also-manga

[woven talon]

they know they shouldn't be looking forward to the carnage but...

[signal fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/machvise-machvise-one-piece-one-piece-gif-24639544

[celest mauve]

no lol

[dark nymph]

they all got shit eating grins

[unique lagoon]

hes out here rolling heads in elbaf thats the his thing for now

[grand flower]

Yamato inherited his strong body and his love for fighting, but it's mostly in how Yamato contrasts Kaido that Oda leans on for the themes. Yamato is a foil to show that Kaido was a rotten person enabled by negative experiences, not made rotten by negative experiences

[ruby cape]

Probably for the smallest bit till they found out the DR patch

[woven talon]

They both have a crush on Oden.

[celest mauve]

this is the best upscale hajrudin has received in years, he needs to deliver

grouped up with a yonko's right hand and two 1.8B beri giants, it's time

[steel stirrup]

I eagerly await him to prove me wrong

[frigid gulch]

Show us that you’re not only moose level..

[dark nymph]

oh yeah I caught that one, man I gotta reread Wano its all messy in my head 😭

[signal fiber]

It will be messy on reread

[woven talon]

random question, but of the seven deadly sins, which do you think is Luffy's greatest flaw.

?

[celest mauve]

gluttony

[signal fiber]

Easy

[woven talon]

I have an answer

but I'm curious if anyone else is gonna say it

[grand flower]

wrath

that's the closest sin to Luffy's recklessness

[signal fiber]

Lust, for adventure

[unique lagoon]

his greatest flaw is impulse action which put his crew at risk but oda turns it into a gag

[grand flower]

When he's angry, it drives him to the point that he disregards his own safety and caution

[woven talon]

or maybe I guess flaw isn't what I mean, which do you think he struggles with most

[grand flower]

Lust for adventure is a good one

[dark nymph]

gluttony

[grand flower]

But I think it's his wrath

[ruby cape]

Gluttony powers Luffy if anything so I’d go Wrath

[woven talon]

so far no one has said the one I think

[celest mauve]

you'd think he learned something from marineford but guess not

[ruby cape]

Envy?

[woven talon]

I think it's come up over and over for Luffy as something he's learned to get past

[unique lagoon]

nah he just oga booga everything

[woven talon]

Pride

[dark nymph]

Luffy gets so angry at the thought of people not having food smh

[woven talon]

Chapter 1 he has that rant about being a man to shanks and how they can't have pride if they don't stand up for themselves. Shanks shows him what you should put your pride in

[dense pike]

Oda said Luffys satelites would be 5 Yorks and an Atlas
So Greed/Gluttony and Wrath

[signal fiber]

There's your answer

[woven talon]

Later Luffy is desperate to get help from Nami, and has to learn from Vivi to lower his head and not be hostile. To put his pride aside and pritiotize his crew

[ruby cape]

It is pride that even generates the other sins

[granite edge]

Oda is not a reliable source x2

[celest mauve]

which SBS did he say this in?

[woven talon]

and he goes on to use this lesson to win over hancock

[unique lagoon]

one day luffys blind idolization for shanks will bite him in the ass

[vernal ravine]

while the reason for staying makes sense, the way it was written into the story felt like a sudden and jarring change just to not join, to make a good plot twist, you need the right amount of time to show yamato changing his mind, even indirectly, but in this case, it happens off-screen one chapter from the other, and this felt like a cheap solution, for me

[woven talon]

and imparts it to momo, where he makes momo ask him directly for help

[celest mauve]

but it's a flaw he's been able to address right? his bottomless pit of a stomach and his recklessness are still problems

[woven talon]

I think Pride is the most intresting through line for Luffy's character arc for several reasons

[dense pike]

SBS 111

[dark nymph]

"thanks for collecting them for me Luffy"

[celest mauve]

there it is then

gluttony and greed with a little wrath

[woven talon]

yeah, I guess, I meant, which one do you think Luffy's worked out most/ struggled with and improved

[grand flower]

i feel like it's less about time and more about the question of if the reason behind the decision makes sense. If the character has been one way 90% of the time, then pivots during the last 10%, then you just gotta make sure the reason for it has enough magnitude for that to be believable

[dark nymph]

ayy

[celest mauve]

then it would be pride yeah

[grand flower]

this is a blackbeard parallel btw

[unique lagoon]

oh right remember luffy not cuffing back lucci and kaku

that was great

after the deal

[woven talon]

thx for humoring this discussion lol

[dense pike]

Yeah, I would say Blackbeard is 1 Shaka, 1 Lillith, 3 Yorks and 1 Atlas

[clever idol]

1 shaka???

[dense pike]

his schemes require some thorough logic

[clever idol]

Isnt shaka wisdom?

[dark nymph]

He doesn't wanna share any of the meat

[dense pike]

wisdom, logic, yada yada
my point is theres a thinker in there

[clever idol]

Aint shit wise about his stank aas

[unique lagoon]

what a dumb ass

[hot cairn]

Shaka is “good”

[clever idol]

Aint shit good about him either

[woven talon]

this doesn't mean anything since only wrath and greed are seven deadly sins there

[woven talon]

Justice or Logic are acceptable too.

[rich hornet]

I thought Pythagoras is wisdom, or was he inventivesness or something

[dense pike]

it is a pretty educated guess still, so ill go for it, regardless of what you have to say abt it

[dark nymph]

I don't think their categorizations are that literal

[unique lagoon]

is this the right translation

[dark nymph]

"the thinker"

ok bro

[dense pike]

Yeah, I would say Blackbeard is 1 Edison*, 1 Lillith, 3 Yorks and 1 Atlas

[granite edge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thinker-solos-negative-diff-gif-5894318117825658275

[ruby cape]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-hes-the-thinker-bro-thinking-bro-really-thinking-smartass-smart-gif-27381331

[unique lagoon]

i mean he did a lot of thinking
But most of his tools turned junk

[vernal ravine]

i think my problem with this yamato plot twist was that oda partly rushed the ending of wano, which made yamato decision felt very forced

[dense pike]

I did say "wisdom, logic, yada yada, my point is theres a thinker in there" so ig it was Edison that was more fitting

Imagine stanning Pythagoras

[clever idol]

If yamato came she wouldve been carrying bags in egghead and tied up with jinbe and co

[woven talon]

it's mostly fine. Shaka and Lilith aren't necessarily opposites. I would say "the just" would be better. or "The Moral" maybe. Edison is more creative than he is a thinker.

[unique lagoon]

only thing rushed in wano was zoro visiting ryumas grave
saying farewell to his handy sword

[dark nymph]

zoro sbs incident

[clever idol]

It wouldve been nice to see but lets be honest that shit isnt worth much

[granite edge]

the whole family tree off manga was crazy

[unique lagoon]

also forcing momos body to get older that fast felt like a copout

thats what i remember seeing that the first time

[woven talon]

I think that will be in the epilogue of OP. He'll enshrine Kuina's soul at the same shrine with the other sword heroes, and tell her he did it. Hiyorican be lurking in the background for shippers.

[clever idol]

I hoped for that

I really like how much it meant for momos character to make that sacrifice

Its really sad but honorable

[vital heart]

Hey guys!

[clever idol]

Hi

[unique lagoon]

even bonneys power is temporary

[woven talon]

my brother called the momo would be aged up thing at like the start of onigaishima's raid, blew my mind

[unique lagoon]

meanwhile momo

[woven talon]

yooo

[dark nymph]

hi meek thanks for the chapter

[signal fiber]

God I hate Wano. Atleast we got Queen and Ulti

[clever idol]

Hes been talking about being bigger for a while

said ulti

Of all the saving graces

[signal fiber]

Ulti is fun

[unique lagoon]

would have been nice if queen saw franky and commented on his cyborg body

[dark nymph]

She's funny

[clever idol]

And thats about it

[signal fiber]

But that's what I need when I'm reading something for enjoyment right

[dark nymph]

i like the brother sister antics with page one

[clever idol]

We missed two sh family reuinions huh

[unique lagoon]

dint we got the queen reveal in an SBS as franky connection?

