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Can't wait to see how toei tricked us into onepeice anime being better when the first epaidoes are always crazy with animation lol
Nope, it's already pretty much confirmed uranus is with WG
Is seasonal toei boutta do some mappa level cookery
The "it chose me" feels deliberate by oda to cover himself whenever he reveals the darkness fruit is something is

The manga clash will be ass nowdays, it’ll be fixed in anime
no
not even close
i highly doubt that it's Uranus actually, i think it's more of a reconstruction to mimic the powers of Uranus rather than being the actual one
it will be better because they will be adapted a good manga for one
I think it's viv just cus when they are taking about the weapons during egghead it's with Vivi and shirhoshi but could also just be pluton
imu is so kind , he let luffy take usopp and brook into a safe place 
the giant designs are already so glue
It said ancient weapon
it's gonna be episode 1089 again and then back to normal
Wait what clash the one with Harold and xebec?!?!
The vp speach is about imu using ancient weapon 
well, they could be calling it an ancient weapon as it's a reconstructed one
Everything after oda eye surgery 
Simple answer is its just uranus
And I will complain! Lmao I mean I prey we get two chapters per epaidoes but .
No need for reconstruction
yes, which could be a reconststruction of one
Why reconstruction ?
because i think that Nidhoggr is Uranus
Why is that something you're so dead set on
I disagree tbh
Uranus = The weapon
Mother flame = the fuel
also wasnt some insane stuff was going on in holy land what's with that
it's the most reasonable explanation for why it's been safekept on Elbaph for so long
Damn idk I just read egghead too begining fo elbaf and it's still pretty good stuff and I was reading enis Lobby at the same time but
Or its just their national treasure that belongs to a mythical figure ?
so what weapon is the mother flame fueling that destroyed lulusia? a ufo?
Nothing they've said points toward it being an ancient weapon
Poseidon - Fishman Island
Uranus - Elbaph
Pluton - Wano
Feels like you could make the same argument about kaido's fruit
Due to it tying in with wano's mythology
If you compare the fight from WCI or dressrosa, its far better than todays
But thats not a weapon either
imu at least does think loki's fruit is important, just not sure why (mural related?)
there's also the special bounty
Vp entire speech dawg 😭, its literally about the use of ancient weapon
bro this is hella badass
Yeah no barking up the wrong tree I prefer luccie vs Luffy part 2 to katakuri
Idt they have the knowledge to reconstruct one, VP couldn't even reverse engineer the tech, the smartest mind on the world
Faxx
yes, i am not saying that it isn't an ancient weapon i am saying that it could be a new ancient weapon
imuko just stood there
Nidhogg?
why would it be impossible for them to make a new ancient weapon?
Obviously since it's a strong df, one thunder attack could destroy cities
Nidhoggr is Uranus and that which Imu uses is a newly created one, that's what i think
Cuz only ancient kingdom able to done it
Vegapon said it self
No technology can reach that old ancient tech
cover page kidds proportions look off
Tbh it's been a min tho I should do a reread and see if I can notice the difference but maybe oda lows are just lower now
And I don't take noticed to them
i just want Nidhoggr to be Uranus
i was hoping for a more narrative importance besides "it's strong." that can get boring fast
so this is all stinky loki cld do in 8 years
Thoughts on the new colour schemes for the anime?
The smartest man in the world who was backed & funded by the WG admitted that even he can't do it
You can tell when he got the eye surgery era and before that 😔
Now it could be that Uranus was designed with the Nidhogg fruit in mind
Totally possible
yes, yes i admit defeat i just want the Nidhoggr to be Uranus as i think it would match perfectly
now people can stop asking if Luffy was giant sized the entire time
fucking awful
what did Imu use to destroy Lulusia then, VP said it was the work of an ancient weapon
Holy shit ragnir is big
Dumbass squirrel
i've already admitted my defeat, i just want Nidhoggr to be Uranus
It's not just strong, its power is equal to ancient weapon atp and my speculation is that it's also a somewhat special case like dr not working
This squirrel bro, every panel is peak
great
Gunko is still frozen right?
Ragnir top 2 character
Yes
Ragnir vs kuzan
squirell...i'm hungry

Gunko is a popsicle
Aren’t these official colors from Oda himself on the left
tht was a short combo
i guess this is where Brook will come in
Yeah but thats what its gonna look like in the anime
brook will sing and unmelt the ice, despite having ice powers. goda
Happy about that then
why is icarly so tuff on your pfp
He can cut ice
no, i mean Brook will retell the story
Blobmu
booooo! make him take out his guitar hoda
Fiery rock 🗣️
When imu shows up we better get his true form, this actually sucks
this lol
Imu is banana level
only mihawk has been shown to have the power to cut ice thus far
@pine scaffold blackbeard better?
easily lol
like how do we go from this to actually revealing the silhouette
We found mihawk fans chat
ikr lul

