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ruby cape
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haki

mighty shell
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happened in [REDACTED FOR OTHER SERIES SPOILER] and it was peak

hazy turret
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Talk about out of touch

native seal
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y'all reckon we just go to void century flashback and see people roaming around with mobile phones

runic dock
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Did my pictures of my white hands give it away?

ruby moat
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There will be crazy tech stuff yea

runic dock
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You can’t say that when you already know

stone tulip
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He was presented with the auditions netflix had chose

deep chasm
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@leaden rivet he confirmed he was trolling jsyk

hazy turret
runic dock
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Everything else I’m serious

leaden rivet
deep chasm
stone tulip
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Yeah I like this actually

runic dock
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His mom also got turned into a character , in the newspapers

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Barbara Troy is seen in the newspapers

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As long as Randy Troy stays I’m okay with Matt owens leaving if he has to go

stone tulip
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The problem is that the ethnicity is still somewhat accurate with Luffy cause Iñaki is Latino, meanwhile Vivi isn’t even accurate to ethnicity at all, like sure she didn’t have to be played by Egyptian but it could have been anyone else form SWANA reigon would have have been fine yet they didn’t even both that cause we all know the reason why with Netflix but that would end up going into political area.

leaden rivet
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Pink this has already been explained to him.

runic dock
spice cairn
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Can you guess what chapter this is from

stone tulip
runic dock
stone tulip
native seal
runic dock
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It’s like oil and water CrocoStare

spice cairn
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It should've been 66

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Given Germa

native seal
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I was so excited to answer

spice cairn
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But Oda sucks at writing his own story

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The praise is empty when he couldn't even make 66 the All Blue chapter

hazy turret
spice cairn
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Now we have it 67

native seal
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that would have been crazy foreshadowing

stone tulip
runic dock
spice cairn
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Going to be real guys

stone tulip
spice cairn
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Theyre stopping this at Enies Lobby

leaden rivet
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Dressrosa is getting skipped for sureeeee

spice cairn
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Marineford if we are being generous

leaden rivet
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If they ever get that far

runic dock
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Especially if ace is involved

stone tulip
hasty sable
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Zoro whiskey peak fight in live action is actually so cool

wraith mantle
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lowkey i am looking forward to learn more about joyboy, hope oda doesnt drop the ball

leaden rivet
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It’s going fish man island and then straight to Wano

spice cairn
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And then Bonney will be in OPLA Wano

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Throw some Egghead in there

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Like Vegapunk dies in Wano

leaden rivet
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Gear 5 would be so unbelievably ass

ruby moat
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has s4 been confirmed

spice cairn
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Yes.

leaden rivet
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I don’t even want to imagine it

spice cairn
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Dude theyre already working on 3

leaden rivet
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Oh Sak

deep chasm
hazy turret
hasty sable
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Season 3 is confirmed not sure about 4

ruby moat
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ik 3 is in progress

sacred sail
leaden rivet
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No one caught the pun

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Oh well

mighty shell
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watch them skip skypeia

wraith mantle
hasty sable
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Need them to make it to Enies Lobby

leaden rivet
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Did you watch the LA Sak

ruby moat
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but s3 will end with the ending of alabasta most liekly

hazy turret
leaden rivet
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I want your opinion on how fucking stupid dragon looked

native seal
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I only watched the dragon scenes

pulsar path
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I. Hope jaya

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And bb

stone tulip
runic dock
native seal
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bro it's cuz rigo sanchez wasn't allowed to even keep a stubble and was hooded

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I enjoyed the scenes tho

leaden rivet
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Pink I ended up watching the LA and they really were shipping Luffy and Vivi it was kinda weird

leaden rivet
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Like why are they looking at each other like that

blazing depot
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Did you hear Dragon’s actor potentially reveal he has a devil fruit

spice cairn
hasty sable
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Hoping season 3 has a casino episode

spice cairn
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Because I feel like this has been a given for decades

runic dock
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He’s using wind to carry smoker away

native seal
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this devil fruit reveal thing is funny but of course it's blown out of proportion cause people thought dragon magically created wind by farting

runic dock
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Specifically on smoker

sacred sail
thin quest
spice cairn
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I think its a weather zoan

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Personally.

hazy turret
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What’s wrong with that

leaden rivet
ruby moat
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storm paramecia would be sick

hazy turret
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Passing wind

stone tulip
runic dock
sacred sail
native seal
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pack it up unique paramecias are things of the past if we want a unique fruit it would be a logia

thin quest
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I would love Dragon to just be an air logia, which in turn would give him weather control

runic dock
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Aw fuck lol

ruby moat
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gunkos is unique

thick mango
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who should get kid's fruit if hes gone?

wraith mantle
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killingham's is unique

spice cairn
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And this isnt even just a Pokemon thing. Its an actual deity

runic dock
leaden rivet
blazing depot
thin quest
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I'm getting really tired of Zoan Piece

ruby moat
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killing is zoan

runic dock
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Hopefully it’s just a wind logia

