also-manga

[muted hedge]

no matter what he does, he'll always be the successor

[grand flower]

“Oh I fit those details”

And his conclusion is STILL “but that’s got nothing to do with me”

Luffy is an adamant, self determined paragon

[muted hedge]

yes, and he can think that without it meaning that he won't follow the path of them

[grand flower]

He’s not gonna change his mind on that

[tall wharf]

Luffy don't give a fuck about Nika or Joyboy. i don't know how he will find out on laughtale

[grand flower]

It will mean that because when people start telling him to do XYZ because he’s Nika, he’s gonna say no

And it’s bound to happen

[muted hedge]

just because he refuses to label himself as Nika or Joyboy doesn't mean that fate won't lead him down a similair path, as fate already chose him as the successor of the Nika fruit.

[lofty fern]

The question would be how did it get all the way in Elbaph? Also, would his head be that big? Even if we took off Loki's head, his skull wouldn't be that big. Even Oars seems to be small in comparison

[muted hedge]

well, Vivi being kidnapped would be an external reason for why he'd do it.
and he would definitely do it as he won't let any of his friends get hurt, especially not Vivi

[steel stirrup]

I would never be at the house

[grand flower]

I think you should consider that the blackbesrd pirates, the villains, are the biggest mouthpieces of fate in the series

Also

Luffy is all about defying fate

Luffy believes in, you get what you make happen

[muted hedge]

fate is a general thing, they just choose to embrace it more than others

[grand flower]

Remember his conversation with big mom when he was imprisoned in WCI

Big Mom kept saying “I couldn’t become PK because they did this, and they did that”

Luffy said shut that shit

[cosmic hamlet]

God of war is from way back, probably 3000 years ago so we don't know much 😥

[grand flower]

You didn’t become PK because YOU failed do this

YOU failed to do that

[muted hedge]

doesn't matter to this discussion

[grand flower]

And he stresses “IM here to do this”

[lofty fern]

Not sure about 3000 years, I'd say VC

[grand flower]

And “IM here to do that”

[tall wharf]

will find out more on next chapter or whatever, lodestar arc

[cosmic hamlet]

Not VC, he fought nika. Nika is not from VC

[grand flower]

Yes it does. The relevance is that shows Luffy believes completely in agency

[muted hedge]

you're not even answering to the arguments i've made Shuron

[grand flower]

Luffy doesn’t believe in things like fate

[rose rune]

Incoming "this is my destiny" luffy arc

[lofty fern]

It's something that's still in Jarul's memory, They said no one knows anything from 3000 years ago, that's why the facility is still a mystery

[grand flower]

He believes that what happens is the result of what you fail to do and what you successfully do

Nothing else

Fate doesn’t matter to Luffy

[cosmic hamlet]

We not gonna get much in next chapter related to this

[muted hedge]

well, he'll have to believe in it when someone ends up on the wrong side of the World Government, when he'll have to rescue them

like Vivi is already lead up to be

[lofty fern]

It's never stated to be Nika, just "the sun god" and as you can see with Luffy, any one with the fruit is called "nika" or "sun god"

[muted hedge]

it's an natural way for him to defeat Imu, if they have Vivi captured

[grand flower]

Vivi is a poor answer to lock in Luffy ans exclude Dragon because as you just admitted, Dragon, Sabo and the Revos are not only connected to Vivi but owe her

[muted hedge]

it's such a clear set up, if you ask me

[tall wharf]

who knows and let oda decide that we never know but im looking forward to get information more deep lore about 3k years+

[cosmic hamlet]

He said, "in elbaf, there is a legend about god of war" so definitely not VC.

[grand flower]

Which can be used for both Luffy and dragon

[muted hedge]

it's not a poor answer as the main theme of Luffy as well as Shanks is they're never going to let a friend be hurt.

[grand flower]

That’s fine but it doesn’t guarantee Luffy will defeat Imu and dragon won’t

[muted hedge]

Dragon will definitely be part of it, he'll just not the one who'll defeat Imu.
Luffy will

[grand flower]

Dragon is now involved with the Vivi storyline

[muted hedge]

i think it does, Dragon will hold off Garling or Sakazuki

[lofty fern]

800 years ago is legend in elbaph too, The Galleila giants are also said to be "legend" according to Harald.

[muted hedge]

not as much as Luffy has been from the day they met

[grand flower]

The story’s been bringing dragon closer to Imu and distancing Luffy from the WG so I don’t see that

[craggy vapor]

this is the only sun god

[cosmic hamlet]

Let oda decide that

No? Why should i 🤔

[muted hedge]

come on, Luffy literally just encountered Imu in the latest chapter

[grand flower]

Her father died saving Sabo’s life and the Revos are benefiting from slandering his name

[muted hedge]

Dragon didn't know who Imu was up until Sabo got back

[grand flower]

They owe her lmao

[cosmic hamlet]

Not really, giants live for 200+ years

[grand flower]

That’s enough for dragon to defeat Imu if we’re going by Vivi

[muted hedge]

i disagree

i will always see Luffy defeating Imu

[lofty fern]

I mean, they haven't really encountered yet, it's funny Imu doesn't even seem to notice or care about Luffy at the moment

[lofty fern]

And yet the Galleila are considered myth and legend

[tall wharf]

Just wonder what makes Nika lose? and Joyboy lose? because of losing ancient weapon or what? i bet it really something off in mystery

[muted hedge]

well they're in the same place at least

[grand flower]

When Egghead ends, Dragon internalized every development the WG had as antagonists

Luffy moves on with his adventure and it’s all out of mind for him

[craggy vapor]

but as of right now Luffy doesn’t have personal bizzness with Imu

[muted hedge]

it's not out of his mind, the Holy Knights and Imu are on Elbaph as the center of conflict as we speak

i don't see how you can neglect this Shuron

[cosmic hamlet]

He didn't say legend, he said myth. However the same jarul who said god of war is a legend knows about gallela giants from VC so yeah they are from different generation

[cosmic hamlet]

Not to jarul dude

[lofty fern]

He seemed to be aware that he would lose considering the contingency plan that was put into place at the end of the war as well as his apology to the mermaid princess. It was as if he was aware he wouldn't be able to keep his promise.

[craggy vapor]

hammer wielding huh? Maybe Usopp will get his powerup when the frozen giants are released

[cosmic hamlet]

😭

[muted hedge]

the frozen warriors are definitely the crew of the former war god

[craggy vapor]

why are you crying?

[tall wharf]

What I thought so, it seems they lose Poseidon or something.

[cosmic hamlet]

Usopp will get this, usopp will get that.

Meanwhile usopp in elbaf

[muted hedge]

hence why they would only follow the one with the Nidhogg fruit

[craggy vapor]

Usopp can’t stay a bum all his life, can he?

[muted hedge]

he isn't a bum

[lofty fern]

Myth and legend is basically synonymous. You could use either adjective. Jarul's only 400+ years old and even he is way older than most. Also, the giants don't know everything about the VC the same as everyone else. 800+ years ago would be at least two generations before. If not more. Makes sense it fell into legend.

[grand flower]

The WG were developed as antagonists with the narrative developments of:

1. The mother flame
2. The ancient weapons
3. The great flooding/the war
4. The mystery of the D./Vegapunk’s message
5. The destruction of Lulusia

Luffy leaves Egghead with none of this on his mind. Once Lilith explains VP lives on thru her, he gets over Egghead and his mind moves onto Elbaph. To the point that when he saw the pentagram in Haralds throne room, he didn’t even remember that’s what he saw the Elders come out of

Dragon on the other hand goes thru egghead internalizing all of these developments. Unlike Luffy, we see these developments influence Dragon’s outlook/mindset/motivations

Which goes hand in hand with Luffy failing to stop the government from securing York, tje mother flame, the lab, the seraphim, or the Pacifista

All of this conveys the responsibility moving away from Luffy and toward dragon

[lofty fern]

Also, it's after the creation of DFs, which I think happened at the beginning of the 2nd world.

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't know about that. I feel like god of war and nika are from same generation

[muted hedge]

i mean yeah both Dragon and Luffy are clearly against the World Government
there's no point in denying it, the World Government have been hot on Luffy's tail weither by fate or coincidence. it's clear that they're bound to clash multiple times until Luffy puts a stop to Imu, Dragon and the Revolutionairies will be there as well, they just won't be the ones who does the finishing blow to Imu, that will be Luffy.

[grand flower]

That’s actually a core difference I bring up with this convo a lot that people neglect

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't know man, so far he didn't do much

[grand flower]

Luffy consistently deals with the WG when they present themselves to him

If the knights didn’t come to Elbaph, they would not be any concern to Luffy

[lofty fern]

Also, think about the fact that Ragnir has been holding up in Ouest Castle this whole time since the god of war died. Do you really think Ouest castle is 3000 years old?