Thou think Mu can be stopped?
lool
So Imu has to win, guys, 'cause BB is supposed to be the one that kills Imu. I saw it in Sharley's magic ball.
only ethan can cut clouds tho
A man truly dies when he’s forgotten
elbaf will fail
Could this means only shanks can cut kidd
Imu is gonna come back home and die to BB
Killingham is Sharley and Arlongs brother
watch
😭
I even doubt bb can solo imu
No Egg Mcbigg 
imu is gonna dogwalk luffy like never seen before
fishman hating fishman, you love to see it
Wonder what’s up with the Holy Land. Starting to think “in flames” wasn’t meant to be taken literally
the only way i see Blackbeard defeating Imu is via the help of Luffy
so silly
Their mom Maffey taught him well
Or with help of everyone
i mean we saw ruins
🔨 >:3
Imu showing up will just upscale Usopp's eventual comeback. 
🐿️
Then that's Luffy defeating imu
yeah
ragnir looks so proud of himself
2 df is useless now
You’re gonna judge me, but I haven’t read the chapter yet
Loki technically have 2 df rn
Thats good tho, I’m glad something is actually happening
Imu wanting all the smoke directly wasn’t in my bingo card
I love Ragnir. I hope Loki dies and he joins
wtf
i think i prefer Cerberus
Geez
Ragnir issa god right?
Guess Mariejois isn’t on fire
Ratatoskr?
You have thoroughly been judged.
maybe, but he'd need help from zoro cutting the water to get down there to cut him again
So elephant in the room right now
Just a silly Ice Squirrel
chopper
I wonder if Oda will actually full reveal Imu here once he arrives on the island
what bout it
I’ve been so busy (with JoJo) 😔
Oh hell naw 😭
Istg oda just want a new plushie
If there was ever a time for it to happen, it’d be now imo
he should
Please and thank you. It's getting silly
Imagine Domi Reversi Jarul
Old man 😭?

it's ok for Jojo
Yaaay 

feels like a now or never moment yeah
this is choppers arc
What if imu is just a black blob
chopper is the forest god at this poin
Move aside Usopp
what's the explanation though
Lol
oda really hates usopp
Why tf biblo move the books
like how he do dat
good to see that the villagers still arent really ok with loki
because he's a nurturing owl and wants to take care of his babies
only in op will an author drag a design reveal this far
where did owl guy go
The book is his baby 😟
biblu in heaven realm fr
Imu and burn scar man are the final remnants of Silouettepiece and I want it over with
You just made my point
the final remnants of Silouettepiece...........
...............................................................................
so far.
Stop that
No more
Burn scar man doesn’t even have a silhouette, we only saw bros ship
you underestimate Loda
Even the ship is silhouette
i think the same maybe it's a way of showing us the heaven realm like "where is the owl, oh right there"
this is good, Oda is cooking
Turns out Imu is one of 4 super secret society gods, each with their own planet, and Enel is now one of them now that he owns the moon
We then get a panel of them all communicating with two of them being silouetted
End of series. Begin Two Piece
Yeah, it was a nice chapter
I've kinda come to the conclusion Imu just looks like that
it might not be next chaper but it's def happening this arc
Best time to do it
It’s fun and it kinda fulfills the old cliche of “why doesn’t the final boss just come and kill the threats now?”
what real life character could Oda base Imu on like with the admirals?
It was different when he was just a guy in a flower garden but now he's out in daylight with multiple characters looking at him, and he still looks like that
I wanna say it but it will be too political
nah, we won't get an imu reveal next chapter. we'll get a final cliffhanger and then break week
true, Imu about to beat everyone's ass too. That will be exciting to see
no boring answers, has to be someone unique looking
Theres so many political answers for this
Really unique too
no political answers. that's boring low hanging fruit
Noooo! That big black blog ain't it
That's crazy cus I really haven't been able to tell this whole time
we're about to find out
like have imu look like kareem abdul jabar or some weird shit like that
Incoming Gunko saves the Straw Hats and allows them to escape or something
idk if this will be a escape kinda arc, they'll need to save Elbaph
I think Elbaf will fall is real now
me too
so cute
That clearly sucks and could never have good action scenes
Nah this chapter is a “we won guys!” type energy that is not good at all
Imu about to cook them ngl
Guys
I've been thinking
I'm sorry
I forget that like Zoro and chopper have this big bro little bro we hype each other up constantly
the calm before imu
Does Sanji ever compliment chopper?
wow!
i hope to god the SHs lose this arc. they're in need of one. being a yonko crew going to their head.
he does
BB final fruit squid squid
Now that Imu is physically coming I’m down for it. Not so much when it was just the 3 Stooges
I wonder what will that mean for Elbaph
final war training arc might just happen
Are we really just gonna fight Imu right here
yeah franky in particular pointing that out; he WILL get humbled by the great one
Imu will win
We've been getting that since the end of fb, this arc will either be great if the good guys loses or it would be mid if they win
so Im guessing mythical zoans are immune to Imus abilities. Maybe would explain why DR doesnt work on luffy/loki. Could explain chopper if hes a mythical zoan
my favorite frame of Ragnir this arc is him doing the 乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ
WIMU
There goes domi reversi Loki and the hometown theory
exactly
What if in the final battle everyone Luffy has ever met / allied with gathers and fights Imu/Gorosei and they all win in 5 chapters and then they take over Mariejoice and then Loki becomes King of the world but then he smashes the Red Line bc there shouldn't be kings of the world
the question is who saves sh lives if imu does come
imus silhouette really just looks like a black sock
cuz why would she let nika live
The calm before the storm
It's very similar of what happen to some of the Rogers crew could it be the devil fruits? Like we never seen a devil fruit domin
Gunko can contain Imu or whatever cuz of their link long enough for an escape

