also-manga

[pulsar path]

First person to come to mind

[upper rose]

ok

[pulsar path]

It's crazy law and ace still have that much

[prisma yacht]

#also-manga message

[soft tangle]

Better than Yamato and Carrot ❤️

[muted hedge]

damn

[prisma yacht]

yeah that's why they are kinda the same

[muted hedge]

ah

[distant vine]

Thats what happens when youre a good character

[prisma yacht]

oh wait I forgot you were on a break when we saw the top5s last wekk lol

so this must be new for you

[soft tangle]

Ace 😂

[distant vine]

I was mostly talking about Law tbh...Ace is alright

[prisma yacht]

yeah lol loved to see nami there

[distant vine]

Robin in 3 top 5s

Nami in 3 top 5s

[prisma yacht]

Rocks in 3 top 5s

[muted hedge]

yup

Xebec getting there is fairly predictable, given how huge of an impact he had on the fandom as a whole being a literal aura farming machine and not as detastable as people first thought

[prisma yacht]

Africans voted for shanks

that's the biggest wowzies for me

[muted hedge]

?

[distant vine]

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Nami
5. Robin
6. Law
7. Ace
8. Rocks
9. Shanks

[prisma yacht]

axe and law are still somewhat understandable to be there

[distant vine]

This is what its looking like rn but obviously there's a lot of data we dont have

[prisma yacht]

ace*

[muted hedge]

yeah Ace and Law have always been the cool stereotypes

[distant vine]

Sabo's definetly not too far behind

[prisma yacht]

I want bb in the top 20s 🫩

[soft tangle]

10

[muted hedge]

hopefully

[soft tangle]

Blackbeard clears everyone in this list except Luffy

[spice cairn]

They did that last poll

[prisma yacht]

too much to ask for before he gets his arc

[soft tangle]

If blackbeard had as many color spreads as nami…

[muted hedge]

definitely top 30

[distant vine]

LOL

Just take the fact he'll be above Imu in stride

Dont be greedy

[soft tangle]

What dis mean

[stone terrace]

Bb fans talking real greasy when van augur mogs him

[muted hedge]

wouldn't really matter a lot of people hate him because he has been the cause of some of the detastable deaths out there, like him jumping a dying Whitebeard and then being the reason for why Ace was captured in the first place, not to mention his whole shtick is being a detestable pirate and Oda does it well with him

[distant vine]

Its what I said. Blackbeard will definetly be above Imu in popularity

[muted hedge]

i think that Imu will be fairly popular to be honest

[soft tangle]

These are all good things

The main antagonist should be popular

[muted hedge]

well yeah for the narrative of his character but some people won't get by it and start hating him for it

[soft tangle]

Should be the minimum

[distant vine]

The way he stares at Saturn is so funny

[soft tangle]

They should stick to their hourglass figured characters fr

[muted hedge]

it's not about that, lol

it's about what actions they've done

some people won't be voting on a guy who was the cause for Marineford for example

[soft tangle]

I’m saying the characters designed like that aren’t interesting except Robin

[muted hedge]

i'd say that's dumbing it down

most of them have got tons of depth

[soft tangle]

And it ain’t interesting ☝️

[hazy turret]

You’re dead to me if you do that

[ornate tartan]

he’s not really similar to other main protagonists

other main protagonists are insurmountable foes from the jump

and also don’t look crazy like bb with half his teeth missing and a big ass belly

[distant vine]

You want Shanks votes?

[prisma yacht]

I thought you hated shanks rok

[pulsar path]

People also seem to hate him like not even overstating

People really like they ace I guess

[ornate tartan]

I mean he’s a great character but he’s not really likeable in that sense

wb fans don’t like him either

other main villians usually have some type of aura or mysterious air about them

while blackbeard is more similar to the protagonist luffy

[soft tangle]

Literal peak character design

[distant vine]

Chill on Nami

[soft tangle]

Hell no

[soft tangle]

BB HAS AURA

[hazy turret]

Oh wait I read it wrong

[soft tangle]

BB is a walking piece of lore. He is exposition. When he is featured in ANY chapter, people pay attention. They take note of everything he says. It is so deep, that just having a blackbeard pirate, gets people to pay attention.

[hazy turret]

@brittle basin BLESS YOU

[distant vine]

Its too late

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-haki-shanks-meco-gif-26482142

500000 MORE VOTES FOR SHANKS

[spice cairn]

KEEP VOTING SO WE GET FILM RED 2: SCARLET RED

[coral vapor]

BB glaze

[soft tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-trafalgar-law-gura-crush-law-blackbeard-vs-law-gif-1276723233884227469

[coral vapor]

the true final villain

[spice cairn]

I honestly don't care for the final meme anymore because multiple antagonists at this stage in the story is suppose to be for all various different perspectives and roots of evil.

[vale heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1476293586894065724/arlongi.gif

[spice cairn]

With 2 major standouts being two different angles of what theyre antagonizing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1123440053947998318/kid_bashing_big_mom_gif.gif

[muted hedge]

the final villain discussion is probably the most tiresome one there is

[vale heath]

I need more of these kinds of gifs, this and the Arlong one

[muted hedge]

it's reaching Sanji vs Zoro or Shanks vs Mihawk levels

[vale heath]

I don’t have words to describe them

https://tenor.com/view/kaido-scream-gif-23866795

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-punch-boxing-franky-fukurou-gif-19895917

If only this was sped up by 50x

[stone terrace]

I notice people tend to look at who they want to be the final villain and just work backwards from there

[muted hedge]

yeah

[stone terrace]

In other words, no point even trying

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-op-anime-vegapunk-york-gif-18008258167742785410

[ornate tartan]

zoro is still number 1 in japan

after the update

[fallen meteor]

hopefully

[soft tangle]

Blackbeard has been there since the beginning. He has been the cause of Luffy’s pain. He caused Marineford. He now has possession of the strongest Marine in history.

[high wolf]

Woro 🔥

[soft tangle]

Imu is shonen slop garbage meant to prop up the war. Imu wasn’t even thought of when Blackbeard was dropping quotes.

[ornate tartan]

he might stay there until the last week this time

[stone terrace]

I hope its buggy to spite bb fans ngl

[urban lodge]

It will be

[muted hedge]

Buggy would be funny

since it's also the first devil fruit user who Luffy went against

[urban lodge]

The true successor of Xebec

Actual inherited will, not genetics

[soft tangle]

You say this like we have a problem with it

[rose rune]

the worst would be if rayleigh turned out to be evil and the final villain

[soft tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-peak-fiction-dies-from-peak-fiction-gif-8241362855452869649

[spice cairn]

There can exist a personal antagonist, and an over arching one that effects everyone and is involved with the mythos of the story at large at the same time

[rose rune]

a kanjuro like situation

[spice cairn]

Theres no such thing as a "final guy"

[sacred sail]

Awakens the chop-chop fruit and can straight up chop up other people and even islands with a thought

[soft tangle]

Soooo Blackbeard

[spice cairn]

There's final guys for specific dynamics.

[cosmic hamlet]

Kanjuro always felt fishy though

[spice cairn]

Eh

Kanjuro sold it very well

To the point of also being willing to boil

York was the "greed" Vegapunk

Like cmon

Bro thought we were going to be faked out by the greed Vegapunk

The moment sabotage was on the table, I knew York was the one

[rose rune]

not really, but what I was referring to was the sudden "it was I!!! Macho Miguel! and now I will do evil stuff while twirling my mustache!"

[spice cairn]

I do this.

[rose rune]

kanjuro had no reason to say he was the culprit

[sacred sail]

God’s knights left them alone because he was one of their own

[pulsar path]

So like why do y'all think they make the devil fruits look like that in live action

Like why not just make it look like a fruit it's like

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't know why he revealed though, it was odd

[cosmic hamlet]

Exactly

[ornate tartan]

xebec forgotten w no legacy

his will is worthless

only the will of davy jones matters

[urban lodge]

As he deserves

[ornate tartan]

for the story

[trim lily]

the only legacy of davy jones is vander decken

wait no thats the dutchman

[thick mango]

The cross guild is closer to the rocks pirates than bbp are

[trim lily]

not really

[spice cairn]

I think thats intentional even if thats the case.

