also-manga

[frigid gulch]

Again I’ve never said that wasn’t the case

[serene plume]

so basically never

[urban lodge]

I will

[serene plume]

its only worth larping asoiaf

not finishing it

[urban lodge]

Thanks

[hot cairn]

what does urethral mean

[digital spear]

You just demotivated me to continue reading

[stone terrace]

[hot cairn]

that's a new english word for me

[mighty quarry]

What

How do you not

[grand rain]

Uhhhhhhh

[hot cairn]

wait lemme look it up

[alpine trench]

Urethra, the tunnel inside your dick for piss to come out of

[pine scaffold]

You're cooked

[mighty quarry]

Mods demote this man

[alpine trench]

I simplified it for you

[digital spear]

Why does it get assaulted

[hot cairn]

oh...

[alpine trench]

Or maybe it assaults

[frigid gulch]

The fact that they serve to boost his reputation doesn’t mean they aren’t separate. I’m exclusively talking about “Champion” as the title he has and its credibility

[serene plume]

yc why do you have a ser davos pfp i just realized

[trim lily]

this is the state of the society we live in

[rose rune]

Have you seen the video of.... wait...

[serene plume]

😭

[alpine trench]

Back to OP

[hot cairn]

english isnt my first language

[mighty quarry]

Fair then

[alpine trench]

He likes Ser Davos the Onion Knight

[sturdy steeple]

Chimera

[digital spear]

cuz hes cool

[pine scaffold]

is Garling the only character with a fraud title

[hot cairn]

Garling isnt a fraud

[serene plume]

its more fun to watch alt shift x videos than actually watch game of thrones

[pine scaffold]

I'm trying to think of others

[trim lily]

theres probably more

[hot cairn]

he's a good villain

[frigid gulch]

It ain’t fraud technically

[alpine trench]

Sb let’s wait and see if he’s a fraud now

[digital spear]

gulp

[serene plume]

trust

[frigid gulch]

It just ain’t anything crazy

[stone terrace]

Whats garlings fraud title

[pine scaffold]

I mean during GV

[digital spear]

congrats for helper @pine scaffold

[pine scaffold]

Thanks YC

[alpine trench]

That’d be cool

[frigid gulch]

Which I guess you could say is fraud tbh

[serene plume]

my heart dropped bro dont even play

[muted hedge]

perfect for Garling

[frigid gulch]

Killing fodder

[grand rain]

@hot cairn if you like movies try to watch Being John Malkovich it's a personal favorite

[alpine trench]

Typhon’s form is too abstract

[pine scaffold]

He didn't even win Shakky

[stone terrace]

Garlings failure at god valley was losing shanks

[alpine trench]

If he really liked movies he’d have seen it already

[stone terrace]

He still killed rocks

[leaden rivet]

Ew you’re a helper too

[grand rain]

[pine scaffold]

Garling was getting all excited over claiming Shakky and it never happened

[mighty quarry]

Typhon i don't see it

[alpine trench]

I really like movies so I’ve seen it

[ashen perch]

This gimmick in the year 2026...

[digital spear]

guys the last chapter kinda confirmed Holy Knights arent all that so whats gonna happen now

[frigid gulch]

For a CD this stuff is legit

[alpine trench]

Shut it foot fan

[frigid gulch]

It’s all perspective

[muted hedge]

true, though Oda would absoltuely cook when it comes to designing Typhon

[ashen perch]

Football? Yea I like it but I wouldn't say I'm a fan

[frigid gulch]

But theyre scum so what does it matter

[digital spear]

Oda would just make a new form for Typhon

[grand rain]

Discord mod life is hard be nice to them

[muted hedge]

wings, serpentine legs, multiple heads

[pine scaffold]

We move on to the true final villains

Blackbeard and his titanic captains

[digital spear]

So glue

[alpine trench]

LMFAO

Sb you’re so malleable

[wet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-steal-solo-kill-gif-24937934

[wet condor]

Garling's "kill"

[alpine trench]

Do you have an original opinion of your own

[frigid gulch]

[urban lodge]

Sb do you agree with Henry Thurlow and Greg?

[ashen perch]

Making fun of the HKs and gassing up the Titanic Captains when they have all taken Ls way before lmao

[pine scaffold]

show

[pine scaffold]

Nah I believed this since the Rocks flashback began

[wet condor]

I don't even play League, I just typed in "Kill steal" in gif search

Tried to find a call of duty one but couldn't lol

[alpine trench]

I don’t believe a word you say now

[ashen perch]

Lafitte aside, the BBPs literally have a whole history of looking like losers

[alpine trench]

They’re losers

[stone terrace]

Its only a steal if it were going to happen in the first place tbh

[pine scaffold]

so Kuzan is a loser now huh?

https://tenor.com/view/aokiji-kuzan-kuzan-aokiji-aokiji-kuzan-admiral-kuzan-gif-4300728067738209904

[ashen perch]

Yes I mean

[alpine trench]

I mean, yeah?

[ashen perch]

He did lose

[alpine trench]

He lost against Sakazuki

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[alpine trench]

That’s how he lost a leg

[leaden rivet]

Greg is notoriously dim

[stone terrace]

He lost so hard he quit his job

[alpine trench]

And joined BBP

[pine scaffold]

it took 10 days LOL

[muted hedge]

don't worry Sakazuki is riddled with scars all over

[leaden rivet]

YC I asked you a question

[pine scaffold]

Sakazuki was scarred for life

[grand rain]

Kuzan invented the omega dap so he gets a pass

[pine scaffold]

in both ways

[stone terrace]

That admiral pension is probably nice asf

[alpine trench]

Kuzan lost an entire body part, Sakazuki lost a portion of his ear

[grand rain]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-garp-aokiji-kuzan-garp-vs-aokiji-gif-8694662296006827744

[muted hedge]

Kuzan lost a leg with severe burn marks while Sakazuki got scarred and a bit of his ear went bye

[frigid gulch]

If Kuzan is a bum…

Everyone and their mother is

[ashen perch]

Sakazuki has one scar on his neck and a little damage on his ear while Kuzan lost his leg, really incomparable

[alpine trench]

The point is that Kuzan still lost

[grand rain]

Or did he...

[alpine trench]

He’s a great character and extremely strong still

But he’s a loser

[hollow dove]

Indeed, he lost all his government benefits from his cushy admiral career. Seems loser-y enough to me

[leaden rivet]

What gimmick are you possibly talking about

[ashen perch]

Wait I said aside from Lafitte but

[pine scaffold]

What is this 🥀

[ashen perch]

Magellan did oneshot him too

Right?

