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Cross Guilds has the potential, if we get more of them
but yeah, Luffy is very similair weirdly enough
BB is like tainted to an evil degree where yeah rocks is crooked he kinda finds peace it seems in iris and teach and maybe even some of his crew
Luffy is like Xebec and Roger in one, lol
Cross guild for sure could be the direct equivalent but I feel straw hats are 2.0
You know, I wasn't ready to wake up and read that giraffe status of yours
the main thing which makes Cross Guilds so similair is just because they've got big names on their crew
Yeah I mean I think Luffy is like a lot of them if you think about like all five pictures in the Imu fight all have aspect I feel of Luffy too!
Lmaooo
He's the greatest all in one!
i think a key part of Blackbeard will be that he has chosen to neglect feelings or attachements, as in his eyes it's what made Xebec fall to his death
the part he fails to realize is that Xebec's drive was so admirable because of why he did it
like, i don't think that Xebec wanted to be king of the world just to rule it with chaos
like Blackbeard plans to do
Same
Or at the very least let freedom reign
Tho who knows maybe when we meet Davey it will be more sinister
i think that Xebec would've been a pretty decent king all things considered
well that's not a hard line to cross, lol
though i do think that Blackbeard would be as bad if not worse than Imu
simply because Blackbeard is a lot more, chaotic and unexpected
i just finished the movies and was wondering who is canon? i know uta and shiki is but is zephyr and gild tesoro?
like if Blackbeard wants to, he'd just pull the trigger and nuke an island because of a fruit that he wanted or something
Imu still has a relative patience, though that's probably most likely because of the mother flames requirement
No not at all sadly
also, i think that Blackbeard would rule it with an iron fist more so than Imu
he wouldn't hide in the shadows of the elders for example, he'd pronounce himself as the king and want people to view him as that, making him a much more feared individual on the larger masses
I think BB will just bring chaos to the world tbh let it go to destruction idk how he would rule or if he would even have the strength too
That's what I'm confused like after you take over the world government unless you gain some sort of power it's probably not going to be as strong as it was before
Blackbeard would shape the world as he sees, doesn't matter what people do as long as it's not against him
Blackbeard would probably demand more than just a tribute
Or idk maybe he just wants Imu to burn and suffer
What else would he even want after taking imus place
i imagine that Xebec would be ashamed of the path that Blackbeard is going in order to accomplish his dream
maybe the treasure of Marijoa
but could that change in the future? or is it 100% not canon? bcoz could zephyrs be somehow involved in akainus backstory or someone else’s?
I think zypher maybe but unlikely. Oda could write them in like he did uta
Honestly I don't think rocks would be that mad at it as long as he didn't take the contracts because the difference between him and Harold is BB is foolin them and constantly betraying them almost making them look like dumb fools
he added shiki in rocks crew maybe he can do the same thing?
but like backstory idk
just wondering lol it’s confusing haha
I think shki was always in rocks crew and he was always canon
Or at the very least he was always canon
i got the impression that Xebec spat at anyone who tried to allign themselves with the World Government, no matter the purpose, given he knows that they'll get the upper hand in the end
Ed war took place
like Blackbeard is playing around the devil when he is making these plans with allying himself with the World Government, even if it's for a ploy
if you get too close you'll get burned
You know I think your right to assume this but I'm not 100 percent with it like I'm 85-95 depending on the context
True but it seems like BB has a plan and the other thing is we don't now if the Yami was that fruit that rocks was looking for
Like maybe rocks screwed up cus he thought he could kill Imu in one shot but than he was discovered there was no way Imu or the wg would ever let him join or anything like it
Eris mentioned that Xebec was forced to take on Imu even if he wasn't ready, so yeah
the Yami might be what turns the tables
i assume that the fruits that Xebec was talking about were the Yami and whatever fruit Loki has
either that or he meant the Nika fruit, though i find that hard to believe as he didn't know of Nika when Loki talked to him

although Oda could just say that Xebec was refering to the fruit of Joyboy
as he knew of Joyboy and Davy Jones
rn i'm super board with the Yami being a logia incarnation of the abyss
so imu can't hurt teach
but teach can hurt imu
that would make sense, though i find their powers being vastly different so far
I bet Yami's darkness can "wash" off the Abyss stuff
I like to think there's multiple Nika fruits and multiple Abyss fruit
Imu has the Abyss Zoan, Teach has the Abyss Logia, Moriah has the Abyss paramecia
Imu has domain over the monsters, Teach over the form, Moriah over the shadows
at this point i think that Imu has conjured a mastership over black-magic
the likes that we saw when Brook was sent away by Kuma, though he has mastered it unlike the cultitsts there
like, the petagrams the grimoire
it feels like they're a necromancer mage almost
something different from your ordinairy devil fruit user
that would be cool, i won't lie
kind of funny that basic fantasy magic might just exist
^^^
as long as imu is the only one who can use it i’m fine
i think that Imu's power is more or less a devil fruit power without being bound by the contract of a devil fruit if that makes sense, like they can siphen the powers of devil fruits by use of their expertise in magic sort of like their grimoire being the ultimate devil fruit power storage
i don’t want it to become a seperate power system
it would also make for a fitting explanation where the powers of devil fruits come from
if it's just magic that was shaped into different fruits to be used by the average folk
and said magic was lost to history, Imu being the only one left who knows of it
that’d be cool
The CDs are a really good choice if Oda wanted to introduce a new power system at this stage
they've been so isolated from the story
and it makes sense they'd keep it to themselves
I think they’ll be used as henchmen
The CDs?