Teech is carving out his own legacy

[trim lily]

bbp is a bunch of pirates who came together for their own purposes but drawn to the leader's charisma

cross guild is a business

[spice cairn]

Not relying on his father besides stealing his namesake for his ship

Cross Guild is a business black market first and foremost

They didnt even bother with the OP before Buggy started black pilling

[thick mango]

I think bbp are all on the same page of taking over the world it's just that what they get out of that might be different

[spice cairn]

Well yeah

That's true freedom

Teech knows they all dont particularly care for him/using him for their own agendas.

But they're using eachother in a very slimy way and making it a net positive for everyone

[trim lily]

rocks allegedly wanted the world too but who knows what that meant lmao

[spice cairn]

Probably to rule it in the same vein imo

Though whenever it was for any malicious reason is up in the air.

Theres clearly some bit of morality within Rocks even if it was solely on his family

Teech has no quality of that bit of glimmer

[trim lily]

rocks wanted to rule the world so he could feed everyone

[spice cairn]

I think the Rocks pirates besides like, Wang Zhi being a dick were a lot more royal relatively speaking

BBPs are very unpredictable

[soft tangle]

They know BB is special and can’t leave him

[spice cairn]

Pizarro has voiced his want of kicking Teech out his throne and Shiryu raised the question of ditching completely if Teech failed his attempt with Newgate

So they aren't to be trusted. Burgress maybe and that's because hes genuinely very dumb and shallow

As much as that pains me to say.

[thick mango]

I think most of the rocks weren't really true believers

Whitebeard is the only one you can count on

[trim lily]

i think kaido was probably his biggest believer

whitebeard believed in rocks but he also didnt really agree with him often

[thick mango]

Oh true yeah but he was a kid so

[spice cairn]

A lot of them had their own individuality

And probably faired well prior to meeting Rocks

Big Mom being a good example(?)

[prisma yacht]

dolfi do the react pls

[spice cairn]

Kaido was easily impressionable

And he was allured with fruits during this point

[thick mango]

Big mom I don't think was especially loyal

[spice cairn]

Thats what I mean

She existed fine before Rocks

[soft tangle]

Big mom was 100% a bandwagon

[spice cairn]

And wasn't particularly dependant on him

You can argue she did this so she can bang more people and fill her army early.

[steel stirrup]

Nah its called hitting a lick

He had a plan and she was in on it

She wasn't there because she was a fan of his she just thought his plan had potential

[formal wagon]

lick? mleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-steam-maintenance-tuesday-funny-gif-5125368307851606673

[steel stirrup]

Especially when the only reason she seemed to be on Rocks crew in the first place is because she was won in a Davy Back fight

She wasnt there out of loyalty or for any bandwagon she was won and then she stayed because she wanted to get paid

[soft tangle]

She didn’t stand on business that’s snake

[spice cairn]

Won in a davy back?

Big Mom was her own business lmao

[steel stirrup]

Stand on what business

It was always a lick they weren't friends

[soft tangle]

John ran away for some lame ass treasure

[steel stirrup]

Again

No loyalty was ever promised

[soft tangle]

We know

[thick mango]

I can't see bb ever doing a Davy back

I think if there's another one it's cross guild for sure

[steel stirrup]

The reason they all were with him in the first place is because he won them in Davy Back fights they didnt join because they believed in anything he was doing

[thick mango]

They're disadvantaged in a typical fight but advantaged in a duel having the world's best duelist

And buggy probably pretty good at early round game nonsense he's got a good head for that I think

[steel stirrup]

You could argue that later on they began to believe in him and his dream and plan but at first they were there because they had little to no choice

[steel stirrup]

I think a Davy Back fight is where Buggy could shine

[vale heath]

I really like the live action decision that Zoro hallucinated a Mihawk as like a spiritual guide sorta thing

[carmine burrow]

Y'all know a source for the manga that isn't compressed into oblivion? I would use the SJ app but everything is artifacts and fuzzy blobs

[vale heath]

Otherwise it’d be really unfair to Steven ward that he hands in the best performance and never gets a call back

[muted hedge]

i thought they'd show Ace visiting Shanks on the snowy island

[steel stirrup]

YES

YESSSSS

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH I NEEDED THAT UNTIL NOW

It was soooooo good

[vale heath]

And you can even tell that these aren’t exactly words that Mihawk would say, this is Zoro projecting his own personal failings into Mihawk’s mouth.
Really strong character writing.

[ornate tartan]

3 weeks till we see barto ship get wrecked

and blackbeard asking for caribou

[distant vine]

I'm actually curious about this too

[brittle basin]

[muted hedge]

damn

[long lichen]

This would be costlier than 1000 berries

Bet

[muted hedge]

390$ i think

[hot cairn]

CHAPTER WEEK

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/saehrus/status/2030780218013540847/photo/1

sae (@saehrus)

I wanted draw this too

#ONEPIECE

X · Mar 8, 2026, 10:58 PM

[vale heath]

Still no wafalo

[stone terrace]

Good stew cooks slowly

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-dance-dancing-cat-cat-dance-cat-party-disco-gif-6965183018436888405

[spice cairn]

Me and my friends

[teal galleon]

Mihawk can't beat sommers

[dapper tree]

I mean

Try harder with bait

[azure spindle]

Grrrrr mihawk can't beat sommers grrr I'm so mad 😡

https://tenor.com/view/donquixote-doflamingo-rage-gritting-one-day-greatest-power-gif-15523857

[formal wagon]

me when someone denies the objective truth that doflamingo beats katakuri handidly

[frigid gulch]

Etemon clears both

[buoyant comet]

Bro abhors his father

[knotty bone]

Katakuri does use a blade weapon. Which ruins most of Doflamingo's abilities

Plus a mochi man can ooze his body out of any restrictions or binding

[thick mango]

you cant cut doffys strings can you? All they can do against the birdcage is hold it back

and that was like zoro and fujitora, not lightweights

[knotty bone]

Haki can cut strings 4sure

[dense rapids]

Chapter 19 and 967 take place at the same time

Buggy got sick because he fell into the water that’s why oden said it was sudden (they weren’t there to see)

Oda also made sure to put buggy and shanks in those exact outfits for those moments to match chapter 19

Like here when they first meet oden they’re wearing something different

There outfit changes throughout 1 chapter

[trim lily]

sunbell spotted

[blazing depot]

Every crew got the token DEI Fishman

[hot cairn]

awesome

[stone terrace]

Not holy knight shanks

[graceful grove]

nooticing

[prisma yacht]

a simple koby doodle

ok the nose looks weird

[hazy turret]

@stone tulip

[prisma yacht]

hmmmm

[prisma yacht]

yeah pink shared this yesterday

[stone tulip]

Yeah I brought that up yesterday

This is more reliable that the other sources that people tried to bring it up

[hazy turret]

ok so should i jump off a bridge or what

I DIDNT KNOW OKAY

i didnt know you shared this

[prisma yacht]

too bad

[stone tulip]

Peak

[prisma yacht]

you shld have been here monitoring the chat 24*7

thankie pink

[stone tulip]

It’s okay Rokaya, it happens to me couple of times so you’re fine

[hazy turret]

i can do 6 7

[stone tulip]

No problem

[prisma yacht]

mm sounds convincing

[runic dock]

Th sunbell lookalike on rocks crew is actually just human

[prisma yacht]

not real

[runic dock]

So real

[prisma yacht]

what's ur point buggy

[runic dock]

Why does he look like someone just forced him to say that

[prisma yacht]

he's beaten up

[runic dock]

You better follow your dreams Koby >:( or you get the hands again

[prisma yacht]

just fought off alvida

[runic dock]

Cute drawing tho

[prisma yacht]

u right i shldnt have added those sweats

what was i thinking

[runic dock]

Bro didn’t even know what he was doing lmao

[hazy turret]

koby should walk into the ocean with a cinder block tied to his leg

sorry

[prisma yacht]

yeahhh he was being hesitant to say it

[hazy turret]

im sorry i didnt mean that

[runic dock]

Yes you did

I can tell

[trim lily]

it’s character building

[hazy turret]

okay i half meant it

[runic dock]

See

[prisma yacht]

rok we know how much u like the ocean bed now

[hazy turret]

how dare you

[prisma yacht]

[runic dock]

Like sleeping with the fishes?

