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The way this unironically true š
i dont think he sees it like that
i dont think hes doing it for anyone else
or to honor anyone else
i think its just the pinnacle of his conception of freedom to be king of the world
Whenever Iām about to lose to Bluko in an argument I remind her that her ships are bullshit
I'm literally saying he's using the plan to make himself king for selfish reasons
Wanting to be king of the world is selfish
then yeah we're on the same page
Hes pursuing his own freedom
Dang hit it where it hurts the most huh š
He doesnt care how it affects others
im just saying its not about revenge for the father or a duty as a davy or anything like that. Its all about hsi own selfish goals
he was less selfish
Iām guessing Eris is the one who pressured Teech to board the moby dick
he went to god valley knowing he was probably gonna die
Or maybe she is dead too
Tbf that could be a selfish motivation
Like Blackbeard doesnāt care who he has to cross and kill and rob and do dirty
3 possibilities with eris
- she sent teach on his quest
- she died
- she lived but bb abandoned her.
I prefer 3 > 2 > 1
Heās on a crusade for the Davy
i think hes on a crusade for himself
Those arenāt mutually exclusive
but theres not really enough to know yet this is all pretty speculative
But where does a kid get that kind of conviction
Eris could have told him about the Davys history and that in itself could have inflated his head into believing this is all meant for him
Blackbeard being motivated by his lineage is already likely
i jus tthink it would be very nice for bb's character if eris didnt send him on any sort of davy revenge quest, she just wanted him to have a safe normal happy life and he rejected that
in a world where so many people lose loving parents, it would be perfect for bb to throw away a loving mother
His ship is named after rocks too
actually, teach selfishness is what will push him further than his father
Canāt do nothing but get ready for it now
Yeah I agree
He and rocks are on the same crusade
But teach has his own methods
And heās much more heartless about it
I can see that easy
Kid Teech is always depicted as kind of pathetic. Him having a loving parent and willingly giving it up feels like the least likely thing.
He could be. A legitimate orphan
we've only got like 2 panels i think its hard to say
i wont lie when it comes to really speculative territory like that im reverse engineering endings i think would be good
and i think it would be good for bb's character to have abandoned his mother and killed his adoptive father. To throw away love and family in a pursuit of power
bb killing thatch and whitebeard is maybe the most heartless thing in the entire story
after bb gets mogged the rocks comparisons would never end
im curious to know if teach actually love his father even with that named ship, actually it would be a good plot twist if he actually hates him somehow
Either way it plays out, BB didnāt figure out his whole plan from nothing, he must have gotten some info from his mom. And from what we see of Eris, she is fully on board the Davy crusade. I donāt think she gave it up to give Teach a happy life. I think she would double down
I see this and it doesn't make me think he abandoned his mother
maybe i just dont think thats very much to draw conclusions from
He knows what he must do.
he definitely thinks of him at least somewhat to have named his ship after him
but bb is clearly willing to go further, do worse, to achieve his goals than rocks was
They share a goal
voted jinbe today
rocks would be disappointed with him
wouldnt it be nice for rocks to have forfeited his goals for his family and for bb to forfeit his family for his goals. He already kinda has with wb even if theres nothing with eris
I agree with this, but for me betraying Ace thatch and Newgate works enough on its own
he had a feeling he was doomed going into god valley but went anyway because saving his family was more important
He could have forsaken them to continue his plan/journey
Rocks even said he felt like he was gonna die
He made a choice
Oda tends to depict greatness in a specific way. I think even if he wanted to live a quiet life, Oda wouldn't have a character like Rocks back down from his goal.
obviously he has at least respect for him but i don't think he is acting in revenge for rocks
The point of the flashback was to contrast two friends who are torn apart due to their steadfastness in their beliefs and willingness to sacrifice anything to their ends
I remember a few months ago people were swearing Teach killed his mom
Like this aināt the look of a killer
yeah i agree. i would be disappoitned if revenge for rocks or davy turns out to be his primary motivation
The only real diffrence between Haralad and Rocks is one had more understanding of what the World Government was.
Rocks challenging Imu on Me Valley while knowing he wasnāt ready
Rocks choosing to go help his family even though he felt like he was gonna die
Also I think itās a good rule of thumb that villains who arenāt insanely evil still love their moms
Thatās rocks choosing his family over his goals
In a way, he gave them up
Rocks knew he was fucked
Fulfilling rockās dream also comes with immense personal power. Who can say if itās rooted in reverence or greed?
That's what I'm saying
I don't know where the theory comes from
BB slander 
Eris was probably killed
maybe as a kid he was influenced by his mother with the idea of āāavenging the deth of rocks and the davys, but over time he ended up becoming a purely selfish person
BB is the dark timeline Luffy I think. Their dads were both revolutionaries (in a sense). Both had clearly lonely early childhoods, both were inspired to go to sea and pursue a more appealing and fun life. I think the largest diffrence is Luffy's dad is alive and Luffy really couldn't care less about the dad he never had because he found another dad in Shanks. BB was already too far into his obsession by the time WB picked him up. He was already plotting. I think if I had to guess, BB feels his dad had the right goal, but he didn't go far enough, that he compromised too much. Rocks and co were clearly strong enough to force Harald to go along with them. Oda shows the scene where we see Rocks punch out Kaido for suggesting that. BB wouldn't let the happiness and safety of a friend stop him. BB doesn't have friends. He has whims and desires and tools to reach them.