[signal fiber]

Vivre card hint first

[woven talon]

Would be cool if he geeked out about it and Franky said, gross. And unknowingly rejected his dad.

[unique lagoon]

got it

[ruby cape]

Wish we got something about it in Wano instead tbh rather chucked into an SBS

[unique lagoon]

yeah any interaction would have been nice as long as its about the cyborg part

[hot cairn]

Wano’s pretty good

[signal fiber]

I don't need Franky to know Queens his dad, he's got 2 found families

[unique lagoon]

wano has a lot of good stuff
but you know its not all great

[ruby cape]

Tho that’d change who fights who presumably

[clever idol]

For u? Sure but uh, this story offers a lot more than that. Ulti never stood out that much to me because shes in a sea os characters with much more intrigue while also being fun in my opinion. Which is why i was surprised at the take.

[grand flower]

all you'd get is queen and franky both not really caring tbh

[woven talon]

I still wish I could've seen the original version of wano

[clever idol]

I wanted them to fight

[unique lagoon]

also oda still hiding what GB did to the beast pirates

[clever idol]

Cyborg battle

[woven talon]

I also wonder if Wano was always gonna be after WCI

[clever idol]

But sanji's was ok

[hot cairn]

you mean the 200 chapter version?

[woven talon]

no the version without time travel

where Wano was only invaded in the last 2 years

and recently fell

a few months ago

[clever idol]

Ah

[hot cairn]

wait what? Where do we learn that

[unique lagoon]

i swear if oda gets a mental block with what to do with x character he just wont show em after x event
and we dont know how long until they be relevant again

[woven talon]

Road to Laughtale

I feel like I've said this so many times now

[signal fiber]

For me yes, and many others she's very popular

[woven talon]

I'm gonna make a video on it lol

no one looked through those notes istg

[hot cairn]

I think Oda had in mind the Sanji stuff but idk about the order, what makes you think it wasnt meant to be before Wano?

[unique lagoon]

like oda decided ulti and page 1 will follow yamato
but wheres sasaki? king or queen etc

[hot cairn]

oh I didn’t know that

[ruby cape]

How come tho can I ask? I mean Queen hated Franky and didn’t like his inventions so threw him out and abandoned him, I’d reckon there’d be some good story development for Franky in that. What did you think tho?

[woven talon]

oh just that I wouldn't be suprised if Oda switched up the order and combined elements. like I think the Sanji stuff wasn't always gonna be paired with BM

[signal fiber]

King and Queen in my head were arrested

[woven talon]

but that worked out perfectly

that's got no evidence tho

[clever idol]

Yea thats what thr intention of having gb show up and call a ship is for

[hot cairn]

yeah it was a great decision to pair those two storylines

[unique lagoon]

yep but then again
GB was hiding his actions from akainu
if he capture the beast pirate then akainu would know

[clever idol]

Hes used as a device to heal wano and remove the majority of the beast pirates

[hot cairn]

I kinda hope Oda releases all his notes after OP ends

[clever idol]

He planmed om akainu finding out after he took luffy

[unique lagoon]

also oda straight up ignoring what the BMP was doing end of arc

[clever idol]

So i imagine he would still do that

[unique lagoon]

which he dint

[signal fiber]

In my head Alber is currently being expiramented on again by Queen, who they needed after losing Vegapunk

[clever idol]

Otherwise he wouldmt have called a ship

[woven talon]

yeah it's interesting. it'd mean no 20 years of suffering, so no adult hiyori

[unique lagoon]

what happened to Big Moms crew waiting there?

[clever idol]

No clue

Probably went home

[unique lagoon]

like is this enough?

[woven talon]

they encountered the marines

we know that much

or ciper pol

[signal fiber]

They picked up Perospero i guess

Maybe BM

[unique lagoon]

is that dialog enough to say BMP captured joseph CP0 and interogating him = knowing everything?

[woven talon]

what's there to know

[unique lagoon]

how BM died

[woven talon]

eh

[unique lagoon]

every real detail

not cover up

[signal fiber]

We don't know that

[clever idol]

She died to the magma and eruption unless we see shw didnt

[woven talon]

you'd think they'd hunt down law or kid

[clever idol]

The intention there is for us to believe she died

[unique lagoon]

well we know the CP0 ship vanished
encountered the BM ship

[woven talon]

they'd probably splinter right?

[clever idol]

Even if it turns out incorrect

[woven talon]

would they all follow katakuri?

[signal fiber]

They kinda got wiped out right after

[woven talon]

well

Law and Bepo are out there

[unique lagoon]

Joseph last surviving CP0 landed on a WG ship
and that ship got captured by BMP
thats how i see it

[woven talon]

imagine a rescure Law and Bepo arc

[signal fiber]

Yah I'm saying it's not easy to track, and if there are reports of those two getting taken out less reason to search

[unique lagoon]

ill cope katakuri will eventually rally em all again and plan to save pudding somehow

[signal fiber]

Also think of the resources to hunt 3 bill pirates, you're not wasting an admiral up forever for that

[signal fiber]

They'll just be luffy supporters under Kat

[clever idol]

I dont think so lol

[unique lagoon]

sure but when

[signal fiber]

Final war i guess

[clever idol]

Think yall overestimate how much kat supports luffy

[unique lagoon]

i really dont want this final war to be concentrated in 1 area

[signal fiber]

I say this in the parameters of what's left in the story. If it's final war they're on luffys side

[unique lagoon]

should be in multiple islands

[woven talon]

@hot cairn here this was the original timeline for Oden

[unique lagoon]

• redline

[clever idol]

He just respects and acknowledges his strength but the dude still lead an assassinatipm attempt on his mom and was apart of the raid that lead to her death and also fuckes things up for their kingdom

[hot cairn]

interesting

[unique lagoon]

eh i could care less if katakuri supports luffy
as long as they do something about pudding

[clever idol]

Kat will more than likely be saving ppls from the flood in totland. Not everyone will be a part of thus war. There will be a global catastrophe for many ppl to deal with.

[grand flower]

Probably spread out over the seas FD

[unique lagoon]

oda going to skip so much stuff in that war

[clever idol]

I think yall r overestimating kats importance to the endgame here. At best he has a moment im hachinosu unless oda builds thr groundwork for more

[hot cairn]

me neither, I deadass want it to be a whole world thing

[signal fiber]

Final war, to me, will be a love letter to all major characters in the story. I think everyone gets involved like Marineford but bigger

[unique lagoon]

people will be so pissed their niche fav character wont get enough highlight in da war

lol

[clever idol]

Yea kat and many others will likely get their moments when oda is showing stuff happening across tje world. I just dont foresee him being apart of the main event yet

[rotund basin]

Okay, what the hell is with the extreme disrespect for Usopp online recently? I know he hasn’t had any opportunities to shine in recent chapters, but has everyone just suddenly forgotten about all of the times when he was the MVP?

[clever idol]

Yes

The hype fiends have forgot

[hot cairn]

they’ll get one panel max

[rotund basin]

Why?

[hot cairn]

Oda can’t just focus on everyone

[clever idol]

The loudest critics suffer from recency bias

[hot cairn]

it’s impossible

[unique lagoon]

katakuris group can easy do a covert operation to try taking pudding
they aint luffy who bash through everything

[hot cairn]

itll be like 300 chapters long

[stone terrace]

"Everyones here"

[hot cairn]

if Oda does it like that

[signal fiber]

I think there will be multiple events to deal with not in one place. Good way to revisit everything the story has given us

[clever idol]

Thats what im thinking too yea

[ember glade]

Bro that psych out with Dorry and Broggy had me confused and crying dawg I was so mad.

