shit like Teach :/ WB was literally peaceful

[prisma idol]

Bounty scaling is back in style

[hoary steppe]

Oh hell no

[woeful moth]

like that why its a WANTED POSTER

[hoary steppe]

In big 26

[fringe escarp]

It means the WG views him as the biggest threat alive

[woeful moth]

why do they WANT YOU? because you are a THREAT to them

[fringe escarp]

Bounty scaling is in reference to ppl using bounties to gauge strength

[hoary steppe]

So u being serious

😭

[tough igloo]

yeah of course he is because his strength is still insane but WB himself was still a peaceful person who just wanted to chill with his family …

[fringe escarp]

I’m not using strength

I’m using perceived threat

Which is objectively what bounties are

Arguing otherwise is arguing against the entire point of bounties

[tough igloo]

strength is part of why your perceived as so much of a threat

especially in one piece

[fringe escarp]

Part of yeah, but threat is the whole

That’s why using bounties for strength isn’t gonna be consistent all the time

But perceived threat is the objective purpose of them

[tough igloo]

even one piece characters use bounties to scale characters strength

but acting like WB had a 5 billion bounty cause he was out here doing crazy reckless shit is just contradicting the story about WB

[woeful moth]

threat to One Piece WG is like how near are you to breaking our status quo... which is measured by how wanted you are by them... which is shown by how large your bounty is

[fringe escarp]

Btw a bit of dogshit writing on odas part

But oda changing Blackbeard bounty is insanely embarrassing

[woeful moth]

like its straight up like that

[urban epoch]

Wdym

[hoary steppe]

You dont know anything lmao

[ornate tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-admiral-sakazuki-akainu-gif-9948236018905714025

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard went from 2 bil to 3.8 by doing nothing

[lofty fern]

when did it change?

[fringe escarp]

LITERALLY for doing nothing

[ocean totem]

Really more like active threat tbh

[fringe escarp]

Not “oh he didn’t do that much” I literally mean NOTHING

[hoary steppe]

Oda put BB bounty 2,7 mil bcz

Irl pirate Blackbeard edward teach was actually 2,7 million yen

[woeful moth]

before wano and after wano change

[ocean totem]

'cause you think about it, bounty increases and confirmations are based on the most recent thing you did that the marines caught wind of

[woeful moth]

before egghead too

[fringe escarp]

and then retconned it immediately after lmfao

[woeful moth]

WE KNOW THAT... but still... should've adjusted to it...

[tough igloo]

Blackbeard Pirates when Law broke out of Doc Q with haki : “well he’s worth 3 billion for a reason “

WB didn’t have to do crazy reckless shit with his DF to get a 5 billion bounty , idk why you acting like he did lol

[fringe escarp]

Also it wasn’t 2.7

[hoary steppe]

What?

[fringe escarp]

It was 2.2

[woeful moth]

and its was 2.2

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard got 1.6 bil for doing nothing

[hoary steppe]

Where do u even have this info lamo

[lofty fern]

Oh, I'm going to assume he did something? We just don't know about it yet? Though Oda has been rushing over things here and there, like with Usopp a couple of chapters ago

[jade rain]

It was updated after defeating law right?

[fringe escarp]

From wano?

[fringe escarp]

No LMAO

[hoary steppe]

Bb got 1.6?

When

[fringe escarp]

Yes he gained 1.6 during wano

[hoary steppe]

Panel?

[woeful moth]

tbh i assume that too... but there is no concrete evidence... so all of it really is assuming

[ornate tartan]

buggy about to reach 4B with the next update

[fringe escarp]

Do you remember when BB bounty was revealed

At the end of act 1

It was 2.2 then

[ocean totem]

The strongest member of the Rocks pirates, fought pirates constantly, gathered a large crew and claimed territories, every time he fights you can feel it two countries away..

[woeful moth]

for now as its written... its a jump of bounty without any explanation

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard existing angry is a crazy reckless thing lol

[woeful moth]

and we are all assuming he did something

[prisma idol]

With bean in chat talking about whitebeard I feel the urge to mention Akainu...

[fringe escarp]

His bounty as of chapter 957

End of act 2

[ornate tartan]

3rd 5B bounty character introduced

[hoary steppe]

The 1.6 i say

[prisma idol]

Possibly, I dont mind his bounty being really really high

[hoary steppe]

Cuz i dont even remember

[prisma idol]

I just dont want him to be PK

[ornate tartan]

why would he be pk even as a joke

[tough igloo]

oh for sure i mean the wasn’t of here doing reckless evil shit to get that bounty cause we know the type of person he is , his strength along with that DF power and his fleet and territory so enough for his threat level to be super high

[prisma idol]

I think it would be funnier if at the end of the series buggy has the highest bounty

[ornate tartan]

that would diminish the accomplishment of the mc

[fringe escarp]

His bounty increase was as of end of Wano

[prisma idol]

Some people think he will

[prisma idol]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[woeful moth]

like atleast the explanation to Buggy's bounty jump is more clear than whatever Oda did to BB

[hoary steppe]

Panel of 1.6

[fringe escarp]

that’s literally what I sent

[ornate tartan]

lol they are taking it way too far

[fringe escarp]

Actually it’s 1.7

Even worse 😭

Brother do basic math

[tough igloo]

yeah i think updated bounties will be like

Teach: 4.5- 5 billion

Shanks : 4-4.5 billion

Luffy : 4.5- 5 billion

Loki : 3.5-4 billion

Buggy : 4 billion (assuming cross guild does something )

[fringe escarp]

Bro needs me to do basic subtraction

[prisma idol]

So guys when do we meet shanks

I need the shanks arc

[woeful moth]

Cross Guild is already doing something... what they do is far more of a threat too... putting bounties on Marines... it will jump

[fringe escarp]

Oda felt so bad for BB he had to give him a retconned bounty in the same arc LMAO

bro couldn’t let him be under kid and buggy 😭

[ocean totem]

Don't forget "evil" is also relative, if he was going around wiping out swarms of marines to help friends that'd also factor in

[jade rain]

That's just good writing on oda ig 😂 , some people genuinely think Luffy won't be pk at end

[ornate tartan]

shanks really lured imu out the holy land by chaining loki to elbaph until the promised time

[ocean totem]

He wasn't just going around toppling decent kingdoms or anything though yeah

[ornate tartan]

great stuff

[fringe escarp]

Bro went silent 🥀

He finally did the math

[tough igloo]

new levels of future sight

[hoary steppe]

?

[fringe escarp]

What’s 3.9 minus 2.2

[urban epoch]

5

[woeful moth]

21

[hoary steppe]

I thought u say his first bounty is 1.6

[fringe escarp]

No i said he grew 1.6 during wano

For doing nothing

[hoary steppe]

Cool

[urban epoch]

Pretty much it was just a misunderstanding

[hoary steppe]

Even better

[tough igloo]

it could be as simple as they discovered Teach was Davy Clan and Rocks son during Wano so he got a bounty update .. i can’t say for no reason when Oda rarely even touches on stuff Teach does til later on

[hoary steppe]

💀

[fringe escarp]

Literally a pity bounty 🥀

[ornate tartan]

my biggest wish for the final war is battles at sea