I was talking about whatever Imu, the knights and elders have going on
but it could be any CD fr
i don't think the average celestial dragon knows of it
Probably not
only those who convert into a pact with Imu, like the holy knights and elders
The ones worth a damn in defending Marijoa
basically, lol
also, what if the key to the ancient kingdoms advanced technology was magic
like what if magic served as the source for their advancements
i think that would make for a fitting reason why Imu is so dedicated to making sure that everything regarding the Void Century is left a void
they don't want people to recover that advanced form of progression, via the magic that they currently are the only one who knows of
heavy spitballing right now
youre onto something because the subtext of egghead is that the government has kept people separated/isolated, suppressed education and exchange of information and technological advancement to prevent another great kingdom
yeah, exactly
i think this is from the romance dawn one shot
this is probably the best evidence to go with, for Imu being a master of black-magic
as they literally say that the black-magic worked and they summoned a real demon, lol
Yup, Imu is Shpiel
Spielmu
Yea
Its kinda contradictory too though since VP was actively trying to replicate/mimic said technology under the command of the WG, specifically Saturn for some of it at least.. therefore kinda under Imu's command since Saturn was essentially one of Imu's "voices" & Imu also had urgency of testing the technology that VP created (Mother Flame)
I think they can turn into dragons
Topman Warcury and Shepherd Ju Peter
Actually right looks more like Nusjuro
true, there's certainly some loop holes
I think Imu clearly desires the technology of the AK
They just don't want everyone having it
maybe it's a combination of technology and magic
the will of D? i've got D will... to leave the theater!
"Kinemon's alive?
That's the real tragedy, now he has to go through more of this awful arc! Ohohohohoho!"
Oda definitely forgot
i am rolling with the idea that she is hiding on Whitebeard
As long as Luffy isn’t the only one that can dispel it
i think that’s nigh guaranteed no matter what route we go unfortunately
Next time we see Dragon he's making his own pentagram
No Stussy and no Gil...
Is it me or do I hear bon voyage
speaking of bon voyage, i am so excited to see what new intro they'll have when they enter Elbaph arc
Stussy didnt make the cover but the dude in only like 5 panels and dead in one of them made it
Fraud Marlon...
It better be by Hiroshi
i think i'd like a more somber feeling for the next opening
simply because Elbaph so far has been quite somber inbetween the hype
He died protecting shakky

though... something like Valhalla Calling would be sick as well, truly feeding into the hype
Awakened brook? 👀
Yeah it’s more like another way for Imu to control the world by having powerful weapons by his side rather than fallen into “wrong” hands
Only recently
I thinks it’s gonna be similar to how Wano and Egghead first openings sounded cause it began with upbeat tone
The government didn't make efforts to reclaim the AWs themselves either
Oda forgot
yeah probably
Spandine had to convince the Elders to authorize the CP-9 operation to get the blueprints to Pluton
York sending them the Mother Flame probably made them decide to entertain using the Weapons themselves
I have been telling people on how both one shots of romance Dawn would be relevant very soon, hell it did foreshadow that Devil fruits were made of dreams with how it used to be called dream fruits
I'm 99% sure I figured out the end of the story
what you got for me
And based on egghead I feel like the openings would reflect in the tone of the season that the Elbaf arc has right now
Like later half is gonna be more intense
can't wait
it's bound to connect in one way or another and there's already plenty of things which could be lining up
Yeah like the first one mentioned about devil fruits coming from illusion tree or black magic like you mentioned too
is it breakweek still i lost track of time
nah

Engagement gifs come tomorrow
We get chapter on Wednesday
Rejoice
excited
I’m not gonna lie. I’m kind of worried about Brook especially considering this is what happened the last time he fought with gunko
But Luffy and Loki will probably save him
So maybe I don’t have to worry
Loki will save Jarul and Luffy will save Brook is my guess
i hope imu tries to domi reversi brook and it doesn't work cause he's already dead
Tbh they weren't aware of gunko's ability
I suppose that’s true but then again because gunko is currently possessed, she can now fly and that’s probably the thing I’m most worried about
Because Brook doesn’t have long range attacks that could reach someone that could fly
He's probably already beat up
ngl imu don't look too bothered by brook rn
Why would they
Yall just assumed brook didnt get taken out easily when he got taken out easilt prior by gunko and had the help of the other shs 
I know and that’s what I’m afraid of. I fear that Brook might have already been dealt with, but on the other hand. Domi reversi Brook would go hard. Ngl
we'll probably see Brooks head roll around somewhere
Brook doesn't die so easily, so you don't have to worry
Luffy will save Brook just in time
throw a glass of milk at him, he'll be good as new 
*brook will safe luffy just in time
Hello
save Luffy from what, lol
Hi
to save him from brook, idk, I'm out of ideas 
loki and luffy are going to one shot imu next chapter
I would like to bet the entire server's souls on this!