Elbaph is getting dragged on twitter dang
So are we ready to admit this arc is bad or do you guys still need another few weeks? #ONEPIECE1176
even youtubers are hating on it
all i've seen on twitter today is YuGiOh being used as war propaganda
i dont respect the opinion of anyone i cant back and forth with to understand why they think that way
I'd trade places and see your twitter any day
my feed seems less wholesome
you dont like elbaph?
elbaf is alright
btw chapter 1178 we see domi reversi loki
i prefer egghead
If Im wrong then Feeso can lace fentanyl in my next meal
I don't think we can talk about politics
the two cutaway sections of egghead are maybe the best sequence of chapters in the story
Egghead was so good
egghead was peak, but elbaph is pretty good so far
Egghead cutaways were a legendary weekly experience
it's not as entertaining weekly as egghead tho
But I'm really interested how they're connected!
The fact that it started with 1079
Ebaf is great. I think Egghead was better tho
@woven talon
Elbaph has high highs and still has a chance to stick the landing
that run from 1079 to 1088 was pure ecstacy
Egghead was more consistently good
okay I got a mod saying they're intrested lol
Elbaf just needs a big battle I think
not my fault
Those hachinosu chapters are some of my favorite in the series
I agree
eghead was just so fun weekly
I'll delete it afterwards, nobody tell anyone else!
Lol
It doesnāt even make sense
I think I agree
Now that I've seen it and read it nobody else is allowed.
there now you know lol
Thank you feeso
i very much agree, taking about it i really like this panel cause ironically, the reason rocks' dream ended was also his love for his family, which further highlights the parallel between rocks and harald
although I get the complaints some people here have with egghead
but I still think it's good
peak flashback don't care what anyone says
I don't really think Egghead had any real lows, the closest thing was the VP speech but that was only rough weekly
I hope we get more stuff like that after this arc, I really thought cutaways were going to be the usual going foward but we've had 0 in Elbaph
Going by the jump festa message from 2 years ago they should happen at some point
the speech just had too many breaks
Egghead has been the best weekly experience since I caught up in PH
rereading it in a binge was peak
I didn't even mind it weekly
I guess
it just had so much stuff going on
I wouldnt say Elbaph is bad tho
that streak of chapters outside of egghead with kid garp reverie, you just have to be there
this is going to sound very stupid but I think it's just because the stakes in Elbaph arent as world ending as they were in Egghead
but you were here tho
this is going to sound very smart but i think this isn't the real saul. he was replaced by a clone
I remember
I think it's been really good for the most part, it's only the flashback that I have some issues with
fraud valley more like
dog valley
I didn't like the resolution to reversi this chapter but it's not over yet so maybe it'll change my mind in the future
i believe that loki isgoing to get domi and thats going to raise the stakes much
I warned everyone we should've skipped elbaf
I'm not a fan either but like Shuron said they're probably getting reversi'd again anyway so I'll hold judgement
They don't die so permanently so no stakes there
But it'd be a cool thing tbh
cmon now, the arc isnt bad at all
I don't think that solution would really fix it for me that's still just collapsing into endless fighting which is lame imo
I can see it happening
I think my favorite thing about Elbaf is the cast, it's one of the best we've had
yeah the cast is pretty good
Yeah, Loki and Ida are amazing
better than Egghead's I would say
loki carrying the arc
best cast we had was drum
True
yeah but defeating him will take tremendous effort and i believe Jarul is going to be killed by Loki and Hajrudin inherits his fathers sword.. are some thing i think could happen
glad you agree
Cold ass flashback, cold ass intro, cold ass (he's been sitting in the snow for years)
noland flashback soon anyhow
"jarul is going to be kil-"
This is one piece bro
Hajrudin gotta get that sword somehow
Connection to usopp in some way
add gaban rocks and harald even ripley why not, all in the same arc
Unless he becomes bigger then the sun realm, I doubt it
elbaph is very good you just have recency bias
true 
Yeah I was making a joke but it's true, rocks elevated this arc to a new level
sure then Chopper clutches with a medical miracle after the sword is removed
He can be like that Nuts guy from that one manga
if elbaf goes the way i concieved 30 chapters ago it will be the best arc since egghead
I think you mean cluts
and i dont say that lightly.
wouldnt it be the opposite of recency bias if you dislike elbaph
in what way did you concieved it?
"it's qualityslop, you only like it because it's good"
"IT'S AN ARC CONGRATULATIONS"
what the hell is qualityslop
some people are starting to hate the arc for the latest chapters so i guess no
Some mf on 4chan posted this basically
noland flashback -> brook dies -> usopp dies -> eustass comes back -> sanji dies -> chopper awakens -> imu dies -> brook comes back - usopp lied about his death -> loki lied about his life so he dies -> rocks comes back -> sanji dies -> loki/ lola flashback -> usopp lies loki back to life in an emotional climax to the elbaf saga
the latest chapters have been just plot progression chapters, it's very normal for one piece
ah peak one piece
some people arent built for the weekly expirience I guess
-> "we're off to the land of my dreams, VIRA!!!"