bro that ship has sailed
imu is personally going to elbaf
I have a vision...
I'm surprised Oda is doing this
mythical zoans win again
I think if no devil fruit users could be hit with DR imu just wouldnt have tried
but it's a welcomed one
imu is arriving when both luffy and loki already tired 
you should get your vision checked out by a doctor
like yea but thats literaly imu ,the other way around would be possible
shanks??
IKL
I mean maybe but how often does Imu fight
they got tired fighting imu at 1% of her power
elbaf is so cooked
Maybe devil fruits are an unknown to them
who knows but imu would definitely know it doesnt work on df users
also it could be that this is a red herring
imu knows devil fruits
and she might send someone else
yes
How do you figure
Imu bout to be over 9000. You love to see it.
They have t given out a devil fruit
Imu belt to ass will be fun once Luffy and Loki rest a little. I don’t want some “they were tired” bs
I knew that Imugunko wouldn't be able to handle them both
so now everyone can see "Elbaph will fail" happen
The holy knights have em but they have access to anything
because Imu rules the world and the gorosei who speak to imu know about devil fruits
that's why they're coming in the flesh
yes so Imu as the ruler of the HKs would know that they have these things called devil fruits
maybe we get a design reveal here
if imu doesnt know about devil fruits then damn imu is stupid
Bro Saturn was trying to figure out if making a smoothie works they don't know shit
what
in 3 weeks
Luffy getting that Kaido round 1 treatment
Gorsei are not smart
free my baby
ok well they know what devil fruits are
Don't you remember what happen to boney
so presumably so does imu
this is def happening
Yeah but they don't know how they ork
I dont see how this is relevant
So if the gorosei know a lot about fruits dont you think Imu would too
If Saturn is still doing devil fruit expire menta 7 years ago
Means they don't know that much
They don't
devil fruit experiments doesnt mean you dont know much
that means you wantt to know more
It does lol
Its really funny how quickly the logistics of the Holy Knights regen changed
devil fruit experiments only mean you know more than the average person
We actually don't know that
so yes Im Sure Imu knows what fruits are
That's a huge assumption
that doesnt mean imu doesnt know
I think you need to remember what he was doing experiments for. It wasn't just that he wanted to know how they worked.p
so how do you think Joyboy is referred to as nika
If anything they know nothing about devil fruits cus it's ak tech
the secrets of them are supposed to be hidden in the void century
so like
imu is from the void century
gaban did mention that conq haki slows their regen, and we see it when rocks slices up garling in god valley
well it is confirmed they actually do know some things about devil fruits
Smoky auto regen vs Buggy style Mr. potato head regen
so
that heart is the core
How?
yea its really weird
Ohhhh his technique? It’s possible!
To me it seems like they don't know anything at all
needs a lot of explaining
because they rule the world and are seen talking about devil fruits before
it was the elders themselves who stated about zoans having a will of their own
If you stab the heart with CoC are they dead
Like once
imu farted this chapter
a few times
I think if you just stab the heart lol
thanks oda for confirming this
With or without CoC
Doesn't mean Imu has ever had the chance to fight against a devil fruit user
imu is from the void century what are u even arguing about
Bonney's situation is not really that relevant here
Me when the chat gets too controversial
joyboy lol
It really is tho
so joyboy had a devil fruit
mural goes out the window?
thats a fart btw
We don't know anything about the void century or how powers work
We know he fought against Joy boy who had the fruit before
I need Imu to come back right now and Luffy to get right back up so we can put this gear 5 minutes thing to rest
We know Joyboy ate and awakened the Nika fruit
That’s confirmed
Then it would’ve been “ffffft”
he tried to cover it by disappearing

see thats his trick
we know joyboy had the nika fruit
he totally got u
joyboy had the nika fruit
nika had the joyboy fruit
The way i see it, before the surgery, each atk is pretty detail per panel, after his eye condition, its mostly impact per panel then move on.. u can also see the quality of his drawing too (especially the shading)
Damn , bro thinks he can blame the fart on a girl (gunko)
How do you know the Anciant kingdom didn't have a different process of giving out powers and even so devil fruits were probably aak tech that the gorsei and Imu have no idea about even back than other wise they would have created the mother flame
they both had the gum gum fruit
Are you ragebaiting
how do you know anything then
they dont clearly
ragnir is probably saying - dont eat me idiot!!! squeaka!
This is all just baseless assumptions no offense
It’s on you to prove that they DON’T know about devil fruits
Ragnir would win anyway
do we know when Oda switched from physical drawing to digital?
We’re going off what is already established
I need a full spread of Giant Gear 5 Luffy riding Dragon-form Loki...
ragnir is the new emergency food
Yeah but that's both ways
Also Ragnir
Honestly idonno 🤷♂️
theres more on them knowing than them not though
yeah ragnir wld be a better meat than choppers he wld defi win
cause that would explain the shading, but I agree his art has gotten a bit... eh
No it's the opposite lol
howw your argument is the one that is far off the general understanding
No it’s not, there are facts that we know about devil fruits and how they work in this world, you’re the one that’s suggesting they are something different
Either Illmatic knows absolutely nothing about one piece or is ragebaiting
Ragnir is stronger than Harald who was comparable to Rocks, i'd like to see you try eat him
Remember guys
Dawn Thor Rifle + Dawn Gatling uses up all of G5
And 3 Lightning Breath makes Loki too tired