[hot cairn]

people aren’t patient with OP these days

[clever idol]

Can totally see this

Kat himself will probably handle a bigger threat

[unique lagoon]

they can release garplol

[hot cairn]

same here

[unique lagoon]

garp cause trouble again

[woven talon]

So just to note, originally after sailing the outside world, it seems Oden would have to unify Wano, which took him 16 years. Then he had momo 8 years ago, the war with kaido starts 2 years ago, and he dies a few months before we meet momo, having committed seppuku. The seppuku death and unification stuff brings him more in line with Oda Nobunaga. His current death is more inspired by Goemon. Intresting Toki would be 32 years his junior here. Also Kaido striking only 2 years ago might imply WB was protected Wano before?

[dusk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-talk-monkey-d-luffy-water7-nami-gif-15617698384362100255

[signal fiber]

Then we'll finally get Kat with the woman illness

[unique lagoon]

im also expecting the BBP will split up again

after the caribou info

[stone terrace]

What the hell is a thrudheim

[clever idol]

Potentially

[spice cairn]

Im glad she has a 2nd dad

[clever idol]

Grandma*

[spice cairn]

Franky isnt grandma material

Robin can pull it off though

[signal fiber]

Just realizing the cyborg connection, insta franky bond

[clever idol]

Tell that to oda

[woven talon]

her two cyborg dads

[spice cairn]

Pacifista sequel

[unique lagoon]

damn franky almost died here lol

[granite edge]

after the performance against caeser clown big mom is making rice cakes out of him

[hot cairn]

I see, Oden committing seppuku sounds crazy. I kinda like the idea that Oda went with better ngl. Does Oden still sail with the Roger Pirates in this timeline?

[spice cairn]

Franky has massive balls

Always was the case

[unique lagoon]

well thats the meme answer but i guess

[urban lodge]

That Franky outfit was so good, I'm so sad it was one of those throwaway in between arcs outfits

[hot cairn]

Loki’s attack last chapter

[signal fiber]

Caribou is gonna fuck over BB so bad, Ochoku will have his vengeance

[hot cairn]

We need a cowboy island

[clever idol]

Yea bb had his too tho

[hot cairn]

I’ve been saying it for years

[unique lagoon]

yuppp

[hot cairn]

that’s my goat

[clever idol]

Eos franky is gonna be so crazy

[spice cairn]

Regardless of the opponent, hes ready to gk

[signal fiber]

Franky and Brook are the best. They just vanish for an entire arc then show up just to look good

[spice cairn]

Thats my champ

[ruby cape]

Franky scaling up and up just love to see it

Usopp please bro

[wraith mantle]

Vote rocks

[hot cairn]

it’s still surreal that Brook is getting so much focus this arc lol

now Franky gets a power up? W

[unique lagoon]

what a destructive laser that is
and its going to get upgraded

[clever idol]

Right??

[signal fiber]

This arc is so good for me. Brook Franky and Robin are my top SHs

[stone terrace]

Ok yeah no shot killingham is part fishman

[clever idol]

When franky whips out queens blueprints

[hot cairn]

imagine it with the vega cola

[unique lagoon]

goint to be an orbinal strike

[woven talon]

The seppuku thing was probably be a forced thing, to avoid an execution. Nobunaga was in a burning building with no escape after being betrayed. I think the idea was Orochi would betray him there. Momo escapes a burning building either way. It's not said if he sailed with roger, but we can assume so as his age of death being 62 would add up. But it seems that Nekomamushi would've been his retainer from the start, so maybe ties between Zunesha and wano were stronger in this timeline, even if the reason is forgotten.

[hot cairn]

Oda really didn’t forget about them…

[signal fiber]

Vega Cola Franky = Jinbe and I will not be told otherwise

[hot cairn]

Cook

[spice cairn]

Saturn's comment on Franky btw

[urban lodge]

Equal? He's stronger

[unique lagoon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/orbital-laser-yakuza7-orbital

[spice cairn]

This is his arc now

[unique lagoon]

franky soon

[stone terrace]

If zoro and sanji are the wings then franky and jimbei are the legs

[dark nymph]

Franky has Kizaru beams now

[clever idol]

☠️☠️

Naw switch it back to cheeks

Stand on it

[grand flower]

What would the fishman uncle ruckus be

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-ichi-one-piece-gif-19437467

[unique lagoon]

if franky manage to take that tech
and let his body harness this hidden energy
then convert that to whatever he wants
damn

[clever idol]

Had hope that wouldve been Jack

[spice cairn]

Anything but a Ussop moment

[unique lagoon]

might be too op

[signal fiber]

Self hating fishman

[hot cairn]

yeah that whole minks and kozuki relationship is still in the story. I wonder if he always wanted 9 retainers for Oden. This could be a fun what if spin off to be made in the future tbh.

[grand flower]

Hope is a crazy word 💀

[hot cairn]

LMAOOO the switch

[unique lagoon]

if he upgrade his body to do what this machine does

[clever idol]

Hope is all u have when theres nothing in the story to support ypur theory

[woven talon]

no he originally wanted 4, then 7, then 9

[signal fiber]

Please no more Wano 😢

[sturdy steeple]

What do we think of the chapter

[signal fiber]

Fun and great

[clever idol]

Its decent

[hot cairn]

4 would’ve been perfect ngl, I think 9 was too much

[woven talon]

it's 2026, let us talk about wano

[unique lagoon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/breakingbad-science-1

me basically

[clever idol]

We never stopped discussin wano idk

Nor should we

[spice cairn]

We're moving on to Yano discourse

[hot cairn]

It was cool, did you like it?

[signal fiber]

I'm not saying don't talk about it, I'm asking Oda not to give more

[clever idol]

Theres so much that i always end up learning about it

[clever idol]

Ya, no.

[sturdy steeple]

I like the part where I list the pages and it ends

[clever idol]

[unique lagoon]

so cloned vegapunk is somewhere out there
prob with kuma

[clever idol]

Hes makin usopp his hammer as we speak

[signal fiber]

Oda could've atleast given Kyo Yano confirmation 😢

[woven talon]

here are the original 4

this would be from around PH

if not a bit before

like during FMI

[unique lagoon]

almost said this was possible but lilith said she needs more tools to do it

or a lab iirc

[clever idol]

Cuz vp is using em

[sturdy steeple]

These 4 don't include Izo though

[clever idol]

[spice cairn]

Franky fans don't get too excited

[hot cairn]

what?

[spice cairn]

Don't let your hubris get to you

[clever idol]

Thats not izo far left?

[sturdy steeple]

So I was wondering if Izo was retconned to be a scabbard

[clever idol]

Hush

Wait till gunko gets thrashed

[hot cairn]

LOL the names

[signal fiber]

Certainly don't think that was his intention in marineford

[sturdy steeple]

It's Jyushirou

[manic bough]

FRANKY BUFF FRANKY BUFF OMG FRANKY BUFF AHH

[clever idol]

Lmao

[sturdy steeple]

Someday you will understand jokes

[woven talon]

Muzan beame Kanjuro

Jyushiro -- Kyoshiro

[spice cairn]

Break week coming after the Franky dubs is going to be tough

[woven talon]

Raizo was an actual stud with the ladies in this verison, but a bit loud for a ninja

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

[hot cairn]

I think those 4 would’ve been fine, I wonder what made Oda think he needed 9?

[rose atlas]

my goat franky got a power up WERE SO BACK

[stone terrace]

I like that version of momo more tbh

Oda draws children weird like momo felt like a 5 year old

[sturdy steeple]

tbh Izo could've been someone not regarded as a scabbard but still a follower of Oden like Shinobu.

