also-manga

[fringe escarp]

Do NOT make me mention examples because it goes down hill fast

[tulip sinew]

They cut jupeter
They blocked and pushed other gorosei

Which is more than enough feat

[fringe escarp]

Cutting or damaging a gorosei or any immortal isn’t a W

[dense haven]

even usopp did that

[fringe escarp]

Blocking a featless attack from a gorosei due to size isn’t a W

[unique lagoon]

nah its fine they big brute warriors that can be tanky when oda wants them

[fringe escarp]

That wasn’t tanking

They didn’t get hit to begin with

They blocked one attack then ran LMAOOO

[tulip sinew]

It's a w regardless not everyone can cut them

Do you think fodder giants can cut jupeter

[fringe escarp]

literally ANYONE can cut a gorosei

[fringe escarp]

YES

[tulip sinew]

Nahhh

[fringe escarp]

BONNEY STABBED ONE

[unique lagoon]

this was funny tho

damn she pretty strong

[fringe escarp]

No shot she broke his weapon

😭

[unique lagoon]

i forgot how many giants nasujuro slashed also

[fringe escarp]

Damaging any immortal with the single exception of Warcury isn’t a feat

[unique lagoon]

we talked about this
her haki is basically sharp attacks

clean cut

she was prob the strongest VA there basing on what ive seen

[fringe escarp]

If base Bonney could stab a gorosei, if Kuma could deck one with raw power and destroy their physical form completely, if USOPP could nuke gunko

Dorry and broggy cutting ju Peter ain’t shit

Blocking isn’t shit either

If they managed to take a direct blow with zero injuries or barely any damage

That’s a feat

[tulip sinew]

Bonney got haki

[unique lagoon]

still crazy how this regen buff makes their body brittle like that

its smart and lame at the same time oda invented

[fringe escarp]

Is this like

A W bro

Fodder kuja pirates do too

[tulip sinew]

haki isn't a W ?

[fringe escarp]

No it rlly isn’t

For her age it is

[dense haven]

I mean considering half the shs dont have it

[unique lagoon]

how does oda decide when a HK body gets holes or just look like a normal punch

[tulip sinew]

Bonney isn't fodder like kuja pirates ?

[fringe escarp]

You specifically credited haki as the reason

And yes base Bonney is ass

That’s why for every single fight she transforms

[tulip sinew]

Base bonney soloed all Marines fodders

No diff a va

[unique lagoon]

why dint saturn face got shattered
how many layers of haki is needed

compare to luffys

[fringe escarp]

Did you see what happened to his body after

[unique lagoon]

sure after

[fringe escarp]

Brother lost a whole ass arm 😭

Well yes after, as a result of the attack

[unique lagoon]

did luffy punch that exact same part multiple time for the holes to happen

[tulip sinew]

Yea

[unique lagoon]

iirc bonneys big punch dint put a hole it just pushed him

[tulip sinew]

It was gattling attack

Bonney attack didn't do much

[fringe escarp]

It’s Gatling so yeah prob

[tulip sinew]

Luffy carried the attack

[fringe escarp]

Bonney was aura farming

[unique lagoon]

but usopp no haki bomb just blast their body into mist

[fringe escarp]

Regen merchants only have shit dura for the sake of like

Aura farming

They don’t actually have shit dura

[tulip sinew]

Yea but those are useless

[fringe escarp]

It’s just written like they do

[tulip sinew]

No point avoiding those attack

[unique lagoon]

sure but that not the point

when does oda decide when the body gets shattered

[fringe escarp]

When it makes the fight cooler

[unique lagoon]

its a perfect hype tool

[tulip sinew]

It's when the user decide
You can clearly protect yourself with haki

[fringe escarp]

Ju Peter didn’t then lol

[unique lagoon]

holy shit he cut off his body
oh hes fine

[tulip sinew]

They all have coc haki btw

Oda forgot about saturn coc haki

And saturn didn't decide on using it

[fringe escarp]

It’s less that he forgot and more like

None of them can damage them

Like meaningfully

[tulip sinew]

I am talking about gorosei

[unique lagoon]

waiting if zoros giant friends use haki next chapter
assuming oda wont skip it

[fringe escarp]

Easy example is Kizaru in sabaody or kuzan

[tulip sinew]

Saturn should have used coc haki when he was on the ship

Fighting against Luffy and giants

[fringe escarp]

To knock out the giants?

[tulip sinew]

But for some reason he didn't decide on using it

To defend himself

[unique lagoon]

saturn could have used CoC defense also

wait thats what you said

[tulip sinew]

Maybe saturn can't coat coc haki on his body

[fringe escarp]

Conquerors defense is kind of pointless tho

It’s legit only if the user is threatened

Rocks did it because he literally NEEDED to

[unique lagoon]

thats a good question
is CoC defense another thing you need to unlock to use

[fringe escarp]

Harald did it because stall haki is annoying

[unique lagoon]

i swear CoC and Armament is just the same thing

[tulip sinew]

Luffy did need to unlocked it

[fringe escarp]

I seriously doubt it tbh it’s just basic coc

Acoc isn’t even really advanced

If it was luffy wouldn’t have used it 3 seconds after learning it existed LOL

[tulip sinew]

But zoro got it first hand
But zoro already use haki like ryou

[unique lagoon]

well its cuz for a long time we just think CoC is just blasting aura and KO fodders

[tulip sinew]

You just to figure it out

[fringe escarp]

basically when conquerors wasn’t Temu armament

[tulip sinew]

Like law figure it out when he saw big mom and kaido utilising haki to bypass law power to teleport people

[fringe escarp]

“We have armament at home” 😭

[unique lagoon]

so fanbase has that as base CoC
then acoc = the attack version with punches

[fringe escarp]

That was just basic armament tho

Law does this in egghead

[tulip sinew]

Not even armament
That's just haki energy in general

[unique lagoon]

im assuming CoC defense is the same thing BM and kido used so law cant cut em

its not just more haki

[tulip sinew]

Haki undo df attack abilities

[fringe escarp]

Not all haki

[tulip sinew]

So basically sugar attack could have been undone if you use appropriate amount of haki

[fringe escarp]

Armament specifically undoes fruit attacks

[unique lagoon]

im not really sure if i fully like that rule about haki aura just stopping certain DFs

[tulip sinew]

Armament is coating yourself with haki energy

[fringe escarp]

It’s ass because it’s inconsistent

It happens sometimes to some fruit powers

[unique lagoon]

you can argue with enough haki you might just stop the DR

[tulip sinew]

Not certain df
But their abilities

But ig it's utilize a lot of haki at the same time

[fringe escarp]

Not all abilities tho

[tulip sinew]

All abilities in general

[unique lagoon]

nvm rocks DR ruined that idea

[fringe escarp]

Yeah lol

[fringe escarp]

Def not all

Kaido couldn’t stop being rubberized

Big mom couldn’t stop any awakened ability really

[unique lagoon]

its not all abilities cuz kaido was always using that defense but his body turned into rubber

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard admits he’s cooked if boa attacked him

[tulip sinew]

I am saying effect like doc q to turn law into girl

[fringe escarp]

If it was all abilities Blackbeard would be literally worthless

[fringe escarp]