[grand flower]

He’s content with leaving the WG alone if they’re leaving him alone

[muted hedge]

Luffy also declared war against the World Government back on Enies Lobby

[grand flower]

Dragon is the complete opposite

[muted hedge]

by burning their flag

[grand flower]

Dragon is actively pursuing conflict with the WG

[grand flower]

Luffy is reactive to the WG

Dragon is proactive

[grand flower]

Tjis doesnt contradict anything I said

[grand flower]

Luffy deals with the WG when they make themselves something to deal with

[cosmic hamlet]

I already mentioned. He knows about the gallela giants from VC but says its a legend for god of war. Take only one person pov

[muted hedge]

well, it doesn't support what you say

[grand flower]

Dragon sees them as something to deal with perpetually

[muted hedge]

he actively declared war against them

[grand flower]

Lol yes it does

[muted hedge]

we won't get anywhere with this, i'm going to get something to eat

[tall wharf]

I think that made sense Harald took and put somewhere in Elbaph

[grand flower]

Because once Luffy got robin back, the war was over

[lofty fern]

He only knows of one because of a letter, the other he might just not know a lot about

[grand flower]

Luffys conflicts with the Government are always instigated by the government

[grand flower]

Like I said they MAKE THEMSELVES something to deal with

[muted hedge]

yeah, something that Luffy has to deal with

just like he'll have to deal with Imu

[lofty fern]

The fruits been there since before Harald?

[grand flower]

Once Luffy has dealt with whatever the immediate conflict is, he moves on

Dragon is different because he actively instigates conflicts

Again, Luffy is reactive

Dragon is proactive

[muted hedge]

let's agree to disagree

[grand flower]

Another piece of writing that communicates, tje responsibility is ultimately dragons

[tall wharf]

Honesty, I'm not sure but possible (just thinking)

[grand flower]

You can’t

[muted hedge]

i can

[grand flower]

Becausw that’s simply true lol

[muted hedge]

since this is getting nowhere

[grand flower]

Dragon is proactive and Luffy is reactive

[muted hedge]

you're saying your points, i am saying mine
we don't agree with eachother

let's leave it there

[grand flower]

You wanna agree to disagree because you can’t reconcile that dragon being proactive DOES draw him closer to them as their antagonist

[muted hedge]

i want to agree to disagree since this is getting nowhere

[cosmic hamlet]

Nah, i think we have a nika df for luffy and joyboy and we have a god of war df for loki so i think god of war and nika are from same generation. Thats my speculation. We anyway don't know which generation he is from so i will side with nika generation

[grand flower]

Yeah because you aren’t telling me how I’m wrong for pointing out what I’m pointing out

[lofty fern]

And so goes the end of every "who is going to be the final villain of OP" weekly arguments 😆

[rose rune]

Lets disagree to disagree?

[muted hedge]

i hate them

[grand flower]

Luffy is content with leaving the WG alone if they don’t swing first

Dragon will swing first in the WG, Luffy doesnt

That’s a fact

[rose rune]

Or disagree to agree?

[grand flower]

Egghead ended with Luffy not internalizing or being motivated by any of the events on the island

He literally and figuratively moves on

Dragon ends egghead pontificating over what they have to do with these new developments

That’s a fact

[muted hedge]

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FixupX · Feb 28, 2026, 3:00 AM

[grand flower]

Themes of freedom and “saving Vivi” also apply to dragon

[solid mantle]

or agree to agree

[rose rune]

Nah fuck that

[solid mantle]

you were missing that one

[grand flower]

Luffy has distanced himself from being seen as the sun god

Also facts

[craggy vapor]

Luffy is the meat god

[rose rune]

Stussy the lip god

[grand flower]

This happens because people don’t respond to the truth values of arguments lol

Arguments go somewhere when you’re willing to address principle and paradigm

Not when you just repeat what you believe

[solid mantle]

Jinbe is the goat

[pliant viper]

The final antagonist to luffy is obviously going to be buggy at laughtale

[rose rune]

Luffy is clearly the final villain

Thanks brookfan, no wait. I misread

[craggy vapor]

but it’s easier to repeat what you believe

[grand flower]

There’s a huge chance this’ll happen tbh

[grand flower]

Unironically yeah

[muted hedge]

there are some things in the story that i think would make the narrative for the worse, Luffy not taking down Imu is one of those things. i'm stubborn when it comes to this, since anything else would ruin the story for me.

[solid mantle]

I like your new @grand flower

[rose rune]

Luffy will stand in the way of zoro's dream, so zoro will be the final villain. Then Genzo will kill luffy because he took nami's smile away

[muted hedge]

if the Joyboy vs Nika intrigue doesn't lead to anything, then why would we have it? why would Luffy have the fruit of Nika and why would Imu despise Joyboy?

[grand flower]

See that’s the thing

I’m pointing out to you rn how Oda has been making dragon an appropriate character to defeat Imu this entire time

[muted hedge]

yes and i don't see it

[grand flower]

Aside from what I’ve already pointed out with Egghead

[muted hedge]

i see your arguments for it and i don't see how it leads to such a conclusion where Luffy isn't there

Luffy will always be in the climax

[lofty fern]

I'm going more from the idea that DFs weren't around yet when Nika first appeared on the scene in the 1st world, but we shall see.

[grand flower]

He’ll be there

He’ll be there beating Blackbeards ass

[rose rune]

Have you mentioned how Sabo is slowly getting more recognition than dragon?

[muted hedge]

he'll do that too

[craggy vapor]

Because Joyboy and Imu are like Shanks and Buggy. Joyboy probably ate the Nika fruit which enraged Imu cuz he wanted to eat it himself.

[muted hedge]

Imu and Blackbeard both will recieve an ass whooping by Luffy

[grand flower]

Then when Blackbeard senses that dragon has Imu on the ropes

Teach will do what he does best

[lofty fern]

Isn't that what any argument is?

[grand flower]

Don’t be foolish

Wano set a precedence btw

[craggy vapor]

insert Einstein meme

[grand flower]

With big mom being defeated by kid and law

Central antagonists are no longer exclusive to Luffy

[lofty fern]

I wouldn't consider Big Mom a central antagonist, at least of that arc

[grand flower]

You would be very wrong

[prisma yacht]

Big mom was still an important antag

[craggy vapor]

I think Imu will be killed by the person who hates the WG the most.

[grand flower]

There’s a dialogue all through the raid of

[cosmic hamlet]

Even if they weren't, there is no indication that god of war is using a devil fruit?

[grand flower]

“So they have two Kaidos”

“We can’t let them team up”

“You can beat the generals but it don’t matter so long as those TWO are active”

[lofty fern]

She's important, but not the central antagonist. i.e. the antagonist at the center. That was still Kaido

[grand flower]

The chapter where law and kid use their awakenings on BM is called “top billing”

The summary of the volumes say theyre the TWO big bass

Bads*

[lofty fern]

They literally said that the god of war ate the DF Loki has now, so there had to be DF at that time.

[grand flower]

Promotional material describes Big Mom as “one of the main foes, alongside Kaido”

[prisma yacht]

Nash what did you complete

[grand flower]

The ending narration of the arc is “they were BOTH finally defeated!”

There is no argument

There is no “Kaido featuring big mom”

The story hammers in its “Kaido AND big mom”

[cosmic hamlet]

They didn't, show me the panel? They said he transformed to a dragon. Thats it.

[grand flower]

Kinda why they have a stalemate in the start of the arc lo

[rose rune]

"Also starring: big mom, as herself"

[grand flower]

It’s why thriller bark is a prologue to the emperor saga

And it’s about BOTH of them

It’s why every arc between FMI and Wano develops them both

[grand flower]

Hell it’s why it’s the EMPEROR saga

And not the WANO saga

[lofty fern]

Hmm, maybe it's just the way it was worded. I was going off of the full summary, but even looking at the chapter its obviously in reference to the fruit since that's where Jarul is starting from.

[grand flower]

Big Mom and Kaido are the final antagonists of the Yonko Saga, together

[lofty fern]

If he doesn't have a fruit sure, but that seems to be the context

Maybe it will be written differently later

[cosmic hamlet]

No, its the same as sun god nika. They both were converted to dfs

[lofty fern]

You think they were converted to DFs? That's never said at all

We've never seen or heard of living beings turned into DFs

[cosmic hamlet]

We have sun god nika df. Thats what i meant. Just how we have that fruit with sun god nika powers. We got loki df powers from god of war

[solid mantle]

I have a theory of existence that I've been working on for a while but didn't have enough with the mural, maybe with Jarul's statement I can make it work

[craggy vapor]

you may start the cooking session

[lofty fern]

The problem with that is that Loki does not have the "god of war" DF. He has the Nidhogg DF that the "god of war" also had

[solid mantle]

I just have to go panel seeking which bores me to death

[lofty fern]

They never equate Nidhogg as = to the god of war.

[solid mantle]

I will, but maybe not today

[cosmic hamlet]

Again, there is no mention of god of war had the df? Why are you saying stuff which isn't in the manga?

Sun god nika has his own powers.

God of war has his own powers which is dragon powers.

