also-manga

[honest garden]

I imagine ACoC is gonna be a part of it

[shadow knoll]

no shit

[muted hedge]

i'm so glad with the color scheme that Kilingham has

[shadow python]

Bonney can just say she wants a future where shes an Imu eating jellyfish

[mental lake]

agreed

[fringe escarp]

That train didn’t even depart it never arrived bro

[shadow knoll]

coc over acoc

[shadow python]

Her power is limited solely by her imagination

[fringe escarp]

Acoc is rated E for irrelevant

[honest garden]

You acted like you didn't know

[mental lake]

The black and yellow work so well together

[safe cove]

the aura kinda gone when he's not in his zoan form

[shadow knoll]

lemme cope for a lil bit, im hurt from this chappter

it''s rough out there man

[graceful pasture]

i just realized he has a singular horn omg why does he have to be racist

[fringe escarp]

Is killingham nika because he has zeh white clouds and uses imagination 🤓

[honest garden]

What about it?

[shadow python]

Is it because Franky is now on Sanjis level without haki?

[honest garden]

The demon giants?

[fringe escarp]

*above

[honest garden]

I thought the demon giants was a little disappointing

[muted hedge]

the singular horn is something i noticed only recently too, i thought he had two horns

[fringe escarp]

Primarily cuz they did nothing

[fringe escarp]

EW

[shadow knoll]

everything until dorry and brogy getting back up was fine

[fringe escarp]

WHY WOULD YOU POINT THAT OUT

[fringe escarp]

we needed more time with them

[shadow knoll]

even Franky getting sudden buff outta vegapunk's ass

[shadow python]

I think its fine. Domi reversii was considered too strong before. And arguably still is. But if we can fix the problem by just killing them we're fine

[shadow knoll]

couldn't have done that in egghead

[fringe escarp]

You saying “even” like it wasn’t the highlight

[muted hedge]

let me point it out even more

[mental lake]

Wow he really does have one horn

[honest garden]

I like the villain being OP. Now it seems like SH and allies are too OP

[mental lake]

I thought it was two lol

[fringe escarp]

Franky is just him

[muted hedge]

i did as well, i guess angles can be a bitch sometimes

[fringe escarp]

He was alr OP as fuck before this buff

[honest garden]

The Franky buff too I wish was a little more collaborative. If Franky and Vega had one line about working together on their way to Elbaf it'd feel a lot more earned

[shadow knoll]

took like 2 mins to give him the super cola when he could have gotten that in egghead and saved vegapunk from gorosei

[mental lake]

vega cola franky vs jinbei who yall got

[shadow python]

If the answer to domi was just some chopper medicine or Luffy saying no. Itd be too easy. But now when Loki turns we'll have to actually beat him

[shadow knoll]

bum ahh plot

[fringe escarp]

They were all separated from one another and the cola shit wasn’t a talking point until Kizaru got there

[mental lake]

Well vegapunk kinda had to die to play the message

[shadow python]

It should be noted that strong right was like Frankys weakest attack

[fringe escarp]

It is, I’m scared to imagine a buffed radical beam

[muted hedge]

this was also the first time of realization for Lilith that Franky was powered by Cola lol

[fringe escarp]

That shit is nuking mountains

[shadow python]

If his basic punch is Sanji level he might be the strongest strawhat right now

[fringe escarp]

Like it’s not a bad thing that they’re sitting down and talking abt it now

[mental lake]

It's so nice to see franky get a moment

[fringe escarp]

If it happened in egghead it wouldn’t be any more “earned” than it is now

[mental lake]

it's been so long since we've seen bro

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-franky-robot-franky-one-piece-cyborg-gif-5002603836885805274

[shadow knoll]

just give usopp ragnir and ill be in terms again

[shadow knoll]

if not im starting ww3 definitely

[honest garden]

True. I just think with this sort of thing there's a big perceived difference between a little amount of foreshadowing and it being used in the same chapter

[shadow knoll]

won't let Oda finish OP

[fringe escarp]

Toss usopp out

[ruby moat]

ur too late

[honest garden]

Usopp stocks are absolutely rock bottom rn

[fringe escarp]

“BUH Usopp isn’t about fighting bro his CHARACTER BROOO”

[shadow python]

We've known since enies that Franky can use sources besides cola as fuel

[honest garden]

He is getting publically executed if he doesn't do something this arc

[shadow python]

I just didnt think he'd actually get a super cola until the final war

[fringe escarp]

Franky basically got a SSJ form

[honest garden]

True, but those were gags. I really don't mind this being brought back up but I think it could've had a small amount more setup

[shadow knoll]

cover art was good though

[fringe escarp]

Tbf what he has is still cola

It’s just infused with flames

[honest garden]

Yeah I know

[shadow python]

I think this was just a teaser of what Super Franky can do

[ruby moat]

vegapunk gave him some of the OG coca cola that still has the cocaine in it

[honest garden]

Really though, just one line in egghead with vega telling Franky his power source is interesting or something like that

[shadow python]

Strong right is just a basic punch. But now his nipple lights will be a solar flare

[fringe escarp]

He did

[coral crypt]

Franky just got a crazy upscale. SUPERRRRRR

[fringe escarp]

On the Vega 01 iirc

[honest garden]

I mean as an explicit form of setup

[shadow knoll]

that what im saying

it's so asssssssssss

[shadow knoll]

no build up

nothing

[fringe escarp]

Yes they did they were discussing his power source as strange as fuck

[shadow knoll]

just out of nowhere

[fringe escarp]

What is there to build up

Like actually what else could they have done

[honest garden]

Well there's this

[fringe escarp]

Flames being power source was a concept explored in egghead

[honest garden]

It's not complicated, Vegapunk musing over the power supply. Nobody thought of this line as more than a throwaway interaction

[fringe escarp]

I mean ngl I expected this to lead to green blood cola

I think a lot of ppl expected a green blood buff for franky

[shadow python]

Ew that sounds disgusting

[shadow knoll]

this is like a super major buff, when zoro got wano, sanji got wci + egghead, jimbei well he already mastered everything

[shadow python]

I dont want to drink bloody cola

[shadow knoll]

this clanker got a super cola handed over

and oopsie daisy

[fringe escarp]

Brother it’s technology

What is there to “work” for

[honest garden]

I didn't see anyone saying that

[shadow python]

I think i remember the early egghead with the fries and cola and there was talk about Franky using the vega cola for an upgrade

[honest garden]

I saw a lot of folks, myself included, who were excited about Franky being upgraded in Egghead

[shadow knoll]

yessssssssss

i know

if oda did this exact same thing in egghead

it would have been fine

cuz thematic

[fringe escarp]

I personally saw it a lot when discussing possible franky buffs

[shadow knoll]

but so out of place

in elbaf

[honest garden]

I don't think most people have an issue with Franky getting buffed, there's just some small things I think could've made it feel better

Especially since we haven't seen Lilith in ages

[fringe escarp]

The arc directly following egghead with a vegapunk now being a part of their group?

With Lilith even saying they’ll set up a lab in elbaf in the ancient 3000 year old one?