[cosmic hamlet]

Nice

[prisma yacht]

the sweating looks weird as earl pointed out

[dense rapids]

They saw the map to laugh tale

[cosmic hamlet]

Do you want to?

[hazy turret]

not necessarily

[cosmic hamlet]

Then don't

[cosmic hamlet]

Rude

[prisma yacht]

I was just asking for the conclusion to that

[cosmic hamlet]

This looks ai, is it not?

[runic dock]

Probably

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-ai-kitten-ai-kitten-larry-larry-ai-gif-5850789617517185518

[ornate tartan]

🔥

[wraith mantle]

Bonjour

[thick mango]

aloha

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dogesh-dance-dogesh-dance-husky-husky-dance-gif-5738969070586908231

[grand flower]

Bro thinks he’s meek

[thick mango]

i aint ceding ownership of words to meek

[stone terrace]

https://x.com/variety/status/2033277563456434389?s=46

Variety (@Variety)

Charithra Chandran stunts on the #Oscars red carpet.

(via Getty)

X · Mar 15, 2026, 8:22 PM

[dense haven]

shes way too beutiful to play vivi ngl

[digital spear]

common Vivi W

[frigid gulch]

Wasted

[thick mango]

new manga cards of op 16

[blazing depot]

Forehead too small

She’s not MY Vivi

[grand flower]

EL OH EL

[rose rune]

first thing I see when I open chat is AI

[spice cairn]

Super alt

[rose rune]

if you zoom in you can see that it actually is vivi

[ruby moat]

she's... she's beautiful...

[vale heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1123440053947998318/kid_bashing_big_mom_gif.gif

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-bellamy-bellamy-one-piece-jaya-luffy-gif-14475973392499703013

[signal fiber]

Why's she there? She do a movie?

[sick dust]

LA Luffy would probably struggle here than he should

[signal fiber]

As he should, that's Bellamy the Hyena we're up against

[dense haven]

opla will sweep the oscars

yall aint ready

[signal fiber]

Inaki just won lifetime achievement award

[ornate tartan]

true statement

[sick dust]

Tbh I won’t be surprised

LA seems more mainstream than the actual source material itself

[deep chasm]

daily reminder either urouge or lafitte is a blade of god

[wet condor]

Break that one down for me

This some meme I've missed out on lol

[hollow dove]

If Kid’s really in Elbaph, I feel like Urouge’s chances of being in the arc actually increases. They always seem to be shown in similar scenes and context.

Urouge debuted in Sabaody fighting Kid’s best mate. Both went to Totto Land and defeated the same exact commander. And Urouge was literally right above Kid’s hideout on a sky island last we saw him.

Thus, we as fans of both characters should band together 🤝

I think it’d be pretty fitting if Urouge is in the Heaven Realm while Kid is in the Underworld, lol

Just like back at his hideout with Kaido, Urouge chilling up high while Kid faces hell beneath him

[sick dust]

Shhh don’t say blade.

They’ll might upscale

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-agenda-piece-mihawk-upscale-mrbeep-gif-4652002396828019758

[deep chasm]

My logic is purely that we've now been introduced to the concept of a blade of god

people who work for WG but can do something else publicly and not be known

its possible oda will just leave that alone from now on and only wanted it for plot convenience. But Im giving him a little trust and assuming there will likely be a current blade of god to fill the role

[wet condor]

Oh you're talking about the the Holy Knight rank lol

[deep chasm]

so just thinking about which characters we've seen, and could be somewhat important, but have yet to show why theyre important

[wet condor]

I'm thinking you're talking about God of the Blade, Ryuma's title

[deep chasm]

the one below holy knight

oh no lol

Im talking what shanks and harald were in the flashback

like someone is probably filling that role currently, and I think urouge and lafitte fit my criteria

mysterious characters who are probably important somehow but we've no clue how

I mean lafitte not so much, but he seems more mysterious than the rest of BBP

[stone tulip]

If that’s the case then why Urouge wasn’t in Wano then ?

[thick mango]

If kid doesn't show up in elbaf I think the odds of him being dead or retired go way up

My ideal version is he lives and helps bb take down shanks though

The way I see it shanks revenge is his only viable thread

And bb making the shanks fight unfair doesn't lessen it for me I would prefer a version where bb has made it unfair in every way possible

Bb doesn't believe in fair fights

[wet condor]

These are standard BB tactics, yeah lol

I wouldn't expect anything less

[leaden rivet]

Well it just depends does Oda want fans to take Blackbeard seriously or not

[wet condor]

I take him seriously in that I know that he'll be right there at the end and likely Luffy's final fight. But I know what you're saying

[vital heart]

Why arent you staff anymore?

Demoted or quit?

[ashen rose]

The final confrontation WILL be luffy vs BB

[vital heart]

If quit -- explain why

Please 🙏

[leaden rivet]

Fans still don’t take Blackbeard seriously and they likely still won’t if he just worms his way through another victory

[wet condor]

If Blackbeard doesn't beat Shanks in a fair fight then people will not be looking at him in the same as they do other all-timers like Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, WB, Roger, Rocks

[ashen rose]

Luffy and everyone else vs Imu (battle of thousands of years of suffering)

Luffy vs Akainu (battle of revenge and authority)

Luffy vs teach (battle of dreams and ideals)

[leaden rivet]

Okay I don’t care

[ashen rose]

:(

[wet condor]

But let BB beat Shanks in a fair fight. I'm fine with that too lol

I just don't expect it

[leaden rivet]

Me neither.

Not even because of Blackbeard’s fighting style, but because shanks death is going to make him look good not Blackbeard.

[thick mango]

I think the fact that he's not constrained by any conception of honor means you have to take him more seriously

[leaden rivet]

And nonetheless most don’t. It’s almost ironic with Shanks speech to Blackbeard.

[thick mango]

He's the katakuri fight who would welcome the poison dart rather than insist on evening it out

He's kaido who would welcome geurnica

[deep chasm]

I quit I took a break from the server and after I didnt feel like managing stuff or catching up with the times

idk like half of the current staff

[deep chasm]

this is true

I think him showing up can be as small as us seeing his face after SHs leave but before next arc

but if we're 10 chapters into the next arc with no sighting of kid, higher chances hes dead

[thick mango]

Things are acellerating which means like.. the capability to reintroduce elements or create new elements goes down a lot more than just proportional to the remaining pagetime

The plot cannot wait for kid resurfacing after a few months

[hazy turret]

There’s a sneak in here

And it’s not BM

[thick mango]

And luffy can't just decide to slow down there are ticking clocks for both bb victory and imu destruction of the world

[wet condor]

lol who?

If you say Roger

I figured someone was gonna side eye Big Mom

[icy wolf]

all the people listed there are equal

cuz oda is a pussy

[hazy turret]

Shanks

[wet condor]

Lowkey... I kind of agree

[hazy turret]

BASADO

[wet condor]

Shanks deserves to get slimed out by Blackbeard if he's gonna be soft

[icy wolf]

shanks who took down loki is the bum here

clearly

[deep chasm]

yea

[wet condor]

I mean... to be fair... this is alleged

[deep chasm]

guys with all the loki glaze Loki may have not been lying when he said hes the sun god

[wet condor]

We never saw it happen

[deep chasm]

luffys the fraud

[ruby moat]

loki has way too much aura for shanks to have beat him legit

its not possible

[vital heart]

So do the staff that dont recognize you arent aware of the fact you used to be staff?