Yeah hax, big mom had hax used on her

[tulip sinew]

Iam not sure about boa tho

[fringe escarp]

So did Kaido

[tulip sinew]

Can you utilize haki when you turn into stone

[fringe escarp]

No you’re dead

[unique lagoon]

man so my idea of blackbeard covering his body into darkness and just sucking in all attacks is not real?

lame ass

[fringe escarp]

It was never real he debunked it immediately

His fruit is a Temu logia 😭

[tulip sinew]

Oda need to release a book and explain all of the haki

[unique lagoon]

still waiting for that mf to show more yami unlocks

[tulip sinew]

Properly

[fringe escarp]

Imagine his fruit being eaten by anyone else

ZEHAHAHA I HAVE ABSORBED YOUR FRUIT!! WHAT CAN YOU DO NO-

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-whitebeard-kozuki-oden-gura-gura-no-mi-gif-25953830

[tulip sinew]

Absorb domi reversi

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard having multiple fruits is the one real benefit of the yami

And that’s ONLY Blackbeard

[unique lagoon]

it just dont make sense to me he cant just turn into one big black hole

[fringe escarp]

It’s a shit nerf

It makes the fruit go from a really awesome OP logia

To just

A shit paramecia 😭

[tulip sinew]

Maybe because bb will lose himself if he himself become darkness

[unique lagoon]

ill still cope that DF will be cooler later on

[fringe escarp]

Negating fruits by touching them is so worthless

Good job you can beat caribou lvl fodders

[tulip sinew]

Any df tho

Zoan is useless against df

Nika gone if Blackbeard touch

[fringe escarp]

Yeah that’s still ass

[unique lagoon]

thing is if someonehas a weapon or great haki they can just blast his face

[fringe escarp]

Not even great haki just decent

Luffy pre wano could deck the fuck out of BB

[fringe escarp]

This scene was so embarassing

Epitome of why his fruit sucks so bad

The top 3 panels is what ppl think Blackbeard fights go down like 😭

[unique lagoon]

watch how oda makes him suck haki also

[fringe escarp]

Still got bodied by gear 2 pre ts LMAOOO

[tulip sinew]

Bb now have coc haki

And every other haki

[unique lagoon]

he blocked a seraphim attack that should count for something

tbf the seraphim was not using haki

[fringe escarp]

Do you remember how that scene went

[unique lagoon]

yeah it was just a big slash we saw in manga

[fringe escarp]

No it’s worse

https://tenor.com/view/s-hawk-seraphim-s-hawk-vs-blackbeard-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-18233553491390931178

[unique lagoon]

well thats why i said manga

[fringe escarp]

This is in the manga too

It’s just not as clear but this absolutely happened

Because Blackbeard is suddenly not on the outskirts of the island and near the mountain

[unique lagoon]

nah

[fringe escarp]

Brother look where he is in the second page

[sleek plume]

This is so funny in hindsight, why is he so smug about taking away the devil fruit of a dude who was equally clashing with prime Roger without it

[fringe escarp]

Blackbeard encompasses I AM BAD GUY

AND YOU ARE GOOD GUY ZEEEHAHAHA energy

[unique lagoon]

i dont know what you seeing but he blocked it
made that angry face
then used black hole
S hawk jump away to not get suck

i do agree we have no idea wtf the seraphims was doing

whatever command they are following

[fringe escarp]

I rechecked that page

[unique lagoon]

look man someone like law made BB work for it already

[fringe escarp]

S hawk didn’t jump at all

What are you talking about

He isn’t even in the scene anymore

[unique lagoon]

i dont really remember if law had actual good sword skills

[fringe escarp]

S hawk completely disappeared

[fringe escarp]

And that bum still failed to get his fruit

Ong if Kuzan wasn’t in his crew he shouldn’t be a yonko 😭

[unique lagoon]

cuz for some reason the programming is weird

[fringe escarp]

…or it’s because Blackbeard went from being in the forest to being in the middle of town in one panel

[unique lagoon]

i would assume S hawk decided to focus on the fodders to remove man power
cuz BB was not part of the mission

not to mention he is a yonko

[fringe escarp]

Like there’s a clear change in scene

[unique lagoon]

so it attacked noticed its a yonko
oh shit we cant attack yonko so just fuck off

[fringe escarp]

That would be a possible explanation if bb was in the same place

He isn’t

[unique lagoon]

the whole scene was just all over the place if you asked me

[fringe escarp]

He’s literally inside of the main city

[unique lagoon]

i remember the convos here when it first release

[fringe escarp]

Like atp the anime straight up just showed the sequence how the manga intended it

https://tenor.com/view/s-hawk-seraphim-s-hawk-vs-blackbeard-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-18233553491390931178

This shit is so fucking funny 😭

[unique lagoon]

this part is also interesting
his DF can basically use to lure sea kings

[unique lagoon]

well i wont be so sure about that toei has done some questionable additions in the past

[fringe escarp]

This is one that explains a plothole in the manga

[unique lagoon]

fair i guess they need to hype up the power of seraphims

[fringe escarp]

And in fairness they did IMMENSELY more than the manga did

Like good lord the seraphim fight on egghead

Generally if it doesn’t contradict the manga I consider the anime the true vision

At least as of egghead

And late wano

[unique lagoon]

some good lil info oda dropping also

[prisma yacht]

did you guys enjoy this wekks chapter

[unique lagoon]

this mf really want to control these things

[sleek plume]

I never actually clocked that he ended up in the main town lol, probably because I read it in black and white at the time

Seems like the sequence of events went like:

• they’re in the forest and S Hawk sends the slash that cuts the mountain, and since Blackbeard blocked it he gets sent all the way into the town

• S Hawk then goes in for another strike which Blackbeard blocks a little easier this time

[prisma yacht]

chadbeard

[fringe escarp]

Yeah it’s really unclear if you don’t have the anime as context

I didn’t even process the change

This was during scribblepiece tho

Panels generally were hard to read

[torn osprey]

Let’s not forget when he showed us peak male physique

[sleek plume]

How it felt reading the onigashima raid

[fringe escarp]

Yknow what’s funny

Scribblepiece started around 1010

Curious

[sleek plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-power-up-powering-up-yonko-kaido-gif-26410735

[fringe escarp]

One piece fans when I shit on 1010

[sleek plume]

Legendary screenshot

[fringe escarp]

1010 rlly was when wano took a turn for the worse ong

Acoc was far from its only issue 😭

[sleek plume]

I love that you speak about ACOC like it’s the boogie man 😭

Like

Was it THAT detrimental?

[fringe escarp]

“ZORO SCARRED KAIDO 🔥 🔥 🔥 “

[fringe escarp]

Acoc is irrelevant post wano in the story

In the story

In the story.