[prisma yacht]

Its not

out of place

elbaf was always supposed to be important to franky

Bcs of his dream regarding the adam tree

[honest garden]

That's certainly a reading of Franky

[fringe escarp]

Franky was alr spending a lot of time with Lilith in this arc

Actually he spent his ENTIRE time on elbaf with Lilith

[shadow python]

He also spent some time with Gyabans wife

[fringe escarp]

If anything it only makes sense VP cooked something up

Otherwise Lilith is just kind of

Here

[thick mango]

People didn't like the franky thing? That was the best part of the chapter

[fringe escarp]

Actual pay off for franky and Lilith

[honest garden]

Franky

1. Is a cyborg
2. Spent 2 years studying vegatech
3. Weebed over meeting vega

Compared to making a boat out of a wood

[thick mango]

I'm so glad franky is powering up on tech and not just homogenizing into haki for everyone

[honest garden]

Nobody dislikes it lol. The argument is that we think it could've been done better

[fringe escarp]

The wood is def not the focus of franky

[shadow knoll]

thank you

[fringe escarp]

But the ancient lab in elbaf plus Lilith becoming a part of the group now

[shadow python]

Franky should still learn haki because...why not?

[honest garden]

I really like this for Franky, I just feel it could've been setup better or that Franky could've been involved in the invention

[thick mango]

Cause variety is good.

[shadow python]

But im more than satisfied with his boost

[fringe escarp]

And elbaf directly follows egghead

If this happened like 2-3 arcs later I’d be irritating it took so long

[shadow python]

Robin should also have fishman karate

[honest garden]

If franky just also had haki I wouldn't care. He'd still use his cyborg tech

[fringe escarp]

But egghead only ended like 50 chapters ago

[shadow knoll]

it's not that, i just hated on the fact Oda failed to kill characters yet another time

[honest garden]

Anyway, I feel like I've expressed my misgivings enough already. Glad Franky is getting a powerup

[thick mango]

Imo it dilutes things. Don't half ass two things full ass one thing

[shadow python]

Dorry and Broggy died. They just got better

[thick mango]

I gave up on that like hundreds of chapters ago

[shadow python]

Rocks is also possibly alive thanks to this chapter

[fringe escarp]

No

That’s just you not reading the story

[honest garden]

That's the biggest argument against it I feel. If they get haki they'd probably need a few pages each and it'd get repetitive

[shadow knoll]

so if dorry and brogy came back to life, harald is alive?

[fringe escarp]

Nigga

[muted hedge]

Harald wasn't domi reversed

[thick mango]

No harald and rocks are dead

[shadow python]

Harald is dead

[muted hedge]

and Xebec had the island imploding on him and Garling stabbing him

[fossil nimbus]

Harald wasn't domi reversi'd plus he seemed to be in his correct mind state before being killed

[fringe escarp]

Why the actual fuck do people think Harald got domi reversid

This is actual zero brain cell reading

Same with rocks being alive

[honest garden]

It's fine if people forget this stuff. It's all new, there's like 4 new transformations right now

And Oda is infamous for the fake-out

[fringe escarp]

The fact that it is new should make it more fresh

[thick mango]

Even if rocks technically could have lived he'd be ancient at this point like 70-90. And it makes no sense that he'd be all about his family going into God valley, lives, but never reunites with his family

[fringe escarp]

Harald died like what 6 chapters ago?

[thick mango]

That's like 2 months ago to be fair

[muted hedge]

if Garling didn't appear to kill him, then i could buy it more

[fringe escarp]

And it was a 2 chapter plot

[fossil nimbus]

true

[fringe escarp]

It wasn’t a niche detail

[muted hedge]

but given Maffey, Sommers and Garling checked up on him and made sure he died. it's quite frankly impossible for him to be alive

[thick mango]

People got shit going on other than perfectly remembering one piece chapter details

[shadow knoll]

i couldn't care less about the power, mate. Just don't give characters plot armor when you are willing to orchestrate genocides

[fringe escarp]

Bruh this isn’t a small detail tho it’s obvious

Rocks being alive is equally as brain dead

You would have to completely forget how rocks died to think this

[honest garden]

Cmon, you're not better than anyone for getting this right the first time

[thick mango]

I think it's obvious they're both dead.
But I can perfectly understand why someone might mix up pact mind controlled vs domi mind controlled

[fringe escarp]

I’m not acting like I’m big brained or ingenious for remembering this, this just isn’t niche info

Forgetting the domi taking lifespan thing? That was long enough and small enough to forget about I can understand that

HOW rocks died isn’t a minor moment

Harald not being a giant fucking demon is not a minor moment

[shadow python]

He died from getting killed

[muted hedge]

it's not that big of a deal, lol

[fringe escarp]

If it was one or two ppl it wouldn’t

[honest garden]

Well whatever I don't care enough to butt heads

[fringe escarp]

This is so fucking common I’ve seen this asked like a hundred times today alone

[shadow knoll]

lmao

call YC and Snod

[covert bobcat]

oda took time to explain the covenant contracts hopefully he explains domi reversi soon

[shadow knoll]

need more One Piece haters

[thick mango]

So wouldn't that be evidence that it is easier to mix up than you're making it out to be

[honest garden]

YC likes one piece doesn't he?

[shadow knoll]

Only in disguise

[shadow python]

Everyone likes one piece. One piece is great

[fringe escarp]

No it’s evidence that ppl speed read one piece chapters

[shadow knoll]

He's still salty about the movie getting delayed though

[fringe escarp]

I don’t read these chapters more than like two times

[muted hedge]

i wonder what the new movie could even be about

[honest garden]

Most folks read the chapter once

[muted hedge]

given Oda said it's something the fans will find interesting

[thick mango]

I dunno man you should be more patient and understanding. Or don't I'm not your dad

[prisma yacht]

It feels like ur undermining his end goal dream....like this is what boost franky to go on adventures and allat

[celest mauve]

it's amusing that everyone's wearing their FMI outfits except for nami and robin (and luffy has different colored shorts)

[fringe escarp]

I am if it’s a small amount of people

[prisma yacht]

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[celest mauve]

maybe oda realized he did a little too much with nami and robin's outfits back then

[fringe escarp]

I’ve had to explain this shit all night last night

[ruby moat]

gotta be luffy's most famous outfit

[fringe escarp]

Back to back

[muted hedge]

so, is Luffy's original outfit now counted as the onigashima one?

i thought it'd be the FMI one lol

[shadow knoll]

Holy someone said it

[celest mauve]

it's been a long time since I've seen him with blue shorts

[shadow knoll]

I'm so happy

[honest garden]

Well the ship is built, now he's focusing on everything else. To act as though being in the presence of the adam tree is more important than being in the presence of technoland I feel isn't the most accurate

[shadow python]

One piece villains get progressively less impressive

Shiki rival of Roger
Zephyr former admiral
Tesoro...some man
Bullet doesnt help my argument
And Uta some little girl

[muted hedge]

yeah, i kinda miss that look

[shadow knoll]

He didn't sexualize them this time

[muted hedge]

all he needed was a cloak

[shadow python]

Next one piece villain will be Makinos baby

[fringe escarp]

Shiki is not impressive

Shiki lost to pre ts gear 3 bro

Uta by comparison was a god

[muted hedge]

it feels like you're undermining these characters a smidge

[celest mauve]

right as he drops that SBS about women possibly not wearing panties

[prisma yacht]

Hey I never said that
All I said was it being elbaf is not out of place cause elbaf was always supposed to be connected with franky as well

[shadow knoll]

LMFAOOOOO

IKRRRRRR

[celest mauve]

shiki looks like ass after the rocks flashback

[shadow knoll]

I just love the backlash he got for it, well deserved ngl

[muted hedge]

like saying Uta is a little girl while completely dismissing the fact that she basically controlled a pocket universe where only she could rule and then became a giant demonic being...