There both powers were now in the df form

[stone terrace]

Yeah its a little strange

The god moniker comes from the mythical creature that is nika

[lofty fern]

Because that's what's implied. They start off talking about the Nidhog fruit and then go into on of the previous users, which was the god of war

[solid mantle]

people may figure it out and it'll be a common theory anyways

[stone terrace]

But the god of war was real

Just a giant that was deified

[craggy vapor]

I know

[cosmic hamlet]

No it isn't implied. If they say sun god nika using freedom powers you gonna say sun god nika ate his own df?

[lofty fern]

It could also be a title, similar to how Ryuma was called the "god of the blade"

[muted hedge]

this chapter made me want to replay God of War

[lofty fern]

If the sun god they're talking about isn't Nika, yes.

[cosmic hamlet]

Sun god is nika

🤦🏽‍♂️

[lofty fern]

They call Luffy the sun god too, and yes he ate the fruit

Luffy has been referred to as "sun god" and as "Nika" , same for Joyboy

[cosmic hamlet]

Okay let me put it this way.

I have a speculation. You cannot use your own speculation to say my speculation is wrong

God of war is not said to ate a df

[lofty fern]

Could be TCB's wording, but that is the clear indication from the flow of the conversation

[solid mantle]

wait for viz

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't care about what you think it is bro 😭

[muted hedge]

damn

[lofty fern]

Okay, cool

[cosmic hamlet]

You cannot just say, the wording is wrong. It is this believe me 😵‍💫

[muted hedge]

the origin of the conversation definitely seem to imply that the god of war also had the Nidhogg fruit

[solid mantle]

look up the kanjis and have ai translate it

[proud pivot]

Kratos cheating fr

[lofty fern]

If you want to think it was Nika and that the god of war was the real dragon, that's fine. But then I would ask do you think the "god of war" is Nidhogg? Because that's never been stated.

[cold lily]

Hii guys

[solid mantle]

hey

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats fine sabaku, implying doesn't mean its confirmed.

My speculation is that god of war is from sun god nika generation. He has his own powers just like nika. Does anything in manga contradicts my speculation?

[cold lily]

Hi bro

[cosmic hamlet]

😂

[lofty fern]

So you're saying the god of war had the powers of the Nidhogg?

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes by default

Just like how sun god nika has his powers

[wraith mantle]

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Ragnirs so cute man, idk why Oda made a Kaido slayer so adorable

X · Feb 28, 2026, 12:30 AM

[solid mantle]

Theory of existence

[cosmic hamlet]

Because my speculation is sun god nika and god of war is from same timeline

[lofty fern]

So which came first, the Nidhogg or the god of war? Those are two different beings. It's not like Nika having Nika powers. Nika's abilities belong to Nika. But the god of war is not the same as Nidhogg. One owns their own abilities, the other is borrowing the powers of another being.

[solid mantle]

Theory of existence

I'll just have to write it down, and post it today won't I?

[digital spear]

Btw can people just reincarnate with a mythical zoan

[cosmic hamlet]

Its just a different name, its not a human fruit to have god of war

[lofty fern]

You mean, like they reincarnate with their fruits?

[solid mantle]

mythical Zoans have a will of their own, therefore Haki, therefore and most likely the will of previous users gets imbued in the fruit. Not reincarnation but will being passed on.

[digital spear]

Yeah like Raratoskr died but then seemingly became a fruit that was eaten by Ragnir and itd just another Ratatoskr now

[lofty fern]

Just a different name? It's a totally different being

[solid mantle]

Theory of existence

fuck i'll need to write it down

I hate this.

[digital spear]

I guess you also need people to believe in you

[lofty fern]

As far as we know, living things don't just turn into fruits, but it would be interesting to see the mechanics of what happened

[digital spear]

Will Luffy die and then someone eats the Luffy fruit

[warm sierra]

Dont word it like that man

[digital spear]

What...

[solid mantle]

Nah. Luffy will end the cycle of the Nika fruit.

[cosmic hamlet]

How would you know? How are you sure that god of war is not nidogg. God of war could just be a title like how nika had sun god

[steel stirrup]

I thought the God Of War was a Nidhogg fruit user

[cosmic hamlet]

Yeah everyone thought the same but it was not mentioned that he is a df user nor he ate it. It just said that he transforms into a dragon

Jarul said it like its his own power

I could be wrong but there is no mention in the manga currently to prove I'm wrong yet 😂

[misty nebula]

Hito Hito No Mi, Model: Crackhead

[rich hornet]

And people of Wano call fruit powers sorcery

[dense rapids]

SBS today?

[pulsar path]

Yo this picture of Emily Rud just gives me freaking. Bounty poster vibes!!!

[cosmic hamlet]

Right, like i said i could be wrong but there is currently no indication to prove I'm wrong. Its just speculation at this point. What you said now is also a speculation

[dense rapids]

He was

That’s been said like 3-4 times

[elder kraken]

I dont think the era of sun god nika has DFs

[lofty fern]

Why wouldn't Jarul then just say "Nidhogg, the god of war was a dragon...." he clearly separated the two figures. The Nidhogg is also never mentioned before to be equated to the god of war", rather it's epitaph is lightning dragon

[pulsar path]

Unless I'm looking at it wrong

[dense rapids]

Well based off yesterday they were

We know the previous user was the war god because Ragnir has been protecting the fruit

[pulsar path]

It seems like elbaf and Imu call it nidhog but is that really the class of the fruit or a nickname and it's really just the dragon fruit I was kinda confused by that

[cosmic hamlet]

Like you said he doesn't have much information on him. Its a legend. He doesn't need to have all the info

[lofty fern]

It's not literally written in the chapter, so that's why it's being called into question

[dense rapids]

Wdym Jarul said Ragnir protected it

[rich hornet]

It’s not speculation. we’ve seen Wano characters eat a fruit, use a power, and others regard it as sorcery. My point being there’s room for interpretation in jarul’s story. Either it being history that has been mythologized, or a cultural interpretation of fruit powers

[dense rapids]

Says the war god was the previous user

And Ratatoskr went into the hammer to protect the fruit

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm not saying the wano one is speculation.

Your speculation is that, the case which happened in wano also applies to elbaf. We don't know that, thats what you are thinking it can be

[lofty fern]

Cygneto I think is saying the god of war was turned into a DF? Not quite sure on that front. I think the context is clear, but hey anything can be called into question

[rich hornet]

I’m just leaving the door open, I don’t have a theory on it

[dense rapids]

Then the chapter Loki eats it Jarul said Ragnir had been protecting since its previous user died

[wraith mantle]

https://x.com/complexpop/status/2027579009958085100

she da real one piece

Complex Pop Culture (@ComplexPop)

Emily Rudd at the premiere of 'One PIece' season 2 ✨

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[lofty fern]

It never literally says that god of war used the fruit, that's what he's bringing up

[cosmic hamlet]

Do you think sun god nika existing in the past long back?

[elder kraken]

I dont see that it says that The God of war was a user of the DF

[dense rapids]

Jarul says that above

[pulsar path]

Beta casting I can't even lie. I wish they used her real hair tho

[dense rapids]

“He turned into a dragon”

“Ratatoskr protected the fruit”

[lofty fern]

Yes, but I don't think he was just died and his body turned into a fruit

[cosmic hamlet]

He turned into a dragon, doesn't mean he is a df user

[pulsar path]

Tbh

[dense rapids]

It says Ratatoskr protected the fruit right after that

[elder kraken]

For real bro

[pulsar path]

The way it's worded did rat not eat a fruit but wish his fruit into existence?

[elder kraken]

Maybe because HE (God of war) turned into a DF like Sun God Nika

[cosmic hamlet]

If thats what you are worried about, thats not what i meant. I meant god of war is related to nidogg df same as sun god nika related to luffy fruit

[wraith mantle]

My wife.

[pulsar path]

Couldn't it also be a gum gum situation

[cosmic hamlet]

Right, and he fought sun god nika and we have his df now

[dense rapids]

Yea the Niddhogg

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm talking about sun god nika df

[dense rapids]

Meaning when he died the fruit reincarnated and ragnir protected it

[tough dust]

when he fought the god of war. nika as a fruit didn't exist it was the nika himself lol

[cosmic hamlet]

Exactly, thats my point.

Both nika df and nidogg df doesn't exist.

Sun god nika himself was somehow turned to luffy df

Same way god of war himself was somehow turned to loki df

[lofty fern]

The problem with that is that of course the Nika fruit is related to the NIKA fruit. But the war of god is not the same as the Nidhogg. In this case I would say it's more like there was once a Nidhogg dragon mellinia ago and then eventually a df was created based on the legend of the Nidhog. The god of war, a completely separate being, ate the fruit of the Nidhogg, just like Luffy ate the fruit of Nika.

[rich hornet]

Ratatoskr is a literal guy, it has been alive in the castle guarding the nidhogg power this whole time, and recognizes Loki as the successor. Simplest answer is that his old master was a fruit user

[cosmic hamlet]

Are you even reading my messages?