[woven talon]

here's the 7 man version

[spice cairn]

Sexy Kokeshi Dolls

[woven talon]

hitetsu being one makes me think he wasn't always gonna be Oden's dad

[ruby cape]

Thought that was 8 for a sec till the arrow on the bottom

[granite edge]

holy raizo aura

[frigid gulch]

Sukiyaki is a proper swordsmith

Pretty cool

[woven talon]

Kikunojo and Izo are later additions it seems

I think what happened is Oda realized he had Izo from wano earlier in the story

and wanted to tie him in

[distant vine]

Definetly voting for Franky tomorrow to celebrate his buff

[woven talon]

so made Kikunojo

[spice cairn]

Franky deserves it.

[woven talon]

and sot hat swells the numbers

then neko and inu also

[distant vine]

Also, it's awkward to bring this up but

The concern about Usopp has grown

[unique lagoon]

member how many of us was pissed franky dint got shit from egghead

[distant vine]

I still believe in him being downplayed rn to show out in the end

[unique lagoon]

seeing his idol VP

[stone terrace]

Whos that

[spice cairn]

Content patch update for Egghead being delayed for this chapter is kind of funny

[distant vine]

But if nothing happens it would actually be over LMAO

[ruby cape]

Hold onto the stock the concern grows every chap

[hot cairn]

Oda heard everyone, next imagine that Usopp’s arc will actually be the one after Elbaph LOL

[spice cairn]

Against Augur probably

[ruby cape]

Franky showing up for something here makes up for Egghead tho I still wish he’d… had something on Egghead

[spice cairn]

But if thats the case, its going to be a lot worse

[unique lagoon]

i swear usopp was at the top of the cloud looking down at the marines
he could have sniped someone

[hot cairn]

I still have faith, he’ll get something to do

[woven talon]

zoro warned him he'd steal his thunder way back in Zou

[urban lodge]

The solution to not being disappointed in Usopp is to give up on him

[woven talon]

we didn't listen

[spice cairn]

If Ussop gets a progressional moment, its either now or against Augur.

[ashen perch]

better understanding of the situation than atleast 95% of the fanbase, pretty good

[urban lodge]

I gave up on him a while ago

[spice cairn]

And im not really enthusiastic about it being crammed into a BBP fight

[distant vine]

I do too, but imagine its not here and another arc like you said lol

[ashen perch]

but you lose that 5% by doubting it, there is no reason to doubt it

[hot cairn]

I’ll never give up until the story ends

[spice cairn]

I mean obviously hes going to get something to do.

[frigid gulch]

From samurais to the strongest army in the world..

Not bad

[spice cairn]

But it is funny that Zoro is standing with the giants at the end reasonably so.

When that could've been an Ussop thing

So thats just funny.

[ashen perch]

it really could not have been, this is not his thing

[hot cairn]

I wouldn’t mind

[ashen perch]

they are being meatheaded freaks about battle and murder, this isnt Usopp's thing

this is Zoro's thing

[woven talon]

what's funny is last chapter we had a "don't forget Zoro's name idiot!!" moment and this chapter we got "you're an idiot if you forget Jinbe!!"

[stone terrace]

What was usopp last doing

[ruby cape]

Don’t forget God Usopp

[distant vine]

Killingham should have locked in

[woven talon]

oh you gave me the idea for this loll @frigid gulch

[spice cairn]

Thats still standing with big giants regardless of the tone of it. Those are Ussop's big inspirational guys (pun intended)

I really don't care anyways but its just funny

[distant vine]

I dont think he earned the right to take an L like Somners did

[spice cairn]

It was overdue

[distant vine]

Sommers showed off against Robin but Killingham didnt against any SH

[spice cairn]

The humiliation tax effects everyone

[charred flower]

Let's see, he was crying last 20 chapters, now he's whining, best arc for Usopp ever right?

[ashen perch]

the HKs have been big time overlooking the crew, they have showed concern about Luffy but the rest is just there for them lol

[frigid gulch]

Good work

[distant vine]

Screaming

[unique lagoon]

so does killingham have a humanoid lower half or is that it? half horse

[frigid gulch]

[spice cairn]

Ussop has been screaming and pooping for most of this arc

[ashen perch]

his time of standing with the giants like this will come, this isnt the right context for it

[urban lodge]

He undid the arrows with his mind powers

[frigid gulch]

It’s Bumsopp szn rn

[spice cairn]

Regardless its just kind of amusing.

[frigid gulch]

Sad to say

[charred flower]

Uhmm.. he's technically a dragon

[woven talon]

was my friend dexter. he also made this for me

[spice cairn]

Obviously his moment is coming soon

[hot cairn]

I find that really interesting, they really don’t know about anything down there besides the Yonkos lol

[spice cairn]

But considering Franky is getting relevant buffs now and not during Egghead...

[distant vine]

I'm imagining an Usopp hater encountering his weekly outburst and crashing out in both humor and anger simultaneously

[spice cairn]

Ayy caramba

[woven talon]

the warlords probably rotated too much for them to give a crap

the warlords were a political thing

[spice cairn]

His moment is against Augur when he blows his head off with his freaking mind

[distant vine]

Its cool that Nami got to do something this chapter

[granite edge]

so THATS how he beat perona ✍️

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt say they dont know, that would be silly, more like they don't care about these people at all

[woven talon]

you don't need poltiics if you already have power. So they don't care

[distant vine]

And people say Oda's not using the SH's smh

[spice cairn]

Even Zeus is doing something

[trim lily]

even lillith

[hot cairn]

I wonder if people also felt like this during Dressrosa weekly, is there anyone from that time here?

[spice cairn]

Lilith did something before Ussop

Its so over

[hot cairn]

true true

[distant vine]

Hold on

[ashen perch]

you guys are so close

[trim lily]

she can be the new sniper

[ashen perch]

so so close

[spice cairn]

All we need now is Bonney to do something

[soft tangle]

Lilith is just doing what chopper did in wano

[trim lily]

dont worry i caught on to what you were saying arsal

[distant vine]

Clear Killingham and Sommers out of the way and have Imu fight all of Elbaph

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[hot cairn]

yeah that’s what I meant

[ashen perch]

the conclusion is running after you but youre running away from it

[spice cairn]

That seems to be the case no?

[distant vine]

Full Straw Hat vs Imu fight???

[trim lily]

you would hope

[spice cairn]

Oda is alluring you to a situation where everything is going right but goes wrong last moments.

[hot cairn]

to what

[distant vine]

Even better

Oda gets his stall moment with Luffy vs Loki

[spice cairn]

Its pretty clear Imu is going to personally come in and start blitzing everything

[trim lily]

though i wouldnt be happy with sacrificng the knights so imu can have their cool moment

[distant vine]

While Zoro leads everyone vs Imu

🎦

[trim lily]

ok lets not get ahead of ourselves

[stone terrace]

Maybe usopp does something finally by standing up to imu

[spice cairn]

Zoro leading everyone to their graves against Imu

[stone terrace]

And he gets abducted like spongebob

[distant vine]

Its a Thriller Bark parallel tis all

[spice cairn]

[charred flower]

That the one who's the most insignificant, the weakest amongst the SH will have again a mayor plot moment and will be remembered and hated by IMU by the end of the arc?

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-money-ill-take-the-money-62-cents-gif-17474154025541593697

[ashen perch]

''everyone is doing something aside from Usopp" I mean, I wouldnt downplay the achievements of the crew this chapter but Usopp's being isolated because his achievement will be bigger than all of this

[spice cairn]

Sommers speaking to god over whenever or not he wants the 62 cents raise in his paycheck or his daughter Nami

[ashen perch]

yeah

[hot cairn]

cook

[charred flower]

I'd love if Usopp gets a new God Usopp moment

[trim lily]

wahoo dressrosa but again

[spice cairn]

I mean that is obvious no?