tbf he was giant g5 luffy for a long time
stamina piece
totally ragebating at this point
"these two are truly....devil fruit users" 
Why u comparing volume scans and fanscans
he has no good arguments
hes just a rodent kieren its not that deep
"A pain in my fucking ass"
its just they are stupid we dont know anything thats it
that and the threat was neutralized so luffy didn't need to push harder
I still need to know if ragnir was a hammer first or a squirrel first
Yeah i mean i think its better for him for his own health.. oda is a fucking workholic 😭 not to metion he got OPLA movie sbs weekly manga 💀
ok alt account
Squirrel first
squirrel. The god of war had his own hammer and ragnir was separate
which means somehow ragnir inhabits the hammer later on
We though Luffy ate the gomu Gomu for 1000 chapters ...
yall aint ready
imu is gonna destroy luffy
It was in hammer form when chained in seastone
Well Ragnir is the hammer, Ratotoskr is the Squirrel
BRUH
The wg is dumb ass hell they don't know as much as we think and how would they
Yeah but that’s in ancient times ,it looks like both the hammer and the squirrel existed at the same time
My question would then be, did a squirrel eat a hammer fruit?
yes thats what I meant
That’s called a retcon, there wasn’t anything that proved Luffy without a shadow of a doubt ate a zoan fruit, it was simply speculation until Oda proved otherwise
Isnt that the same
that would be fun but i wonder what prevents death here in this arc
i dont think its the same
Now you’re making sense
Thanks
I forgot about that
I think there pre devil frutis but know ones to believes rhatv
wait ill read the last panel then comeback
Explain the thunder
True enough but the hammer was a hammer when bound in seastone
There are people who will definitely fight against it being retcon
Mythical zoan ability , wdym explain it?
Somehow Ratotoskr inhabited the hammer
That’s easy
Defeated Gunkmu.
When he used it the hammer was no longer in seastone
It is a hammer possessed by the spirit of ratatoskr
Only he was by leg
defeated lol
Those people are just stubborn and biased tbf, the word retcon has gained a negative connotation in the community for some reason, if you say something is a retcon then it’s automatically dog shit
Gunko Imu was no match
Makes sense , So yeah must be a dope mythical zoan , I still wonder how the squirrel ceased to exist and became a fruit
Imu has to use 100% power
No but most of us do think something like this was bound to happen maybe not a fruit name change but
I guess that’s the bigger mystery anyway , df creation
Look at the state of these two
Ok I was saying it's a legend and I don't see them as the same
imu made luffy and loki fart from miles away
tbf having to have imu turn up physically gotta be a feat 
I think mythical just have different properties maybe they cane tame other devil fruits
bb could never
If ratatoskr shows his own CoC , I will be speechless , let’s say that
Also world government don't know devil fruits have wills and they probably been using them more than. Any one
"Defeat"
And we haven't seen one CD with an awakens fruit I don't think kirin counts of it's like Yamato
He’ll just eventually pull up himself when the right opportunity presents itself
WG was the one to say Zoans have wills of their own
Wg is idiot
oda really is a master of retcons in all the good ways
Wait did they?
gorosei said it
I wonder if an inanimate object like a hammer , if given a good enough zoan , can then show HAKI on its own? A hammer isn’t a living being , but zoans have WILLS of their own…..
Yup
what jarul was talking about and the ragnir we see today are different and probably ragnir was originated during the void century
That my point! Lol they ant that smart they needed blue planet scientist
Best double page spread in OP history 🙏
Not sure if it's a fruit, especially since we haven't seen that done before. We have seen spirits take over objects before though
“The df keeps getting away, as if they have their own thoughts”
- some gorosei
When people thought this was a silhouette….
and those legends wld be hella old like since the start of elbaf
We have seen zoans in objects a few times already , about three times , the dog bazooka alabasta , the teapot tanuki , and funkfried
Shut up
The fact that it’s a human human fruit really saved it
I'm sorry that was mean
It would be more crazy for me to have a literal spirit possessing an inanimate object
Fair to say. People will argue against the idea that they physically defeated Gunkmu, but the fact that Imu has to go to Elbaf himself just tells me that he didn’t care to put anything to the test
Same with imu
“Nidhogg! So ure at elbaf”
Said by guy who lived 800 years knowing that df was moved by giants too 💀
not mean enough
Smiley's also an inanimate zoan right
This is still disappointing
@lofty fern ppl are still salty about loki , are you satisfied yet?
I know but we haven't seen a living being turned into a fruit
I think Ratotoskr got gravely injured/died, possibly trying to protect the "War God" & then later on the last thing the "War God" wished for was for Ratotoskr to "live on" & thats when it inhabited the hammer, probably becoming a DF in the process
Jet black is great, we don’t need every dragon to be fully detailed, we already got Momo
About what?
Yeah it's definitely not a defeat lol
And Kaido’s just a blue dragon
Imu seems like he talks to the origin of whatever he’s looking at , if you’re fire fruit he’s just gonna call you fire , if you have a will passing down from ancient joyboy he’s gonna call you joyboy , if you have nika fruit he’s gonna call you nika lol
I think sb talkin about the cosmetics, like the dragon scale, claw, cool horn nd stuff
Weren't u mad about jaruls speech and ppl just "accepting" loki ?
Yeah like wtf lol why is he so surprised?!? Freaking xebec knew???
The only thing Loki is missing from this list is the dragon scale, but that also doesn’t matter because he’s jet black anyway, you’d barely notice it on him
What it means is Luffy and Loki probably would have beaten Gunkmu (considering DR didnt work), but Imu didnt waste effort trying
If ure davy he called u davy jones
yea thats true
Not a victory, no. But I think if Imu thought he could get the job done while inhabiting Gunko, he would’ve just tried it
It doesn't feel like a defeat at all tbh, honestly feels like Imu was just like "this'll take too long, stopped possession of Gunko & decided to come personally"
Yeah that much is true , but god of war vs nika panel could be extremely ancient stuff before joyboy , so to me that could be before devil fruits existed , so it would still make sense to me
Wdym?
Exactly! Lol he has a really interesting way of addressing people , he talks through them at their powers or wills
Add some cool dragon scale gonna make the design peak ngl, or more badass wings
look at this man
Sorry, mistake message
Wait what do you mean? Slime is a monster
Ah
I could see that yeah
Using Oda art from like five to six years ago lol
OR, he actually talks like an old ancient times people… thou shalt word thingy
Can’t wait to see this get awakened, Momo we trust
Yeah, I mean, I’m pretty much inclined to agree. I just care to frame it a bit differently since Imu going anywhere personally feels like a significant decision and not one that would be made for the sake of saving time or effort
Not if he dodges, the problem with being so big is that small things can dodge you pretty easily
Kaido was only the strongest creature because Loki was hiding in foggy areas
I'm thinking it's because of their devil fruits and the risk is too much....like there must be limitations to what imu cld do in another body cause we have only seen imu tank attacks and using dr even when he had saturns body.
here he used gunko's abilities as well but that's it. So I'm more relying on the idea that there are limitations to what imu can do while possessing someone else
Kaido would destroy Loki's giant dragon lol
Jokes on you, loki cant see a flying small noodle
Kaidos dragon form probably does not fit into this group
Loki was freaking out over being unable to find Imu
And since dr failed bcs of the fruits
guys I dont think Kaidos dragon form brings the same issue lol. A lot smaller than loki sure but so is gunko compared to normal loki
They're switching up
Kaidos smaller but hes big enough loki will be fine fighting dragon form kaido
Idk Imu to me seems like a very impatient individual, we see this when they first take over Gunko with the whole "you're taking too long"
I think he's separated from her on purpose before even the attack occurred. Maybe he doesn't want to harm her too much?
if anything kaido would benefit from going hybrid or human vs dragon form loki
I think that’s fair to say, yes. I’m 100% certain Imu is limited while possessing other people, depending on what contract they have with each other. Unless that’s already been stated
Kaido’s big enough in his dragon form that he’d be noticeable I think
Loki dogwalks kaido

