also-manga

[ashen perch]

like thats one guy that I genuinely cannot even conceive of being interesting as a character

[trim lily]

the hilt/handle, the one thing everyone identified it by, literally just becomes different for a few panels in a chapter lmao

and it wasnt fixed in the volume either

[spice cairn]

He isn't suppose to be interesting Arsal lmao

[trim lily]

toei fixed it sadly

[fathom dirge]

hi

[muted hedge]

oh that's probably just Oda messing up

[spice cairn]

He's just a serial killer brute.

Literally given a fruit perfect for serial killing

[ashen perch]

the thing is, I could give him aura points before

[spice cairn]

Oda has no other plans other than making him a future obstacle

[ashen perch]

I cannot even give him that anymore

[trim lily]

feels bizarre that oda just forgot how to draw ethan's sword in the very chapter he name drops it

[unique lagoon]

oh yeah
it looks like fujis sword now

[fathom dirge]

ok

[ashen perch]

after how Garp did him, its really over

[fathom dirge]

gonna go now chat

[cunning narwhal]

its been a while since i read the chapter but for some reason i was saying he had a 2nd sword in the other end of his sheath

[fathom dirge]

seeya

[trim lily]

[cunning narwhal]

lemme go back and see how it looks like when he pulls it out

[trim lily]

double edged sheath

[cunning narwhal]

yeah exactly

[ashen perch]

he can just do this

[trim lily]

but its this chapter that zoro calls it kitetsu so it cant be that lol

[ashen perch]

tbf theres quite a lot of mistakes that make it to the volume, but they tend to be smaller and big ones are almost non existent

but I wouldnt be surprised if he could just do that

[muted hedge]

i mean it could be that Oda wanted to cut down on the details, though i think it's just him messing it up

[unique lagoon]

looks normal here

[trim lily]

yeah its just him messing it up

trying to wrap my head around how though

[ruby cape]

But aren’t the BB pirates like a narrative headache like I feel they should undoubtedly be important by EOS, Shiryu in particular being the one to stab Garp idk I think this guys underrated

[unique lagoon]

old

im just going to blame everything now on him getting old

[trim lily]

hes at the ancient age of 50

[ashen perch]

him stabbing Garp in a non lethal way despite being entirely invisible and having Garp totally distracted is just an aura loss

I wouldnt even call that a good Shiryu moment

its what killed his aura

[muted hedge]

Shiryu wasn't even going for Garp he was going for Koby

[trim lily]

its one of 3 shiryu moments

[cunning narwhal]

you can even see the hilt and pommel of his sword here. the guard is blocked by the clouds

[ruby cape]

[unique lagoon]

maybe thats why he made lokis dragon having less scales its all shiny lizard skin

guy cant be bothered to draw individual scales anymore

[muted hedge]

that's not the hilt, that's the sheathe

[ashen perch]

Nah I think its because he just likes the idea of an obsidian dragon that can literally cause a night through its sheer size covering the sky

[cunning narwhal]

the sheath doesnt have anything fancy at the end does it? i thought it was like fujitora's

[ashen perch]

It wouldnt make sense really, for a dragon like that to have details

[muted hedge]

it is

[obtuse perch]

same way the axes and swords got messed up in an elbaf chapter recently. could have been an aide, could have been from him being tired

[unique lagoon]

this part is great
you can still see the human form but the horse comes out of his chest

[cunning narwhal]

idk to me it looks a lot more like this than the end of his sheath

[obtuse perch]

sheathe is consistently shown to be wooden, that looks like a pommel with a wrapped hilt

[ashen perch]

catching errors in a weekly manga is pretty difficult, meeting the deadlines is hard enough alone so you get this sort of thing where the chapters dont actually get reviewed enough before publication

[unique lagoon]

good thing sanjis body is stronger than wapol metal

[muted hedge]

glad Oda confirmed that a devil fruits abilities and the way they manifest is dependant on how the user wants to use them

[unique lagoon]

yep

so theres hope for that sugar theory
it being used 800 years ago

the df i mean

[muted hedge]

not heard about that one

[obtuse perch]

croc calls luffy out for faking all his moves in alabasta and chastises him for relying on parlor tricks instead of putting thought into the use of his fruit.

his reward is the first instance of gatling

[unique lagoon]

iirc the fruit is not called toy toy fruit
but hobby hobby fruit
so it can be any hobby

[ashen perch]

well Imu could just perform a mind wipe like he did to Gunko supposedly, but there isnt really a need

[muted hedge]

oooh interesting

[unique lagoon]

well imu cant mind wipe all the poeple that interacted with you

[muted hedge]

yup

[unique lagoon]

in way sugars DF is more potent

[ashen perch]

we dont really know the limitations though

[unique lagoon]

you literally get wipe out of existence memory wise

you mean range?

this dint happen
But imagine if sugar df effect was used on joyboy back then
after he made all the glyphs ofc

so he will be only known through the glyphs

[obtuse perch]

also has more specific requirements so it's a fair trade imo. physical contact, have to give a contract or else the person will just fight against you and idk if sugar wins a fistfight fight against a human sized wooden toy if she doesn't provide herself protection

[muted hedge]

i wonder if there's a fruit out there which lets you do anything and i mean anything

[unique lagoon]

zunesha is the outlier i guess

[ashen perch]

yes, if his powers could affect the world then that essentially is the same thing as what sugar does

[muted hedge]

it lets you transform into whatever creature, wield any element shape the world as you see fit

[obtuse perch]

thats it

we just need tama to feed the gorosei some dango to chill them out, then usopp fires sugar out of a slingshot directly through imu's window for a tap on the shoulder

one piece solved, on to two piece

[unique lagoon]

yeah now what if another user of that DF is a haki man

that wont get ko from a goofy face

oh i forgot the DF also stops you from looking older?

[obtuse perch]

idk if it reverts to childhood or just freezes aging and she ate it young

i've always assumed the latter

[muted hedge]

she can still die, right?

from age i mean

[unique lagoon]

yeah think so

ai out here calling it "broken"

[obtuse perch]

pretty sure or else her fruit would be more in demand than law's

[unique lagoon]

silly lil thing

[obtuse perch]

no way the ai is being trained by power scalers 😭

[muted hedge]

i am intrigued to see what the former user of Law's fruit was capable of

[thick mango]

well its just trained by the internet. and power scalers exist on the internet

[obtuse perch]

it was imu

i thought this was obvious

[muted hedge]

it's not, since that would mean that Imu would've died

[unique lagoon]

maybe the former user was not a swordman

[muted hedge]

the one who does the operation needs to be sacrificed

[obtuse perch]

imu was the recipient. OH you said user, my b

[muted hedge]

i think a gunslinger would be sick

imagine shooting out pocket rooms from your pistols

[unique lagoon]

what if imu used this on the person with eternal youth
unlimited power hax

[obtuse perch]

i can imagine imu forcing a domi reversied slave into eating it and then doing the thing so it could have been anyone

[muted hedge]

i guess they'd have to have some medicinal knowledge to properly use it

[unique lagoon]

yeah the user needs to know how the surgery works

[ruby cape]

If a Domi slave with a fruit ate another fruit would they just turn back to normal

That’s just a deathly attack

[unique lagoon]

he can let someone eat it
brainwash them
Then train them for x amount of years

[unique lagoon]

your body blow up in the molecular level

[obtuse perch]

i will point out that we still do not have confirmation of what happens if you eat two. its still just rumors

[buoyant comet]

Wait I should ask it how Mihawk got a black blade

Nvm it gave me a boring answer

[ruby cape]

yeah I don’t reckon we’d see it tho tbh

like after being told this we’ll just stay on inquiring only one power so BB remains the sole exception. point of the narrative is he’s an anomaly

[obtuse perch]

sabo dies, luffy eats the mera mera no mi

i'm from the future i promise

[ruby cape]

[storm anvil]

luffy eats the mera mera no mi and instantly dies aswell

[dense haven]

yall liked the live action?

[prisma idol]

Ive read fanfic where luffy has different DF powers

[thick mango]

did kureha comment on the will of D in the manga or is that added to live action

[prisma idol]

I think the best one Ive seen is giving him Enel's fruit and when he got to vs Croc he turned that mf into glass

[storm anvil]

she did

[prisma idol]

She did yes, I cam find the page if you would like

[storm anvil]

that was the first mention of "will of D" pretty sure

[thick mango]

nah i believe you

[prisma idol]

Too Late

Ch 154

[storm anvil]

enel's fruit goes crazy with anyone ngl

[prisma idol]

They killed off croc, had vivi eat his fruit in a smoothie, then she joined the crew 😭

[obtuse perch]

i leaned forwards in my chair so hard

[prisma idol]

Sabo also has the ash fruit instead of possibly getting the Mera Mera later

[storm anvil]

one piece if it was peak

[prisma idol]

Oh yeah and Mrs. Valentine joined the crew

[storm anvil]

😭

[obtuse perch]

give karoo the fruit

[storm anvil]

why her of all

[obtuse perch]

vivi has her pinky spinners

[prisma idol]

They changed up how she used her fruit. She makes her limbs weigh less and then before they hit the target she increases the weight by a ton

I dont remember why she joined

I think it was some AU reason, like she was scared of being hunted down by a secret assassin org

^ That same org killed Mr 5

Just checked it seems the fic is at Enies now

[spice cairn]

Here's a better AU

[teal galleon]

Shiryuu >>>

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-dude-dad-pointing-at-son-get-a-load-of-this-guy-dad-gif-4361426973483450624

[teal galleon]

Shiryuu > teach > burgess > kuzan

[spice cairn]

Bait

Muk in a timeline where he liked Shiryu instead of Zoro:

[random cipher]

what's the worst op fanfiction you have read?