[barren token]

I thnk he just likes dressing up nami and robin more than the boys lol

[celest mauve]

I remember when he was in talks of being 3rd strongest after rocks and WB, even "cabin boy" kaido got upscaled over him in the end

[muted hedge]

Uta has probably been the biggest movie villain they've faced so far i'd argue

[fringe escarp]

Easier is to call Shiki weaker than rob lucci

[muted hedge]

what

[barren token]

the girls outfits change way more than the boys in manga and in colour spreads

[celest mauve]

understandable, female fashion is more intriguing than male fashion imo

[fringe escarp]

Because he lost to fucking gear 3

[fringe escarp]

Not canon Shiki

[shadow python]

Uta doesnt sound as impressive as the people who came before her

[celest mauve]

it's just more noticeable here because all of the guys have the FMI fits

[fringe escarp]

Specifically movie Shiki

Who was insanely fodder

[muted hedge]

i don't even know if Strong World is canon even more, considering that in the latest SBS Oda confirmed that Shiki is still alive and is like 70 years old

[muted hedge]

well, i guess they had to as it was the current times

[fringe escarp]

No they don’t that’s just promotional shit

[celest mauve]

I would say the story isn't canon but all of the characterization is

[covert bobcat]

lol aren’t all these movie characters

[fringe escarp]

He always gives the guys new outfits each arc

[shadow python]

Like even Gild Tesoro was known as the richest man alive or something. Uta was at best a popular idol

[covert bobcat]

for the most part

[fringe escarp]

Yes I think he meant movies only

[muted hedge]

Shiki was still very impressive, lifting a whole island and manipulating the earth to shape it, making lions lol

[covert bobcat]

ah ok

[muted hedge]

that sounds plausible

[fringe escarp]

Do you just mean their history?

[celest mauve]

the male SHs are very clearly wearing their FMI fits besides luffy with his differently colored shorts, wdym

[fringe escarp]

Or strength

[shadow python]

Their prestige

[honest garden]

I think Hanon's point is more that the concept of these characters has been getting less relevant over time. Going from a Roger rival to a Vtuber makes it seem like the scope of the story got smaller

[celest mauve]

oda wrote the movie lol

[fringe escarp]

Oh then yeah

[celest mauve]

he wrote the full screenplay, plot, whatever

[fringe escarp]

Uta history is being shanks’s “kid”

In quotes because he barely raised her

[prisma yacht]

👀

[muted hedge]

yeah, though i thought he had people pushing him to make it

[celest mauve]

he was even going to delve into's nami true past before deciding to save it for the manga

[muted hedge]

daamn

well that confirms that Nami does have a special past and everyone speculating on it aren't batshit crazy

[shadow python]

Going by the Loki flashback Uta got abandoned 3 separate times

[nimble patio]

Bro couldn’t help himself lol

[fringe escarp]

When was this said

[celest mauve]

let me find the interview

[shadow python]

Shiki was supposes to be Namis daddy

[fringe escarp]

Cuz I’ve never heard this before

[fringe escarp]

Where is this article

Send the link

[shadow python]

I wanted Nami vs Summers but i don't think its happening now

[muted hedge]

Sommers is probably coming back in a chapter or two

[ionic palm]

to get chopped up by Zoro

time for Sommers to develop a new PTSD

first Gaban, now Zoro

screaming in fear when he'll inevitably see him again later :p

[barren token]

how did we all like this chapter?:D

[celest mauve]

this is old as hell so I can't find a link, but even sandman brought it up some time ago

[muted hedge]

i feel like Sanji is the one who'll face Sommers
Zoro will take over with Kilingham

or at least that's what i want

[ionic palm]

either way, they'll probably get instantly obliterated in a short while since it doesn't seem like they're strong fighters to begin with

[celest mauve]

and there's this from the film gold backstage pass as it's called

[ionic palm]

just overly relying on immortality

[shadow knoll]

austrian painter of OP

[shadow python]

His powers are an upgrade to Miss doublefingers Namis first major fight.

Hes a sick man who specializes in attacking kids the thing Nami hates most.

He was possibly the one who killed her birth parents given bell mere rescued her from a battlefield

[shadow knoll]

don't believe in sandman

[shadow python]

For Namis last one on one Summers would be perfect

[shadow knoll]

he has power to influence oda himself

[muted hedge]

i don't know, i think Oda will ramp them up steadily as the main fighters get to their positions

[ionic palm]

eh, still disagree. From how I see it, they're more or less going to be glorified fodder that can't be put down easily because of the immortality shit they have.

[shadow python]

According to Gyaban anyone without CoC shouldnt even bother

[ionic palm]

and may or may not just serve as power-up moments for both Zoro and Sanji

[muted hedge]

they're definitely not fodder

[ionic palm]

one will awaken CoC while the other will learn to fully control it

at least, thats what Im currently thinking.

[shadow python]

Let Jinbabe have CoC Sanji only needs the power of love

[celest mauve]

oykot being destroyed happened 20 years ago, 18 years after god valley and we know the hunting competition takes place every 3 years, and 3 x 6 = 18
we were told by the narrator that pirates ravaged oykot but the narrator has been wrong before, maybe it was a cover-up for what really happened (which also could've given bell-mere additional reason to leave the marines)

[muted hedge]

so, Nami would be a Shepherd then

[celest mauve]

not the narrator even, genzo told nami about oykot

[fringe escarp]

I won’t comment on this since this is too vague for me to be confident in saying one way or the other

[outer flax]

If they are fodder
How did sommers best robin lmao

[fringe escarp]

I will say that if namis past is in his mind it’s def not relevant anymore

[outer flax]

Low diff saul

[shadow python]

I don't...think we're still doing the hunting games? But if we are ir is really interesting the timeline matches up

[outer flax]

Definitely not fodder

[muted hedge]

it's definitely relevant still, Nami is one of the main characters

[fringe escarp]

Hunting games stopped

[shadow python]

Robin doesnt have haki. She is scrub. But she is a scrub with a billion berry bounty

[fringe escarp]

That doesn’t matter, remember Zoro

[ionic palm]

I dont think there's really anything important that can come out of a expanded Nami background at this point.

[muted hedge]

do we know for sure that they stopped with the hunting games after God Valley?

[celest mauve]

how are you so sure? oda had sanji's 2nd backstory in mind as far back as jaya (2002) but only explored it in 2017

[muted hedge]

world building in general thrives when there are flashbacks, specifically about these things

[ionic palm]

there hasnt been any note of the Hunts being ran again after the GV incident

can assume they stopped due to safety concerns

[fringe escarp]

Because he didn’t bother elaborating on zoro’s and that had actual in-depth evidence for it

[muted hedge]

Zoro's past isn't important to him as a character

[fringe escarp]

That’s what oda decided to do

[shadow python]

Not the safety of the civilians mind you but the safety of the dragons

[fringe escarp]

That doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been

And that’s kind of my point

Namis past isn’t relevant to her

She never knew her parents

[muted hedge]

yeah since no matter if Zoro knows how his father died or that he is the descendant of Ryuma, his goal would stay the same

[fringe escarp]

She never knew her home

[celest mauve]

why does this mean nami can't get another backstory? zoro is seen as the 2nd main character over sanji, yet it's sanji who got another backstory lol

[muted hedge]

Zoro doesn't care about the past, he walks towards the future

[celest mauve]

even brook is getting another flashback soon I'm sure

[covert bobcat]

the WG look like a bunch of chumps and losers, they are getting slapped around by everyone lol

[fringe escarp]

Nigga Zoro literally looks to his past in wano to inform his future

[ionic palm]

Zoro never mentioned any sort of care about his past aside from his with Kuina, so no it wouldn't have mattered nor could it be.