A normal human like Gunkimu should be like an ant to Loki

He definitely does that too , no doubt , like still in the medieval era
Also btw imu mentions loki lurking in the seas
Loki had to go back to base after using 3 moves
Good point
Lol
Kaido used like 500 moves during the raid and he was lifting Onigashima
I just think because he’s so ancient he looks at the past when he sees these things carry on into the future , he calls them by what he dealt with before
loki is the man marked by flame
and he took thousands of attacks
They could have been taking too long. He was patient here. In fact, very patient. He didn't yell at his men to go and attack, he didn't yell at the enemy, he just sort of observed and then knew when to draw back
ya but smiley’s made from gas, compressing the H2S gas that was in punk hazard and then made to life with a Zoan fruit
loki went back to giant as he kept saying gunko was too small to see/hit
Tbf Shamrock brought him down to 1hp not too long ago
he got treatment
Trueeee
Cld it be that there was a time when loki was the monster lurking in those thriller bark clouds?
hes fine now
Yeah but he said being in that form was also draining him
It was treatment. He was supposed to spend a week recuperating from
he was huffing
He didn’t get mink drugs bruh this didn’t make him fully recover
Shamrock cant even kill a full body shackled loki 😭
It feels like an impatient choice to leave Gunko's body & personally come to Elbaf, probably because it would take too long to deal with Loki & Luffy inside of Gunko
So this chapter doesn't prove shit that all those old gens in gv < loki Luffy
Actually considering a size issue and dexterity and durability and time limit? I'd still give it to Shamrock
I would say it’s uncharacteristic of him if I didn’t remember the flower room scene , you’re right , but I would still say he has childish tendencies, which doesn’t have to be exclusively impatience
these leakers man smh
Could be, yeah. Although my opinions about how important Gunko is to Imu have shifted a bit, there’s obviously stuff Oda wants us to be thinking about regarding that dynamic
Loki having a time limit is a pretty big nerf
In the flower room scene , he “observed “ rocks
One more good blow would have done Loki in
Cmon ! Mihawk could cut that standstill gigantic man
I don't think so, why keep bulldozing your way through when you can make smarter decisions? It's not about who can break down the Wall by beating their head against the wall better. It's about actually trying to do the best without doing the most fuss. Be efficient, not a Meathead
Kaido has no nerf btw
But loki cant move at all 
he can use his forms however long he wants
Tbf he's super strong anyway & it's probably only when he's in full Zoan... it likely takes it out of you flying with such a massive body
Yeh that’s the only reason why he was in that state in the first place
He was too shocked to move