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That’s plenty versatile

thick mango
spice cairn
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Dragon has the Fujin Mythical Zoan

hazy turret
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Air logia

leaden rivet
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Wind logia or storm mythical zoan

warm fossil
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mihawk top 1'

runic dock
spice cairn
thin quest
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yeah Air Logia would be the most cool given the things Dragon has said

native seal
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it's the quetzalcoatl mythical df

sacred sail
hasty sable
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I hope Zoro hallucinating Mihawk during fights stays a thing

warm fossil
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if dragon is a zoan I'm dropping

spice cairn
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Who wins

leaden rivet
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Dragon making a air scooter would be cool

native seal
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Quetzalcoatl slams

thin quest
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OPLA isn't perfect but I think they're doing a great job of capturing the silly and fun vibes

sacred sail
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The mark on Dragon’s face will be purely because he thought it looked cool, I guarantee it

spice cairn
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If Enel can be Raijin, Dragon is Fujin

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It just makes sense.

native seal
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fuck the df part I'm ever so curious about dragon's marks bro what does it mean

hasty sable
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I’m really enjoying Season 2. I thought Season 1 was fun but this is a big step up

leaden rivet
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Everyone who’s fruit we don’t know has a mythical zoan

leaden rivet
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Especially HIM

native seal
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only him I know is akainu

sacred sail
leaden rivet
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If only dragon had a dragon mythical zoan

spice cairn
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Wait a minute Fujin already exists

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Are you fucking kidding me

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ODA YOU FUCKING BITCH

stone tulip
hazy turret
native seal
scarlet nacelle
wraith mantle
spice cairn
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They even made Raijin

hasty sable
spice cairn
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Oda you fumbled so hard

hazy turret
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I would’ve thought you’d hate the live action

buoyant comet
scarlet nacelle
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oda just been putting whatever in wano

formal wagon
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oda fans when

stone tulip
spice cairn
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Ok so Dragon isn't a Fujin because theres a literal ninja called Fujin in Wano

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So logia it is...

formal wagon
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luanearlygrave is the best lu ship

sacred sail
stone tulip
wraith mantle
runic dock
pulsar path
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Y'all going to be like STFU but dragon has a wind dragon fruit

runic dock
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No kissing luffy allowed

pulsar path
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Or a storm dragon

ruby moat
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it would be so funny if he had some kind of dragon as his fruit

leaden rivet
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Netflix is not bold enough to introduce the first gay op character

spice cairn
stone tulip
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Absolutely robbed

native seal
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quetzalcoatl wins

pulsar path
spice cairn
stone tulip
pulsar path
ruby moat
wraith mantle
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sharpened my kitchen knife today

spice cairn
wraith mantle
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shit is sharp af now

stone tulip
leaden rivet
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Well yeah OP has lgbtq characters just none of the lg

spice cairn
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This is a whole ass walking mythology reference

native seal
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no matter how many logias are introduced karasu will remain the coolest one

runic dock
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I think they’ll use that in the La G5Laugh

spice cairn
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Down to the air around his shoulders

pulsar path
runic dock
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Bon Kurei is also how the cards spell it

hazy turret
hasty sable
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Zoro hallucinating Mihawk like a Johnny Silverhand situation is such a cool idea

ruby moat
pulsar path
stone tulip
pulsar path
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Dragon turning into storm

ruby moat
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crossover KizaruWHUH

stone tulip
runic dock
hasty sable
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Oh they’re actually killing Igaram

ruby flume
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He’s the litteral winds of change

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Duh

spice cairn
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Dragon being Tornadus would be so epic

pulsar path
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What if he has wind haki

leaden rivet
spice cairn
runic dock
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All dead

spice cairn
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A lot better than my original idea

sacred sail
stone tulip
pulsar path
leaden rivet
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My feed was full of people shipping Robin and Zoro

runic dock
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LA has so many dead characters now I’m sure it’s making Oda jealous

stone tulip
pulsar path
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He only has one true ship

leaden rivet
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Yep. Luffy and Vivi are my favorite Luffy relationship (not romantic)

sacred sail
pulsar path
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Sanji x Zoro is real!

spice cairn
stone tulip
# runic dock Okay good

Like come on even the popularity votes made it clear that she is technically a straw hat (a former member but still a member)

stone tulip
leaden rivet
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No…

hasty sable
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The hair guns lmao

leaden rivet
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No it’s not

pulsar path
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Do they have Zoro swords?

runic dock
hasty sable
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And the dramatic music

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I love this

runic dock
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Important oda life lesson

stone tulip
hasty sable
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Ma, ma, MAAAA

spice cairn
stone tulip
runic dock
runic dock
mighty shell
pulsar path
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Big mom and kaido vs robin and Franky motorcycle fight

wraith mantle
spice cairn
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chill on her

leaden rivet
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The thought of Robin being with Franky or Jinbei disgusts me to no end

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It makes me shiver

spice cairn
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Like he realized his balls was an actual weakness

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So he took them away

runic dock
mighty shell
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koala is right there

spice cairn
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#Nooticing

runic dock
stone tulip
runic dock
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Literally no weakness

formal wagon
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"franky"'

leaden rivet
spice cairn
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"Franky"

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You mean Cutty Flam?

formal wagon
pulsar path
mighty shell
spice cairn
pulsar path
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Tbh

spice cairn
leaden rivet
pulsar path
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B b is also an archeologists ...