[muted hedge]

Nami's backstory being revealed, with her barely knowing it could shape her character in a completely different way

[muted hedge]

well it's still not important to Zoro as a character

sorry to say

[shadow python]

Zoro cares deeply about his past. But specifically his past. His promise to Kuina drives him every day. He regrets the stupid promise he made with Luffy every night

[fringe escarp]

Because Oda chose not to make it important

[covert bobcat]

tbf what is there left to explore with nami and her background

[muted hedge]

no, because Zoro's character doesn't need it

[muted hedge]

it's that simple

[fringe escarp]

Why doesn’t he

[shadow python]

Zoro will ask Iva to make him into a girl

[covert bobcat]

nami doesn’t need an extensive backstory, we saw that in arlong park

[shadow python]

Or i guess Doc Q can do it

[muted hedge]

i mean we already know most of his childhood, he was born in Shimotsuki village and trained there

there's not much to expand on with Zoro's backstory

[fringe escarp]

Irrelevant because I can argue the same for Nami

[shadow python]

We also know that he got beat by Kuina 2001 times

[celest mauve]

idk ask oda, he's the one who brought it up twice

[fringe escarp]

Nami was a infant when her parents died

At least Zoro was old enough to know his parents

[shadow python]

Nami was also laughing in a mountain of corpses

[ionic palm]

it doesnt do anything. Because again, he never once made any of importance about his non-Kuina past. His past with Kuina and his training in his home village was all he cared about.

His past aside from that is irrelevant to him, even if he does know and offscreen told people about it as some history of his.

[fringe escarp]

And the village he lived in is literally founded by his ancestors

[covert bobcat]

Zoro’s lineage is interesting enough to have it be brought up which should’ve been done in wano instead of an sbs but that is over now and no point in ever revisiting it

[shadow python]

It was the sadistic circumstances of her situation that made people think she was one of big moms

[covert bobcat]

oh

[muted hedge]

no, since Nami and Nojiko came from a ruined kingdom and then were adopted by Bellemere, there's a lot of story to tell as to why said kingdom was ruined or where Nami's roots actually come from.

we got most of this in an SBS when it comes to Zoro

Zoro's father was killed by pirates and his mother died to an illness

[fringe escarp]

That’s not relevant to Nami because namis character has literally nothing to do with her lineage

[celest mauve]

and also there's no confirmation that the hunting competitions ever stopped, like yes we haven't heard about any other besides god valley but there's nothing that says they stopped after that incident

[covert bobcat]

Oda had several chances to explore zoro’s backstory in wano, and if he didn’t do it there i doubt he’ll do it after

[muted hedge]

it's very relevant lol

[ionic palm]

you can literally argue the same with Zoro.

[shadow python]

Wano was too short

[muted hedge]

clearly by Oda having thoughts of it even back then

[fringe escarp]

Brother I literally did

LMAO

[barren token]

I don't think it's unlikely we see more about Namis past

[fringe escarp]

I compared Nami to Zoro

[muted hedge]

which is a dumb comparison

[covert bobcat]

not every character is gonna be like sanji and have an extensive family history

[shadow python]

If Nami gets a one v one with Summers i think we'll expand on Namis past but i don't think its happening

[muted hedge]

as they're two different characters with completely different needs

[fringe escarp]

Oda had thoughts about Zoro and the shimotsuki since his introduction 🤷‍♂️

[muted hedge]

Zoro doesn't require a fleshed out backstory, Nami does

[fringe escarp]

Nami doesn’t “need” anything

[muted hedge]

yeah, he is the descendant of Ryuma
that's all we needed to know

[barren token]

Nami has one tho

[astral zephyr]

Loki is stronger than Yamato

I’m not wrong

[shadow python]

Nami needs some pants

[covert bobcat]

nami already had a backstory in arlong park

[fringe escarp]

Namis history as a character is completely explored

[astral zephyr]

Her original birth

[fringe escarp]

Zoros isn’t at all he literally just appears one day in the village

[astral zephyr]

Original parent

[shadow python]

Shiki?

[fringe escarp]

And decides to live there

[muted hedge]

yeah, with Bellemere and Nojiko
still not her original parents or where she originally was born

[fringe escarp]

Not relevant to who she is as a person

[covert bobcat]

oda will probably mention it in an sbs if anything

[astral zephyr]

Like almost all straw hats have shown their parents

Nami haven’t

[barren token]

Hers fricking died man

[muted hedge]

please, don't make stuff up

[balmy field]

is IMU controlling her ?

[covert bobcat]

he’s been using these sbs to include lore bits that he didn’t have time for which is kinda weird

[astral zephyr]

Hope not

[barren token]

Her mother is Bellmere

[muted hedge]

definitely is

[barren token]

it is not

[astral zephyr]

Orange hair is something else

[balmy field]

reread one piece

[muted hedge]

i don't think so, given he already had thoughts on going over it in Strong World

[fringe escarp]

Brother Zoro was not raised entirely by his master

[astral zephyr]

@balmy field

[barren token]

This is annoying I came in here to argue that Nami could get more about her past but the people on my side are arguing it the most annoying way possible

[balmy field]

yeah

[astral zephyr]

Loki is stronger than Yamato

[shadow python]

I think the Lola thing will be covered in an Sbs rather than the story which is unfortunate

[muted hedge]

i mean, his father died against pirates and his mother died from an illness

would he be raised by wolves?

[balmy field]

yeah

[astral zephyr]

Loki killed his father
Yamato couldn’t kill his father

So

Loki >>>>>>> Yamato

[covert bobcat]

yeah he had thoughts about including zoro and moria’s backstories in wano and didn’t and they were answered in sbs’

[fringe escarp]

Information we learned in a SBS that could’ve been informed in the manga

[barren token]

Redo the entire schooling system one go around clearly wasn't enough for you

[fringe escarp]

Moria esp is insane

[balmy field]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cinema-absolute-absolutecinema-9EvnXdZaUZbCqScn67

[fringe escarp]

Morias is ACTUALLY detailed

[covert bobcat]

fr, could’ve been a single panel alluding the fact a figure like moria originated from wano one way or another

[fringe escarp]

Namis lineage is genuinely irrelevant to her as a person

[astral zephyr]

@balmy field one more thing

[muted hedge]

whatever

agree to disagree

clearly we won't come to an understanding either way

[balmy field]

rebirth do schooling 60 times and then read one piece till you understand that NAMI PARENT IS NOT BELLEMERE

[astral zephyr]

Nika is god
Joyboy is giant
Luffy is human

[fringe escarp]

She could be the daughter of a queen of a fallen kingdom and it wouldn’t matter because she isn’t a princess

[muted hedge]

she would be a princess in that case, lol

but sure

[fringe escarp]

No she would be a girl

[shadow python]

I liked thinking she was a charlotte

[astral zephyr]

Nika and Joyboy and Luffy are the same person

[fringe escarp]

A normal girl

[balmy field]

joyboy being a giant is a crazy theory and knowing ODA this can be TRUE

[astral zephyr]

Just reincarnated

[muted hedge]

no she would be a princess from a ruined kingdom

[covert bobcat]

Brook is the only SH atm where his backstory is still a big mystery, and i think we’ll see a glimpse of his earlier life with gunko and the kingdom he is from

[astral zephyr]

IMU definitely met Nika, Joyboy, then now Luffy

[fringe escarp]

A princess is a title, a role

She can’t be the princess of nothing lmfao

[muted hedge]

yeah, from what you're born from

[astral zephyr]

Crazy tot think if Nika is actually god, not giant or human

[muted hedge]

like Vivi was a princess since she was born within the royalty line in Arabasta

[muted hedge]

she can

[fringe escarp]

Alabasta still exists

So she’s still a princess

[muted hedge]

yeah, Oykot also exists

it's just in ruins i assume

[fringe escarp]

…so it doesn’t exist

[astral zephyr]

Million island are sinking in sea

[shadow python]

Luffys entire crew will be royalty.