it could also be the same with hybrid, but we gotta wait
Kaido is simply the biggest him
Btw
Biblu
I'm pretty sure the arc said he couldn't. There was a whole time limit about how long he could last
Maybe lol , but we would have seen shaking outlines
Loki presumably would be fine in hybrid or base
Not like fear just stunned
Who?
unless we're thinking shamrock is gonna be shanks level, loki could probably just win in base or hybrid unless that has a bad time limit too
Isnt hybrid is the strongest version of zoan
usually
Most the time
I mean its fine as long as he doesnt have a time limit in hybrid
He may have it in hybrid as well, since we never really seen this before with a mythical zoan
And he still ass
would hybrid ragnir be the stronges lol
Hmmm perhaps but no clouds tho
we just need to wait and see
yea maybe, if not though its not much of a nerf
guys btw biblu mentioned 
goated chapter
I believe oda only made this so he doesnt have to draw dragon form loki often
It gonna look weird
I expect he'll be fine in hybrid
Fine lucci
not being able to use one of your forms is a nerf
we already saw it
like it or not
for that reason he will kill him next week 
WHAT? Where
the same chapter he was introduced...
Lucci is really the best example, but he has the black flames similar to the gorosei so id like to think Imu tampered with him
ALL EYES ON BIBLIO
Was he ? Isnt he just uh a full hammer
BIBLUU ITS BIBLU EARL
its not much of one when zoan characters tend to use their hybrid anyway. Kaido for example when in the most serious part of the fight barely uses his dragon form. Up until the last attack, which obviously loki can do an ult too. So its not really a nerf unless your zoan form was going to be your best form for battle
Imu is doing whut
Biblio has already been hard wired into my brain 
Biblo
I think imu was the reason Lucci was awakened
If Im not going to use my zoan form anyway, Im not nerfed much by it having a time limit
OH 💀
Like biblioteca
Interesting that Killingham has white flames like Luffy
Aw nahhh, imu didnt care abt cp0 fodder
Gismonda is coming just wait and see

imu hopefully

I wonder if Imu is somebody that has a weapon of choice, or are they just a freestyler
If imu leave the castle
BB definitely close 💀
"just" a freestyler would be cool
?
Freestyle, look at the god damn shotgun
I don't think it's a smarter decision tbh, Imu could very well send the Gorosei etc & stay true to their comment of "one whom rules does not sully their hands" but instead is making the impatient & imo rushed choice to personally come & deal with it, sullying their own hands
do u guys think we might see the outer world a glimpse maybe?
Bb intel, remember devon and augur know saturn was going to egghead
I think killy got his fruit before he was made a HK, so that could be the reason why his scarf isnt black and those who got their abilities from imu have the black scarf
I was thinking maybe the reason why Imu uses whatever in Gunko’s body is because they don’t have access to their main weapon that is back in the holy land
they didnt know
They know, their mission literally to steal saturn form then left
no it was not
Mission complete
Then how did they track the highest authority
While saturn want his appearance classified
Tbh, I don’t think CP0 members have the privilege of meeting Imu, I think that’s exclusively for the covenants
Lucci is just a WG agent, not an actual servant of Imu’s
Franky victim
they didnt, there goal wasnt on eof the Elders
What
but one of them being there "made their job easier"
They were likely targetting VP or an Admiral but got lucky with Saturn
Black scarf is for all those were not on joyboys side let’s make it extra shlocky lol 
exactly that
They didn’t come for Saturn that wasn’t the plan, they just got lucky
There’s no way they could have known Saturn would be on this island
That detail wasn’t made public right?
But they said mission complete
Nope
no
Thought so
their mission was to get an appearance of someone who can control the Seraphim
The mission complete thing ?
Her saying mission complete confused people , but if you look at the context of the scene it wouldn’t make sense that they were there specially for Saturn , how would they predict that?
I can see this
They can’t predict that
Yeah the "mission" was probably just having Devon touch someone of authority, likely because BB experienced the Seraphim on Amazon Lily
I feel like that would have been shown, we see it all the time when it happens
i will say that, its possible they wanted to have one of the Gorosei but didnt think it would be possible
That means it’s about the seraphim , which would have helped bb in Amazon lily lol
Yeah, it gives the context that they were there FOR someone, but Saturn in particular because having an Elder as a target was unrealistic till Devon saw one before her eyes. And if you’re able to copy an Elder you’ve done a good job
yall liked the chapter?
Hm
Harald and shanks kinda prove exceptions can be made,harald for his capabilities and shanks for his bloodline, regardless of being on the "ground" for so long. Lucci has shown he completely stands apart from the rest of the marines and wg. Its literally fleet admiral > admirals > garp,lucci,koby >the rest
I dont think a contract or a meeting is far fetched. Of course this is all speculation, either the black flames are base zoan specific,imus ability or odas a hack and he does it for looks
She also says she hasn’t even heard of Elders coming down
She’s oblivious to it
Yeah I think that was something to be done much further down the line in Blackbeard’s plans
They got lucky and finished that part early
Its reference to the cult of saturn
Oh and like wtf was she doing fading in and out
Im thinking she’s baiting saturn there while knowing, cuz ykno lafitte was stalking on mariejois
She can teleport through shadows or some shit
What lol
what, no, Imu kinda has like a shadow form which they can seprate from the body they are controlling i guess
And I didn’t understand the nonsense she was sprouting either, now she won’t return home?
Shanks was a shoe in because he’s the son of Garling, and Harald got in because they decided they wanted Elbaph under their rule
who is she
True but that’s so weird. So technically she isn’t frozen
who says Imu is a she?
Sorry I consider mu a she, I’ll say it
Or mf harald publicly begging to become slave 😭
Amazon Lily was before Egghead it lines up that he gets attacked by them while on Amazon Lily & see's that they can be commanded then sends Devon on a mission to touch someone of authority for later use
Imu is thy
imu is not physically in elbaf
Bruh
In this chapter they were just referring to "gunko"
yet
Soon
Wait. Why is Amazon lily viable ? What did I miss cause I lowkey miss boa Hancock 
This makes sense
wym bruh
I mean duh 😭
That’s basically the same thing tbh
they let him be a good boy for them because he offered up their country essentially
Yea 
obviously not duh if there is people confused

