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happened in [REDACTED FOR OTHER SERIES SPOILER] and it was peak
Talk about out of touch
y'all reckon we just go to void century flashback and see people roaming around with mobile phones
Did my pictures of my white hands give it away?
There will be crazy tech stuff yea
You can’t say that when you already know
He was presented with the auditions netflix had chose
@leaden rivet he confirmed he was trolling jsyk
You assume I care enough to remember
For one response , where I’m acting like I’m mad that luffy isn’t brazillian
Everything else I’m serious
I was wondering if it was stupid or trolling so I guess trolling

Yeah I like this actually
I see
Me spitballing but I think a lot of the positive inclusions this season were thanks to Randy Troy who was part of the writing team , he had a YT one piece chapter review channel and he seemed locked in to the important things about this story
His mom also got turned into a character , in the newspapers
Barbara Troy is seen in the newspapers
As long as Randy Troy stays I’m okay with Matt owens leaving if he has to go
The problem is that the ethnicity is still somewhat accurate with Luffy cause Iñaki is Latino, meanwhile Vivi isn’t even accurate to ethnicity at all, like sure she didn’t have to be played by Egyptian but it could have been anyone else form SWANA reigon would have have been fine yet they didn’t even both that cause we all know the reason why with Netflix but that would end up going into political area.
Pink this has already been explained to him.
I don’t actually know what you talking about regarding the last part but ill take your word for it
Oh I would have explained it but this isn’t allowed in this server
One piece and politics just don’t mix
What has Randy Troy got to do with this ?
you didn't even let me say it
It’s like oil and water 
Listen I couldnt resist
It should've been 66
Given Germa
I was so excited to answer
But Oda sucks at writing his own story
The praise is empty when he couldn't even make 66 the All Blue chapter
Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll cast swana actors for abdullah and jeet
Now we have it 67
that would have been crazy foreshadowing
Assuming if they make it to Dressrosa
It was a side note
Going to be real guys
It’s unrelated Earl
Theyre stopping this at Enies Lobby
Dressrosa is getting skipped for sureeeee
Marineford if we are being generous
If they ever get that far
Bad stopping point , should be marineford
Especially if ace is involved
Realistically it’s going to be post war
Zoro whiskey peak fight in live action is actually so cool
lowkey i am looking forward to learn more about joyboy, hope oda doesnt drop the ball
It’s going fish man island and then straight to Wano
And then Bonney will be in OPLA Wano
Throw some Egghead in there
Like Vegapunk dies in Wano
Gear 5 would be so unbelievably ass
has s4 been confirmed
Yes.
I don’t even want to imagine it
Dude theyre already working on 3
Oh Sak
agreed
Did you see the queen from tajine kingdom stuff
Season 3 is confirmed not sure about 4
ik 3 is in progress
The CGI would be the stuff of nightmares
watch them skip skypeia
is 3 going to be just alabasta?
Need them to make it to Enies Lobby
Did you watch the LA Sak
but s3 will end with the ending of alabasta most liekly
Yippee!
I want your opinion on how fucking stupid dragon looked
I only watched the dragon scenes
I did
Hopefully they use props like they did from some hybrid forms
bro it's cuz rigo sanchez wasn't allowed to even keep a stubble and was hooded
I enjoyed the scenes tho
Pink I ended up watching the LA and they really were shipping Luffy and Vivi it was kinda weird
Like why are they looking at each other like that
Did you hear Dragon’s actor potentially reveal he has a devil fruit
Is this a "sky is wet" thing
Hoping season 3 has a casino episode
Because I feel like this has been a given for decades
Yeah lol as if it couldn’t be any more obvious , the LA just sealed the deal tho
He’s using wind to carry smoker away
this devil fruit reveal thing is funny but of course it's blown out of proportion cause people thought dragon magically created wind by farting
Specifically on smoker
Wow, he really acted… like a dragon
Oda gonna stop telling the cast secret things now
Well
What’s wrong with that
This confirms Mihawk is stronger than shanks
storm paramecia would be sick
Passing wind
Out of context yeah it did seem like romantic af 😭
Yeah as for what it is specifically , could be even mythical zoan still , but wind is for sure involved and it’s for sure a fruit
Watch that be one of his named attacks
pack it up unique paramecias are things of the past if we want a unique fruit it would be a logia
Its going to be this
100%
I would love Dragon to just be an air logia, which in turn would give him weather control
Aw fuck lol
gunkos is unique
who should get kid's fruit if hes gone?
killingham's is unique
And this isnt even just a Pokemon thing. Its an actual deity
Captain John’s zombie
But tbf it looked like hella different characters are in love with each other. Everyone looks at each other so longingly
Landorus Therian stronger
I'm getting really tired of Zoan Piece
killing is zoan
dont worry theres only a couple years left
Air logia
Wind logia or storm mythical zoan
mihawk top 1'
Ceasar was gas logia and did so much with it
I wanna see the same for wind
yeah Air Logia would be the most cool given the things Dragon has said
it's the quetzalcoatl mythical df
Sure grandpa. Let’s go take your medication, ok?