[charred flower]

And his bounty goes over Zoro and Sanji

[ashen perch]

I love parallels, my favorite thing, one that I have mentioned a lot of times is the Doffy/Imu one

[urban lodge]

I want real development, not a 3rd Perona gag

[spice cairn]

Literally thats what's going to probably happen but I just think its amusing the way he's going about this.

[ashen perch]

God Usopp pissed off Doflamingo more than anyone in the entire island

he literally says this btw

I think we get a repeat of that yeah

[trim lily]

at this point im full in on usopp not doing anything just cause of how funny itd be

[spice cairn]

Hes just been crying

[distant vine]

Hmm if Brook is getting a backstory expansion maybe Oda really will get that Nami backstory in

[spice cairn]

Imagine thats all he did.

[ashen perch]

not maybe, he will

[stone terrace]

The imu parallel is enel not doffy

None of that goofy shi

[spice cairn]

Uh oh...

[charred flower]

IMO Usopp will never be strong, but he'll manage to find a way to use his tools and wisdom to make an impact at the world stage, becoming truly a "brave warrior"

[trim lily]

wait is this a genuine theory

i thought we were just shitposting about sommers nami

[stone terrace]

Brazil knows all

[distant vine]

The way he talked about it in those interviews sounded like he really wanted to do it so I wouldnt be shocked

[ashen perch]

just to add onto the Nami thing, did you guys see the Usopp Gallery thing with her

[spice cairn]

Buggy unironically thought it was the case

And it caught wind

[trim lily]

that checks out

[ashen perch]

they both are

[spice cairn]

So yes it was taken seriously unironically

[trim lily]

they do both have orange hair! its basically canon

[distant vine]

#NoMoreSecretCD's

[charred flower]

So... how can he do it here? Scaring IMU? Revealing an embarrassing secret?

[spice cairn]

I can't believe it!

[ashen perch]

Oda commented on someone's artwork of her, it was something like "her time to shine is just getting started!"

I gotta find it again

[spice cairn]

Who Nami?

Yeah this is her arc

We went over this

[ashen perch]

I skimmed past it on Twitter because "duh, ofc it is" but I forgot to save it to post here...

[spice cairn]

This is why you keep receipts

Smh

[distant vine]

Theorycrafters when you ask them how Nami being a CD would serve the story that hasnt been done already:

https://tenor.com/view/luffybecomes-luffyred-yaoo-huh-redie-gif-26513981

[trim lily]

im so wise

[dark nymph]

is that his actual hair color

[spice cairn]

Yes.

Its orange

Its Bonney and Big Mom all over again

[dark nymph]

ohmygodbruh

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/RDT_OG/status/2029099591640195532?s=20 ah it was this

Romance Dawn Trio (@RDT_OG)

Nami fans, Oda is telling us to get ready 🤧.
Her big moment is coming soon guys 🥹

#ONEPIECE114
#NAMI
#ナミ

X · Mar 4, 2026, 7:40 AM

[granite edge]

Enel accidentally kills himself and nami gets the goro goro no mi

[distant vine]

Big moment and she's not wearing underwear?

[stone terrace]

Hes yapping

[distant vine]

Skip to the next arc

[grand flower]

Bonney and shanks the only ones right

[spice cairn]

Big moment and shes displaying lost CD tendencies resurfaced

[ashen perch]

yeah its silly, thats why my idea is Nerona MI, not Shepherd Nami (dumb, boring, ridiculous)

[spice cairn]

Ayyy caramba...

[grand flower]

We can do 1 or two more

[trim lily]

has anyone considered chopper may be of celestial blood

[distant vine]

Id count Doflamingo and Corazon too since that wasnt debut information

[spice cairn]

Chopper ate a human human fruit and that human was actually a CD

[grand flower]

Corazon is a stretch but Dofy yeah

We’ve had three

We can do one more

But no more than that

[spice cairn]

Who would it be tho

[olive sun]

Franky bros we finally won

[trim lily]

human human fruit model: celestial dragon

goda

[spice cairn]

Franky is always winning

[dark nymph]

Choppers parents are actually ancient legendary reindeers who were friends with Joyboy

[ashen perch]

but yea, essentially, the Nami thing is "her big time to shine is yet to come", what you guys are not prepared for is the Final War being Nami's 2nd arc

[stone terrace]

If a CD has a pet reindeer its joever

[spice cairn]

Bounty is low because it keeps people from actually trying to kill a CD

[granite edge]

arlong was a kind soul who forgave the racist nami

[olive sun]

I never stopped believing

[trim lily]

oda was only one arc late

[spice cairn]

Where were you when Franky gained a grand daughter and got buffed in the same arc

[ashen perch]

I told you guys

there was just no opportunity for it during Egghead

[hot cairn]

Arsal did say that I remember

[trim lily]

if only there was an extended length of downtime between two days that it couldve happened in

[ashen perch]

thank you jesus

[grand flower]

Same

[spice cairn]

Sorry but we need a shitty backstabbing piece subplot to make you believe Oda is good at writing twists

[ashen perch]

no opportunity there either really

[charred flower]

If you think about it, the SH are mostly nepo babies having a sabbatical and their parents and distant relatives trying to control the damage they make... except for Robin, Nami and Chopper

[spice cairn]

"GREED PUNK" is the traitor

[ashen perch]

but I did want something to come out of Franky being half stone...

that would have been fun

but oh well

[trim lily]

now all franky needs is seastone

and hes set

[spice cairn]

Wait till you find out diet soda has seastone properties

[stone terrace]

Franky with seastone knuckles is in blackbeard convos

[hot cairn]

I hope the Vega Cola is a permanent thing

[trim lily]

it would be strange if he never used it again

[spice cairn]

I hope Franky is a permanent thing

[trim lily]

what if franky dies here

[grand flower]

Shuron is always rihht

[charred flower]

Vega cola is just normal cola, but with a shake

[spice cairn]

Giving him a pity buff and then killing him with the Imu self bomb sacrifice

GODA

[trim lily]

the atlas special

[leaden rivet]

All these franky feats are making me nervous

[spice cairn]

Yeah idk but...

[grand flower]

Nice

[leaden rivet]

I’ll have to admit that he’s stronger than Robin soon….

[spice cairn]

gulp I think hes going to die

[ruby cape]

Franky installing an ODC system in himself that turns cola into vega cola internally

That I could fuck with

[stone terrace]

This has literally always been the case

[distant vine]

Youre still waiting lmao????

[charred flower]

Franky/Jinbe pair?

[hot cairn]

that would be very funny

[spice cairn]

Bro got converted from Pepsi to Dr Pepper

Its so over

[trim lily]

this 41 year old cyborg still makes soda the old fashioned way

[ruby cape]

LMAO

Dr Pepper better btw

[grand flower]

That’s why Lilith brought up his internal structure this chapter

[hot cairn]

isn’t this always the case?

[woven talon]

The Sanji receipts leaked bois!!