[pine scaffold]

this was pre timeskip

it doesn't matter

[ashen perch]

Sb

Lets think about this for a second

[alpine trench]

Magellan swept the entire crew

[ashen perch]

Lafitte - 2 years ago

[pine scaffold]

caught off guard

[ashen perch]

Garling - 39 years ago

[leaden rivet]

@digital spear I wanted to know what you thought about Usopp this chapter

[trim lily]

fun to imagine magellan wouldve killed both the main protagonist and antagonist in the same arc

[ashen perch]

Lets be very real here lol

[wraith mantle]

its kinda wild oda revealed shanks' mom name in an sbs

[alpine trench]

No they knew about Magellan and actively sought to go past him

[hot cairn]

oh I've seen that movie, I love Charlie Kaufman and Spike Jones

[muted hedge]

he should've gotten a promotion pronto

[ashen perch]

You can't be slandering Garling and then shouting pre ts over what I said

[digital spear]

All of the titanic captains are losers except Wurgess Wiryu Wevon Doc W Waugur Wizarro Wasco Wanjuan Wafitte Wronger

[hot cairn]

my favorite movie is eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

[alpine trench]

Good

[ashen perch]

Burgess got bullied by Sabo just a month ago

[hot cairn]

I have yes

[alpine trench]

That’s as perfect a movie can be

[frigid gulch]

Awakened Stronger soon

[pine scaffold]

Burgess got way stronger now tho

[muted hedge]

sulong Bepo is so cool

[pine scaffold]

He's got a fruit for himself

[trim lily]

im glad burgess got his revenge on sabo

[hot cairn]

for real

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-one-piece-anime-24

[ashen perch]

Sb again, you're slandering Garling for something that happened 39 years ago

[digital spear]

Well hes great what do you want me to say

[hot cairn]

yep, had to join the cause

[hollow dove]

Exactly, so how does a timeskip powerup or any number of devil fruits help Blackbeard Pirates if they’re complacent and still susceptible to get caught off-guard all the same by a wave of poison anyway?

[pine scaffold]

cuz its REALLY BAD

[alpine trench]

I need to make an offscreen crew meme on BB pirates

All their wins are offscreen

[wet condor]

Some shit is worth slandering for 40 years tbh

[stone terrace]

Id reason with a pack of coyotes before sb

[ashen perch]

What happened to the BBPs was infinitely worse, whole crew oneshotted by a guy who lost to Luffy and Mr.3

[wet condor]

Like some stuff you can't live down

And you need to be reminded of that failure

[hot cairn]

they are losers, that's part of the charm

[hollow dove]

The Magellan scenario isn’t even a power thing, it’s just pure fundemental carelessness by BBP

[alpine trench]

Don’t argue with Sb

[urban lodge]

Fate merchants

[pine scaffold]

I don't think Garling can live down the L at GV

[alpine trench]

He did

[ashen perch]

The entire dreams of BB, shattered instantly if Shiryu doesn't save them

[stone terrace]

He killed the guy who handed it to him

[ashen perch]

Actually insane

[alpine trench]

He went on to become a Gorosei

[stone terrace]

Who had the last laugh LOL

[digital spear]

The holy knights are bigger losers

[mighty quarry]

He lived UP

[ashen perch]

Absolutely not lol

[glacial bear]

Garling easily the best god knight there was

[frigid gulch]

They’re all bummy

[hot cairn]

how does this apply to Burgess but not to the Garling form 38 years ago

[ashen perch]

Garling's one loss 39 years ago, and 3 whole promotions ago, should never be held against him

[wet condor]

Still Rocks because Garling knows that he never could've beat him

We don't let people live down their failures here

[spice cairn]

Teech still underestimated him. Supposed lore fruit guy btw

[ashen perch]

In the 39 years ever since, he became a commander, a supreme commander and then a Gorosei

[spice cairn]

And he couldn't anticipate Magallan

[wet condor]

And still couldn't beat Xebec

[digital spear]

Yes (I like the BBP more)

[frigid gulch]

With the state Rocks was in, even some random civilian coulda done it

[spice cairn]

He had to fatemaxx Shiryu actually following his lead for him to survive

[ashen perch]

39 years ever since

[mighty quarry]

It'd be kinda poetic if Garling's loss against Rocks spurred him to actually train and become proficient in Haki

[ashen perch]

Cmon man

[muted hedge]

Oda saying that Garling is strong and people still treating him like fodder is something, i feel like anyone who went up against Xebec in that moment would've suffered a similair fate it's not exclusive to Garling

[cold steppe]

Even if teach knew about magellan. What exactly can he do?

It's a wave of poison

[spice cairn]

Void

[mighty quarry]

Because that's what people kinda do

[ashen perch]

This doesn't even make sense lol

[spice cairn]

He can literally suck in his poison attempts

[stone terrace]

Garling might not be able to beat xebec now doesnt really matter lol

[spice cairn]

While this team wallop on him

[digital spear]

Is "buzzword" a buzzword

[stone terrace]

Xebec has a floor of top 5

[spice cairn]

He clearly was able to get by him granted with Shiryus help

[glacial bear]

Besides. During the human hunt in God Valley. Garling was in the lead with the most points despite a -10,000 point penalty

[leaden rivet]

Nothing I was just curious

[hollow dove]

Yeah lol, evidently the foe has to be at least greater than an admiral

[spice cairn]

But he easily could just swallow up the hydra via Yami and then punch back

But hes genuinely dumb

[glacial bear]

And Garling doesn’t seem to have a devil fruit power. Or at least wasn’t shown to. He just relied on his sword as weapon of choice whereas Sommers & Gunko were there using their fruit abilities to score kills

[leaden rivet]

It’s the only thing we have to judge him off and you’re curious why it’s what people judge him by?

[spice cairn]

"WOAH SO YOUR MAGAL-ACK!"

[iron oriole]

BB just didn't react in time

[frigid gulch]

That’s what happens

[ashen perch]

Not at all. Even Sommers still looks better just by the virtue of losing to stronger guys lol. Qilingham literally got jumped by 3 of the strongest SHs outside of Zoro and Luffy. Garling's loss shouldn't even matter.

[leaden rivet]

Well he killed his baby mother also so we can judge him by that I guess

[iron oriole]

Though tbf, Magellan is just busted

[spice cairn]

Thats what happens when your plan is literally suicide

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-one-piece-1115-one-piece-episode-1115-gif-6820429442565058174

Caught offguard here too

[iron oriole]

The plan is fated

[wet condor]

Just because he could too

[glacial bear]

People forget that Xebec formed his crew via Davy back. Literally nobody was on his level except for Roger & Garp

[wet condor]

What purpose did it serve to kill her?

It's not she could've done anything to him

[ashen perch]

Because SB was trying to argue that BBP's previous losses are irrelevant as they were weeks, months or years ago, when he won't say this about Garling

[iron oriole]

To fuel a story to his kids to indoctrinate them

[glacial bear]

And it took a top tier to defeat a top tier villain in a young cocky Garling.

[iron oriole]

100% Garling told Shamrock that Pirates killed his mother & how he loved her so much bla bla bla

[muted hedge]

yup

[alpine trench]

Chat fed into Sb’s bait moment #848284829174

[stone terrace]

I dont think so ngl

I feel like he'd just be honest

[wet condor]

He could've just took the kids and dipped. She wasn't a threat at all lol

I think Kierran is being facetious lol

[iron oriole]

Ehh theres a chance they would have met her if he did just that

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard has done things since then Garling hasn’t

[iron oriole]

Not at all

[glacial bear]

Matter of fact. Garling is the one responsible for the God Valley situation. Suggesting to the 5 Elders to host the next Tournament there. Slaying the Davy clan. And killing Rocks D. Xebec

[leaden rivet]

So we only have to judge Garling getting punked

[blazing depot]

You’ve merely adopted the bait. I was born in it… molded by it.