I hope Zoro hallucinating Mihawk during fights stays a thing
if dragon is a zoan I'm dropping
Dragon making a air scooter would be cool
Quetzalcoatl slams
OPLA isn't perfect but I think they're doing a great job of capturing the silly and fun vibes
The mark on Dragon’s face will be purely because he thought it looked cool, I guarantee it
fuck the df part I'm ever so curious about dragon's marks bro what does it mean
I’m really enjoying Season 2. I thought Season 1 was fun but this is a big step up
Everyone who’s fruit we don’t know has a mythical zoan
Even... HIM?
Especially HIM
only him I know is akainu
He thought it looked cool. Oda will reveal that to show that he and Luffy are in fact somewhat alike
If only dragon had a dragon mythical zoan
Wait a minute Fujin already exists
Are you fucking kidding me
ODA YOU FUCKING BITCH
Yeah I know, like in context the scene wasn’t supposed to be romantic but the way they look and how the chemistry felt like it is.
Which surprised me cause i didn’t expect that we would get so many moments between these two, but perhaps it makes sense considering Vivi is technically the newest “recruit” (until Chopper shows up) unlike previous season.
Are you the same archer that had that Community pfp?
he had it as his armband during god valley and leg band during vegapunk flashback
the ninjas were such nothing burger characters why were they even there???
surprised netflix didnt go with the woke nami x vivi
Yes 🔥
Oda you fumbled so hard
I would’ve thought you’d hate the live action
Paramecias and Logias on the same sentence
oda just been putting whatever in wano
oda fans when
We did also have a lot of Namivivi moments, but surprisingly not as much as LuVi
Ok so Dragon isn't a Fujin because theres a literal ninja called Fujin in Wano
So logia it is...
luanearlygrave is the best lu ship
He thought it looked so cool just having it as an arm and leg band wasn’t enough. He needed it on his face
Yeah season 2 is huge improvement
wonder if there was a lot of shipping debates behind the scenes 😭
The tension here was a bit unexpected , they better not make them kiss lol
Y'all going to be like STFU but dragon has a wind dragon fruit
No kissing luffy allowed
Or a storm dragon
it would be so funny if he had some kind of dragon as his fruit
Netflix is not bold enough to introduce the first gay op character
Well considering Vivi is straw hat we don’t have to worry about that lmao
Absolutely robbed
quetzalcoatl wins
Ik ik but you know what it really could be
Yeah I gotta accept the Quetzalcoatl now
They deadass casted a Non Binary person as Bon Clay who is most likely going to be referred to as they/them
We had a character names Nika already too tho
storm logia 
sharpened my kitchen knife today
Tbf that was a mermaid kid
shit is sharp af now
Who knows but Oda definitely put a stop into that lmao
Well yeah OP has lgbtq characters just none of the lg
That’s Bon Kurei to you!
This is a whole ass walking mythology reference
no matter how many logias are introduced karasu will remain the coolest one
I think they’ll use that in the La 
Down to the air around his shoulders
Idk man logia just ant it any more it's gotta be mythical zoan nowa days
Bon Kurei is also how the cards spell it
But they couldn’t cast a- oh nvm
Zoro hallucinating Mihawk like a Johnny Silverhand situation is such a cool idea
ok then uhhhh mythical zoan xmen model storm
Some theory say there names are the names of the other gods 👀
They didn’t kiss thankfully and the conversation they were talking it was more platonic, just the chemistry made it sound like that
That would be peak tho
Dragon turning into storm
crossover 
Double standards for sure
Yeah they were looking at each other real close in the eyes lol , I’m not saying this season I hope it doesn’t happen next season is what I mean
Oh they’re actually killing Igaram
Well I hope you're right.
Dragon being Tornadus would be so epic
What if he has wind haki
I would not be entirely opposed to it if it could keep Hancock away from Luffy
They killed ms Friday and mr13 and mr9 and miss Wednesday too
All dead
A lot better than my original idea
By the time the series gets to the final war, Superman will be fair use so GOATby will get the hito-hito no mi model Superman
One of the main conditions for LA was no romance between the crew and Vivi is straw hat in this season
Okay good
Toei about to have Goku wreck superman in a feature film
My feed was full of people shipping Robin and Zoro
LA has so many dead characters now I’m sure it’s making Oda jealous
I mean I do like LuVi even before LA anyways, I just accepted the fact it won’t be canon but Vivi and Luffy having that much of good chemistry is also in the manga too.
Incorrect Zoro ship.
He only has one true ship
Yep. Luffy and Vivi are my favorite Luffy relationship (not romantic)
Franky x Robin is the only crew mate romance I accept
Sanji x Zoro is real!
Like come on even the popularity votes made it clear that she is technically a straw hat (a former member but still a member)
Frobin is also great
No…
The hair guns lmao
No it’s not
Do they have Zoro swords?