[prisma idol]

It was some edgy garbage I believe that followed an OP OC that got all the girls

[spice cairn]

All the girls?

[prisma idol]

It was so cringy

[prisma idol]

Mhmmm

[spice cairn]

Even Big Mom?

[random cipher]

a lot of them are like that too lmao

[prisma idol]

It was older than WCI

[spice cairn]

That's something

I assume Dressrosa era

[prisma idol]

OP doesn't have a lot of great fics. It has a good few good fics and a bunch of mid and bad fics

[prisma idol]

I think it was 2012

[prisma idol]

Note this is with my personal tastes. I dont tend to like shorter fics, and I'm 50/50 on angst fics

[spice cairn]

Angst in OP is amazing

[prisma idol]

Oh it can be great

[spice cairn]

Especially when written well

But surprise

Its not typically

[prisma idol]

I have read a good few slop OP fics. They are more fun/funny to read

[spice cairn]

I prefer it in fanart form tbf

[prisma idol]

Other series power

[obtuse perch]

oh i didn't realize that was a problem with all the other series discussion if there was no spoiler gif for fights, my bad

[stone tulip]

At least it’s an OC, some fanfics ends up doing Luffy being the one who collects the girls and act out of characters

[latent hamlet]

Arguably OC is worse because its pure self projection
Characters being not their right personality could be lowkey memey

[obtuse perch]

i've seen some corners of the internet treating luffy as an ace icon. him just not caring about anything beyond meat punch bad guy be pirate king is perfect

[celest mauve]

canon sanji would probably throw up seeing the fanfics people write of him 😭

[stone tulip]

I suppose that’s true

[stone tulip]

I suppose that’s true but all of these are headcanons for now

[obtuse perch]

oh hecc you think luffy and boa are gonna parallel rayleigh and shakky with luffy running up to save her after she gets captured

[celest mauve]

why are rayleigh and shakky always brought up as parallels when roger and gloriosa fit so much better?

and oda drew a scenario for hancock to get captured by blackbeard and yet made it about koby and later garp lol

[obtuse perch]

rayleigh is luffy's mentor

[celest mauve]

roger is the past pirate king and who luffy has always been compared to

[ornate tartan]

idk I think some people take shipping a little too serious

if u like something that is completely headcanon that’s fine, nothing wrong with it that’s the whole point

but then why are u getting triggered if someone likes something different then you😂

even with characters in general this happens

[celest mauve]

the lusan and zosan shippers on twitter are so territorial about it when canon sanji has gone on and on about how he doesn't like men 😭

like just take your headcanon and stop being a bitch if people don't like shipping sanji with whichever character

[fast pagoda]

Omg Aigis

[latent hamlet]

Its the rivalry attraction vibe that sells it to people i think

[fast pagoda]

I love the art you used for your banner

[ornate tartan]

i see it all the time

they always crying

[latent hamlet]

Like the "I fucking hate that shithead"
"He's trash. Terrible"
But guard each other to the death

[ornate tartan]

i be thinking they worship sanji

[stone tulip]

I don’t think Luffy is going to end up with Hancock at all

[fast pagoda]

This break week is so long

[latent hamlet]

If I had to pick 1 its luffy x nami
Partly because luffy cant go anywhere without her

Luffy without nami we'd be exploring west blue

[celest mauve]

opla is whatever, bring back the manga

[latent hamlet]

If he somehow got out of east

[ornate tartan]

there’s some sanji fans on twitter that borderline worship the guy

[fast pagoda]

Sanji fans are just as bad as Zoro fans now lol

Arguable worse

[ornate tartan]

if u say something bad about him they take as a personal attack

[stone tulip]

Some people are way obsessed with making ships canon when it isn’t necessary.

Like yeah I came to peace that none of the straw hats crew ships with each other will be canon (including the Vivi ships), but it won’t stop me from shipping it cause it was suppose to be fun.

[latent hamlet]

Is it a 4/10 whatever or a 6/10 whatever

[stone tulip]

Thankfully chapter this week, I will try to stay spoiler free this time unless the summary screws me over again

Nah that was reinforced in OPLA too

As one of the conditions for the series to be made

[fast pagoda]

Oda wont make any of the big ships canon anyways

[trim lily]

except one

[fast pagoda]

Except the Moby Dick of course

[ornate tartan]

almost over 🔥

[trim lily]

no need to state which, we all know

[fast pagoda]

I think Oda avoiding ships is so much better than making any couples with the main characters canon like many other shonens do

It makes shipping discourse a lot less toxic

[trim lily]

it also makes it kinda boring though

[celest mauve]

I wouldn't be surprised if oda makes some stuff canon at the end and just avoided it during the main story

[latent hamlet]

Ah
The Naruto method

[celest mauve]

like why would he want SH romance in the live action when the manga isn't over yet lol

[latent hamlet]

All the ships at the final chapter when they've grown up with kids

[celest mauve]

bleach and demon slayer did this too iirc

[latent hamlet]

Demon slayer kinda sorta
Bleach uhhh mostly just Ichigo x Ori and Renji x Rukia I think

altho I think some might still be peeved about bleach

[trim lily]

i think the only one piece ship i care about is luffy getting with no one

kizaru and akainu to a lesser degree

[latent hamlet]

Sanji x Pudding is probably the most plausible of the SHs

Usopp x Kaya is practically a given, shes literally just waiting for him to finish his run

[dark nymph]

Luffy and Hancock

[celest mauve]

only popular luffy ship confirmed to not be happening per luffy himself

[dark nymph]

thats why it'll happen

I don't think Luffy's going to be romantically involved with any SHs

[dark nymph]

my bet is this one or nothing

with nothing being my first bet

[dark nymph]

people are gonna recontextualize every single scene if he ends up with Nami or Vivi 😭

[celest mauve]

I don't understand, luffy rejected her twice and hasn't even been bothered to invite her to the crew, and hancock's love isn't treated seriously like pudding's love is for instance

oda hasn't done anything over the past 16 years to give them any kind of development, he even reinforced that the love is unrequited in a recent SBS

[stone tulip]

Honestly I think the story would end in an open ended thing

[stone tulip]

Oda himself confirmed that multiple time he wouldn’t no matter how fans tries to say otherwise

[celest mauve]

in general, hancock doesn't fit in luffy's long-term journey or life as anything beyond a friend with the way she's been written

[deep chasm]

idk the exact discussion but I think luffy ever will never find love or it will be with boa

[stone tulip]

Oda always intended these two be one sided anyways

[deep chasm]

like most likely hes just not getting a romance, but if he did I do think boa is top candidate

[celest mauve]

I will never get why so much confidence in boa exists when she's been turned down in canon lol

[stone tulip]

I think it would be with a random ass woman if it’s happening

Like keep it ambiguous

[spice cairn]

She loves him even despite that because this love is more than just romantic gag.

She is filled with admiration towards him

[stone tulip]

Although Luffy would go with a similar route as Shanks and Roger by adopting a kid instead

[celest mauve]

it's fine that she loves him but there is no reason for him to return that love when he clearly doesn't feel that way

[spice cairn]

She's ok with this because this is the first guy essentially who disregarded what many people see her as and looked past it.

[deep chasm]

idk man i think especially because of the whole luffy didnt even fall in love with boa thing

I dont think itd be a random woman

[spice cairn]

The love part is the meme but the storyline is very good.

[deep chasm]

cuz thered be too much of a question of what makes this woman so different that even luffy was attracted

so chances are hes lonely, but I got her as top choice if oda were to confirm hes getting with someone end game

[spice cairn]

Luffy is a lone man

[fast pagoda]

Its his bdayy

[dark nymph]

Luffy rejecting her doesn't mean much to me, he would reject anyone as he basically doesn't display any attraction for anyone in that way, but I do think that one day he will, probably a very late EOS thing.

The only candidate is Boa by default.