[mighty shell]

what if yasopp shot loki down

[vital heart]

Do you dislike any current staff? @deep chasm

[leaden rivet]

How much aura one has doesn’t matter when in front of the god king

[mighty shell]

meek is trying to start drama gaw damn

[deep chasm]

I mean idk

[leaden rivet]

If they can read English I suppose they’d see the retired staff role

[deep chasm]

most of them seem cool

[vital heart]

I wonder if there are any ESL staff in the server

[ruby moat]

loki is a DRAGON and hes BIG. no way shanks beat him.

[icy wolf]

i get it but idk how else loki is getting chained up besides getting his ass beat

[mighty shell]

oh for sure spins wheel of staff members arsal can't read

[icy wolf]

this is also like 99% how shanks became an emperor

[deep chasm]

shanks willl beat all fraud allegations

[hazy turret]

You didn’t need a randomizer to tell you THAT

[ruby moat]

did you see how big loki got? and the size of the explosion he made?

[deep chasm]

"Shanks talked to gorosei" PROVEN WRONG
"Shanks didnt fight kaido" EVIDENCE SHOWS A FIGHT LIKELY HAPPENED
"Shanks didnt beat Loki" JUST WAIT AND SEE

[vital heart]

lowkey I feel like a decent amt of ppl in the server cant read the series properly

Like

[ruby moat]

and u still think shanks beat him 😭

[vital heart]

They genuinely dont understand this series

[deep chasm]

of course

[vital heart]

Genuinely appalls me

[ruby moat]

yea but dude.. loki is so big.. like RLY big

liek RLY RLY big

[deep chasm]

this is true

[cunning narwhal]

shanks beat loki, but loki didnt go full zoan

[wet condor]

Realistically, Shanks beat him. I think the questionable part is whether he did it alone. I don't think it's some ploy by Loki and Shanks just given what Loki said to Shamrock

[deep chasm]

skill issue

[mighty shell]

mihawk cut that giant ass ice floe in marineford i don't think size really matters

[leaden rivet]

If I had to bet a good deal of them can’t read very well

[wet condor]

About how his bloodline has earned Loki's ire twice over or some shit like that

[icy wolf]

shanks getting help would be so ass

[hazy turret]

Always bet on Oda to glaze shanks to the moon and back

[ruby moat]

Shanks used his crew (each individual member is yonko level) to beat loki, he HAD to

[wet condor]

I don't care if he got help really

[mighty shell]

romania

[hazy turret]

Oh but fisher tiger getting help (from shanks) is just realistic

[leaden rivet]

Yes why would we miss a chance to dickride shanks some more?

[icy wolf]

exactly

lets keep glazing him

[ruby moat]

shanks probably had yasopp shoot loki down

[wet condor]

But Shanks glaze is a force to be reckoned with. I'm waiting for Shanks to prevent Loki from transforming by using his Haki domain expansion or something lol

[leaden rivet]

If shanks doesn’t at least solo the Blackbeard pirates I’m complaining

[vital heart]

Whos the dumbest staff member in your opinion?

[ruby moat]

shanks crew >>> shanks himself

[vital heart]

and why is it @scenic dirge ?

[leaden rivet]

Meek what exactly are you trying to do here

[hazy turret]

Evan

[vital heart]

Start drama

[hazy turret]

Loool

[vital heart]

Evan if youre reading this

Just know

[deep chasm]

this isnt absurd

haki above all

[wraith mantle]

need to find the meme pic of shanks putting on a leash on loki in dragon form

[leaden rivet]

Well

Let’s see

[icy wolf]

damn i would love a haki domain expansion so much that would be hilarious

[leaden rivet]

Joyboy’s sheer force of coc reset the gorosei’s trasformation

[icy wolf]

shanks being able to prevent df powers isnt even that crazy

[ruby moat]

with his "observation killing haki" that seemingly exists(?) but hasnt been shown in the manga, he probably could whip out a domain expansion

[hazy turret]

Maybe the anti-haki people were right

[leaden rivet]

And we know that shanks and Joyboy are comparable

[wet condor]

This is the easiest way for me to see him soloing lol

[leaden rivet]

Shanks also reset Greenbulls transformation

[hazy turret]

Maybe we need to revisit that debate arena topic

[leaden rivet]

So

Shanks coc may just be that powerful

[hazy turret]

Are devil fruit fights dead?

[stone terrace]

Not buying that shanks bridged that gap in 8 years

Ill have to see it to believe it

[deep chasm]

Shanks is the chosen one btw

believe it

[ruby moat]

i thought it was GB that shrunk himself after sensing shanks' crew

[thick mango]

All power systems are valid. The most threatening thing in the world isn't df or haki based but tech based. Franky just got an upgrade in the tech power system

[deep chasm]

nah

[vital heart]

LOKI IS THE STRONGEST IN THE VERSE - Socrates and Plato

[deep chasm]

its portrayed as if hes forced out of his form

and seems like hes somewhat paralyzed

[grand flower]

I’m telling you, Shanks cheats but by using Haki so you can’t even be mad

[ruby moat]

but.. the crew..

[icy wolf]

i got no idea how strong shanks crew is gonna be

[leaden rivet]

Transformation was reset before he even knew who was there

Shanks is just him

[icy wolf]

yassop nuking barto’s ship was kinda ridiculous

[deep chasm]

I think very strong but we probably wont get to see them fight tbh

[ruby moat]

damn. so many ppl told me that the only reason GB didnt wanna fight is bc of the crew. Had me rly thinking shanks' crew was all that

[thick mango]

The only two options is shanks and bb don't fight or bb wins. Shanks beating bb is off the table. Forget powerscaling, meta scaling bb cannot lose to shanks

[hasty sable]

Watched the first episode of love action season 2 and it’s good. Really good.

[scenic dirge]

Only if it’s OPPOSITE DAY 🤣

[leaden rivet]

Well I don’t think shanks beating Blackbeard is off the table

[ruby moat]

There can be defeat without death and i think ppl are forgetting that

[deep chasm]

I would iamgine shanks has the strongest set of 10 people of any crew

[leaden rivet]

If the fight goes how I imagine it, shanks will defeat Blackbeard but then Blackbeard will hold his friends hostage

[deep chasm]

but we wont see much fr

[icy wolf]

red hair pirates are almost definitely the strongest crew i think

[hasty sable]

We have to get out of L-Baf before we get to the good stuff like Shanks vs Teach

[mighty shell]

unsurpassable as long as chopper is on the crew

[leaden rivet]

And then Blackbeard will get a killing blow because the only way to defeat legends in one piece is through trickery

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-abbott-elementary-gregory-greg-abbott-gif-11973503723217435922

[thick mango]

It still undermines the luffy bb fight for shanks to have defeated bb first even if bb doesn't die

[ruby moat]

oh i was suggesting more that shanks loses but isnt killed

not shanks winning

[thick mango]

Oh sure

[leaden rivet]

Only if it’s peak Blackbeard

[ruby moat]

after all he doesnt have a fruit to be stolen

[thick mango]

The way I see it bb needs to continuing winning till he runs into luffy

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard almost lost to law in like the first attack

[thick mango]

Luffy needs to be the answer of last resort

[stone terrace]

Shanks losing and not dying would just be lame man

[leaden rivet]

I think that applies to a lot of characters but not Blackbeard

His hype isn’t based on sheer strength

He can lose but still win

[thick mango]

Almost is meaningless, especially w bb, it's all about winning at the end.

[stone terrace]

What is he gonna do? Get his df powers sealed?