Just cause a woman fondled your balls once doesn’t mean that’s the one you’re gonna marry
Important oda life lesson
ZoSan mentioned
Ma, ma, MAAAA
Ok tbf that was very inappropriate for Robin to do
Yes they do but each to their own
I love that the popularity poll included her like that
Shes a roach
Kill her NOW
yeah , but good on Franky for not leaning into it
got his balls broken and still dumped for a blue fish dude life is not good for franky
Big mom and kaido vs robin and Franky motorcycle fight
shes a silly girl who likes borgir
I mean Franky probably neutered himself specifically because of that
chill on her
The thought of Robin being with Franky or Jinbei disgusts me to no end
It makes me shiver
💀 holy shit why is this so believable , he MODDED HIS BODY AFTER
Sabo?
koala is right there
Yeah notice how this happened before he completely redone his body again
#Nooticing
Franky can’t be stopped now
Yeah people tried to argue that Vivi isn’t different than the likes of Momo or even Carrot yet she is the only one who gets this treatment and they double it down even more.
Hell even in LA the scene with her file labeled her as straw hat too.
Literally no weakness
"franky"'
No one
why does vivi have a passport 😭
LA fixing the story
Damn you want robin to die alone harsh
why are you deadnaming him
More like... Crocport....
Tbh
Listen man blame Lucci
She’ll die with the strawhats she just won’t be screwing them
And hes coked up 80% of the time
Robin x BB is a thing now
Vivi also considered a straw hat in the manga too especially with mark of fellow ship
Blackrobin is a better ship than Frobin
Black Robin tho 😍
That’s not a password 😭
robin x law is a good ship
I mean....
Shit even Blackcock is a better ship than Frobin
Robin x Alabasta Sun was the best ship
the merry was a good ship
Damn that's actually awesome
No body watches top t?
Its really cool how unintentionally well this goes together.
There discussing kaido being stronger than black beard on God valley like bb now
Robing and BB are the real master minds
They will be the main strategists
robin cried more for kanjuro's dragon he drew than for the merry
Bb isn’t a mastermind just a board flipper and keeper of the falling pieces

I guess you could call that a mastermind too….
Mfw I lack whimsy
Survived like what 6 arcs?
he's really good at trapping people. i'd honestly call him a master baiter personally
Bait used to be believable

What happen to ryonuske emoji
He certainly loves to bait…
Nah, Akainu was truly the master baiter since it ended up with him fisting Ace
I mean wise beared says it all
Y'all remember when the chat was just wise beard
Remember when they deleted it and the server went into a full revolt to get it back as an emoji?

Ah Rosy I love 
Legends come and go…
“Show me your feet” ahh face
What happen to the obsession with feet on the server?
I didn’t care very much when merry died
arsal got promoted and the joke got a little too real
It died when the strawman died
I already forgot his name
Lowkey I don’t think there’s any one piece death that really hit me
WTF
oh you mean the ship
yeah bum ass ship
Hawking?
There’s been a couple for me
Yall just don’t GET one piece
Smh
Corazon had me sobbing
FAMILY GUY
hopefully next chapter reignites my love for one piece
Lowkey felt something for Ida despite me talking shit about her 24/7
That’s maybe the only one
same
hawktuah
family guy is a lot funnier than one piece. one piece needs more cutaways.
You were gaslit into feeling something for her
But she grew on me
We gaslit you
Ida being killed was rough
family guy s2ep17 ||stewie got me dying bruh i can't believe he did that to brian||
She was the most beautiful
Alright let’s not get ahead of ourselves
!os3
The only thing that made me cry in the whole series was Binks’s Sake in Thriller Bark
You just don't understand
Freckles are peak
Other stuff got me close
I couldn’t cry to that cause I couldn’t hear the music

She had a homely look about her
I cried when I watched it in the anime with my dad after reading through the manga
Ok that’s peak
What y'all want Astrid's Anciant giant ass!?!?
It’s ok to say she’s ugly. I won’t hurt you.
isn't that the girl from how to train your dragon
Estrid produced a goat, Ida produced Hajrudin ☠️
What's lokis bum ass momm
Lol I mean lokis bum ass mom.
Nice?
Eatrid yeah! Idk I was thinking of the office lol
Everybody loves to be a troll these days
Doesn’t count
The rocks part lowkey made me forget about Estrid for a while
That was some obnoxious discourse
i could never forget ugly ass baby loki
Baby Loki with the kind eyes
I get it you like Devon
Don’t get me started
I always knew you were Devon fan!
Really…don’t
Devon fans before talking about her be like
And then Rokaya was trying to gaslight me into thinking Lola wasn’t ugly
Those were some harsh times
He’s looking for someone ugly asf with a good heart like his adopted mom
Yeah it’s kinda crazy how that was never explained
Someday I’m sure…
That was like the one thing I expected to be explained going into the flashback
Probably in SBS
It’s too mysterious like shanks vs loki
Im pretty sure that's Loki hybrid form
Ain’t no way lol
He must have multiple hybrids then
Like killingham
Shit that actually makes a ton of sense
Have you seen the live action carving?
