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muted hedge
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yeah, he has the same aspiration but goes at it a completely different way

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Cross Guilds has the potential, if we get more of them
but yeah, Luffy is very similair weirdly enough

pulsar path
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BB is like tainted to an evil degree where yeah rocks is crooked he kinda finds peace it seems in iris and teach and maybe even some of his crew

muted hedge
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Luffy is like Xebec and Roger in one, lol

pulsar path
tidal ice
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You know, I wasn't ready to wake up and read that giraffe status of yours

muted hedge
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the main thing which makes Cross Guilds so similair is just because they've got big names on their crew

pulsar path
pulsar path
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He's the greatest all in one!

muted hedge
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like, i don't think that Xebec wanted to be king of the world just to rule it with chaos

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like Blackbeard plans to do

pulsar path
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Same

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Or at the very least let freedom reign

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Tho who knows maybe when we meet Davey it will be more sinister

muted hedge
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i think that Xebec would've been a pretty decent king all things considered

pulsar path
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I think so too

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Better than Imu at least lol

muted hedge
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well that's not a hard line to cross, lol

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though i do think that Blackbeard would be as bad if not worse than Imu

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simply because Blackbeard is a lot more, chaotic and unexpected

cyan lotus
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i just finished the movies and was wondering who is canon? i know uta and shiki is but is zephyr and gild tesoro?

muted hedge
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Imu still has a relative patience, though that's probably most likely because of the mother flames requirement

muted hedge
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also, i think that Blackbeard would rule it with an iron fist more so than Imu
he wouldn't hide in the shadows of the elders for example, he'd pronounce himself as the king and want people to view him as that, making him a much more feared individual on the larger masses

pulsar path
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I think BB will just bring chaos to the world tbh let it go to destruction idk how he would rule or if he would even have the strength too

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That's what I'm confused like after you take over the world government unless you gain some sort of power it's probably not going to be as strong as it was before

muted hedge
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Blackbeard would shape the world as he sees, doesn't matter what people do as long as it's not against him

pulsar path
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He probably would just keep the heavily tribute

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Heavenly

muted hedge
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Blackbeard would probably demand more than just a tribute

pulsar path
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Or idk maybe he just wants Imu to burn and suffer

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What else would he even want after taking imus place

muted hedge
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i imagine that Xebec would be ashamed of the path that Blackbeard is going in order to accomplish his dream

muted hedge
cyan lotus
# pulsar path No not at all sadly

but could that change in the future? or is it 100% not canon? bcoz could zephyrs be somehow involved in akainus backstory or someone else’s?

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pulsar path
cyan lotus
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but like backstory idk

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just wondering lol it’s confusing haha

pulsar path
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I think shki was always in rocks crew and he was always canon

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Or at the very least he was always canon

muted hedge
pulsar path
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Ed war took place

muted hedge
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like Blackbeard is playing around the devil when he is making these plans with allying himself with the World Government, even if it's for a ploy

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if you get too close you'll get burned

pulsar path
pulsar path
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Like maybe rocks screwed up cus he thought he could kill Imu in one shot but than he was discovered there was no way Imu or the wg would ever let him join or anything like it

muted hedge
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Eris mentioned that Xebec was forced to take on Imu even if he wasn't ready, so yeah
the Yami might be what turns the tables

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i assume that the fruits that Xebec was talking about were the Yami and whatever fruit Loki has

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either that or he meant the Nika fruit, though i find that hard to believe as he didn't know of Nika when Loki talked to him

tranquil blade
muted hedge
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although Oda could just say that Xebec was refering to the fruit of Joyboy

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as he knew of Joyboy and Davy Jones

grand flower
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so imu can't hurt teach

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but teach can hurt imu

muted hedge
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that would make sense, though i find their powers being vastly different so far

grand flower
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I bet Yami's darkness can "wash" off the Abyss stuff

grand flower
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Imu has the Abyss Zoan, Teach has the Abyss Logia, Moriah has the Abyss paramecia

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Imu has domain over the monsters, Teach over the form, Moriah over the shadows

muted hedge
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at this point i think that Imu has conjured a mastership over black-magic
the likes that we saw when Brook was sent away by Kuma, though he has mastered it unlike the cultitsts there

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like, the petagrams the grimoire

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it feels like they're a necromancer mage almost
something different from your ordinairy devil fruit user

muted hedge
trim lily
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kind of funny that basic fantasy magic might just exist

trim lily
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as long as imu is the only one who can use it i’m fine

muted hedge
# trim lily kind of funny that basic fantasy magic might just exist

i think that Imu's power is more or less a devil fruit power without being bound by the contract of a devil fruit if that makes sense, like they can siphen the powers of devil fruits by use of their expertise in magic sort of like their grimoire being the ultimate devil fruit power storage

trim lily
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i don’t want it to become a seperate power system

muted hedge
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it would also make for a fitting explanation where the powers of devil fruits come from

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if it's just magic that was shaped into different fruits to be used by the average folk

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and said magic was lost to history, Imu being the only one left who knows of it

trim lily
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that’d be cool

grand flower
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The CDs are a really good choice if Oda wanted to introduce a new power system at this stage

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they've been so isolated from the story

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and it makes sense they'd keep it to themselves

final trench
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I think they’ll be used as henchmen

grand flower
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The CDs?

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I was talking about whatever Imu, the knights and elders have going on

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but it could be any CD fr

muted hedge
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i don't think the average celestial dragon knows of it

grand flower
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Probably not

muted hedge
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only those who convert into a pact with Imu, like the holy knights and elders

grand flower
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The ones worth a damn in defending Marijoa

muted hedge
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basically, lol

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also, what if the key to the ancient kingdoms advanced technology was magic

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like what if magic served as the source for their advancements

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i think that would make for a fitting reason why Imu is so dedicated to making sure that everything regarding the Void Century is left a void

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they don't want people to recover that advanced form of progression, via the magic that they currently are the only one who knows of

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heavy spitballing right now

grand flower
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youre onto something because the subtext of egghead is that the government has kept people separated/isolated, suppressed education and exchange of information and technological advancement to prevent another great kingdom

muted hedge
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yeah, exactly

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i think this is from the romance dawn one shot

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this is probably the best evidence to go with, for Imu being a master of black-magic
as they literally say that the black-magic worked and they summoned a real demon, lol

dense pike
muted hedge
distant vine
final trench
iron oriole
final trench
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I think they can turn into dragons

blazing depot
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Actually right looks more like Nusjuro

muted hedge
iron oriole
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I think Imu clearly desires the technology of the AK

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They just don't want everyone having it

muted hedge
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maybe it's a combination of technology and magic

mighty shell
distant vine
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"Kinemon's alive?