In the community it is the most agonizing dogshit fecal matter brain rot I’ve ever witnessed

Ppl claiming it’s ass while glazing its strength to their death

[sleek plume]

It’s relevant in this current arc because it’s the answer to subjugating the holy knights, this isn’t an arc where we need to kill the holy knights, they don’t have that kind of ability

[fringe escarp]

We had ppl genuinely calling luffy yonko lvl because of Acoc

Not gear 5

BASE LUFFY

[sleek plume]

The only one that potentially dies is Sommers and even then it might be by the hands of Imu

[fringe escarp]

Ye but that’s not what the majority think

OMG ACOC KILLS IMMORTALS GABAN TOLD ME IN A DREAM

Chat…Acoc undoes domi reversi

I don’t need panels I just know it

Ppl shoehorn Acoc into every fucking conflict

It’s big 2026 and we using HAKI INDICATORS over fucking logic

[sleek plume]

That was a funny debate when it first happened

[fringe escarp]

“Luffy has been holding back until sommers since wano ended”

THIS IS A UNIRONIC TAKE

IM BURNING A VILLAGE

[fringe escarp]

It was so painful

Ppl took this nigga gaban seriously when he couldn’t do shit

[fluid cedar]

He did nothing wrong to get killed by imu to be fair

[fringe escarp]

He had the stall stall fruit

Ppl swore up and down gaban killed holy knights at god valley

Or scarred them

Brother all he did was carry garp’s corpse 😭

[sleek plume]

Luffy vs Warcury was interesting because his skin is simply so sturdy and durable that Luffy using ACOC with gear 5 probably wouldn’t do anything

He likely just needed to make his fist ridiculously large, like how Emeth is ancient giant sized if not bigger, and managed to break off Warcury’s horns with a haki-less punch

[digital spear]

Why is Scopper Gaban hating on himself

[fringe escarp]

It wouldn’t tbh

He can’t damage Warcury period

Emeth is him

Oh god you know what was truly agonizing

“You need Acoc to be a top tier Kaido directly stated this. No I don’t need panels just reread trust me bro”

[sleek plume]

Luffy could pull it off in an ancient giant form

His current giant form is that of a normal giant

Perhaps a little bigger but still relative

[fringe escarp]

Or just bajrang 😭

Then again the gorosei aren’t Kaido

[sleek plume]

Yeah that works too, or just a fist the size of Emeths

[fringe escarp]

They won’t just say WOROROO I CAN TAKE THIS

[sleek plume]

I think people have a problem with taking all statements characters make as fact, sometimes these characters don’t know shit lol

But it’s not even ACOC that I care about

It’s more so the people treating Kaido’s top 5 as gospel that make me a little angry

[fringe escarp]

This doesn’t apply here at all

Kaido never said this LMAOOOO

If anything he said the fucking OPPOSITE

His one and only statement about Acoc is

“Some of the strongest can do it”

What a peak hype tool

Only SOME top tiers know it 🔥

[sleek plume]

It’s how people interpret his statement

[fringe escarp]

If “some” means “all” yes

Otherwise they can sleep in the nursing home with gaban

Oh actually there is one thing I think Acoc actively ruined in the story

[sleek plume]

Imu is sort of a man child, this is a dire situation and Sommers isn’t even focused on the plan, I could see them losing their temper on him

But I guess Imu needs forces now more than ever

So they wouldn’t make a decision that rash

[fringe escarp]

1010-1041 is the single worst stretch of chapters for the Kaido fight

Yamato was the only remotely interesting section and even that was potential man shit

Right off the bat base luffy smacking hybrid Kaido around was painful

Then one chapter later they replicate the Roger and WB clash

And I wanted to kill oda

That was smth I was wanting to see in a EOS fight

Not a scribble piece 3 cm panel

With the worst portrayed fight in the series 😭

Then 1013 happened

1013 was peak no words

[fringe escarp]

This is when luffy fell off the island

“Gum gum…what was it again?”

[dense haven]

anyone got the rob lucci told me meme with kaido

I lost my memes

[fringe escarp]

Then luffy came back with Yamato and Momo here and I was like

Ok base luffy v Kaido is ass but at least we boutta get the MOMOTARO GROUP TOGETHER

Then they dip

And Yamato too because of deus ex bombs

Sky split 💀

[dense haven]

danke

[fringe escarp]

More base luffy slop for 10 more chapters until FINALLY 1041 ends on snakeman

[hazy turret]

Greatest op meme of all time

[celest mauve]

another variation

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/ieberuru/status/2031390458115666380?s=46 cool art

🌸 IONEEberuru 🌸 (@IEberuru)

the croc 🐊

#onepiece #fanart

X · Mar 10, 2026, 3:23 PM

https://x.com/saehrus/status/2030780218013540847?s=46 another cool one

sae (@saehrus)

I wanted draw this too

#ONEPIECE

X · Mar 8, 2026, 10:58 PM

[tulip sinew]

Someone can know about something but never achieve it themselves

[rain cedar]

Kaido was genuinely pulling some bullshit because why did he have this random extra purple buff form

[rose rune]

He knows because yamato has awakened

Yammy has the piss clouds after all

[grand flower]

Blessed day!

[grand flower]

He’s moggin he’s mewin

[rose rune]

I remember when I learned what mewing was... that's when I realized I've been doing it naturally most of my life

[grand flower]

Same it’s kinda embarrassing, they gonna think I’m trying to mew

It’s not our fault we some male modeling SOBs 😩

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-moyai-gif-13639912190905996982

Everyone else is mouth breathers

[digital spear]

Why is 🗿 just casually sold there

[dense haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217425538105213038/1345655752936783892/yapperlol.gif

[sly belfry]

Who the hell is Steve jobs

[stray prism]

some ceo who died 15 years ago

[rose rune]

The main character of blank check

1994

[rapid ridge]

Greetings

[stray prism]

Salutations

[rose rune]

I saw a mudcrab the other day... nasty creatures

[rain cedar]

Sub 5 kuma vs real mogger

[graceful grove]

lot of ppl eat those

[rose rune]

I was doing an oblivion bit, since hildi and demon sounded like npcs

[graceful grove]

[small ember]

Damn just remembered we had the WIT remake

[glass plume]

I totally forgot about that too.

[dense haven]

who cares about that when we have opla

literally peak television

[small ember]

Never even seen OPLA yet I want to soon

[dense haven]

its the best live action adaptation of all time

peter jackson wishes he adapted one piece instead of lotr

[rose rune]

After dragon ball obviously

https://tenor.com/view/she-dragonball-evolution-goku-gif-10208918

[stray prism]

This is the part where you fall down and bleed to death

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-mark-zuckerburg-gif-68805234184529564

[fringe escarp]

LIGMA BALLS

[sly belfry]

🐾

[stray prism]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-3927829398898575228

[buoyant comet]

[latent hamlet]

I just remembered
In manga, Mr 9 and Miss Monday survive
In LA, Monday wasnt seen after her zoro fight I think, and Mr 9 dies

[daring bear]

I only watched the live action for mr13

Best casting fr

Rest all was mid

[glass plume]

I disagree, I think all of them were good.

[latent hamlet]

Ngl the way 9 goes out is kinda funny

Bro was like "ya know, if our organization has 0 tolerance on failure, technically you're the failures for failing to kill Vivi"

Lowkey rattled Mr 5

9 even name dropped the unluckies

[latent hamlet]

I think i saw a complaint about Monday but I cant remember exactly what for

[distant vine]

Someone on Twitter genuinely tried equating OPLA to this movie

[stone terrace]

I remember seeing that movie on a flight

[wraith mantle]

My glorious queen

[latent hamlet]

I would have just passed out that entire flight instead of watch that trash lol

[stone terrace]

I was a kid so my standards were much lower

[latent hamlet]

Flashback to the DB evolution vs LA avatar debate

[grand flower]

Gotta have a good stretch in the morning

[pseudo gulch]

[grand flower]

Hm.