[dark nymph]

BB is gonna kill Shanks

[leaden rivet]

Exactly

Winning in the end

It doesn’t matter if you got your ass beat and then made a tricky move to win

A win is a win

[thick mango]

If you mean he loses the fight but wins some greater objective I would still count that as him winning and defeating shanks

[icy wolf]

bb vs law was like a low diff fight

mid at best

[stone terrace]

Mid id call it

[mighty shell]

law did better than i would have expected

[icy wolf]

the only somewhat close call was blackbeard nearly falling into water which is really meaningless

[ruby moat]

shanks vs kidd was low diff, bb vs law was like mid - hard

[leaden rivet]

I mean that shanks defeats Blackbeard in combat but Blackbeard still kills shanks as a possibility

[thick mango]

The confrontation between bb and shanks can not result in a net negative to bb's goals to try and be really precise

[icy wolf]

shanks vs kidd is the most neg diff i’ve seen in my life bro

[leaden rivet]

I don’t disagree

[deep chasm]

seemed like mid dif to me

[icy wolf]

it was a one shot

[leaden rivet]

Nah neg diff would be if he like coc diffed him

[deep chasm]

but I think its worth mentioning kid is fighting (imo) the stronger yonko, and a yonko who is going all out from the jump to win

[leaden rivet]

He put some effort into that divine departure

[grand flower]

Nah it’d be fine if teach has a come up after

[deep chasm]

put kid in laws situation I think he'd also bring BB to mid dif

[leaden rivet]

No way that’s negative difficulty

[grand flower]

Teach’s thing like bitches said is every setback just leads to a come up

[deep chasm]

yea call it low dif

[grand flower]

I tried typing Burgess

[icy wolf]

lowkey feel like kidd wohld have done better

[grand flower]

Def mid

[deep chasm]

oh

[ruby moat]

nah he probably woulda just got his ship quaked and sunk

[deep chasm]

I mean idk about better

but why do you say that

[thick mango]

I don't think so but we in heavy speculation territory so every opinion is equally valid

[leaden rivet]

If Blackbeard vs Law was a 1v1 then Blackbeard would’ve drowned lol

[grand flower]

We’re talking about how that would look if done right

[icy wolf]

blackbeard is gonna do bad against opponents with super high ap like kidd

[deep chasm]

imo kid and law are equal, so besides matchup issues theyll do equally well/poorly in fights

[icy wolf]

cuz he takes moredamage cuz of the fruit

[grand flower]

Shanks stopping Teach from an objective can work if teach is able to achieve an even better one after it

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think kid and law are equal but that’s beside the point

[icy wolf]

if bb was in the situation shanks was in against kidd i think he would have been fucked

[grand flower]

It especially works becausw teach’s people himself have talked about how teach’s luck is that good

[leaden rivet]

I think kid does really badly against Blackbeard and law does much better against shanks

[ruby moat]

bb vs law started on the seas, bb's crew forced law's crew to move to land bc they were getting hit too hard on the seas (with a ship that was underwater so less vulnerable to quake attacks) . I think kidd gets his shit sunk by a quake before he can do much to bb

[grand flower]

Every time something knocks him a step back, he takes three forward

[thick mango]

My impression of the current state of the story is lots of boulders are gaining speed rolling downhill and a bb major setback is inconsistent with that understanding

[deep chasm]

Law just doesnt fight shanks but if he does try to attack the ships with a big attack

he getting one shot too

[somber flare]

Shanks could do the same exact thing to Law if he wanted to

[grand flower]

Which is why I’m saying it can work if he wins something better after

[deep chasm]

on flip side yea I think kid just does the same amount of well vs BB

[grand flower]

It’s consistent with what burgess said

[deep chasm]

land some good hits, shock BB a little, then get cooked later

[stone terrace]

If it was a 1v1 blackbeard doesnt fly in on a pegasus like a dipshit

Circumstances helped law there if anything lol

[thick mango]

I would say he needs to win by losing in the local moment. To lose and then have a big win in a completely unrelated conflict wouldn't be good enough

[sacred timber]

If it was a 1v1 it would be offscreen

[leaden rivet]

If it was a 1v1 probably couldn’t ambush law for a surprise attack either I suppose

[grand flower]

Why wouldn’t it if he ends up in a better position than he would have winning the previous conflict

Teach being able to turn a setback from Shanks into an even bigger opportunity for himself makes him look good

[ornate tartan]

Blackbeard has 2 broken devil fruits but blackbeard himself is not particularly a skilled fighter

[thick mango]

Cause I think a discrete unambiguous defeat by shanks undermines the eventual conflict with luffy, where I think it works best if no one had been able to meaningfully stop him up to that point

[ornate tartan]

most of his tactics is grabbing his opponent and shutting their df off

[grand flower]

I highly doubt that since he scarred shanks

[ornate tartan]

i mean we’ve seen him fight multiple characters in the story

[grand flower]

Again, if Teach is able to actively turn that loss into a better victory then it makes him look good by demonstrating his ability to make and seize opportunities

[somber flare]

The thing is Law might be able to survive a little longer than Kid because he wouldn’t be able to scare Shanks as much

[grand flower]

Making and seizing opportunities is what teach is already all about

[ornate tartan]

ace and law in particular did decently vs him

[grand flower]

Especially out of setbacks

[ornate tartan]

whereas kaido would’ve one shot both

[grand flower]

Magellan poisoning teach was a setback

[leaden rivet]

Ace did not do decently against Blackbeard

[grand flower]

The come up was recruiting Shiryu

[leaden rivet]

He got his ass beat so bad

[grand flower]

Teach lost Koby and Moriah

Come up was gaining Garp

[stone terrace]

Thats another mid diff fight

[icy wolf]

its weird blackbeard seemingly knows quite a bit about haki but we’ve only seen him use it once

[stone terrace]

Maybe low but we didnt see how the final clash ended

[leaden rivet]

Ace and Blackbeard would be a low diff if Blackbeard wasn’t holding back

[icy wolf]

i dont think it makes sense for blackbeard to be a haki man either

[grand flower]

He’s used it four times now

[icy wolf]

i only remember against s-hawk

[thick mango]

Could these events theoretically happen? Sure. I'm just talking in terms of what I personally think would be best.
And I think it's the simplest/cleanest if he just beats shanks. Defeating luffys mentor puts more fuel on the fire of that eventual conflict

[grand flower]

Sensed luffys Haki on Jaya

Sensed it again in impel down

Used armament on S-Hawk

Used Hao on Law

[grand flower]

I’m talking about how the story structure of that woukd need to look like for it to work because you said you don’t see how that would work

[icy wolf]

chopper sensed saturns haki on egghead

[grand flower]

That seemed to be animals ability to sense danger

Like when birds start flying away all at once and tsunamis coming

[deep chasm]

Okay so BB was much weaker when he fought ace and Kaido also failed to one shot law lol

[thick mango]

I would say bb has pretty much never had a complete loss like that and maintaining the record of that is valuable.
Even something like impel down despite being completely defeated in combat he still accomplishes his impel down goals. So even if bb loses I think he needs to ultimately succeed in whatever the fight was about

[deep chasm]

kaido and big mom for that matter

[ornate tartan]

big mom couldn’t put down kidd either

[sacred timber]

Kaido isnt even strong

[deep chasm]

yea

[ornate tartan]

he took at least 10 of her attacks

[thick mango]

I think shanks fully stopping him, preventing him from acheiving whatever goal, would be bad

[deep chasm]

right kid and law are pretty durable

[grand flower]

Laying down dying in a pool of venom was a pretty complete loss

Koby and Moriah getting entirely free is a complete loss

[thick mango]

well no because he still won what the fight was about |

[deep chasm]

so BB not one shotting law isnt rlly like an antifeat, other yonko have failed to do that

[thick mango]

he wasnt there for that one, thats a delegation problem

[grand flower]

He still lost valuables

[thick mango]

he got grap, it was neutral or even positive

[grand flower]

And that confrontation with Magellan ended with him dying

[grand flower]

That’s my point

[radiant rose]

Failing to one shot kidd is kind of an anti feat thou

[thick mango]

ok i dont think we disagree

[grand flower]

