also-manga

[trim lily]

i dont remember him at all

[rich hornet]

I was just gonna say, if she had the arrows as pants normally but had to use them to attack, that would be funny

[dark nymph]

and when she gets defeated she loses her pants, goda

[deep chasm]

like idk what 'see oda brain" means

I cant tell what your final answer to what I was asking was

[signal fiber]

My answer was a question really, why would your brain goto panties there, I never once thought they were anything more then bikini bottoms or high booty shorts. You have to be looking for it to assume for some reason she's just naked with no precedent. I can't figure out why a group of people just decided that

[deep chasm]

huh

so then you just didnt answer my question

[signal fiber]

Ok nevermind

[deep chasm]

no I dont get what youre doing. You answered, I asked for clarification and you acted like your answer was clear, now youre telling me you never actually answered and instead are just asking me a different question

I understand you think its bikini bottoms

what Im saying is it seems to me like it wouldnt matter. Youve mentioned all of one piece characters have revealing outfits, so I would think even if it were panties you wouldnt see an issue

[thick mango]

I think it's just cause of the precedent? That there's a running gag asking about panties and it was panties in egghead joke in a sbs that that's future clothing

[deep chasm]

so I was hoping you could let me know if youd think any differently if it were actually panties

[signal fiber]

Because that was the initial discussion, it's weirder to me anyone thought they were underwear, why would you just assume that. They're not wearing panties in egghead and it looks the same

[deep chasm]

bruh

[signal fiber]

You can repeat asking if I'd care if they were panties that wasn't the discussion, why on earth would you think they're underwear

[deep chasm]

So actually the way to make things clear is actually answer the question 😭

idk why you even said that in such a way knowing you didnt even answer what I was asking

[rich hornet]

Is a bikini bottom not essentially panties made of more robust material? Gunko is clearing wearing some sort of outer-ware even if it’s revealing

[deep chasm]

Id think they were panties because her top is not really giving "Im going to the beach". You can disagree, but Ive given you an answer. Could you just answer my question instead of making this unnecessarily difficult 😭

[signal fiber]

If oda drew a character wearing underwear I wouldn't think much of it. What's weird is people assuming it's underwear for no reason. Is that more clear for you? I was trying to continue a discussion not steer away to a hypothetical

[deep chasm]

No that is not more clear for me because Im asking a question and for some reason you're not understanding that Im asking for a response, not for you to restate your argument

"steer away" how do you think discussions work? We just say our argument over and over hoping the other person randomly decides to agree

[ruby cape]

The Great Panties Debate 😭😭😭

[deep chasm]

You werent trying to do anything you just didnt want to answer my question 😭

[signal fiber]

I was still talking about the discussion and every point I made you just said "well do you care if it's panties"

[rich hornet]

Someone call dr vegapantsu for expert testimony

[deep chasm]

probably because its a question and you never responded

like yea maybe if you just answer directly I wouldnt be still asking

but youre dodging and then have the audacity to act like you answered and Im just not understanding your answer

[signal fiber]

You got your response now why did your brain goto underwear instead of just the same thing every other girl in the series wears

For Gunkos design

[deep chasm]

did you read what I said

[signal fiber]

Yes did you read any of what I've been saying

[signal fiber]

If its just big shirt so therefore underwear I just don't get that

[deep chasm]

ok

good for you

thats what makes me think its underwear

[signal fiber]

Okay that's a strange assumption but do you

[deep chasm]

I dont think its a strange assumption

[rich hornet]

It is

[deep chasm]

youre just weird and difficult 😭

[signal fiber]

Lmao

[deep chasm]

see how quickly things can go by when we answer things instead of act too good to answer

[buoyant comet]

Bro are we really discussing panties

[deep chasm]

what do you think of gunkos design

[trim lily]

its (almost) a friday in break week

what else is there to talk about

[buoyant comet]

Wtf is ts bro they're both serious about it 😭

[deep chasm]

hey man start up a new convo

what you got for us

[signal fiber]

Lol gadda try to get the last word after that?

[rich hornet]

The darkest part of the night

[signal fiber]

Ok I'm done with Gunko

[buoyant comet]

I'm not gonna involve myself on this thank you very much 🙏

[deep chasm]

so what is it youre doing rn then

[signal fiber]

Commenting on it

[deep chasm]

right...

[signal fiber]

Yes

[thick mango]

Oh I didn't notice oda finally killed the shanks shamrock certain pirate gorosei thing in an sbs

[trim lily]

sadly

[rich hornet]

If anything I have more questions now

[signal fiber]

Hybrid Whoswho has the best hybrid design howbout that for a discussion

[trim lily]

it was all but guaranteed to be shamrock anyway but it wouldve been fun if it was shanks

[deep chasm]

yea ban everyone who thought it was shanks even after the shamrock reveal

[thick mango]

I thought it still could be shanks but I was like 80% shamrock as soon as shamrock was confirmed

[buoyant comet]

No more rat allegations we're free 🔥🔥🔥

[warm sierra]

As if Oda didnt just retcon this

[thick mango]

Shanks was going around warning people about blackbeard it's not that crazy to think he included the five elders

[buoyant comet]

Y'all be using the word retcon in everything you dislike

[deep chasm]

it wouldnt be isnane, the problem was shamrock reveal was like obvious telling us hey it actually wasnt shanks

I dont think its insane to have consideed it couldve still been shanks but like

everyone who I saw say it was just a shanks hater

so ban them anyway

[rich hornet]

Right so who is the pirate now

[trim lily]

but what if oda lied in the sbs

it actually IS shanks after all

[warm sierra]

The elders saying why come up all the way here when shamrock had to walk 5 minutes from next door doesnt make much sense to me

[trim lily]

no one expects the double twist

[signal fiber]

It broke my brain when the Shanks has an evil twin joke became true

[deep chasm]

hey man holy knights not meant to be in there as far as we know

[rich hornet]

I thought it was shamrock for one week after the sham reveal and then convinced myself it was shanks again

[trim lily]

the scene still annoys me because oda so heavily leads you to think its shanks

the wording makes it a bit weird in retrospect if it isnt him

[trim lily]

garlic reported to them just fine in the flashback

[deep chasm]

I dont recall this

but I mean

[latent hamlet]

its specifically the "we allow this cuz of your status"

[deep chasm]

out of story reason: to mislead you

[signal fiber]

After Shams reveal I 100 percent knew that was him, I'm just now learning people thought it was Shanks for real and not just agenda posting

[latent hamlet]

cuz its like

shanks is an emperor

so people figured that because of his strength and prestige its like ".....ook what does shanks of all people want? lets see what he has to say"

[deep chasm]

now the question is who was shamrock talking about

shanks or bb or luffy

[warm sierra]

burn scar

[somber flare]

Loki

[rich hornet]

Loki lol

[trim lily]

oh i guess it wasnt that chill

[ornate tartan]

none of those options

[thick mango]

Oh yeah it's definitely loki

[trim lily]

more like going up and talking to your boss on the third floor

[austere flint]

Defo Loki

About the devil fruit

[thick mango]

He was getting permission to try to recruit him which we see happen at the beginning of elbaf

[trim lily]

loki doesnt make a ton of sense i think

at that point he wasnt a pirate for 5 years

he'd be much more well known as yknow the prince of elbaf

[rich hornet]

Is loki even technically a pirate

[trim lily]

he was at one point

[thick mango]

That conversation has to have happened though and it roughly fits except it taking a little while to resolve

[ornate tartan]

kinda but he wasn’t for 6 years

[deep chasm]

also, for all we know theys aid the same thing to him

[signal fiber]

Imagine you and your boys have been working together for 900 years and some baby 70 year old walks in aura farming in one of your suits

[trim lily]

i forgot the first part

[thick mango]

100% shams needed gorosei permission to recruit loki so that conversation happened for sure

[trim lily]

theyre not fully friendly

[deep chasm]