would be very funny
meek is damning me to hell
I agree!
Same color face paint 
Maybe it’s a scar
Idk
Oh the color really got changed
That’s weird
But just the scar
Accident or on purpose
How
idk it just looked like it was hair but he styled it a bit more lmao
idfk
he has one on the right side of his face, makes sense for the left to have one too
Buggy isnt anyone special and is not related to rocks
Manmayer Buggy > Rocks/Davy D Buggy
buggy the clown > special heritage buggy
love yourself like Luffy loves water
hydrobros rise

what if brook got domi already
i like how they added this part of the helmet without the helmet its just there
Wonder if Wafalo will cook up a dragon Loki
hope so
Funny thing about this is that the discrepancy between the sizes of Loki and Luffy should be much more pronounced than in this painting!
The gap is too small!
yeah for sure
if not, Oda definitely will
I mean
He was in the castle while transformed at one point, the castle he is currently like 60xs bigger than
it's either Loki changing his size, or it's Oda
if he can't change his size, then maybe that'd be a good reasoning for why he went into his hybrid form when he went against Harald
how is loki not awakened yet at this size? when we saw him next to the tree he took up like 1/8th of the tree's height
cause that doesn't correlate?
plus, we've still not seen the detailed overview of his form
i still think that this is a sillhouette-esque version
pretty high i'd say
because he seems way too overpowered to be on the straw hat's side
but then again if he DOES get domi reversi'd then that makes imu's side too overpowered
if Imu retreats then i think that they'll do a last ditch effort by reversing Loki as they are going to leave
so it'll end up becoming Loki as well as the giants against the straw hats and Gaban
and unlike Harald and Xebec, Loki and the giants will be rescued successfully by Luffy probably due to the Nika properties
Apparently the more accurate way to say kuzans original justice is unmotivated justice
i feel like zoans get bigger every time they awaken which is why i was curious
i don't think that's the case, lol
who does ?
kaku and lucci?
Lucci grows more slender if anything
oh alright then im mistaken
he looked taller and more muscular
Lucci has always gotten bigger
yeah, and kaku as well
i don't know about the height, though i'd guess they're about even
and Kaku didn't change too much, looks like a thicker neck if anything
oh alright it really isnt an issue i just had the impression zoans always get bigger when they awaken since they're supposed to be a lot more advanced than their previous forms
that's fair, though i think when they awaken it's often a area of the fruit's capabilities which they specialize in
also i just noticed Kaku in his awakened form got a tail, lol
his torso also seems to become more stocky
If the assumption that loki was going against the WG during his captivity was true wouldnt we assume that thats what hes gonna do after elbaf? He has more reason to hate the WG than ever
maybe hes the catalyst that will get the proper war really going
lucci got skinnier and kaku got chonkier
one could say that ragnarok has already been heralded with the arrival of Loki and Luffy
yeah this would explain the final war, i expect whatever jarul was quoting will be important by then as well
the thundering and snow representing the fimbulwinter
and the goosebumps luffy got
maybe they're destined to be together
jaruls quote seals the deal for me they were always supposed to be together, also shanks being the destined child kind of orchestrated their meeting
yeah, seems like it
i wouldn't be surprised if Shanks knew that they were destined to meet, hence why he probably stopped Loki from going to Marijoa
he had to protect Loki's future in time for Joyboys arrival
as well as carrying a heavy burden for Haralds death
i wonder if it will tie into this
since they're literally guiding the world to it's end, if it's really referencing the fimbulwinter right now
heralding ragnarok, which is the end of the world
and there's certainly chaos going on in Elbaph as of now
whats a fimbulwinter
Especially after what jarul said
it's a never ending winter, preluding ragnarok
He said the sun god is accompanied by a beast
yeah
oh dang
maybe the mural was very literal with the tree in the middle
maybe the events will all surround the tree of Elbaph
not only that, but Jarul could also be the inconvinient remnant as he is undesirable to Imu as of now, which is why they want to dispose of him and replace him with Dory and Broggy. hence the inconvinient remnant (Jarul) recalls the promised day which he quoted in the latest chapter
hearing the voice of the half-moon, perhaps meaning the drums of liberation?