That's the real tragedy, now he has to go through more of this awful arc! Ohohohohoho!"

scenic dirge
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Just realized Stussy isn’t on the cover

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Literally just remove Streusen for her tf

urban lodge
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Oda definitely forgot

muted hedge
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i am rolling with the idea that she is hiding on Whitebeard

leaden rivet
trim lily
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i think that’s nigh guaranteed no matter what route we go unfortunately

tranquil blade
muted hedge
tranquil blade
pulsar path
muted hedge
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speaking of bon voyage, i am so excited to see what new intro they'll have when they enter Elbaph arc

fast pagoda
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Stussy didnt make the cover but the dude in only like 5 panels and dead in one of them made it

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Fraud Marlon...

muted hedge
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i think i'd like a more somber feeling for the next opening

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simply because Elbaph so far has been quite somber inbetween the hype

final trench
muted hedge
final trench
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Awakened brook? 👀

stone tulip
grand flower
stone tulip
grand flower
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The government didn't make efforts to reclaim the AWs themselves either

grand flower
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Spandine had to convince the Elders to authorize the CP-9 operation to get the blueprints to Pluton

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York sending them the Mother Flame probably made them decide to entertain using the Weapons themselves

stone tulip
vital heart
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I'm 99% sure I figured out the end of the story

grand flower
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what you got for me

stone tulip
# muted hedge yeah probably

And based on egghead I feel like the openings would reflect in the tone of the season that the Elbaf arc has right now

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Like later half is gonna be more intense

muted hedge
muted hedge
stone tulip
unique lagoon
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is it breakweek still i lost track of time

tough igloo
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nah

unique lagoon
grand rain
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Engagement gifs come tomorrow

grand flower
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lolol

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good way to put it

blazing mantle
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Rejoice

muted hedge
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excited

torn kite
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I’m not gonna lie. I’m kind of worried about Brook especially considering this is what happened the last time he fought with gunko

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But Luffy and Loki will probably save him

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So maybe I don’t have to worry

muted hedge
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Loki will save Jarul and Luffy will save Brook is my guess

mighty shell
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i hope imu tries to domi reversi brook and it doesn't work cause he's already dead

prisma yacht
torn kite
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Because Brook doesn’t have long range attacks that could reach someone that could fly

prisma yacht
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He's probably already beat up

torn kite
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ngl imu don't look too bothered by brook rn

clever idol
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Why would they

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Yall just assumed brook didnt get taken out easily when he got taken out easilt prior by gunko and had the help of the other shs LUL

torn kite
muted hedge
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we'll probably see Brooks head roll around somewhere

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Brook doesn't die so easily, so you don't have to worry

dark nymph
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what Imu will do to Brook next chapter

muted hedge
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Luffy will save Brook just in time

tawny kraken
tawny kraken
pulsar timber
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Hello

muted hedge
tranquil blade
tawny kraken
vital heart
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loki and luffy are going to one shot imu next chapter

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I would like to bet the entire server's souls on this!

grand flower
trim lily
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NOOO meek is damning me to hell

forest jacinth
somber flare
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I agree!

dense rapids
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Same color face paint BBWise

blazing mantle
dense rapids
blazing mantle
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Oh the color really got changed

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That’s weird

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But just the scar

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Accident or on purpose

iron oriole
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for the longest time i thought that was just a strand of hair

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like the other side

blazing mantle
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How

iron oriole
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idk it just looked like it was hair but he styled it a bit more lmao

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idfk

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he has one on the right side of his face, makes sense for the left to have one too

prisma idol
iron oriole
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Manmayer Buggy > Rocks/Davy D Buggy

thick mango
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buggy the clown > special heritage buggy

rose rune
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love yourself like Luffy loves water

tawny kraken
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hydrobros rise

dense rapids
tawny kraken
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"nectar of the gods"

unique lagoon
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what if brook got domi already

muted hedge
unique lagoon
unique lagoon
muted hedge
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it looks cool

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almost like a natural part of the dragons head crest

small ember
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Wonder if Wafalo will cook up a dragon Loki

muted hedge
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hope so

vital heart
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The gap is too small!

muted hedge
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yeah for sure

dapper tree
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loki can change how big he is

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that's fine

muted hedge
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if not, Oda definitely will

dapper tree
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I mean

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He was in the castle while transformed at one point, the castle he is currently like 60xs bigger than

muted hedge
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it's either Loki changing his size, or it's Oda

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if he can't change his size, then maybe that'd be a good reasoning for why he went into his hybrid form when he went against Harald

dapper tree
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he can change sizes

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easy

vital ravine
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how is loki not awakened yet at this size? when we saw him next to the tree he took up like 1/8th of the tree's height

dapper tree
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cause that doesn't correlate?

muted hedge
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plus, we've still not seen the detailed overview of his form

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i still think that this is a sillhouette-esque version

scarlet nacelle
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hmm

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what are the chances loki gets domi reversi'd by imu

muted hedge
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pretty high i'd say

scarlet nacelle
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because he seems way too overpowered to be on the straw hat's side

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but then again if he DOES get domi reversi'd then that makes imu's side too overpowered

muted hedge
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if Imu retreats then i think that they'll do a last ditch effort by reversing Loki as they are going to leave

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so it'll end up becoming Loki as well as the giants against the straw hats and Gaban