[stone terrace]

Garling wasnt dealing witha. Custody battle

[glacial bear]

Besides. Garling clearly the most competent out of the god knights

[blazing depot]

Garling would become of those Facebook dads who rants about the evils of family court

[wet condor]

The thing is he could've just lied though. I doubt that they'd ever run across her lol

[spice cairn]

What are we even arguing

Garling and Teech?

[leaden rivet]

Well Saturn was at a “competent” rank yet he wasn’t much more impressive

[frigid gulch]

The most competent among trash, wow

[iron oriole]

Thats probably what the Davy family said

[wet condor]

That's what I'm saying lol

[frigid gulch]

[spice cairn]

Garling is going to kill Teech, yes.

[leaden rivet]

None of the Regen merchants seem to be that competent

Except Imu

[blazing depot]

Garling would be posting shit like this 😭

[spice cairn]

Well yeah, they're complacent

[pine scaffold]

This makes them look even worse

[leaden rivet]

Imu is a Domi merchant for now

[spice cairn]

And theyre finally being pressured for the first time in centuries

[stone terrace]

What have they done thats incompetent on elbaf tho

[wet condor]

Which makes it even funnier that if he's that ruthless he've give a damn about his sons

[spice cairn]

But I doubt the higher end of the knights would act the same way

[wet condor]

In the way that the flashback depicts

[leaden rivet]

Lose

[spice cairn]

Sommers

[mighty quarry]

I don't think anyone has hit Mars hard enough yet to cause him to regen

[wet condor]

"Oh my son, the lower world must've been terrible for you!"

[leaden rivet]

Except Gunko

[mighty quarry]

Well except the Joyboy haki blast

[rose rune]

Don't post toadgashi here please

[stone terrace]

That would make every villain in this series incompetent

Besides like akainu

[iron oriole]

He only gives a damn about them to use them as weapons basically, they're groomed to be soldiers of "God"

[stone terrace]

Actually he lost too!

[spice cairn]

Literally bashed a nightmare monster into the abduction ship and said ayy caramba

[pine scaffold]

Gunko was gonna lose to Gaban if she didn't resort to using Colon against him

[glacial bear]

They’re the revolutionary army’s targets after all. I honestly didn’t expect them to be so overwhelmingly unstoppable

[spice cairn]

Eptiome of a failure

Like his father Peter

[glacial bear]

Exactly

[mighty quarry]

I have high expectations of Mars and Nusjuro at least

[wet condor]

Well I think that's namely why he cares about them in the first place. But it's funny to see that he actually cares about their feelings to the extent that he does, given how he was talking whenever he met Shanks as an adult

[blazing depot]

Imu is just lazy and his employees are stupid and reckless

[frigid gulch]

More or less yea

[leaden rivet]

Well yes obviously there’s more to it than losing, like who they’re losing to, how much dominance they’ve demonstrated etc

[stone terrace]

In fact id argue imu is more incompetent than his cronies, sommers even floats that idea

Being strong doesnt mean jack when you dont use it right

[frigid gulch]

Sommers is so funny man

[stone terrace]

See: linlin

[leaden rivet]

I meant competence like strength

[ashen perch]

He has been promoted 3 times for obviously good reasons lol, he'll get this chance to show his feats soon, he hasn't even fought on screen since then so its silly to make this argument lol

[glacial bear]

Garling, Shamrock, Akainu, and Blackbeard I see as villains to try to claim Imu’s throne for themselves

[pine scaffold]

I cant believe he tried pinning the blame on Imu (his own boss)

[frigid gulch]

Goated low-key

[leaden rivet]

And he hasn’t. So that’s why people judge him off of until he shows said feats.

[urban lodge]

Skill issue, should have been faster

[leaden rivet]

You can argue he got stronger that’s common sense but we judge by what he has

[ashen perch]

That's not how it works

[leaden rivet]

And what does he have? Killing some slaves, killing his baby mama and also getting bitched by Rocks

[digital spear]

Shouldnt the (I like the bbp more) make the intention of my message clear

I think no matter how much the bbp lose they just seem to have fun with what they do and always stand back up while the HKs seem complacent with their powers and not used to their regen being countered, even if their abilities are cooler or more creative than the bbp so far

[stone terrace]

I believe gaban would beat gunko 1v1 but theres legit no rational reason to assume that would be the 100% be the case

[ashen perch]

Since when have people cared so much about present day feats, didn't matter with Dragon did it?

[glacial bear]

The only one Gaban would have trouble with is Shamrock

[stone terrace]

Gunko using colon against scopper is slimy but its called being smart

[leaden rivet]

What exactly do you mean it didn’t matter with Dragon?

[pine scaffold]

Gunko would have been destroyed if Colon wasn't around tho

[stone terrace]

Even if gunko could high diff scopper, why the fuck would you do that

[pine scaffold]

thats the thing

[frigid gulch]

There is. Usually Oda puts in those caveats because the opponent (Garp, Whitebeard) is that strong

[glacial bear]

Gunko is not beating Gaban lmao

[frigid gulch]

It’s there to nerf them

Oden as well

[leaden rivet]

Gunko maybe could’ve beaten Gaban

[stone terrace]

According to...

[frigid gulch]

She couldn’t have

[leaden rivet]

It’s not crazy to say

[pine scaffold]

Def not

[frigid gulch]

No shot

[glacial bear]

Well elaborate why she could

[pine scaffold]

Gaban has future sight and he'd just see all the attacks Gunko throws at him

[leaden rivet]

King I thought your pfp was rocks in a garbage can

[stone terrace]

Youre the one pushing that pal

[frigid gulch]

There is always a reason why Oda resorts to those things

[leaden rivet]

Until I just looked at it now

[wet condor]

I get the logic why Gunko did what she did even if she could beat Gaban. I still don't think she can though and part of the reason why she chose to resort to the kids is because beating Gaban is hard enough even when she has the advantage in the form of regeneration lol

[urban lodge]

Where he belongs

[ashen perch]

When people throw around these strength labels on him, its purely based on assumptions lol. Its the same with Garling. With even BB to some extent

[frigid gulch]

Nah it’s Rocks charging

At Roger and Garp

[glacial bear]

Yet you provide no other explanation as to why he couldn’t beat Gunko

[leaden rivet]

Well yeah, and Dragon gets probably the most heat for lacking feats

[wet condor]

The whole situation makes Gaban look good power wise lol

[wet condor]

If he was just 15 years younger

[frigid gulch]

Yea no doubt that’s true as well

[ashen perch]

Not from the same folks lol

[leaden rivet]

It’s hard to put a placement on Garling’s strength

[frigid gulch]

It’s easier to deal with the opponent in that way

[leaden rivet]

Do you have a direct comparison to use or is this what you’re guessing

King what is your pfp supposed to be

[glacial bear]

Glad you agree then

[leaden rivet]

What’s goin on there

I can’t figure it out

[pine scaffold]

He literally just said

🥀

[frigid gulch]

.