She really does have the inverse of momos haircut lol

[prisma yacht]

I saw a dragon resembling momo on one of the covers while rereading east blue

[grand flower]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/1/14/Momonosuke_at_Age_8.png/revision/latest?cb=20200302153018

https://youtube.com/shorts/W5LQRSDfUKY?si=YG_532PwGFbbFodc

[distant vine]

Oh the Zoro whale joke is a Monster House reference

[prisma yacht]

what joke

[grand flower]

When he thinks the uvula means it’s a girl whale

Monster House is fire

[runic dock]

I actually guffawed

I see what the vivi fans see in the new vivi now

And Mr 3 is fire

[prisma yacht]

I slept thru ep 4th and 5th

I'll probably do a rewatch

[frail kindle]

Fun fact, Mr 3 is also gonna be m. Bison in the new street fighter movie

[runic dock]

Yeah idk about that one

[frail kindle]

Lol

[runic dock]

The whole movies casting looks iffy

[frail kindle]

I know

[glass plume]

Brogy was excellent

[runic dock]

Not excited

[glass plume]

not sure how i feel about Dorry though..

[frail kindle]

Just thought I'd share that nice piece of trivia

[runic dock]

lol thank u

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-street-fighter-movie-raul-julia-bison-game-over-gif-8620981803630172020

[latent hamlet]

The SF movie is probably just another retelling of street fighter 2 tournament

[distant vine]

I'll try and watch Episode 3 today

Fandom reception has been interesting

[rose rune]

Luffy sucks. Everything else is mostly fine

[distant vine]

Everyone who hates this season hated Season 1 too but I feel like the anger wasnt as strong back when S1 aired

Maybe the initial wave of praise shouted over the haters

[glass plume]

What are they mad about?

[rose rune]

I feel like all of the actors have gotten better/more comfortable except luffy

[latent hamlet]

I chalk up luffy to being ungodly difficult to actually act

[glass plume]

Luffy is a pain to adapt.

[distant vine]

I wouldnt be able to be comfortable being cringe like Luffy either

[latent hamlet]

Cuz his actual character can come off as insane cringe

I feel like theres a lot of people who arent a fan of luffy even in the manga cuz of his personality

Never mind trying to act it

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-live-action-luffy-dance-opla-gif-11856833510313694036

This was charming tho

[glass plume]

Yeah some people hate Luffy in general because of his goofy demeanor and childish vibe.

Though they still read the manga, oddly enough.

[rose rune]

Angry luffy is like watching kids pretending to be angry

[distant vine]

Its funny cause

I didnt hate him but I did get annoyed at Luffy several times through Pre TS

[latent hamlet]

They probably enjoy one piece despite luffy's existence and probably turn their brain off when luffy comes up

[distant vine]

And I feel like LA Luffy is toned down in a way to not annoy people like me

[latent hamlet]

I think the dislike of luffy personality got highlighted way more when g5 came out

Cuz g5 is basically luffy personality but cranked up and people hate that

[distant vine]

But now people are finding him more cringe than Manga Luffy

[glass plume]

That's impressive, i wouldn't be able to continue watching or reading something where i dislike the main character which the story is hankered from.

[rose rune]

If he was acting like luffy is in the manga the show would be unwatchable

[distant vine]

Yeah for sure

[rose rune]

Just look at cowboy beebop la

[latent hamlet]

I think its cuz its a different medium

Genuinely if manga luffy existed IRL

[distant vine]

But now he listens to people's backstories and says stuff like "Being a pirate is about whats in your heart"

[latent hamlet]

How long would u tolerate being in the same room as him

[distant vine]

So people who love Manga Luffy hate that he's so much more a normal guy

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-a-good-guy-monkey-d-luffy-iñaki-godoy-one-piece-you're-a-hero-gif-17114748153401648145

[latent hamlet]

Luffy hasnt even accidentally killed any1 in LA yet I hear

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-a-good-guy-monkey-d-luffy-iñaki-godoy-one-piece-you're-a-kind-person-gif-1715634110637411351

[unique lagoon]

yall saw the news about other series trying to find a studio to do a live action
and also doing the oda thing where they manage the production

[glass plume]

Nope.

[latent hamlet]

It might also be a western media storytelling bit

[latent hamlet]

Haven't heard but im not surprised.
One piece broke the LA curse

Its expected that other people wanna do the same

[glass plume]

What series is it?

[rose rune]

I hope it's bleach. Because it sucks

[latent hamlet]

But one piece actually grounded itself a bit more while still keeping some fantastical elements

[unique lagoon]

Samurai Champloo
true with success more will try to copy

[rose rune]

Noooo....they'll ruin it... 😔

[unique lagoon]

at least this one has less CGI so surely the budget will be spent better

[latent hamlet]

Speaking of which
I wonder if the difficulty of luffy's fights is cuz u have to use cgi

[glass plume]

Probably.

[unique lagoon]

wont be surprise

[glass plume]

There also has to be a sense of fluidity to them.

[latent hamlet]

Zoro Nami Usopp Sanji all get by with choreography

Zoro and Sanji practically trained for it

[fringe escarp]

One piece didn’t need a live action remake ngl

If they wanted to do live action do a unique narrative

[glass plume]

Nah.

[latent hamlet]

Nothing "needs" live action

But oda also wanted to see it

[unique lagoon]

this could be wrong but says here season 2 budget is 180-200 million

[rose rune]

Just like you don't need oreo ice cream

[latent hamlet]

Thats why he threw himself into the production

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-live-action-one-piece-netflix-zoro-one-piece-netflix-roronoa-zoro-zoro-gif-13129454551085166273

[glass plume]

This live action is actually worth the time.

[latent hamlet]

I feel like many manga/comic/animated authors want to see their product in live action

[fringe escarp]

When I say need I’m saying the Ls outweigh the Ws in trying to produce a remake of a series 1000 chapters in

[distant vine]

That kills the point of it to me

[glass plume]

Definitely, considering that it's the biggest way to spread it to another audience.

[fringe escarp]

Never getting to the end doesn’t?

[ornate tartan]

not true😂

[glass plume]

Like, I don't think that many parents would know what the One Piece is if it wasn't for the live action.

[unique lagoon]

yeah combat is pretty good
for some reason i only remember sanji and zoro combat
not much of luffy

[latent hamlet]

Are u talking about Ls as a one piece manga reader?

Because if anything LA is good advertisement for non One Piece people

[distant vine]

I'll wait and see how they end it

[latent hamlet]

There's stories of "normies" developing interest because of LA

[fringe escarp]

Ye because it’s more normiefied

[latent hamlet]

And is that a bad thing?

Why we gatekeeping lol

[fringe escarp]

It’s not gatekeeping to say dumbing down a story isn’t a good thing

Not saying the LA doesn’t have good aspects

[unique lagoon]

will this discord require more space now for new users?