[cosmic hamlet]

the war of god is not the same as the nidogg

Says where in manga? 😭

[warm sierra]

It kinda just depends on if you think fruits already existed before the concept of Nika turned into one

[rich hornet]

It hasn’t been established at least

[lofty fern]

Anyone who has the sun god fruit is called the "sun god/nika", so we don't know what era this particular sun god fought the god of war

[tough dust]

the niddog one is a bit weird since the god of war was shown as a normal giant form before transforming

not saying ur wrong but i will imagine its the dragon himself vs nika if that were to be the case

[dense rapids]

I get what he’s saying but I don’t think that’s the case when we’ve been told multiple times about “the previous user of the fruit”

All this chapter does is tell us the war god is the previous user

“The fruit hasn’t been eaten in centuries”

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes, then you can't use it as evidence to contradict my speculation.

Listen space, if you make a speculation and if someone wants to disprove it, you gotta bring what is in the manga to disprove it

[lofty fern]

In Jaruls conversation. He talks about Nidhogg and the god of war as clearly two different beings.

[cosmic hamlet]

He didn't even talk about nidogg. He just talked about nidogg df

[lofty fern]

He literally calls it the dragon-dragon fruit, he's not talking about Nika

[cosmic hamlet]

Like what powers the df gives

[warm sierra]

Occams Razor, how many elbaph dragons should there be

[cosmic hamlet]

Read my message again

Idk why i typed nika

[rich hornet]

Here’s what’s in the manga. A squirrel that’s been guarding a fruit that has said not to be eaten in a long time, and a legendary account of a giant who could turn into a dragon with a squirel companion. Put two and two together and the legendary giant had the nidhogg fruit

[elder kraken]

@cosmic hamlet You can take a break 😂

unless you can argue with a bunch of ppl at once

[dense rapids]

So you’re implying the name isn’t Niddhogg?

[cosmic hamlet]

Listen to my side then. This is my speculation.

I think the people in this picture are sun god nika and god of war nidhogg themself.

After they died they both somehow got reincarnated or whatever, basically we got dfs with their names and their powers. That df is what the squirrel is protecting.

I'm just saying god of war is same as sun god nika. They got their own df with their name after their death

[lofty fern]

The very form of the conversation says that those are two beings. He's talking about Nidhogg and the powers of Nidhogg, but then he starts talking about "in legend there was a god of war"... He's obviously not saying Nidhogg and the god of war are the same person

[cosmic hamlet]

Also @dense rapids

[rich hornet]

I understand and that may well be the case. I just think that would take some extra explaining

[warm sierra]

The thing with the Nidhogg fruit is like why does Jarul know about the size discrepancy thing unless the fruit was eaten by multiple different species.

But we also know that ratatoskr/ragnir has been extremely protective of the fruit and it hasnt been eaten in forever.

Which would kinda led you to belive that the god of war was the last worthy eater of the fruit.

[cosmic hamlet]

Finally you got my point. Now, I don't have much to go with because we just got the info of god of war this chapter. I maybe wrong but all I'm saying is that whatever is confirmed in manga is not contradicting my speculation which i mentioned

[wraith mantle]

We are mere chapters away from the most awaited Luffy and Imu confrontation

This shit is peak

[cosmic hamlet]

People been saying this from before flashback 😂

When imu arrived into gunko

[rich hornet]

But it is contradicting a little bit because as far as we know there are no users between Loki and this dude, but it’s been referred to as a fruit that has been eaten before and we know this thing about size being proportional to the user. So there as some holes that need filled

[cosmic hamlet]

It was not referred to as a fruit that has been eaten before though?

Unless you saying this is implied because of size explanation 🤔

[digital spear]

"We will be there soon I cant see Loki flashback being longer than 3 chapters"

Its crazy how this chapter basically was Loki and his fruit glazing

[rich hornet]

You’re right, that’s my mistake

[cosmic hamlet]

Did anyone even predict god valley in the flashback?

[digital spear]

No

Not before Rocks appeared

[cosmic hamlet]

Not even when we jumped to harald flashback?

[digital spear]

What

Didnt it start with Harald

[cosmic hamlet]

No?

It started with loki and jumped to harald

This is how its started

This is where we jumped to harald

[steel stirrup]

😍

[cosmic hamlet]

Bro wtf? Is it edited🤨

[rich hornet]

Even 2 chapters after the point where GV felt inevitable, it had a lot of doubters

[cosmic hamlet]

I guess the doubters thought we will get same as kaido flashback since harald wasn't in god valley?

[dense rapids]

“Oda isn’t gonna show god valley this early”

[rich hornet]

It’s tough to realize that we are actually in the ending

[cosmic hamlet]

Funny how we got nothing in kaido flashback eventhough he is in god valley, but we got everything in harald flashback eventhough he is not in god valley

[cosmic hamlet]

Brother, I'm sorry if i was a little rude. I was in work meeting on a saturday and got a little annoyed. I apologize 🐥

[cosmic hamlet]

Where is the left panel from?

[dense rapids]

Blockworld

[cosmic hamlet]

They look similar but have minor differences

[digital spear]

Oh but why would that influence if we get God Valley or not

[dense rapids]

They’re the same

Just different cultural depictions

[cosmic hamlet]

I guess start of the flashback and jumping to harald flashback is the same chapter so you are right

[dense rapids]

Those are the same drawings

The small man is carrying the flame on a elevator

[urban epoch]

Gotta love the sheer brutality of these new supreme king haki attacks ever since oda introduced immortals

[cosmic hamlet]

Also right about not having a link between harald and god valley when it started

[urban epoch]

Also Ragnir having the time of his life

[stone terrace]

Fr oda just wanted a free license to draw gore

[cosmic hamlet]

🤔

[urban epoch]

You gotta appreciate the littler sucker

[urban epoch]

Yeah lmao

[cosmic hamlet]

Ragnir is always in "yay" mode now. All i saw of the squirrel is that one yay pose 😭

[urban epoch]

Dude hungers for battle

[cosmic hamlet]

Makes sense since it is guarding the fruit for centuries without action

Before that it was with god of war

[digital spear]

Ragnir just happy to be here

[urban epoch]

Also seeing Imu pissed off might shift this whole thing lmao

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-happy-emoji-goofy-emoji-happy-face-happy-face-emoji-gif-2728078433471062380

Ragnir

[digital spear]

I wonder how Luffy and Loki will react to him

[urban epoch]

Since pretty much everything Imu did up to this point in Elbaph since they took over Gunkos body has been effortless

[cosmic hamlet]

So ragnir knows about imu? 🤔

[trim lily]

how does ragnir’s biology work

[urban epoch]

Idk

[trim lily]

do they not need to eat cause they’re originally a hammer

[urban epoch]

It's one piece

lol

[trim lily]

yeah but it’s fun to overthink it

[urban epoch]

Ah

I gotcha

[cosmic hamlet]

We still don't know if this is nika himself or joyboy with nika fruit right?

[pulsar path]

Like it's crazzy that Luffy is a giant riding on a giant dragon like it really is crazy. Dragons are starting to play such a huge role to the point I'm really starting to think we going to see golden balls some where

[cosmic hamlet]

Xdrake also has dragon fruit

[urban epoch]

They didn't play around when they said big dragon

Luffy literally looks peanuts to Loki

Also mfker Loki is a powerhouse

[runic dock]

And he’s already in big mode

[urban epoch]

Dude is a mini ancient weapon in dragon form

[urban epoch]

Yeah makes it even more ridiculous

[summer quail]

Wasn't he a dino

[urban epoch]

Dragon fruit but dino model

Oda logic

[nimble pewter]

hes a trex fruit holder

[urban epoch]

well

Get this

[summer quail]

Oh so Ryu translates to dragon

[urban epoch]

kaidos fruit is labelled as fish fish fruit

So yeah

[runic dock]

@urban epoch

[urban epoch]

yes

[urban epoch]

YO

[runic dock]

[urban epoch]

I DIDNT EVRN NOTICE

[runic dock]

Myths from the first age!!!

[urban epoch]

Good work Oda, you did your research.

I am gobsmacked

Fucking phenomenal

Also I managed for once to make a good prediction! Managed to call Lokis fruit and what's it based off of

[runic dock]

I don’t know if any op YouTuber will make that connection but it hit me like a brick yesterday

[runic dock]

Sick

[urban epoch]

I know bits n bobs about Norse Mythology

[urban epoch]

I don't remember last time I watched a video from a op YouTuber

[pulsar path]

Isn't it a Ryu Ryu in the terms of a dinosaur tho ? Are the kanji the same? I have no idea tbh but I think English does translate them differnt?