Zoro king of hell
Sanji prince of Germa
Usopp king of sniperisland
Nami Princess of no one
Vivi queen of Alabasta

[fringe escarp]

Owarida

[muted hedge]

come on, you mean just because it's in ruins it doesn't exist?

[barren token]

https://klipy.com/gifs/speechless-smoking-man

[muted hedge]

that's silly

[fringe escarp]

By definition a fallen kingdom is no longer a kingdom

A usurped king is no longer a king

[muted hedge]

it doesn't need to be a kingdom for her to be a princess

[astral zephyr]

IMU killing are over billion @balmy field

IMU War crime is crazy

[fringe escarp]

No way you just said you don’t need a kingdom to be a princess

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/btIas.gif

[muted hedge]

take it from google if you want to doubt

[astral zephyr]

@frail kindle help

[fringe escarp]

Being a daughter of royalty requires your family to still be royalty

[muted hedge]

come on, you're just making excuses after excuse

it's pointless

[fringe escarp]

Not an excuse, otherwise by your logic anyone alive rn related to a king is royalty

[muted hedge]

yes?

that's the case, lol

[fringe escarp]

Even if that kingdom no longer exists

And that king is not a king

[muted hedge]

they're still deriving from a royal line

what is it that you don't understand, lol

[astral zephyr]

Royal bloodline

[fringe escarp]

Because that would apply to a massive population of people

[muted hedge]

well we're talking about the current era

not the past 5000 years

[outer flax]

Anyway W oda for not making drum of liberation music counter to domi reversi on some cringe shit

[fringe escarp]

We talking about a kingdom that no longer exists to a infant who’s parents have long been dead

[outer flax]

[muted hedge]

we don't even know if Nami's parents are dead, that's the thing

[pallid niche]

Ive always been interested in brook backstory ngl

[balmy field]

not NIKA but joyboy and now luffy

[fringe escarp]

Zero reason to assume the monarchs survived

[muted hedge]

you're the one assuming that she's a royalty in the first place

[fringe escarp]

Assuming? Brother I didn’t make that assumption I gave it as a example

As a point that it doesn’t matter where she came from

It never defined her or gave her meaning

[muted hedge]

yes you gave it as an example and now you're running with it as an assumption

[covert bobcat]

it won’t add a single thing to her character

[astral zephyr]

We need to know about Nika

More

[muted hedge]

it definitely will

[fringe escarp]

I’m running with it as a example of how irrelevant one’s past is

[muted hedge]

if not to her character, it would add a lot of world building

[fringe escarp]

World building sure

[pallid niche]

That depends on how it's handled

[fringe escarp]

That’s what sbs is for LOL

[muted hedge]

alright then, let's not flesh out anyones backstory then

deal

[fringe escarp]

Sure, because there’s nothing to flesh out

[covert bobcat]

her being random orphan that belemere adopted is good enough

[muted hedge]

alright, if you say so

[fringe escarp]

Her history is irrelevant to her

[balmy field]

id think she met nika is just like a myth or smth in ancient texts that slaves made the person who saves them as NIKA

[fringe escarp]

She never knew her parents and they basically never knew her

[muted hedge]

i don't care anymore, honestly
this is a pointless discussion eitherway

[covert bobcat]

there is no background that will improve the world building that one piece already has

[fringe escarp]

Fr with Moria that shit actually made his character infinitely better

[covert bobcat]

it can be handled in an sbs

[astral zephyr]

I thinking IMU is order / ancient not 800 ages

[fringe escarp]

Zoro that would’ve made his boring ass backstory have a bit more to it

[astral zephyr]

What if IMU is god

Devil or demon

[pallid niche]

Id prefer if imu is human

[fringe escarp]

It would be insane if he never elaborated on Zoro in a meaningful way then gave the nothing burger of namis parentage importance

[pallid niche]

I think they are

[balmy field]

i can say IMU is a vessel of some god who rivaled NIKA ig and that god and nika vessels fight every ages?

[covert bobcat]

with moria that actually add world building because almost everything connected with moria that we knew like his clash with kaido and all the dead infamous pirates on thriller bark all add to an already lore fill character

[astral zephyr]

Almost all HK and elders power are connected to IMU

[balmy field]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[vital heart]

Oda is such a terrible writer

It baffles me

It baffles me!

[cosmic hamlet]

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[pallid niche]

A human who functionally turned themselves into a god

[fringe escarp]

Also the idea that shimotsuki don’t matter to zoro is insane to begin with since what saved his ass in wano was LITERALLY remembering his history with a shimotsuki that gave him curse sword knowledge

[covert bobcat]

all the backstory with nami was fulfilled in arlong park, the rest can be an sbs q&a

[fringe escarp]

Kuina and his master are now suddenly his actual blood family

[pallid niche]

Thats only true until it isnt

[fringe escarp]

We have no idea why his master even raised him

[pallid niche]

We dont know where oda will take namis character

[covert bobcat]

I can see how zoro as a character doesn’t care about a lineage that doesn’t mean much to him at 21 but like you said it can add to his knowledge of his swordsmanship background or smth

[muted hedge]

it's quite obvious as to why, lol

[astral zephyr]

It seem IMU still live since Nika is disappear then Joyboy lost then now face Luffy D Monkey

[fringe escarp]

Bruh I thought you were done

[pallid niche]

You could've made the same assertion about sanjis lineage being irrelevant prior to wci

[muted hedge]

i am done with the past conversation, this is about why Zoro's master raised him

[fringe escarp]

Nope because we actually had no idea who sanji was for 8 years of his life

Same with zoro

[balmy field]

lol logan paul refrence gng

[fringe escarp]

Nami was bellemeres kid

She knew nothing else

[astral zephyr]

Bruh

[covert bobcat]

but at this point zoro’s backstory is kinda done for since it wasn’t explored in wano and oda answers it in a q&a

[balmy field]

not biological kid and ig the real parents smh connected to WG

[fringe escarp]

Yeah L take

[astral zephyr]

Oda will reveal nami’s orginal birth and parents in Sbs in the future

[fringe escarp]

Doesn’t matter since it doesn’t inform her upbringing

[muted hedge]

okay then what do you want Zoro's backstory to expand upon

[astral zephyr]

Just wait

[covert bobcat]

how, doesn’t seem like oda cared to explore it in the first place

[muted hedge]

we know that he was on born in Shimotsuki village and raised there, his entire life up until he became a bounty hunter

[fringe escarp]

What would I have wanted? To actually see the events that led to his master raising him

[muted hedge]

what is there to expand upon?

[pallid niche]

That doesn't mean that there isnt potentially more to namis background that even she herself isnt yet aware of

[balmy field]

i think NAMI real parents are CD ig its even CHARLOSS family gng idk why

[fringe escarp]

Like did he know his parents? How old was he when they died?