Plus I think it would be a nice contrast to Roger rejecting the previous pirate empress but Boa getting her way, like she's been through a lot she needs a monumental W and this is probably her only real dream

[deep chasm]

like strawhats is a no way, and then he just doesnt rlly have a relationship anywhere near romantic with anyone in the series. Boa has been turned down but at least theres a precedent that 1 of the two parties is interested

[celest mauve]

sorry but this comes across as making boa look pathetic and doing a complete 180 on luffy's feelings to give her a "pity win", I don't think it's a good message for a character who's meant to be this strong female leader

[deep chasm]

I mean if over time (probably would be completely offscreen) he falls in love with her hows that bad for boa

[celest mauve]

her only dream is to win over a man? yeah, I don't like that lol

[deep chasm]

good on her the man she wanted came around

[deep chasm]

thats like already a fact tho lol

like that is already her character

Whether she succeeds or not, her main goal and the main distinction of her character rn is loving luffy

[celest mauve]

yeah, it's pathetic and luffy has no obligation to fall in love when he's made it clear he's not interested in her desire for marriage

[deep chasm]

thats not something that gets any worse if luffy one day agrees

[deep chasm]

Okay but then what point are you arguing? Cuz that fact already exists so you would just dislike boa regardless..

[deep chasm]

And yes luffy has no OBLIGATIOn to fall in love

no one ever has an obligation to fall in love

its just hey man maybe one day he comes around

[spice cairn]

Tashigi baked this

[celest mauve]

what would boa do to set herself apart from everyone else in luffy's life and get him to fall in love between now and the end of the story?

and just saying "it'll happen offscreen" is lazy

[deep chasm]

I dont know, thats not really for me to figure out. It really doesnt matter. Oda can make luffy fall in love with whoever he wants thats somewhat close to luffy

[deep chasm]

blame oda for it lol

this is a lot of stuff I just dont have to explain

[dark nymph]

I think it moreso falls on Luffy's priorities changing in life after he achieves what he wants

[deep chasm]

like luffys love life, if he has one, is just something thats unlikely to be on screen

it doesnt matter if its boa or someone else

we're probably not seeing that

[celest mauve]

ok and I shouldn't have to explain why luffy ending up with hancock as things currently stand isn't good, he's turned her explicit desire for marriage down twice and she doesn't fit in his journey, he clearly won't settle down in one place either

[deep chasm]

Those are completely different things lol

The point is youre asking me questions that arent actually relevant to the question at hand, and I wouldnt need to answer because the issues that might come from them exist regardless

you hate boas character regardless

because whether luffy falls in love with her or not, her character is just loving luffy

so why would I need to dispute that?

[celest mauve]

I think she's ass but what does that have to do with whether she ends up with luffy or not?

[deep chasm]

Brother you brought it up

[stone tulip]

All of these debate on for Oda to possibly end the story the most open ended way possible

[celest mauve]

I've repeatedly talked about how luffy isn't interested

[deep chasm]

...okay

and you also brought up the thing about disliking boa

youve said more than one thing

so why are we acting like you didnt say it now

[dark nymph]

fr lmao

His cowardice will haunt us till the very end

[ornate tartan]

i think we will have a 1 chapter epilogue for the last chapter

after op ends maybe some light novels

[deep chasm]

Youve tried making multiple points, if youre gonna concede the other points and keep it to "luffy isnt interested" sure lets talk about that. But dont try to duck the breakdown of the other points but still act as if they help your point

[celest mauve]

my personal dislike of hancock isn't the basis of my argument for why she should or shouldn't end up with luffy, I could dislike her but if luffy actually said he's interested, then I'd accept it happening

[stone tulip]

Like it’s definitely Oda thing to do especially how he stated that he doesn’t want to write romance at all

[deep chasm]

Okay so we agree that was never relevant

we can move on from that point then

[celest mauve]

so why are you so hyperfocused on my dislike of boa wtf?

[ornate tartan]

2 chapters for op epilogue actually

[stone tulip]

Maybe epilogue but still open ended to the point we would never know who ended up with who

[deep chasm]

brother I just said we can move on from it then

youre the one making it difficult

[ornate tartan]

i just wanna see how the world turned out and how everyone is doing ngl😂

[celest mauve]

lmao no, you decided to make it difficult by bringing that up

[deep chasm]

it was your point gangsta

[stone tulip]

Okay things are being heated so let’s just move on

[celest mauve]

my argument has always been "luffy isn't interested and turned her down"

[dark nymph]

all that aside, I like LuffyxNami even tho I know it will never happen

[stone tulip]

Fair

[celest mauve]

idk laww always gets heated with me on anything I say

[dense haven]

things heating up in discordia

[deep chasm]

this is you, you follow it with "her only dream is to win over a man? yea I dont like that lol". I mentioned how this didnt help your argument. If you dont want to discuss it, we can always agree it wasnt relevant and move on. But ofc no one ever wants to just admit to things and move on

[stone tulip]

Still either way I think it better to end the discussion if you two keep going at it

[celest mauve]

I think they're definitely still going to be sailing together at the end of the story unless luffy dies

[deep chasm]

Okay, great, lets talk about that

[ornate tartan]

plus we can see how the world developed, all the nations and stuff like the all blue and other landmarks that was hidden under the sea it might be breathtaking

[deep chasm]

I personally think luffy is unlikely to get with anyone, but if he were to get with someone, itd be her despite him turning her down

[stone tulip]

Anyways change of topic and let’s acknowledge that once again Vivi is straw hat 🗣🔥

[deep chasm]

its not uncommon in shows for the character to come along and fall in love in the future

[dark nymph]

ye this is my take as well

[dense haven]

yall vote rocks

[celest mauve]

this was about me wanting better for hancock's character lmao

[dark nymph]

I wish I could vote for Ragnir

fuck this poll

[ornate tartan]

the turning down part was a viz mistranslation

in the actual japanese translation luffy said “im not getting married” period

[deep chasm]

Theres no real issue with Luffy one day falling for her either

[celest mauve]

idk what this changes because hancock constantly brings up marriage

so she's still not getting what she wants

[deep chasm]

its rlly just a matter of

1. Is luffy going to have a love life
2. If yes, is anyone more connected to luffy in a romantic way than boa

if not its probably boa

[inner agate]

Hancock is an awful person in general

[ornate tartan]

i just wanna see my goats living in peace

[dense haven]

so is luffy

[stone tulip]

I think it’s more about in general rather than just Hancock, but either way he won’t marry her

[ornate tartan]

and vivi leading alabasta

[deep chasm]

If you think luffy wont find love at all, thats fair, but if we're discussing under the lens of "who would luffy be with, if anyone"

then boa does make sense as the top option

[dense haven]

luffy doesnt need to find love

yall think goku found love

[celest mauve]

there's more romance to luffy trying to save sanji in WCI than in any interaction he's had with hancock (from his end) 😭

[deep chasm]

theres never any romantic connection implied with him and any other woman in the show from what I remember. And hes close to nami and robin but we can all agree hes not getting with them

[dense haven]

he just woke up one day and he was married with children

[deep chasm]

yes hes shown no romance to any woman

[stone tulip]

Vivi going towards Harald route where she visits each country to further diplomatic relationships between Arabasta and other countries (maybe straw hats would help with that)/j

[dark nymph]

yes Luffy will probably end up the same way 😭

[deep chasm]

so if youre just trying to say luffy probably wont find love I think most people agree

if youre discussing who is most likely of anyone, hancock is still at the top

[celest mauve]

he could find love, I just don't think it'll be hancock

[deep chasm]

Okay so who

[pine ridge]

could be vivi

[ornate tartan]

yeah that’s what she has been up to ever since she split up with the strawhats, strengthening her diplomatic skills

[deep chasm]

because for the time being at least we know one party likes luffy

theres no love coming from either side between luffy and anyone else

[stone tulip]

Yeah but she didn’t set sail to anywhere else until Reverie

[stone tulip]

Vivi is straw hat so that rules her out

[deep chasm]

is there any setup for that ? Vivi is important enough to the story so I wouldnt necessarily rule her out

[stone terrace]

@opcord should i get this

[pine ridge]

ehh she is and isnt

[celest mauve]

one of the straw hats, one of the princesses, or just nobody

[deep chasm]

Okay so we're discussing under the lens of if he were to be with someone

do you actually think hes getting with a strawhat though

I feel most people would agree thats very unlikely

[pine ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/gin-one-piece-gin-one-piece-baratie-blood-gif-27077910

[ornate tartan]

yea forsure, I think we are underestimating the potential of her importance in the final arc

[deep chasm]

Vivi is possible Id say

[celest mauve]

if I'm looking at the people luffy has the closest bonds with overall, hancock doesn't even crack the top 10, so that along with his canon rejections makes me think he won't be with her

[deep chasm]

Yes but Im just aksing about the people you think are possible

[celest mauve]

vivi is a much better option

[deep chasm]

because yes theres reasons to think its not boa

but theres reasons to think its not anyone

[stone tulip]

Well former straw hat who has the chance of rejoining the crew again

[deep chasm]

and rn we're discussing who the top options are

If youre all about not showing love, luffys just not shown romantic love to anyone

Vivi I think is an option, I dont think robin or nami are options

[celest mauve]

he's going to be sailing with his crew at the end unless he dies, so why is it a crazy take to you that it could be a straw hat?