[urban epoch]

It is, Ryu translates to dragon

[dense rapids]

Goda

[runic dock]

It’s been less and less for me these days as well

[urban epoch]

Ryu Ryu no mi: Model Allosaurus

[pulsar path]

What was the kanji for lokis fruit than

[urban epoch]

I haven't noticed, but Jarul said Dragon Dragon fruit

Dunno the kanji

[summer quail]

Everyone have a dragon fruit accept a dude named dragon

[nimble pewter]

did they reveal lokis fruit? idk im behind a bit

[pulsar path]

Sorta

It feels like they left the model out

But no way to know

[urban epoch]

It's basically Nidhogg

[nimble pewter]

he might have one too, though thats unlikely. theories are he has the wind god fruit

[pulsar path]

Personally I just think that's what's elbaf knows dragons as

[warm sierra]

Ryuu is Dragon, Kouryuu is Dinosaur

[pulsar path]

In onepiece tho oda just uses Ryu for dinosaur models fruits

[urban epoch]

I mean Imu referred to him as Nidhogg

[summer quail]

Theories were that elbaf is ussop's arc

[urban epoch]

So it makes sense.

[warm sierra]

Yeah, I guess Kouryuu was too long

[runic dock]

It was said by characters through natural speech instead of a title box so far , what we hear is dragon dragon fruit , and elsewhere nidhogg, so its mythical dragon dragon fruit model nidhogg

[nimble pewter]

thyats the hope

[pulsar path]

Right but he also refers to rocks and Luffy as Davey Jones and joy boy

[urban epoch]

Not wrong either

[pulsar path]

So it could have just been his epthitet

[urban epoch]

You're right on that

I'll stick to Nidhogg till we get an actual model name

[pulsar path]

Like he could have been known as the giant nidhog of elbaf but really it was just the dragon dragon fruit

But like I do find it weird they left ... After dragon dragon

[runic dock]

It’s got mythical powers , so it’s a specific mythical model

[nimble pewter]

i just want to see how loki will fit on the ship. i hope his fruit allows him to become smaller

[runic dock]

You assume he will easily join

[nimble pewter]

i am hoping

[summer quail]

Maybe imu's fruit is bird bird no mi model:emu

[pulsar path]

Couldn't it just be the mythical zoan dragon dragon without a model tho? I mean I'm that is kinda weird but not inpossible

[nimble pewter]

i also dont want them to ditch the sunny

[pulsar path]

Also now makes since why they had kaido fake fake dragon fruit

[runic dock]

It’s kind of convoluted to think about for now but I hope bb obtains him thru a Davy back

[urban epoch]

Imu is pretty much depicted as some sort of devil or Satan

[pulsar path]

I mean his biggest form looked like a dragon

[cosmic hamlet]

Its dragon dragon fruit but the model is dinosaur

[nimble pewter]

why would you want that?

[urban epoch]

Ehm not exactly

[steel stirrup]

Still a bitch

[pulsar path]

It does it even breathes fire

[runic dock]

It’d be weird yeah , I’m fine with accepting nidhogg for now since that’s what we heard , “god of war “ sounds more like a title than that

[summer quail]

Just a lily fan girl imo

[runic dock]

To make bb a much more interesting final hurdle , and makes things more complicated and difficult for good guys , loki joining good guys is game on easy mode

[cosmic hamlet]

For mythical zoan, the base name has little to no importance. The model is the important part

[stone terrace]

God of wars name is probably elbaf

[urban epoch]

The fire part isn't really a hint tbh, if for example it's a mythical zoan fruit those fuckers have all sorts of weird powers

[pulsar path]

Well nika and joy boy both held multiple titles so the god i mod liberation or god of destruction ,

[nimble pewter]

he suffered all of his life. i hope he can find his home with the strawhats

[urban epoch]

Kaido was the best example of what a mythical zoan is capable of

[cosmic hamlet]

I think god of war is a title like sun god. He should have a name

[urban epoch]

And now you got luffy basically bringing his imagination into reality

[runic dock]

Yeah maybe loki will end up having more titles idk lol but I hope we get ragnirs fruit name too!

[urban epoch]

But that's me reaching but point still stands

Don't think Imu has a sort of dragon

[runic dock]

He just wants to fuck up some CDs, and bb could help with that

[urban epoch]

I'm more towards some sort of literal devil

[cosmic hamlet]

🤔

[nimble pewter]

as if luffy aint doing that already. he punched a cd

[pulsar path]

Okay I actually think Ragnir wished the hammer fruit into exostance like vegapunk talk about I could be wrong but wtf what was the hammer before it was fruit or before he ate it? Could the god of war had two fruits ?

[cosmic hamlet]

This is in little garden right?

The more i see the more i feel like god of war is from sun god nika generation and not Void century

[runic dock]

Yeah it’s too far off for me to theorize so concretely , I’m still open to many other possibilities but leaning toward that one

[pulsar path]

Na the model is a dinosaur but they ha specific names not just dinosaur. I may be misunderstanding what your saying tho

[urban epoch]

I can't wrap my head around the Ice Powers from Ragnir

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm saying the base name of the fruit is dragon but the model is related to dinosaur

[runic dock]

It’s really interesting how it was two separate things , I’m willing to bet the devil fruit tree was actively in existence around this time , making fruits

[cosmic hamlet]

We are talking about xdrake fruit right?

[pulsar path]

Yeah but they created the Celtrial dragons. Dragons..that's not a coincidence. Also in most of history dragons are related to Satan or the devil

Dragons and Satan are almost synonymous in some areas

[pulsar path]

Oh yeah true

[runic dock]

I think ratatoskr eventually died and it’s “essence” or”will” was transferred into a df and that df was merged with the object that is the hammer

[cosmic hamlet]

And we have luffy father naming himself as dragon 🐥

[summer quail]

Hey can loki fly in his dragon form

[runic dock]

Yeah

[pulsar path]

It's very confused lol like wtf that's why I'm thinking what ever way devil fruits are created I almost think these guys may not have ate one orbat the very least there dream were powerful enough to bear fruit if it was infact from a tree! I have feeling they were almost prior to devil fruits in some way

[urban epoch]

Illmatic

[stone terrace]

Enel and kuzan mogged

[summer quail]

They should just take loki in crew no need for sunny then he would be much faster

[stone terrace]

Logias need awakening so bad rn

[runic dock]

Yeah like it was an ice squirrel before even becoming a fruit ..hmmm

[stone terrace]

😭

[pulsar path]

Well even crazy to think Garp named his son dragon for what ever reason I really wonder why since he hates the CD so much maybe it was to spite them

[urban epoch]

Could you point me to the detail that makes you think and say that Imu looks like a dragon

[nimble pewter]

we saw a fruit turn into a devil fruit on punk hazard

[balmy lava]

whats up with the elbows?

[urban epoch]

In what way shape or form is this related to a dragon

[runic dock]

Yeah I know

But we haven’t seen a living thing turn into a df lol

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kaibyou-kamaitachi-nekomata-yo-kai-watch-forever-friends-gif-14379400542887877878

[runic dock]

Like when it wasn’t a df before

[summer quail]

Oh you see here imu have eyes dragons also have eyes

[pulsar path]

Damn these characters have too many powers 😭🤣 it's going to be fun to see oda like explain all this shit cus honestly im so confused but that also means it's going to be some interesting ass oda writing

[pulsar path]

Who's that pokemon?

[warm sierra]

They dont know my goat Kaibyou Kamaitachi

[pulsar path]

Where is the pic of it shooting fire

[stone terrace]

Pikachu

[cosmic hamlet]

We don't know if he spite with CD when dragon was born. He was probably very very young when dragon was born. Also he might not have named him

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty sure garp has never liked CDs

[nimble pewter]

cds are not the only dragons. millenial dragons exist too. and in asia, people are usually named as a blessing, so maybe oda wanted to make dragon live long like a millenial dragon

[summer quail]

Weren't they filler

[urban epoch]

Idk, try to find it, you presented the idea that Imu is a dragon, not me

[nimble pewter]

they are mentioned in the mainstream too

[stone terrace]

Dragon is katakana im pretty sure

Like do ra gon

[pulsar path]

No reason to get saucy bro I'm literally looking at can't find that specific panel

[stone terrace]

And celestial dragons are tenryubiito

[cosmic hamlet]

When dragon was born, he probably didn't even know cd existed 🤨

[pulsar path]

He did

[cosmic hamlet]

How you know 🤔

[pulsar path]

Cus I'm oda

[urban epoch]

Dunno how I'm being saucy

[cosmic hamlet]

Oda is not reliable

[pulsar path]

Trueb

[urban epoch]

I'm just tellin ya to back up your idea lol

[nimble pewter]

everyone knows cds exist lol. maybe 5 elders are not known much and imu is not known at all

[balmy lava]

Elbaf might have turned into a dragon, but that might not have been a devil fruit ability. Some kind of 1st world stuff.