How did his parents inform his dream

[outer flax]

We don't need to explore everything about everyone

[covert bobcat]

they didn’t

[muted hedge]

his parents didn't inform his dream

his dream was built from his battles against Kuina

[covert bobcat]

it was kuina

[fringe escarp]

I’m saying that’s something I would want explored

[outer flax]

They abandoned nami and nojiko

[fringe escarp]

Headcanon we have no idea what made him want to be WSS

[muted hedge]

how would it be explored when it's not based on anything though

[covert bobcat]

fr

[fringe escarp]

kuina only furthered his existing dream

[muted hedge]

and you said that other people were speed reading

[fringe escarp]

Because we have no origin point for it

[fringe escarp]

He’s saying he wants to fight her for the title not that he never wanted it or cares for it before this

[outer flax]

We will explore the origin of zoro dream when zoro fight against mihawk

That's 100%

Oda saving that

[muted hedge]

this was his dream before this

now his dream is becoming the world's strongest swordsman to honor both of them

[pallid niche]

Poor ftm kuina

[fringe escarp]

Question

[outer flax]

He always wanted to best swordman in the world

And wanted no one to best him

[fringe escarp]

Was this panel before or after the first one you posted

[outer flax]

But kuina did

[fringe escarp]

If it’s before then you literally speed read something you JUST read through

Because Kuina directly says it was his dream

[muted hedge]

before

[outer flax]

Wonder if tashigi and kuina connection will lead to something with zoro

[fringe escarp]

nigga don’t tell me I’m speed reading then

You didn’t even read your own evidence

[muted hedge]

i did

[fringe escarp]

Clearly not when Kuina states Zoros goal was alr WSS

[outer flax]

What did kuina said in the dialogue is clear as hell

[fringe escarp]

The panel you first posted is entirely irrelevant

[muted hedge]

well Kuina was the best swordsman on that island, his dream was beating her

[outer flax]

Because she always beaten him

[muted hedge]

he literally says what his dream is, right here

[fringe escarp]

That would require Kuina to be WSS right now

[outer flax]

She always beat zoro

[muted hedge]

which is directly after she asks if he wants to become the number one swordsman

[outer flax]

That's why zoro wanted to best her too to become world strongest swordman

[fringe escarp]

Because she is currently the best on the island

She is his obstacle rn

[muted hedge]

"Beating you is my dream!" that's what Zoro says

outright

it's so clear

[fringe escarp]

Pirate king is luffy’s dream

But that’s just to get to his actual dream

[muted hedge]

you're impossible

[outer flax]

Beating kuina is necessary to be wss

[fringe escarp]

By your logic luffy’s only dream is pirate king

Nothing else after

[outer flax]

Bro just read properly

[fringe escarp]

Stop trying to justify a panel you missed bro move forward

[muted hedge]

Zoro says this as a reply to that one

indicating that his dream was beating her

before this

[outer flax]

What was said before is important

He always wanted to be wss

[fringe escarp]

^

He always wanted to be WSS and that’s his dream

[muted hedge]

whatever you say

[outer flax]

He inherited kuina will and now want to become wss for both of them

[fringe escarp]

Kuina is also his dream

Bro acting like characters can’t have more than one

When our mc literally has two dreams

https://tenor.com/view/who-you-talking-to-gif-20906816

[muted hedge]

you're saying that Zoro's dream was always to be the world's strongest swordsman

[fringe escarp]

It was

And nothing you posted states that as wrong

[muted hedge]

when he outright states that before his last battle with Kuina, his dream was beating her

[fringe escarp]

He doesn’t say his only dream was beating her

If he did your point is valid

[muted hedge]

it's after Kuina died that Zoro promised that he'd become the world's strongest swordsman for the both of them

[fringe escarp]

Kuina alr said his dream was WSS meaning it’s smth he communicates to her before this convo

Both can be true

[muted hedge]

she did and his reply was that his dream is beating her

so your point is invalid

[fringe escarp]

Because that’s part of getting to his main dream

Again he never said his ONLY dream was Kuina

And again by your logic luffy’s only dream is pirate king

[ruby moat]

its pretty obvious when u go and read the chapter

beating kuina is built into being the strongest in the world right now

at this point in his life

being the strongest in the world, to him, is beating kuina. "We'll fight each other for the title"

then she dies

literally the next page

[muted hedge]

well you explained it a lot better

[fringe escarp]

This shouldn’t even be a discussion

[ruby moat]

so his dream changes, it loses the kuina aspect

and it turns into what it is today and what we know as the world strongest swordsman

[fringe escarp]

Ye for both of them

[fringe escarp]

It gives him more motivation to reach the top

[muted hedge]

okay, now i see a point

[ruby moat]

sabaku wasnt rly wrong tho, bc to zoro there is no wss without kuina. he literally completely ignores her talking about "girls cant be the strongest, im turning into a woman more, etc etc"

until she dies that is

[fringe escarp]

I Alr said that Kuina is part of it

The same way pirate king is to luffy

He can’t be WSS if Kuina is his obstacle

[ruby moat]

its not rly the same tho. it'd be more like if luffy had one dream, then something prevented that dream from happening, so his dream shifted

but instead luffy has one dream that leads to the other one

[outer flax]

His goal was always wss

[fringe escarp]

I’d agree if Kuina didn’t alr say zoro’s dream was WSS

[outer flax]

Same as kuina

[fringe escarp]

That’s why he tells her to also get stronger

[outer flax]

Kuina was the only one who beat zoro up to that point

[fringe escarp]

^^^

Pirate king really is the most apt comparison

[outer flax]

Kuina was trying to belittle herself in front of zoro which made zoro mad

Since she was the only one who beat him many times

That's when zoro made promise to meet kuina at the top

[fringe escarp]

Implying that he doesn’t want her to give up on her dreams

[outer flax]

But kuina died and zoro inherited kuina will

Simple as that

[fringe escarp]

So they can both be their absolute best

[outer flax]

Yea

[fringe escarp]

Zoro clearly doesn’t want to settle just for who Kuina is at this point

[cosmic hamlet]

👀

[proud pivot]

Zoro pushed kuina down the stairs because he wanted wado ichimonji for himself

[candid slate]

L zoro

[balmy field]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261

[grand flower]

Arc ain’t over

[fossil nimbus]

True, we can only hope Usopp does something this arc

[rose rune]

it's over

domi reversi brook incoming as the final boss

yohoho bitches

[fossil nimbus]

Jinbei is now out of the strawhat top 4. Franky took his spot

Jinbei might be number 6 now

Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Brook
Jinbei
Robin
Chopper
Nami

[fossil nimbus]

New server sticker

[stray prism]

[urban nacelle]

No way ussop doesn’t do anything in Elbaf 😭 I don’t read the manga btw but what’s oda doing with long nose 😭😭😭

🤥

[grand flower]

Hope is the life blood of joy

[urban nacelle]

Fr

[urban nacelle]

💀

[unique lagoon]

can you make him spin a pizza dough

[rose rune]

I wouldn't do it with a gun pointed at my head

[unique lagoon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ill-do-it-myself-homelander

[rose rune]

you are better than this toadgashi

I mean butter

[grand flower]

Oda is so progressive he’s even got voyeurism in the manga

What a G

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/balding-white-chicks-gif-8309186738606886317

love the name

[unique lagoon]

i just needed to see this bad

ok now im good

[quiet ice]

Cool chapter but does the domi reversi stuff make sense

[unique lagoon]

which part

[quiet ice]

Rocks

Shouldn’t he have come back in full health and beat the crap out of the holy knights

[barren token]

Rocks is out there somewhere....

[rose rune]

got speed blitzed by slowly walking garling

[barren token]

Wait wanze is right

This is garling upscale

I meant thigh not wanze but I guess I just cant get wanze off my mind

[rose rune]

it's all about the bbl

[barren token]

Ulti WILL be making the top 10 in oceania

[outer flax]

This DR plot point is clearly rushed .
We didn't see a single attack by DR broggy and dorry on single random giant or anyone else ..

It would have been cooler if we saw them in action first then zoro cut them while fighting them then they start regaining senses and kill each other but they turn back normal instead

[quiet ice]

Can someone edit robins feet into the I voted thing and tag Arsal?

[barren token]

should we kill oda?