[stone tulip]

Yeah at least she is most likely setting sail again and most likely be the one who spreads the truth out after Robin discovers it but who knows why is she that important

[deep chasm]

Rebecca is too irrelevant and shirahoshi is like luffys sister or something

[stone tulip]

There is also another possibility of disbandment though

[celest mauve]

and what's he gonna do in that scenario without his crew?

[inner agate]

if Luffy gets with anyone it should be Marguerite

[deep chasm]

I think the nature of his relationship with his crew is meant to be him seeing them all equally. I dont think one day hes gonna have a different kind of love for one person on the crew compared to others.

ALso with them consistently being side by side, if oda did want something to start, he'd probably give you hints about that

[dark nymph]

Oda told the LA crew to add that dinosaur scene with Vivi, he's trying to prepare us for it

[inner agate]

https://tenor.com/view/margaret-marguerite-amazon-lily-one-piece-gif-5427549700781493898

[stone tulip]

Chilling somewhere on a island or something but either way i personally expect it to be an open ended one

[deep chasm]

I mean even if he is still on a crew, he can just have a wife on some island

I dont think him roaming seas with robin and nami is any more evidence hed get with them

[ornate tartan]

not relevant enough and with the existence of boa would never happen

not bad but extremely unlikely

[deep chasm]

what matters for the purposes of the story is what you see. If it was meant to be luffy x a strawhat, I believe you'd be seeing hints for that since pre timeskip

[inner agate]

ya never know

[ornate tartan]

yeah that’s true

[celest mauve]

I just don't think this is true with how luffy interacts with some SHs more than others, he'd die for all of them but he's not equally close to all of them if that makes sense

[deep chasm]

I think theres no way luffy would ever say or think he cares for one strawhat more than the other

and maybe it doesnt seem so on screen, but he probably does consider himself equally close to all of them

like oh Ive known x longer than y sure, but hes not gonna say yea I trust sanji more than I trust brook

[dense haven]

he spend like 3 arcs without talking to franky

[deep chasm]

or I care for nami more than I care for robin

I dont think you should take just how many interacting moments there are between luffy and each crew member as relevant tbh. Thats just on oda for not showing off certain members as much as he should

[inner agate]

how long were those arcs in actual time tho

[deep chasm]

currently, I only see Boa and vivi as viable options if he were to get with someone

maybe some other character is revealed in the future, but its just them rn

[scarlet nacelle]

i don't see the straw hats getting any new members

[deep chasm]

Admittedly I dont remember alabasta perfectly, so someone could tell me if theres any signs of vivi and luffy being a possible match, otherwise that one is pure speculation too

[pine ridge]

akainu will join

[inner agate]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-is-real-vivi-fr-bro-gif-12861991152389350692

[deep chasm]

funny enough it would be an oda type thing to have luffy get with the one girl (on the weaker side) that hes punched

[celest mauve]

this probably means nothing to most people, but oda has endorsed a spinoff featuring characters named luffy and nami in love, and nami is someone who luffy has promised to keep happy (to genzo) along with stuff like giving her the straw hat for comfort multiple times or saying he won't sail without her as far back as baratie

so if I had to choose someone who luffy would feasibly spend the rest of his life with, it would be her

[ornate tartan]

too late in the story for that i agree with u

their last hope for a new member is loki

[inner agate]

Vivi had a lot of development with Luffy but I don't remember anything alluding to them being a match

[celest mauve]

I would've liked them together more if she stayed

[deep chasm]

yea I dont think that matters either. Like I just dont see any value in whatever spinoff that is.

So just on the topic of the conclusion. You think luffy is gonna be saying yea I care for nami more than robin? I dont see him saying that, nor even saying Im closer to nami than robin. Like I said maybe on screen interactions can seem inbalanced, but youre not gonna hear luffy be like yea Im not as close with franky as I am chopper

[inner agate]

I always thought Koza was her best option

[deep chasm]

and if oda wanted luffy x nami to be end game why not start throwing hints in the story in some of the past 1100 chapters

going on 1200

[celest mauve]

same, kohza felt like the obvious choice

[celest mauve]

I mean I could similarly ask you why oda made luffy reject hancock 16 years ago and give no development on his end towards her

[inner agate]

luffy x marguerite will be endgame anyway

[celest mauve]

I'm not even saying luffy and nami will 100% be a thing

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/shanksthesun/status/2026772483962028055?s=46

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X · Feb 25, 2026, 9:33 PM

[celest mauve]

but I think nami, as well as vivi and even marguerite are likelier options

[ashen perch]

the secret option is the most likely one actually

just Oda inventing a character, on the spot, at the end

nobody who Luffy has ever known or met prior to the end

[pine ridge]

portgas d bouge

[celest mauve]

why not just keep luffy single atp lol

[ashen perch]

exactly

[celest mauve]

the adventures of monkey d. buffy?

[ashen perch]

it will be sequel bait, they'd hunt down Oda if he didnt drop it in

[celest mauve]

probably

[ornate tartan]

shueisha holding on to this series with a death grip

future of weekly jump looks bleak without one piece

[deep chasm]

I think thats a great question, and the answer if he were to put them together is that he just wanted to do almost like a tsundere thing (obviously not exactly) where the character A comes around after a long time of character B being in love.

But I think that alone means theres a precedent set for the idea of luffy x boa. Hes never done anything to even put luffy x nami into the atmosphere

[ornate tartan]

they gonna milk it somehow

[deep chasm]

again Im discussing this specificially saying hey if luffy were to be with someone whos the top option

[leaden rivet]

No match is ever alluded to

[deep chasm]

everyone can agree theres a good chance he just stays alone

if not that be the most likely

[inner agate]

I physically can't imagine Luffy ever being in love

[deep chasm]

but if oda was planning a romance, I think boa and vivi are more likely

[inner agate]

Yeah

[leaden rivet]

I honestly see Hancock as 0 chance

It’s just not going to happen

[celest mauve]

I personally think luffy promising nami's father figure to keep her happy and saying he doesn't want to sail without her means more than "I'm not gonna marry you! Thanks for the food!", but that's just me

[deep chasm]

if he wanted it to be a strawhat, thatd mess with the dynamics imo, and it begs the question why hes never given any sort of hints of them getting together

[ashen perch]

can't wait for Oda's chief assistant that we have never heard of before to suddenly pop out after the series ends

[deep chasm]

Yea these are completely different things

luffy is closer to nami than he is boa

[leaden rivet]

The thing with Hancock and Luffy is that they spent so much time together, that was the time for Oda to hint something after Luffy left her

It’s not going to happen

[deep chasm]

that doesnt mean theres more precedent for love betweren them than with boa

[celest mauve]

one is commitment and the other is rejection

[leaden rivet]

Hancock is Luffy’s good friend

[inner agate]

Have faith in luffy x marguerite

[deep chasm]

how close you are with someone and how likely you are to get together is very different tera

[leaden rivet]

And that’s all she’ll ever be

[deep chasm]

One is youre my friend and I care a lot about you, same as he would do for every strawhat

yes it means more for their general connection than what he has with boa

[celest mauve]

I know, and usually when someone says "I'm not gonna marry you", it means they won't get together with that person

[deep chasm]

Right

I think we all are aware of that

so whats the point

[celest mauve]

so why does it mean the opposite to you?

[leaden rivet]

This is evidence to their ship

The fist of love is a family trait

[deep chasm]

I think thats kinda unnecessary strawmanning

[celest mauve]

you keep touting boa as an option despite her being rejected

[deep chasm]

Im not gonna marry you does imply they wont get together. In a discussion of whos gonna get with luffy we're talking about all unlikely scenarios

[deep chasm]

so thats not the same thing as me saying "Im not gonna marry you" = I will marry you right?

[leaden rivet]

However

I do think that Hancock and Luffy is more likely than Luffy and Nami, at least in this point in the story

[celest mauve]

you keep presenting hancock as an option while also apparently agreeing that "I'm not gonna marry you" is rejection, so which is it?