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Robing x bb

solid mantle
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#manga is dead, what's up people

spice cairn
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Robin x BB is a thing now

stone tulip
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Blackrobin is a better ship than Frobin

pulsar path
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Black Robin tho 😍

stone tulip
wraith mantle
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robin x law is a good ship

spice cairn
leaden rivet
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Shit even Blackcock is a better ship than Frobin

runic dock
pulsar path
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Oh yeah that's righhhhttt

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I forgot toie did that

solid mantle
pulsar path
pulsar path
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No body watches top t?

spice cairn
pulsar path
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There discussing kaido being stronger than black beard on God valley like bb now

pulsar path
spice cairn
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They will be the main strategists

mighty shell
runic dock
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Bb isn’t a mastermind just a board flipper and keeper of the falling pieces

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I guess you could call that a mastermind too….

leaden rivet
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Crying over a ship is lame asf. It’s just wood fr.

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Merry was weak as shit also

runic dock
spice cairn
leaden rivet
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Survived like what 6 arcs?

mighty shell
sacred sail
pulsar path
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What happen to ryonuske emoji

runic dock
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He certainly loves to bait…

sacred sail
pulsar path
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Y'all remember when the chat was just wise beard

leaden rivet
runic dock
pulsar path
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Lmao yes

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The best of days

sacred sail
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Ah Rosy I love BBWise

runic dock
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Legends come and go…

mighty shell
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HawkinsL <- i remember the day this was added

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and they let us spam it

runic dock
pulsar path
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What happen to the obsession with feet on the server?

hazy turret
solid mantle
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I remember the day this was added 👇

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cuz it took like a month

mighty shell
runic dock
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I already forgot his name

leaden rivet
formal wagon
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oh you mean the ship

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yeah bum ass ship

pulsar path
hazy turret
runic dock
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Smh

hazy turret
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Corazon had me sobbing

runic dock
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Hawkins?

formal wagon
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FAMILY GUY

wraith mantle
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hopefully next chapter reignites my love for one piece

leaden rivet
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Lowkey felt something for Ida despite me talking shit about her 24/7

formal wagon
leaden rivet
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That’s maybe the only one

solid mantle
pulsar path
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Yeah Hawkins lol

mighty shell
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hawktuah

formal wagon
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family guy is a lot funnier than one piece. one piece needs more cutaways.

runic dock
leaden rivet
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But she grew on me

runic dock
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We gaslit you

pulsar path
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Ida being killed was rough

mighty shell
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family guy s2ep17 ||stewie got me dying bruh i can't believe he did that to brian||

pulsar path
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She was the most beautiful

leaden rivet
sacred sail
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The only thing that made me cry in the whole series was Binks’s Sake in Thriller Bark

pulsar path
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Freckles are peak

sacred sail
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Other stuff got me close

runic dock
leaden rivet
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Oh right she was beautiful on the inside

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Yeah yeah

runic dock
sacred sail
pulsar path
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What y'all want Astrid's Anciant giant ass!?!?

leaden rivet
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It’s ok to say she’s ugly. I won’t hurt you.

runic dock
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She’s homely af

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I would never say ugly

mighty shell
leaden rivet
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Estrid produced a goat, Ida produced Hajrudin ☠️

pulsar path
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What's lokis bum ass momm

pulsar path
hazy turret
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Calling someone homely is so….

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I’d rather be called a troll tbh

runic dock
pulsar path
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Eatrid yeah! Idk I was thinking of the office lol

runic dock
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Doesn’t count

leaden rivet
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The rocks part lowkey made me forget about Estrid for a while

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That was some obnoxious discourse

mighty shell
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i could never forget ugly ass baby loki

runic dock
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Baby Loki with the kind eyes

pulsar path
leaden rivet
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Don’t get me started

pulsar path
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I always knew you were Devon fan!

leaden rivet
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Really…don’t

runic dock
leaden rivet
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And then Rokaya was trying to gaslight me into thinking Lola wasn’t ugly

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Those were some harsh times

runic dock
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Now SHES ugly

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Not homely at all

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wtf is wrong with loki fr

leaden rivet
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He’s looking for someone ugly asf with a good heart like his adopted mom

runic dock
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Loki didn’t even know her personality

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He just likes that

sacred sail
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Yeah it’s kinda crazy how that was never explained

runic dock
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That was like the one thing I expected to be explained going into the flashback

sacred sail
runic dock
pulsar path
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Im pretty sure that's Loki hybrid form

runic dock
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He must have multiple hybrids then

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Like killingham

sacred sail
pulsar path
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Have you seen the live action carving?

sacred sail
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You mean like the old sillouhette being it, right? Just to make sure we’re on the same page

runic dock
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Why does his hybrid form make him look dumb as fuck then

pulsar path
runic dock
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Because rn he should be seen as a villain by them

formal wagon
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loki is fucking stupid

runic dock
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Or something

pulsar path
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💀

pulsar path
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Like they have t been to elbaf in for ever they might be like oy young Loki you the spinach image of me and dory and your paapey

runic dock
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Wait I see his vision now

frigid gulch
pulsar path
frigid gulch
runic dock
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Those are giant lips they need a giant body

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Loki has bad eyesight too

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So it makes sense

stone tulip
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Anyways I was luck that I haven’t fully spoiled yet besides what worst gen maybe had said but i don’t believe him lmao, already blocked his ass anyways

pulsar path
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Damn. Imagine kata on wano