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and unlike Harald and Xebec, Loki and the giants will be rescued successfully by Luffy probably due to the Nika properties

runic dock
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Apparently the more accurate way to say kuzans original justice is unmotivated justice

vital ravine
muted hedge
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i don't think that's the case, lol

dapper tree
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who does ?

vital ravine
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kaku and lucci?

muted hedge
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Lucci grows more slender if anything

vital ravine
vital ravine
dapper tree
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Lucci has always gotten bigger

vital ravine
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yeah, and kaku as well

muted hedge
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i don't know about the height, though i'd guess they're about even

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and Kaku didn't change too much, looks like a thicker neck if anything

vital ravine
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oh alright it really isnt an issue i just had the impression zoans always get bigger when they awaken since they're supposed to be a lot more advanced than their previous forms

muted hedge
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that's fair, though i think when they awaken it's often a area of the fruit's capabilities which they specialize in

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also i just noticed Kaku in his awakened form got a tail, lol

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his torso also seems to become more stocky

thick mango
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If the assumption that loki was going against the WG during his captivity was true wouldnt we assume that thats what hes gonna do after elbaf? He has more reason to hate the WG than ever

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maybe hes the catalyst that will get the proper war really going

frozen ravine
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lucci got skinnier and kaku got chonkier

muted hedge
vital ravine
muted hedge
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the thundering and snow representing the fimbulwinter

vital ravine
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maybe they're destined to be together

muted hedge
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seems like it

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definitely with how Jarul wrote out the prophecy or whatever

vital ravine
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jaruls quote seals the deal for me they were always supposed to be together, also shanks being the destined child kind of orchestrated their meeting

muted hedge
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yeah, seems like it

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i wouldn't be surprised if Shanks knew that they were destined to meet, hence why he probably stopped Loki from going to Marijoa

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he had to protect Loki's future in time for Joyboys arrival

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as well as carrying a heavy burden for Haralds death

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i wonder if it will tie into this

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since they're literally guiding the world to it's end, if it's really referencing the fimbulwinter right now

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heralding ragnarok, which is the end of the world

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and there's certainly chaos going on in Elbaph as of now

final trench
muted hedge
final trench
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He said the sun god is accompanied by a beast

muted hedge
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yeah

vital ravine
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maybe the mural was very literal with the tree in the middle

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maybe the events will all surround the tree of Elbaph

muted hedge
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not only that, but Jarul could also be the inconvinient remnant as he is undesirable to Imu as of now, which is why they want to dispose of him and replace him with Dory and Broggy. hence the inconvinient remnant (Jarul) recalls the promised day which he quoted in the latest chapter

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hearing the voice of the half-moon, perhaps meaning the drums of liberation?

formal wagon
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Drum as in drum island

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goda

muted hedge
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the sun god dances and laughs, leading the world to it's end.

formal wagon
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he knows what his best arc is

muted hedge
vital ravine
muted hedge
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i'm 50/50, i could see either or

vital ravine
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yeah me too

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what an inconclusive character

muted hedge
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but i definitely think that the third world being quoted in the mural is what's going down right now

vital ravine
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😂

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yeah for sure, it cant be he harley texts though it must be something else

muted hedge
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there's definitely parts of the harley we've not seen

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Jarul could've been quoting a part which we've not heard

vital ravine
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yeah that book has plenty of pages unless Loda wants us to believe theres just one singular thick page

vernal ravine
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its part of the harley

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the whole thing wasn't told in the mural panel

grand flower
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The Harley probably split across a ton of murals and the ponegliffs

muted hedge
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i think the events almost match perfectly

small ember
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Or if countries have more specific interpretations than Elbaf

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🤔

muted hedge
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Shyarly foresaw something

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though i don't know, since they don't really believe in Nika like Elbaph do, so maybe they wouldn't be as inclined to have heard about the prophecy as such?

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but maybe their prophecy is surrounding Poseidon instead.. so you might have a point there

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instead of the sun god, they've got the same kind of harley but with the sea god at the center

final trench
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And blackbeard was mentioned

grand flower
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Loki says the underworld is also known as the first world in their mythology

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It’s the first level

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Franky said War-Land is an island where the societies have collapsed under war repeatedly

muted hedge
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oh yeah, you're right

grand flower
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A new one just rises up around the tree after

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The second world happened in the sun realm

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The third world we saw in the mural gonna play out in the heaven realm

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Numero tres

muted hedge
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could be, though i think that the third act is playing out currently

grand flower
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Yeah me to

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Too*

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It’s gonna move up to the heaven realm

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Loki and Imu can fly

muted hedge
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i could see that, yeah

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if this is the case, then the harley foresaw Luffy being victorious on Elbaph

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as it ends with the sun returns and they will surely meet

grand flower
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People gonna come to Elbaph

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I do think Imu leaves tho

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Before the end

final trench
grand flower
muted hedge
grand flower
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Urouge up there with Kid and Killer’s son Shiki

grand flower
muted hedge
final trench
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“Hey strawhat…you teamed up with this guy right?”BBWise BBWise BBWise BBWise

grand flower
grand flower
vital ravine
grand flower
muted hedge
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it could very well be Blackbeard

grand flower
muted hedge
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they certainly will figure it out soon at least

vital ravine
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i was confused on why loki was left alive but ig it can be explained as plot armor

muted hedge
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since i assume that Imu knows of the fruit that Loki ate

vital ravine
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but if imu knew i feel like their best interest is to take loki out immediately

muted hedge
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that's the case for a lot of things, lol

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Luffy, Blackbeard, Loki

thick mango
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thats probably true but imu doesnt act strategically

grand flower
# muted hedge it could very well be Blackbeard

Yeah I think York realized they were gonna send an elder to make sure the Vegapunk’s couldnt protect themselves with the Pacifista and Seraphim

She tipped Blackbeard off she he sent Devon and Auger so Devon could acquire the Elder and they can make a solid escape