[leaden rivet]

Because their is attraction involved, it’s one sided yes, but one sided attraction is greater than attraction that does not exist

[deep chasm]

do we not see how the strawman is kinda stupid here lol

Im not gonna marry you is rejection

[pine ridge]

if we consider the fact that luffy's bloodline has lasted since the beginning of life, luffy is very likely to have a child

[deep chasm]

do you think two people have never gotten together despite one rejecting the other in the past

[pine ridge]

his bloodline is very old

[deep chasm]

not even gonna wait for an answer, Im sure you could recognize that it doesnt mean theres 0 chance

[leaden rivet]

I’m going to be so disappointed if Luffy ends up getting married and having kids

[deep chasm]

so I dont know why youre trying to act like this is an entire contradiction

[celest mauve]

because something would've changed to make the pairing happen, which hasn't happened with luffy and hancock in the 16 years that have transpired since return to sabaody

[leaden rivet]

Hancock x Luffy is maybe the worst ship in one piece to me

My hate for that ship knows no bounds

[deep chasm]

Yea man its rlly not been 16 years for them and theyve not exactly been around each other much unlikely certain characters

[leaden rivet]

The only ship I hate just as much is Sanji and Nami

[deep chasm]

so oda could probably have them develop something over the next 10 years of his life when hes PK or whatever instead of the few months where hes not seen her

Still not getting where you determined I contradicted myself

[inner agate]

Same

[leaden rivet]

Hancock is so unbearable when she’s around Luffy

It’s always a hard read

[celest mauve]

oda had a two-year timeskip to serve as an excuse for luffy to spend time with hancock while training on amazon lily, and yet he chose to have them mostly separated and have one of the first things luffy say to hancock after the timeskip "I'm not gonna marry you"

[deep chasm]

luffy spent two years training

so like yes

[dense haven]

why do you hate love

[leaden rivet]

I am team Luffy dies alone

[deep chasm]

oda also had many many arcs to make any sort of hint of luffy x nami

and he didnt

so like I said we're debating inherently unlikely things

[leaden rivet]

But if a ship is to happen, which I hope it doesn’t, I would prefer Luffy and Vivi

[celest mauve]

I've never once said they're going to 100% be a thing btw

[inner agate]

I liked the reason she fell in love with him but it made her lose aura doing allat for a man

[leaden rivet]

Especially since it’s a nice parallel with Joyboy and Lili

[deep chasm]

nor did I say that you said that

we're losing the plot

you are here arguing its more likely than boa x luffy

so thats the topic

[celest mauve]

yeah it is, because luffy actually wants nami with him on his journey

that's how I see it

[deep chasm]

ok so then we should probably stick on one point at a time lol

[celest mauve]

I even see luffy x sanji as more likely for similar reasons

[deep chasm]

now we're going back to this thing

[deep chasm]

see now we get to being disingenuous lol

and hey if youre gonna argue its not, you got it ig

[buoyant comet]

I didn't know you were a shipping daughter

I thought u were a fellow powerscaling son

[ornate tartan]

debater😂

[celest mauve]

I don't really care dude, I see hancock's love treated like a joke, luffy turning her down multiple times, not even inviting her to the crew, clearly having stronger connections with the straw hats and other characters, and so I don't think luffy x hancock is ever happening and believe that others in his life are likelier options based on stronger bonds existing with them

[deep chasm]

😭

[celest mauve]

I can powerscale if the topic comes up, I'm not as into it as I used to be

[deep chasm]

it always gets here somehow

be disingenuous and act like it doesnt matter to be disingenuous

I cant rlly have a debate if you dont care to be genuine in it

[celest mauve]

ok I'm disingenuous, why waste time engaging with me in discussion then lol

we never see eye-to-eye anyway

[deep chasm]

seemed like you werre being genuine up til now

so why wouldnt I

[celest mauve]

you called me disingenuous and I said I don't really care in response to that, and I then laid out a summary of how I feel about luffy's possible love life, that's it

[deep chasm]

yea so Im just commenting that it always gets to a point where someone will act like being disingenuous is okay

[sturdy steeple]

Hey does anyone like One Piece

[deep chasm]

Youve given me how you feel about his love life, thats what we'd been discussing, just gets a bit weird if youre gonna say something we know you dont believe

[deep chasm]

yea 8.6/10

[sturdy steeple]

That’s pretty low :c

[deep chasm]

what would you rate it

[celest mauve]

do you even know what the word means? I haven't been dishonest in forming my arguments

[deep chasm]

put your hand on whatever you believe in and tell me you think its more likely oda would write that luffy will marry sanji than it is luffy will marry boa 😭

[celest mauve]

I think they're equally likely, which is to say zero chance of happening lol

[deep chasm]

well no, you said more likely

so lets stick to that

[celest mauve]

you're asking me to be completely honest so that's my answer

[deep chasm]

so you were dishonest when you said more likely

[celest mauve]

probably should've elaborated by saying if sanji was a woman

[deep chasm]

but hes not

[celest mauve]

oda won't write a gay couple

[deep chasm]

hey so now that its cleared up

[leaden rivet]

Ah yes my favorite part of discord discussion, the part where people argue about the argument they had

[deep chasm]

arguing he'll be with nami cuz nami is on his crew doesnt rlly work when he sees all of his crew the same

If you can give evidence he plays favorites I would want to see that

[celest mauve]

I don't think luffy has ever actually said this lol

[deep chasm]

Sure

is there any evidence he doesnt see them equally

[leaden rivet]

Well I think it depends Laww

[deep chasm]

like do you think luffy would ever say I trust chopper more than I trust jinbe

or Im closer to sanji than I am brook

[sturdy steeple]

8.7

[celest mauve]

he treats zoro and sanji as more dependable fighters, he spends more time with usopp as friends than with brook for instance, there's clear differences

[deep chasm]

[leaden rivet]

Luffy obviously won’t end up with a man, so there’s 2 woman on the crew. And if I were a betting person I’d say Nami is more likely than Robin.

[celest mauve]

why does he need to outright say it? he shows he's closer to sanji than brook based on his actions

[leaden rivet]

And given we know Luffy values his crew above all else, and he’ll likely stay with his crew to the end Nami isn’t a ridiculous endgame choice

Though Luffy ending up with a straw hat I think doesn’t happen

[deep chasm]

More dependable fighters because they are more dependable fighters, says nothing of his bond with them. Thats like saying if I ask my artist friend to do a painting for me Im showing a different bond with them than my other friend whos never painted in their life.

We barely see interactions, maybe he has different dynamics with sytrawhats, but its never implied hes closer to one or the other. Same way I can make great laughs with certain friends but wouldnt tell them things Id tell a friend I just chill out with

[celest mauve]

if I see several interactions between luffy and zoro for instance while also seeing luffy not having a conversation with franky for multiple arcs in a row, why is it a crazy thing to think luffy is not equally close to everyone?

[deep chasm]

I think if oda intended for that to be end game, he would have shown some hints for that within the past almost 1200 chapters. And I still believe the idea is luffy treats and sees them all equally. You always have different dynamics with different people, but I do not think luffy would ever say yea I care more for x than y

[deep chasm]

I think thats just misunderstanding their character and bond then lol

thats an issue of oda not showing off franky enough

maybe because franky isnt as strong, so we cant have moments where franky fights alongside luffy like zoro does for example

but if oda wanted you to think luffy is closer to x than y, he could make that apparent to you

instead luffy pretty consistently treats them all the same

[celest mauve]

no I don't think it is, I think luffy cares for everyone and would die for everyone but it doesn't mean he sees all of them the exact same in terms of friendship

[deep chasm]

him talking to x in more scenes than y doesnt really matter

[leaden rivet]

I think you can value your friend and your lover the same

[deep chasm]

It means he cares for them to the same amount and is close to the same extent

[leaden rivet]

I think Luffy can at least

[deep chasm]

he can see zoro as a better fighter and maybe usopp has better jokes

it doesnt mean hes gonna ever say Id choose to save zoro over sanji

[leaden rivet]

They’re all of the utmost importance to him, Luffy being in a relationship with one of them doesn’t change that

[deep chasm]

hes gonna treat them all equally

[leaden rivet]

Eh this is a shonen

[deep chasm]

Maybe, but it still means for example, he has a love for nami that he doesnt have for the rest of the crew. Whereas currently, he loves them all the exact same way

[deep chasm]

?

[celest mauve]

I did say he would die for all of them, I don't think his friendship with robin is as strong as his friendship with usopp as another comparison though

[leaden rivet]

I mean in practicum that romance is is the least important thing

So lack of hints isn’t a strong argument

[deep chasm]

Yea I think thats just not true. Give luffy the "robin and usopp both about to die, you can only save one" do you think hes actually picking one?

[leaden rivet]

Because he doesn’t care about it for now

[deep chasm]

he can think usopp is funnier

at the end of the day he cares for them equally

[deep chasm]

Okay but this is a 1200 chapter show

if oda wanted it to be end game

[celest mauve]

no he won't pick, but in a casual setting he's probably going to seek out usopp to goof off with and not robin as his first, second or even third choice

[leaden rivet]

That doesnt mean that he would choose one over the other

[deep chasm]

he can surely write a few moments over 1200 chapters to show they will be together

[leaden rivet]

A love for a mother is different from a love for a partner (to most people) that doesn’t inherently mean that they’d choose one or the other despite having different loves for each other

[wanton sundial]

most likely he tries saving both but ends up saving neither

[deep chasm]

And he'll seek out robin to do certain things with unlikely usopp. I keep saying this, all youre describing is him finding usopp funnier. You dont have certain friends you find funnier even if theyre not necessarily closer?