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Vs Yamato

ornate tartan
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goatkuri

pulsar path
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You think kuri ove mato?

stone tulip
pulsar path
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What happen?

royal orchid
spice cairn
sleek saddle
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where's the u

sleek saddle
pulsar path
# spice cairn

It would be funny if they were his kids but wasn't he like 16 when they were born ?.

grand flower
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Can you send that to worstgen for me

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I don’t use Twitter anymore

pulsar path
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Holy crap

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I gotta find this interview

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Oda says Luffy basicly does wtf he wants in the manga meaning he writing Luffy off the dome or some shit

royal orchid
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pretty sure he was gassing him up for sleeping alongside luffy

thick mango
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lol i also initially read that as mega hostile but its for worstgen not meeks

stone tulip
grand flower
grand flower
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“WANNNJIIIII” nigga smd

barren token
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chapter soon we are all pumped

grand flower
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Yeah I’m pretty pimped

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I can’t wait

barren token
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we all love one pice so much it's insane

royal orchid
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the lash is interested in this next chapter

grand flower
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I’m actually in love with OP

barren token
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The Lash love ones piece so fucking much

grand flower
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What bro

formal wagon
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??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

unique lagoon
stone tulip
dense haven
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!lalaluli

grand flower
celest mauve
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nami and zeus probably could've put out the fire if killingham didn't interrupt, kinda sad that that moment got stolen from them

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hope they get something more later

dense haven
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when jinbe puts out a fire its linbe the firefighter but when nami does it's a big moment

formal wagon
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final straw

celest mauve
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I don't slander jinbe for putting out fires lol

formal wagon
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straw hat

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he did good earlier when he saved the sun realm village

thick mango
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the real good moments arent in fights anyway

formal wagon
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their in the sbs

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they're

thick mango
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the 11/10 next chapter would be "and much fighting occured but our heroes won" and it flashes forward to everyone looking at the mural

ruby moat
celest mauve
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he's also a lot stronger than nami though and more adept at controlling water, so it doesn't feel as significant

formal wagon
ruby moat
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I was always suspicious of that fucker

stone tulip
stone tulip
stone tulip
grand flower
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When usopp said he mentally compelled the monsters we can see him in the next page thinking he actually did it

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I bet he’s gonna learn hiw to project his Voice

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In his panic of waking up in the cats mouth, he had a “bloom”

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Did it unknowingly

stone tulip
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Or it’s just Zeus

west axle
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what's gonna be the next arc final war or somthing else?

formal wagon
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mosa and zeus have 4 letters

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just like loki

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zoro

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nami

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and vira

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this is not a coincidence

tough igloo
deep chasm
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@dapper tree Im sure theres plenty of small things that could be changed but since you mentioned power tier lists I made my own

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top powerscaler

dapper tree
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Oh no

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dead and prime characters

formal wagon
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akainu is 3 tiers too low

deep chasm
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I just put on the ones I find interested

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you wont see dead wb or anything

dapper tree
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I get that

strong wadi
dapper tree
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Adam that is insane

strong wadi
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Ragnir > Harald before DR is a fact, which i assume is the Harald being ranked

dapper tree
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Insane

scarlet nacelle
deep chasm
deep chasm
strong wadi
dapper tree
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ragnir

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but that if he had tried he wouldve beaten ragnir

dapper tree
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Ragnir has to like you too

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Luffy I cannot in good conscious put in the higher tier just because of how he looked worse than kizaru in their fight, but I did opreviously have luffy in the tier above that

dapper tree
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not just beat ragnir

deep chasm
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I also want sanji next to zoro but I fear oda makes it so hard to put sanji above someone like king

signal fiber
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Luffy is too bad at his power to be top tier yet, always exhausting himself unnecessarily

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That spot probably makes sense

deep chasm
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yea like you just cant ignore the stamina thing

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he tied kizaru, and thats honestly being generous. Kizaru we know is indicated to have gotten up

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so its hard for me to putt luffy any higher until the next powerup

strong wadi
# odd rune Ridiculous by the way

"but with the strength i now possess"

Y'all are the ones making the bigger assumption KingShrug It's a reasonable assumption, but do I think it's the best one? No

signal fiber
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Admirals are just a bit underrated I fear. I think luffy is stronger than them but their experience continues to elevate them

strong wadi
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For the record, I don't believe Loki beat Ragnir. In fact, Loki would have lost if they had kept fighting

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i just think ragnir needs to also like the person it chooses

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its not all a strength thing

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Although I think we're clearly shown old Garp is stronger than Kuzan but we don't need to rehash that argument for the 1000th time

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I think its a strength thing, I think harald just didnt ever try so he overestimated the squirrel

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woulda still been very hard, but he couldve done it

dapper tree
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I think he also could have beat the squairrel but ragnir would not have liked him anyway so he would respect ragnir and not take the fruit

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respect for tradition and whatnot

strong wadi
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Harald is under the assumption Loki wont be strong enough to be Ragnir

deep chasm
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hey I can buy that harald just doesnt realize hes stronger than every previous elbaf king lol

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so hes just like damn yea if they couldnt I probably cant either

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and he never had that much of a desire to anyway

spice cairn
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why they give Usopp the chicken sandwich

spice cairn
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Bogard sisters....