York then goes to Marijoa and she helps them infiltrate and steal the Seraphim

grand flower
muted hedge
vital ravine
grand flower
muted hedge
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true

grand flower
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And Blackbeard recognized the Seraphim as Pacifista, and the world knows Vegapunk made those

buoyant comet
grand flower
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He couldn’t believe they were Lunarian

grand flower
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Dragon’s last scene in Egghead is perfect set up for it

vital ravine
grand flower
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He knows the giants have the void century history from Ohara

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He’s the one who gave them permission to take it

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And he knows the straw hats, meaning Robin, left with the giants

muted hedge
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have y'all seen the idea circulating around that Dragon has eaten the hellfire serpent fruit

muted hedge
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it's a pretty baseless idea, though mostly constructed on the pattern of the snake lol

muted hedge
grand flower
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It’s interesting

vital ravine
muted hedge
buoyant comet
grand flower
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I’d wager the hellfire serpent was a magma catastrophe that cooled down into the red line

grand flower
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Viz didnt translate it

vital ravine
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yeah and dragon and serpent are interchangable in a lot of cultrues

grand flower
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That’s the second time a major thing with dragon went like that

muted hedge
vital ravine
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i feel like the preferred epithet is dragon not serpent

muted hedge
grand flower
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When Dragon asked Kuma to tell him what he saw in Marijoa, Kuma responded like PX-0 ans said “yes master”

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Viz didnt keep that

mighty shell
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@rapid ridge i have a version of that emote you put in suggestions but it's a still cap from the anime, i made it several years ago. cleaned bellamy's blood off luffy's hand for it lol

buoyant comet
mighty shell
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i think it's better than the manga variant

vital ravine
muted hedge
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must be because Dragon is in the authority-hierarchy

muted hedge
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and Loki was funny enough the other big creature on the mural

muted hedge
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whom i think is Uranus by the way

grand flower
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Dragon is known as a great liberator himself

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Just like Nika

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I think Dragon will free the Seraphim from Blackbeard

muted hedge
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that would be dope

grand flower
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And by extension the government

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“Seraphim, I command you to be free”

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The command hierarchy will be useless because it’ll be an order that cant end

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And no one will outrank dragon

muted hedge
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Shaka would definitely do that, lol
to make sure that Dragon gets the upperhand

vital ravine
vital ravine
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i like the rain fruit theories for dragon

grand flower
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We already know they were in touch

muted hedge
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yeah

harsh lantern
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Controlling wind rain and lightning which all makes sense because he did all of those in loguetown

muted hedge
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yeah there's a lot of those, lol

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if it was up to me i'd like for him to have a weather logia

final trench
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Possibly

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But it could be a snake zoan

harsh lantern
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But weather paramicia is possible

muted hedge
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i think a weather logia would essentialy be the same as a forest logia

harsh lantern
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Anyways I’m tired of the mythical zoan fruits I would really want him to have weather powers

shadow python
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Nami noticed a storm was coming well before Luffy was even captured.

muted hedge
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a weather logia would encompass all areas of the weather circle

harsh lantern
final trench
muted hedge
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yeah, Greenbull

distant vine
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Oh is that why people thought Dragon was coming to Egghead? Cause of the conversation with Shaka?

shadow python
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The storm had nothing to do with Dragon. Maybe the lightning was, but id rather just think Dragon was going to sit back and watch it happen

harsh lantern
woven talon
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I think dragon did probably blow in the storm clouds

shadow python
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Though if that was Dragon it was rather reckless given Dragon didnt know Luffy was immune to lightning

woven talon
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But yeah it’s most likely a wind fruit

mighty shell
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i was on the revs on egghead train until the halfway point in the arc when cp0 was subdued and i was like yeah nvm they have nothing left to do here

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i'm impatient for dragon

distant vine
woven talon
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I also don’t think anything prompted buggy being zapped other than him holding metal up in a storm and fate

muted hedge
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mori means forest or woods

shadow python
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I mean sure, but Nami herself knew luffy was rubber for as long as she knew him and still was surprised by his immunity

muted hedge
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woods is essentialy a forest, lol

harsh lantern
woven talon
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But again I don’t think dragon summoned lighting there lol

muted hedge
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didn't Dragon shout wind blast

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or was that some weird translation

woven talon
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When lol

muted hedge
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back in logue town

woven talon
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No

harsh lantern
woven talon
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He didn’t

muted hedge
woven talon
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Ugh lemme check

muted hedge
woven talon
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What chapter is it?

muted hedge
final trench
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Which made the marines guns stop working

woven talon
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K gimme a min

final trench
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And smoker said “is this some sort of coincidence?”

muted hedge
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yeah, that too

harsh lantern
shadow python
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Loki showed you dont need a logia to be a master of elements. If dragon had a dragon fruit like lokis he could probably do the loguetown things easily

muted hedge
shadow python
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But my main concern has always been that Nami knew about the storm beforehand suggesting it was natural

muted hedge
clever idol
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Dragon is a Storm Man

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Or maybe even a Weather Man

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Or Sky Man

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Sky Logia

muted hedge
harsh lantern
final trench
woven talon
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突風だァ!!!!

muted hedge
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Kaido's mere presence caused a storm around him

woven talon
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I could be being dumb but I’m like 90% sure the marines are crying this out

muted hedge
woven talon
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It’s a gust of wind!!!

or “The winds suddenly going crazy!!”