[celest mauve]

exactly, I'd give myself up if I had to choose between my mother and my girlfriend

[leaden rivet]

He could but he hasn’t, and I don’t think it’s a good argument to say that because he hasn’t it won’t happen because the way the story is written

Shonen romances in epilogues aren’t a rare thing

And any hint of romance could distract from what Oda wants for the story

[deep chasm]

Sure, Im still saying rn he sees all crewmates as friends, and so he loves them platonically equally. Bring in romance, theres a love for someone the others dont get. Regardless, I think more importantly oda couldve given you hints over 1200 chapters lol

[celest mauve]

I do, I'm not talking about myself though I'm talking about luffy and how much time he's been shown spending with his crewmates

[wanton sundial]

i hope there isn't any romance anyway in one piece. not suitable for the one piece fanbase

[deep chasm]

I think its a good argument to say that because he hasnt, it is very unlikely

[leaden rivet]

Well yes but there’s no implication that romantic love displaces how he values them all the same

[wanton sundial]

romance is a foreign concept to one piece fans

[deep chasm]

shonen romances in epilogue also usually involve two characters who were hinted at being together lol

[leaden rivet]

At the end of the day a romantic partner is just a friend you’re intimate with. She’s still going to be Luffy’s friend.

[deep chasm]

maybe you have some exceptions

but all the ones off of my head were hinted at before this epilogue

[deep chasm]

Yes...and the point is that it goes for luffy too. Him thinking usopp is funnier so maybe he'd go to usopp to make jokes doesnt mean hes actually considering himself closer to usopp

[leaden rivet]

Maybe sometimes, but I don’t think it’s strange or a strong implication of otherwise

[celest mauve]

like here's a question, would luffy choose sabo or zoro if he had to save one of them, or would he offer himself up if that was an option? zoro is his friend while sabo is his brother

[wanton sundial]

offer himself up easily

[deep chasm]

if rn he loves them all in X fashion to a degree of 100. And tomorrow he loves nami in X fashion to 100, but also Y to a degree of 100, thats something the others dont get.

[deep chasm]

Thats not even a maybe sometimes

thats the usual thing

[celest mauve]

he clearly loves both in different ways though right?

[deep chasm]

and Im only saying usual because I dont know every single example off my head so Im not going to make an objective statement like that lol

the vast majority of cases are showing you epilogue romances that had hints towards it within the main storyline

[wanton sundial]

clearly yes but luffy has always been the self-sacrificial type to try his best for the people around him, case in point enies lobby or sabaody

[leaden rivet]

Love being different doesn’t make it inequal

[celest mauve]

yup, fully agreed

[deep chasm]

And if anything, if you write 1200 chapters of no sign or thought of romance, then we cut to epilogue and theyre together, that'd just be a bit shocking lol

[lofty fern]

I would say he would offer himself up instead. However, if he had to choose one, he'd choose Sabo because of past trauma and would trust Zoro to be able to free himself

[wanton sundial]

yeah that's a suitable answer

[leaden rivet]

Luffy is at the point in the relationship with the strawhats that he’d do anything for them, there’s no going past that. So him loving Nami romantically doesn’t change or make it inequal to the rest

And yes Laww you’re right

[deep chasm]

Luffy would offer himself yes. The point Im making can be shown by another example. Ask luffy if hes closer to zoro or law, I think he'll happily and honestly say zoro. I dont think you could ever get luffy to say "yea Im closer to zoro than robin"

or any other scenario

[leaden rivet]

Most shonen romances do have some implications prior to the epilogue

[deep chasm]

he can say "zoro stornger than sanji"
"usopp funnier than robin" etc.

Those are not at all the same as "I am closer to and or care more for this crewmate compared to this other one"

[leaden rivet]

I am anti all these ships I don’t know why I’m defending Luna

[leaden rivet]

I also do think that any Luffy ship is unlikely

[deep chasm]

so I think because we have pretty set dynamics of the strawhats, and its been 1200 chapters for oda to EVER show a hint of luffy x nami, and hes chosen not to, I think thats even less likely than the other option in question ->

Boa's been rejected, making it unlikely, but at least theres a precedent , a thought in the air of a luffy x boa. And shit, one party of the two is in love.

and like I said earlier, vivi is another viable option imo

but its just boa and vivi imo

[wanton sundial]

luffy x buggy

[lofty fern]

I would think that if Luffy did fall in love with Nami and they became a couple, his love for her would and should be stronger than that of the rest of the crew. It would be like asking if Gaban loves his wife and son more than Roger and Rayleigh. I think there's a good chance.

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think Luffy is anything like Gaban. And I think in Luffy’s character it makes sense that he values them all equally romantic relationship or not. I can’t say the same for Gaban, since we don’t know much about him.

[deep chasm]

I dont think hes like gaban either tbf

I just think theres a lot of intentionality in how luffy is with the crew

I think the whole idea is these are my 8 friends and I will do anything for them

but hes never seen robin and nami differently from the others

[wanton sundial]

there's more similarities with gaban and sanji

[lofty fern]

I think we know enough about Gaban to know who he loves more. As for Luffy, for him to really be in a romantic relationship his mentality would have to change, so I'm factoring that in

[deep chasm]

us finding out he sees nami romantically, ehhh

[lofty fern]

Luffy as he is now, would not make a good romantic partner for anyone

[deep chasm]

i think its fine if yall dont see it this way ig, but i think you kinda ruin some of what makes the strawhats special if he sees any of them as more than just his best group of friends

[lofty fern]

That does make me think. Looking at Luffy's reflection in Roger, I wonder if Roger had to pick between his crew or his wife and son, how would he pick?

[deep chasm]

I feel he is going his family

[scarlet nacelle]

nami doesn't see him romantically either

[deep chasm]

I mean all of the super willful characters will never actually pick, but if you could fully convince them theres nothing he could do, I think hes picking his family

[lofty fern]

I think they might if presented with an impossible option. Like when Luffy ultimately chose to go after Ace rather than head out to find his crew. Or like how Gaban had to choose his son's life over winning the fight. Having a strong will can only take you so far. But it is a nice thought experiment

[verbal tiger]

In the next plot twist we find out that:
Luffy and vivi are reincarnations of joyboy and nefertari bibi and they were lovers

[deep chasm]

hey maybe

I wouldnt rule it out

so I assume we'll see the void century flashback, I rlly hope we see the first world 2 tho

I think void century is 2nd world so Im worried we wont ever see what first world was like

[verbal tiger]

First world is now 2026

[mighty quarry]

First world info has got to be on the moon

[verbal tiger]

The one piece is that piece of paper oda just yeeted into the ocean

Oda just connected rl with manga world

Now THAT'S a dream

[blazing depot]

I’m still holding onto my bet that the First World is the real world tbh

It’s gonna be CRAZY

[lofty fern]

If this ends up being one of those "this fantasy world is actually our world but in the future" twists...that would be the interesting cliche

[blazing depot]

I mean it’s interesting since technically “our world” was two apocalypses ago

[scarlet nacelle]

how'd the earth size increase by like 7x then?

[blazing depot]

Ok do you think Oda does math

[dense haven]

everybody knows oda can't count

[pine ridge]

do we know the size of the op planet

[scarlet nacelle]

the series DEFINETELY ending in 5 years guy

[dense haven]

about as big as your mom

[scarlet nacelle]

yea, five

[lofty fern]

He'll do one of those things where the planet doesn't recycle any of its land so it just keeps getting bigger during continental drift.

[mighty quarry]

There's never been a confirmation how much bigger it is than earth

[verbal tiger]

Our current size is Loki's current size

[mighty quarry]

But this guy on reddit did some math

[verbal tiger]

Earth didn't become bigger. Humans became smaller

[scarlet nacelle]

so 3 who knows

[mighty quarry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/m8nbuv/how_big_is_the_world_of_one_piece_i_did_the_math/

[scarlet nacelle]

the admirals are all like 10 feet tall

[verbal tiger]

I just said that we are the size of loki

[lofty fern]

Considering the size of the things we HAVE seen and the recorded size of objects, its definitely bigger

[mighty quarry]

Yeah it is

How much, we don't know

[scarlet nacelle]

wait i get it

[maiden charm]

Isn't it like 30 earth's can fit in the blue planet

[dark nymph]

Loki would eat Onigashima

[mighty quarry]

No?