[glass plume]

How is it dumbing down the story?

[fringe escarp]

Cutting down slop is great

[latent hamlet]

There's some bits of LA story that isnt good but with retrospective they can pull off things that enhance it

I mean
Brook and Barto are right there

[unique lagoon]

so we will see robin unofficially join SH in s3 ?

[glass plume]

Probably at the end of it at least.

[latent hamlet]

Zoro literally shadowsword fighting with Mihawk and having a mental image of him for motivation

[latent hamlet]

Assuming s3 is alabasta and maaaybe Jaya, probably

[unique lagoon]

this scene

[fringe escarp]

Primarilg when it comes to how it portrays its combat and esp its world

It’s passable in the east blue and a good chunk of alabasta because those aren’t really fantastical worlds

[fringe escarp]

But if they’re struggling to hold together fights for the MC NOW I genuinely don’t know how they’re gonna do shit like skypeia and have it work well

[glass plume]

I still don't see how that is considered as dumbing down the story, that's just a worry for the fights.

[latent hamlet]

Thats a struggle of fight choreography and editing lol

[glass plume]

The story and premise is still the same.

[unique lagoon]

which part of the story got dumb down anyway

[distant vine]

Just skip Skypiea

Easy

[latent hamlet]

It sounds like you want the LA to try and portray all the world building that Oda made

[fringe escarp]

Having a good fight that tells a interesting narrative is the crux of one piece storytelling

The grand majority of its best moments come from the fight scenes

[distant vine]

I'd say Sanji's arc in Baratie got dumbed down

[latent hamlet]

Which...Oda could have literally said "nah dont do it"

[unique lagoon]

oh that would be hilarious if they cant handle skypeia budget and skip it

[fringe escarp]

He could yeah

[unique lagoon]

oh i mean s2

[fringe escarp]

But he also greenlit a remake for a series with no ending

[distant vine]

Oh ok then I got nothing for S2 so far

[fringe escarp]

So I’ll be real idrc

[glass plume]

I think they're doing a good job with it as it is.

[fringe escarp]

With what they have to work with it’s a miracle

[glass plume]

Oda always said that the live action isn't meant to be a 1:1

[latent hamlet]

Oda greenlit it cuz he wanted to see his own story in LA

They've probably already settled on an end

[fringe escarp]

And that’s great

That doesn’t really mean I automatically like it or agree with it

Oda has allowed the anime to be actual slop for a decade

[unique lagoon]

try taking mr9 m3 and hiriluk acting skills
and compare it to everyone around em

[fringe escarp]

Arguably longer

[unique lagoon]

actually vivi acress did good also

[fringe escarp]

ATP just make a unique narrative if you have to make so many limitations with a fantastical setting

[unique lagoon]

crocus did good also acting as the annoyed old man but also impressed by the crew

[soft tangle]

I miss the big hands

[unique lagoon]

zoro having more deadpan comedy is good also

clueless idiot

[glass plume]

People wouldn't watch it if it wasn't based upon the story that is in the manga or the anime, it's just another retelling of it.

A unique narrative wouldn't work.

[fringe escarp]

This is a pretty terrible take

[glass plume]

It's the unfortunate truth.

[fringe escarp]

Some of the best narratives in fiction come from the decision NOT to just iterate

[unique lagoon]

i dont think its blatantly shown he has bad direction yet?

[fringe escarp]

Hell ppl LOVE the fan letter partly because of the remade fights but in larger part because it told a genuinely interesting and fun narrative

One where it shows the effects the crew have on common folk, without making the story literally be about them

[dusty canyon]

I swear he says a few times about it no?

[jade rain]

It's somewhat shown

[latent hamlet]

Tashigi did call him out on it

And he was like "im not lost..."

[jade rain]

Season 2 had his dumb nature more explored

[dusty canyon]

Yeah!

[latent hamlet]

While trying to keep a poker face

[unique lagoon]

also we got this

[dusty canyon]

My shaylas😭

[unique lagoon]

it seams like this was very common

[runic dock]

It’s not blatantly shown but it’s subtle, like they had two branching paths in loguetown and he was like this way , and an enemy was like 2 feet in front of “this way “

[jade rain]

Hope they do karoo in season 3

[glass plume]

Yes but that isn't live action.

[dusty canyon]

Crine he's always using him as an uber

[fringe escarp]

But it’s a narrative that doesn’t focus on the characters

Live action is a medium not a genre

[glass plume]

I don't think a lot of people would be interesting to watch a unique narrative in the live action, which is just in the one piece world.

[runic dock]

They have to now cause vivi says she has a giant duck named Karoo

[unique lagoon]

should dedicate time for it next season 5min of him getting lost
or keep cutting to him lost again

[dusty canyon]

Vivi said about him so I think we will

[fringe escarp]

People watched peacemaker

[glass plume]

Peacemaker isn't based upon a manga, lol

[fringe escarp]

It’s based on a comic bruh

[glass plume]

Yes, which isn't from Japan.

[fringe escarp]

Of a character majority of ppl have never heard of

[unique lagoon]

holy shit theres so many

[fringe escarp]

Why the fuck would that matter lmao

[runic dock]

Yeah lol

[dusty canyon]

Just straight ass on his head

[fringe escarp]

One piece live action is a American show 😭

[latent hamlet]

U know
Maybe Oda just cares more about the live action than the anime

[glass plume]

Well the language barrier is a pretty big thing, not to mention the different cultures in general.

[unique lagoon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chopper-one-piece-3

[fringe escarp]

One piece LA is a American show

[glass plume]

So?

[fringe escarp]

Based on a Japanese manga

That’s popular across the entire world despite language

[dusty canyon]

He seems really involved and he's said this is his last chance to give one pieve the push to a larger audience so I wouldn't be suprised

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gutokenji-one-piece-fanart-fanmade-zoro-gif-9588076268061402760

[runic dock]

Thank you one piece live action for calling them LOGUE town and ALabasta and vivi nefeRTARI

[fringe escarp]

We aren’t in the 80s the language barrier is a non issue

[runic dock]

[jade rain]

LA might just be the last pull for a new audience of op

[latent hamlet]

Ye cuz for as big as one piece is
Its own vastness is also its enemy

[fringe escarp]

Nobody is reading one piece dropping it because it isn’t American enough

[latent hamlet]

Imagine trying to convince your friend to give it a shot

"Oh how long is it"
"About a 1000 episodes"

[glass plume]

We're getting nowhere with this

[latent hamlet]

"Fuck off"

[dusty canyon]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[dark nymph]

Can confirm I heard this countless times

[fringe escarp]

Ngl if it wasn’t for Garp I would have shown the live action first to my friends then go straight to one pace

Purely because the live action cuts a lot of the slop

Like a LOT this is actually one major W

[runic dock]

Live action is fixing manga mistakes

Live action > manga

[fringe escarp]

But that’s primarily because pre alabasta one piece is a lot of slop 😭

[stone terrace]

Theres no slop in the east blue tho

[latent hamlet]

Bruh even with garp just say "some elements arent one to one so if u decide to watch / read, some bits won't be around"

[runic dock]

They’re gonna fucking kill Pell

[fringe escarp]