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Something like that

muted hedge
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yeah, i could see that

woven talon
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Wonder what Stephen did

harsh lantern
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Yeah wind control is definitely confirmed

shadow python
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Thats future sight beyond Katakuri if Nami knew Dragon would cause a storm before Luffy was even caught

mighty shell
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why would dragon shout that out

woven talon
woven talon
muted hedge
woven talon
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And Oda usually has it open for stuff like this

harsh lantern
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But at the same time I was thinking that if dragon really could control the weather wouldn’t that undermine Namis abilities

woven talon
harsh lantern
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Like I’m pretty sure her endgame power would be weather control

woven talon
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Stephen agrees with me

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It being the marines

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Lemme check the anime

harsh lantern
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2 people w weather control doesn’t seem realistic

shadow python
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Nami being inferior to Dragon is of no consequence

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Chopper is inferior to Law as a doctor

mighty shell
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there's also dozens of weather controlling abilities in the series

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see also big mom and kaido

harsh lantern
mighty shell
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is there really a difference

muted hedge
mighty shell
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that just feels semantic

woven talon
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The line is cut in the anime lol

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But they talk about it later

harsh lantern
muted hedge
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they probably couldn't make it out who it was from either

woven talon
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Also this is defo wind powers lmao

mighty shell
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can they not lol

final trench
mighty shell
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big mom has hera for a reason

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had* may her soul rest in peace

muted hedge
final trench
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Yea the panel before hand he caused an explosion

clever idol
woven talon
muted hedge
clever idol
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Oda is not slick!

final trench
clever idol
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Fujitora level feat btw

vital heart
woven talon
# final trench

The thing is air would like fan the flames and make them bigger and spread no? Woudl be funny if he screwed them over mid speech

harsh lantern
muted hedge
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Kuma blowing up the land while Dragon parts the fire

woven talon
harsh lantern
vital heart
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these mythical figures aren't literally real

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there are physical things in the real world that represent them, ie through fruits, monuments (like the redline), etc

vital heart
woven talon
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I disagree on that

vital heart
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right now this is what I'm thinking

woven talon
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I don’t think fruits existed in that era

muted hedge
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watch the earth god be the sand fruit

woven talon
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I think fruits came into being in the second world

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I do agree the Sun God and Earth God might not have literally existed tho before their fruits did

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Maybe

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I can see it both ways

vital heart
# woven talon I don’t think fruits existed in that era

Sun God = Luffy/Nika fruit wielder
Forest God = Loki/Elbaf dragon fruit wielder
Rain God = Dragon/whatever he can do
Earth God = Blackbeard/not sure on why
Hellfire Serpent = is a fruit + is the redline, but the redline is not a serpent itself
Imu = devil
smth like this

final trench
vital heart
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no

final trench
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Separate people on purpose

vital heart
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redline was not made by imu

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the red line was pre-imu

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lol

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the grand line was made by imu tho i think

woven talon
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I don’t see how the Nidhog is forest related

vital heart
formal wagon
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i see

muted hedge
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personally i think that Loki's fruit is Uranus

vital heart
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I think its loosely based on nidhogg though

final trench
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Earth God is a nerona most likely

woven talon
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I think he’d be closer to rain if you had to tie it to one

vital heart
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okay well

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forest rain are interchangeable

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They're indistinguishable to me

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Completely arbitrary choosing between the two

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The general idea is what I'm trying to convey

muted hedge
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Imu could be the forest god, specifically because the flower room

woven talon
muted hedge
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as well as taming the demons

vital heart
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Imu is not the forest god

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This is clear

final trench
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Forest god might be loki or possibly lily

woven talon
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Imu isn’t any of them I don’t think

woven talon
#

You think Ragnir does the element stuff?

muted hedge
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we don't know if it's from Loki or Ragnir yet

woven talon
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I thought that would be Loki tbh

vital heart
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yes

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it's coming from ragnir

muted hedge
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Ragnir has shown elemental attacks though Loki's dragon form might be able to conjure up the same, given Kaido could

woven talon
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I don’t agree meek, Ragnir is living his best squirl life atm on his back

muted hedge
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as well as Jarul's quotation of the prophecy, snow and thunder as a giant beast blots out of the sky

woven talon
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It doesn’t look like he’s doing anything

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It looks like the snow and lighting is coming from Loki to me

vital heart
harsh lantern
woven talon
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I don’t think that’s the case

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I think the first half highlights Loki and the second Luffy

muted hedge
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same

woven talon
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I don’t see Ragnir as a unique third party in the speech

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So I think it’s jumping the gun to assume it’s saying the power is one and not the others

muted hedge
woven talon
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Atm visible evidence makes me think it’s the fruit’s power

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Especially because a niddhog controlling snow and lighting isn’t without merit

clever idol
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Nah bb is the blackhole / darkness. A dead sun

woven talon
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Also wow idk how far people’s options diverged on this gods thing

muted hedge
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personally i don't think that Loki is the Nidhogg

clever idol
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The moon is represented via multiple support characters to luffy like zoro (shimotsuki), the minks, kozuki, etc

harsh lantern
vital heart
woven talon
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lol

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I personally don’t care 🤣

muted hedge
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if Loki was the Nidhogg then i feel like the name wouldn't be hidden from us for so long

vital heart
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It's too specific on an IRL mythological beast considering how important it is in the context of the OP-original mythos

woven talon
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His fruit could’ve been anything tbh

muted hedge
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i think that Loki's fruit is something far more, like Uranus or something

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at this scale, the power output would be comparable to whatever Imu is controlling

muted hedge
harsh lantern
muted hedge
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oh

woven talon
#

Okay I think:

Sun God: Nika (mythological figure that freed slaves)

Earth God: Figure that raised the hell-serpenent redline and punished those who dreamed of freedom.

Forest God: The nation/ creator(s) of the devil fruits.

Sea God: The great flood (caused by Imu)

harsh lantern
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This guy had a good theory watch it if u want

grand flower
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The earth god is a volcanic cataclysm

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They were pulling fuel from below the mantle

muted hedge
#

the earth god could more or less be Pluton
the sea god could be Poseidon

grand flower
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The description of darkness and death covering the world lines up with super volcanos blocking out the sun with their ash clouds

woven talon
#

I can agree with that if it resulted in the redline going up

grand flower
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The cataclysm hardened into the red line

thick mango
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So dragon is a myth zoan right if we being real about what's likely

grand flower
grand flower
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Or rather that the consistency of the red line matches up to several islands merged together

woven talon
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Would explain why the people want a sun god

grand flower
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the first world mentions a ring of fire doesn't it?

woven talon
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To save them

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Specifically

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They want the sun to shine through the ash

muted hedge
woven talon
grand flower
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Oh it doesn't mention a ring

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that was something else

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The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness.

woven talon
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And I think posidon can’t be responsible for the flood