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The Sanji set is so dumb

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Bro give ne the Zoro combo

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Missed chance to give zoro the extra fry

dense haven
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break week over yet?

west axle
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how many times have yu guys completed one piece

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from chapter one

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not even the author completed one piece tho

scarlet nacelle
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since we got spoilers the chapter should be dropping sometime on thursday or friday

grand flower
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deep chasm
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kizarus role in everything is interesting

dense pike
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deep chasm
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probably wont happen cuz what are the chances oda specifically goes this route: but I really like the idea of akainu being in a situation where hes about to die for his cause or whatever, and kizaru just flies in and takes him away. They go live on some empty island now that the world has changed, not bothering anybody

mighty roost
scarlet nacelle
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what would it do

deep chasm
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Butttt, idk what kizaru does before that

dense pike
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like how Kid could assign magnetic poles with his awakening

south shell
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Boo, I scared you 😱 😨

mighty roost
south shell
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Oh yeahh

deep chasm
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just think it would be a very sweet way toe nd their story tbh

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guys who were on the wrong side of history but not quite the evil enemies

deep chasm
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but they realize theyve done too much bad, so they gotta isolate at that point

dense pike
grand flower
scarlet nacelle
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regardless of his morality

deep chasm
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I guess thats an option too

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I think in my head it plays out that way cuz akainu would be near death or something

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like whoever hes fighting is gonna kill him if it continues, so maybe kizaru (who in this scenario is a bit less injured) cna just swoop in and drag him away

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it could go like youre saying as well where kizaru pleads with him to stop or something, and he keeps going due to his determination or whatever

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but Id like to see something like that

runic dock
grand flower
runic dock
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whats there to awaken when it already affects the environment?

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at base

deep chasm
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if anything, just a permanent change

runic dock
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even then, already seems possible due to akainu and kuzan fight with punk haard, i always figured thats just the aftermath of an all out base logia fight

deep chasm
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I mean I rlly wouldnt assume that

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its admirals and if top tiers could ever get stronger from a fight that woulda been it

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I think thats probably a thing because of their awakening

runic dock
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i guess, they had plenty chances to mention it as such

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never have

dense haven
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oda will just say they had awakening all that long just like everyone had haki all that long

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hes just a hack like that

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all along

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anyway you got the idea

deep chasm
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I wouldnt say there was plenty of chances

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there wasnt chances where it needed to be mentioned

runic dock
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anither reason i think they dont awaken is cause it ties into vegapunk not being able to replicate them

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it would make sense

deep chasm
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like hey jinbe mentions the fight, you dont need to mention that it happened cuz of awakening

deep chasm
grand flower
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That isn’t all there is to Paramecia Awakening

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And these are an entirely different category

runic dock
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for the author

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like limiting something already at a max level

leaden rivet
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Blackbeard may get the first logia awakening

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Though that would be kind of lame

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Since his logia is atypical. So it doesn’t help as much getting a good idea for the others.

deep chasm
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I just think thats too far of a reach to really be an argument in favor of them not having awakening. Like sure I guess oda could spin it that way, but its easier to conclude that vegapunk would have a harder time replicating something with an awakening than something without.

So I just dont rlly see the value in the idea until something points towards that being the case

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Im fine if they cant awaken tho

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but I think its just permanent change, and that woulda been exactly what aokiji and akainu did

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does make you think what a kizaru awakening looks like but we'd just like never see that or its the enies lobby theory ig

runic dock
# grand flower That isn’t all there is to Paramecia Awakening

right, youre talking about extra powers with paramecia awakening abilities, if its something like nature i could see that already being possible at base, such as if dragon had a wind logia and could "control weather", thats possible to do with fluctuatuions of the wind already, no awakening needed

runic dock
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its already been happening

grand flower
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This pushing that after all the build up they have no Awakening

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You’re never gonna sell that

runic dock
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logia already function at a max level

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thats why theyre hard to replicate and cant awaken

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you cant go past 100%

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imo anyway

grand flower
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Uh huh

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Logia awakenings will probably be immensely destructive

runic dock
runic dock
deep chasm
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I think "function at a max level" wouldnt rlly make sense for why you cant replicate it. You can replicate fruits to max level anyway. if it was that vegapunk could replicate fruits but not the awakenings sure

runic dock
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looks like normal logia stuff to me

deep chasm
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but presumably his fruits can awaken too

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seems more like the issue would be the intangibility and natural thing

runic dock
west axle
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how many times have yu guys caught up to manga?

deep chasm
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what that gotta do with "function at max level"

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youre saying he can make fruits at max level anyway

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if his fruits can awaken

runic dock
deep chasm
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I mean

runic dock
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thats what it has to do with it

deep chasm
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if youre saying VPs fruits dont awaken

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sure but thats news to us

runic dock
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im going forward with the assumption for now lol

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i guess

deep chasm
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I think they would have said something if they couldnt awaken

runic dock
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i think they would have said sometbing if logias we saw were already awakened

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i could play that game too hehe

deep chasm
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Yea I think thats just not the same thing lol

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If vegapunk is discussing his fruits

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and saying theyre exact replicas and whatnot and his only failure is not being able to do logias

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thats more of the moment where if his fruits couldnt awaken you should acknowledge that