I mean I guess it can be loki

[trim lily]

i think its just blackbeard

garlic went to tell the gorosei about the davies, shamrock kind of carrying on his legacy in telling them about the last one

[thick mango]

I dunno there's not anything yet to suggest shams cares about bb except maybe on a meta level through connection with shanks who cares a lot about bb

[buoyant comet]

What y'all talking about

[rich hornet]

It’s not the same for Sham but we understand he is painting some ambiguity so it can seem like shanks

[buoyant comet]

Seems interesting

[trim lily]

pirate shamrock talked about

[thick mango]

The scene where shamrock talks to the gorosei about a certain pirate

[warm sierra]

Why does saturn know something about bbs lineage then though

[trim lily]

well i imagine the WG eventually investigated him

but it couldve come from what shamrock told them

[thick mango]

How does sham know? That just kicks the same can from Saturn to sham

[trim lily]

he did some digging

[signal fiber]

Man named his ship Saber of Xebec, not exactly discreet

[trim lily]

yeah lol

[warm sierra]

Cant wait for OPLA to put shamrock on banaro island

[buoyant comet]

I think he was discussing the possibility of recruiting Loki as a Holy Knight. But I don't get the urgency of the situation why did he have to interrupt the Reverie to make this request?

[thick mango]

Especially since he didn't act on it for 2.5 years

[trim lily]

the biggest thing for me is why refer to loki as a pirate other than intentional amibiguity on the side of oda

[signal fiber]

They already dropped Figarland in Loguetown

[trim lily]

isnt he much more recognizable as the prince of elbaf

[thick mango]

True but there is tons of intentional ambiguity in op

[deep chasm]

same

[rich hornet]

The thing is, after the Gorosei meeting is when we see BB’s poster in the flower room. We can pretty confidently say by that point they’ve made the Davy connection. But they had no idea preTS. That intel had to come to them at some point

[trim lily]

i dont really have anything factual against it being loki other than id be annoyed at the ambiguity lol

[buoyant comet]

I could excuse him not wanting to recruit him earlier because there wasnt an open HK spot or there weren't any plans to venture into Elbafl

[thick mango]

Oda does intentional ambiguity that isn't 100% natural to the chars/dialogue all the time

[rich hornet]

See the shakky dialogue in the Kuma FB

[buoyant comet]

Does the world know that though?

[trim lily]

i think so?

jinbe did didn’t he, or someone on the strawhats

[buoyant comet]

Did Big Mom refer to Loki as a giant or the prince of elbaf?

[trim lily]

she knew he was the prince, same with chiffon

[signal fiber]

Both

[trim lily]

she wanted to marry lola to him so she could get in with elbaf

[buoyant comet]

If so then ig I'm leaning towards ur opinion

[signal fiber]

And add giants to her list of races in her family

[prisma idol]

How do you feel about oda skipping all of this

[trim lily]

don’t worry we’ll get some of loki’s travels at the end of the arc in another flashback

oda would never skip the thing i’ve been looking forward to for over 3 years

[thick mango]

It's fine it seems like the plans have changed

Even if more information is given I don't except it to be a significant difference thing

[trim lily]

i just wanna see how it happened

[thick mango]

He seems pretty driven by all the events we already know

What we've seen already is plenty to explain his current motivations

[ashen perch]

Its simply left for later

[trim lily]

it’s in the heaven realm

[dark nymph]

heaven realm bros

[stray prism]

alongside bm kid and urouge

[stone terrace]

Gave up on urouge this arc

[rich hornet]

I can’t believe Urouge only exists in the story to admire BB and Kaido

[stone terrace]

Why would his ass come down witnessing all this

[buoyant comet]

Urouge better be Yonko lvl if Kaido left him alone

[rich hornet]

Got beat by cracker didnt he

[stone terrace]

Chased off

[distant vine]

Kid, Urouge and Big Mom fighting over who its more over for

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-mexican-standoff-finger-guns-michael-scott-dwight-schrute-gif-15805326

[stone terrace]

But i dont imagine thats a fight he would win at the time

[pulsar path]

Urouge could be silver axe

[rich hornet]

Same df I’d bet

[pulsar path]

Yeah but I hope there the same cus idk

I have no basis lol

[stone terrace]

Weird that oda didnt confirm it in the sbs then

[pulsar path]

Cus I want dumb ass silver axe to live

[buoyant comet]

I mean so did Luffy kinda 👀

[rich hornet]

It’s still unnamed even I’m pretty sure

[pulsar path]

Like his into was extra for no reason..should be bastar if he wasn't going to be relevance

[buoyant comet]

Kidd and Big Mom are dead

[pulsar path]

"dead"

[rich hornet]

Silver axe?

[buoyant comet]

Urouge is still well and alive

[iron oriole]

Yeah we don't want it is

[buoyant comet]

Eait

I'm saying it rn

[iron oriole]

Probably like Karma Karma fruit

[buoyant comet]

Urouge is gonna reach the man marked by flames first

Straw hats will encounter him

[fast pagoda]

Do you know what manga you're reading son

[buoyant comet]

Idk if they'll fight

[iron oriole]

Urouge is up in the Heaven realm watching Imu rn

[pulsar path]

Urouge is the sun god

[buoyant comet]

Not delusional piece that's for sure

[fast pagoda]

If Oda doesn't have the ability to kill off "Pound" do you think he's actually offscreen killing Kidd lol

[pulsar path]

That's why he was absorbing the light

[iron oriole]

Urouge is gonna pull off the baddest RKO ever

[pulsar path]

Sun god urouge

[rich hornet]

They did give silver axe a weird amount of screen time just to do nothing with him. Every other rocks pirate was either relevant or a glorified background character, but he fell in no man’s land

[buoyant comet]

"offscreen"????? We saw him die what did you want a funeral 😭😭😭

[iron oriole]

He killed off Ace the money maker, ofc he'll kill off some random wannabe called Useless "Captain" Mid

[rich hornet]

Kid isnt dead, he’s just narratively dead. Has no purpose

BM is hopefully both

[iron oriole]

I always loved that with OP fans

"Oda doesn't kill off anyone!! apart from those that he's killed off"

[prisma idol]

Everything is in the heaven realm

[distant vine]

Its true there are characters he kills

But like...I'd say the general trend is nobody dies

[iron oriole]

Shit... our favourite rubbery boy literally died in Wano

[rich hornet]

Ashura doji died so maybe kid actually died

[dapper tree]

Behold

Golden Cracker

[iron oriole]

Oda killed off Cobra like he was a broken toy

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[buoyant comet]

Tbh he shoulda died way back on arabasta

[iron oriole]

Used him for Lili info & tease Gorosei/Imu forms

And to hype Sabo

[buoyant comet]

I wonder what Koza is going to do

The king is dead and vivi is nowhere to be found

We don't know anything about any other royalty in arabasta but I'm willing to bet the WG will install a puppet there

[dense haven]

vote ragnir

[buoyant comet]

They'll abandon Cobras policies and we might get to see yet another civil war on arabasta

[iron oriole]

Why would the WG care about some desert

[buoyant comet]

It's literally the largest country on the blue planet

[dense haven]

dont worry about op geopolitics this much I doubt oda does

[buoyant comet]

It has poneglyphs in it

[iron oriole]

Which they want to flood...