Brother they cut down don krieg

[stone terrace]

Except for like 20 chapters where the pages are just blank after orange town

[stone terrace]

Biggest L ever

[latent hamlet]

Plus I think garp in east blue is an idea of Oda that he had way later but wanted to incorporate it

[dusty canyon]

They have 25 years of material to pull from so it's bound to

[fringe escarp]

Don krieg is funny because of agenda in the story he’s ass

[latent hamlet]

Ngl i was a bit bummed about krieg

[dusty canyon]

Didnt even show at baratie 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[fringe escarp]

Introducing Arlong was def better

[runic dock]

Yeah

He’s meant to be ass

[fringe escarp]

Cohesion is peak in that way

[dusty canyon]

Showed him as a threat

[latent hamlet]

Ik they wanted to make Arlong more threatening and more present

But I think it hurt sanji's motivation for joining
But thats just storytelling trade off at that point

[fringe escarp]

Dogshit villain intended to be dogshit doesn’t make reading it any less dogshit

[latent hamlet]

Granted
Mihawk actively killing his crew is funny

[fringe escarp]

Fuck reading it

[latent hamlet]

And doing his air slash

[fringe escarp]

WATCHING it

🤢

[runic dock]

What blue is kreg originally from?

[latent hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/don-krieg-not-bad-one-piece-live-action-wow-gif-5729231549210468687

[dense reef]

Greenish Blue

[dusty canyon]

Tbf tho his goal was the same because of the all blue and luffy was the chance he had

[fringe escarp]

But yeah live action covering shit not in the manga would’ve been a really cool way to handle it

[distant vine]

And then Sanji's arc fell under his feet

[fringe escarp]

Maybe even showing the life of a common marine

[distant vine]

If it wasnt expensive to do, putting Don Krieg in would have been the wave

People would have liked it!

[latent hamlet]

Well we got to see more of coby and helmeppo as a result of Garp's increased presence

Garp ate 12 t bone steaks

[dusty canyon]

Wich was my fav thing about the la

[latent hamlet]

[distant vine]

Also yeah there's no slop. Not even Manga Syrup Village

[fringe escarp]

That’s insane glazing lmao

Even binging east blue for the first time is painful

Imagine reading or watching it weekly 🤢

[glass plume]

People like different things.

[distant vine]

Thats not glaze

[fringe escarp]

Waiting a whole week just to see kuros ugly ass again

[fringe escarp]

Yeah that’s why I said he’s glazing

[distant vine]

I'm just saying there's no slop

Yeah Kuro sucks

[glass plume]

It's not glazing just because you don't agree with it, lol

[distant vine]

Syrup Village is still ok tho

[glass plume]

You can't put your own opinion on the forefront.

[latent hamlet]

Season 1 was like what? 8 episodes an hour each?

[glass plume]

And call that which you disagree with as false.

[latent hamlet]

Imagine how much time it takes to watch all of east blue

[fringe escarp]

Disagreeing with something is in fact considering it false

[latent hamlet]

By the time some1 finishes watching all of east blue anime
They'd be done with like 5 other series

[fringe escarp]

If you disagree with that that’s your choice

[glass plume]

Yes, but it still doesn't make it an objective statement.

It's still only your opinion.

[fringe escarp]

I didn’t say I am objectively correct and you are objectively incorrect

I’m not going to say this is my opinion for every statement I make

Assume it is unless I say it is objective

[distant vine]

That could be a pacing thing maybe

I enjoyed myself but I did take long breaks watching East Blue

I only started binging at Reverse Mountain

[fringe escarp]

Well yeah that’s why I said slop

A lot of east blue could be cut down and the story would be better for it

[distant vine]

No

[glass plume]

That's probably the worst thing i've heard.

[fringe escarp]

Brother that’s literally what improving pacing is

[rose rune]

Why would I lie about that

[distant vine]

When I say pacing I mean the anime slowing down the content

I dont think the manga has a slow pace

[fringe escarp]

It’s an issue in the manga too and even in one pace

[distant vine]

There's nothing to cut

I mean, I guess Gaimon can go but he's harmless.

[fringe escarp]

He’s harmless

[latent hamlet]

Ok here's a thought

What stuff did LA cut that u agree / disagree with

[rose rune]

"I'm looking at you ordeal of balls"

[fringe escarp]

“This is a necessary piece to the story”

[distant vine]

I disagree with cutting Don Krieg out, even though I understand. The fact that Baratie remains mostly unharmed means Sanji doesnt get his conviction challenged nearly as satisfying

[fringe escarp]

Honestly? My biggest issue with east blue is the need for a big antag

[distant vine]

What is this in reference to?

[fringe escarp]

Not every single arc needed a big bad to fight

[fringe escarp]

Skypeia 😭

[distant vine]

Oh yeah Skypiea's mid

[fringe escarp]

Skypeia is a prime example of slop ruining a otherwise great narrative

[latent hamlet]

That could be a fault of shonen tbf

Shonen loves its fights

[glass plume]

I think the problem is that people don't understand Skypiea.

[distant vine]

They...did.

[rose rune]

It has pacing issues even in the manga

[fringe escarp]

That’s not the problem bruh

[glass plume]

It's a fantastic arc that people tend to overlook, inspite of the massive relevance it holds.

[glass plume]

Definitely is.

[fringe escarp]

Brother ppl understand skypeia

The issue is the part of skypeia that we couldn’t get the fuck over with

[latent hamlet]

I need to go back and read it ngl, I ended up skipping it

[distant vine]

Baratie has most of the cuts I disagree with

[hot cairn]

I have yes, I think I saw that video a long time ago. I didn’t know it was yours

[distant vine]

Sanji not viewing Zoro vs Mihawk is a big one

[fringe escarp]

Skypeia actively has some of the most agonizing conflicts in the story bar none

[hot cairn]

I see

[stone terrace]

Skypiea is goated

[fringe escarp]

You remember enel and wyper and the peak noland flsshback

I remember hatori

[stone terrace]

This was like the one ass part

[fringe escarp]

I remember his stupid ass brothers

[fringe escarp]

Every single trial sucked

[stone terrace]

Mostly in the anime

[fringe escarp]

All of them

Anime was particularly bad but the manga was horrible too

[rose rune]

Luffy being stuck in a snake

[hot cairn]

nah the manga was peak

[fringe escarp]

The ball trial was peak?

[latent hamlet]

Speaking of stuff being cut in LA that is agreed/disagreed

What about stuff that is added

[glass plume]

Skypiea is peak period.

[hot cairn]

that shit was like 2 chapters

[fringe escarp]

And every other trial?