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theres been no time where it was necessary to mention anything about a logia awakening. You can come up with a time where maybe you could fit it in, but its not going to be necessary

dense haven
grand flower
runic dock
runic dock
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interesting

grand flower
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PH was the result of water flowing in and being affected by the temperature

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PH does give us an idea that the awakening will be immense becausw the base potential is immense

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That lines up with the rest of the admirals appearances

leaden rivet
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I find the “strongest class of devil fruits” being unable to awaken is rather silly

scarlet nacelle
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before mythical zoans were as prominent as they are and most likely outdating the first thought of awakening

leaden rivet
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Nothing contradicts it

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And I’m talking about the 3 classes not just a subset of a class. The strongest class not having access to higher level abilities is just kinda dumb.

runic dock
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logia awakenings would really have to wow me...if its just PH we saw that over a decade ago im not that impressed im already used to it

dense haven
thick mango
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i just feel like its probably impossible

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i know theres like a bias to the events of the story right

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but akainu is 55 years old. Hes had 20-30 years to awaken most likely. Kuzan is 49. Croc is 46

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is it really the case that in these decades of use, hard battles, etc none of the logias have awakened?

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and it can only happen in this 2 year window where the story takes place?

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if kuzan and akainu didnt awaken in their fight almost to the death that transformed an entire island and was over a goal that was very important to both of them, its just not gonna happen

shadow knoll
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Oda forgot bout him gng

thick mango
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lol i believe

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but you get what im saying right? All these lives have been filled with plenty of opportunities to awaken that just so happened to not take place in our 2 year story window and we've never heard of it

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and i think vegapunk calling out that logias are weird from the science perspective increases the odds that they just cant awaken

fringe ice
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Croc awakens or we riot

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Mf already had mastery over his fruit in Alabasta and Kaku awakened after 2 years at most don't play with me

unique lagoon
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i highly doubt kuzan has awakening back in Punkhazard

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surely he would have used it vs garp

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i can only cope akainu or aramaki has awakening

thick mango
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thats exactly my point though

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we have these lifetimes that should have already produced an awakening if a logia awakening is possible

fringe ice
runic dock
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I will destroy you

shadow python
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Kidds awakening is interesting. He doesn't make the environment magnetic but rather big mom herself bypassing the normal haki immunity. Laws awakening also seemed to get through her defenses and impact her albeit he could only use his non hax powers like wet willy

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Could an awakened logia be capable of turning their enemies to their element? Or if thats not possible then perhaps they can generate their element from nothing as opposed to it originating from their body

cosmic hamlet
runic dock
cosmic hamlet
cosmic hamlet
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If you awaken the environment doesn't automatically turn to df, the user has to do it manually. In kidds case he has to touch it which is ehh

cosmic hamlet
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Can logia users add haki to their elements?

thick mango
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i would assume so

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its their body

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and even in cases where they make projectiles, the kuja/yassop/beckman have haki projectiles

still mason
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It's also interesting to think that before he was reclassed as a special paramecia, Kata as a logia was coating himself in armament

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But his circumstances are so unique that it doesn't bear any weight on the actual question as it relates to other logias

mighty quarry
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Awakened Logia is probably what led to punk hazard being that way

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And Raijin island

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Permanently altering the weather around an area @shadow python

thick mango
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I do think that's what happened to long ring long land

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But when it comes to elemental effects like raijin island I'm more willing to believe it's just natural and weird

mighty quarry
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Yeah it could be just sucky weather there

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or

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Awakened goro goro from long time back

thick mango
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I just think if that was the thing it would maybe be called out when describing what happened to punk hazard

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Although I don't remember the context of that description it's possible the speaker didn't have expertise or inclination to make that point

unique lagoon
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i forgot which character mentioned kuzan and akainu changing the climate

thick mango
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If it's ceaser I think he would say awaken. If it's law maybe.

unique lagoon
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jinbe was the first one to inform em

thick mango
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Hm but when does the permanent effect on the climate come up

edgy socket
thick mango
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Hm not really conclusive

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I Don't think smoker is guaranteed to have brought up awakening but he might have

mighty quarry
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No we don't have confirmation it was awakening specifically that did it

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But we know it happened 2 years ago only

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And we know 2 top tier logias fought

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Closest people who would have awakened their logia DFs

thick mango
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Yeah I'm wondering does the absence of acknowledging either of them are awakened imply that logia just can't awaken

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Cause if any logia should be awakened, it's them

shadow python
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When did Law awaken? Last week in dressrosa he didnt even know awakening was a thing but by Wano he already knew how to do it and had a whole array of new techniques for it

mighty quarry
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Perhaps during the one week they trained on wano just before raiding onigashima

grand flower
grand flower
shadow python
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The reverie is 5 days right? The reverie started shortly post Dressrosa and ended a few days before Kaido was defeated

thick mango
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He presumably woulda awakened during the doffy fight then realized and developed techniques afterwards

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Idt he awakened in random low stakes training that's not really how it works

shadow python
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There was a point where Law and Doffy were off screen but if Law had awakened there i would think he'd have used it over gamma knife when he had his free shot

thick mango
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Well he didn't know his new tricks yet