Holy
The recency bias effect still exists if the most recent experiences have been unpleasant, they override what should be usually fresh in the minds of the fanbase. I like to refer it to as part of the collective amnesia that the fanbase suffers from.
but I understand coming after egghead's
Imu will summon the holy knights to repeat God Valley as he takes over Gunko
I see
she bias on my recency till i WT100 2026 top 20 characters
Mailbox why do you exist
why do you exist
ngl I dont get what you mean. Are you saying that they view the lastest thing as bad because the completely forget about previous chapters?
she bias on my recency till i WT100 2025 top 20 characters
Vira vs Yano who wins
*2026
Yano
Ok, now with no heals in between rounds
a thousand curses
Elbaph is a good arc, is it the best in the final saga? Um debatable
do they have lucio speedboost or a mercy pocket?
Yano is just funnier I'm sorry
No, I mean they start to have an overall negative opinion of the arc because of some unpleasant recent chapters. Its the amnesia problem.
yano is an industry plant
Pocket rocket
huh
(Raccoon)
Not that I would even agree that the recent chapters have been that
huh
I have liked them
ah I see
they're fine
last two chapters were fire
i hope elbaph isn't the best arc in the finl saga 
Whatās the beginning point of the āfinal sagaā?
Egghead
me neither LOL
Elbaf will officially be the best final saga arc once usopps moment happens but until then it sucks
wym recent its been like that since legoland
elbaf is mid imo. And i dont mean that like bad like some people do i mean literally mid
arsal talking like he also wasn't dragging elbaf thru the mud
Well you can mark it as the best already then cause its happening
I think the only "peak" chapters we've had since the flashback ended was 1171 and 1175
I'd have to reread Elbaf from the beginning but I'd say I probably? liked Egghead more
arsal talking like 
I like Egghead more too
so far
He could show up to Elbaf
you mean like "meh"
Arcs not over š£ļø
Yes because people are very reactionary
no. I mostly like one piece and its about par for one piece. So thats pretty good
mmm I think I know what you mean
this genuinely actually for real /unsilly made me feel hope in my heart for a brief moment not kidding actually illicited a real emotion from me objectively
I never did, I only said that the HKs didn't feel like arc antagonists to me and then Oda answered it with Imu, instantly resolving my one singular issue
I do think Elbaf is the arc where fans have to lower their expectations.
wdym
Iām glad I could make you feel again
early elbaph was pure GAS
how dare the fans expect good arcs
I have no clue what this even means
Oda sets up a lot of things that the fans are excited about and the result is... Debatable.
Wrong booo shh silence
hello also manga
ending will also be im excited on whats there over in heavan realm
Raise your expectations
The legoland shit had me going bonkers I was willing to become odas slave if all of Elbaf was Lego
i had so much fun spamming "elbaf fell off" when it was still a ridiculous take in those first 10ish chapters
Ayyy listen I'm raising my expectations only about certain characters that I know will deliver
like what?
But for others it's not like that
also manga is saying elbaf fell off 
I want to see what's up there too
its an anti joke. it doesnt mean anything and is supposed to be stupid
LOL
im so mad
Dude, really? Like the Rocks flashback, God Valley, the domi-reversi solution, Usopp (so far)
im fuming
Etc etc etc
tf was this shapeshifting cat?
arsal looks like if a man and a woman had a child
now you can say it and some people will agree
That probably means something
ah
yeah God Valley was kinda disappointing to me
I still believe in Usopp tho
I thought elbaf would have fights and not just clashes
Like at this point you kinda have to lower your expectations because Oda likes to take simple routes.
hi meeks
that's on you then, flashbacks have never had full fights
hi meeks i noticed no one greeted you so im rectifying that
Buddy you're ending the arc in 20 chapters, how are you fitting in all this.
well but it was God Valleyā¢
i forgot to add the second part after the hi meeks part
big fight: the arc
WOW nonachalantly leaning back. now im even madder
I do think Egghead > Elbaph AS OF TODAY
I don't believe in Usopp and that's good because anything he does get will be a pleasant surprise
golly darn
that can change depending on the climax
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
One has to wonder if Oda is deliberately having Usopp do nothing at the moment.
his moment can happen in one chapter I feel like
I think you need to be ready for the arc potenitally ending in 20 chapters arsal
that way you wont be that disappointed
anyway, you guys think we're gonna see the egghead timeskip anytime soon :D :D :D : D
I only wish Usopp fans the best tbh
Return to Wano next arc
still a flashback
he is and it really is obvious and defintely payoff in a grand way
yeah, shocking
i would cry in real life
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
What if vira was after return to Wano tho
yamato flashback will go CRAZY
But the only way to get there is to return to Wano
Yamato flashback (3)*
internal conflict would make me go insane in real life
Thereās a secret lever that needs to be pulled to open the gate to vira and itās only found in Wano
I know he's gonna get something regardless but it doesn't feel good to see the character being neglected. He can still do stuff outside of his big moments. So that grand moment in the future has to be reallyyyyy big to compensate for that.