Oh lol I meant the chapter overall, but they kinda told me anyways wassup. I’m still confused on what imu was yapping about.
Imu was talking about the past, about Lokis form being spotted and Loki attacking Marine ships but Imu hadnt made the connection
Nidhogg df i guess
its very clear
Ohhhhh u mean when shanks locked him up
BB got attacked by S-Hawk there & likely saw how they can be commanded since Koby stopped S-Hawk after Boa turned the Navy to stone
Then sent Devon on a mission to Egghead to touch someone of authority to be able to command the Seraphim in the future & got lucky with the highest authority being a Gorosei
Imu didn’t know that was him ok
before Shanks locked him up yeah
OBVIOUSLY A MORIA UPSCALE #WMORIA
So Loki attacking WG ships was probably what got him on Shanks radar and prompted Shanks to go and stop him from advancing in his plan
It was just too early for all that
@gloomy tree what imu mean by captain?
Loki
Loki
Loki
When was he captain???
Omg wtf when was he attacking marines tho we don’t know of this
Unless it was before shanks locked him up
of course we do
During his time at sea
During the 8 years he was at sea
Loki was at sea for 8 years lol?
He went gun blazing
He took the remaining survivors of the royal guard & went to sea
Whut
Loki gathered up the witnesses of the castle incident and went out to sea with them after Harald’s death
are you sure you actually read the chapters? 
No I have but I mean…I thought he got locked up for going to the sea
One Piece isn't a picture book?
I have to read?
Loki literally said he would take the surviving guards and go to see after he killed Harald
Oh this was during the Harold stuff oh ok
Mom died
Went to sea
Rage
Lola proposal
Shanks beat him
Locked up
Add the Lola confession as a separate one 😭🙏
That shits funny
Ok thank you. So his rage unleashed the DF, and imu didn’t know or was Loki basically til now
Cmon 
Ty all mb lol the chapters be yk all over the place now a days
There
Loki only fucking up government ships but rat haired didnt like that

Yeppz
Really? I thought he didn’t want imu to notice who he became or what his df is
I think he tried to convince Loki it was too early but he wouldn’t listen to him, so he got defeated and locked up
Since he knows a bit
Shanks always been a rat
SHANKS DIDNT SNITCHHHHHHHH
Yall ignoring this shits smh my head
Mother tossed him off the tree
Uncle abused him
Father was barely around
Idol died
Became close with Ida
Starts to consider Ida his mother
Ida gets poisoned
He kills the people who poisoned her & their village
In Jail while Ida dies
Finally gets out
Father dies by his hands due to Imu
Escapes to sea
Denied by Lola
Random Red haired fuck shows up, beats you & brings you back to Elbaf
Chained up for 6 years
Random Red haired fuck shows up with his gf
They beat you & stab you
CMON BRUH WE KNOW THIS
Holy summary
Dam, u all think he’s a rat because of him wanting to speak about a pirate to the WG lol
😭
Denied by Lola 😭😭😭😭😭😭
That actually was shamrock