They for the most part, do not care about the "lower lands"

[buoyant comet]

And yet the WG was still trying to colonize kingdoms and nations like god valley for example

[buoyant comet]

If they didn't the holy knights wouldn't exist

[iron oriole]

For its natural resources, Alabasta is a desert... not much there

[buoyant comet]

Their missions are literally on the lower lands

[rich hornet]

Idk if it “want to” but rather “willing to”

[buoyant comet]

Not everything is about resources, have a vast land,with a myriad population be unchecked is dangerous

What if the revs manage to recruit them

[iron oriole]

Thats what the Ancient Weapon is for

They'd get Lulusia'd

Alabasta? Never heard of it

[buoyant comet]

I don't think they could use the ancient weapons freely and nuke every country they don't like

[grand flower]

There’s a lot of clues this is the case

[buoyant comet]

Lulusia was a test but even so 7 other countries rebelled and they're still standing

[iron oriole]

For now

[dense haven]

they didnt have the juice to fire up the weapon again

but now they have york and the mother flame

so we can expect to see another nuke soon

[grand flower]

Blackbeard and her gon stage their plan before they can

@hot cairn @ashen perch @stone tulip teach getting a flying ship with Uranus makes sense with a crew full of hammers

They might take Uranus for themselves

[buoyant comet]

Who's her

[grand flower]

York

[native cloud]

Yall believe so much in BB, why?

Honestly I don’t think he’s sail will be as smooth as everyone claims it will be. I still think we are yet to see him lose

[native cloud]

Also in this scenario, did BB kidnap York or??

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard will get Poseidon

It’ll be like the Hody jones scene

BBP riding into the final war on sea kings

[grand flower]

No Theyve been working together since at least after teach went to Amazon Lily and before egghead

[tidal onyx]

You know I like that a lot everyone is thinking BB is going for pluton or Poseidon but he could be going for Uranus. Another thing is Uranus is the Emerald city!!!!

I don’t think bb is going for the actual weapon yet more like the wg that controls it

[knotty bone]

That's just Kaku, not a sea king

[tidal onyx]

I’m hoping we see Uranus show up in elbaf

[hot cairn]

doesnt Imu has Uranus rn?

[knotty bone]

Is Shirahoshi Uranus? I thought she escaped mariejois

[hot cairn]

Hody and Van whatever were such boring antagonists man lol ngl

[tidal onyx]

Supposedly they have a ancient weapon Uranus is the only one missing

[hot cairn]

Shirahoshi is Poseidon

[hot cairn]

Yep exactly

[knotty bone]

You put respect on Vander Dekken's name

[dense rapids]

They’re two of the most important antagonists alongside Enel and Doffy because they foreshadow Davy Jones

[tidal onyx]

Have you seen my theory on it yet? I share it everywhere I can lol https://youtu.be/KNAoKnNrvLo?si=yL2x8atbFVfr_ST6

[knotty bone]

In that case Foxy is equally important

[grand flower]

Pirate shit

[tidal onyx]

I like the idea that Imu possibly stole the ancient kingdom as well

[dense rapids]

Davy Back is top 2 most important arc

The Davy Back Fight is based on the legend of the void century war

A fight to get Davy back (domi reversi)

[tidal onyx]

Each ancient weapon is directly attached to an ancient kingdom/island

[dense rapids]

God Valley was literally a “davy back” fight

[tidal onyx]

I’m really sure next arc will be a Davy back fight

[dense rapids]

That’s why I’m starting to think the demon in the mural could be Davy Jones and not Imu

[deep chasm]

does the davy back fight somehow connect to domi reversi

these are real questions

[dense rapids]

I think it’s based on it

Davy Jones falls to Domi Reversi

Later pirates create Davy Back Fight based on the legend of Davy jones fight with the devil

Davy Back Fight = how to defeat Imu

Binks Brew = how to find the One Piece

Or rather the story of the one piece

[spice cairn]

Did he say this?

[dense haven]

he said its reddin time

[stone tulip]

I don’t want Paw Paw Vivi to happen, let Kuma stay alive.

Although I can see Vivi have voice of all things considering it was implied with her interactions with Karoo especially during their confrontation with Mr 2

I mean it’s been years I suppose although I do see people now considering shipping these two thanks to OPLA, like so many moments happened between the two (even when Vivi was on her Mrs Wednesday phase) and I think the Dinosaur scene is going to end up what convinces a lot of people now 😭

[ornate tartan]

yep

even in filler scenes all she does is think about him @stone tulip

[stone tulip]

I think there is a chance Luffy would be the one to have Uranus instead if Imu’s weapon ends up being a red herring and if it turns out to be Vivi herself.

[stone tulip]

Yeah all of that and Luffy (plus the straw hats as whole) is the only thing Vivi is thinking about right now, and yet people say she should join revolutionary or stay with Morgans for the rest of the story

When in reality it makes it more likelier that Vivi will try her best to reunite with the crew especially after Vegapunk’s broadcast

[dense haven]

bro post filler scenes

[buoyant comet]

I'm gonna add this to my watchlist it looks very promising

[tidal onyx]

Pls do 🙏 let me know your thoughts when your done because I wrote the theory and Joygirl was kind enough to make it into video I promise you won’t be disappointed 🤩

[buoyant comet]

Will do

[stone tulip]

That was your theory?

[spice cairn]

Joygirl?

[tidal onyx]

Yes I made it on Reddit a couple years ago and Joygirl asked me to turn it into a video because it connected really well with her past video

It’s a fantastic video she did a great job can’t give her enough praise

[stone tulip]

That’s pretty cool!

[tidal onyx]

Thanks I highly recommend ye check it out if you already haven’t I promise it won’t disappoint I spent years crafting it 😅

[stone tulip]

Yeah I will check it out later today

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound

[atomic kayak]

[stone tulip]

Anyways @ornate tartan @grand flower

After watching OPLA I am very convinced Vivi’s next power would be through Wapol’s devil fruit, like Vivi’s peacock slashers is already strong with the way she managed to cut through things and even people (Crocodile would have died if it weren’t for his devil fruit), and Wapol’s devil has the potential to be very op if he locked in.

Just let him combine the peacock slashers with something other materials and Vivi would have even more powerful version

[signal fiber]

I'm now picturing Vivi unhinging her jaw and peacock monster men walking out

[stone tulip]

That’s not what I meant 😭

[signal fiber]

God those 5 monster men were a mistake

[dense haven]

what monster men

[signal fiber]

Wapols "army"

And their floppy foam metal armor

[dense haven]

[south finch]

Yes

[tidal onyx]

Yea they should have just had a group fight at the end lol

Atleast alabasta will be so straightforward and they will have so much time to focus on it

[signal fiber]

Not only did they look terrible they are so obviously there to give Zoro and Usopp something to do. Just have them arrive at the castle and yknow, actually meet their new crew member

[tidal onyx]

Exactly

[safe cove]

i didn't really like ep8

[spice cairn]

THATS NOT TRUE

SHE WOULDNT HURT KIDS AND SENIORS

[wraith mantle]

My glorious queen

[thick mango]

Think of all the news birds you coulda voted for tho

[last halo]

People making so many typos while trying to write Perona. Get it together

[restive lintel]

They could've used a better picture ngl

[restive lintel]

Perfect

[runic dock]

Season 2 is really good so far , minor nitpick complaint tho they should make it extremely clear when someone has a devil fruit or is using a devil fruit ability because my non one piece watching friend said he would’ve been confused without me lol for season 3 and onward I hope that’s worked on

Or maybe they say their fruit powers later I haven’t got there yet

[dense haven]

I always knew bonney was evil

[thick mango]

Is this from the live action?

[high wolf]

NAH

[high wolf]

King*

[barren token]

back when she was cool

[cunning narwhal]

midd pirates mention?

[thick mango]

What message am I supposed to take from choppers backstory?

Keep trying even if you fail horribly?

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[dapper tree]

She would and she will again

[dense haven]

bonnie is the traitor in elbaf

[tidal ice]

poison your father then make his best friend raise you so you can become a doctor who can cure any disease in the world

[hollow dove]

And they spelled his name with two Ds, come on OP live-action y'all should be better than making such a rookie mistake

[thick mango]

That doesn't seem like a good lesson

I searched around and found people talking about hiruluks death being inevitable so it makes no difference so hiruluk wanted to honor his effort

It still matters that he tried

[hollow dove]

"With Jewlery Bonney's current rampage and all of the recent civilian casualties by the Kidd Pirates, it would seem as though the South Blue cannot catch a break as of late."