the sun god dances and laughs, leading the world to it's end.
he knows what his best arc is
definitely seems likely
im starting to think loki might not be domi reversed after all of this given importance, he already looks like a domi reversed person
i'm 50/50, i could see either or
but i definitely think that the third world being quoted in the mural is what's going down right now
there's definitely parts of the harley we've not seen
Jarul could've been quoting a part which we've not heard
yeah that book has plenty of pages unless Loda wants us to believe theres just one singular thick page
The Harley probably split across a ton of murals and the ponegliffs
Shuron what do you think about my idea, that the third world is what we're witnessing right now on Elbaph
i think the events almost match perfectly
Yeah. Like I wonder if Fishman Island for example has their own version or interpretation of it that rhymes with Elbaf’s
Or if countries have more specific interpretations than Elbaf
🤔
Shyarly foresaw something
though i don't know, since they don't really believe in Nika like Elbaph do, so maybe they wouldn't be as inclined to have heard about the prophecy as such?
but maybe their prophecy is surrounding Poseidon instead.. so you might have a point there
instead of the sun god, they've got the same kind of harley but with the sea god at the center
Where the will of d was first mentioned
And blackbeard was mentioned
I personally think all three worlds happened on Elbaph
Loki says the underworld is also known as the first world in their mythology
It’s the first level
Franky said War-Land is an island where the societies have collapsed under war repeatedly
oh yeah, you're right
A new one just rises up around the tree after
The second world happened in the sun realm
The third world we saw in the mural gonna play out in the heaven realm
Numero tres
could be, though i think that the third act is playing out currently
i could see that, yeah
if this is the case, then the harley foresaw Luffy being victorious on Elbaph
as it ends with the sun returns and they will surely meet
Thats when the humble supernova shows up
Nah deadass
maybe the grand fleet finally does it's thing
Urouge up there with Kid and Killer’s son Shiki
And the Revos
i'm unsure on that, considering that i believe that they're occupied with Marijoa
“Hey strawhat…you teamed up with this guy right?”

Tbh I feel like that’s Blackbeard and York
Kid and killer splitting the sky on each other as training
does imu know loki killed a holy knight yet

it could very well be Blackbeard
Loki, specifically? I think so
they certainly will figure it out soon at least
i was confused on why loki was left alive but ig it can be explained as plot armor
since i assume that Imu knows of the fruit that Loki ate
but if imu knew i feel like their best interest is to take loki out immediately
thats probably true but imu doesnt act strategically
Yeah I think York realized they were gonna send an elder to make sure the Vegapunk’s couldnt protect themselves with the Pacifista and Seraphim
She tipped Blackbeard off she he sent Devon and Auger so Devon could acquire the Elder and they can make a solid escape
York then goes to Marijoa and she helps them infiltrate and steal the Seraphim
Might Reversi him since his idol and father both got caught
that would be interesing for sure
yeah i think thats 50/50 now
York and Teach are both driven by greed, after all
true
And Blackbeard recognized the Seraphim as Pacifista, and the world knows Vegapunk made those
I'll bet my kidney, that the revs are gonna show up
He couldn’t believe they were Lunarian
Same
Dragon’s last scene in Egghead is perfect set up for it
revs ❌ kidd ✅
He knows the giants have the void century history from Ohara
He’s the one who gave them permission to take it
And he knows the straw hats, meaning Robin, left with the giants
have y'all seen the idea circulating around that Dragon has eaten the hellfire serpent fruit
Cause of the markings?
it's a pretty baseless idea, though mostly constructed on the pattern of the snake lol
yup
It’s interesting
id like to see some signs of that lmao
it's also because of Dragon's "insurgent serpent" epithet
though i think that's exclusive to the anime, no?
Elbaf concerns them. If the WG by any chance subjugates Elbaf, they'd be risking getting swept away by powerful reinforcements. I believe a special envoy will arrive to Elbaf to deter the HKs and attempt to recruit the straw hats.