[mighty quarry]

Gunko still has arrow hax to use against Gaban
But Gaban also has future sight, which would be more effective if Colon wasn't there to throw him off balance

[leaden rivet]

Oh I was focused on Arsalwise

My apologies

[mighty quarry]

You could see either winning with right conditions

[frigid gulch]

I think the challenge with Gunko is yet again the trickiness

That’s the only thing making it tough for Gaban

But with extended fighting

He may figure it out and take her out

[mighty quarry]

Ye the fruit is really something

[stone terrace]

Gunko claims that the outcome cant be changed is the thing

[leaden rivet]

Gaban should gas with extended fighting no?

[stone terrace]

If thats true then future sight is pretty useless

[frigid gulch]

No

[pine scaffold]

It's crazy how we're debating OLD Gaban vs Gunko

We all agree prime Gaban would just one shot her right?

[frigid gulch]

Unless it’s an admiral

[wet condor]

This was interesting

[mighty quarry]

Yes prime gaban no diffs

Ofc

[wet condor]

And I wondered how literal it was

[frigid gulch]

Or she has an elaborate plan to exhaust him

[stone terrace]

Gaban is not prime gaban yea

[leaden rivet]

I don’t see Gunko being much slower than an admiral

[frigid gulch]

Maybe

[leaden rivet]

Unless it’s Kizaru

[stone terrace]

Thats a different beast

[frigid gulch]

Prime Gaban doesn’t change the trickiness

But maybe he could catch up in speed

Hard to say

[pine scaffold]

nah it does

[wet condor]

He can just block or maybe destroy the arrows

[frigid gulch]

Or unless ..

Prime Gaban is smarter

[pine scaffold]

He should have all his stats boosted a ton

in his prime

his stamina would be crazy

[limber hawk]

Can gunko use her fruit when Imu is in control?

[mighty quarry]

Prime Gaban with his speed should make the arrows largely irrelevant

[frigid gulch]

Imu can use it probably

[ashen perch]

I really wouldn't say there was any instantly standing up or having fun in the 99% of the losses, they looked like losers and were about to have their journey instantly ended even on some occasions. Sommers is really the only one who has even been like this, so its silly to judge them as a whole for it.

[frigid gulch]

Just like with Saturn

[wet condor]

I think she just gets blitzed yeah

[pine scaffold]

Rayleigh and Gaban are basically equals

[stone terrace]

Just for reference, kizaru himself couldnt defeat rayleigh

[pine scaffold]

so if u think Ray beats her, Gaban should too

[frigid gulch]

Kizaru would have eventually

[stone terrace]

Now if it was a bloodlusted no holds barred match yeah i have kizaru taking that

[mighty quarry]

Thing is I don't think current Gaban is dodging all her arrow hax now

You can see him getting caught

[stone terrace]

But thats not how reality works for many matchups

[pine scaffold]

he has future sight

he wont get caught

[leaden rivet]

It wasn’t that Kizaru couldn’t defeat Rayleigh, he just didn’t do it immediately

[frigid gulch]

The guaranteed hit stuff is something

[leaden rivet]

Rayleigh wouldn’t have lasted much longer

[ornate tartan]

Gunko>Gaban

[leaden rivet]

Well Arsal are you going to answer my question? I noticed that a lot of times people here conflate different groups of people together to make a point look stupid

[frigid gulch]

Oden almost tore Kaido a new one prior to the deception

[mighty quarry]

Case in point, Kata had future sight but still couldn't dodge all of Snakemans punches right

[spice cairn]

I love Boa Hancock

[leaden rivet]

People were fighting me so hard on this last week lol

[hollow dove]

Future sight isn’t the end all of you can’t actually dodge and make amendments to your actions in time.
I’m quite certain Gaban is slower than his prime, as he said he is rusty. And Gunko’s arrows are is a tricky ability to react to

[mighty quarry]

Same with Luffy not being able to dodge Kaido

[frigid gulch]

I know lol

[mighty quarry]

Even with FS

[frigid gulch]

It’s an unpopular opinion

But it’s just the reality

[urban lodge]

It shouldn't be unpopular

That's how the scene is presented

[ashen perch]

I mean anyone really, 99% of Garling slander comes from people who themselves constantly hype up characters that you can only make assumptions about. From Mihawk to Dragon to even BB to some extent, where you have to assume he's secretly stronger than Shanks and not the guy who was looking bad against Law

[mighty quarry]

And it was clear Kaido blitzed Luffy through Future sight

[spice cairn]

Oden was literally going to kill Kaido

[frigid gulch]

They wanna deny it because they think Oden isn’t that strong

[mighty quarry]

Same thing could happen to Gaban

[frigid gulch]

I think that’s what it is

[spice cairn]

Its surprising that its unpopular

But people dont read

So I get it.

[frigid gulch]

Also it’s funny

That panel with the five of them

[hollow dove]

As we saw with Gunko stabbing Colon, it didn’t matter how much of the future Gaban could even see, he couldn’t stop it in time. If anything, the future sight just tormented him mentally at that moment and did nothing else positive lol

[spice cairn]

Its hard to admit you didnt like Oden without having to look like a jackass being wrong about it

[frigid gulch]

Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Oden

[leaden rivet]

Gunko is fast asf

[frigid gulch]

I wonder if people will now say the same shit for Rocks as they do Oden

[leaden rivet]

That’s what having no pants does to you

[frigid gulch]

Even though Rocks fought Kaido at best 38 years ago

A much much weaker Kaido

And Kaido still has him as someone capable of fighting him

I better not see the goalposts get moved

[spice cairn]

Her fruit can just find its way anyways too

[leaden rivet]

And she kneed Usopp also, Gunko was really beating on all my least favorite characters

That’s why I love her

[ashen perch]

I think Oden could have killed Kaido but I don't believe that that was about to happen before the Momo deception, thats all. Kaido was not injured enough and did not intentionally take advantage of it, he was already about to attack Oden there

[frigid gulch]

Except he wasn’t

He was on the floor

[stone terrace]

Prime Kaido > oden obv but oden never reached his prime

58 year old oden could be above shanks

[frigid gulch]

And the time bought by the deception allowed Kaido to get up and attack him

[ashen perch]

He was, thats why the attack landed at the exact same instant that Momo showed up

Fake Momo

[frigid gulch]

Not the instant

[wet condor]

Years ago I was in the trenches defending this lol

[ashen perch]

Kaido clearly had no clue what was happening, he jumped in to attack Oden and then noticed Higurashi

It was pretty much all in instant

[frigid gulch]

We literally see Kaido on the floor as Oden charges at him

And then he’s stopped by fake Momo

He was not attacking shit

[ashen perch]

We do but he's reverting to his human form there

[frigid gulch]

No he ain’t

[ashen perch]

What

[wet condor]

Shanks is more likable for more people but after Kaido's top 5, people were with full sincerity telling me that Oden couldn't've been on the same level as all those other guys

[ashen perch]

How did he attack in his human form then lol

[golden valley]

It makes the attack unavoidable but not unblockable

[frigid gulch]

Because he reverted in that moment

[wet condor]

Clear to me that's where he would've been in prime lol

[frigid gulch]

And attacked

[golden valley]

And given Gaban is an ACoC user, well his defense should be pretty good

[frigid gulch]

But not prior

[leaden rivet]

I keep forgetting about coc armor

[golden valley]

Even oda does

[urban lodge]

It's such a funny concept

[mighty quarry]

Coc armor

[digital spear]

the coat of a king ...