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Which are the indicators in the story imo

grand flower
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The earth god raged with tis serpent of hellfire = magma erupted from the planet in a ring around the planet that formed into the red line

muted hedge
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i agree with Pluton being made too late, but i disagree with Poseidon i definitely think they could cause a major flood if they'd want to, especially someone more experienced than Shirahoshi

woven talon
grand flower
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The Ring of Fire (also known as the Pacific Ring of Fire, the Rim of Fire, the Girdle of Fire or the Circum-Pacific belt) is a tectonic belt of earthquakes and volcanoes.
It is about 40,000 km (25,000 mi) long and up to about 500 km (310 mi) wide, and surrounds most of the Pacific Ocean.
The Ring of Fire contains between 750 and 915 active or do...

grand flower
harsh lantern
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Nidhogg is a dragon that lives at the roots of Yggdrasil, the giant world tree that represents all life. Because he’s directly tied to this cosmic tree and its roots, it makes sense symbolically that a Nidhogg power could be seen as a “Forest God.

grand flower
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nahhhh

grand flower
woven talon
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I’m feel very strongly the forest god is the creation of devil fruits

grand flower
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Forest god is probably the Eve tree

muted hedge
grand flower
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Tamed demons

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As in, managed to create a way to produce Imu's powers through DFs maybe

restive sierra
grand flower
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Replicated Imu's natural demonic powers through the fruits

woven talon
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“The forest god sent forth it’s devils/ demons and the sun god lit the embers of war”

grand flower
deep chasm
woven talon
grand flower
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that makes sense

woven talon
# restive sierra

Usopp’s expectations was so much lower putting him with any of these monsters is amazing for him

muted hedge
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i think the most curious part about Imu is their flower room
it's so distinct from what we see from them otherwise

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almost like there's some forest connection there

harsh lantern
woven talon
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Honestly I wouldn’t mind at all if Imu was instrumental in the creation of Devil Fruits. I feel like he betrays Joy Boy at the very end

muted hedge
woven talon
muted hedge
deep chasm
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deep in imus backstory

harsh lantern
muted hedge
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if not Imu, then whatever has taken control of Imu
assuming that they're being controlled, lol

deep chasm
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ehhh

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I would dislike if theres an even bigger bad controlling imu

thick mango
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same

woven talon
#

I used to think the Lunarians were the most ancient evil. I’m 50/50 on the idea now. But my idea was the sun god was to oppose the moon people, like a symbolic “dawn is coming, it won’t be night forever” thing

clever idol
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Yea

woven talon
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Imu is the biggest bad of the series

runic dock
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The man in charge of sound effects for op anime has retired

thick mango
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my preference for imu is they started out good or at least somewhat understandable/neutral and theyve gone a little insane and been corrupted by 800 years of despotic rule

runic dock
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Good news!

clever idol
deep chasm
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I agree, i dont even think its necessarily horrible if BB ended up being the final enemy, but dont let it be that this whole time Imu is being controlled by something bigger

thick mango
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i hate to be a hater but the sound effects were the weakest part of the anime

woven talon
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But I can see the final fight being a three way with bb and luffy trying to take down Imu for their own worlds to be birthed

muted hedge
# harsh lantern Yeah it could be Uranus tbh it doesn’t not make sense

i think it would also line up considering that it has been safekept for so long by the giants, it's also been shown to be one of the few things capable of causing enough damage to outright effectively counter Imu's domi reversi

and it would supply a shock to the fanbase, as most i've seen are thinking that whatever Imu has is Uranus but i think it would be fitting if it's Imu's attempt at mimicking the power that Joyboy had on his side

muted hedge
clever idol
woven talon
# runic dock Good news!

They’ll continue to use his sfxs, and let’s not pretend the man isnt a legend after all his contributions. Blame the studio for recycling not him

thick mango
runic dock
harsh lantern
grand flower
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dawn is too obvious tbh

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but it just may be

woven talon
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I think D don/ dawn is a guarantee but the ultimate meaning of both is freedom- the don of the liberation drums and the dawn wording mean the same thing

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It’s the dream of freedom

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Regardless of which word Oda picks

muted hedge
#

ultimately i think the D is just a symbol of the half-moon people mentioned in the mural

harsh lantern
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And I also think that’s because we still haven’t seen a celestial dragon with “d” in their name so they could be the moon people

grand flower
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i still think it's a smile

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and it symbolizes joy

woven talon
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Eh

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Not every d dies smiling

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Cobra

grand flower
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that's not the meaning i think it has

woven talon
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Rocks I think

grand flower
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i think the people joy boy inspired adopted the symbol

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hence joy boy

woven talon
#

Did rocks smile ?

grand flower
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no he didn't

muted hedge
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i don't think so

woven talon
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I think it’s Dawn / Don but I agree it’s ultimately the dream for a happy free future

thick mango
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sometimes things are obvious because they make a lot of sense

woven talon
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Also I think this thematically ties as a faulty devil fruit is a smile

grand flower
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I think the idea is that joy is the great unifier of people

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and it perseveres through all things

woven talon
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And I think the D’s made the devil fruits

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Or at least

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Joy boy’s ppl

grand flower
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i think what oda's going for, is that the laughs in the OP world is what the ancient language is

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those who made the ponegliffs used laughter as the codex for the language

muted hedge
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didn't Imu say that the D are labels for the enemies of the 20 kingdoms

grand flower
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symbolizing that their joy will persevere and win the fight

woven talon
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I don’t think the unique laughing is a code

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Or a trait

grand flower
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that's why roger said it was a tale full of laughs

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he was being literal

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they wrote it in laughter

woven talon
#

Hmm

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I took it as more ironic

grand flower
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Well

muted hedge
#

it being wrote in literal laughter is funny

woven talon
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Like it’s so crazy that you can only laugh at how it turned out

grand flower
#

Feeso, if you go back and look at the chapter where Saul met Robin

woven talon
#

Dershishsishi

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I know

grand flower
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It starts off with Clover saying it's important for history to be preserved

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Yeah

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Robin thought it was language