You mean like the old sillouhette being it, right? Just to make sure we’re on the same page
Why does his hybrid form make him look dumb as fuck then
She’s not
I mean that would be dope I mean Luffy does
Yeah , to make sense of it , I figure that’s them mocking Loki
Because rn he should be seen as a villain by them
loki is fucking stupid
Or something
Well maybe like they Loki cus he's like then and Harold as kids
She has giant features , she just lacks a giant body , those lips would be great on a larger face
💀
Like they have t been to elbaf in for ever they might be like oy young Loki you the spinach image of me and dory and your paapey
Wait I see his vision now
Did he fumble
She's ugly but she sister is cute

she has chungus features
Those are giant lips they need a giant body
Loki has bad eyesight too
So it makes sense
Anyways I was luck that I haven’t fully spoiled yet besides what worst gen maybe had said but i don’t believe him lmao, already blocked his ass anyways
😭😭
You think kuri ove mato?
Learned my lesson for not falling for his bullshit
What happen?
worstgen is famously known for always speaking the truth
where's the u
"Zoro does something this chapter that's big" vs nothing happening
It would be funny if they were his kids but wasn't he like 16 when they were born ?.
Hey man! Hope you’re doing well 😊 just wanted you to know the hints stuff is lame as hell! I know you gotta do the engagement bait cause you’re jobless as fuck but we only want the spoilers! Hope this helps ✨😊 🫶 with yo lame ass
Can you send that to worstgen for me
I don’t use Twitter anymore
Holy crap
I gotta find this interview
Oda says Luffy basicly does wtf he wants in the manga meaning he writing Luffy off the dome or some shit
he's been gassing loki every time he blinks ever since the guy showed up
pretty sure he was gassing him up for sleeping alongside luffy
tf did meeks do to you
lol i also initially read that as mega hostile but its for worstgen not meeks
The way I share the same sentiment too 😭
Had to be done
Lmaoooo last chapter was too damn far
“WANNNJIIIII” nigga smd
chapter soon we are all pumped
we all love one pice so much it's insane
the lash is interested in this next chapter
I’m actually in love with OP
The Lash love ones piece so fucking much
What bro
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Set Nami up and neglected Jinbe is my final straw
he gotta ask caesar for permission first
!lalaluli
Nah fr he’s bad at this
nami and zeus probably could've put out the fire if killingham didn't interrupt, kinda sad that that moment got stolen from them
hope they get something more later
when jinbe puts out a fire its linbe the firefighter but when nami does it's a big moment
final straw
I don't slander jinbe for putting out fires lol
straw hat
he did good earlier when he saved the sun realm village
the real good moments arent in fights anyway
the 11/10 next chapter would be "and much fighting occured but our heroes won" and it flashes forward to everyone looking at the mural
The one piece is a camel and the straw hat is the straw that breaks the camels back
he's also a lot stronger than nami though and more adept at controlling water, so it doesn't feel as significant
lashes the camel from arubarna....
I was always suspicious of that fucker
Me neither but one piece ran out a way to slander him
Yeah and not the first time he had done this either with the Gunko chapter setting up Usopp too
Maybe there is the mysterious voice that people kept bringing up when Nami first woke up on Elbaf
Usopp’s Haki
When usopp said he mentally compelled the monsters we can see him in the next page thinking he actually did it
I bet he’s gonna learn hiw to project his Voice
In his panic of waking up in the cats mouth, he had a “bloom”
Did it unknowingly
Maybe although it could also possibly Mosa too maybe
Or it’s just Zeus
what's gonna be the next arc final war or somthing else?
mosa and zeus have 4 letters
just like loki
zoro
nami
and vira
this is not a coincidence
probably something revolved around finding Vivu
@dapper tree Im sure theres plenty of small things that could be changed but since you mentioned power tier lists I made my own
top powerscaler
akainu is 3 tiers too low
well see
I just put on the ones I find interested
you wont see dead wb or anything
I get that
Move up Ragnir two tiers, luffy 1 tier, and then put sanji next to zoro and then this list is acceptable
Adam that is insane
Ragnir > Harald before DR is a fact, which i assume is the Harald being ranked
Insane
does left to right position matter?
I mean like I said some things could be sloightly off but yes I tried to rank it left to right as well
I am of the opinion he just doubted himself and never tried
which part
Ridiculous by the way
ragnir
but that if he had tried he wouldve beaten ragnir
Ragnir has to like you too
Luffy I cannot in good conscious put in the higher tier just because of how he looked worse than kizaru in their fight, but I did opreviously have luffy in the tier above that
not just beat ragnir
I also want sanji next to zoro but I fear oda makes it so hard to put sanji above someone like king
Luffy is too bad at his power to be top tier yet, always exhausting himself unnecessarily
That spot probably makes sense
yea like you just cant ignore the stamina thing
he tied kizaru, and thats honestly being generous. Kizaru we know is indicated to have gotten up
so its hard for me to putt luffy any higher until the next powerup
"but with the strength i now possess"
Y'all are the ones making the bigger assumption
It's a reasonable assumption, but do I think it's the best one? No
Admirals are just a bit underrated I fear. I think luffy is stronger than them but their experience continues to elevate them
For the record, I don't believe Loki beat Ragnir. In fact, Loki would have lost if they had kept fighting
i just think ragnir needs to also like the person it chooses
its not all a strength thing
Although I think we're clearly shown old Garp is stronger than Kuzan but we don't need to rehash that argument for the 1000th time
I think its a strength thing, I think harald just didnt ever try so he overestimated the squirrel
woulda still been very hard, but he couldve done it
I think he also could have beat the squairrel but ragnir would not have liked him anyway so he would respect ragnir and not take the fruit
respect for tradition and whatnot
Harald is under the assumption Loki wont be strong enough to be Ragnir
hey I can buy that harald just doesnt realize hes stronger than every previous elbaf king lol
so hes just like damn yea if they couldnt I probably cant either
and he never had that much of a desire to anyway
why they give Usopp the chicken sandwich
Bogard sisters....