I’d wager the hellfire serpent was a magma catastrophe that cooled down into the red line
Yeah, but it was “the rebellious dragon” in Japanese
Viz didnt translate it
yeah and dragon and serpent are interchangable in a lot of cultrues
That’s the second time a major thing with dragon went like that
could be, it's all up in the air until we see what's going down on Marijoa
i feel like the preferred epithet is dragon not serpent
i guess the hellfire serpent could count as a dragon of sort
When Dragon asked Kuma to tell him what he saw in Marijoa, Kuma responded like PX-0 ans said “yes master”
Viz didnt keep that
@rapid ridge i have a version of that emote you put in suggestions but it's a still cap from the anime, i made it several years ago. cleaned bellamy's blood off luffy's hand for it lol
I cannot wait for us to get the robin timeskip flashbac
i think it's better than the manga variant
thats a stretch i feel like a lot of other people fit as the hellfire serpent connection so far
must be because Dragon is in the authority-hierarchy
the only major suspects were Loki and the red-line
and Loki was funny enough the other big creature on the mural
Yup
whom i think is Uranus by the way
Dragon is known as a great liberator himself
Just like Nika
I think Dragon will free the Seraphim from Blackbeard
that would be dope
And by extension the government
“Seraphim, I command you to be free”
The command hierarchy will be useless because it’ll be an order that cant end
And no one will outrank dragon
Shaka would definitely do that, lol
to make sure that Dragon gets the upperhand
oh yeah there is only one ngl
Ya
i like the rain fruit theories for dragon
We already know they were in touch
yeah
I heard the one about the mythical zoan amaru
Controlling wind rain and lightning which all makes sense because he did all of those in loguetown
yeah there's a lot of those, lol
if it was up to me i'd like for him to have a weather logia
Weather logia wouldn’t make sense though if it was a logia it would probably be wind logia
But weather paramicia is possible
i think a weather logia would essentialy be the same as a forest logia
Anyways I’m tired of the mythical zoan fruits I would really want him to have weather powers
Nami noticed a storm was coming well before Luffy was even captured.
instead of the forest logia being like a plant logia or wood logia, it encompasses all areas of a forest
a weather logia would encompass all areas of the weather circle
Is there already a forest logia?
Buggy got struck by lightning
yeah, Greenbull
Oh is that why people thought Dragon was coming to Egghead? Cause of the conversation with Shaka?
The storm had nothing to do with Dragon. Maybe the lightning was, but id rather just think Dragon was going to sit back and watch it happen
His is plant logia though
yeah basically
I think dragon did probably blow in the storm clouds
Though if that was Dragon it was rather reckless given Dragon didnt know Luffy was immune to lightning
But yeah it’s most likely a wind fruit
i was on the revs on egghead train until the halfway point in the arc when cp0 was subdued and i was like yeah nvm they have nothing left to do here
i'm impatient for dragon
Maybe Garp told him Luffy became a rubber man
I also don’t think anything prompted buggy being zapped other than him holding metal up in a storm and fate
it's a forest logia
mori means forest or woods
I mean sure, but Nami herself knew luffy was rubber for as long as she knew him and still was surprised by his immunity
woods is essentialy a forest, lol
Yeah probably because there’s no way dragon would recklessly strike luffy w lightning
Nami isn’t exactly super invested in logia fruits and their counters till that moment in skypiea. I presume dragon is a logia combatant and it’s always on his mind
But again I don’t think dragon summoned lighting there lol
When lol
back in logue town
No
I understand but for a fruit to be a logia it has to be a substance. Wind rain and lighting is many
He didn’t
Ugh lemme check
well, i'd say that forest has many as well
What chapter is it?
100 i think
K gimme a min
And smoker said “is this some sort of coincidence?”
yeah, that too
Yeah but trees roots vines are basically all living plants and all have the same properties. Wind rain lighting have different properties
Loki showed you dont need a logia to be a master of elements. If dragon had a dragon fruit like lokis he could probably do the loguetown things easily
i guess so, though they stem from the same
But my main concern has always been that Nami knew about the storm beforehand suggesting it was natural
Nami could probably tell an artificial storm as well, given her expertise on it
she just didn't know what caused it, at the time
Yeah but there are so many hints that dragon can also control lighting and rain
Like this
Kaido also showed this, lol
突風だァ!!!!