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Like you still gotta practice and learn after the switch is flipped

mighty quarry
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Lucci and Kaku awakened sometime somewhere in 2 years too

cosmic hamlet
mighty shell
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the fire and snow just happened randomly it was unrelated to the fight

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it was global warming

pulsar path
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Guys wtf it was 65 now it's under 30 and snowing

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Kuzan?

mighty quarry
pulsar path
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Monet

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?

mighty quarry
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Theres a spiritual touch to awakening too

pulsar path
#

Monet sounds like money

shadow python
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Kuzan was such a baby. They chose Akainu over him and so he threw a hissy fit challenged Akainu into a fight during the most turbulent time since probably the dawn of the age of pirates, loses said fight and then quits the marines to be a pirate

cosmic hamlet
shadow python
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Katakuri doesnt seem to fight often or at the very least hasnt been punched in years which leads me to think he either awakened his fruit quite awhile ago (being the only awakened commander in the world for probably a decade) or he mastered his fruit without ever being challenged

mighty quarry
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He had his fruit since he was like 10?

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Long time to align his body and mind to it

shadow python
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Brook had his fruit for over 50 years and did nothing with it until the timeskip

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Kaku mastered his fruit in less than 2

mighty shell
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awakening is so weird it feels arbitrary lol

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with the one exception of luffy who had to actually die for it

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law and kid talk about it like they just picked it up one day

mighty quarry
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Just gotta see Loki's awakening now

pulsar path
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Already have

rich hornet
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Loki actually had awakening the first time he used it to kill his dad. He’s just like that

pulsar path
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It's his space dragon form

thick mango
pulsar path
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Wait.

thick mango
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He's a walking volcano of anger

pulsar path
#

Minks can't be reptiles right?

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They eat lizards etc

thick mango
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There aren't any idk if there can't be any

pulsar path
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I thought they kidna explained that they eat reptiles because they can't be Minks or something g

thick mango
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Oh maybe idk

pulsar path
#

Well hold on I have one step further

strong wadi
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pretty sure all minks are mammals/hairy

pulsar path
#

Could this be dragon reference?

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Like there enemies are reptilian dragons or crap is oda getting into space lore with reptilian aliens 🤣

mighty quarry
#

Dinosaurs are prehistoric

rich hornet
stone tulip
pulsar path
#

Metal god jika and operation god lawka

thick mango
rich hornet
sick dust
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dam chat dead fr

grand flower
pulsar path
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I forget about that whole aspect of minks tbh

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I tried to disconnect furrys from minks 🤣

dense haven
#

aspect of WHAT

pulsar path
#

Lmao typo I swear!!!

cosmic hamlet
upper rose
muted hedge
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a reptile race would be cool

cosmic hamlet
#

👀

pulsar path
pulsar path
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Argonian queens

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Or kings idk what Imu be

pulsar path
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Does momo have the ushi ushi no me model pinku Ryu or is he shiny kaido

rose rune
#

shiny kaido

muted hedge
rose rune
vale heath
muted hedge
dense haven
#

chapter tomorrow btw

rose rune
pulsar path
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So bonney and Kuma are a huge terminator reference

dense haven
#

yall excited fr chapter?

cosmic hamlet
buoyant comet
cyan crystal
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Chapapa

buoyant comet
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Chippy vs Franky

pulsar path
#

How come shanks and buggy get younger as we get further into the story via flash backs 🤣

muted hedge
#

do they?

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i guess Shanks did at least

pulsar path
#

They were drinking in chapter 19

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But they were like 13

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Than in ed war they look older but than Oden flash back they are kids lol

muted hedge
pulsar path
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"joy boy"

dense haven
#

yall excited for chapter?

celest mauve
#

unless it's brook low-diffing imu, no

muted hedge
wraith mantle
#

vote of the day

thin quest
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the only spoilers I look at weekly are the pics/gifs

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I never read any chapter summary or anything, I like trying to figure out things via them

dense haven
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thats not much better

thin quest
#

it's really never spoiled much for me tbh

vale heath
#

The only spoiler I look at is the one on my car

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(I’ve been meaning to remove it actually I just never have)

frozen ravine
#

the only spoilers I look at are the mysterious gifs, the chapter summaries, and the raws

rose rune
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The only spoilers I look at are the strays I'm deleting in the manga channels

barren token
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The only spoilers I look at are strays in tbe manga channels thigh fails to delete because he sucks

rose rune
vale heath
#

Ulti spotted

muted hedge
dense pike
iron oriole
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No its Peter Gadiot

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Whoever that is

muted hedge
distant vine
#

I remember us arguing about Ulti vs Katakuri a lot

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Was that a wider fandom debate?

primal vessel
sly belfry
#

Yes

iron oriole
# muted hedge

Oh lmao it's literally just Shanks LA, idk why i thought it was a different actor

muted hedge
#

lol

primal vessel
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so katakuri wasn't even compared to king

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damn

sly belfry
#

A lot of people claim ulti beats katakuri

primal vessel
#

sad_mask

deep chasm
sudden dock
#

I forgot is chopper also a veterinary

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?

iron oriole
#

Wasn't he taking care of the birds too on the island he was sent by Kuma?