Every loss, he has a come up

A better ome

One*

[ornate tartan]

shanks just has way stronger haki then kaido

[grand flower]

Losing to Shanks can work, it just needs to lead to an opportunity he successfully seizes and ends up even better

It can absolutely work

[ruby moat]

In the long run Bb will regret the “trade” that was made with garp and Koby

[deep chasm]

🫤

[ornate tartan]

it’s not an anti feat kidd is strong

[deep chasm]

its just a matter of shanks having used more strength in one attack than kaido or big mom did

[radiant rose]

We can make the argument that kaido has a ridiculously op devil fruit which shanks doesnt have

[deep chasm]

on kidd

[grand flower]

Itll especially work because it retroactively makes Shanks stopping him a misplay on Shanks’ part

[thick mango]

cause like

• losing koby, still got garp. The plan maybe is stronger now. He did not fail in the plan
• losing to venom, he still got his recruits. The overall plan succeeded despite the failure

losing to shanks, imo he still needs to get whatever the fight is about. He cant lose, go home, and then succeed in some compeltely different unrelated way

[grand flower]

It’d be like Shanks claiming Teach’s bishop in chess

But that leaving teach open to making his pawn a queen

[radiant rose]

I think kaido could one shott kid

[grand flower]

He can lose one objective

And the come up be completely unrelated

It doesn’t really matter

[leaden rivet]

Kaido never hit mid with an acoc attack

[somber flare]

Kaido probably could

[leaden rivet]

So you can’t compare them

[grand flower]

Just needs to be a loss leading into a come up

[deep chasm]

yea he could if he really tried

[somber flare]

He would never want to is the thing

[deep chasm]

kaidos magma dragon shit at full force one shots kid

[grand flower]

He can lose Poseidon to Shanks and gain Pluton for example

[leaden rivet]

And big mom’s punches are weak

[grand flower]

Shanks being in FMI leaving Wano open or something

[leaden rivet]

And she doesn’t use acoc

[deep chasm]

but thats why people cant scale based off "one shots" without context

[somber flare]

I think most emperors could one or two shot almost every other character if they put their all into it

[radiant rose]

Big mom just relies on her homies too much

[deep chasm]

context is very improtant

[grand flower]

Easy to come up with examples where shanks completely stonewalls teach at something but teach comes out better

[deep chasm]

agreed

[ornate tartan]

true

[radiant rose]

But she is very much a freak of nature

[leaden rivet]

I doubt anyone is one shotting Kaido or big mom

[deep chasm]

well theyre also the peak of current day lol

[ornate tartan]

no one can

[deep chasm]

for the most part

[radiant rose]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-elizabello-one-piece-elisabello-one-piece-king-punch-one-piece-pica-one-piece-gif-24812110

[leaden rivet]

With the exception of Mihawk of course

[deep chasm]

but like, I could buy kaidos full force magma dragon could one shot like fujitora

[leaden rivet]

And shanks

[ornate tartan]

mihawk cannot one shot them either

[deep chasm]

despite that being a top tier

[leaden rivet]

I believe in him

[ornate tartan]

absolutely no one can one shot kaido imo

[radiant rose]

Only he can one shot yonkos

[somber flare]

Yeah admirals wouldn’t be excluded from that list

[radiant rose]

With his king punchh

[somber flare]

Only each other really

[thick mango]

I guess i just think the version of it where shanks stonewalls him is worse. And i also think the version where shanks even wins the fight but loses the objective is worse than bb just winning. If it were losing, say shanks is defending wano and pluton against bb, his loss should still end with acquiring pluton imo. The mroe indirect the subsequent succss, the worse it lands for me

[leaden rivet]

If Zoro with his fledgling armament can scar Kaido Mihawk could cut through his chest

[deep chasm]

hey man, keep the glaze coming and maybe loki can one shot kaido with his strongest move

[ornate tartan]

loki is another case

[radiant rose]

Zoros armament isnt fledgling

[deep chasm]

I dont think this is actually how that works but Im not sure if this is fully serious either

[thick mango]

I also think just having shanks out of commission is useful and good for the fnial war

[ornate tartan]

his scaling is all over the place

[soft tangle]

He eats kaido, literally

[leaden rivet]

Relatively

[radiant rose]

His coc is new but arms isnt

[leaden rivet]

He didn’t use acoc against Kaido

[stone terrace]

Kaido getting oneshot would have to be through hax not force

So boa

[thick mango]

hes too strong, he threatens to outshine a lot of the other characters. Having him recover from a defeat to bb is a very convenient way to solve that problem

[leaden rivet]

Mihawk’s armament is probably the pinnacle of this world

[radiant rose]

Yeah becs he cant really use it actively

[radiant rose]

Mihawk a bum

[leaden rivet]

Yes so imagine Mihawk

[ornate tartan]

now do u think this is actually going to happen lol

[leaden rivet]

I won’t say it’s for sure but I believe it

[deep chasm]

oda isnt gonna show off permanent wounds accurately. Realistically he's cutting similarly deep but somehow it would hurt way way worse

now hurt enough to one shot I dont think so

[leaden rivet]

Nah

[deep chasm]

but much worse pain

[radiant rose]

Loki can defo knock out a yonko

[leaden rivet]

Stronger haki is all about going deeper that’s the point of Luffy’s haki battle against kaido

Mihawk is cutting deeper and stronger than Zoro

[thick mango]

Again the think I started with is that bb will defeat shanks if not in direct combat he'll still defeat shanks wrt the objective. There are tons of permutations of how exactly that plays out

[deep chasm]

yes but oda isnt actually going to draw non regenerating people getting cut in half like that

[stone terrace]

How does kaido compare to an iceberg

[deep chasm]

the actual visible depth of the wound just isnt gonna be accurate

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-staring-looking-monkey-creepy-gif-8576505451678402494

[leaden rivet]

Whether or not he can cut him in half is one thing

[deep chasm]

Zoro cut pretty deep, doesnt impact kaido that much. Oda would say mihawk cuts deeper but the dude isnt getting cut in half, but it wiuld hurt way way more

[radiant rose]

I doubt he can

Kaido is one of the most durable people we have seen till date

[leaden rivet]

I’m not saying he’s slicing him in half like cheese, but I think he can cut him deep enough where he could die

[deep chasm]

I mean I already know the mihawk glaze around here is insane lately so if we agree its not actually cutting in half thats cool with me. If you think he one shots kaido off just pain/general damage sure

[ruby cape]

I mean the whole narrative of Kaido is to paint him as nigh indestructible

I get Mihawk is the strongest swordsman

[leaden rivet]

Ah yes it’s just Mihawk glaze

[ruby cape]

But one shots a bit extreme for someone with Kaido’s physicality

[ruby moat]

which kaido form are we talking

[leaden rivet]

My favorite word to downplay any discussion

[somber flare]

He could definitely slice him half if Kaido just stands there and takes it like a good boy

[deep chasm]

I think you misunderstood what I said

[radiant rose]

Kaido isnt getting one shot unless its by loki

[ruby moat]

bruh

[ashen perch]

Mihawk won't be able to oneshot Kaido even while he's asleep

[stone terrace]

Loki has lightning type advantage true

[ornate tartan]

only ryuma can

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gwyn-sunlight-spear-lightning-zeus-gif-18680745

[radiant rose]

That ragnir 𝕸𝖋 is crazy

[leaden rivet]

Sharp things are overpowered this is fiction love

[ornate tartan]

ryuma slayed the dragon 🐉

[ashen perch]

Illya how low are you rating Oden here

That's important

[leaden rivet]

I think oden is like as strong as like green bull

[deep chasm]

theres 2 discussions there

1. does mihawk cut him in half based on how deep zoro cut
2. does mihawk one shot kaido

I already know you probably think he one shots kaido because you think of mihawk much more highly than I do. Thats not a necessary convo rn. I intended to discuss the first point and see if we were on the same page that mihawk isnt actually cutting deeper to the point of accurately showing his advantage over zoro