[ashen perch]

It was all in an instant, Kaido managed to hit Oden because he was going to, the split second distraction only left him wide open

[frigid gulch]

Garp getting nerfed like that and Gaban being taken out in that way is the same shit

It’s to prevent something Oda doesn’t want

But he won’t totally have it happen in a fair way

[leaden rivet]

It’s the final addition to make acoc just quite literately armament but better

[frigid gulch]

To show respect for how strong that character is

[ashen perch]

I mean

It always was

[frigid gulch]

Except that just ain’t shown

[ashen perch]

Luffy was defending with ACoC already in Onigashima

[frigid gulch]

Kaido has enough time to get up as Oden charges at him. He’s reeling from the hit

[ashen perch]

Xebec just evolved it into a barrier because his haki had grown more powerful than his opponents

[stone terrace]

This shit is getting crazy

[frigid gulch]

And that’s what Oden is using to attack him

[scarlet nacelle]

i fucking hate ai

[leaden rivet]

When

[ashen perch]

This is like 3 pages wide

[frozen ravine]

fake, this art is too good for one piece

[frigid gulch]

Conq armor makes sense

[leaden rivet]

Big mom I think was the first coc armor user I remember

With the rail gun

[frigid gulch]

Same jp word used and everything

[leaden rivet]

Don’t remember Luffy’s coc armor

[frigid gulch]

I used to deny it but..

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah people denied CoC armor was a thing for a long time

[ashen perch]

I don't think we see him in pain, just going down but thats the exact same way he goes into his human form

[frigid gulch]

I’ll admit I was being dumb

[scarlet nacelle]

also look how the panels are sequences
luffy makes a face
uses armament
the clash
imu makes a face
luffy uses armament...again
and luffy makes another face

[golden valley]

I mean CoC armor to me is just projecting CoC out from your body to create a shield effect

In which case

[ashen perch]

Multiple times, in 1037 especially iirc

[scarlet nacelle]

why would it be structured like that unless its just AI

[golden valley]

Kaido and luffy did it

In 1037

[hot cairn]

ai slop

[golden valley]

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/1037-010.png

[scarlet nacelle]

also in the ai slop image luffy isn't even fighting gunkimu
no wings or tail or pitchfork

base gunko

[urban lodge]

Yeah too unrealistic, no way Luffy would survive that

[frigid gulch]

There’s no way he wouldn’t be in pain if the attacks we see in the present are hurting him. But aside from that, what I’m saying is he was taking a bit of a breather like he kinda did several times in the raid

Scabbards and Luffy did it to him

[ashen perch]

Yea and he cleanly eats a drunken dragon bagua to his face prior to it

Which he obviously survived because of CoC

[frigid gulch]

Yea

That’s prob what happened

Kaido was going much harder and Luffy tanked the hit

[ashen perch]

And there was that moment where he deflects an attack with a CoC barrier too

[frigid gulch]

That shit was ridiculous otherwise

[ashen perch]

Bottom left

[stone terrace]

Thats not really armor

[frigid gulch]

I mean I guess Garp did it with BM too

[stone terrace]

Hes actively deflecting it

[frigid gulch]

It’s just CoA 2.0

[runic dock]

Defending using acoc nonetheless

Notice the spark upward from the deflect itself

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[digital spear]

Normal coc: the crown of a king
Acoc attack: the sword of a king
Acoc armor: the coat of a king

[digital spear]

aura?

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-crying-seal-forced-to-seal-crying-gif-20960311

[frigid gulch]

No aura

[digital spear]

pls tell him he has aura

[golden valley]

Its more like he’s deflecting it to counteract the force behind the attack, but its still armor

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/1037-007.png

For whatever reason these slashes just got way more powerful

[stone terrace]

Armor is more what rocks did

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-silvers-rayleigh-blackbeard-scared-boa-hancock-gif-18266399401263441122

[ashen perch]

I'll still disagree, I don't think he would have really had much of a breathing room there because it all happens in an instant. Kaido would have to be ready to attack again for him to not notice what Higurashi was doing.

[frigid gulch]

Oda should depict it like this

[rose rune]

I put on my robe and acoc hat

[frigid gulch]

The breathing room doesn’t have to be much

[leaden rivet]

Does coc armor require acoc?

[digital spear]

is that a new Law attack

[glacial herald]

guys how many chapters before man with the burn scars is revealed?

[frigid gulch]

It’s just more the after effect of the attack

He isn’t getting up instantly due to damage

[stone terrace]

37

[leaden rivet]

I wonder if Hancock can use coc armor

[glacial herald]

is it official or just a prediction?

[stone terrace]

Lets start with basic acoc first

[leaden rivet]

Maybe if we got to see her fight…

[digital spear]

any coc attack thats not just knocking out people is probably acoc

[frigid gulch]

If she can coat conq

Then yea

[leaden rivet]

Well there’s no way she has that

[stone terrace]

Official

[urban lodge]

It probably is a form of acoc

[glacial herald]

we get like 2 chapters a month though how will it be covered this year?

[frigid gulch]

Just like if you can coat armament

[golden valley]

Hmmm, is this an acoc barrier too?

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/1041-014.png

[digital spear]

find a non misogynstic author first

[leaden rivet]

This hurts more than you know YC

[stone terrace]

Thats just coc

I dont think kaido ever used it

[digital spear]

Im saying it because it hurts me

[leaden rivet]

A shonen author who treats women right is impossible to find

[stone terrace]

Not because he couldnt just cuz he didnt care to

[mighty quarry]

Is this about GRRM

[digital spear]

no

just Oda

[mighty quarry]

Ok

[golden valley]

It seems awfully similar to Rocks. Blowing Luffy back who already had placed his feet

[frigid gulch]

Just the force of conq

[rose rune]

there's good coc and bad coc
live action luffy 2020

[frigid gulch]

Honestly, this type of attack seems more so like the haki wand thing

It was pretty unique

[alpine trench]

what a page

[golden valley]

I thought Rocks was just doing that without throwing out any attacks with his limbs but i noticed he very clearly swings his sword

[alpine trench]

another awesome page

[hot cairn]

I miss Kaido

[frigid gulch]

Oda did cook with the little he gave us

[golden valley]

Kaido should’ve been in elbaf

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/desheveled-cat-kitty-sandwich-hungry-gif-16774436192549684709

[trim lily]

i hear kaido fans are in for a big surprise in chapter 1186 👀

[frigid gulch]

The goats..