Were you moved by the priests

[hot cairn]

oh brachy, long time no see

[stone terrace]

The priests were cool bruh

[fringe escarp]

Did you watch them thinking thank GOD I spent 10 chapters of peak here 🔥

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ohm-ohm-one-piece-skypiea-one-piece-sky-island-gif-12391112437817433261

[hot cairn]

all the other trials didnt have the focus the ball trial did

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hello-8126

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wyper-wyper-one-piece-shandian-shandia-gif-9552229335184725847

[fringe escarp]

They still all encompassed a fat chunk of the story

[hot cairn]

not really

[fringe escarp]

How long do you think we dealt with the priests

[hot cairn]

the string one didn’t even happen cause the dude got one shotted by Wyper

the iron one was 1 chapter of Zoro fighting the dude

and the swamp chapter didnt even happen either, Chopper beat him in one chapter without actually dealing with the trial

[stone terrace]

Choppers best solo fight btw

[hot cairn]

1 chapter each besides the ball one

[hot cairn]

very true

[distant vine]

Its once all the other guys are beaten and we're waiting for Luffy to stop jobbing that these arcs become painful for me

Luffy in the snake

Luffy chasing Doffy's castle

Luffy restoring his Haki

🥲

[rose rune]

Truuuueeee

[distant vine]

This one was crazy cause I was so hyped to see Luffy, Kyros and Law start the final battle and Doffy just resets the progress

[stone terrace]

Luffy getting old now

[distant vine]

Never felt so trolled

[fringe escarp]

I just checked rn we spend time with the priests for at least like 10 chapters I p much guessed it right

At least because I got tired of seeing their ugly asses while going back

[stone terrace]

10 chapters on antagonists sounds fine to me lol

How much have we spent on holy knights

[tulip sinew]

Depend on what will happen

[stone terrace]

Any shorter and its like whars the point

[tulip sinew]

I don't think domi reversi is over yet

[fringe escarp]

Not all antags are created equal

Comparing the priests to the knights is insanity

[tulip sinew]

I believe that imu will flip the giants back again

[grand flower]

Me neither

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly

When Imu first flipped em, Oda drew the game being played

As if to say have this in mind

[fringe escarp]

3 chapters vs the black cat officers is more painful than the alabasta fights

[tulip sinew]

Black cat officers was one chapter

[fringe escarp]

Those were not the only officers

[tulip sinew]

There some hilarious moment where Luffy got hypnotized

By jango

Jango got one of the powerful ability
He never used it right

[rose rune]

I wonder if 4kids would have some ball and string puns

[runic dock]

Doffy was like WAIT there are side characters that need spotlights still!

[rose rune]

"No strings attached"

"This is balls to the walls!"

[runic dock]

“Call it a….string theory “

[tulip sinew]

I would pay to watch 4kids marineford arc

[fringe escarp]

Actually following up in the “we don’t need conflicts in every arc” statement

[rose rune]

4kids was the better one piece anime

[fringe escarp]

Syrup village did not need a antag

[grand flower]

1. Why don’t the Straw Hats have Haki also Haki being everywhere is making the series boring

2. Oda keeps putting BS in the SBS instead of juicy answers also why is Oda relegating juicy info to the SBS

3. Oda keeps focusing on side characters also the SH's are lame Rocks is the real MC(thank you Indigex)

@hot cairn @ashen perch I’m making a list

What should I add

[distant vine]

Stop that

Battle shonens need antags

[runic dock]

Most manga don’t even get an sbs and if they do it’s even more trivial information than what Oda puts out

We spoiled

[tulip sinew]

Franky don't need haki
Brook got ice power
I don't think haki is necessary
Robin don't need haki

[distant vine]

What does that even mean? Usopp joins the crew with no conflict?

[grand flower]

I’ve noticed some series do it at the start but stop very soon

[fringe escarp]

Usopp joins the crew without a shoehorned antag at the end

[grand flower]

Naruto had something like it but it stopped super early

Like within ten chapters I think

[fringe escarp]

Shonen don’t “need” a major antag to be a story

[grand flower]

I agree

[runic dock]

Yeah true , the dedication Oda has to consistency….and none do cover stories either

[grand flower]

Yeah exactly he does a lot to give us tangential information to chew on cause they’ll be important later

[distant vine]

3. Oda keeps focusing on side characters also the SH's are lame Rocks is the real MC

[grand flower]

That’s a good one

[distant vine]

Though tbf, we have to make sure to avoid the Goomba Fallacy

[grand flower]

That was a journey

[distant vine]

You need conflict tho

[tulip sinew]

Robin. And franky defeated haki users without haki

[grand flower]

Right?

[distant vine]

And the conflict is delivered in these shonen through violent antagonists

[grand flower]

Off the muscle

You def need major antags for a battle shonen

[distant vine]

My issue with SH's and Haki is moreso an aesthetic thing

[grand flower]

OP isn’t just a shonen

[tulip sinew]

I need usopp and nami to showcase more specially usopp

[distant vine]

Like how is Usopp gonna grow into joining the crew

[tulip sinew]

Who being side bich

[distant vine]

Without some sort of fight where he defends his village

[grand flower]

Piracy is also a violent lifestyle

[distant vine]

There's also a theme of being a true pirate that Syrup Village has

Luffy getting enraged at Kuro for his fraudulence etc

[grand flower]

It’s interesting that through Yasopp

It suggests true piracy is more about the love of the sea

Exploring it

Thats what Usopp idolizes Yasopp for being, a man who dared to go into the wild sea

[distant vine]

I have the feeling Usopp isnt gonna be that mad at Yasopp at all

And the fans are gonna be mad

[grand flower]

I think so

I think it’s kinda lame

OP world is like

Theres people here who can’t stay in one place

[stone terrace]

I dont expect him to be mad but itll be pretty cringy

[grand flower]

Theres people who love them for being that kind of person

Theyre cool with it so why would I really get worked up about it

Like oden saying he was gonna stay with Toki

And her saying I’ll divorce you because I didn’t fall in love with the kind of man who’d abandon his adventure

Eris says something very similar to Rocks where it’s like lampshades

“This is not really an ideal wife and parenting partner choice”

[distant vine]

Yeah OP is just the type of story that romanticizes that attitude

[grand flower]

But the point is, that’s why this madman loves her

Yah it’s very much not meant to be taken with our sensibilities

[latent hamlet]

"You guys make a shit couple"
"Yea but it is what it is"

[grand flower]

It’s not realistic that this would make for a happy family but that’s part of the illusion

I can suspend my disbelief that this isn’t harmful to them because it’s what they want and feel good with

Usopp’s mom was probably like yo be for real

If you stay here, you’ll be miserable, go to sea

Thats enough for me, moving on in my mind

[latent hamlet]

Usopp mom really was like "do wut u gotta do"

Then usopp: Kaya I gotta go man

[distant vine]

I would be miserable staying on Syrup Village

[grand flower]

Ans she swoons watching him head out

[latent hamlet]

There aint even any syrup in syrup village

[distant vine]

Guy with the most aura in the verse asks you to join and you say no???

[grand flower]

Oda when fans want Usopp to have a dower realistic reunion with Yasopp

[latent hamlet]

I think yasopp also knew if he said no he'd never get another chance

So mom was like "you've already made up your mind, u just want my permission"

[stone terrace]

Me cheating on my wife with the tweaker behind the gas station:

[latent hamlet]

More like that 1 random mfer u befriended when he just happened to show up for 1 day on vacation

"Wow you're so cool we hang out for the entirety of vacation!"

vacation ends
never seen again

[fringe escarp]

You can have conflict without a shoehorned antag

And def not a bad one

[distant vine]

Shoehorned...