[outer flax]

Our hope is toei piece

To make it satisfying

[cosmic hamlet]

🐥

[rose rune]

they massacred my girl

[unique lagoon]

[unique lagoon]

i think theres like a reasonable explanation for that

[cosmic hamlet]

🧐

[unique lagoon]

demon rocks was in full battle mode
used up all his CoC and CoC defense

[rose rune]

they gave her a beauty spot and five different STD's

[unique lagoon]

basically they drained his haki cuz rocks was blocking all of it with CoCD

it used up so much cuz blocking the combo attack = he lost all stamina = cant move = got stab by garling =dead

[cosmic hamlet]

She looks like she just had a face transplant 👀

[rose rune]

"my new skin still needs time to settle"

[cosmic hamlet]

😂

[grand flower]

Fire Scar…

[barren token]

.............

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[ocean sigil]

Wait votings are back?

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/blnBr.gif

[unique lagoon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAt7FhSX0AAh5p0.gif

[prisma yacht]

Good morning

[dense haven]

any usopp fans in chat

lmao

[ocean sigil]

Good morning

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/dS0WInmPFh3.gif

[honest garden]

@buoyant comet no foot fetish art in this channel please...

[dense haven]

lmao

[icy wolf]

why are we posting fetish art bruh

[buoyant comet]

I don't got a foot fetish they just requested an edit to be clear I'm not a weirdo 😭

[honest garden]

Suuuuuure pal....

[digital spear]

💀

[buoyant comet]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-holding-laughter-ishowspeed-ishowspeed-early-stream-ishowspeed-clenching-ishowspeed-cheeks-gif-17758351366359844229

[digital spear]

What a beautiful morning

[peak fable]

#manga be tlking so random i cant keep up

[buoyant comet]

You're better off staying there 👀

[peak fable]

Nah

this more calm

[keen quiver]

Feet pics in also manga

Is diabolical

[warm fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-gif-6034008138237652331

what is this chapter brother

[buoyant comet]

LISTEN BRO THEY WANTED TO TROLL A GUY AND I HELPED

[prisma idol]

Why is it always you

[buoyant comet]

My reputation is in tatters

[keen quiver]

I just saw the art straight up robin gripper art

[buoyant comet]

Atp I dont got any excuses I'll just take my punishment

Mute me I deserve it

[prisma idol]

What would you rate it out of 10

[prisma idol]

Bet

[honest garden]

I accept your apology and your innocence... This time...

[prisma idol]

Innocence

Sure.....

[peak fable]

.

[warm fossil]

2

[dense haven]

hopeslop chapter

oda fell off

but franky getting an upgrade saved the chapter

[warm fossil]

that is the 2

would've been a 0 otherwise

[icy wolf]

pretty random bruh

[dense haven]

it should have been in egghead

[warm fossil]

we didn't have time in egghead it was prime ass piece

[icy wolf]

yeah

[hazy turret]

You could’ve used clips from the anime…..

[unique lagoon]

end of elbaf
real

[ashen perch]

Won't happen

Maybe if Heaven Realm is a sky island, but otherwise I doubt it

[sly belfry]

Oda found another way for fake death, this is insane

[pine ridge]

loki is so small

like barely bigger than kaido

[restive lintel]

Smol dragon

[unique lagoon]

nah it was mentioned that thing dwarfs kaido

[unique lagoon]

im guessing oda just going with everything was massive in the past world timelines

which was theorized already i guess
like imu with that giant hat

[ashen perch]

Size doesn't matter

Kaido still beats him

[unique lagoon]

how

curious why you think that

[ashen perch]

I simply trust Oda when he said "Kaido is the strongest creature"

also thats Uranus, not a hat

[unique lagoon]

you know this reminds me of loki dint really use the nidhogg df in that 8 years of piracy

[alpine trench]

i've been saying that from the start when loki's fruit was revealed

[unique lagoon]

he was in base form doing chaos all that time which was still powerful

[ashen perch]

I doubt this lol

[alpine trench]

kaido is simply the strongest in the world and being the largest dragon in the world doesnt matter much

[lofty barn]

[unique lagoon]

ok hear me out

[ashen perch]

Yeah I know Imu didnt know, etc, but even if Imu had heard some rumors about a large dragon being spotted somewhere, he wouldnt automatically know its from Elbaf

[unique lagoon]

its connected to the whole shamrock dint know loki had nidhogg = imu dint know = WG dint know = it was never seen in those 8 years

see where im going?

the special bounty was just him being prince to be used to take over elbaf

[ashen perch]

Not necessarily, like for example if he fought Shanks in that form, its not like he is gonna tell the whole world about it

or any random pirates

[unique lagoon]

well im saying he dint and thats just one argument

i can even argue killing herald with the dragon df traumatized him so much he cant use the DF
him talking about his experience made him use the DF to save elbaf

he keeps yapping about hes only a destroyer

[unkempt dagger]

Imu’s treasure

[unique lagoon]

either way this idea is still very interesting to me

scalers would hate it tho

[ashen perch]

I think Imu had to see it for himself to really know it for sure honestly, because he knew about the creature personally. Anyone can be a large dragon, I am sure there's other similar dragon types all over the world and theres the Punk Hazard dragons as well. It just wouldnt be clear to anyone but him that its Nidhoggr.

[grand flower]

This shit hard!

[unique lagoon]

but aint the description prety easy to see?

BIG ASS DRAGON covers the sky
with multiple sightings it should have been easy
not to mention you get morgan taking these amazing images

it dont fit

[ashen perch]

I mean the Dragon from Punk Hazard would cover up the sky for regular humans too

he was pretty large

[unkempt dagger]

Ragnir the MVP for gatekeeping that fruit

[unique lagoon]

still
multiple witness to confirm
morgan news paper and his minions finding it
i would have said before it was a WG cover up but that dont make sense also

[ashen perch]

so thats the deal I think, I am sure there's people who did saw Loki in that form, they just didnt know what a Nidhoggr is

[unique lagoon]

• punkhazard was isolated

it was a lab island

[ashen perch]

only after the incident

it was open to visits, like Clover visited it once

[unique lagoon]

i swear someone said that dragon dint exist for a long ass time
morgan not scooping this news seeing a nighogg size dragon

make it make sense

anyway thats all i got and i think thats good enough reason to consider the idea

[grand flower]

We gotta find a different word

I keep going into hustle or tussle

[ashen perch]

I dont remember that tbh, but Luffy and the others were atleast surprised to see that Dragon

but I guess they dont usually know much about anything

[small ember]

Sanji just turned Killingham’s brain into an accordion I love that

[ashen perch]

what about just Nidhogg

[unique lagoon]

oh right one more thing
i can see why loki dint reach redline in 8 years
even with that DF

let me find his first panels

[small ember]

Dorry and Broggy decapitation was interesting. Death ending Domi Reversi is a good way to write out actual fights if we see it again on allies

Also, giants + zoro panel at the end was hype

also?? Egghead franky truthers must be rejoicing

[unique lagoon]

here. this was lokis thing as a pirate he makes deals and can easy destroy any pirate crew
thats why gaban said no one was able to stop him
basically the most powerful mercenary
now why did that distract him from going to mary geoise? no idea
theres a lola connection there somehow

oh and mosa ofc

[ashen perch]

well Zoro is just not very smart

and neither is Luffy

Robin isnt that surprised atleast

[hasty sable]

“Kid Pirates”

[ashen perch]

so good

[unique lagoon]

let me see if i can find the one i was talking about

[latent hamlet]

Loki offers to eliminate 1 crew

He just turns into a dragon
Zaps em with lightning
"Done"

[ashen perch]

had to post it, even though it wasnt relevant

[latent hamlet]

Loki = dragon

Its relevant

[outer flax]

Oda art declined

[dark nymph]

this dragon looks better than Loki im crine

[ashen perch]

not really

[unique lagoon]

ye heres one

[ashen perch]

I think Loki looks better

[icy wolf]

its just odas art being worse in my opinion

loki has a cooler design

[unique lagoon]

you can argue the legend and tales is nidhogg?