Man that's so blurry to read

[spice cairn]

Yeah it was

[hollow dove]

But on the real, I highly doubt Kid was still in the South Blue by the time Luffy's journey around this part of the series is going on. He was already notorious in the South 2 years before Luffy's journey began, according to Ace's convo with Yamato. I doubt he spent several years there. I think it's more likely he got screwed over by some log routes on the Grand Line that had him stay for months at a time to set the log again

[spice cairn]

But this is absolutely blasphemy

This means shes starting her journey roughly the same time in the OPLA

Which makes sense.

Those children and elderly people must've been an satanic cult

[dense haven]

nuh uh

[spice cairn]

Yeah Spice

Rocks learned from the best

[ocean sigil]

Give amazing mothers some love

[spice cairn]

So is Kid and Bonney double teaming the south blue?

Bruh theyre fighting fucking Yaido in Yano rn

[hollow dove]

Not actually double-teaming, but moreso of a double-whammy unbeknoest to each other

[spice cairn]

Which is essentially a unbeknownst double team

[hollow dove]

I don't think they ever actually crossed paths. Kid began his journey years before Bonney

[spice cairn]

Lowkirkugenuly

[spice cairn]

Well of course not

Its just funny that theyre assblasting south blue

Seemingly for unforeseen reason

[ocean sigil]

Didnt Bonney actually start just before the shabody arc? Right only a bit before?

[spice cairn]

She did.

[ocean sigil]

Maybe even after Luffy

[hollow dove]

A couple months before Sabaody, I believe her flashback made it clear that Arlong stuff was happening with Luffy as she first set sail

[ocean sigil]

Makes sense

[hollow dove]

She traversed the Paradise side of Grand Line at record speed lol, better than a few other Novas we know

[spice cairn]

12 year old hijacks the competition with just one simple trick

[ocean sigil]

And with a pretty weak crew as well.. she's a pirate protégé

[ocean sigil]

Crazy how different oda portrayed her back then

[spice cairn]

Tbf she liked to act tough I'd envision

But definitely can be a bit of going back and ironing her out.

[hollow dove]

It's a shame that Zoro never alluded to their previous encounter on Sabaody during Egghead, I was really waiting for that

[spice cairn]

Zoro forgor

Tomato Juice...

[thick mango]

Is kureha mean for telling chopper he didn't heal hiruluk?

[spice cairn]

Not particularly

[thick mango]

I guess she had to correct him thinking the symbol for poison means good things

[spice cairn]

That was a big thing to clarify

[thick mango]

He was so proud of himself till kureha dispels his illusion

[spice cairn]

Theres no beating around the bush when it comes to being a doctor

[thick mango]

That's true

[spice cairn]

And thats something she needed to lay the groundwork for.

Chopper by this point learned a lot of kindness from Hiruluk but needed the other dynamic to get him back to earth.

[thick mango]

Wapols voice sounds a little weird but I guess I should expect it to

[dense haven]

yall liked the live action?

[thick mango]

It is pretty good

[dense haven]

oscar worthy?

[thick mango]

Ham burger, the best king, is in it

[dense haven]

is opla the best live action adaptation of manga

[ruby moat]

yea, particularly inaki the guy who plays luffy

[hollow dove]

Wapol is what made my partner drop the live-action out of cringe lol, we decided first to start at the latest ep just to see, and between Wapol's weird voice and him calling Dalton "his little beast", that was enough..

I then took it upon myself to start properly from ep 1 of S2, currently on Whiskey Peak. It's pretty good actually

[spice cairn]

His Little Beast

[dense haven]

is your partner not familia with anime

cringe is part of the experience

[thick mango]

Wapols goons kinda suck but they also sucked in the manga

[spice cairn]

Tbf I forgot about them

I think I remember the afro guy

With the fist hair whatever

That was awesome

They're simply just there for the fusion bait

[hollow dove]

I mean, they're not caught up with One Piece anymore now. Once Kid is back in the series apparently she'll catch back up on everything

[spice cairn]

I wish you luclk

[hollow dove]

I think the live-action component sorta amplified the cringe for some reason, idk

[dense haven]

kid will return in elbaf

[hollow dove]

Either during the chill aftermath part of Elbaph 100%, just like after the conflict on Wano

Or if Imu gigachads it up and escalates the conflict further, then he can even be reintroduced as some surprise-esque trump card and support the protags again

That's why I'm on team Imu rn, Domi Reversi Loki for all I care

[spice cairn]

Honestly

I only hated Lougetown

I think the cringe there was at its highest

But otherwise idt its to the point where I roll my eyes imo

[hollow dove]

Loguetown ommited a lot, but by far what I missed the most is Smoker telling his higher-ups to shove it, and that he's going to the Grand Line anyway despite what they say

Instead we get this weird interaction between Garp and Smoker about Baroque Works, as if Garp couldn't ever do anything about these plebs and assigns the task to Smoker 😅

And the dynamic between Tashigi and Smoker in general is kinda off, Smoker acts more like a bully to the poor sap

[formal wagon]

lebronestly

IMO

[spice cairn]

See I liked stuff like

Robin sort of tricking Tashigi off her trail by reaffirming theyre a bounty group

Now that's baller

But then you got the Garp and Smoker stuff.

[formal wagon]

W garp

W smoker

[spice cairn]

Bonney murders children and boomers in the OPLA

[formal wagon]

W bonney

[celest mauve]

garp's inclusion in general is so dumb, I refuse to believe oda approves absolutely everything there is and kinda just lets OPLA be its own thing besides a few things he's firm on

[formal wagon]

garp subplot was season 1's only redeeming quality

[fast pagoda]

WHOOOSE LUCK DID YOU SAY....

[spice cairn]

Its the yes man approach

[formal wagon]

i've already seen one piece, i want one piece but theres more random stuff and things are different

[spice cairn]

This and like, its great marketing to force Oda's name in a production regardless of involvement

[fast pagoda]

I'm convinced someone on the writing team ships NaVi lol

[hollow dove]

Why have Koby and Helmeppo take so much screen-time? They're irrelevant until Water Seven, and even then..

At some point I felt like this is just the nature of live-action TV? Like, you kinda need multiple different character scenes to cut to just to keep the viewers attention span?

[celest mauve]

like you can't sit here and tell me oda was completely fine with removing don krieg from relevance, stripping down sanji's character to nearly nothing and making luffy look weak

[hollow dove]

That's how it felt like to me when we had those Tashigi interactions with Koby

[celest mauve]

they were fighting with the luvi shipper on the team

[fast pagoda]

Yes, I think that's why they added Garp

I don't mind Garp's inclusion at all tbh

I think Season 1 of OPLA is better for the most part but they still did the goat dirty

[rare ivy]

It’s true

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-one-piece-one-piece-krieg-don-krieg-angry-gif-26181486

Also I feel the live action pacing makes a lot of impactful scenes feel a lot less strong

[formal wagon]

garps inclusion is the best part

[fast pagoda]

Sanji feeding Gin, Smoker's pants eating ice cream, Luffy almost dying on Loguetown come to mind

[spice cairn]

Garp be like

[fast pagoda]

Also why did they cut the Straw Hats trying to care for sick Nami and sleeping next to her

[formal wagon]

if smoker has more scenes than the ice cream scene, which is just to establish that he's a kind but stoic guy is probably easy to cut

[fast pagoda]

That was one of the parts I was most looking forward to

[formal wagon]

but they butchered the hell out of baratie

[fast pagoda]

Also the tension between Garp and Smoker feels dumb

[formal wagon]

best arc in the east blue

[fast pagoda]

Smoker isnt the kind of marine who always follows orders

So idk why the show made him more like that when compared to Garp

[celest mauve]

garp giving orders and assigning literally anything to another marine feels so out of character