[spice cairn]

I mean yeah Dr Pepper is the Dr Vega if OP and is better

[olive sun]

I said it during Egghead
Old Man Punk was too laser focused on his past coming to haunt him to worry about mentoring some new kid like Franky that he only knew for 24 hours or something. Egghead was a dense arc, the little bit of bonding they got was cut short

Lilith as his remaining legacy actually travels with the crew, and has had the opportunity to get to know him, makes sense for it to finally be culminating now

[hot cairn]

Robin just has the bigger bounty

[olive sun]

Also I wanna know when and how she examined Franky's internal schematics

[charred flower]

Luffy
Zoro/Sanji
Jinbe/Franky
Robin/Brook
Nami/Chopper
God Usopp

[olive sun]

What were they doing on the boat

[stone terrace]

Dont let jimbei see zoro and sanjis arlong park comments

[distant vine]

Demonio Fleur Robin when Base Franky does a Radical Beam

[leaden rivet]

No

Not to me

[grand flower]

They didn’t know the good ones then

[ruby cape]

Did this when in reality he gets riiightt along

Hidden CD

[stone terrace]

[grand flower]

They say the loudest protests are guilty projections

[ruby cape]

[urban lodge]

Quick check the episode 1000 We Are order to see which one Toei said is stronger

[grand flower]

Huh

[ashen perch]

it will be balanced out

[trim lily]

wow actually not bad

[urban lodge]

Toei power scales the straw hats in that op

[ashen perch]

waow

[trim lily]

the frillith fans eating good

[charred flower]

Did you see the Dow???

[ashen perch]

Franky I am pretty sure

[grand flower]

It’s up 50K

[trim lily]

how will this chapter affect the dow

[ashen perch]

Unfortunately, Franky is kind of destined to be Yonko Level+

[trim lily]

+

[ashen perch]

but Robin will get there to Admiral+ atleast

[dense haven]

any usopp fans in chat

[trim lily]

who

[grand flower]

That’s the same thing as

[ashen perch]

spice I know you were always slow but the eyes gotta be functioning right?

[charred flower]

Robin Franky and Brook should get armament ASAP

[ashen perch]

as?

[grand flower]

Hell yeah

[grand flower]

Gunko

Yonko

[ashen perch]

well

[trim lily]

i think it might be too late for franky

haki typically isnt something you can just get on a dime

[charred flower]

Give him at least seastone knuckles or a hidden knot

[ashen perch]

nothing is ever too late for anyone

[ashen perch]

he will be equipped with island level lasers

[trim lily]

id be pissed as hell if i was a marine that took years to learn armament only for this cola cyborg to get it in a month

[leaden rivet]

I can’t accept Franky being stronger than Robin

It doesn’t feel right

[ashen perch]

he has always been stronger

[leaden rivet]

So it can’t be the case

[ashen perch]

I have a list for this actually 1s

[trim lily]

franky has always the strongest strawhat in terms of pure power

[charred flower]

I mean... Usopp got his bloom and he still can't take a Sargeant physically

[trim lily]

well he got observation

armament is its own field

[charred flower]

Hmmm

[ashen perch]

oh nvm I am forgetting my own take, I put him at admiral+ there

[trim lily]

fake fan

[ashen perch]

Luffy: Strongest ever
Zoro: Yonko+ level
Sanji: Yonko+ level
Jinbei: Yonko level
Franky: Admiral+ level
Robin: Admiral level
Brook: Admiral level
Chopper: Admiral level
Nami: Admiral level
Usopp: Admiral level

There you go, EOS SH Rankings, pretty fair

[leaden rivet]

This is madness

No doubt about it

[ashen perch]

Franky is already at YC1 level after this chapter

[leaden rivet]

Sanji is barely YC1 and I’m not even sure about that

[ashen perch]

Sanji is ahead of YC1 level

[ornate tartan]

ahead of yc right now?

or in future

[leaden rivet]

Can Sanji even beat Katakuri?

King?

[hasty sable]

Usopp admiral level

[ashen perch]

Zoro beat the YC1 King, and they are essentially equals

[charred flower]

IMO the only SH that will reach admiral lvl or above will be Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jimbe.
Robin, Brook and Franky will be in that spectrum of the yonko commanders and Chopper/Nami/Usopp will get stupidity strong weapons/gadgets, but still weak constitutions

[ashen perch]

So, I put Sanji ahead of King as well

[woven talon]

freaking admiral becoming a participation reward is crazy

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think they’re equals but either or, the straw hats are not getting that strong

How can oda even justify taking Usopp from where he is now to admiral

[sweet anvil]

Ussop will be yonko commander level

[ashen perch]

Soda

[dark nymph]

King would be a hard fight but he'd beat him

[spice python]

Does Akainu count as admiral level?

[hasty sable]

Zoro will be emperor level because of Mihawk at least

[spice python]

Or is he above that now?

[dark nymph]

Leechji

[trim lily]

probably above

he got a promotion after all

[spice python]

Fleet Commander level

[trim lily]

hes nearly kong level

[ornate tartan]

yall are implying that chopper and nami would be able to make ppl like roger and wb sweat eos😂 admiral level is pushing it

[charred flower]

I mean... I don't think he'll ever be that strong physically, but with VP on tbeir sides he should get a weapon upgrade

[ashen perch]

Akainu is above yeah, no doubt

[hasty sable]

Sanji is getting pity powerups in all likelihood so he might stay close to Zoro

[hot cairn]

(just checked it’s Franky)

[charred flower]

But then Aokiji too?

[ornate tartan]

they will be comfortable yonko commander levels

[urban lodge]

Wranky

[ashen perch]

it is yea, like I said, Franky>Robin has been the case for sure

its not gonna change

[trim lily]

though robin would beat him

[ashen perch]

I mean he lost...

[olive sun]

Have we figured out if Franky had haki yet
Like we've never seen him USE it but Luffys comment vs Mars made it seem like he casually knows CoA and there's no reason he shouldn't have unlocked it by now

[trim lily]

he doesnt

[olive sun]

Idk if this is something he answered in SBS

[trim lily]

i assume oda would let us know if he magically unlocked it

[ashen perch]

He had some lightning to his punch this chapter, but it was regular lightning unfortunately

[trim lily]

does he even know what haki is

[olive sun]

I could see Oda off screening that cuz it's so throwaway at this point

[ashen perch]

all of the SHs know what Haki is

[hasty sable]

You think Queen’s full name is Cutty Queen

[trim lily]

zoro didnt know what coc was lol

[ashen perch]

they saw Luffy announce it the first time he used it

[ashen perch]

no?

[trim lily]

usopp didnt know what observation was either

[charred flower]

Depends on the context IMO Robin and Franky specialize in different skills, but they are really strong (like an assassin vs a juggernaut)

[ashen perch]

He literally comments on Luffy having it in FMI

[olive sun]

Zoros a moron who didn't realize he had coc

[ashen perch]

so does Sanji

[trim lily]

i guess hes just not aware himself

[olive sun]

Dudes not observant

[ruby cape]

Zoro said in FMI he’d have to step down as captain if Luffy didn’t have CoC

[ashen perch]

and the rest of the crew reacts to it with pride too iirc, so they all knew what a big deal it was

[trim lily]

when the hell did he learn about it before fmi

[woven talon]

he didn't have it at the time of the timeskip as Oda answered an SBS saying only Zoro, Luffy and Sanji know haki then. Since then things could've changed, but in Franky's case we've had no indication. He could probably just coat his fists in sea stone tbh

[trim lily]

did mihawk just casually bring it up

[hasty sable]

The bird man told him

[ashen perch]

I am sure yeah

[olive sun]

I wonder if Kazuki Yao's retirement has changed Odas personal feelings on how he uses Franky

[ashen perch]

oh for sure, but the question was about a head to head battle I guess, which Robin would not win if he did fight seriously

[woven talon]

Sanji unlocking conqueror's haki here would be such a moment. PPl will lose their crap.

[charred flower]

Yeah, but "a fight that lasted 10 days" is a parameter that has been used only with those that are "almost equal" like the 3 day fight of Roger v WB or the day fight of Kaido v Linlin or the 5 day fight of Ace v Jinbe

[olive sun]

Cuz from like, early timeskip to egghead he kinda just felt like his friends self insert

[ashen perch]

but those were draws

[olive sun]

And since then he's really gone back to his roots and become a character again

[woven talon]

Potentially.