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And immediately after that, they talk about the D

harsh lantern
#

In my opinion the devil fruits came from the abiss or the underworld. Like the place were the elders go when they use that pentagram to move to places

woven talon
#

Hmm

grand flower
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and saul tells robin laughter will get you through any despair

woven talon
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I’m not saying I agree but there’s some merit in it thematically at least

grand flower
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yea pretty much

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there is overlap btw

muted hedge
#

man, i sometimes forget that Saul is a D

grand flower
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Perona, Kaido, and Whitebeard

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Their laughs are all their DF names

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Big Mom laughs like "Mama hahaha"

woven talon
#

Okay wait I’ll go line by line then for the Harley

grand flower
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So there's precedence for laughter and language overallping

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yeah thats it

harsh lantern
#

Do u guys think odas gonna give ussop a fucking buff or blue ball us again?

grand flower
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I doubt it will be a buff

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Oda will have Usopp lean into his existing strengths and overcome his insecurities

harsh lantern
#

I’m tired of him shooting beans bro

grand flower
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Don't expect Usopp to suddenly stop being weak at what he's weak at, I think

muted hedge
grand flower
muted hedge
#

the only hope i've got from Usopp when it comes to a buff, is if he fed his Kabuto a devil fruit

grand flower
#

I thought it might be Loki's

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Maybe it'll be Ragnir

cedar snow
grand flower
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But I also think he might get Gunko's devil fruit

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Arrow Arrow would be perfect for Usopp

woven talon
#

** Within the earth there was fire. **
There was an energy source harvested at the earth’s core.

** Mankind succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun. **

People greedily harnessed this power despite its risks.

The enslaved prayed, and the sun god appeared.

The enslaved were used to harvest this energy and suffered. They prayed for a hero and one rose up, Nika. A jolly warrior to tried to save the laborers. (I assume many were giants or mixed bloods like buccaneers).

The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness.

A disaster occurred in the battle, the red line came up in a volcanic disaster and the world was filled with ash and despair.

And they will never meet.

The oceans were split apart and people/ whales could not come together.

woven talon
harsh lantern
grand flower
#

I would say Feeso

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Beyond that

woven talon
#

I think centuries pass before the second world

grand flower
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It's specifically the moon people

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They were harvesting resources from the blue planet after they fucked their own up

woven talon
#

Who were greedy?

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I agree too

grand flower
#

it's possible the first world happened on the moon

woven talon
#

But it’s not written there

grand flower
#

Yeah

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Enel's cover story bridges the gap

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They used their planet dry

#

I think the ancient weapons in general might have been harvesting tools tbh

woven talon
#

the Lunarians originally were in control and the people turned to the Sun God to save them from this maybe

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Cause moon will scumb to the sun idk

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Onto era 2

grand flower
#

I wonder if touching the forbidden fire is more literal than we think

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people touched the motherflame or harnessed it

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maybe that turned sky people into lunarians

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and gave humans the power to produce flames

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like we see with luffy, garp, sanji, kinemon, zoro and katakuri

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Like it's something that's lingered in human DNA ever since

woven talon
#

Within the void there was breath.

Something changed at a specific location in this ash world. Life and hope could flourish again.

The forest god tamed demons and the sun spread the fires of war.

The devil fruits were made via the manipulation of haki and desire, resulting in the creation of many champions who strive to unify and purify their polluted world. They created the ancient weapons to free it. A new Sun God, Joy Boy, rose up having eaten a fruit that granted the legendary powers now attributed to Nika. He rallied a rebellion to defeat the surviving Lunarians and restore the oceans to One Piece. As they formally rebelled against the rulers they are the first pirates.

Those of the half-moon dreamed.
Those of the moon dreamed.

The two factions warred over their ambitions. (Nika’s alliance and the Lunarian alliance).

Man killed the sun and became god, and the sea god stormed.

At the end of the war, one of the allied Kings, Imu, betrayed Joyboy and usurped his position, flooding the world and taking the place of the Lunarians as Gods of control. Like pirates they stole power and were corrupted.

And they did not meet.
the oceans, people and whales did not come together.

fallen meteor
grand flower
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Within the void there was breath

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I think that’s Imus myth zoan

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An abyss-based monster

woven talon
#

I’m not sure Imu’s powers are solely a fruit

blazing depot
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Whenever Imu speaks in the manga I assume has the same voice as Seth Macfarlane Palpatine

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From robot chicken

woven talon
#

Within the chaos there was emptiness.
The aftermath of the void century. Knowledge and freedom of travel were curtailed and the WG established itself.

The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the half-moon.

The survivors of Imu’s purge become a thorn in his side as they take on the moniker D. And vow to one day bring about the promised Dawn to unite the seas and overthrow the would be gods. The knowledge is purged but the spirit of the promise survives in the mysterious initial passed from generation to generation.

The sun god shall dance and laugh, guiding the world to its end. The sun returns and brings a new morning. And they will surely meet.

A new Joy boy will rise when someone worthy eats the Nika fruit. They will lead the world and overthrow the usurpers and the promise of reuniting the seas and freeing the world will finally be fulfilled.

#

^^There there’s my read on every line!!

#

Third era is kinda worthless lore wise since it’s just the series lol

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But I guess it needs to exist

formal wagon
#

i hope lucci is important in regards to all this stuff

grand flower
#

you like lucci huh?

#

i heard he's a magician

formal wagon
#

where did youj hear that

grand flower
#

a vanquished oracle

formal wagon
#

i hope thats not slander or something

grand flower
#

his name was evil buggy

formal wagon
#

rip 🕊️

#

they're banning everybody 😭

coral vapor
#

the first world is still the most mysterious tho

grand flower
coral vapor
#

do yall think the first world happened far before the second

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or not

grand flower
#

they couldn't handle the dope shit he was spitting

#

rip evilbuggyWALKEMDOWN

buoyant comet
# woven talon **Within the chaos there was emptiness.** The aftermath of the void century. Kn...

The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the half-moon.

I interpreted this as a reference to the Kozuki and Momonosukes future role, since half moon means Kozuki in Japanese. Plus we haven't really learned alot about Wanos past. I feel like the true purpose of the Kozuki is yet to be revealed.