I just dont like this mindset, ngl. There's "don't expect too much" and there's "expect virtually nothing" and that is what most of these takes fall into. No I won't be keeping my expectations lower than the abyss
God I hope so
with the same number of chapters we have in elbaph at this point in wano we weren't even in onigashima 
expecting 20 chapters left falls under the "dont expect too much". It's like in Wano when you kept saying we would hit 200 chapters, doesnt it feel like that to you?
who, arsal?
200 was the upper limit, i was completely right on how long Wano was going to be, 150 chapters.
i shared my theory of Loki being reversied, and i think uspp's big moment comes when he lifts the Ragnir to protect the Giants from Loki
Dude I think you really need to work on context clues
Yes, Arsal
yeah I'm kinda slow
my bad
Sorry, won't change anything that I'm saying here
insane fold
That's even worse 
right
Its a miserable way of experiencing the series, that is why I dislike the mindset
Also, to each their own.
Perpetual downer, doommaxxing
keeping expectations at the ground is sad actually i agree with arsal
thats not fun
saying the arc can end in 20 chapters aint "doommaxxing"
I was moreso thinking of the Usopp thing you said Jesus
hey, I'll gladly take the L if you're right about 100 elbaph chapters
It's also miserable to expect things end on the high note only to be left unsatisfied.
That his big time to shine is just one thing in one chapter
I don't think it's even possible to satisfyingly wrap it up in 20 chapters
if it doesnāt end within 25 chapters I will be shocked
Like it's not a big deal. People should just chill out a bit.
Not at all
i don't see usopp using ragnir as a ir fairly expectation right now feels more like a wet dream
Arsal you expect things to go bad again correct?
Not at all what? Are you speaking on the behalf of everyone? 
I want more, but unlike other arcs Usopp hasnt really had much set up for stuff here besides perhaps one moment
Ofc
Like a roller-coaster up and down, where everything is currently going too well there will be a downturn
Isn't that obvious though
domi reversi'd eustass will kill a strawhat probably
Otherwise Imu won't really seem like a threat
Rip robin š
final arc sagas not named the final war or laughtale wonāt reach the 100 chapter threshold
hopefully the captain guy but anyone works
There are a lot of people who do not think there will be a downturn
On my behalf. I'll be having fun on the journey towards the end, maybe the end won't be exactly what I wanted, maybe I'll be disappointed but I wouldn't be reaching it miserably lol
in the end her haircut killed her...
Good Dsmn bangs
That with everything going well the arc is going to end sooner rather than later
oh boyš itās coming
Holy typos
I guess it depends on interpretation.
this is referencing the ognib board
Imu hasnt locked in yet
@ashen perch
When Kid attacks Shanksā fleet at Elbaf, Shanks has 9 ships present and 9 officers in his main crew.
When depicting the Kid Pirates in the SBS, Oda reveals that there are 31 members total but he only draws 22 of them; 9 ard omitted.
Kid is defeated at Elbaf which contains Yggdrasil; Yggdrasil is connected to 9 Realms in the Norse myth. 9 is also featured prominently in the Norse myth: with Thor taking 9 steps backwards before dying to the Jormungandrās venom. Odin is hung for 9 days and 9 nights from Yggdrasil when sacrificing himself to himself. Odinās ring makes 8 new copies every 9 nights, bringing the rings to a set of 9 each time. Heimdall has 9 mothers, Aegir has 9 daughters. I also saw something saying Frigg mourns Baldur for 9 days; these are the result of the number 9 being used for āmanyā or to indicate āa complete set of,ā it appears.
But thereās also Kidās secondary Jolly Roger, a Glasgow smile that contains 9 spikes. It also strongly resembles sun symbolism thatās been seen/associated with the Elbaf giants, who ofc worship the Sun God.
Speaking of the Sun God, Luffy has 9 officers just like Kid does. The bounty of Kid, Law and Luffy post-Wano was determined by combining Kaidoās and Big Momās into 9 billion then dividing it by 3. Kidās very first bounty of 315,000,000 can be added up into 9
Do they think theyāre gonna defeat imu here
But if it ends this way then Imu is ahem ahem washed.
Oh my
there is absolutely no way something doesnāt flip within the next 2-3 chapters
The cover of Chapter 1012 features Kid with an apron that contains the number ā99.ā It also curiously contains the text ā3Dā on it, which is evocative of the 3D2Y event from Sabaody that Kidās defeat in Elbaf very blatantly mirrors. The metal bird that Kid creates bears the number 81; 8+1=9.
Kid also bears a tattoo in chapter 795 that resembles both the number 9 and a tattoo that one of the giants has in Egghead
Getting a bit silly now: Oda drew the PokĆ©mon Meltan in Kidās attacks in Wano, whose special ability is āmagnet pull.ā Meltanās evolution Melmetal is PokĆ©mon #809 and its ability is Iron Fist. Also if you put any stock into the āKid is a Vegapunkā theory: Kid would be the 9th physical body to bear the name so to speak after Vegapunk, his 6 Satellites, and the Megapunk combination thatās created after the Egghead incident.