[leaden rivet]

All these techniques yet Oda hasn’t introduced coc healing yet, what’s taking him so long

[frigid gulch]

Soon

[urban lodge]

It's only a matter of time

[frigid gulch]

Shanks really the only one with a special technique

Make it less obvious Oda

[hot cairn]

what happens in chapter 1186

[digital spear]

Dry Kaido

[trim lily]

well i dont want to ruin the surprise

[digital spear]

Dolfius talking like Oda

[leaden rivet]

Wait a minute

[frigid gulch]

Flashback to BM killing Kaido

[leaden rivet]

Maybe he can’t because it undermines chopper

[trim lily]

we truly live in the golden age of vagueposting

[leaden rivet]

It’s a bit too obscure of an ability to never have been mentioned

But the new world wasn’t mentioned until hundreds of chapters after the grand line sooo

[urban lodge]

That's because only Shanks and Joyboy have ever unlocked it

But Shanks is so cool that he chose not to heal his arm

[ashen perch]

We could be in the cutaways

[leaden rivet]

I wonder if shanks has more coc abilities up his sleeve really

[ashen perch]

1178 will decide, I'll let you know then

[trim lily]

oh after kid returns

[leaden rivet]

Coc constructs aren’t off the table

[ashen perch]

Nah

[frigid gulch]

He probably has advanced advanced obs

[trim lily]

toei already foreshadowed it with the haki griffin

[ashen perch]

Not because of Kid, I don't think he can return just yet

[leaden rivet]

Wait no, Sak didn’t get promoted….😔

[frigid gulch]

I think he has the best obs feats too

[leaden rivet]

Poor Sak

[frigid gulch]

Or at least top 3

[leaden rivet]

He has time, Enel has range

[frigid gulch]

At least 10s future sight

And range big enough to detect GB in Wano

[iron oriole]

who?

[frigid gulch]

And target him

Shanks

[iron oriole]

oh yeah he does

[leaden rivet]

Who has best armament?

Feats

[iron oriole]

14 second fs i think it was

[leaden rivet]

That would be Luffy then huh

[frigid gulch]

Armament is kinda tough

[iron oriole]

able to locate GB accurately even miles away

[hot cairn]

okok, I'm excited for the chapter, I think it'll let us know how the future of the arc goes

[deep chasm]

armament feats kinda are wakcy now that people use acoc and armament together

[leaden rivet]

He’s one of a few that have internal destruction

[frigid gulch]

It’s always mixed with conq

Rayleigh tho maybe

[hot cairn]

did Sak applied?

[ashen perch]

Definitely

[leaden rivet]

Only Rayleigh and Luffy have internal destruction at this point I think

[deep chasm]

I would say luffy still got better feats

we just never seen ray use it besides the cuffs

[leaden rivet]

I think he said he would

[deep chasm]

luffys actually hurt a yonko with it

[leaden rivet]

But he was afraid he’d have to speak in a vc

[iron oriole]

Gaban for sure has ACoC too

[frigid gulch]

I assume he’d be able to do the same things but yea

Technically he hasn’t

Well Gaban hasn’t shown it

[leaden rivet]

So if only 2 have ID so far I guess Luffy gets best armament

[frigid gulch]

Just like Roger Rocks haven’t shown fs

[deep chasm]

internal destruction is armament

[frigid gulch]

But they prob have it

[iron oriole]

i'm sad Rayleigh didn't do an ACoC attack on Sommers

[frigid gulch]

He may have

[iron oriole]

ehh right bed, wrong house

[frigid gulch]

Oda didn’t depict conq against Garling

[deep chasm]

never heard that before

[frigid gulch]

For Rocks

[leaden rivet]

No one cares about armament anymore that’s old news

[iron oriole]

basically "close enough"

[deep chasm]

yea, oda really has some things just washed up now

armament and all gears besides g5 are like irrelevant

[frigid gulch]

It’s all conq focus now

[deep chasm]

im ngl, even FS seems barely relevant

at least for luffy

[iron oriole]

G2 still the best gear

[leaden rivet]

Observation haki feels like it exists like half the time

[iron oriole]

as much as i love G5

[deep chasm]

shanks I guess we saw a good showing. otherwise its just there but you wouldnt tell its there

[iron oriole]

after Kaido was like "you aint special kid" & did it too, he kinda just stopped

[leaden rivet]

Given coc has armament qualities I wonder if it has observation qualities also

[frigid gulch]

Maybe that’s what Shanks does

[deep chasm]

right

[leaden rivet]

It allows you to speak through your will so that kinda sounds like an observation ability

[frigid gulch]

Combined coo with conq

Haki enhancing haki..

Mixed haki

[leaden rivet]

Haki can only get more bullshit and we’re at the beginning

[iron oriole]

still wonder if we'll see obs killer properly

[leaden rivet]

Was observation killer confirmed to be a coc ability

[golden valley]

Yep

[ashen perch]

Need more of that from CoC

Less Armament+

[leaden rivet]

So coc can not only have the qualities of armament, can disable devil fruit transformations and can deactivate observation haki completely

Talk about favorite child

[frigid gulch]

Ppl talking about new applications

With the regen stuff

Only for it to be the same stuff

[iron oriole]

CoC is shaping up to be the jack of all trades haki

[leaden rivet]

Jack of all trades master at everything

[iron oriole]

true

[deep chasm]

I remember when CoC was just the haki that knocked out fodder and it was cool cuz it showed your character

[frigid gulch]

We shoulda seen it coming

[iron oriole]

the flex mechanic

[leaden rivet]

Yep it just showed your sheer will

[frigid gulch]

Obs then CoA

Now conq

[iron oriole]

using Shanks CoC to flex as he walked onto WB's ship

[leaden rivet]

I always thought coc was particularly weak so yeah we really should’ve seen it coming

[iron oriole]

people just passing out as he walked

[leaden rivet]

“Why are they hype at something that only knocks out fodder”

[golden valley]

Which is why he might really be a Joyboy descendant

[frigid gulch]

Hopefully same logic for logia awakenings..

[vernal ravine]

the moment he introduced the advance thing it was obvious

[iron oriole]

i still don't think logia's can awaken

[leaden rivet]

None of the admirals showed it of recent our last hope is Blackbeard

[olive sun]

The impression I get from haki is that everyone basically starts at the same place, specs into different trees as they advance to mid level, and then mastery has all those trees converge back together and the lines between em are a lot vaguer at the top level

[iron oriole]

i'll forever stick with the opinion that not all DFs can/should awaken until Oda says otherwise

[frigid gulch]

They’re holding back trust

[olive sun]

CoC and CoA are ultimately two applications of the same core power

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard not having it would be great

[leaden rivet]

I feel like there’s 0 logic behind logia’s not being able to awaken.

[urban lodge]

I really hope the devil fruit guy remains the df guy

[leaden rivet]

How is Blackbeard supposed to beat the god king in his current state?

[iron oriole]

BB wont beat Buggy

[golden valley]

I dont want admirals to have been secretly holding back awakenings tbh, at least some of the admirals

The things that’d do to the community

[olive sun]

I think the logia issue is as simple as Oda not having drawn it yet cuz all the relevant logias are endgame characters

[vernal ravine]

you really sure blackbeard's fruit is logia

[olive sun]

Egghead wasn't Kizarus arc why waste time drawing his awakening

[rose brook]

Ink fruit theory >>>>

[leaden rivet]

Not again

[iron oriole]

atp i think if its not BB that shows off logia awakenings, its gonna be Dragon

[deep chasm]

I agree

[leaden rivet]

Egghead was a very admiral focused arc and the best time for Oda to do it

[deep chasm]

I dont think it would be secret. Imo if only akainu and maybe aokiji have awakenings theres no issue

[vernal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/time's-up-time-is-ticking-otw-rabbit-clock-gif-2385048485865996344

[deep chasm]

just never had a place to use it besided punk hazard

[olive sun]

Yeah but the real villain of the arc was Saturn

[deep chasm]

have kizaru not be awakened and we're good

[rose brook]

Theres gonna be multiple but if Dragon doesn't, Sabo defo will at least

[olive sun]

He's the one who got the time and attention

[leaden rivet]

Is Kuzan also not awakened then?