You couldn't fit 30 earths in 2.7x planet size

[dark nymph]

ngl I thought it was way bigger

[mighty quarry]

It's just that one guy and his math

But 2x to 4x makes sense

[maiden charm]

The reason why it asked is because I saw a completely different calc that scaled it way bigger

[mighty quarry]

You have to realise that just 2x planet radius is gonna enlarge the surface area by a whole lot. 4 times the surface area, to be specific

[maiden charm]

Plus 2x4 times the size doesnt make much sense considering it has 4 planets or moons? orbiting and one of them has their own moon

[pine ridge]

yeah this is just based on baseless assumptions

[flint girder]

per usual

[mighty quarry]

Number of moons doesn't really matter. You could be in a outer orbital radius and have more moons

[ruby moat]

The one piece world is thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis big

[pine ridge]

assuming the op world is 69 times the size of earth I can conclude the op world is 69 times the size of earth

[lofty fern]

Well, you can also judge from the size of the moon that Enel goes to. In order for the planet to keep a satellite of that size within its gravitaitonal pull the mass would have to be several times bigger

[hot cairn]

this has been a pretty long break

[lofty fern]

I haven't even noticed it what with the LA release

[mighty quarry]

Yes. And again, if you 2x the radius, the volume of the sphere becomes 8x

[lofty fern]

Still working through that

[mighty quarry]

2x makes sense

[rich hornet]

Aight watched opla. I laughed, I got chills with Luffy on the platform. What I didn’t expect is buggy’s actor channeling the ghost of mr Lahey

[lofty fern]

Buggy in LA isn't Buggy. He's blue haired Joker

[rich hornet]

He’s fun though

[lofty fern]

So is Joker

[pulsar path]

Wow he had the liquor in him huh

[ruby moat]

True opla buggy has women thirsting over him and is like a real person

One of my friends got into one piece thru opla and when they told me buggy was their fav character I was like oh great he’s awesome but then she told me it’s bc he’s hot

[lofty fern]

He's very much channeling the Hamill Joker. When he was doing the court scene, I instantly remembered BTAS

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-guilty-judge-youre-guilty-gif-22097418

[grand flower]

I went to a screening of OPLA S1 once

And there we audibly swooning at buggy’s crotch shot

[rich hornet]

He knows those shit hats are up to something

[grand flower]

Me too

[ruby moat]

Buggy has the women all over him you’d think he’s the method man

[grand flower]

Only problem is I’m not drinker

Drunker

[lofty fern]

I think LA Buggy is considered hotter than Shanks which is totally topsy turvy

[pulsar path]

Lmao a true Randy bobandy

[ruby moat]

Yea for sure

[lofty fern]

As for Luffy, the scene on the platform actually made me cringe. His delivery sounded really off. I think Inaki does better when he's not trying to be Luffy. When he IS trying to act like Luffy does in the manga, it comes off as forced and off. He should do what the rest of the cast does. They don't force themselves to fit the mold of the originals but are rather otherworld facsimiles

[ruby moat]

Yea that scene felt off to me as well. In the manga it felt like the smile was more of a “I’m gonna die, oh well” while in the live action he went half insane with laughter

[rich hornet]

No I very much agree. When Iñaki is on screen and tries to do actual Luffy stuff I just try and imagine like anime Luffy or soemthing

[lofty fern]

Seeing the AceReplacement Sabo before Ace was surprising and sad

[mighty quarry]

Idk why the can't say monkey normally

Why is it MONK-ey

[pulsar path]

I gotta say I noticed this

They seem to be focusing the live action sometimes on what it would be like with the Japanese dub

They use the anime voice cast

[ruby moat]

Oh yea they mentioned Nika which was interesting

[pulsar path]

Dead as lip matching for other languages

Twice and a carving

[ruby moat]

Oh I must not have gotten to the second or carving yet

[pulsar path]

My bad 😬

[ruby moat]

All g idc about spoilers for it

[lofty fern]

I've only gotten to episode 2, I'm going through them slowly

[ruby moat]

U can rly tell when it’s being made tho, like how it’s a recreation of the early story but clearly made during a time where the story is wayyy more developed

[pulsar path]

I think they mention sun god but don't say Nika before they say Nika

Like in a scene before

[ruby moat]

I know dorry mentions sun god Nika in the first little garden ep

I think it was the first atleast

[pulsar path]

One time as sun god than before they fight

[rich hornet]

I’m loving how whacky the background characters are. Is refreshing when the main cast don’t stick out like a sore thumb. They are even kind of reserved in comparison

[mighty quarry]

First one is just sun god

Second mention is sun god Nika

[hot cairn]

you can tell Buggy’s actor loves his job lol

[pulsar path]

Did they show smoker grab them or did they get away

Like if we follow the canon we won't see him again till impel ,😭

[rigid chasm]

wilt, bam, kobe

ts so peak

[dense rapids]

Who’s bam

[strong wadi]

2️⃣5️⃣🌚

[pine ridge]

one is not like the others

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-furious-spongebob-upset-teeth-gif-18364114

[deep chasm]

bam...

[spice cairn]

Finished PW4

Time to dick around with the dlc characters now

[pulsar path]

Wait it's crazy that that's the same developer as pokepia🤣

I think I'm around dressrossa in that game

[spice cairn]

Interesting

Beautiful things are happening im the PW4 discussion forum

Oh I didn't even notice thst

Here's a better example

[still mason]

Where's the fifth digit on his hand

[trim lily]

only a knifeful

[pulsar path]

Ai

[spice cairn]

Why

Why not Iceberg's hamster

[signal fiber]

Dane Cook as Iceberg I just heard

[dense haven]

[spice cairn]

Thank you

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1238393006731849733

🏴‍☠️ようかん🍒 (@yohkn3)

ラフィットさんお誕生日おめでとう👏🎉🎊🍭✨

vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 13, 2020, 9:14 AM

[proud pivot]

You bastard

You made me wanna vote

[vapid flower]

[proud pivot]

What's the link

[vapid flower]

https://tenor.com/view/863-matthias-863check-pins-check-pins-matthias-check-pins-gif-25299095

[spice cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2032894383368851802

Maki ! ! (@makiisbrainn)

Very old Bonney art I never posted
(first one is late 2024 and the second one is somewhere near nika bonney anime relase)

vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 14, 2026, 6:59 PM

[proud pivot]

Stand ready, Kyodai

[vapid flower]

JUSTICE

[spice cairn]

HOLY SMOKES

[proud pivot]

L. i am pretty sure Oda San wrote Sakazuki fully expecting his readers to hate him

[royal orchid]

wow I haven't seen a vk.com link in years for some reason

maybe I just don't follow enough russians

[frail kindle]

damn, imagine being flagged as a spammer

[proud pivot]

If Oda can love Akainu I can love him too

[prisma yacht]

this is wrong btw

[rich hornet]

Her existence itself is very funny if not a little uncomfortable. Something about a relationship between an adult and child where the child has to act in an adult capacity, it borders on creepy territory

[cosmic hamlet]

I recently found out that monet is sugar's elder sister

[shadow python]

Other way around i believe. Sugar should be the elder sis

Actually no, Sugar is way younger than i thought

[rich hornet]

Older than she looks but not that old

[rich hornet]

It wasn’t a major detail. Just some cool world building to make Doffy’s crew that much more cohesive

[shadow python]

I like Doffys crew

[rich hornet]

Me too, they had protagonist vibes if only the guy they centered around wasnt a sociopath

But they had mad devotion same as SH’s for Luffy

[analog folio]

Where oficial colored manga comes from? I mean, oda colors it?

[cosmic hamlet]

No, monet is eldest

[cosmic hamlet]

Was it revealed in manga?

[cosmic hamlet]

They are pretty good except some obvious boring characters like diamante

[cosmic hamlet]

No, viz staff will color it

[analog folio]

They have a schedule? I mean, 1 volume evey 3 months or something like that

[cosmic hamlet]

No, they release a big bunch together I think?

[analog folio]

Alr

Ty

[cosmic hamlet]

They release 3-4 volumes at a time but there is no consistent schedule

Volume 99 (colored 9/2/22, original 6/4/21)

Vol 100-102 (colored: 8/2/24)

Vol 103 & 104 (colored 12/4/24)

Vol 105, covers chapters 1056-1065 (colored 4/4/25, original 3/3/23)

Vol 106 (colored: tba, original 7/4/23)

[sudden dock]

You know what's sad we haven't seen any new logia devil fruit in like forever

[cosmic hamlet]

We did

Forest logia and soot logia

[sudden dock]

@cosmic hamlet right forgot about those

[cosmic hamlet]

With so many zoans and mythical zoans being released. Compared to that logia and paramecia are lacking

[sudden dock]

Yup

[long basin]

enel may return

[cosmic hamlet]

Didn't he make an appearance in wano and never revealed?

[analog folio]

Ty

[long basin]

some say it was Oden's sister, forgot the name (just woke up) but I do not believe it

[sudden dock]

Say could pizarro of the blackbeard pirates take over the red line

[long basin]

or Pica

[cosmic hamlet]

Oden's sister?

[long basin]

momo's

[cosmic hamlet]

It probably has its restrictions on how much land it can cover?

[sudden dock]

I mean if blackbeard is already invading mariejois this could give him an enormous advantage

[cosmic hamlet]

Why would she hide though?

[sudden dock]

Or maybe the red line is actually a living being laying dormant

[long basin]

don't know what that means, I just want Enel back

[sudden dock]

@cosmic hamlet to ensure the continuation of the kozuki line

[cosmic hamlet]

If he comes back, i want him to be involved in story. Like he must have a lore. Not just as another luffy or strawhats opponent

[long basin]

he may join VP though

[cosmic hamlet]

I meant why would she hide from scabbards when healing them during the raid

[cosmic hamlet]

Lilith?

[formal wagon]

bumzuki line

[dense haven]

yall liked the live action?