The Sanji set is so dumb
Bro give ne the Zoro combo
Missed chance to give zoro the extra fry
break week over yet?
not even the author completed one piece tho
yea
since we got spoilers the chapter should be dropping sometime on thursday or friday
Their Awakenings will swing them back up
for kuzan and akainu they most likely have awakenings
kizaru is a hard maybe, with his outburst there definetely gotta be more for his story
but i don't see it in the cards for fuji and gb
kizarus role in everything is interesting
i can see Fuji awakening, not for any in-universe reason, but just so Oda could have an admiral be awakened while figuring out how he wants logia awakenings to work before he awakens any other admirals
do you really think that the gravity fruit would be easier to make awakened than a normal logia?
probably wont happen cuz what are the chances oda specifically goes this route: but I really like the idea of akainu being in a situation where hes about to die for his cause or whatever, and kizaru just flies in and takes him away. They go live on some empty island now that the world has changed, not bothering anybody
bro who tf gets tea with burgers and fries
what would it do
Butttt, idk what kizaru does before that
yes
i think it would let you assign parts of the environment as gravitational centers
like how Kid could assign magnetic poles with his awakening
Boo, I scared you 😱 😨
i cried
Oh yeahh
interesting
just think it would be a very sweet way toe nd their story tbh
guys who were on the wrong side of history but not quite the evil enemies
@scarlet nacelle
but they realize theyve done too much bad, so they gotta isolate at that point
i can see that
Yay 🥳
I think the admirals have been forced to hold back their awakenings becausw they keep ending up in situations where they can’t destroy the environment
ngl the way i could see it going down is kizaru trying this but akainu adamantly refusing
kizaru shows signs of someone who could change but akainu to me is just to far gone. not even because he believes the government. but because his sheer seething hatred doesn't allow him peace. no matter what he wants to exterminate those he sees as wrong
regardless of his morality
I guess thats an option too
I think in my head it plays out that way cuz akainu would be near death or something
like whoever hes fighting is gonna kill him if it continues, so maybe kizaru (who in this scenario is a bit less injured) cna just swoop in and drag him away
it could go like youre saying as well where kizaru pleads with him to stop or something, and he keeps going due to his determination or whatever
but Id like to see something like that
logia awakenings will never exist

Boi
if anything, just a permanent change
even then, already seems possible due to akainu and kuzan fight with punk haard, i always figured thats just the aftermath of an all out base logia fight
I mean I rlly wouldnt assume that
its admirals and if top tiers could ever get stronger from a fight that woulda been it
I think thats probably a thing because of their awakening
thjat could be awakening tho
oda will just say they had awakening all that long just like everyone had haki all that long
hes just a hack like that
all along
anyway you got the idea
I wouldnt say there was plenty of chances
there wasnt chances where it needed to be mentioned
anither reason i think they dont awaken is cause it ties into vegapunk not being able to replicate them
it would make sense
like hey jinbe mentions the fight, you dont need to mention that it happened cuz of awakening
if he didnt have to worry about making it so they can awaken that sounds like it would just make it easier to create
What’s Law’s and Kid’s Awakenings do again?
That isn’t all there is to Paramecia Awakening
And these are an entirely different category
but perhaps theres some kind of already overowered aspect to them that stops them from being replicated and stops them from awakening because theyre already at a "max" level, vegapunk saying that could be a natural in universe method of controlling an extremely overpowered function in the world
for the author
like limiting something already at a max level
Blackbeard may get the first logia awakening
Though that would be kind of lame
Since his logia is atypical. So it doesn’t help as much getting a good idea for the others.
I just think thats too far of a reach to really be an argument in favor of them not having awakening. Like sure I guess oda could spin it that way, but its easier to conclude that vegapunk would have a harder time replicating something with an awakening than something without.