[spice cairn]

Ok so

[celest mauve]

dude jumps in and gets shit done himself

[spice cairn]

Can we all agree that this proves the Pre TS Smoker always looked better than post

Same goes for Tashigi

Tashigi being a little nerd who looks dumb is cute

[fast pagoda]

I think Garp should laugh more

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggie-trained-dog-dog-training-dog-carry-gif-12125736216390932776

I think garp should frown more

[fast pagoda]

I agree, but he does look sexy with the scar and shades

[spice cairn]

Garp should be very angry

[fast pagoda]

Marineford Smoker was peak Smoker

[honest garden]

The one fun scene in season 1 was when Garp ate the steaks

[spice cairn]

What a hunk

[formal wagon]

yeah

[formal wagon]

MORE LIKE A GLUNK

[fast pagoda]

Oda gave the bara community a wonderful gift

[spice cairn]

Smoker and his.... chuddy assistant

[fast pagoda]

Femcel tashigi

[fast pagoda]

OPLA should include Gunko in the next season for no reason

If we see the Gorosei they should include her and give her at least 10 minutes of screentime and we get to see her use her cool arrow powers to kill slaves or something

[spice cairn]

Well I mean if Bonney and Kid are confirmed murdering kids and old people this season offscreen

Why not?

Though in their defense this is partially slander

[fast pagoda]

What if OPLA hints at/reveals Shanks is a World Noble lmao

Not happening but it would be hilarious if Shamrock randomly appeared

[spice cairn]

Either im bullying Oda or im bullying Inaki for allowing this to happen

[fast pagoda]

To be fair, the Bonney article is just a reference to the Marines believing she was targeting children and old people due to her powers

[spice cairn]

Its fun to believe the Marine's propaganda

Put yourself into an average joe

[fast pagoda]

It is really fun

I wonder if there is a conspiracy theorist in the OP world who correctly theorized the existence of Imu

[formal wagon]

joe as in...

joelmao

?

[spice cairn]

Joe Momm...

[formal wagon]

[fast pagoda]

My mooom

[spice cairn]

If Big Mom was a man

Joe Momma....

[formal wagon]

what ?

no

joelmao

[spice cairn]

Joelmao

[formal wagon]

who the hell is joe mother

[fast pagoda]

Big Pops

[fast pagoda]

I feel like someone like this exists in the OP world

[spice cairn]

Absolutely

[formal wagon]

carrot

thats probably got to be carrot probably

so vote carrot in the polll

[fast pagoda]

No I think thats Onion

[formal wagon]

W onion

[fast pagoda]

Wholesome onion

[formal wagon]

onion is such a horrible name

if i met someone named onion i would lose control

[spice cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-carrot-one-piece-carrot-carrot-marine-marine-gif-18391324581632292417

[formal wagon]

😭 bros carrot

[spice cairn]

Bro thinks she's a carrot

[formal wagon]

one time i met someone named melvin and i lost control

[spice cairn]

Who tf names their kid Melvin

[fast pagoda]

grabs carrot

eats carrot

W Carrot ❤️

enjoys it

[formal wagon]

if some1 asked "what does losing control look like" i had a good line for a response

W carrot

melvin was also like 5' 1"

[spice cairn]

tiny

Bro is built like a native of Whole Cake Island

[vital heart]

Im such a chud

@frail kindle

Im such a chud

@harsh

@alpine trench Im such a chud bro like what

I'm a useless bum

[thick mango]

What's your prediction for next chapter maybe you're about to turn it all around

[tulip sinew]

Last chapter bring down excitement for next chapter

But next chapter
As we expect

• Alliance vs DR giants will get offscreen
• we might see sanji vs killingam
• sommers going after zoro
• imu vs brook finale with Luffy and loki coming to save brook

[buoyant comet]

Nothing happens for the 50th time basically

[tulip sinew]

I hope that next chapter will be exciting

[vital heart]

IMU AND LUFFY ONE SHOT IMU

[frail kindle]

how long do you wanna get muted for this time

[tulip sinew]

I think imu confronting Luffy and loki next chapter

[vital heart]

CHAPTER 1177 IS GONNA BE HELLA GORY WITH ZORO/GIANTS JUST MASSACRING THE OTHER DOMI REVERSID GIANTS LMAFO

[buoyant comet]

Imu and Luffy one shot Imu?

[tulip sinew]

That will be offscreen
Oda don't show all that

[vital heart]

@thick mango btw chapter 1178 we see domi reversi loki

btw chapter 1178 we see domi reversi loki @frail kindle

[frail kindle]

lay off the drugs mkay

[tulip sinew]

I think there is a chance that dorry and broggy may turn DR again with imu power

[vital heart]

I haven't vaped since May 17 2025

[frail kindle]

I said drugs

[vital heart]

Havent drank since November 22 2025

[vital heart]

Nicotine is a drug

[frail kindle]

you're a drug

[buoyant comet]

Imus gonna be like Nika... I've been looking for you all this time and then we're gonna get a panel with Imu at the flower room looking angry and it'll serve as a cliffhanger and then the chapter ends and we're gonna get a break week again

[vital heart]

YOURE a drug

[rapid ridge]

I wish I could do drugs

[tulip sinew]

Dont think imu will be surprised about nika since he already saw him

[frail kindle]

shut up nerd its friday

[rapid ridge]

Drugs are illegal all week you know?

Sigh!

[buoyant comet]

Ik but he'll make a proclamation of some sorts

[rapid ridge]

Also yeah! It is Friday!!!! Yahoo

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-moves-grooves-lizard-gif-17757353

[tulip sinew]

Doubt it
It will be simple confrontation by imu

[vital heart]

SFBLJGHSDLFHSDLFSHDFLHDSFLDSHFJLHFJLKDHF

@frail kindle Mute me for 26 hours, tmrw im going to a friends birthday party

Tmrw night

[tulip sinew]

Do you think imu can flip back the giants into DR again ?

[buoyant comet]

Is Imu saying "I've been looking for you" a complicated confrontation tho

[tropic nova]

@vital heart has been muted!

Reason: going to a party
Duration: 2 days

[rapid ridge]

Double it and take it to the next person?

Damn it glex

[buoyant comet]

Yes but idk if he'll be bothered

[rapid ridge]

:(

[tulip sinew]

Don't think he looking for nika in the first place

[buoyant comet]

Wasn't the WG hunting for it's fruit 😭

[frail kindle]

what? he asked for it

[tulip sinew]

WG other than imu know nika as a myth rather than reality

Remember what sommers said about nika

Did imu even tell them about nika ?
I think he keeping it within himself

[buoyant comet]

I'm talking about Imu who delegated the job of its retrieval to the WG. He clearly knew about it unlike the gorosei

[rapid ridge]

[tulip sinew]

Yea I don't think he gave them the order to find nika fruit

[mighty shell]

binks sake really makes me think. there's the lines about the rising dawn, the end being "waraibanashi" or literally laugh tale, this line that says we'll never meet again. like the mural, they shall never meet. i fully expect binks to be a flashback character. ok das all

[buoyant comet]

That's not really my point I'm saying that he wanted them to capture Nikas df, he was after Luffy. I mean on Egghead he literally executed Saturn for the reason that he let Joyboy get away

[tulip sinew]

True
But does saturn or any other gorosei know about joyboy ?

Or void century in general

I don't think they have detailed idea about history

[buoyant comet]

No not really but they had second hand information about the period of time from Imu

[tulip sinew]

They know world will sink into the ocean and that's their goal but do they even know the purpose of why imu doing it ?

Also some even don't listen to imu enough like sommers

[buoyant comet]

I'm not sure if they knew Imus motives but they have been planning for the flooding of the world for 700 years

[tulip sinew]

If you reread wano ,
Oda cut off the scene and switched to immediately where they realise that Luffy power could be nika

There missing stuff in between we didn't get to see

How did they even realise that

Is there a chance shamrocks tell them about nika ?