[ruby moat]

if the discussion is base kaido then an unguarded kaido giving mihawk the perfect strike, i could see him killing kaido with one attack

[ashen perch]

We have seen one of the most powerful swordsmen ever fail to inflict damage deep enough to oneshot Kaido

[leaden rivet]

And Oden was going to takeout Kaido in that blow

No one can convince me he wasn’t

[ashen perch]

He was not

[mighty shell]

is oden stronger or weaker than loki

[leaden rivet]

He absolutely was

That was a shonen finisher

It’s clear as day

[somber flare]

He would’ve done nothing of the sort lol

[ashen perch]

Kaido was scarred but he had reverted to "human" form and was ready to go

[somber flare]

Sharp things are overpowered against everything that isn’t Kaido’s scales

[ruby moat]

hybrid form i dont think so, dragon form probably depends on if he hits the belly or scales

[radiant rose]

There is no way that kaido was going down that easily

[somber flare]

And buggy

[leaden rivet]

Everything about that scene hints that Kaido was going down

[stone terrace]

Sharp things are nerfed as hell in this series in particular

Unless youre a hk

[radiant rose]

Kaido was just upset over the fight being interrupted

[ornate tartan]

kaido knows oden would’ve ended him with that move

[deep chasm]

which is just the immotality tax too

[ornate tartan]

that’s why he’s in his top 5

[deep chasm]

youre immortal? usopp can destroy your entire top half with a mushroom

[leaden rivet]

Kaido knew for sure

[spice cairn]

I knew

[soft tangle]

Fake logias 💔

[leaden rivet]

Kaido was a dead man

Mihawk is doing Kaido so much worse

[ashen perch]

Kaido was mad that he couldn't fairly beat him, this was not a man who was worried about losing lol

[blazing depot]

But Illyase

[ashen perch]

Cmon now

[radiant rose]

I dont like how oda is just showing crazy damage whenever the fight is vs an immortal just to show off the regen. If that was a normal character that wouldnt happen

[blazing depot]

It is said that Kaido is the strongest creature ever

It is said they tried to hang him 40 times but he survived

IT IS SAID

[deep chasm]

I hate it too, but a very common thing in any anime or show with an immortal character

suddenly everything is deadly lol

[ashen perch]

??

What are you even seeing here

[deep chasm]

that mushroom could hit arlong and hed survive but it hits gunko and gunko is halved

[leaden rivet]

The shonen finisher subtext

[somber flare]

Oden was like the only person in that “top 5” that had absolutely 0 chance of actually defeating Kaido

[radiant rose]

Kaido took crazy damage and kept going in his fight with luffy so there no way he was going down that easily even vs oden

[soft tangle]

That wasn’t peak Kaido doe

[tidal ice]

truths oden glazers aren't ready for

[ornate tartan]

he tanked attacks from stronger characters

[leaden rivet]

Slashing attacks do more damage than physical attacks

[deep chasm]

he gave him a pity spot because he never gave him a fair fight

[ashen perch]

Kaido intended to attack Oden at that point, he intended to continue the fight, he was mad at Higurashi for ruining his fight

[deep chasm]

not in one piece I fear

[ashen perch]

This isn't a dying man

[mighty shell]

i remember complaining about this when sanji first got his hardened body and immediately got shot for the first time lol

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t say he was a dying man

I said he was going to die after Oden’s next attack

[radiant rose]

In op slashing and punching are relatively similar if the characters are relative in power

[somber flare]

Kaido hadn’t even pulled out hybrid form yet so he hadn’t even really started the fight yet

[ashen perch]

he was not, it was one attack and Kaido had barely even gotten started lol

[radiant rose]

Just like when roger and garp fought rocks

[leaden rivet]

I mean axe hand Morgan could slice through garps chest but I doubt someone of similar level punching Garp would do anything

[deep chasm]

pretty much, especially now that haki exists

[ornate tartan]

oden ate a divine departure and a quake punch from roger and whitebeard at their peaks

kaido can’t kill him

[radiant rose]

Kaido most definitely can kill him

[deep chasm]

yea but then oda shows that garp magically doesnt even feel the slash. This is what I was talking about with oda not being accurate with slashing depth vs damage

[leaden rivet]

Dragon is probably more durable than hybrid

[deep chasm]

he'll show a character get slashed but its as if theyre not even damaged

[urban lodge]

The way it was framed suggests Oden would have killed him

[deep chasm]

so it dont matter

[leaden rivet]

EXACTLY

[radiant rose]

Surviving an attack doesnt imply kaido cant beat him

[ornate tartan]

thank you as always

[leaden rivet]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who can see it

I thought it was obvious but I suppose not

[urban lodge]

I think people focus too much on meta things like "he didn't use his hybrid yet" when narratively I think that's what Oda was going for

[radiant rose]

Kaido was just pissed that his fight was interrupted

[ornate tartan]

yall lucky oden wouldn’t be oden if it wasn’t boiled😂 kaido wasn’t killing him

[ruby cape]

This shits so funny for what 🤣🤣

[radiant rose]

This oden glaze needs to stop

[leaden rivet]

If oden is slicing him like that in dragon form hybrid is getting even worse damage lol

[ruby cape]

Bro just brought up the catchphrase

[trim lily]

who up glazing they oden

[ornate tartan]

there’s a statement of post voyage oden being on par with roger and wb by the way

[soft tangle]

Hybrid isn’t getting hit in the first place

[ornate tartan]

someone find it

[radiant rose]

Show

[ashen perch]

this doesn't track with Kaido being pissed though

Statement 😭😭😭😭😭

I love statements

[leaden rivet]

Ah yes the invincible hybrid isn’t getting touched but he decided to be in dragon form because he was kind of enough to give Oden a chance

[wraith mantle]

is it just me or is one piece less exciting these days?

[trim lily]

feels the same as usual

[leaden rivet]

Elbaf is probably just more disappointing than you thought

[ashen perch]

Its you

[trim lily]

maybe even moreso

[leaden rivet]

One piece has felt the exact same to me since egghead

[ruby cape]

Break was tough on ya

You’ll be fine when the chap comes

[stone terrace]

The whole acoc and domi reversi thing is rather dull

[thick mango]

egghead cutaways were a SS peak it may never reach again but we're still in like A territory

[trim lily]

it’s fine to just not vibe with the current story sometimes

[leaden rivet]

And shitty regeneration

[ashen perch]

I'm the most excited I have been for the series since like Oden's flashback

[radiant rose]

Whats dull is all this regen and immortal shit

[wraith mantle]

meh, break was fine i am just lowkey not even looking forward to next chapter

just indifferent, if it comes it comes

[somber flare]

We even have a rerun of the same scene with Luffy who was not going to defeat Kaido without the interference

[ruby cape]

[radiant rose]

Its kinda meh

[thick mango]

the combat mechanics might be dumb but the rocks flashback, more info about imu and gods knights, and elbaf worldbuilding are all really good

[soft tangle]

We’re really gonna say the Kaido Oden fought is as strong as Luffy’s? 2 decades past bruh, the Hybrid Luffy fought is undoubtedly the strongest character shown in the series

[trim lily]

i’m glad more people are jumping in on the anti domi and regen train

i foresaw this very early on

[thick mango]

dragon in god valley was a pretty high peak for me

[ruby cape]

The domi shit with dead attacks being a counter mentioning it for the 500th time was ass I hope there’s a catch

[ashen perch]

There's been like 5 chapters since the flashback that everyone was glazing to the highest heavens alongside the arc as a whole, its very funny how quickly people lose it now

[ruby cape]

Imu just kill everyone honestly

[wraith mantle]

the flashback was great, but ever since we came back the series has had a dull tone to it

[ornate tartan]

man oden is a goat

[trim lily]

recency bias is a very strong drug

also didn’t the flashback end in like december

[thick mango]

if you just dont care that much how combat gets resolved theres tons to appreciate in elbaf