[pulsar path]

I think the elders are actually pretty well know idk about how they look. But I do think most nations knows about CDs

[pulsar path]

Dead ass tho it seems that the CD have had a close relationship with Goya island and that is where garp grew up

[urban epoch]

Majority of the world knows about CDs and Elders

[nimble pewter]

yeah, cds are like governmets now. they even take taxes

[urban epoch]

But probably not everyone knows what the five elders actually look like

[cosmic hamlet]

I see, didn't even know about goya island

[urban epoch]

Cause they don't really come down to the surface

[nimble pewter]

elders are not that well known

only strong people know about them(pirate and marines and all)

[balmy lava]

devil fruit powers we learned are connected to DNA manipulator as part of it. It makes sense in the old world, you wouldnt need to eat a fruit to modify yourself.

[summer quail]

I don't think that would make sense why would oda ruin a good power system like that

[balmy lava]

What do you mean?

technology in the first world may have been different then that developed in later eras

[summer quail]

Well devil fruits came because of dreams of people or SMTH like that so there was no tech that's why people dreamed about that

[balmy lava]

we dont know that is how devil fruits were made.

Oda in one piece is basically saying science can explain it. We see labortories in ancient Elbaf.

Even the gods are not really Gods

[summer quail]

Wasn't it said that people dreamed to be free and to have power that's why fruits came to existence

I think vegapunk said that

[steel stirrup]

Mhm

[balmy lava]

no, Vegapunk said he didnt know, but if he had to guess that is what he would say

He said he didnt have enough knowledge of ancient technology to explain most things of the past

[steel stirrup]

Vegapunk made a guess but as smart as he is most consider him to be the most correct

[balmy lava]

why he couldnt figure out how to even get Emet to boot up

[summer quail]

I don't remember correctly maybe I am wrong haven't touched manga in 4 months

[balmy lava]

Vegapunk is probably 5% of the way there, agreed. That would put him ahead of most of the world.

but if zunesha, nika and elbaf were all in a sense embued with advanced technology, it might even explain Imu.

[pulsar path]

My whole theory on devil fruits is if it was a mythical than the fruit in question as captured and made into a fruit than to be used by an individual hence why they have wills and I think they used this same method to turn animals into zoan fruits by capturing and making them into a fruit. Possibly what the op op fruit truly does if you use the eternal life power and all the other devil fruits both paramecia and logia are all man made but by dreamers who wanted to see the powers. I also have a feeling that maybe paramecia and logia were created to fight against the mythical zoan and zoans

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[pulsar path]

It was good

It's never enough

But that might be my onepiece greeeeeed

[balmy lava]

devil fruits might be a way to have your will passed on

even a god or mythical being cant live forever

If your essense gets turned into a devil fruit, at least part of your will and power lasts forever.

[dense rapids]

If the orb with 8 spheres is the ancient kingdom symbol

Then the symbol of the WG may be based on whatever kingdom bore this symbol

It’s like a cross with a orb in the middle

[pulsar path]

I kinda have a feeling mythical live for ever but I mean I have no proof or context lol but I feel like mythical are what all the other fruits are made from I mean its possible logia powers were extracted from the. Just from us seeing how variant abilitts of mythical are I do think mythical were captured against there will and turned into devil fruits but with that said I could also see some beings willingly doing it to preserve there life heck maybye mythical could be killed but they won't die form old age so by turning into a. Fruit you can live for ever ?

[balmy lava]

It works kind of like an Arc too. Even though the world might be going to hell, you can put yourself into effectively a tree/fruit, and spring forth for thousands of years.

[pulsar path]

Yeah exactly

[balmy lava]

Perhaps animals and dinosaurs went through this, because incase they go extinct, you still have a dinosaur genetics in a fruit forever.

[pulsar path]

But idj I like the idea of devil fruits being Anciant onepiece poke balls too lol

[pulsar path]

And tbh shirhoshi passing down genes seems so specific that idk if it could be anything but science

Meaning DNA and Dan editing was probably a huge part of the AK

[balmy lava]

Loki has dragon eyes, which means he is likely a decendent of the first dragon.

which is why elbaf wanted only ancient giants to mingle in for royalty. It was to preserve the ability to gain Ragnirs loyalty down teh road.

[pulsar path]

Hmmm I mean yeah that's very possible

[balmy lava]

Imu uses the cross of the first world. His power is likely similar too or predating the devil fruits.

But no way would Imu want to be turned into a fruit. He found some other means to stay immortal and cheat death.

There is no 'Imu' fruit.

[lofty fern]

It could also be borrowed Elbaph clothing and symbology,. Similar to how Luffy is also wearing Elbaph clothes now. Remember that Emeth's outfit in the flashback also appeared to be Elbaphian

[dense rapids]

Yea I think the only other place we see that symbol is on the Elbaph ships

[lofty fern]

They have various different shields on their ships.

[grand flower]

Hm?

[lofty fern]

What hm?

[cosmic hamlet]

Did you see my last message 🧐

[grand flower]

What do you mean by the Emet part?

[prisma yacht]

Hm.

[lofty fern]

When we see Emeth in the flashback with Joyboy, he's wearing clothes, and his clothes look pretty Elbaphian in aesthetic.

[grand flower]

Mmhmm

[lofty fern]

let me go back

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochi-mochi-peach-cat-gif-cat-mochi-mochi-peach-cat-its-gif-2251612597025469927

[cosmic hamlet]

🐥

[lofty fern]

I've made similar type arguments on such technicalities so I can see where you were coming from. I'd honestly support the idea if the way the whole scene was framed was different.

[balmy lava]

Emeth might have been a little bit like Toki. He was a robot, that thought he was an elbaf giant, and wanted to go to elbaf at some point more than anything.

[dense rapids]

Or what if he’s like Ratatoskr

Someone died and went into the suit of armor

Tho I think he operates off the endless energy

[balmy lava]

that makes sense too.

[dense rapids]

So wouldn’t be the same

Isn’t Emet the word for golem

[grand flower]

Collun had a toy of Emet

That’s why I wanted to know what heart Queen meant

[dense rapids]

Those are objects that souls are placed into to become animate

[lofty fern]

That's horrifyingly sad

[steel stirrup]

Umm lemme look it up

[balmy lava]

yeah, I think we are entering the point in one piece where we learn about all thing things the ancients could do that were non-devil fruit related.

[lofty fern]

It can be, but it can also just be a name. Like someone named Emmett.

[dense rapids]

No not the word for golem

It’s what’s written on golems foreheads

[balmy lava]

devil fruits are sort of like the poneglyphs, where they just have sustained for centuries

[dense rapids]

Knew it was something like that

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah

[steel stirrup]

Google says Emeth is a Hebrew word for "truth, faithfulness, reliability, or firmness"

[dense rapids]

But yea basically golems are inanimate objects who get amplified with a soul to become animate

[steel stirrup]

Mhm

[dense rapids]

If Ratatoskr soul went into Ragnir

[balmy lava]

Elbaph and Nika might have undergone similar modifications that sky people did to become lunarians

[dense rapids]

Then maybe someone’s soul went into emet

Like we saw Collun with the emet toy

Someone’s soul could’ve gone inside the toy to make it live

[steel stirrup]

Yea i dont think that was a coincidence or accident

[lofty fern]

Yeah, it's just a name. It can be a first or last name of Hebrew or Germanic origin meaning "whole" or "truth"

[balmy lava]

we had Kuma and Emet have similar situations

[unique lagoon]

how literally are we suppose to take this legend anyway

i feel like most people are doing 1 to 1 here

[steel stirrup]

Which legend

[dense rapids]

To awaken a golem you write “Emet” across its forehead

[unique lagoon]

the whole nika and god of war guy panel

[lofty fern]

I'm wondering if that's just a generic toy that Oda just made like an easter egg. Tekking brought up that Wapol made similar toys

[unique lagoon]

aint there a good chance for these legends thats been pass down to not be 100% accurate

and if that legend is from first world then thats a long ass time for the details to change

[torpid cosmos]

Dragon is man marked with burn scar

[lofty fern]

Yes but not every use of the word Emeth is not always a reference to that

[unique lagoon]

we already seen devilfruits being fused with weapons
why cant that be similar to what happened with ragnir

[steel stirrup]

I doubt everything is 100% accurate. Especially since Oda loves to do that.

[lofty fern]

That was the first idea

[torpid cosmos]

Than it will be jack d sparrow for sure

[lofty fern]

The problem is that Ratatoskr wasn't a fruit but a living being. It wasn't a fruit. He was his own thing.

[unique lagoon]

yeah im not buying the dragon hiding the stone
i think the guy is literally lost in the revolution sauce

[steel stirrup]

I know Lafittes rumors were just rumors but he thinks the MMBF is a WG affiliate

[unique lagoon]

maybe people just using that as an excuse for dragon and luffy to finally meet and makes sense

[slender storm]

Since mythical zoans have a will of their own they might be able transfer themselves to different objects if they want to

[lofty fern]

It's more so because of his powers, connection to secrets and his ship

[unique lagoon]

well yeah reason i used the word similar

someone did some science to put the soul of the animal inside the weapon

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[unique lagoon]

i will still put the advance technology here as a good possibility
people just pref magic

[lofty fern]

A will of their own isn't the same thing as the fact that it was once a living thing that bound its spirit to an object. It would be like if Sanji died and then bound his spirit to his cutting knife. He didn't turn into a fruit.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/image-gif-1432406106788383548

[unique lagoon]

if its that obv wont blackbeard already know it was dragon
surely with his intel he already heard of dragon blowing people with strong gust of wind and the color of his ship

[lofty fern]

I think of it more similar to what we saw with the klaublatermen. Or to how homies are made, but without a devil fruit. How objects gain a soul.