[fringe escarp]

This is pretty explicit too, they just then found out about nika actually existing

And the moment they did they switched focus to luffy

[hollow dove]

Not sure about Shamrocks Nika knowledge, but what recent chapter revelations intrigue me on the most is that Shamrock didn't have information on Loki's devil fruit being Niddhoggr? If we're to believe the certain pirate he discussed to them was Loki

[tulip sinew]

Yes there passing of time
I think oda hiding something

[tulip sinew]

If it's shamrock I think it's about shanks

[hollow dove]

Because Imu feels the need to have this whole surprised scene about the fruit being in Elbaph wielded by Loki

So Shamrock would have been trying to recruit Loki whilst still not knowing his devil fruit? 😅

[fringe escarp]

This scene is so ass ngl 😭

There’s only so much I can take of imu not knowing shit

[honest garden]

What other examples upset you

[fringe escarp]

“Imma stay quiet about luffy having the same fruit as joyboy until 3 seconds before he awakens”

Which he only knew as of 907 at the earliest

[hollow dove]

Yeah, I feel like this gives less credence about it being Loki at least. If it was the giant prince in question, then it's a bit weird that it took Shamrock a month or two at least to enact on the certain pirate he discussed

[honest garden]

To be fair, the world government or the marines have been chasing Luffy in situations in all good reason should've resulted in his capture since the story began

[fringe escarp]

Oh 100%, they went extra if anything

[tulip sinew]

He knew but wasn't confirmed

[hollow dove]

I feel like the info Shamrock gave to the Gorosei is moreso for a headsup even further into the future, similar to how Garling gave info about God Valley to the gorosei that wasn't particularly needed anytime soon, given they just had their hunting competetion recently

[fringe escarp]

What I don’t like is that there isn’t a explicit mention of why

Like imagine if the admirals were like “ayo gorosei why tf are we going after this fodder bum”

[tulip sinew]

I don't think imu even tell them about nika df

[fringe escarp]

They didn’t

[honest garden]

There was always a good reason

[tulip sinew]

Gorosei find it out some other way

[honest garden]

Kuzan went because of Robin

[tulip sinew]

We don't know

[fringe escarp]

Tbf Kuzan was random

[honest garden]

There were reports of SHs working with Robin and Kuzan went to check

[fringe escarp]

Kizaru came to handle him because according to the narrative they come when a CD is attacked

This is the only time this has ever happened 😭

Kuma came to TB on orders, and being real this was real fucking stupid of them

[tulip sinew]

Yea

[fringe escarp]

They KNOW kuma is a nika glazer

[tulip sinew]

Well its hard to find Luffy exactly within this vast grandline in the first place

[honest garden]

They also had Kuma under their thumb

[fringe escarp]

Ye but they didn’t suspect shit when kuma let him go twice? Second time was even noticed by Kizaru

[tulip sinew]

Luffy survived impossible situation which he shouldn't have survived

Like bustercall

Garp giving up on Luffy

Kizaru attack

Etc etc

[honest garden]

The second time they deleted his brain

[tulip sinew]

Everything should have ended Luffy

[fringe escarp]

they didn’t

[tulip sinew]

But miracle saved him

So yea

I don't think it's all Marines fault

[honest garden]

During the timeskip Kuma has his humanity truly revoked

[tulip sinew]

They did everything they could

[fringe escarp]

He had his consciousness by then

[honest garden]

I mean after the 2nd time he let Luffy go

[fringe escarp]

Oh you mean after

Yeah by marineford he lost himself

[honest garden]

Yeah even sooner my bad

[fringe escarp]

But that wasn’t even noted by the WG?

Kuma coming to his aid twice

The gorosei not even noticing bro has the gum gum fruit

[honest garden]

Well not that we saw, but I'm sure they would have noticed the second time

The first time could've been excused because nobody was there to see what happened

[fringe escarp]

I think atp they should’ve locked in the post ts

That lowkey might be the real issue

[unique lagoon]

kumas brain got fried somewhere near MF iircc

[honest garden]

Before MF I remember

[fringe escarp]

There hasn’t been any real pursuit of luffy until realistically egghead

[unique lagoon]

between marineford after triller bark ye?

[fringe escarp]

In timeskip I mean

[unique lagoon]

well kuzan almost killed all of em

not sure if that counts

[fringe escarp]

One could argue there wasn’t any explicit opportunity but one could argue that’s a oda issue writing wise

And by egghead it was pretty much too late and I feel like the gorosei knew that

Luffy was a threat but nowhere near as much to them as vegapunk

Even before the speech

I have my reasons for why they suddenly stopped giving a shit in egghead but it’s not super important to the point

[unique lagoon]

i just call it classic villain incompetence

even now in elbaf imu seams to not give a fuck about luffy

now why is that

[fringe escarp]

Nika alr arrived

[unique lagoon]

after doing the whole
you let joyboy escape saturn you bum

[honest garden]

I've written whole discord essays about this before but from memory...
Return to sabody/FMI: They didn't know he was alive yet, still sent whatever marine presence possible
Punk Hazard: Hidden island, the marine presence was forced to team up with Luffy
Dressrosa: Fuji's fault, and he can be critiqued for this. But also, WG/marines could've expected Doffy to kill him, failing that Fuji should have. Fuji eventually tried capturing Luffy, but faced repercussions for failing after the citizens of Dressrosa made themselves human shields
Zou: Hard to track SHs
WCI: It would cause a war to actively invade a yonko territory to capture Luffy
Wano: Guernica killed Luffy upon direct instructions, Luffy survived due to magic. Greenbull followed and may have had a good chance at capturing some SHs but got repelled by another emperor.
Egghead and Elbaf are self-explainatory

[fringe escarp]

That scene’s translation is iffy

[unique lagoon]

maybe oda fucking with us
by letting joyboy escape = letting the robot survive

its not luffy

[fringe escarp]

Ye a good 80% of ts is because Oda didn’t write opportunities for them

[honest garden]

That doesn't make sense

The story is the way that it is because Oda wrote it that way

[fringe escarp]

What I mean is pre timeskip had the marines and WG involved in basically every single major conflict

[unique lagoon]

wait true guernica did successfully kill the MC

what a bad ass

real champ

[fringe escarp]

I know

[honest garden]

Yeah, but within Oda's worldbuilding, this is no longer possible in every arc

[fringe escarp]

Specifically the arcs Oda chose to write yeah, which imo is for the worse regarding the marines/WGs relevance in the plot

[honest garden]

WCI and FMI are both too far from marines to where it doesn't make sense they'd be there

[tulip sinew]

Well pretimeskip
Luffy survived smoker
Buster call
Kuzan
Kizaru
Etc with pure luck

He should have died in those moments

[honest garden]

Since the moment Wano ended (and the four emperors saga ended) Marines/WG are now incredibly relevant. Before Luffy was fighting pirates, now he's fighting marines/WG

[fringe escarp]

Ik im saying that pre did a good job of making the marines relevant

[tulip sinew]

Post was always going to be about yonko before Marines and WG come into play

Oda established that in punk hazard

So i didnt expected WG arc

[honest garden]

I can relate to the feeling that during the WCI-Wano stretch, and it was a stretch, that marines weren't relevant but there were just bigger focuses then

[royal orchid]

my right side brain just said "I wonder when luffy's gonna fight an admiral" and immediately after my left side went "you idiot, kizaru"

[honest garden]

It would not make sense for say, Smoker to have been sneaking around during WCI

[fringe escarp]

Yeah effectively I’m agreeing it wouldn’t make sense

I’m just saying I wish he wrote arcs where it did

[honest garden]

Well he is now

[tulip sinew]

Ngl I feel like smoker given up on Luffy now
He accepted Luffy value after seeing him saved his comrades

[fringe escarp]

Yeah thankfully, but that stretch was real painful

[unique lagoon]

ngl luffy having the nika DF
sounds like a CP0 type of assassination if WG wanted

not marines

[honest garden]

If he fought Luffy now it'd be a bigger wash than Lucci's rematch

[royal orchid]

it's not like he's here to chase luffy

his job is in loguetown

[tulip sinew]

Yea
He become stronger now

[fringe escarp]

Ngl ppl talk about stakes in post timeskip all the time being lacking

When pre timeskip had the biggest Mickey Mouse ass escapes of all time

[unique lagoon]

theres also the argument that for some reason WG/Imu wanted luffy to keep having the fruit killing him would let the DF respawn

wait no that dont make sense

nvm

[tulip sinew]

He wanted to chase Luffy
But I think smoker just give up now seeing how corrupt Marines itself is

[fringe escarp]

Like just taking it in for a moment

[royal orchid]

I say his job is in loguetown but his squad did go to PH once

[fringe escarp]

Enies lobby? Literal buster call with no chance of escape

[tulip sinew]

Huh
What bud talking about ?