[deep chasm]

He can be, he was on his own island

him not using it on garp on their home island makes sense

[leaden rivet]

Well that’s assuming the awakening causes mass destruction I guess

Ice melts

[iron oriole]

the OG Admiral trio should all get it if they are going to at all

[olive sun]

Isn't the theory for logia awakenings still that Punk Hazard is the aftermath of an awakened duel

They Terraformed that island pretty bad

He wouldn't wanna do that to the place he lives

[iron oriole]

personally think its just from them overusing their fruits so much that it scarred the island permanently

[deep chasm]

yea thats what I believe

[deep chasm]

it didnt on punk hazard

so yknow

[muted hedge]

and Smoker

[somber flare]

Horrible theory

[iron oriole]

Smoke this

[vernal ravine]

guys, logias were abandoned in post time skip

[deep chasm]

I dont think kizaru needs to get it just cuz the other two do

[rose brook]

Logias were made with the dream to influence weather

[iron oriole]

he does, its like Pokemon... gotta collect them all

[somber flare]

Yeah some dude was like “I wish it could rain mud”

[deep chasm]

other 2 pokemon>kizaru

[golden valley]

I’ll take this explanation of what happened on the island until I see something otherwise.

[iron oriole]

racist

[golden valley]

I also dont want that to just be Logia awakening tbh

[frigid gulch]

Logia domain

[rose brook]

I wish it rained magma

[golden valley]

I think changing your environment to your element is just another paramecia rip off, it can be more creative than that

[rose brook]

But uh volcanos are actually good for soil fertility so...

[frigid gulch]

Ye

It’s boring

[digital spear]

do it like Artur Piece

the magma is ALIVE now

[somber flare]

The hie hie no mi literally does that already

[golden valley]

Some Logias already do that too is the thing

[somber flare]

By freezing it

[golden valley]

Greenbull fruit does it

[trim lily]

wait is artur a believer in logia awakening is making sentient things

i knew he was awesome

[golden valley]

Ye iirc

[iron oriole]

so just a rip off Perospero

[golden valley]

Thats also mid smh

[frigid gulch]

Luffy has a two in one awakening

[deep chasm]

I think its permanent

[somber flare]

Far more interesting than the punk hazard theory

It’s just gotta be something different

[trim lily]

i really cant think of a more interesting logia awakening

they can alraedy do basically everything

[digital spear]

is the sugar alive?

why Peros

[iron oriole]

yes

[deep chasm]

paramecias do it temporarily, logias do it permanently. You may still think thats lame but thats what I think the difference would be

[frigid gulch]

Lame

[golden valley]

Sure i suppose

[somber flare]

Thankfully Oda doesn’t suck that bad to make that happen

[rose brook]

i think its more abstract

[trim lily]

theres been an animal theme with some logias so i think it could go somewhere

[golden valley]

I mean, I think harnessing surrounding elements is a much cooler thing

[trim lily]

and karasu's crows...

[rose brook]

for months now ive believed that when imu awakened the ink fruit he was able to alter texts written in ink all across the world and thats how he erased the void century

[golden valley]

Kizaru if he could absorb surrounding light would literally be broken

[prisma yacht]

Btw I got silver karasu today

[frigid gulch]

Besides a space constructed by logia elements, what else could we get

[urban lodge]

The Karasu thing is the weirdest thing we've gotten

[digital spear]

I dont recall when except when he made a big frog like thing but that was Big Moms homie

[prisma yacht]

[urban lodge]

Creating independent sentient things from your element

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-karasu-one-piece-commander-karasu-of-the-revolutionary-army-one-piece-karasu-sensing-haki-presence-one-piece-anime-one-piece-gif-1746034553034289988

[trim lily]

theres the clay fruit too but thats probably paramecia

[golden valley]

🛌

[frigid gulch]

Karasu vs the second strongest HK

[urban lodge]

I don't necessarily think that's what a logia awakening is, but it is weird

[iron oriole]

still counts

[trim lily]

lindbergh vs mars

[somber flare]

Karasu wipes

[frigid gulch]

Nah

[urban lodge]

The only reason I think logia awakenings even exist is because I think BB will awaken all his fruits

[frigid gulch]

The HKs are just right for the revs

[golden valley]

Omg, that Kizaru vs Big Mom fan fight made Kizaru’s logia awakening sentient based if i remember correctly

Sooo lame

[frigid gulch]

Tbh tho some of the moves were cool

[trim lily]

akainu will be summoning magma dogs and youre gonna like it

[frigid gulch]

Kizaru using light finger pistol

That’s the type of stuff I wanted Oda to do but alas

[ornate tartan]

greenbull will save the wg

forest logia

[trim lily]

[vernal ravine]

Greenbull might get beaten by Jinbe, no joke

[ornate tartan]

you know he’s kinda like sommers except stronger

[ornate tartan]

u serious?

[trim lily]

greenbull doesnt have nearly as much whimsy

[ornate tartan]

he’s an admiral😂

[frigid gulch]

I see that’s what it was

[trim lily]

gb tries to justify himself which makes him a dork

[vernal ravine]

eos

[trim lily]

sommers is evil and he loves it

[frigid gulch]

Is that a light barrier

[digital spear]

thats just a Big Mom rip off then if she put souls into the logia material

[iron oriole]

nuh uh

[leaden rivet]

You have no human rights was a pretty good line

[spice cairn]

All I got was a Sugar holo card from this pack opening

[frigid gulch]

Kiz over

[trim lily]

i wonder if we'll ever see ricardo again

[spice cairn]

I can show you one better than this

[iron oriole]

lol Kizaru using shave just seems funny

[frigid gulch]

Shave + light

[somber flare]

Kizaru fan fiction

[frigid gulch]

Exceeding light wow

[spice cairn]

Jesus vs Greenbull

[somber flare]

Kizaru needs to have some spare nukes and volcanoes ready

[iron oriole]

why doesn't Kizaru just blind people

[golden valley]

This is what people thought kizaru would do to get faster

[hot cairn]

what is going on here

[golden valley]

Turns out he can just accelerate

[leaden rivet]

Kizaru blinded Luffy during their fight

[spice cairn]

Hes burning Greenbull to death

[leaden rivet]

When he kicked him

[spice cairn]

Pixiv has terrible formatting

[frosty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/myeyes-basil-hawkins-blinded-cant-see-one-piece-gif-21769323

[hot cairn]

but doesnt Greenbull regenerate after being bruned?