Kaido's mere presence caused a storm around him
I could be being dumb but I’m like 90% sure the marines are crying this out
definitely could be the case, lol
it would be cool if it was Dragon though
yeah, i could see that
Wonder what Stephen did
Yeah wind control is definitely confirmed
Thats future sight beyond Katakuri if Nami knew Dragon would cause a storm before Luffy was even caught
yeah that sounds like the marines doesn't it
why would dragon shout that out
I think so but I don’t think this is an attack name from him lol
His mouth is also shut on the art here
well she has an expertise in weather after all
And Oda usually has it open for stuff like this
But at the same time I was thinking that if dragon really could control the weather wouldn’t that undermine Namis abilities
Like I’m pretty sure her endgame power would be weather control
2 people w weather control doesn’t seem realistic
Nami being inferior to Dragon is of no consequence
Chopper is inferior to Law as a doctor
there's also dozens of weather controlling abilities in the series
see also big mom and kaido
They affect the weather not control it
is there really a difference
all i remember from the anime is that they colored the gust green lol
that just feels semantic
Like yeah they can’t strike a person down w lighting at will or blow someone away with a gust of wind to throw them of fcourse
they probably couldn't make it out who it was from either
Also this is defo wind powers lmao
can they not lol
Dragon splitting the fire here is so sick
Yea the panel before hand he caused an explosion
Hes moses parting the red sea
Yeah perish the thought of identical powers in one piece. The ton ton fruit and the kilo kilo fruit are totally diffrent and saying otherwise is legally actionable
yeah that's what came to my mind as well, lol
Oda is not slick!
Fujitora level feat btw
Lately, I've been of the opinion that dragon's fruit is another mythical zoan. The hellfire serpent. I think that's how he donned the moniker "insurgent serpent" too. If he's the hellfire serpent fruit user, then if BB kills dragon, then BB could be the hellfire serpent + earth god. Thoughts?
The thing is air would like fan the flames and make them bigger and spread no? Woudl be funny if he screwed them over mid speech
All I’m saying is we wouldn’t really be shocked when namis able to control the weather at a large scale because we would’ve already seen dragon do it. And I think oda wants us to be surprised when we see her power. But don’t get me wrong I really hope he was weather control abilities
this could be Kuma though
Kuma blowing up the land while Dragon parts the fire
I think the hell serpent is the redline and the earth god is a being who could manipulate the earth like an earth fruit
Yeah there was also a scene in Kuma flashback where dragon appears on his ship infront of ivankov which could mean he moves with the wind so it could be a logia
the redline isn't literally the serpent, I think that's the point
these mythical figures aren't literally real
there are physical things in the real world that represent them, ie through fruits, monuments (like the redline), etc
the earth god is likely just a past wielder of the gura fruit
I disagree on that
right now this is what I'm thinking
I don’t think fruits existed in that era
watch the earth god be the sand fruit
I think fruits came into being in the second world
I do agree the Sun God and Earth God might not have literally existed tho before their fruits did
Maybe
I can see it both ways
Sun God = Luffy/Nika fruit wielder
Forest God = Loki/Elbaf dragon fruit wielder
Rain God = Dragon/whatever he can do
Earth God = Blackbeard/not sure on why
Hellfire Serpent = is a fruit + is the redline, but the redline is not a serpent itself
Imu = devil
smth like this
Yea i think the redline was created by imu
no
Separate people on purpose
redline was not made by imu
the red line was pre-imu
lol
the grand line was made by imu tho i think
I don’t see how the Nidhog is forest related
its not nidhogg, its definitely just a one piece mythology specific dragon
i see
personally i think that Loki's fruit is Uranus
I think its loosely based on nidhogg though
Earth God is a nerona most likely
I think he’d be closer to rain if you had to tie it to one
okay well
forest rain are interchangeable
They're indistinguishable to me
Completely arbitrary choosing between the two
The general idea is what I'm trying to convey
Imu could be the forest god, specifically because the flower room
It’s known for summoning lighting and snow tho and got name checked like 3 times in Elbaf
as well as taming the demons
Forest god might be loki or possibly lily
Imu isn’t any of them I don’t think
that's from ragnir though
^
You think Ragnir does the element stuff?
we don't know if it's from Loki or Ragnir yet
I thought that would be Loki tbh
Ragnir has shown elemental attacks though Loki's dragon form might be able to conjure up the same, given Kaido could
I don’t agree meek, Ragnir is living his best squirl life atm on his back
as well as Jarul's quotation of the prophecy, snow and thunder as a giant beast blots out of the sky
It doesn’t look like he’s doing anything
It looks like the snow and lighting is coming from Loki to me
This speech highlights each of the main three actors in the scene
"Lightning and snow combine" - Ragnir
"A vast beast will blanket the sky" - Loki
"the sun god will rise" - Luffy
It would be nice if there was a moon god
I don’t think that’s the case
I think the first half highlights Loki and the second Luffy
same
I don’t see Ragnir as a unique third party in the speech
So I think it’s jumping the gun to assume it’s saying the power is one and not the others
the closest to that will probably be Blackbeard
Atm visible evidence makes me think it’s the fruit’s power
Especially because a niddhog controlling snow and lighting isn’t without merit
Nah bb is the blackhole / darkness. A dead sun
Also wow idk how far people’s options diverged on this gods thing
personally i don't think that Loki is the Nidhogg
The moon is represented via multiple support characters to luffy like zoro (shimotsuki), the minks, kozuki, etc
I think so too because if u look at the moon there are 3 circles which could represent BBs 3 personalities or souls
Okay yeah so I think our divergence in thought process is that I don't think Loki is the nidhogg
if Loki was the Nidhogg then i feel like the name wouldn't be hidden from us for so long
It's too specific on an IRL mythological beast considering how important it is in the context of the OP-original mythos
His fruit could’ve been anything tbh
i think that Loki's fruit is something far more, like Uranus or something
at this scale, the power output would be comparable to whatever Imu is controlling
does my eyes decieve me, or isn't there 5 circles on that moon
Those 2 filled black ones don’t count
oh
so what do you think it is
Okay I think:
Sun God: Nika (mythological figure that freed slaves)
Earth God: Figure that raised the hell-serpenent redline and punished those who dreamed of freedom.