[fringe escarp]

Ship teleports to enies lobby and suddenly has top tier observation haki

[tulip sinew]

Pre timeskip had zero deaths

Fake death in enies lobby
Skypiea
Alabasta consecutively

[fringe escarp]

Ppl fixate on WB and ace because that’s literally all they had

Enies lobby had a really really underhated fake out death

[royal orchid]

counting or not counting flashbacks

[fringe escarp]

That if it happened now ppl would compare it to kinemon

[tulip sinew]

Imagine the slander if those arcs released today

[proud pivot]

!rmd list

[tulip sinew]

Not counting flashback

[proud pivot]

@sleek plume

[sleek plume]

LMAO

[fringe escarp]

The franky family and galley law surviving is some of the worst shit in pre timeskip

[royal orchid]

reminder 14 PLEASE

[sleek plume]

Forgot it was 6 years

[tulip sinew]

Alabasta fake death
Skypiea fake death
Enies lobby fake death

Oda would get crucified in today twitter

[unique lagoon]

crazy predictions im reading there

[sleek plume]

I’ll be there to collect my reward

[proud pivot]

Might be like 4 years now

[fringe escarp]

Honestly some of the worst fucking shit in one piece period

[royal orchid]

he's always been a hack

!oda

[tropic nova]

https://i.imgur.com/ZiQ4cML.png

[unique lagoon]

if oda had balls

[tulip sinew]

Pell is the best death in the series after ace and wb and oda undo that

[sleek plume]

Deadass

We have like

One arc max before we head into the final war

[fringe escarp]

Reminder the franky family and galley law dying was intended to further justify Robin’s PTSD of the buster call to the rest of the crew

It’s the first time the severity actually fucking sunk in for the crew and the reader

[royal orchid]

wait it was a 10y reminder?

[unique lagoon]

ye ace deserved that death

[fringe escarp]

But nah they lived because string > all

[unique lagoon]

guy is not HIM

[honest garden]

I'm really thinking it's close

[tulip sinew]

Yea

[royal orchid]

oh I read it wrong, ehh I give one piece 5 years

maybeeeeeeeeee 4

[honest garden]

I think the next arc will be almost pure setup

[fringe escarp]

Like I actually hate that shit retroactively 😭

[tulip sinew]

Oda should rewrite some of the stuff new anime of wit adapt

Should kill some character

Should foreshadow some stuff

[royal orchid]

he would just give pretimeskip characters more boobs

[sleek plume]

Agreed, if it wasn’t for Oda’s jumpfesta statement this year I would have been running with the belief that the final
War is next arc

[proud pivot]

Yeah I think it might be lodestar where some of the competition falls

[tulip sinew]

Wit piece should become ultimate one piece

[honest garden]

Oh what was that again?

[fringe escarp]

I’m scared to think about the number of arcs left

Because there’s too much shit to cover

[unique lagoon]

what if the final war stretch across multiple arcs

[fringe escarp]

We NEED to go back to fishman island for instance

[tulip sinew]

We will see how oda does

[sleek plume]

Apparently we should be heading to lodestar next (assuming that’s what he means by the island only Roger has reached)

[tulip sinew]

People don't like the domi reversi plotline which is the main plotline of elbaf considering flashback

[royal orchid]

final war (slowed, reverb)

[fringe escarp]

Watch it be laughtale 🤢

[unique lagoon]

so its "the final saga"
but a saga could mean what exactly? a shit ton of arcs?

[tulip sinew]

Oda better flipback dorry and broggy into domi reversi again

[royal orchid]

well we could compare it to the other sagas

[sleek plume]

The story not ending around the one piece reveal is certainly going to be odd

I don’t see it

[unique lagoon]

whats the longest saga we had?

[fringe escarp]

One could argue post timeskip from FMI to Wano was one saga narratively speaking

[honest garden]

Right, but can't that be interpreted as the SHs just getting to Laugh Tale?

[fringe escarp]

It canonically can’t, the war will happen because of the one piece

[sleek plume]

Undoubtedly, that’s the yonko saga

[tulip sinew]

"breakneck speed"
Is thats why elbaf tension is lacking ?

[sleek plume]

Every single arc in that stretch was build up towards the final battle against Kaido

[fringe escarp]

ERM THERES ACTUALLY 3 SAGAS 🤓

[unique lagoon]

punk hazard up to dressrosa was doffy saga ye?

[ornate tartan]

finding the op should be the end

but idk anymore

[fringe escarp]

FISHMAN ISLAND SAGA

DRESSROSA SAGA

YONKO SAGA 🤓

[tulip sinew]

Finding op isn't the end

[honest garden]

Who sold you that horse?

[tulip sinew]

Luffy dream start after op

[unique lagoon]

but doffy was connected to kaido so do you mash that together?

[fringe escarp]

ACTUALLY iirc oda considers post ts to be one saga

UNTIL wano 😭

[frail kindle]

"tension is lacking" lmfao thats hilarious

[tulip sinew]

Some of y'all dont read

[tulip sinew]

Whats hilarious ?

[royal orchid]

I consider PH to Wano one saga

[fringe escarp]

No we are just in the emotional high of the arc rn

The strawhats got their first actual win in this arc

[frail kindle]

what you said

[fringe escarp]

50 chapters in 😭

[sleek plume]

Yeah it could, but part of me is hesitant to go along with that, just because of how soon it feels, I think I’d see it if Gaban gets us the final road ponyglyph and we can just head there

[unique lagoon]

thats like all the time skip

[sleek plume]

But it’s likely the burn scar man we have to meet in order to find the last one

[tulip sinew]

Hopefully next chapter is exciting brother
Last chapter bring down my excitement a Lil
It's happen with each one piece arc like with kinemon fake death in wano

[honest garden]

Well I'm still on team Saul is burn-scar, but still, it's up in the air now

[tulip sinew]

But oda know how to make things exciting again

[fringe escarp]

If I have any actual criticism of elbaf as of rn, Imu is worse than the gorosei within the current events of the arc as a antag

[unique lagoon]

did you guys put a server bet on who the man is?

[honest garden]

Imu is easily worse than the 5 gorosei as antagonists

[fringe escarp]

The gorosei were absolutely amazing as antags

[tulip sinew]

Imu deserve benefit of the doubt because he didn't do anything to deserve slander yet in the present time

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-minecraft-edit-tuff-crazy-gif-6389721657755619124

[tulip sinew]

But flashback imu was a beast

[fringe escarp]

I don’t give a fuck about this unga bunga stakes nonsense

The gorosei didn’t wait for everyone to do crazy shit

They acted

[honest garden]

Unless Imu DRs someone super important it'll be pretty disappointing for the EoS villain

[fringe escarp]

They didn’t waste time on fodder

[tulip sinew]

Gorosei were on time limit

[sleek plume]

Tension could seem like it’s “lacking” because we haven’t even gotten the opportunity to see what Imu’s response to this entire situation is yet, patience my friend

Things are suspiciously going too well for us

[unique lagoon]

its only 30% of imus power bro

[royal orchid]

its just one page of the book and imu's doing it remotely

[fringe escarp]

The main sus shit in this arc is Loki

[royal orchid]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[fringe escarp]

Loki is too big of a win

[royal orchid]

benefit of the doubt here

[fringe escarp]

Like WAY too big

[tulip sinew]

Your thoughts on domi reversi ?
Do you think they will be flip back ?
Don't the solution seems too easy ?