So I just dont rlly see the value in the idea until something points towards that being the case
Im fine if they cant awaken tho
but I think its just permanent change, and that woulda been exactly what aokiji and akainu did
does make you think what a kizaru awakening looks like but we'd just like never see that or its the enies lobby theory ig
right, youre talking about extra powers with paramecia awakening abilities, if its something like nature i could see that already being possible at base, such as if dragon had a wind logia and could "control weather", thats possible to do with fluctuatuions of the wind already, no awakening needed
This is lame as hell bro
its already been happening
This pushing that after all the build up they have no Awakening
You’re never gonna sell that
logia already function at a max level
thats why theyre hard to replicate and cant awaken
you cant go past 100%
imo anyway
im sure kizaru can leave little light bulbs wherever he wants tbh
i mean according to yall, youve already seen it
I think "function at a max level" wouldnt rlly make sense for why you cant replicate it. You can replicate fruits to max level anyway. if it was that vegapunk could replicate fruits but not the awakenings sure
looks like normal logia stuff to me
but presumably his fruits can awaken too
seems more like the issue would be the intangibility and natural thing
its harder to manipulate a highly radioactive object rather than a stable one , like that
how many times have yu guys caught up to manga?
what that gotta do with "function at max level"
youre saying he can make fruits at max level anyway
if his fruits can awaken
like i bet vp cant replicate ANY awakening
I mean
thats what it has to do with it
I think they would have said something if they couldnt awaken
i think they would have said sometbing if logias we saw were already awakened
i could play that game too hehe
Yea I think thats just not the same thing lol
If vegapunk is discussing his fruits
and saying theyre exact replicas and whatnot and his only failure is not being able to do logias
thats more of the moment where if his fruits couldnt awaken you should acknowledge that
theres been no time where it was necessary to mention anything about a logia awakening. You can come up with a time where maybe you could fit it in, but its not going to be necessary
we cant say that because oda spent half the series without saying people had haki
I don’t think so
then that could be the case for what vp excluded to say as well
PH was the result of water flowing in and being affected by the temperature
PH does give us an idea that the awakening will be immense becausw the base potential is immense
That lines up with the rest of the admirals appearances
I find the “strongest class of devil fruits” being unable to awaken is rather silly
i mean that notion is really fucking old
before mythical zoans were as prominent as they are and most likely outdating the first thought of awakening
Nothing contradicts it
And I’m talking about the 3 classes not just a subset of a class. The strongest class not having access to higher level abilities is just kinda dumb.
logia awakenings would really have to wow me...if its just PH we saw that over a decade ago im not that impressed im already used to it
ur a shiki fan don't play hard to get
i just feel like its probably impossible
i know theres like a bias to the events of the story right
but akainu is 55 years old. Hes had 20-30 years to awaken most likely. Kuzan is 49. Croc is 46
is it really the case that in these decades of use, hard battles, etc none of the logias have awakened?
and it can only happen in this 2 year window where the story takes place?
if kuzan and akainu didnt awaken in their fight almost to the death that transformed an entire island and was over a goal that was very important to both of them, its just not gonna happen
Talking bout Croc in '26 🥀
Oda forgot bout him gng
lol i believe
but you get what im saying right? All these lives have been filled with plenty of opportunities to awaken that just so happened to not take place in our 2 year story window and we've never heard of it
and i think vegapunk calling out that logias are weird from the science perspective increases the odds that they just cant awaken
Croc awakens or we riot
Mf already had mastery over his fruit in Alabasta and Kaku awakened after 2 years at most don't play with me
i highly doubt kuzan has awakening back in Punkhazard
surely he would have used it vs garp
i can only cope akainu or aramaki has awakening
thats exactly my point though
we have these lifetimes that should have already produced an awakening if a logia awakening is possible
Nah, cause like he said his heart wasn't in it plus they were jumping him
Kidds awakening is interesting. He doesn't make the environment magnetic but rather big mom herself bypassing the normal haki immunity. Laws awakening also seemed to get through her defenses and impact her albeit he could only use his non hax powers like wet willy
Could an awakened logia be capable of turning their enemies to their element? Or if thats not possible then perhaps they can generate their element from nothing as opposed to it originating from their body
Are you really shiki fan?
Every sane person should be
👀
It does turn the environment into magnetic, its just that kidd has to assign them
If you awaken the environment doesn't automatically turn to df, the user has to do it manually. In kidds case he has to touch it which is ehh
We will probably never see logia awakening
Can logia users add haki to their elements?
i would assume so
its their body
and even in cases where they make projectiles, the kuja/yassop/beckman have haki projectiles
This is what I was thinking too
It's also interesting to think that before he was reclassed as a special paramecia, Kata as a logia was coating himself in armament
But his circumstances are so unique that it doesn't bear any weight on the actual question as it relates to other logias
Awakened Logia is probably what led to punk hazard being that way
And Raijin island
Permanently altering the weather around an area @shadow python
I do think that's what happened to long ring long land
But when it comes to elemental effects like raijin island I'm more willing to believe it's just natural and weird
Yeah it could be just sucky weather there
or
Awakened goro goro from long time back
I just think if that was the thing it would maybe be called out when describing what happened to punk hazard
Although I don't remember the context of that description it's possible the speaker didn't have expertise or inclination to make that point
i forgot which character mentioned kuzan and akainu changing the climate
If it's ceaser I think he would say awaken. If it's law maybe.