The last part isnāt that serous imo, but I do think that itās curious that Kid has the number 9 pop up so much with him or can be derived from numbers associated with him; especially in relation to Shanks, Luffy and Elbaf.
@ashen perch
Oh wow
Oh my
X2
I havent heard that one YET but I wouldnt be surprised if some people do
Who told you I was done?
I feel like ppl are forgetting that while things are going decent for our main characters, we still have the big bad of the whole series there, and theyve hardly interacted with the main characters at all
You'll have more. Trust
There's nothing miserable about keeping your expectation in check. It has nothing to do with doomposting.
Like personally I'm just chilling and enjoying things at a steady pace. I'm not complaining and folks shouldn't set themselves up for an enormous disappointment if something doesn't go their way.
can someone summarize this in 5 words
1079+99=1178
I do think a lot of people are underestimating Imu because of the weakness of DR and the fact that the HKs honestly havent had the best showing + the Gorosei in egghead not handling that situation as well as some people wanted
fuck those are numbers
Because if you do so then Morj mentality happens
Kid returns in 1178
thank you
Kidd is at Mato's bar healing
Imu could easily wipe the whole crew here like things are definitely not won yet
The apron really sells it
3D like 3D2Y and 99% for 99 chapters
Nice
Thanks ya
what are the last two digits of the chapter that is ONE (ONE) single chapter AFTER 1178. What do those digits remind you of?????
100 chapters
67?
let's see
Oh
1079 was peak
I agree with this, this is how I view the story
6-7 chapters, you'll be seeing what I'm seeing
I'm just chilling
The day the music died
stop dropping these numbers on me
1079 was good for kid
I'm not avery
Sorry can I not even say 6 and 7 anymore š
where'a avery btw, havent seen her in a while
I genuinely believe
It'll be clear in that amount of chapters
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah six seven š okay arsal 
sorry
I kinda like the idea of Kid and Luffy teaming up against domi-reversi Loki
me too
kid will just one shot him that would be boring
i dont really feel like kid has any stakes in loki that would make that satisfying.
TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUE
Mailbox. Okay what do I even say that isnt in the automod list
it would just be like a.. oh and kid is here too!
Kidd is one of those hooded figures in the underworld tjat were shown a total of one times
i said sorry
I mean that was kind of the gist with Law fighting against Big Mom
He was there to just accompany
what will happen in that amount of chapters
Oh that's okay then
she was among the kaido forces that law had been allying with luffy since like dressrosa to take down
those statements contradict each other
she was among kaido'
s forces at the end when it mattered
she was one of many forces standing in the way of defeating kaido
Law had nothing really to do with Big Mom. I'm just drawing an example of people having to step up to accomplish something without being invested beforehand.
Also inherited Rocksā will
law had to do with kaido and big mom had to do with kaido
What? What are you talking about?
Law kidnapping Caesar also fucked with Big Moms stuff
she wasnt among kaidos forces... she joined [kaido]
She wasn't among Kaido's forces at any point. She was his rival to begin with.
And Law needed to get past Big Mom to get the info he needed for his goal
Kid sank her ships and robbed her people
Thatās the background for them fighting her
That is true but he wasn't really that much of invested in fighting her. It's an example I'm giving to why Kid can safely fight Loki.
At this point of the story, you can just expect strong lads to join forces with other strong lads to defeat common enemies.
I reread WCI these last few days and I can see why people didnt want Law and Kid to win against BM
Loki being domi-reversi would mean hell for all lol
Luffy said he was coming back to defeat her like 5 times
Just like Blackbeard, Kidās initial bounty after the time skip says āghost of Jonahā
Rocks/Davy would be the thread between kid and Loki
but I still her defeat in Wano still works
We'll be in volume 116 starting from 1178, that's when I believe Imu will start to become the focus. I think by the halfway point of the volume, i.e 7 ish chapters from now he'll have completely flipped back everything that we have seen resolved so far and won.
Kid returning to start the volume
Haha
Yes!
I can dig that
Kid knew about the man marked by flames long before others
how confident are you in 1178 kid? Would you wanna bet?
Yeah letās bet money
Yeah I can see that, would be a better volume ender though but 12 chapter volumes never happen
Well, they do but rarely
will we find out vegapunks family name is eustass?
this arc?
how many chapters till we get that reveal
:0
Money? Only losers would bet money. Bet your lives.
@grand flower
i wouldnt bet money but id bet money for charity
id bet money agaisnt a charity
I'm betting Meek's soul on this, Volume 116 is the Volume of Imu
Okay letās do that
You pick the charity if I win
Wait no
yeah the other way lol
Yeah
I think we also atleast get the start of Brook's 2nd flashback during this volume
But yea, 116, watch for it, significant number
Bet Iām blaming you if Iām disappointed
Is it because of 16 being significant
alright no specific # but loser gives a nonzero amount whatever
okay, we'll see what happens starting on 1178
that sounds good
Bet I like this
Ofc
your ideas arent bad arsal I just feel like you overestimate oda a bit too much
Kid appears and we go on another break
sometimes
I would crashout ngl
I'll be glad to be wrong tho
I'm not really, I think I'm just not underestimating lol
I'm right in the middle in fact, remember when I told y'all to not overhype yourself for God Valley...