[fringe escarp]

Wapol is a example of a antag that’s necessary but still overused in the climax

I prefer that over kuro for example

And I still think Wapol is very flawed

[tulip sinew]

Kuro is good antagonist

Unique

[fringe escarp]

Because he’s the smartest man

[tulip sinew]

No other antagonist in one piece wanted to quit piracy to live a carefree life

He was so tired of being chased by Marines

[grand flower]

I also think about how BIg Mom was gonna threaten everybody Sanji cared about if she didn't do what he wanted in WCI

I don't find it hard at all to imagine that the Red Hairs maintain distance from family because they have enemies that would go back to Paradise or the Blues to act out grduges

Also also

[fringe escarp]

That motive is undercut completely by his method

[grand flower]

Fans not ready for the reveal that Shanks told Yasopp he's needed for some destined shit

[tulip sinew]

Not undercut but make sense

He wanted money to live a carefree life

[fringe escarp]

He basically does while under Kaya

[grand flower]

I think Kuro got disillusioned with piracy because he was sick of being chased

iirc

like he seemed to have really been gung ho about piracy at one point but got sick of it

[tulip sinew]

Yea
That's why he changed identity

[fringe escarp]

Then he decided to spend like a decade as a butler

Waiting for

[grand flower]

Goes back to true pirates being people who love the sea so much, it even includes all the enemies and fighting and being chased that comes with it

[tulip sinew]

But he didn't had riches

[fringe escarp]

God knows what

[tulip sinew]

So he went after kaya riches

[tulip sinew]

5 years

[latent hamlet]

He wanted kaya to leave everything to him in her will when she dies

[fringe escarp]

Why wait

[latent hamlet]

He wanted legitimacy

[grand flower]

He was faking his death and starting with a new identity

[tulip sinew]

Because he wanted to remove all the trace

Or name behind

[grand flower]

He spent time as the butler to engrain himself into the community

[tulip sinew]

So people forget about kuro

[grand flower]

And also endear himself to Kaya to get her money\

[leaden rivet]

Finished the live action against my will and man

[fringe escarp]

And he couldn’t just force her?

[latent hamlet]

Instead of "butler murders his mistress" its "butler takes over as mistress gives him everything she owned"

[grand flower]

His plan was, after Kaya died, to live there for the rest of his life

[grand flower]

He wanted peace

[leaden rivet]

The director is REALLY shipping Luffy and Vivi

[grand flower]

That's why he stopped being a pirate

[leaden rivet]

Wth was that

[fringe escarp]

And then murders her

[tulip sinew]

He could force but he wanted everyone to forget about kuro

[latent hamlet]

That's potential bad attention from the villagers and any who notify the marines

[grand flower]

Using force was counterproductive until his plot was revealed to her

[leaden rivet]

Thought this was some budding romance or something lol

[tulip sinew]

Also he wanted trustworthy enough to kaya parents ,so they shows everything regarding their life

[fringe escarp]

You saying he can’t kill someone without ppl knowing?

[tulip sinew]

Contracts to money

[grand flower]

People do contract killing as a means of distancing themselves from the crime

Kuro wanted to lvie as a new person with a clean slate

In Syrup Village

[fringe escarp]

Then he didn’t want to erase his name he wanted to be klahadore

But rich

[grand flower]

same thing my guy

[tulip sinew]

He wanted to erase his name

[latent hamlet]

Some1's gonna ask

Why risk it

He waited a long time

Why not a little more

[fringe escarp]

Someone is gonna ask either way

[grand flower]

That's why he did it the way he did

[latent hamlet]

Ye but its easier if kaya died from "natural causes"

[tulip sinew]

Pretty sure he wanted everyone to forget about kuro

[grand flower]

He hired pirates to come kill her

[tulip sinew]

Also to learn about family and their finances

[latent hamlet]

Or other means

[fringe escarp]

Like what

[tulip sinew]

That's why he waited 5 years

[fringe escarp]

Hold on remind me how Kaya would’ve died

[grand flower]

The story was gonna be that Kaya died during the pirates' raid on Syrup Village

[tulip sinew]

He didn't wanted to stole the wealth

[distant vine]

Oh I just have to remind everyone I think Kuro sucks

[grand flower]

Kuro told his pirates to attack and kill her

[tulip sinew]

But get the wealth through legal means

[distant vine]

But nonetheless he's needed for the arc

[fringe escarp]

By having him in the will

Then killing her

[grand flower]

Yeah, him being in the will is believable because he's been her beloved caretaker since her parents died

[distant vine]

Craziest slander in the manga was Oda saying Kuro's the smartest in the East Blue

[grand flower]

That's why he spent so long as a butler

[distant vine]

Just dissing so many beloved characters

[fringe escarp]

5 years when he could’ve just gotten a real job 😭

[tulip sinew]

Definitely smartest

[grand flower]

He did have a real job

He was a butler

But he wanted to be rich as fuck

[tulip sinew]

Who smarter in east blue ?

Buggy

Axe hand morgan

[fringe escarp]

Nami is a pirate who nobody knows and makes crazy money

No marine is after Nami

[tulip sinew]

Nami was a thief but she was fool to trust arlong

[fringe escarp]

Kuro trusted his crewmates bro

😭

[tulip sinew]

His crewmates did the work

[fringe escarp]

WAIT

JANGO WAS GONNA HYPNOTIZE HER TO DO IT???

Nvm he’s actually fucking stupid

HE DIDNT EVEN NEED PHYSICAL FORCE 😭

[lucid dust]

Nami is a daughter of xebec

[distant vine]

Attacking Merry killed any immersion of him being smart

Not smart enough to control his bloodlust? The MOON told him to attack Merry and leave his bloodied body on the floor?????

[fringe escarp]

Hmmmmmm it was part of hismmmmm strategy

[distant vine]

MERRY LIVED ANYWAYS

[fringe escarp]

My father, was a moon

So naturally he told me to kill

Yknow what’s even funnier

[tulip sinew]

Yea and ?

[fringe escarp]

He was gonna destroy the town anyways

Everyone would’ve died that knew klahadore

[tulip sinew]

Merry was a thorn anyway

[fringe escarp]

So why not just

Steal the money

[tulip sinew]

With merry around ,he wouldn't have gotten wealth

[distant vine]

Thats not true

[fringe escarp]

He would’ve

[tulip sinew]

Nah he wouldn't

Merry would protest

[distant vine]

Regardless he didnt need to attack Merry in that manner

[tulip sinew]

And doubt

[distant vine]

Once Kuro has the legal rights Merry cant do anything

[fringe escarp]

He has no reason to 😭

He’s cooked regardless

[distant vine]

Merry trusted him anyways

[tulip sinew]

He wanted to live alone

Not with merry

[fringe escarp]

By killing everyone on the island

Thus nobody can report what happened

[tulip sinew]

Not enough to believe that kaya left him her entire fortune

[fringe escarp]

Do we know this

Is there anything that implies he didn’t trust him

[tulip sinew]

It was supposed to be declared as a pirate attack

[fringe escarp]

And everyone dies

[tulip sinew]

That's why

[fringe escarp]

Except kuro

[tulip sinew]

Yea

[fringe escarp]

So no witnesses

[tulip sinew]

What witnesses ?

[fringe escarp]

So why did he wait 5 years again?