jinbe was the first one to inform em
Hm but when does the permanent effect on the climate come up
Smoker says it in chapter 658
Hm not really conclusive
I Don't think smoker is guaranteed to have brought up awakening but he might have
No we don't have confirmation it was awakening specifically that did it
But we know it happened 2 years ago only
And we know 2 top tier logias fought
Closest people who would have awakened their logia DFs
Yeah I'm wondering does the absence of acknowledging either of them are awakened imply that logia just can't awaken
Cause if any logia should be awakened, it's them
When did Law awaken? Last week in dressrosa he didnt even know awakening was a thing but by Wano he already knew how to do it and had a whole array of new techniques for it
Perhaps during the one week they trained on wano just before raiding onigashima
It’s like a month between Dressrosa and Wano
They spent about two weeks training in Wano
The reverie is 5 days right? The reverie started shortly post Dressrosa and ended a few days before Kaido was defeated
He presumably woulda awakened during the doffy fight then realized and developed techniques afterwards
Idt he awakened in random low stakes training that's not really how it works
There was a point where Law and Doffy were off screen but if Law had awakened there i would think he'd have used it over gamma knife when he had his free shot
Well he didn't know his new tricks yet
Like you still gotta practice and learn after the switch is flipped
Lucci and Kaku awakened sometime somewhere in 2 years too
Aokiji was hiding from akainu all the time and it took akainu 10 days to find him
the fire and snow just happened randomly it was unrelated to the fight
it was global warming
You gotta align your body and mind to it too. I don't think awakenening happen in just brutal fights, or Kaido would've awakened long back too, right
Theres a spiritual touch to awakening too
Monet sounds like money
Kuzan was such a baby. They chose Akainu over him and so he threw a hissy fit challenged Akainu into a fight during the most turbulent time since probably the dawn of the age of pirates, loses said fight and then quits the marines to be a pirate

Katakuri doesnt seem to fight often or at the very least hasnt been punched in years which leads me to think he either awakened his fruit quite awhile ago (being the only awakened commander in the world for probably a decade) or he mastered his fruit without ever being challenged
Brook had his fruit for over 50 years and did nothing with it until the timeskip
Kaku mastered his fruit in less than 2
awakening is so weird it feels arbitrary lol
with the one exception of luffy who had to actually die for it
law and kid talk about it like they just picked it up one day
Just gotta see Loki's awakening now
Already have
Loki actually had awakening the first time he used it to kill his dad. He’s just like that
Yeah but akainu is aligned to magma all his life
Wait.
He's a walking volcano of anger
There aren't any idk if there can't be any
I thought they kidna explained that they eat reptiles because they can't be Minks or something g
Oh maybe idk
Well hold on I have one step further
pretty sure all minks are mammals/hairy
Could this be dragon reference?
Like there enemies are reptilian dragons or crap is oda getting into space lore with reptilian aliens 🤣
Dinosaurs are prehistoric
Yeah but magma is pretty destructive and even though Sakazuki can be explosive at times, his philosophy is meant to maintain order. That’s the inherent disconnect with his fruit. Or something like that
Well to be fair Law and Kidd are Paramecia fruit users while Luffy is mythical Zoan user so perhaps the awakening method is different for each type of fruit ?
Metal god jika and operation god lawka
I think we're in fuzzy territory trying to determine the philosophy of magma. It also creates new land which could be interpreted as an act of order
Kid is one thing, but Law was basically on the crew and still got the off screen training treatment for what’s supposedly one of the most time consuming types of powerups. Like we didn’t see him for 2 weeks and he busted that out
dam chat dead fr
Only furry mammals
I forget about that whole aspect of minks tbh
I tried to disconnect furrys from minks 🤣
aspect of WHAT
Lmao typo I swear!!!
I want to believe you
In the context of one pieve volcanoes symbolize rebirth and only erupt in conjunction with great change or the repetition of a cycle the magma fruit bears the will of rebirth and wakainu is the forest god
a reptile race would be cool
👀
Celtrial reptilians
Does momo have the ushi ushi no me model pinku Ryu or is he shiny kaido
shiny kaido
made by PKMgens
ushi = bovine-like animal, usually on hooved creatures. Cow, bison, ox, giraffe.
chapter tomorrow btw
trust in meek
Uo uo * sorry
So bonney and Kuma are a huge terminator reference
yall excited fr chapter?
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Chapapa
Chippy vs Franky
How come shanks and buggy get younger as we get further into the story via flash backs 🤣
They were drinking in chapter 19
But they were like 13
Than in ed war they look older but than Oden flash back they are kids lol
https://fixupx.com/guernicass4/status/2033838045028618248
looks gorgeous
"joy boy"
yall excited for chapter?
unless it's brook low-diffing imu, no
vote of the day
the only spoilers I look at weekly are the pics/gifs
I never read any chapter summary or anything, I like trying to figure out things via them
The only spoiler I look at is the one on my car
(I’ve been meaning to remove it actually I just never have)
the only spoilers I look at are the mysterious gifs, the chapter summaries, and the raws
The only spoilers I look at are the strays I'm deleting in the manga channels
The only spoilers I look at are strays in tbe manga channels thigh fails to delete because he sucks
I leave them out especially for you 
Ulti spotted
DLSS 5 ON
is that Nick Cage
Why is this a meme lol
I remember us arguing about Ulti vs Katakuri a lot
Was that a wider fandom debate?
idr i just found it randomly and it was funny
Yes
Oh lmao it's literally just Shanks LA, idk why i thought it was a different actor
lol
A lot of people claim ulti beats katakuri
people who dont understand narrative
Wasn't he taking care of the birds too on the island he was sent by Kuma?