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Actually does taking care of a Mink count as vet work anyway

misty nebula
#

Yeah

vale heath
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I don’t think there’s a meaningful difference between veterinarian and doctor in one piece

muted hedge
#

curing every disease probably encompasses animals too

vale heath
#

If we’re trying to apply strict labels then Chopper is a pharmacologist

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But he also does surgery so that falls apart too

muted hedge
#

screw it, let's develop a new word for it

grand flower
#

Ulti was boxing Luffy when he could tank a Thunder Bagua in base

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Luffy beat Katakuri when he was one shottable by TB in G4

#

Pretty simple logic

grand flower
#

Katakuri gon use future sight and just see himself being physically unable to stop Ulti from blitzing him

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Just like Enel watched his ass whooping coming at the end

sly belfry
#

He could not tank a thunder bagua

gloomy tree
grand flower
grand flower
sly belfry
#

I read the manga not sure what other sources there are

gloomy tree
grand flower
#

And then Luffy got way faster

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The whole point of Udon was that Luffy left several times stronger

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We see that with him being able to block a Thunder Bagua in base when he couldn't in G4 before

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Luffy is legit eclipsing the strength he beat Katakuri with

gloomy tree
#

Strength sure, speed is a different topic

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She ain't touching Kata

grand flower
#

I don't mean strength as in raw power

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I'm sauing left physically superior than he went into it by several times

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He physically could not handle a TB coming at him whatsoever when he fought Kaido in Kuri

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Base Luffy is able to react to it and gaurd himself by the time he got to Onigashima

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In Udon, luffy says doing the hard labor while weakened by the cuffs will make him several times stronger

gloomy tree
#

Post Udon base Luffy is not faster than Snakeman Luffy

grand flower
#

By the time Luffy got to Onigashima, we can see his physical capabilities in base has exceeded what he was previously capable of with G4 at the time he beat Katakuri

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He couldn't raise a guard to Kaido in G4, but could do so in base

#

Even if his speed didn't raise above what Snake Man did previously, it's still shown to us that Luffy is on an entirely different level than ebfore

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Before*

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Ulti was pushing him to become serious like Katakuri was, but Katakuri did that on a lower level. That suggests Ulti is on another level to Katakuri

muted hedge
grand flower
#

Katakuri just looks really bad until he gets an upscale

leaden rivet
hot cairn
#

is this convo about Katakuri vs Ulti?

#

I remember those in Wano

deep chasm
#

I always hated when people would argue this

thick mango
#

Whoever the story needed to win would win. That's the only real powerscaling

deep chasm
#

there is genuinely no world wherre Oda is drawing kaido vs big mom and he has katakuri losing to ulti but people try so hard to be smart and "just follow feats"

grand flower
#

oh brother

distant vine
#

Wait you guys are arguing it again?

leaden rivet
#

There is no argument to be had

desert nest
#

I can also block a thunder bagua in base

distant vine
grand flower
#

the only time narrative matters to powerscaling is when something that makes a character look bad was due to the story being told

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like kizaru in egghead

grand flower
#

you can compartmentalize

deep chasm
#

exhibit A over here

distant vine
#

If Oda wanted Katakuri to beat Ulti

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He would just have Kata jump in power

grand flower
#

Katakuri is pretty obviously gonna get upscaled if he returns to the story cause he'd need to be

grand flower
#

But it's also just true that right now, his portrayal doesn't match Ulti's

deep chasm
grand flower
#

Luffy getting one shot in his strongest form at the start of Wano and being blitzed at that just makes Katakuri's level look smaller than what the rest of Wano ended up being

deep chasm
#

Ulti vs Kata is a perfect example to show that you cant just follow feats

distant vine
#

That being said I have to remind myself my opinion on this fight

hot cairn
#

that makes no sense

dense pike
distant vine
#

Im pretty sure I decided Ulti tho

grand flower
leaden rivet
#

People that just look at feats and nothing else just aren’t worth speaking to.

deep chasm
#

if you just follow feats and find yourself saying ulti>katakuri, that should be your sign that your conclusion based on the feats is flawed

distant vine
#

Oh Kata slams ofc haha

hot cairn
grand flower
#

If you're talking about Emperor vs Emperor going head to head, the Big Mom pirates have far superior coordination, networking, and teamwork

sly belfry
#

genuinely what feats does ulti have over kata

grand flower
#

The beast pirates actively eat each other within battle

deep chasm
grand flower
#

Katakuri being a lower level than Kaido's number 2 wouldn't matter in an all out war

dense pike
grand flower
leaden rivet
#

Purely on feats Zoro is lowkey no diffing Mihawk

grand flower
#

Big Mom probably has way more allies

distant vine
grand flower
#

Kaido's core crew being stronger than the charlotte family makes perfectly viable sense

distant vine
#

But Kata's DF and Future Sight gives him the edge

leaden rivet
#

Let me add this to my Zoro yonko level agenda Smilers

deep chasm
grand flower
#

They're a meritocracy that fosters strength over everything

distant vine
#

Hopefully I can stop forgetting my opinion on this

deep chasm
#

ulti can have more durability thats fine

dense pike
grand flower
#

them being an army with more raw power checks out

deep chasm
#

shes still not coming close to winning

grand flower
#

The charlotte family has a way better spread

#

And, again, the beast pirates actively kill each other too

leaden rivet
#

I’m not buying anyone but King beating Katakuri i don’t care