[golden valley]

Same for bm tho

[frigid gulch]

Light flare type thing

[hot cairn]

we saw that with Momo

[iron oriole]

i mean like shoot lasers at their eyes

[golden valley]

Idk why they gave her future sight

[iron oriole]

not just be a flashlight

[trim lily]

correct

[spice cairn]

This is a Blackbeard Jesus Burgress Yaoi

Theres no logic behind it.

[hot cairn]

I see

[spice cairn]

Hes just saving Teech from his own Marineford

[trim lily]

wait really

[golden valley]

BM is like not fit for future sight at all

[leaden rivet]

Giving Big mom future sight is crazy considering it felt like she barely had observation vs Law and Kid

[iron oriole]

same for Conq

[leaden rivet]

She got snuck like every other attack it was a sight to see

[spice cairn]

Its not NSFW dw

Its more wholesome

[iron oriole]

thought BM amnesia was gonna kick back in after a while

she was forgetting she could do so much

[deep chasm]

Big mom uses df more than haki but oda failed to emphasize that enough

[trim lily]

surprised given how burgess looks

[leaden rivet]

Because there’s 0 reason not to use both

Kaido and Luffy spammed their fruit and acoc

But big mom for some reason can’t

[golden valley]

My biggest Yonko complaint will ALWAYS be big mom

[spice cairn]

Oda hates women

[golden valley]

Even though buggy exists

[spice cairn]

So Big Mom using his own arsenal?

[deep chasm]

you can use both and still one be your main threat

[spice cairn]

Haha

[iron oriole]

how could you complain about God King Buggy

[spice cairn]

Blame Oda for that

[golden valley]

Bm deserved a better author tbh

[deep chasm]

hey I just say maybe she cant put haki on the homies

[leaden rivet]

But the thing is that’s both their main thing

[muted hedge]

i wonder if there's an outerversal god in One Piece

[leaden rivet]

Even her regular punches she wasn’t using acoc

[deep chasm]

But kaido and luffy arent the only people who exists. Im not comparing her to them

[golden valley]

Pandaman

[deep chasm]

this is true

[leaden rivet]

I’m comparing her to others of her rank

Is that wrong?

[spice cairn]

Was the only coc moment she had was her reacting to Carmel's picture being ruined?

[muted hedge]

not quite what i imagined, but...

[spice cairn]

I think she had one in Wano iirc

[iron oriole]

BM did more vs Ulti & P1 than vs Law & Kid

[leaden rivet]

She used coc on page one and then she used coc armor to defend from the railgun

[deep chasm]

In this topic? Yea. How much they focus on haki or on df isnt determined by your rank. You could be yonko level and barely use your fruit, or be yonko level and barely use your haki. Not a likely case but oda could make it work

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think he made it work

[spice cairn]

People are scared to admit that Oda absolutely failed Big Mom

[deep chasm]

if its just about her not seeming strong enough sure. But I wouldnt say she needs to be equally good at haki and df

[spice cairn]

She deserved a better writer like someone said.

[deep chasm]

Im not saying he did either, Im saying he could if he tried. I think BM was supposed to be more df focus, but he failed to show it well

[spice cairn]

Being Kid and Law's sloppy seconds especially.

[urban lodge]

That's why I still hope she returns even though I wouldn't say I believe she will

[leaden rivet]

Especially when her biggest aspect that makes her unique is her sheer durability and strength not using haki as much is stupid to me

[spice cairn]

Shes not returning

[leaden rivet]

But it is what it is

[deep chasm]

I liked her losing to kid and law

[spice cairn]

In a flashback? 100%

We still got the Lola stuff with Loki

[deep chasm]

though, I wouldve rathered luffy kid law 3v1 on kaido

[golden valley]

someone

[spice cairn]

I cant see your name

[leaden rivet]

And still expect Luffy to come out as a yonko after?

[spice cairn]

The BBP name color is literally invisible with dark mode

[iron oriole]

Kid & Law should have fought some other randoms

[stone terrace]

You could make the kidd and law fight look better for both parties

[deep chasm]

Yes. Have them drop out before he goes g5 and he has to finsih the fight with g5. He comes out as a yonko (but isnt quite yonko level just like current timeline)

[stone terrace]

Make kidd and law more competent so big mom doesnt have to be less competent to lose

[golden valley]

Who was possibly giving law and kidd a good fight?

Guernica?

[deep chasm]

this is really it

[stone terrace]

Have kidd use his fruit to pin down big moms arms so she cant spam punch law instead of her forgetting she has acoc

[deep chasm]

the big mom vs law and kid fight just needed to look better

[leaden rivet]

Big mom would look like a punk if she was using acoc on law and kid and next arc Kid gets one shot by shanks lol

[deep chasm]

it was too low scale and all we see is a few chapters where they use like 10 attacks total

had they shown it off more, shown off BM haki, give them all higher scale attacks etc

it wouldve been better

[deep chasm]

she looks like a punk regardless

[leaden rivet]

Big mom also never gets an ultimate move like Bajrang gun or Flaming Bagua

[golden valley]

I do think Onigashima confining their fight was a bit odd.

[deep chasm]

either way she lost. Her not using acoc just ends up being inconsistency/skill issue/whatever

[leaden rivet]

Unless it’s Misery but I would hope not since Law one tapped it

[deep chasm]

but its not like shes any more impressive for not using it

[deep chasm]

exactly

[golden valley]

Puncture Wille was the biggest scale attack used in that fight

[deep chasm]

thats part of the scale issue

[urban lodge]

Misery was so disappointing

[spice cairn]

Oda did this because if BM unironically took it seriously, it would've been over.

[deep chasm]

Big mom needed a higher scale attack to show off

[golden valley]

Yeah

[spice cairn]

But something something plot

[deep chasm]

Misery is cool, and I rate it highly, but you only have kidd to compare it to

and kidd ofc tanks it

[golden valley]

Maybe the homies just aint it

[deep chasm]

We shouldve had a longer fight, not just 10 moves, Big mom needs a magma dragon scale attack, and use her haki

[grand rain]

Big meme was past her prime

[deep chasm]

also have Kidd use that sword stuck in onigashima

[golden valley]

If only

[leaden rivet]

Yeah shanks made her look bad

Oda gotta stop with the one shotting stuff smh

[golden valley]

Notice how it happened in egghead too

[leaden rivet]

Kaido one shotting Luffy in Kuri has made people so annoying with the powerscaling

[golden valley]

Like holy shit

[spice cairn]

Yeah thats funny. At least Teech and Law had a tango

[golden valley]

What is wrong with that arc bruh

[spice cairn]

Shanks gave him no room

Which is fair but lmao

Thats so fucking funny

[hot cairn]

wdym

[deep chasm]

I dont think shanks makes her look bad

[leaden rivet]

Well if you’ve ever heard someone say Ulti>Katakuri that’s why

[deep chasm]

at the end of the day shanks can just hit harder and goes serious immediately in a 1v1 where kidd is kinda off guard

[golden valley]

From a critical thinking standpoint, i agree but

[deep chasm]

and shanks>big mom anyway

[golden valley]

Thats not gonna be true for all fans

[hot cairn]

ah yes, yes I have

[deep chasm]

yes fans go with the hype

[golden valley]

Because Ive argued ppl who used said argument

People even applied it to kaido