[wet condor]

Yeah. Sometimes you just have to be capable of reading between the lines. You can get hyper analytical and pick apart the entire sequence to argue that Oden had no chance of winning there but I think it's just clear that's not what Oda was going for lol. Even if you say that Oden wouldn't've killed Kaido right there, to say that Oden couldn't've possibly won I think is just a misread of the situation

[ashen perch]

That's like 5 chapters

But also

[trim lily]

it’s also 3 months though

[ashen perch]

Early January

[wraith mantle]

maybe its the excess breaks

[ornate tartan]

i think the only chapter that was really disliked arsal is the last one

and only because of the domi reversi thing

[ashen perch]

Which makes it even funnier

One chapter and people are losing it

[ornate tartan]

every other chapter ppl haven’t been complaining

[ashen perch]

They wouldn't survive Wano

[leaden rivet]

It’s such a great thing I never said that

[ashen perch]

Not even getting into the earlier arcs, which would actually instantly end them

[leaden rivet]

People are way too powerscaling brained

[soft tangle]

You imply Kaido had hybrid form

[ornate tartan]

all of the pre timeskip glazers who binged it and have it all available at the same time are funny

they wouldn’t survive it weekly i guarantee you

[leaden rivet]

bUt tHe fEatS suGgeSt oTheRwiSe 🤓

[dense marsh]

I wonder when will we see joyball in the Manga or anime

[coral vapor]

I actually do wonder how the reputation of pre timeskip arcs would change if they were all read weekly by the majority of the fanbase

[ornate tartan]

imagine reading marineford weekly

[soft tangle]

We all dropping at Alabasta

[unkempt sable]

[somber flare]

I don’t think there was any narrative implications that Kaido would’ve died to that

[thick mango]

i probably drop weekly syrup village

[leaden rivet]

Skypeia would be such a terror

[wraith mantle]

skypiea would get one piece cancelled

[coral vapor]

holy shit skypiea would've nuked the fanbase 😭

[wraith mantle]

i am actually surprised FMI survived

[ashen perch]

Oh for sure, the pacing is exponentially quicker now from then, those arcs would get hated lol.

Imagine Oda doing Long Ring Long Land in 2026? The fanbase would never recover 😭

[leaden rivet]

FMI survived because everyone was happy to see the post timeskip strawhats

[vital heart]

It's mid march. R u in a diff time zone than me?

Lil bro

[somber flare]

Its made very clear when also speaks of Luffy in that same way during their fight

[strong wadi]

When the best selling manga gets cancelled cause of FMI 🧘‍♂️

[leaden rivet]

And by then Op was way too huge lmao

[thick mango]

long ring long land is way overhated

[leaden rivet]

Syrup village is overheated

[thick mango]

its a lot worse in the anime but even then its still not that bad

[wraith mantle]

fmi into punk hazard

[ashen perch]

oh no I didn't mean that I dislike it personally

[leaden rivet]

Overheated

[wraith mantle]

thats adangerous stretch

[somber flare]

Pre timskip glazers need to be studied

[coral vapor]

it's not bad but the fanbase would've despised that shit nowadays ngl

[leaden rivet]

Pre timeskip was better. Every character is a worse version of themselves except like…..nope they’re all worse

[thick mango]

i do think prets is better than post ts but its not a fair comparison becasue the pre-ts has its climactic ending and the post-ts doesnt yet

[ashen perch]

I just meant that if it came out now, the fanbase would be genuinely considering jumping Oda

[leaden rivet]

But post timeskip has Wano and WCI so it’s no slouch either

[soft tangle]

Can’t believe people like clean paneling and a coherent plot 🤣

[ashen perch]

I love LRLL personally, a lot

[wraith mantle]

post ts has egghead too

[leaden rivet]

Egghead is mid tier

[wraith mantle]

wci into wano into egghead, great stretch

[ashen perch]

You're supposed to name the high points smh

[thick mango]

egghead is very high tier

[strong wadi]

Punk hazard overhated fosho

[wraith mantle]

fr??

[coral vapor]

what about dressrosa

[leaden rivet]

Dressrosa is mid tier also

[strong wadi]

fr fr, the 3rd/4th most overhated arc

[wraith mantle]

i reread it recently and i certainly dont like it that much

[ashen perch]

Dressrosa is peak

[somber flare]

Post timeskip has been so consistently better sorry

[leaden rivet]

Only high tier post time skip arcs are wano and WCI

[wraith mantle]

you dont think egghead was good? or was this in response to something else

[dapper tree]

Anime Dressrosa is Peak

[ruby cape]

the stuff with Law was fine of course but it ain’t allat

[mighty shell]

punk hazard is the middest op has ever been

[leaden rivet]

Egghead isn’t good it’s just ok

[ashen perch]

Its fine

[mighty shell]

it's not even bad it's just a nothing burger of an arc

[somber flare]

Punk Hazard is really like the only blemish

Everything else is at least B tier

[mighty shell]

egghead is my second favorite post timeskip arc after rereading last year it is incredible when you binge it

[urban lodge]

It made me drop one piece for 6 years from how peak it was

[dapper tree]

[leaden rivet]

One piece’s lowest is C tier which is arcs like FMI, Skypeia, Punk hazard and thriller bark

[ashen perch]

Punk Hazard is just I feel an example of a setup arc going way longer than it should have been

[mighty shell]

keep skypeia's name out your damn mouth

[wraith mantle]

interesting, i have egghead top 5

[leaden rivet]

HMMMM I WONDER WHY

[somber flare]

I still like punk hazard better than the worse pre timeskip arcs

[ornate tartan]

for anime watchers, dressrosa is probably the arc that made most people drop the series

[coral vapor]

I wanna say Jaya is underrated but I think ppl like it so

[wraith mantle]

thriller bark was a good arc

[ruby cape]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-smile-one-piece-kizaru-gif-1225799255781605304

[wraith mantle]

goooooat

[somber flare]

You couldn’t pay me to rewatch or reread thriller bark

[coral vapor]

tbf the ending is great

[strong wadi]

Punk hazard would be more palatable for the plebs if Zoro or Sanji had big fights, but they didn't so it's disliked. 😔

[ruby cape]

TB ain’t that bad i liked moria as an antagonist

[stone terrace]

Thriller bark was fun, not the greatest thing ever but not bad either

[vital heart]

It's cuz Oda loved to glaze Law iykwim. Fucking trash side character.

[ashen perch]

I think this would actually benefit from current Oda pacing, because he'd be more ruthless with cutting out the bloat

[ruby cape]

i didn’t like the sbs drop

[strong wadi]

the 2nd most overhated arc mentioned

[wraith mantle]

yeah brook singing, strawhats parting, kuma showing up

great ending to a good arc

[leaden rivet]

If I was told to reread Skypeia or drop one piece I might actually just drop

[ashen perch]

Meek do you have nothing valuable to say

[leaden rivet]

I skip Skypeia every reread

[urban lodge]

The only redeemable thing about Punk Hazard is how much it sets up

[leaden rivet]

Once Jaya ends it’s wraps

[wraith mantle]

moria as a character keep getting better and better, bro is luffy's bad alternative future

[mighty shell]

punk hazard has law and smoker being cool and i like those characters

[somber flare]

Stop calling mid arcs “overhated”. A good example of overhated is FMI or Skypiea.

[urban lodge]

And Caesar

But he's better in every other arc he's in

[stone terrace]

Skypiea is PEAK not mid

[wraith mantle]

only good thing about PH is Mocha

[leaden rivet]

Since we’re on about overhated arcs, there’s also overrated arcs like marineford,

[somber flare]

Thriller bark and LRLL don’t deserve that title

[ashen perch]

Punk Hazard would be well received if it was shorter honestly

[wraith mantle]

i need to rewatch/reread LRLL

[mighty shell]

long ring long land is funsies it is definitely the most overhated arc