[slender storm]

ragnir was probably a zoan when he was w the god of war

[balmy lava]

I do think devil fruits, at least zoans, were made with the basis of some kind of reality

the soul or whatever

[lofty fern]

We have an outside perspective so we can put things together, BB doesn't know everything we know. A lot of things BB doesn't actually know, things just fall into his lap

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ihykeon-math-spongebob-fish-sponge-plus-star-equals-clam-gif-24207116

[steel stirrup]

Lmaooooo

[lofty fern]

He was not. Ragnir and Ratatoskr were two different things. We can even see them as separate in the picture.

[unique lagoon]

aint that just part of the yonko thing
big mom has one of the best intel gathering out there
surely they knew some stuff about dragon

[steel stirrup]

Mhm

Big Mom had a crazy intel network

I'm sure Lafitte knows what hes talking about tho

[unique lagoon]

my strongest bet is it would be someone WB had contact with
former rocks former roger pirate

thats the best clue we have
WB took over FMI back then

[steel stirrup]

Lafittes rumors say hes affiliated with the WG and I believe it

[lofty fern]

BM did, but even she missed things. Like she had no reach in Elbaph at all. Also, not every Yonko has a good network. Luffy's is basically nonexistant. Buggy's is minimal. BB's is there, but we've seen him not know things, even basic things.

[unique lagoon]

you telling me its difficult for a yonko to get info on dragon blowing people with wind saving luffy from the marines

he was even warlord wont that give him extra intel

[steel stirrup]

Sounds like it

[steel stirrup]

Most definitely even if its just intel he needs to better work with the WG

Not anymore but at the time

[unique lagoon]

trust in oldman whitebeard
Guy tried helping rogers man to reach laughtale

[lofty fern]

Dragon was there in secret, also Dragon is one of the most secretive people in the series. 30 years and people didn't even know his last name or that he was related to one of the most famous heroes on the planet

[unique lagoon]

but smoker recognized dragon surely he reported that

and we are only talking about the onscreen stuff
what about all the other instance dragon was encountered

[lofty fern]

Sure, but he might have not made the connection between him and storm, or they could have just dismissed him. It was the East Blue, where people rarely care about what's happening, and they did constantly dismiss what Smoker was saying at the time.

[unique lagoon]

going back dint the BBP also theorizing on who it could be

[lofty fern]

Yeah, they gave us all the info we currently know at the moment

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[unique lagoon]

which was hearsay

[lofty fern]

Then again, maybe this is the reason BB is so interested in the Revs?

[unique lagoon]

ive seen some people believe shiryus theory that its a gov man

tbh i cant tell if both theories are just bullshit from oda
or half truths

[opal pivot]

Wants dragon's fruit?

From what we saw at God valley, dragon probably has very little insider info

[plush inlet]

wait isn't dragon the guy with the flame scar ?

[opal pivot]

He has a tattoo on his face?

[plush inlet]

would make sense, his tatoo looks like a burn mark, and would make sense the revolutionnary hold at least one road poneglyph so they can prevent anyone else to get to laught tale

[plush inlet]

people think its a tattoo but it could be a burning scar

[trim lily]

bit of a strange shape for a burn scar

[plush inlet]

usually tatoos in one piece as a know symbol or an allegiance, dragon's tattoo doesn't represetn anything

[trim lily]

you would also assume people would recognize the guy as dragon rather than another nickname

[brittle basin]

for the love of god pin and listen to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_R5X7HAooA

[plush inlet]

yeah idk maybe like some of the iron thing you sue to mark cattle

[opal pivot]

A very intentional shape

[plush inlet]

burning mark don't have symbolism, while tattoos have, only burn mark with a meaning is the slave one

and the only "tattoo" without any meaning is dragon's one

[opal pivot]

Very odd thing to do after quitting the Marines

Maybe Kuzan will get one too?

They can be twins

[plush inlet]

huh

like maybe dragon got that burning mark after deserting the marines

after getting out of prison

given he allegedly controls weather, that could work with the storm being around him

like i doubt they would let go the guy that lost garling's son, killed a tenryubio, deserted and went against orders without any punishment

oh but he didn't have that mark when ohara happened so it couldn't have been when he was in the marines

so i guess in a fight or idk

[sacred sail]

I bet when we get Dragon’s full backstory and probably get some more reveals there the tattoo’s not gonna get mentioned until after and he’ll just say “Oh yeah I thought it looked cool”

[hazy turret]

Wouldn’t trade it for the world

[grand flower]

Let em know rokayamigo

[cosmic hamlet]

👀

[digital spear]

Fats???

[dapper tree]

I miss fats

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/iamosix2/status/2027793705290125773/photo/1

OSIX /COOMS OPEN! (@iamosix2)

Nidhogg and nika ...

#ONEPIECE1175 || #حرق_ون_بيس

X · Feb 28, 2026, 5:11 PM

[dapper tree]

[brittle basin]

father has abandoned his children

[dapper tree]

Confirmed Sanji would low diff him

[dapper tree]

he'll be back after he gets his gallon of milk

[cosmic hamlet]

I will start a campaign to become the new owner

🐥

[dapper tree]

You are like meek, not allowed

[cosmic hamlet]

I'm being compared to meek? Wtf

[digital spear]

Meekneto

[hot cairn]

Loki doesn’t follow the number theory Pasta, did you notice

[digital spear]

Ni = 2
Gu = 9

[warm sierra]

NWP co captain scenario seems the most likely to me

[dapper tree]

I am on record for hating and thinking the number theory is dumb

So that means nothing to me

[digital spear]

Oda betrayed the number theory anyway since he MURDERED the Gomu Gomu no mi

Saddest death in One Piece tbh

[dapper tree]

I wsa happy back then about that

[digital spear]

Every "Gomu Gomu" Luffy said is a lie

Luffy LIED to us

Oda LIED to us

[amber lark]

😢

[prisma yacht]

Number theory is very much alive

[quiet ice]

It was a victory for those pure of heart

[amber lark]

You just want to watch the world burn

[prisma yacht]

lo= 6
ki= 7

[warm sierra]

Luffy going Hito Hito no Bazooka would be very funny tbh

[digital spear]

We cannot take this silently. We need to wage war

[amber lark]

hii froseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!

[digital spear]

So glue

[prisma yacht]

hiii mirio

wsg

[amber lark]

[dapper tree]

against who?

not me right

[amber lark]

Seeking solace, tell me that Luffy and Oda aren't lying to us 😢

[digital spear]

Not if you didnt write One Piece

[formal wagon]

against the vira falsers

[dapper tree]

luffy can't lie and oda speaks only in lies

[ember cairn]

imagine if a new character joined luffys krue

crew*

[muted hedge]

https://x.com/b_sarimbo/status/2027802437046640875/photo/1

Ｐｈａｎｔｏｍ (@b_sarimbo)

Elbaf monster trio

#ONEPIECE1175 #ONEPIECE

X · Feb 28, 2026, 5:45 PM

[dapper tree]

loki

[amber lark]

goat

[warm sierra]

Where is ussop?

[hot cairn]

the number theory sucks yes

[amber lark]

Kaido could not surpass him

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/soldiers-military-marching-guns-gif-17759580

us marching to defend Vira

[ember cairn]

luffy was lucky that he awakened he DF at that time if not then ye he’s done

[digital spear]

Theory: Luffys Monster Trio will be 3 Dragons (Loki, Kaido and Dragon)

They will all join the crew

[hot cairn]

Loki’s so cool man

[ember cairn]

[muted hedge]

it's kinda crazy that Loki's fruit doesn't even seem to be awakened

like, what would an awakened version even be?

[ember cairn]

nah hesr me out what if brook awakens his DF

[digital spear]

Hybrid form

[ember cairn]

cause he did disrespect Big mom

[prisma yacht]

How could you trust them🥀

[digital spear]

Every strawhat will awaken their fruits except Luffy Robin Chopper and Brook

[muted hedge]

can't wait to see his hybrid form, though i still think it won't be awakened
as we didn't see the cloud necklace on him

[digital spear]

Sometimes we dont see it on zoan users but then see it in their hybrid

[muted hedge]

by the way his hybrid form will probably look a lot like the concept art for Kaido's hybrid form

[warm sierra]

The only time we saw his hybrid form was seconds after he ate the fruit how would it be awakened

[ember cairn]

looks like hybrid kadio

[digital spear]

Nobody said that

[muted hedge]

oh right

[warm sierra]

?