Nobody listened smh
My expectations were exceeded
I didn't and I think I ended up liking it more than most people tbh, especially the further we move on from it, the more I like it
We got Garp, Kaido AND big mom haters eating shit
the moral of the story is always set your expectations low so youāll always be pleasantly surprised 
I see you, so Kid is coming back on chapter 1179?
1178
99 chapters after 1079
Miserable would be to say that it'd be terrible, never did that
oh that's soon
Very
Just 3 more weeks
Wrong reply
Nah right reply
Which I also didn't mean with my point so....
....
Keeper you said to keep your expectations low for Elbaf
elipses extension
I'm not sure how else to interpret it
ā¦
this is what we were saying but Arsal says that's "doommaxxing"
and not enjoying the story
It is doommaxxing
it is a little
i think elbaf has a lot of good locked in already. Even fumbling the ending itd still end up at like B- at worst
double ellipses extension...!!!>>.....?
but i think a little doomfisting here and there is fine
It's a decent arc
OW reference? Execute order 66

W doomfist
it is a decent arc
i stopped playing him cause i forgot how to
Too early to tell...
what am i anymore
heāll come back as a dps in a year anywya
it's not better than egghead tho SO FAR
egghead is really good thats a high ba r
thank me later
egghead is like an A+, just short of S
one could even say itās a good arc

At the end of the day
dusk
I'm comparing it to the other final saga arc
a few small changes and egghead might have been the best
you could say that
I'm saying simple things but I'm getting slapped with HYPOCRISY
i had a horrendous weekly experience with egghead so elbaf has been better for me overall
last 8 chapters of egghead were so dooky fart
I have mostly liked what I have seen so far, but we're only 50% through with it. That's like judging Dressrosa before Luffy even confronted Doflamingo.
I think my weekly experience with elbaph has been worse than with egghead ngl
The first part of Egghead weekly wise was pretty fun
for your sake arsal i kind of hope you end up being right
Elbaf is a curve
youāre waging a lot on this arc going to like 110 chapters
but, what if we are 75% through it, what would be you opinion then?
I wasn't enjoying the Rocks portion that much and now it feels reeallyyyyyyyy long for some reason.
But we're not
this is what we were saying earlier too
okay but what if
My comparison still stands anyways
wow oda's hero worship of Toiyama is crazyy
It doesnt matter
dawg humor me
Yeah he has called him that multiple times
what if there's no secret second part
Nothing really matters
To meeeeeeeeeeeeee
what do you think of the arc then
You'll find out? I don't know what to tell you man
I'm not in contact with this unlikely alternative timeline Arsal or something
bad timeline arsal at 40 years old
okay then
Guys I think we officialy hit the "Elbaph sucks I cant wait for the next arc" in the fandom cycle
Not completely but its festering fr now
The fandom suffers from collective amnesia every arc, nothing new
mm not quite yet i think but this chapter put a damper on things for a lot of people
but this could just be a case of doomposting about a chapter only for it to be resolved in one or two and we forget about it
I think once Luffy gets deep into his fight the doom will start up
This one stands out yeah
lmaooooooo
oda after 11 chapters
"man this is hard, how do the pros do this" .... now 30 years later of being weekly
God Valley was less than I expected
But Elbaph is more than I expected
So it evens out
I think this is the first time I can pin point it to a chapter lol
chapter 1176
the flashback wouldāve been so good if xebec wasnāt in it
but whatās done is done
If only he picked up his women drawing skills
I like the chapter but its the exact chapter where the fandom started to dislike the arc
Man I envy that you guys can remember what the hell happened during those chapters
do any of us remember the weekly experience from back then
https://x.com/ClericKnight/status/2029784926715789532?s=20 14k likes dawg, is this fandom cooked?
Nobody (including myself) wants to believe it or admit it, but Oda might simply be finished with Usopp as a character
ah
and it still is 
Its not actually but regardless
can you confirm or deny arsalās allegations
ACoC is basically what I mean when I say that Oda prefers to take simple routes
Unfortunately as someone who uses Twitter, its super clear that these people have gone mad
Some of its grifting
Engagement bait, all that
simple routes arent bad tho
one piece fans on twitter 
But just as many are serious lol
It's not about being good or bad, it's just the fact
I dont get how THIS is the chapter that breaks people
weird way to spell chopper
nah. chapter 1017/1018 was ridiculous too
Every big account posted that the whole crew did something this chapter aside from Usopp
twitter š
i forget which one it was though
do yk what im referring to, arsal?