Actually does taking care of a Mink count as vet work anyway
Yeah
I don’t think there’s a meaningful difference between veterinarian and doctor in one piece
curing every disease probably encompasses animals too
If we’re trying to apply strict labels then Chopper is a pharmacologist
But he also does surgery so that falls apart too
screw it, let's develop a new word for it
Until he gets a buff, that’s the portrayal
Ulti was boxing Luffy when he could tank a Thunder Bagua in base
Luffy beat Katakuri when he was one shottable by TB in G4
Pretty simple logic
He IS medicine
Katakuri gon use future sight and just see himself being physically unable to stop Ulti from blitzing him
Just like Enel watched his ass whooping coming at the end
He could not tank a thunder bagua
Katakuri is not getting blitzed by Ulti
Alright bruh whatever you read
I don’t see what logic says he can physically keep up with her
I read the manga not sure what other sources there are
Katakuri dodged Snakeman attacks, wdym, he dodged Black Mamba attacks
And then Luffy got way faster
The whole point of Udon was that Luffy left several times stronger
We see that with him being able to block a Thunder Bagua in base when he couldn't in G4 before
Luffy is legit eclipsing the strength he beat Katakuri with
I don't mean strength as in raw power
I'm sauing left physically superior than he went into it by several times
He physically could not handle a TB coming at him whatsoever when he fought Kaido in Kuri
Base Luffy is able to react to it and gaurd himself by the time he got to Onigashima
In Udon, luffy says doing the hard labor while weakened by the cuffs will make him several times stronger
Post Udon base Luffy is not faster than Snakeman Luffy
By the time Luffy got to Onigashima, we can see his physical capabilities in base has exceeded what he was previously capable of with G4 at the time he beat Katakuri
He couldn't raise a guard to Kaido in G4, but could do so in base
Even if his speed didn't raise above what Snake Man did previously, it's still shown to us that Luffy is on an entirely different level than ebfore
Before*
Ulti was pushing him to become serious like Katakuri was, but Katakuri did that on a lower level. That suggests Ulti is on another level to Katakuri
Katakuri just looks really bad until he gets an upscale
People are way too powerscaling brained it’s ridiculous. As if Oda would have Big mom’s lieutenant lose to Kaido’s what number 6?
exactly
I always hated when people would argue this
Whoever the story needed to win would win. That's the only real powerscaling
there is genuinely no world wherre Oda is drawing kaido vs big mom and he has katakuri losing to ulti but people try so hard to be smart and "just follow feats"
oh brother
Wait you guys are arguing it again?
There is no argument to be had
Agreed
I can also block a thunder bagua in base
- People who strive to be incurious at all times
the only time narrative matters to powerscaling is when something that makes a character look bad was due to the story being told
like kizaru in egghead
truke
you can compartmentalize
exhibit A over here
Katakuri is pretty obviously gonna get upscaled if he returns to the story cause he'd need to be
You know it freshy 😎💅
But it's also just true that right now, his portrayal doesn't match Ulti's
I wouldnt even really call it a jump in power. The feats would just look better than before. But at the end of the day feats are often not portrayed perfectly and can be misinterpreted
I agree
Luffy getting one shot in his strongest form at the start of Wano and being blitzed at that just makes Katakuri's level look smaller than what the rest of Wano ended up being
Ulti vs Kata is a perfect example to show that you cant just follow feats
That being said I have to remind myself my opinion on this fight
that makes no sense
LETS GO!! You got this Chippy!! 
Im pretty sure I decided Ulti tho
what doesn't?
People that just look at feats and nothing else just aren’t worth speaking to.
if you just follow feats and find yourself saying ulti>katakuri, that should be your sign that your conclusion based on the feats is flawed
Katakuri BM’s numero 2 or 3 (depending how you see perospero) losing to Kaido’s numero seis
Oh that doesn't matter for a 1 v 1 scenario
If you're talking about Emperor vs Emperor going head to head, the Big Mom pirates have far superior coordination, networking, and teamwork
genuinely what feats does ulti have over kata
The beast pirates actively eat each other within battle
Katakuri being a lower level than Kaido's number 2 wouldn't matter in an all out war
True
they have a whole navy
and operational procedures
they are very organized minus the wildcard that is BM
Their worldwide network is also far superior too
Purely on feats Zoro is lowkey no diffing Mihawk
Big Mom probably has way more allies
I do think Ulti has better durability and strength probably
Kaido's core crew being stronger than the charlotte family makes perfectly viable sense
But Kata's DF and Future Sight gives him the edge
Let me add this to my Zoro yonko level agenda 
over katakuri?😭
They're a meritocracy that fosters strength over everything
ulti can have more durability thats fine
True
as far as we know, Kaido only had his own crew, Wano, Doffys crew, Hanafuda and Scotch 😭
them being an army with more raw power checks out
shes still not coming close to winning
The charlotte family has a way better spread
And, again, the beast pirates actively kill each other too
I’m not buying anyone but King beating Katakuri i don’t care

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