The only inconvenient remnant I can think of is Zunesha. He's basically a sinner atoning for his sins. But when he arrived at Wano he was able to hear Momonosukes voice and adhere to his wish to not tear down the borders.

grand flower
#

Saturn called Kuma, Luffy, VP and Bonney "inconvenient" iirc

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In Wano, CP0 said the war was a good opportunity to eliminate "inconvenient" people

balmy lava
#

Voice of the crescent moon is actual translation

grand flower
#

I think at least one other time, we're told that's the express job of CP0

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Or CP9, rather

balmy lava
#

It is not half moon

grand flower
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To elininate "inconvenient" people

buoyant comet
balmy lava
#

Half moon is mentioned in 2nd world. Third world is where crescent is mentioned (different word then half used in 2nd world)

wraith mantle
prisma idol
#

Khalid you almost got nuked

dense haven
#

yall liked the new cover?

unkempt sable
hazy turret
buoyant comet
coral vapor
#

actual funny agenda because he was really a bum

hazy turret
buoyant comet
woven talon
#

and there's elements of world 2 that aren't touched on in my write up

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like Davy Jones

grand flower
#

@hazy turret hey

sturdy steeple
hazy turret
grand flower
#

i'm saying hi?

hazy turret
#

Why?

#

What do you want

stuck comet
#

hi im cool cos im in this chanel instead of normal one

grand flower
#

to say hi

sturdy steeple
#

Hello, Rokaya. What’s up

blazing depot
hazy turret
grand flower
#

oh wow

sturdy steeple
#

Good! My sleep schedule is fucked at the moment but it’s all fine. Hope you’re doing great too.

unkempt sable
#

What’s worse being a smoker fan or being a kid fan?

wraith scarab
#

smoker

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atleast with kid what they say about him isnt true

#

with smoker you cant even argue

#

just gotta accept it

woven talon
# buoyant comet > **The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the ...

Kozuki is closer to "moonlight" hence the song moonlight princess. It's also the whole OP story in mini. The moonlight ppl go away for 20 years and there's a dark night period for Wano, only for a hero to return and usher in a full dawn, as Toki promised.

I think inconvienent remnant is just the D, and the half moons are the D. We get told in the previous world that the half and full moons face off. I think the half moon faction wins, but Imu's faction breaks off and betrays Joy Boy, so the remaining halfmoons go on to become the Ds. Pretty sure imu literally calls them incontinences and remnants, he definitely calls them shells.

unkempt sable
prisma idol
buoyant comet
grand flower
#

smoker will debut logia awakening

buoyant comet
#

He's coming back with ACOC 🙏

prisma idol
#

If he does

sturdy steeple
grand flower
#

exactly

#

to all of you

sturdy steeple
#

But that will be Greenbull

grand flower
#

naw

coral vapor
sturdy steeple
#

Let me have it

grand flower
#

smoker has been getting strong

unkempt sable
grand flower
#

rounding up criminals

woven talon
#

gotta stop somewhere

#

I'm happy for the first world to be explained

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but I don't need a flashback for it

buoyant comet
woven talon
#

the second world has been the thing we were building up for ages

prisma idol
grand flower
#

I wonder if the first and second world are the reason for the two calendar systems @woven talon

sturdy steeple
#

I will steal some more, no worries

marsh stone
#

Is joy boy a power up that just goes around ?

prisma idol
#

No

woven talon
woven talon
#

but maybe

balmy lava
grand flower
woven talon
#

but who knows

blazing depot
#

The people of the crescent moon = Garling DUHHHHHH

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Garling is Nika

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He will save us inshallah

stuck comet
#

currently on chapter 1 of one piece when is gear 5

balmy lava
#

Voices of crecent moon likely mean those who created poneglyphs

woven talon
# grand flower oh?

I think Arabasta is just much older so goes by a different internal calendar, and Noland was using the standard world wide age of the sea circle dates

woven talon
formal wagon
#

drum island is the key

woven talon
balmy lava
#

Remnants D, and voices the crecent poneglyphs, yeah

woven talon
#

💯

pale trail
wraith mantle
#

Where spoilers at

blazing depot
ionic palm
#

hope it comes early tbh, I can't do anything rn

and I have to prepare to go shoveling again, incoming blizzard that's about to dump between 18-24 inches of snow in my city, and need something to kill time 🥀

blazing mantle
prisma yacht
pseudo gulch
#

Fucked up looking dog

prisma yacht
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We love punch

muted hedge
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break week is over

prisma yacht
muted hedge
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discordia is in discord

tawny kraken
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that's not a cat

muted hedge
tawny kraken
muted hedge
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tough choice

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i'm going to go with happy dual wielding cigar Crocodile though

tawny kraken
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yeah judging from his expression those are the good kind of cigars

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even the way he holds them QueenKEKW

muted hedge
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yeah he looks jolly

tawny kraken
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dual hook croco doesn't, but understandably so I guess

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I'd be pissed too, how would he even wipe

muted hedge
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he looks like a grumpy cat you just woke up

tawny kraken
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he needs a snickers

muted hedge
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fetch him some meat and tomatoes

tawny kraken
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I'm no lizaru doordasher

muted hedge
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i don't think any doordasher could deliver crocodile meat

tawny kraken
muted hedge
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yup

tawny kraken
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hating ketchup based af tho

muted hedge
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i agree

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ketchup is overrated

tawny kraken
high wolf
muted hedge
prisma yacht
versed ruin
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asking for a friend

cosmic hamlet
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This chat has been dry for an month now

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😴

tawny kraken
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yohoho BrookTea

remote maple
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🍷

muted hedge
prisma yacht
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i did my pips today within 30 secs

versed ruin
cosmic hamlet
muted hedge
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Oda thinks he is slick

prisma yacht
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easy mode

prisma yacht
cosmic hamlet
cosmic hamlet
prisma yacht
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my wordle streak of 2 days was broken yesterday

versed ruin
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so

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not that early 🙏

honest garden