[ashen perch]

so its more fair to say that they are equals, Kuzan just lost

[hot cairn]

they already did when it was revealed that Gaban has it

[woven talon]

slowly but surely, hopefully the trend continues

[ashen perch]

I havent noticed a difference

[sweet anvil]

Yassop is a yc3 on the supposed strongest crew rn and if ussop surpasses him …

[trim lily]

he should

[woven talon]

I mean, we're meant to equate them, but I don't think it's confirmed till it's confirmed for many ppl.

[olive sun]

Ive felt like for a while Odas been bad at using the straw hats cuz none of these characters were designed to develop for a 1500 chapter story

[hot cairn]

guys, is it just or is the art this arc is good?

[charred flower]

But this is the largest fight that no one else intervened/saved/mediated or ended with "both became friends in the end" one had to lose, and that give Akainu the edge, but even then I'd say they are mostly on par

[woven talon]

TBH I don't think it suits Sanji's personality at all.

[olive sun]

So hopefully now that we're at the endgame they can start to take starring roles again

[trim lily]

its felt about the same as egghead to me

[woven talon]

but if it's needed, it's needed

[urban lodge]

Usopp will be 1% stronger than Yasopp and that's it

[olive sun]

Sanji, Brook, Franky and Robin have been wonderful

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[woven talon]

I don't mind, so long as he progresses

[olive sun]

I'm praying for Usopp and Chopper

[ornate tartan]

it’s amazing, more ppl need to notice, the backgrounds are so detailed

[ashen perch]

I wont disagree that they are close though, but Akainu should be ahead

[hot cairn]

I think Elbaph’s better

[charred flower]

Is that difference enough to say he's on another category?

[olive sun]

I think in terms of line quality Elbaf has been better. Odas surgery has been showing its results

But Elbaf is really terrible at showing proportion and scale in an island that dearly needs that

So on a technical level I prefer Egghead

[charred flower]

Sure, but Usopp is not Yassop

[ashen perch]

eh, I am not going to lie, I don't really care about discussing this , but I do feel like Akainu's role in the story requires him to be more powerful. Who really knows though!

[ashen perch]

I agree

Elbaf's art has been noticeably better, people overlook the improvement because of the scans

[urban lodge]

It's definitely better

Egghead looked pretty rough at times

[ashen perch]

but you look at the Viz scans, and Oda's been quite consistently sharp this arc for sure

yeah

[woven talon]

wow two takes in a row I agree with, who is this guy? Let's be friends :: )

[charred flower]

Robin's powers are so... weird, similar to Laws.. they have to be "nerfed" so it doesn't become an instant 1 shot against certain opponents, IMO Robin still should take the win if she grows an arm inside his moth and crushes his lungs, but we know she won't do that in this world

[charred flower]

True, sry to get into powerscaling

[leaden rivet]

Don’t be sorry, be better.

[ashen perch]

its fine lol, I like to get into it sometimes but its not the most interesting thing to me

[hot cairn]

also we’ve been getting so much double spreads and full spreads lately

[charred flower]

I mean, that's been a thing since chapter 1, Oda has a preference on how the reader should perceive the panel instead of maintaining the world's proportions or even physical laws

[hot cairn]

B-But I was the one who said that Elbaph art was better

I said it because that panel of Sanji, Jinbe and Franky fighting was surprisingly clean

also the last one too

[olive sun]

Yeah but Elbafs entire appeal is its Continental scale. This is the Tiny Huge Island arc, we're focused around one village and road and some forest below em but Elbaf is monumental and that all encompasses a surface area larger than most of the islands we've been to

And I don't think it's being depicted convincingly

[ashen perch]

Speaking of art, this panel really stood out to me last chapter, its the kind of shading that is unusual for Oda

[woven talon]

Yeah some detail necersarily gets crushed out in the scanning process. The digital versions are better shading wise, but I still think it goes a bit sketchy at times. I think the average panel looks better now, but the big moments are still not quite what they were a decade ago. And that's fine tbh

[ashen perch]

it looks really great, very clean use of screentones

[woven talon]

we're already friends, silly

[ashen perch]

Oda usually is big on cross hatching, and it can look a little messy in recent years

[hot cairn]

😭

[hot cairn]

I loved that panel

[woven talon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-vivi-tears-cry-gif-17983226

[ashen perch]

I do think the peaks are still pretty great, but the consistency is what has been lacking. Elbaf has been a noticeable improvement in consistency though

[hot cairn]

I think Oda has enjoyed drawing this arc a lot

[charred flower]

Agreed, I had some of that with the early lego and when they moved on boat around... I guess it's really hard to maintain the sense of scale when you have a continental tree, with an island dragon, with ancient giant dream monsters and "normal" giants and then somehow you have to make the Straw Hats visible

[distant copper]

One Peak

[hot cairn]

man I always do this when we’re deep in an arc but I really wonder what’s next arc going to look like lol

[ashen perch]

but this was classic Oda shading, notice how the lines are all drawn in a very clean spiral pattern by Oda, to draw your eyes towards the centre to make it more impactful

like theres so many panels like this, where Oda's felt very impressive again as an artist

[charred flower]

Also it's a "rifle" move so it keeps the movement and spin

[ashen perch]

yeah

[woven talon]

I'm more stunned by the hype of the writting and the idea of the moment rather than the presentation of it. I think there's some cool impact panels in Elbaf, and it's no where near as busy as Wano, making it more readable. That said, it's still sometimes a bit tricky to tell specific micro actions and Oda's not suceeded at all in making the giants feel... well giant imho. I feel like a younger oda would've played with perspective alot more, but the manga seems locked into the giant's POV, so they always seem normal sized.

[ashen perch]

big dragon...

[woven talon]

It's not really a negative, but I am looking forward to seeing the anime version of some scenes, just so I can see the scale better, and maybe have some playful framing

[trim lily]

NOO the bear

loki is a menace

[charred flower]

Also the expressions, this new faces makes them even more punchable

[woven talon]

I think Oda's been very economical, so things look good. I just think he used to be more concerned about flair, which I miss

[woven talon]

yeah emotive stuff is his speciality now. So good

[spice python]

Sommers made Elbaf for me, that guy has been peak since his intro

[trim lily]

one of oda's best characters in years

[ashen perch]

I think he has played around with the perspective from time to time, like the last spread this chapter. Zoro only appears bigger here because the camera is being placed right in front of him, while the giants are more in the background. I liked how it looked

[formal wagon]

is chat alive?

[trim lily]

[formal wagon]

kaido is a fish, but drake and loki are dragons

[ashen perch]

could have been even better if Oda centrised Zoro a bit, it kind of rubs me the wrong way

idk if anyone's mentioned that, but it felt off

[formal wagon]

why did oda make kaido a fish

[blazing depot]

AI recolor 🤮

[ashen perch]

good spread, but Zoro not being right in the centre is odd

[olive sun]

Dragon and Dinosaur are the same word in Japanese

[ashen perch]

I guess, maybe the idea is that he is not leading them

[hot cairn]

I think the anime will help a lot with making the giants seem giant

[formal wagon]

also, i think it would be a fun activity to list all the potential other mythological dragon fruits could be

[olive sun]

He probably didn't wanna cause confusion with all the other Ryu Ryu models on Wano

[ashen perch]

which makes sense

[olive sun]

So Kaido got a gimmick one

[formal wagon]

thats an interesting fact

[ashen perch]

that and the Koi myth

[formal wagon]

magikarp

cobblemon majikarp jump majikarp variants are so fun

[tidal onyx]

Yea they do a better job showing the scaling

[ashen perch]

Kaku for example is a Cow zoan, nobody ever questioned that? but that too is based on a myth of some sort

[grand flower]

Is it

[formal wagon]

what myth?

[woven talon]

yeah. I think Oda's art i exceptional for a 30 year long ongoing weekly shonen manga. And it's improving from where it was a couple years back, so no reason to be down on it. Heck I'd read op if it was a light novel at this point.