Oda confirmed it was Shamrock in the latest SBS
I know…but still lol
And this is just a short summary 
Dam, I wonder what it was tho
Best shorted version of loki story ngl
His own brother 
See, I knew people were kinda taking the “You come all the way over here” or whatever as too much to say it wasn’t Shamrock
Shamrock = 6ix9ine
lol wtf all of this shit is mad confusing mane
I still think it was blackbeard
It makes perfect sense for them to say that too because Holy Land is legit big as hell
There used to be an edit of Shanks as 6ix9ine there, shit was so funny
I’m still not liking the recent chapter. Like? So wtf is imu gonna do now
It wasnt a snitch if hes from different gang
I think it was because he should be reporting to the Supreme Commander about whatever but he went directly to the Gorosei
That's how they learned about his lineage
That applies too probably
2 possible reasons:
- nuke elbad
- Cry to vivi
No way bruh 😭😭😭
Garling found the davy clan
Shamrock found a davy
Imu can’t see vivi yet, Morgan has her and I think Morgan is on the good side lowkey
Shit that ain’t even matter I’d snitch to avoid 47 years too
It checks out
so did yall enjoy the biblu cameo
? lol
Yeah I also wanted to know what happened to the owl
I hope the information didn’t actually get erased
The books I mean
Biblo took them to the Heaven realm trust
Now i do wonder
Why imu went alone ?
Why imu left and leave a word to gorosei ?
Why left elbaf ?!!
Might be onto something
If he want to conquer elbaf
Dude bring the 5 elder and imu, elbaf is gone under 1 minute
? Wym lol isn’t imu still in Elbaf ? I think imu wants to repeat second world history by having the two entities fight but this time they met and like each other so there’s no hatred in their hearts for each other. So I’m assuming imu power doesn’t work on pure ppl or some shit
Imu contradicting themself too, i thought one who rules doesn't sully their own hands huh?
Imu left Gunko's body & is personally coming
biblu is waiting for us in heaven realm
Imu’s gonna fuck up Elbaf
Pulling up physically is different
They’re too humble rn thinking it’s ok
Imu left gunkmu
#WIMU

Oh..wtf lol ok I’m kinda scared now
Imu face reveal
So what happens to gunko? She won’t die right
Froze to death
She's just trapped in ice atm
Pls oda
Probably in a stasis
we actually gonna see imu’s face
its kinda crazy nobody on god valley could deal with imu but luffy and loki did instantly
no
Yes
she lowkey bad
they’re probably just a blob when possessing subordinates
they dealt with a fraction of Imu. Now they're getting the Wholemu
Maybe imu letting wg know that they’re finally making a appearance maybe
I hope Imu arrives via the castle & doing so just completely destroys it
“Void” century
“Empty” throne
Imu don’t want shit to do with the elders this time 😭😭😭
Shit about to go down
I’m so annoyed mane fuck imu power 
Egghead trauma 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
Yeah idk…it seems like it. Luffy already seems dead
Why did it seem like Loki more capable?
lol
One thing is, loki has killed HK
Now I know why the ppl from manga were like “IF LOKI BECOMES A SH ITS GG CAUSE HES STRONGER THAN LUFFY” lol
But who knows
what?

Loki didn’t get DRed Soc woulda been over the moon
hopefully blackbeard kills imu soon cuz domi reversi sucks and all of imu’s subordinates and powers suck
i understand why they have regen and it makes sense but no matter what its so lame
and domi reversi is ass
It didn’t work on Luffy and Loki lol
cope seethe mald
I ONLY just realised you’re editing this 😭😭😭
Poor Socratea
Imu trying to domi them reminded me of this
Imu made a very interesting choice considering he probably could have just broken the ice. Also the knights feel like they are going to regroup

If he was here he could have victory lapped about Loki not being reversed
Could imu really? Imu would’ve done that already
oh hyea where are all the dr loki believers
Damn would that be the end of the undone DR Loki bet @wraith mantle
Anything else? 😄
He wld have larped about loki being stronger than imuko
Im thinking the knights will be buffed by imu being in close proximity to them
them mfs are in hiding
show yourselves
Hi
Yeah, it happened before and imu was trying to remake history but it won’t happen this time lol. That’s why they’re going to make an appearance apparently.
oh hey
we love biblu
I can see this
🤍
well im excited for imu to pull up
Not if he had another plan in mind? If garb can break from ice I think Imu can
Imu's haki on arrival gonna hit different
Idk maybe not in gunko body? Who knows
We saw Joyboys cover all of Egghead & then some, Imu gonna cover all of Elbaf
I’m surprised we have some imu fan boys lol
I'm just hyped to finally see them in action personally
Still second to Joyboy 
I never expected it here tbh
soyboy is death and imu is alive
You cant complain yet Sabaku, you're not at full odds
i know and it hurts
Out of everything tho, what really caught me off guard was shanks having a twin, and being the son of that blonde guy
just like this chapter cliffhanger hurt
I really hope his real father is someone else lol
this cliffhanger weren’t that rough
his real father?
Garling is his biological father, Roger pirates are his father figures
I mean I just hope shanks mother ended up w someone else, seemed like she was forced w him
She died
Like I have this theory where she secretly had a diff baby father
He killed her
That's so sad
Magnolia seemed to be pretty infatuated with Garling, chances are he was really kind at their first meeting
Nah she was excited to see him again & shit
I know I just meant it seems like she was forced to b w garland, and I think she liked someone else and secretly dealt w him but then garland killed him or god knows what or maybe he doesn’t know ? Idk but like what shanks mother went through was the worst. I just hope she had some sort of happiness. She truly did seem happy with her kids..
Maybe it was an act? I just hate to see it like that 

i hope we get to see Garlings first encounter with her

Sry
Yeah maybe a flashback of their love story would be nice

Nah thats what makes Garling more evil as a character

Rizz lord garling
garling redemption arc
Garling lured her in with false hopes and promises
She truly loved him & he killed her without a second thought
I know, but still he was already evil by mistreating his kids
And even b4 that lol