[ashen perch]

probably yeah

[unique lagoon]

oh that connects to another thing i mentioned before lol

more funny tho

[ashen perch]

while that dragon has more detailed scales, I like the simplicity of Loki's design actually

this is the panel that really sold me on his design

he's perfect

[urban lodge]

Poor nightmare bird

[latent hamlet]

Plus loki dragon still has some loki traits

Punk hazard dragon is.....dragon

[ashen perch]

Another great one

and then ofc this

[small ember]

Oda really nailed it with Loki dragon ngl

[urban lodge]

Crazy how these are all better than the double spread

[ashen perch]

I think the scan quality often makes people believe that the art is worse than it actually is

[latent hamlet]

In an alt time line

"HELP US FIGHT KAIDOOO"

Loki: >nukes onigashima

[icy wolf]

i forgot about this i was thinking about that double page spread with luffy on top it looked pretty bad

[small ember]

Loki could just drop an orbital strike

[icy wolf]

this looks fire

[latent hamlet]

Kaido: WHAT THE FUCK I HAD SO MUCH BOOZE AND FOOD

Luffy: YEAH WHAT THE FUCK

[ashen perch]

I liked it but I wasnt necessarily a big fan until all the panels dropped from the next chapter

[unique lagoon]

this dragon dialog with him looking spooked
mf thought someone is using the nidhogg DF from tales and legend
but calmed down when it was just an ancient weapon

[urban lodge]

I can't unsee the fucked up eye anatomy

[latent hamlet]

Bajrang gun? I sleep

Lightning breath? Ez

[ashen perch]

incredible closeup

[small ember]

Brother is Ancalagon

[icy wolf]

im still mad about luffy losing the elbaf drip

[ashen perch]

The lack of detail actually allows Oda to go harder on the shading

[unique lagoon]

what a hilarious thought thinking dragon got spooked by the legend of nidghoggs shadow covering the sky

[small ember]

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ancalagon

[unique lagoon]

eyy this guy knows

[small ember]

Literally big enough to topple mountain peaks

[ashen perch]

you can see it in all the examples I posted

but especially that one

[small ember]

I love Tolkien

[ashen perch]

the singular color scheme allows Oda to focus entirely on making the black inking stand out

[unique lagoon]

funny cuz oda also got inspired by the two ancient trees from Tolkien first world lore or was that 2nd forgot

[ashen perch]

I hope the colored manga leaves it untouched

and doesn't try to paint all over it

[small ember]

Tolkien did have the two trees of Valinor but he most likely based it off of other myths

[rose rune]

check pins

[small ember]

Tolkien loved myths and legends

[ashen perch]

This was really great too

[golden valley]

The colored manga for this version wont come out until OP is long over atp

[unique lagoon]

also oda making first world 2nd and 3rd
= to tolkiens 1st 2nd 3rd 4th age

[ashen perch]

really every single shot of Nidhogg from last chapter was perfect

the double spread was just... not as good

[ashen perch]

true...

[unique lagoon]

from 2 lamps symbolizing the sun and moon
converted to trees then converted to real moon and sun

i think that how it went

[outer flax]

Double spread was fire

What was not good is oda rushing some plot line

I understand oda getting old but one piece in it's finale.At this stage,he should give it his all

[lofty fern]

I do wonder, are the shackle armbands something Loki already had? Or is it part of the Nidhogg?

[outer flax]

Will oda explain more about domi reversi ?

[lofty fern]

The only people who can are the HKs or Imu

[outer flax]

Like how did dorry and broggy regain conscious out of nowhere with no explanation ?

[ashen perch]

seems like the shackles, I think he wasnt wearing armbands

[ocean sigil]

Thanks bae

[ashen perch]

I mean you dont have to like the explanation but there it clearly was

death was the counter, it happened with Xebec and it happened with them

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/primo-gif-10351662377055134201

[outer flax]

Not domi reversi counter explanation
But when dorry and broggy got partial consciousness back . How did that happen?

[lofty fern]

After reading it, a lot of it does feel rushed. Like Oda really needed to get through it and so some connections aren't clear. Like with Franky, he was away from Lilith and Bonney and miles away with Ripley and said he was going to help with the kids, but then somehow got back to Lilith and Bonney?

[lofty fern]

I mean, you can have an explaination, but that doesn't mean it's a good one, or a whole one, or an in depth one. Just having an explaination is not always a good thing

[golden valley]

Domi Reversi is lackluster

[unique lagoon]

i think i remember a panel where ripley dropped off franky ye?

[outer flax]

We did see zero attacks from DR dorry and broggy .
It's make no sense for oda to do that

[ashen perch]

The wound they gave to each other shocked them out of the mind control, like Harald briefly returned to his senses against Loki. The rest was resistance, they are legendary pirates with exceptional will power.

[sly belfry]

Wranky power up lfg

[outer flax]

Atleast show their strength first . So we can sense some urgency

[ashen perch]

Like I said, you dont have to like it, but its not "no" explanation

[unique lagoon]

the maint hing i find odd was them figuring out the DR mechanics
in just what? 2 chapters of fighting?

[golden valley]

I don’t like this chapter honestly. The route for DR being this is lame and just entirely removes stakes. Imu has to either pull out more stuff or Domi Reversi Loki for any high stakes

[outer flax]

Rocks didn't got this much conscious back tho .
Idk something feel off..we need more explanation

[unique lagoon]

makes you wonder if its better if oda dumb down how it works than adding multiple loops to dealing with it

[sly belfry]

Average one piece experience

[outer flax]

Also retcon "undying body" dialogue here . When they just become normal after dying once

[sly belfry]

Stop thinking about stakes and logic
Only agendas prevail

[ashen perch]

Xebec did lol, he even ignored Imu's orders and went right after Garp and Roger when they called him out

[lofty fern]

But then the question is, would any wound shock them out of it? If that was the case, why didn't anyone else wake up after what Zoro did? I don't think that's it. Harald was not DRd the same way and he was not posessed so he's a different case. Also, Oda specifically showed us that it had to do with the brand being cut, it wasn't just any wound.

[unique lagoon]

hold up is that a real retcon
or people just going with "thats not how it was meant to be understood" line

[outer flax]

Undying body mean a body which never dies

[unique lagoon]

oda defenders when

[dense haven]

oda is rushing

no time to waste

just end the arc already

[cursive summit]

Yeah fuck oda tbh

[unique lagoon]

old man do be rushing true

[cursive summit]

At this point I don't feel confident in oda to deliver the final saga of one piece

He's gonna fumble everything

[ashen perch]

This is literally mentioned again in the chapter, they still say that the Domi Reversi demons will not die from any wound no matter how much they are struck by it. A single fatal blow is the key, not any old wounds.

[dense haven]

so true

its over

[outer flax]

Also franky was with Ripley and they were going to save the kids
But suddenly franky was shown with Lilith and gang

[latent hamlet]

Thats why oda put the ending at sea

[lofty fern]

Undying body is just what the translation came up with, there are other ways to say it. It probably would have been better to say revitalized, if you want to nitpick. Also, he is correct, they do regen still just like the HKs, but up to a point.

[pine scaffold]

People like to pretend this isnt happening, even tho he said this in Jump Festa