Singled him out
Trueeeeeeeeeeeee
And now we're here at this discourse
Nika
Yup
Not controversial tbh
I remember being told Zoro wasnt going to rooftop
And he wasnt getting COC

hey they werenāt fully wrong
I don't think it really was, but mainly because there was a level of denial in the fanbase
he didnāt really get it until now
Nika wasn't controversial, but what WW said about his DF was
enel WILL be on wano
Other than that not much actually
Moria on Wano
Yup Enel on Wano
I remember the Moria was coming to Wano followers
the silhouette basically confirmed it
how could it not be him
I bet with some dude over it and he got banned beforehand
Vindicated btw
what if that was intentional
I agree
It's probably intentional
it might be
I mentioned this as soon as the chapter came out, its definitely intentional
I still think of that line Luffy tells to Usopp in Legoland
by an after thought
Like "you could've handled him on your own"
i never even considered oda was sidelining usopp because i have so much faith usopp will get character work this arc
The one when he said āyou shouldāve beat that catā?
dunno why but i trust the author of my favorite series
Yes
i HATE one piece and oda is my enemy
thatās a crazy thing to say these days in the One Piece community
I would love for Oda to not neglect Usopp though despite his future ideas
Like it's good and all but that sets up big expectations then
I donāt think heās neglected tho
thatās the thing
But what has he really done so far lol
what exactly has been Oda neglecting Usopp from
You see glimpses of setup
how was the spoilers when it dropped
Terrible
Action
i do kinda think if there are usopp character moments ahead oda should have planted those seeds earlier
Well, doing stuff? You ought to consider that Usopp hasn't really been doing stuff since, say, Wano (and for most it's even further than that).
I agree with that
usually i can see when oda intends to do stuff with the straw hats like when franky chased after lilith i was like ok franky's getting a vegapunk upgrade
It's funny because he did plant seeds but like 20 years ago
Regarding Usopp and his respect for Elbaf warriors
Facts
Agreed
I do think Usopp will make Loki his friend
Fuck Meeks life
Idk if that's a hot take
Usopp is gonna set loki straight
he's done it with every other giant it's kinda his thing isn't it
Yep
It would if Socrates was here
but bisexual loki theory
But him and Loki are really similar so I really want to see it.
I raise my bottle of water in honour of the fallen
Actually no, I don't think I care....
so tuff
Cuh

his iconic nipples
wait til you hear what will smith did to chris rock
no i didnt
Good point
EL OH EL
I do my part
where are you getting these from
man this makes me even mader at the Jelloapocalyse Rage bait video
Oda has tonnes of comments thanking his assitants
and promoting their work
literally how dare!
bro says oda would rather die than credit his assistants
what video is that
it's the easiest way to check these older ones
im not gonna link that trash lol
imagine if we get spoiled because of a group of idiots
that jello apocalypse video was so weird it felt like ragebait for the sake of clicks rather than lighthearted poking fun. his jojo's video was poking fun and it was silly
Thatās how most spoils happen tbf- a group of idiots being the leakers
i'd say he's washed but he's always been washed
how you guys think thoos arc gonna end
I DONT KNOW IM SORRY
but if i had to guess loki eats someone
imu possibly
and eustass comes back
most probably
yeah
i wonder how many chaps itll be till we see loki's hybrid
i feel like oda might hide it for a long time like he did with the other "dragon"
Lol Kishimoto challenges Oda to a game of Tekken in one of his comments
Also apprantly Oda bought him an action figure as a souviner when he visted america
I love these notes
You Toei fiends is hilarious
Don't be ridiculous kid isnt coming back
man I wanan find the Japanese for these
I really really wish someone digitzied every issue of jump from like the 70s to now
it's so hard to source things
I was trying to find out the other day when the One Piece logo would've debuted
I thought it might not have until volume 1 of the manga
I didn't realize this but the volumes remove the logo
this one random facebook post confirmed to me that chapter 2 infact had the logo at publication
I kinda convinced myself that the cover page design just changed at some point lol
because I haven't got many later Japanese volumes
I wish we could just have access to all the WSJ versions easier tho
Kid will return
I heard that some guy already narrowed down what bay it's in
You get enough rich people on it, they'll find it
woah that twitter user's mom's friend's niece is in one piece
I think most peopleās families have some sort of connection to a famous person
I think for mine my sister worked with Benjamin Bratt once
WHICH IS MORE LIKELY?
Kid comes back
Usopp character development
Lunami
Yasopp reunion is guaranteed
all 3 equally likely
Even Lunami
unironically it's lunami, they're at least going to stay together EOS lol (and trying to talk shit while being a fan of other SH ships like frobin or zosan is like the pot calling the kettle black)
I have like no confidence in usopp being written well, and kid returning... 
I think it will be almost 100 chapters soon since he was sent underwater
it's fun driving you mad with ships
like crazy mad, not angry mad
Harsh has gone full on brainrot
Tis how it goes now
Harsh ullu
Yeah ullu ka patha
Idiot
I see
One more to my vocabulary
When it comes to Hindi curses I usually just use the hardcore ones
Good one
grade 5 level gali man
benchod
now thats more like it
Sak bandar h
Incorrect spelling man
bhenchod
Ullu is my most favourite hindi word, it's so cute
doesn't it also mean owl
Yes
This one piece discourse on twitter about the Elbaph arc is making me want to delete twitter
make sure to avoid one piece discussion on twitter as much as possible
they are not real
wow harsh was teaching them slang
I've never seen the fanbase so united in thinking oda's washed
it wasn't even that bad of a chapter, oda's written worse
Its just how inconsequential DR is
Unless imu uses it on loki and gets some tension back
Its a pretty clear sign of whats gonna happen
that part was definitely bad, I just don't think it makes oda a totally shit writer or the elbaf arc unsalvagable
Its like having the ability to mind control someone until they get tickled
And that reverts it
Like what ?