[pulsar path]

No cus I'm pretty sure that's why no chapter

[dense haven]

true

oda's biblical greed is ruining the manga

he only thinks about hollywood now

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-bat-17th-gif-13240294700788867153

[pulsar path]

You did hear that Oda is changing the designs to live actions characters right? Manga is changing to inoki Luffy and wit piece and elbaf will both be in this style

[stuck void]

Wtf kind of bs is this

[cosmic hamlet]

No thanks

[pulsar path]

Man y'all didn't hear the news than huh

[mighty quarry]

Sounds like fake alarmist news

There's no way he'd change the main manga

[pulsar path]

Yes I was jesting with spice

[cosmic hamlet]

You can't bait me

[stuck void]

Our goat oda would never

[pulsar path]

Im not lmao it's not realzy guys

[stuck void]

Ts cant be real twin

Why take ussops long nose away

[rose rune]

real

[pulsar path]

He changed it once!

[stuck void]

Where could i read up on it if you dont mind

It wouldn’t matter all that much but its just a nostalgia thing yk

[pulsar path]

You mean him changing Usopps nose?

It's like I think sometime between like alabastaba d water 7 kinda when he changed chopper too I think

[stuck void]

Well changing the whole crew

[pulsar path]

He went from bb nose to Pinocchio

Davey D. Usopp

[cosmic hamlet]

He is asking for the source of this #also-manga message

[pulsar path]

It twas a joke

[cosmic hamlet]

Will imu involve in the next chapter?

Imu has been in the side lines for quite a few chapters now

[pulsar path]

I wonder if it will be another SUPER week

[cosmic hamlet]

I expect it to be a transition chapter

Nothing note worthy, just small progress on all fronts

[cosmic hamlet]

I miss franky pre ts

Nostalgia merchant

[lofty fern]

A thought. What if Brook gets DR'd? It would put a bit of a crook into the "just kill him" idea and it would allow Brook to at least have some insight into what could have happened with Gunko.

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't expect any of the strawhats to get DR'd

We don't even know restrictions of who can get DR'd or if there is even a restriction

Did dorry and broggy killing themselves and returning back to normal had a backlash on imu? Like when harald died?

If yes imu cannot carelessly use it on anyone.

[dense haven]

I also dont expect it but it would be cool if imu turned usopp

if oda was a good writer he would turn luffy and make him fight the strawhats

[pine ridge]

fr

I think it'll happen in the final war

zoro and sanji will have to prove themselves worthy of being the wings of the pirate king

[jade rain]

We have 1150 chapters of them proving that, no need for an extra reason

[cosmic hamlet]

People are expecting that loki will turn but i doubt

[cosmic hamlet]

A freedom devil fruit user turning by DR? I don't expect it to happen

[pine ridge]

I almost want to see imu win just to see what everyones domi reversi forms look like

[pine ridge]

I dont buy the whole nika fruit giving immunity thing

[cosmic hamlet]

I would like it if dorry and broggy death had a small backlash on imu. So imu cannot carelessly use it on everyone

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't expect luffy to turn DR people into normal but atleast he should be immune to it

[pine ridge]

I do think the type of person to awaken the nika fruit is less likely to get domi reversid but nothing prevents it from happening

[cosmic hamlet]

I think imu have to conserve some energy to do it.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense to not use DR on everyone?

Against more powerful users it requires more energy. Hence imu only used on rocks and the energy ran out.

In elbaf multiple giants are turned because they might require less

We did get hints about limitations of imu on contracts and how imu needs time to gather some power.

Imu would want to conserve as much power as she can for the upcoming war she is predicting to happen

[pine ridge]

yeah there will be some critical limitations on it but I don't think anyone will have an outright immunity to it

[cosmic hamlet]

May not be immunity but the amount of power needed to use DR on them would defer based on how powerful they are

Makes sense because the more powerful they are, the more dangerous the DR will be

[pine ridge]

if imu could turn rocks, he can turn anyone

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah but that will restrict imu to use it only on one person. The backlash could also be more if they are defeated. I'm assuming imu received a backlash after rocks was defeated hence didn't interfere further in god valley. But the last part is just speculation from my end

[dense haven]

imu will mog luffy soon

yall aint ready

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm expecting imu to run away

[pine ridge]

yeah but the important part is that luffy can be domi reversid and I think imu will do it if given the chance

[cosmic hamlet]

If it do really happen, i doubt it will happen in elbaf. Maybe in final war

But i could be wrong

[shy monolith]

Do yall think Koby will become on par with Luffy?

[pine ridge]

that's what I'm expecting. it'll be the straw hats' ultimate test

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah, in elbaf I'm not expecting any strawhats to turn DR

[dense haven]

yes

everyone doubted garp was rogers equal too

[shy monolith]

no... NO...

no way

😭

no way

[cosmic hamlet]

My speculation is that

After all the domi reversi giants get defeated, imu will receive a backlash and will be forced to unsummon from gunko. I don't know what happens next but thats the extent my brain can think

[shy monolith]

Maybe Shamrock shows up

saves Gunko

then gets out

[marble fractal]

wait if dorry and broggy undid the domi reversi by giving themselves fatal injuries, how are rocks and harald dead.

did i miss smth?

[shy monolith]

well uh

Garling killed Rocks

after Domi Reversi wore off

[pine ridge]

rocks was killed by garling, harald was never domi reversid

[shy monolith]

oh wait oh yeah

[marble fractal]

oh wait. i fergot about that

[shy monolith]

Harald was a HK

[marble fractal]

k thx. i forget these things. thx 🙂

[prisma yacht]

imu receives a backlash bcs the dr giants get defeated? is this what u mean

[cold steppe]

It's clear loki is getting the domi reversi

[frail kindle]

the backlash only happens when people that get the covenants are killed

not domi reverse

[graceful grove]

^

[buoyant comet]

No one and I mean NO ONE WILL BE ON PAR WITH EOS LUFFY

Oh yeah we're getting spoilers after tmrw that's great

[grand flower]

All went thru different methods of being cursed

[prisma idol]

it isn't...

[grand flower]

Ofc

[buoyant comet]

It's not break week anymore

[prisma idol]

I would say clear. It could still go 50/50 it depends if oda wants to throw us into despair or just keep riding the hope train that we currently are on

[buoyant comet]

Really?

[grand flower]

It’s not great, they mean

[prisma idol]

Oh I was saying spoilers bad

[buoyant comet]

EOS Koby on the same lvl of EOS Luffy?

[maiden charm]

Nah

[grand flower]

Our adventure started with Luffy and Koby setting off on parallel paths

[buoyant comet]

Ah mb sorry misunderstood

[prisma idol]

He should be around that level

[grand flower]

Koby is the closest thing we have to a deuteragonist

[buoyant comet]

Narratively they're gonna be equal but like strength wise?

[grand flower]

Ya

Koby is pretty damn strong

[prisma idol]

Koby is literally the MC of his own story with that crazy amount of growth

[grand flower]

You could compare him to Dressrosa Luffy rn and he’s only gonna keep growing rapidly

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s why I said he’s the closest to a deuteragonist

[buoyant comet]

Zoro is out deuteragonist, Koby is just luffys parallel on the marines he's not the 2nd ain character of the show respectfully

[grand flower]

Zoro is a secondary protagonist

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes, just like how when harald got killed imu received a backlash. Similar way when DR characters gets defeated or killed imu will receive backlash although might be less compared to contract based like harald. However i think the stronger character get DR'd and defeated the stronger backlash.

Thats my speculation

[shy monolith]

Within two years went from perhaps the weakest known character in OP to a threat on the level of Jack or Doflamingo

[buoyant comet]

I don't find it possible for KOBY to be able to match Luffys devil fruit powers plus his insane haki.

[shy monolith]

real quick name me two arcs that Zoro accompanies Luffy as the other main focus of the arc

[grand flower]

Koby is the deuteragonist because the change of the World Government and the Navy is the second biggest storyline that will happen with the One Piece bein found, and Koby is the MC of that story

[shy monolith]

Koby eats Buddha

[cosmic hamlet]

As far as we know, because we never saw imu after DR people get defeated. So its my speculation, not confirmation

[prisma yacht]

[grand flower]

Koby has the best growth rate

[buoyant comet]

I'm pretty sure it's literally stated that Zoro is the deuteragonist of one piece

[prisma yacht]

we see imu after dorry and brogy killed themselves...

[grand flower]

He’ll do it with Haki

[grand flower]

I don’t think he ever has been

[shy monolith]

can bro prove ts

[prisma yacht]

koby is him

[frail kindle]

if imu receives a backlash every time a domi reverse victim was killed, that would be one of the stupidest abilities to use on a mass scale like in elbaph

[grand flower]

Oda has said basing Zoro off Ryuma makes it feel like Zoro is a second main character becausw Ryuma was once the main character of his own story

[buoyant comet]

Getting ryou in 2 years isn't as impressive as Zoro getting ACOC in 2 years.

[cosmic hamlet]

I just checked the chapter, I don't see imu

[grand flower]

But looking at what a deuteragonist actually is, it’s Koby

[prisma yacht]

forgot the imu pose scene?

[grand flower]

It is when Zoro has been a talented fighter training for at least 14 years and Koby has no talent and has been training for 2 years