[unique lagoon]

imu got the boardgame boardgame Devil fruit

[sleek plume]

Fair enough

[unique lagoon]

trust

[fringe escarp]

The solution is to be strong enough to kill the opponent

[honest garden]

I know I know. I would've just liked the reveresed giants to really do some permanent damage

[fringe escarp]

Easy for mr 3 victims

But if luffy zoro or Loki got turned?

Which we know IMU is completely capable of

That’s wraps

[tulip sinew]

They kill each other after gaining consciousness with single zoro attack

[unique lagoon]

what people think about imu just a better teach with a shit ton of DF power

[fringe escarp]

And those were fodder Mr 3 victims

[tulip sinew]

So i don't see domi reversi useful against loki anymore

[royal orchid]

oda is kind of reversing all the possible damage lately isn't he

[fringe escarp]

How

Rocks took Roger and Garp together

[royal orchid]

kids aren't being kidnapped, school isn't burning anymore

books are saved

tree is saved

[honest garden]

Imagine everyone on elbaf gets DRed at once and it's up to Mr. 3 to 0 diff all the giants

[tulip sinew]

Their bounty is over 1.5 billions brother

[sleek plume]

Which is exactly why I’m very suspicious, and even if you remove Loki entirely from the equation, Luffy just dealt with Sommers with zero effort, and when he gets up he can be dealt with by Zoro. Sanji is going to hold Killingham, rendering the both of them completely useless unless Imu does something

[unique lagoon]

just watch how certain zoans users aint compatiple with being DRd

[fringe escarp]

And they have literally no feats

They’re genuinely fucking ass

[tulip sinew]

Hikaku sovereign is a feat tho

[fringe escarp]

They’re a huge reason giants got shit on by the fanbase for years

[royal orchid]

loki has to be DRd

imo

[fringe escarp]

Destroying ships is not a big feat bro

[honest garden]

I'd love for Luffy to get DRed but Loki makes more sense

[sleek plume]

They’ll be flipped back pretty easily yeah, the looks on everyone’s faces last chapter tells us that they won’t hold back in killing their allies

This just means it’s not the end

[fringe escarp]

Luffy alr has a possession condition 👀

[unique lagoon]

the lack of giants with DFs kinda sad also
we got what? 2 giants?

[tulip sinew]

Damage scale is. Feat
Even zoro didn't do anything against them
They did it to each other

[unique lagoon]

wolf and loki

[royal orchid]

homeland theory doesn't let me 👁️

[fringe escarp]

Zoro didn’t attack them

[royal orchid]

I'm still friends with it

[fringe escarp]

Remember Zoro wasn’t trying to kill any of them

[tulip sinew]

Would make imu terrifying
If he casually flip them back again .

[fringe escarp]

All he did was cut their weapons

[tulip sinew]

Yea because zoro didn't got a chance to attack them
Or they were fast

[unique lagoon]

i just need more unique DF Designs from oda

[fringe escarp]

No he literally did not attempt to

[tulip sinew]

They gained consciousness faster than rocks did

[fringe escarp]

He cut their weapons

Like they explicitly were holding back until now

Because they had no idea what to do without killing them

[tulip sinew]

Zoro hurt other giants but they healed themselves

[fringe escarp]

No he cut their weapons

I thought this too

[tulip sinew]

There were blood

[royal orchid]

so next chapter is due... like the 20th or something?

[fringe escarp]

What blood bro

[tulip sinew]

Hajrudin literally told zoro that he can cut them

No need to hold back

[fringe escarp]

And he didn’t

He cut their weapons

[fringe escarp]

Check the panel

[unique lagoon]

ill just post the dialogs here

[tulip sinew]

Read next page

[unique lagoon]

so guy said we pick who we want to hurt

[tulip sinew]

There literally blood and scream

[unique lagoon]

ok cool i guess

[fringe escarp]

That’s not blood

[restive lintel]

How did Dorry & Broggy regain consciousness?

Lemme re read the chapter

[fringe escarp]

No clue

And you can literally see their weapons are cut

[tulip sinew]

The way they were getting up
It's seems they regain consciousness after cutting each other

[fringe escarp]

Irregardless the giants are not strong at all

[tulip sinew]

You can see the blood too gushing out

[unique lagoon]

we dont know what exactly brought them back
the obv answer is their "pride" being warriors woke em up

its that easy guys

[royal orchid]

they just thugged it out

[fringe escarp]

Part of their weapons

They had pitch black spears and tridents

Which we see have had their tops lobbed off

[tulip sinew]

We will see in the anime at this point

See you in 3 years

[fringe escarp]

Loki and Harald have been shown as the exceptions

[tulip sinew]

About this topic

Regardless .if giants aren't strong ,why imu want them ?

[fringe escarp]

Because giants are better than the average human

[restive lintel]

Was Zoro just pushed back here?

[unique lagoon]

so they where holding back in some form

[fringe escarp]

He flew down

[tulip sinew]

Zoro pushed himself back

To avoid the attack

[restive lintel]

Yeah that makes sense

[fringe escarp]

We don’t even need to discuss if they’re strong we literally have examples of giants in combat

[tulip sinew]

Dorry and broggy are strong

[restive lintel]

So Zoro was about hit them but realises he could get squashed in their attack

[fringe escarp]

They’ve only had strong performances vs middling fucks

[restive lintel]

And Dorry Broggy ended up hurting each other

[fringe escarp]

What have they actually done

Other than lose to Mr 3

[tulip sinew]

Fought gorosei

[unique lagoon]

just call it stronger wills thant he regular giant

call it a day

[fringe escarp]

*pushing back gorosei

Which is entirely due to size

[tulip sinew]

Push back gorosei and cut jupeter too

[fringe escarp]

Bonney feat

Damaging the gorosei is piss easy

Hell this is a USOPP feat

[unique lagoon]

yeah dorry and broggy stood strong vs the gorosei
not to mention their plan was to run away during that time

[fringe escarp]

It was to run because they couldn’t do shit LMAO

[unique lagoon]

well no they need to run cuz the whole island is in danger

the plan was to escape the WG island

[fringe escarp]

…because they can’t handle the gorosei

The threat on egghead were the gorosei

[unique lagoon]

im pretty sure the plan was not to kill the gorosei

it was to extract SH

[fringe escarp]

Luffy explicitly told them to stop trying to

Because they can’t

[tulip sinew]

Even Luffy couldn't handle all gorosei ?

[unique lagoon]

well yeah whats your point so they are running

or do you want to change the wording "running"

tactical retreat then

lol

[fringe escarp]

My point is that they couldn’t beat the gorosei if they tried and luffy himself had to remind them that

[unique lagoon]

sure

[fringe escarp]

So why the fuck are we flexing them doing nothing to them

[unique lagoon]

but the bottom line is the SH needs to leave the WG island

[fringe escarp]

Like tell me what they actually did

[unique lagoon]

the flex is they manage to do something not just get blasted away by gorosei

[fringe escarp]

So they blocked like

One attack

Together

[unique lagoon]

sure

that counts

[fringe escarp]

Which was entirely due to size lmao

[unique lagoon]

well yeah

they are giants what do you want from them lol

thats literally part of the their thing

[fringe escarp]

That’s not strength then that’s just

They were big enough to block

Which need I remind you blocking a featless attack isn’t a W in one piece