[formal wagon]

i didn't question it because cows and giraffes are similar animals

[woven talon]

I should head off

later ppl!

[grand flower]

You bouta WHAT off?

[trim lily]

is giraffe milk a thing

[ashen perch]

I remember reading it back when the Kaido thing came out, gotta look for it again

[grand flower]

Why do you ask

What do you plan

[ashen perch]

but thats why Kaku has an Ushi (Cow) Zoan

[fast pagoda]

Hopeslop chapter....

[trim lily]

if theyre like cows then maybe

[spice python]

I think it's because they're both ungulates?

[hot cairn]

deadass me too, I’m too invested in this story. I need to see how it ends

[fast pagoda]

Dorry and Broggy really came back that quick?

[formal wagon]

horse milk is. Airag, which is a fermented horse milk beverage from mongolia is on my bucketlist of things to try/ do

i guess i should specify mare's milk

[hot cairn]

LOL

[hot cairn]

things are looking too good rn…

[ashen perch]

oh yeah this does make more sense

[fast pagoda]

Yeah and it sucks lol

[formal wagon]

so was there no myth?

omg arsal

[trim lily]

oh you actually can drink giraffe milk

[rich hornet]

In the physical he wound be in the middle of the fold, which is awkward

[trim lily]

has a higher fat content

[grand flower]

Buddy…

[olive sun]

Bovids are their closest cousin, I think that's acceptable lol

[ashen perch]

I read it ages ago smh, cant find it now

[grand flower]

You made it up gang

You gas lit yourself

[fast pagoda]

Sorry ik I've been very bitchy and negative I just dont like this chapter at all lol

[grand flower]

False memories

[formal wagon]

arsal lying again

[grand flower]

You

[ashen perch]

I didnt... someone posted it here during the whole Koi debate

[formal wagon]

usopp pfp fits

[ashen perch]

smh

[olive sun]

Itd be funny if a whale zoan showed up with a cow cow model since they're basically as closely related

[grand flower]

Nah you mandelad yourself gang

[formal wagon]

that would be neat

whale theory...

hardrocker's whale theory....

i honestly dont remember what the whale theory is aboubt until im rewatching it

[trim lily]

looks like someone is going to miss out on the big giraffe event in 2027

couldnt be me

[ashen perch]

true but Oda sometimes ignores that lol. I guess he isnt necessarily leading them, he's just part of a group, so putting him in the centre wouldnt be appropriate

[grand flower]

Thank god

[formal wagon]

okay which exotic mammal would you most like to try the milk of everyone give an answer

[trim lily]

dolphin

[formal wagon]

horse is probably as far as i'll go

[grand flower]

I got too much of a certain pigment for that question

[ashen perch]

I mean, why?

[spice python]

Camel

[grand flower]

Least insane answer

Tbh

[formal wagon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumis this is the mare's milk thing i was talking about earlier

[grand flower]

Horse is kinda craxy

[ashen perch]

I feel like we should be familiar with this. If things are looking too good, there's gonna be a sudden moment of despair again

[grand flower]

Why woukd they call it this

[formal wagon]

i thought so too at first but then i read that it was tasty and alcholic

[ashen perch]

Ebbs and flows of the arc, Oda loves alternating between hope and despair

[formal wagon]

idk what its % is

[grand flower]

Luffy getting thrown into the ocean after figuring out that attacking with supreme king Haki works om Kaido

[ashen perch]

exactly

he did this multiple times in just Onigashima

[formal wagon]

and its fun to try strange things

[grand flower]

Five Elders coming after Luffy charges back up for Saturn

[ashen perch]

You got King, Queen, BM, all losing back to back and then yet Luffy still loses anyways

that was the 2nd time

oh 3rd

[grand flower]

There was also Luffy being KOd by Apoo after they successfully snuck in

That was after the high point of thinking the ally ships got bombed and Denjiro’s face turn

Oda has a flow to these things

[rich hornet]

At some point, things do get good and stay good, though. It’s just that usually coincides with massive destruction

[ashen perch]

yeah, but I would say the Scabbards nailing Kaido like that was the more clearer moment of FULL hope

[formal wagon]

i didnt know nidhogg was a dragon

i thought it was like a gross worm tbh

[grand flower]

That too

[ashen perch]

oh this too

because at that point, the Scabbards were in total despair

[fast pagoda]

The antagonists do not feel challening anymore

[cold comet]

I am immortal until one piece ends.

[fast pagoda]

Oda is just giving the straw hats constant aura and hype moments

and it takes away from the antagonists

[grand flower]

Yeah

[fast pagoda]

Feels lazy

[formal wagon]

oh worm in german means dragon

[grand flower]

We were just dealing with people saying that Gunko handled a Yonko crew and all that

[rich hornet]

Literally every point of tension has been lowered besides Gunko’s possession

[grand flower]

Well yeah the protagonists arent always gonna be on the back foot

I’m rereading marineford and it’s exactly like this too

[ashen perch]

but I feel like thats the point, the crew shouldnt be failing against these low level monsters

[grand flower]

It’s gonna be a back and forth

There are chapters in MF where it’s going entirely tje pirates way

Others it’s entirely the Navy’s way

[formal wagon]

its cause they're not lucci

[grand flower]

That’s very true actually

[formal wagon]

yeah tbh

[ornate tartan]

tension is coming

[ashen perch]

The ultimate threat was always going to be Imu, he transcends all threats that the crew has ever faced. I think thats going to be their big ''oh this is different" moment.

[rich hornet]

What part? Because there was pretty much always the lingering threat of Ace. In Elbaph, the central conflict has been resolved

[grand flower]

I indubitably concur

[grand flower]

Why do you believe that

[ashen perch]

Nothing has really been resolved

[fast pagoda]

Yeah and it happened really quickly lol

[grand flower]

The central conflict is Imu is here to buss ass tbh

[fast pagoda]

They shouldn't be low level though

Also that doesnt match how Oda protrayed yonko crews in the past

Being a yonko crew member doesnt make you invincible

The beast pirates, the bm pirates and the wb pirates didnt feel this overpowered

[rich hornet]

The children are under no threat, the library is saved, the giant warrior pirates are being freed

[ashen perch]

Every nightmare can respawn as long as Qilingham stands, Every child can be thorned again as long as Sommers gets up, and nothing at all has changed with Imu. He is standing there, calmly observing, like he can reverse it at any moment he chooses to.

[formal wagon]

potential other mythical Ryu models
Tiamat
Quetzalcoatl
Fafnir (probably not since we got nidhogg)

[fast pagoda]

This ended up feeling the same as Egghead

[grand flower]

And Imu is still here

It’s not safe at all

[formal wagon]

what model was orochis?

[vital heart]

I translated the whole chapter this week!!!

[trim lily]

theres a decent chance this is a setup for someone to turn the tables on our heroes but itd be nice if the knights didnt have to be sacrificed for it

[formal wagon]

wasn't it a snake or something

[fast pagoda]

If something changes within the next few chapters I'll agree

[trim lily]

really meek

[grim ermine]

Loda js over replace him please

[grand flower]

Yo it’s really craxy that people are just like

“Fuck the Reversi reference”

[formal wagon]

are you sure?

[ashen perch]

the knights arent getting sacrificed, Qilingham took one hit

[formal wagon]

[grand flower]

Why aren’t yall assuming that Imu will just flip them back???

[ashen perch]

ONE hit

[formal wagon]

ONE WISH

[rich hornet]

Is Imu’s presence alone enough to ignite an entire new crisis?

[formal wagon]

how does the song go

[trim lily]

over the top

[ashen perch]

sorry, right, every un-Domi Reversi'd giant can be Domi Reversi'd again

[trim lily]

isnt that boring though