Forest God: The nation/ creator(s) of the devil fruits.
Sea God: The great flood (caused by Imu)
This guy had a good theory watch it if u want
the earth god could more or less be Pluton
the sea god could be Poseidon
The description of darkness and death covering the world lines up with super volcanos blocking out the sun with their ash clouds
I can agree with that if it resulted in the redline going up
The cataclysm hardened into the red line
Not in this context
So dragon is a myth zoan right if we being real about what's likely
That lines up with Nami explaining that islands form from volcanoes, and that that the red line consists of many islands merged together
I do like that
Or rather that the consistency of the red line matches up to several islands merged together
Would explain why the people want a sun god
the first world mentions a ring of fire doesn't it?
oh, you want more abstract figures?
like natural disasters etc. to be seen as godly actions
No I think pluton is just made too late to be the earth god
Oh it doesn't mention a ring
that was something else
The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness.
And I think posidon can’t be responsible for the flood
Which are the indicators in the story imo
The earth god raged with tis serpent of hellfire = magma erupted from the planet in a ring around the planet that formed into the red line
i agree with Pluton being made too late, but i disagree with Poseidon i definitely think they could cause a major flood if they'd want to, especially someone more experienced than Shirahoshi
I agree but this is in response for people reaching for the sun? How?
The Ring of Fire (also known as the Pacific Ring of Fire, the Rim of Fire, the Girdle of Fire or the Circum-Pacific belt) is a tectonic belt of earthquakes and volcanoes.
It is about 40,000 km (25,000 mi) long and up to about 500 km (310 mi) wide, and surrounds most of the Pacific Ocean.
The Ring of Fire contains between 750 and 915 active or do...
Whatever the fuel they were extracting was, maybe
Nidhogg is a dragon that lives at the roots of Yggdrasil, the giant world tree that represents all life. Because he’s directly tied to this cosmic tree and its roots, it makes sense symbolically that a Nidhogg power could be seen as a “Forest God.
nahhhh
The Ring of Fire (also known as the Pacific Ring of Fire, the Rim of Fire, the Girdle of Fire or the Circum-Pacific belt)[note 1] is a tectonic belt of earthquakes and volcanoes.
I’m feel very strongly the forest god is the creation of devil fruits
Forest god is probably the Eve tree
Yup
if Loki had the fruit of the Nidhogg why would Oda drag it out?
we've already seen the Nidhogg in the MMA creature
Tamed demons
As in, managed to create a way to produce Imu's powers through DFs maybe
Replicated Imu's natural demonic powers through the fruits
“The forest god sent forth it’s devils/ demons and the sun god lit the embers of war”
aight bruh
take kid out and put in jack
To me this was the creation of devil fruits and joy boy, raising his army with the powers of Nika
that makes sense
Usopp’s expectations was so much lower putting him with any of these monsters is amazing for him
i think the most curious part about Imu is their flower room
it's so distinct from what we see from them otherwise
almost like there's some forest connection there
Oda reuses myth references all the time, so seeing a Nidhogg creature once doesn’t really mean anything. If Loki had a Nidhogg fruit, it’d be a major Elbaflore thing, not just a random cameo.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind at all if Imu was instrumental in the creation of Devil Fruits. I feel like he betrays Joy Boy at the very end
sure, but i feel like it's being built up as something shocking
which it being Uranus, one of the three ancient weapons certainly would supply
if it's just Nidhogg let's say, then i feel like Oda wouldn't need to drag it out for so long
Man slew the sun and became God.
that would be sick
yea thats a good point, there probably is something about that
deep in imus backstory
Yeah it could be Uranus tbh it doesn’t not make sense
if not Imu, then whatever has taken control of Imu
assuming that they're being controlled, lol
same
I used to think the Lunarians were the most ancient evil. I’m 50/50 on the idea now. But my idea was the sun god was to oppose the moon people, like a symbolic “dawn is coming, it won’t be night forever” thing
Yea
Imu is the biggest bad of the series
The man in charge of sound effects for op anime has retired
my preference for imu is they started out good or at least somewhat understandable/neutral and theyve gone a little insane and been corrupted by 800 years of despotic rule
Good news!