[stone terrace]

That was a better form

[muted hedge]

ooh here's a direct comparison

the proportions almost look identical

[unkempt sable]

I wonder if we’ll see a hybrid Loki soon

[muted hedge]

probably

[latent hamlet]

Probably if he decides to do a 1v1 fight

[digital spear]

Whenever he starts fighting Imu I guess

[latent hamlet]

Rn he's just causing giant havoc

[muted hedge]

i'd love to see Loki with just a pair of wings on his back
sort of halfway transformed into his hybrid state

maybe just the claws and a giant pair of wings

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[digital spear]

I like how Oda instantly said the dragon is black

I wonder if people still tattooed it in another color

[muted hedge]

i think he has been playing a lot of Monster Hunter lately

[stone terrace]

Learning from the ifrit jambe incident

[dense haven]

no rainbow dragon 🥀

[muted hedge]

i like this color scheme, black with a shade of purple and burning orange eyes

[digital spear]

I mean he immediately said Luffys Nika form is white too but people still made a mistake...

[slender storm]

Since bb has 2 devil fruits does that mean sea stone kills him if it touches his skin

[digital spear]

Yeah the stomach should be purple

[muted hedge]

seeing it bellow with the purple electricity too

[digital spear]

Next chapter colorspread imagine we already get the dragon in colors.

[muted hedge]

i definitely think so

[dense haven]

oda locked in

[muted hedge]

if not the dragon, we'll get at least get to see Loki's real eyes color

[dense haven]

I was confident he was gonna ruin loki somehow

[warm sierra]

what if they tattoed Nika and not Joyboy

[muted hedge]

a lot of people were disappointed at first, lol

[dense haven]

you want to see his ugly face?

[muted hedge]

i want to see his eyes

[dense haven]

disappointed with what

[digital spear]

Idk why Nika would be yellow tho

[dense haven]

you alreadty saw it

its ugly as shit

[muted hedge]

people wanted this

[digital spear]

If not on the colorspread I hope he is on the Volume 115 or 116 cover

[muted hedge]

he looks cool as fuck with them if you ask me

[clever idol]

Purple hair is better

[strong wadi]

Forever iconic

[clever idol]

LMAOOOO

[digital spear]

[warm sierra]

luffy facepalming adds to it

[digital spear]

Its like he laughs about it himself

[muted hedge]

i wonder if they got rid of that tattoo

or if they embrace it

[slender storm]

Not as bad as the yamato being a straw hat tattoo

Lemme see if i can find it

[digital spear]

I feel like you could change it to white but idk

[dense haven]

how

[warm sierra]

you can laser remove ink no?

[slender storm]

https://preview.redd.it/one-piece-tattoo-straw-hat-crew-v0-zc5hzliktz491.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=58af2ebb00925c906bb072ef1a47ed295154f320

[dense haven]

yea but that will remove everything

[muted hedge]

not going to lie, i kinda want to tattoo the Nika sillhouette

[stone terrace]

The yamato thing is an L but you can delulu cope yourself into it being true

Theres no recourse for colored g5

[thick mango]

It seems like a bad idea to snap judgement get a tattoo on shaky info but whatever I'm not telling people what to do

[strong wadi]

I mean it'll be true in a few years, that person with that tattoo just has diamond hands

[thick mango]

I've seen tattoos of like world series or superbowl champ of the team that lost cause they didn't wait to see how the game actually went that's rough

[strong wadi]

Getting 1:1 is kinda wack anyway so it's deserved (I bet someone here like Earl has 1:1 panel tattoo )

[muted hedge]

imagine if the eye isn't this color

[latent hamlet]

U could say they join later

Considering final war, not impossible

But ye colored g5 is like

We got official colors lol

[warm sierra]

Imo any One Piece tattoo is cringe unless you cant tell its One Piece

[thick mango]

I could never get a tattoo I don't trust myself not to change my mind in 6 weeks

[muted hedge]

i wonder how many got Rocks tattoos based on fan colorings

[maiden charm]

I think that goes for any anime tattoo tbr

[stone terrace]

Very strange to get a tattoo for a character thats existed for maybe a year

Like loki couldve been revealed to have been a SA or something

[digital spear]

2 chapters into Thriller Bark. This Absalom guy seems cool, I got a tattoo of him

[hot cairn]

than the one we got? Nah no way, not a fan of the long neck

[stone terrace]

Long neck is peak

[strong wadi]

Dw you can just activate this devil fruit and the tattoo will disappear

[stone terrace]

Kaidos hybrid is alright

[hot cairn]

he said it the very next chapter

[maiden charm]

I agree

[hot cairn]

with the df design?

[latent hamlet]

"Guys this Lucci guy is so cool. So stoic! He has to be a secret ally!"

Lucci: I joined the government because they cant jail me for mass murder

[digital spear]

Yeah like if I was such a One Piece fan that I wanted to get a tattoo of the new form THAT fast then Id probably also get that information and not have the hair yellow lol

[maiden charm]

"This Cesar guy is helping sick kids? What a swell guy"

[muted hedge]

just leave it colorless until the colors are revealed, easy

or just make it black and white

[strong wadi]

this would just be a reading comprehension problem. Everyone from the get-go knew this man would be evil

doesnt matter what any character says

[hot cairn]

I agree

[latent hamlet]

Loki tattoos gonna be real awkward when he starts blowing up shit for real

[dapper tree]

people also just wanted ceaser to join the crew

[latent hamlet]

"I said I was gonna destroy the world"
"U nuked alabasta"
"Fuck em"

[dapper tree]

plenty of people probs have a tatoo of him

[iron oriole]

i think this kills the whole time shenanigans happening on Elbaf theory

[dapper tree]

they deserved it

[hot cairn]

The yellow hair was ugly anyway, I’m glad it’s white

[strong wadi]

This was killed ages ago 😭

[muted hedge]

insane that Imu is still physically in Marijoa, after exerting so much haki on Elbaph lol

[latent hamlet]

Its what they deserve for being on sand

[dapper tree]

never should have existed

[dapper tree]

not even all that much

[digital spear]

wdym? Because Mariejois isnt actually on fire?

[iron oriole]

yeah, i was thinking that during the possession their body at Marijoa is like a statis type of situation etc

[hot cairn]

never should’ve even being a thing, this also kills the BB/Dragon attacking Marijois thing which never made any sense as well

[muted hedge]

Imu being interested in Nidhogg is interesting though, probably adds a lot to the idea that Loki will be Domi Reversed

[muted hedge]

yeah

[muted hedge]

true, it's probably only like 5% of Imu's haki outage

[iron oriole]

nah the live reaction to seeing Nidhogg fruit, would feel all kinds of fucked up tbh to feel two different speeds? of time considering Imu is seemingly both on Elbaf & in Marijoa consciously, like they're playing split screen

[muted hedge]

also looks like Shamrock already cleaned up whatever was going on in Marijoa

i guess he really was a benefit

[dapper tree]

common revo L

[iron oriole]

if the issue on Marijoa was CD infighting i'm gonna feel so happy

[stone terrace]

Either that or imu massively overreacted

[hot cairn]

It was probably the celestial dragons going crazy over no food

It never made any sense that it was someone attacking Marijois

[digital spear]

Oh thats complicated to think about but we also got Imu talking from outside to inside Elbaf before or people calling each other in general so either this was never going to work or the outsiders also get affected by the hyperbolic time chamber

[muted hedge]

sure, though i think there are cooler alternatives
but maybe that's just because i am a bit biased for Shamrock

[dapper tree]

yeah, who would do that

[latent hamlet]

Usually in fiction, body/mind control of others tends to distract them from controlling their main body too

[iron oriole]

yeah its a whole can of worms, i think the telepathy is fine because Imu wasn't technically on Elbaf at the time

[digital spear]

but yeah the time chamber theory doesnt make sense unless youre saying it only happens in Elbafs Skyworld and Louis Arnote was too dumb to climb down the tree

you have Gaban aging normally and all that

[muted hedge]

maybe Louise Arnot only stayed in the underworld

[iron oriole]

yeah i wasn't a fan of the time shit so i'm glad that this kills it

[dapper tree]

time stuff is never a good idea

[digital spear]

Underworld = time moves faster
Sun World = normal time
Sky World = time moves slower

[dapper tree]

and oda knows this

[iron oriole]

true

[digital spear]

Thats why hes gonna do it

[dapper tree]

He isn't

[muted hedge]

i don't think the time moves differently, i just think that Louise Arnot only experienced the underworld, which is the most dangerous part of Elbaph

[iron oriole]

a hyperbolic time chamber doesn't work for OP anyway

[digital spear]

Oda isnt a COWARD

[iron oriole]

Luffy just gets as strong as he needs to when he needs to

[hot cairn]

I was so scared when I was binge reading and Oda introduced a time travel thing in Wano

[urban lodge]

How has that theory not died yet

[hot cairn]

but thankfully it only makes you foward

[urban lodge]

Arguably the worst theory of all time

[iron oriole]

Oda handled Toki well