The arc isn't bad
Just this one ability that the antagonist is spamming
Is just rough of a concept
People are hoping imu just spams domi reversi
And thats just not interesting
yeah, imu needs to show off a deeper bag
i mean they already do have a potentially fun kit
where's the zoan form, haki attacks etc.
theyre just using the boring ability right now
I can see why Jesuschrist
reminds me of when chapter 1057 dropped
jesus
but this chapter was like nothing
twitter is a shit hole
wassup
what was in 1057
end of Wano
also people are confusing domi reverse with the deep sea covenant
I remember 1167 it was a masterpiece
combine those 2 things and its just shit discussions
what was wrong with it?
yamato didn't join
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Iāve seen that a lot too, people are mad lost and confused
saying that Harald is⦠alive ?
I need to save that Oda reading comprehension pic
wano ending
It was the second most controversial chapter in OP fr by how people were reacting to it
bonney g5 was up there too
nĆŗmero uno will always be chapter 1044
i remember G5 itself creating a lot of disappointment
people were dropping essays on that shi
people have stopped reading because of g5
yep
joke answer? we more likely to get imu as luffy's mom than any of these
legitamate answer? usopp development
you really cant blame people for reacting the way they did to the yamato chapter considering how oda cliffhangered it the previous
I remember people here were believing that the fruit was going to be Tamaās 
rushed ending + we got no resolution for zoro and kaido just kinda didnt get a backstory
cause they couldnāt even think of Luffy having a special fruit
this shit borderline malicious in nature
I remember how excited I wasā¦
it was all a dream
what was oda doing half the time in act 3 of wano lmao
Glad dickheads are all away
laughing about how he was about to complete 25 years of trolling
what resolution for Zoro

visiting ryuma's grave, fleshing out his bloodline and things of that nature
I was called ācrazyā and āinsaneā for saying it was going to be Luffyās fruit
that SBS reveal shit is so dead put it in the manga
break week...
didn't really need a spotlight
āfleshing out his bloodlineā like what?
how is that important
zoro meeting pinzoro in wano
bad chapter for break too
fr
While in hiding, Oden snuck out into the capital each night and kidnapped several women to bring back, thus forming a harem. The women were free to leave at any time they wanted, but preferred to stay with Oden.
mid ass chapter
my fault for thinking that the one character we have on the crew with a connection to thie shimotsukis should have tangible ties to wano
it could have been as background as the vinsmoke family it just needs to be there
instead we got useless panels/pages of raizo & fukurokuju burning in fire while standing still lol
stay on that side when usopp gets absolutely nothing this arc
Peak
I mean didn't hyogoro and kawamatsu bring up the resemblance between zoro and ushimaru/ryuma?
and that just went nowhere lol
Yeah not every character needs to have this
why would zoro not be deserving
who said not deserving
you
i mean it makes sense
the reason kaido was able to raze wano in the first place was because oden wasn't there to protect it. him galavanting around with pirates when he SHOULD have protected his kingdom
now yamato has the gift of being able to look back with hindsight. She knows the kingdom needs a protector
i said it doesn't need to be that way lol
and she takes up the title of protector to surpass oden
which it didn't
arguing semantics at this point but it was a shit decision by oda that it wasn't that way
iām glad Oda showed that a good timeline Yamato , is one that stopped with the Oden shit lol
you think it's over šššš
That's bcs he has become the version he wanted to be
Oda indirectly confirmed Yamato wanting to be Oden is a mental illness 
instead of continuously larping
lol if itās not over then we are indeed in the bad timeline
lmao even Oda knows that shit is wrong
be yourself
š
Oda gonna flashback Zoro visit Ryuma grave for a powerup in future
mmmmmm power up flashbacks
What's he gonna take this time, ryuma's eyeball?
his haki sash
https://enclose.horse Day 68
š PERFECT! š 100% @cosmic hamlet
I stopped playing this
š
why?bcs it got easier?
Idk i got bored
I think Zoro visit Ryuma grave is saved for last
Like end of One Piece
When Zoro marries Hiyori & settles down in Wano
That's when it'll happen
this is just an upside down redo of the warlord rollcall
only with a bunvh of dialogue added instead of infoboxes
can anyone send their bumsopp funny images, i want to make something
But when Luffy does something because he saw shanks doing it
Going to write this here : I personally think it wouldve been more impacting if Dorry and Broggy actually killed each other for real, their whole speech about dying with pride wouldve reached me better that way
Ye ye Oda never kills
(deserved)
But were going endgame, he need to kill characters
The world of One piece isnt all sunshine and rainbows, he depicts horrible things and yet he cant bring himself to kill characters
Someone has sent me a DM asking me to do an āemergencyā stream tonight to discuss the state of Elbaphš
What the hell even happened in 1176?! (Rhetorical)
LMAO
Who is aj
thanks for the positive reinforcement