I agree, i dont even think its necessarily horrible if BB ended up being the final enemy, but dont let it be that this whole time Imu is being controlled by something bigger
i hate to be a hater but the sound effects were the weakest part of the anime
But I can see the final fight being a three way with bb and luffy trying to take down Imu for their own worlds to be birthed
i think it would also line up considering that it has been safekept for so long by the giants, it's also been shown to be one of the few things capable of causing enough damage to outright effectively counter Imu's domi reversi
and it would supply a shock to the fanbase, as most i've seen are thinking that whatever Imu has is Uranus but i think it would be fitting if it's Imu's attempt at mimicking the power that Joyboy had on his side
fair enough, i just think it's interesting that they call themselves Mu at some points lol
If theyre a descendant of the ppl that were enslaved in the first world it makes even more sense why they took out the lunarians too
They’ll continue to use his sfxs, and let’s not pretend the man isnt a legend after all his contributions. Blame the studio for recycling not him
yeah and that even might be understandable in the moment. And maybe that kind of behavior became a bad habit, a convenient tool. But I would love a reasonable starting point and a degredation down to where we currently are. I think imu just always being as evil as they are today is kind of simple and lame
I just wanna know who’s abusing the dbz sound bank from the 90s
Yeah I also think that because we still don’t know what D means but I think it’s “dawn” as in where people with the will of the d come from. Dawn island or kingdom
I think D don/ dawn is a guarantee but the ultimate meaning of both is freedom- the don of the liberation drums and the dawn wording mean the same thing
It’s the dream of freedom
Regardless of which word Oda picks
ultimately i think the D is just a symbol of the half-moon people mentioned in the mural
And I also think that’s because we still haven’t seen a celestial dragon with “d” in their name so they could be the moon people
that's not the meaning i think it has
Rocks I think
Did rocks smile ?
no he didn't
i don't think so
I think it’s Dawn / Don but I agree it’s ultimately the dream for a happy free future
sometimes things are obvious because they make a lot of sense
Also I think this thematically ties as a faulty devil fruit is a smile
I think the idea is that joy is the great unifier of people
and it perseveres through all things
i think what oda's going for, is that the laughs in the OP world is what the ancient language is
those who made the ponegliffs used laughter as the codex for the language
didn't Imu say that the D are labels for the enemies of the 20 kingdoms
symbolizing that their joy will persevere and win the fight
that's why roger said it was a tale full of laughs
he was being literal
they wrote it in laughter
Well
it being wrote in literal laughter is funny
Like it’s so crazy that you can only laugh at how it turned out
Feeso, if you go back and look at the chapter where Saul met Robin
It starts off with Clover saying it's important for history to be preserved
Yeah
Robin thought it was language
And immediately after that, they talk about the D
In my opinion the devil fruits came from the abiss or the underworld. Like the place were the elders go when they use that pentagram to move to places
Hmm
and saul tells robin laughter will get you through any despair
I’m not saying I agree but there’s some merit in it thematically at least
man, i sometimes forget that Saul is a D
Perona, Kaido, and Whitebeard
Their laughs are all their DF names
Big Mom laughs like "Mama hahaha"
Okay wait I’ll go line by line then for the Harley
Do u guys think odas gonna give ussop a fucking buff or blue ball us again?
I doubt it will be a buff
Oda will have Usopp lean into his existing strengths and overcome his insecurities
I’m tired of him shooting beans bro
Don't expect Usopp to suddenly stop being weak at what he's weak at, I think
that's too bad, Oda is just gonna make the beans more viable
the only hope i've got from Usopp when it comes to a buff, is if he fed his Kabuto a devil fruit
I think there's a decent chance he gets a buff to be honest.
But I also think he might get Gunko's devil fruit
Arrow Arrow would be perfect for Usopp
** Within the earth there was fire. **
There was an energy source harvested at the earth’s core.
** Mankind succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun. **
People greedily harnessed this power despite its risks.
The enslaved prayed, and the sun god appeared.
The enslaved were used to harvest this energy and suffered. They prayed for a hero and one rose up, Nika. A jolly warrior to tried to save the laborers. (I assume many were giants or mixed bloods like buccaneers).
The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness.
A disaster occurred in the battle, the red line came up in a volcanic disaster and the world was filled with ash and despair.
And they will never meet.
The oceans were split apart and people/ whales could not come together.
Yup
That’s my read in the first world
I want BB to kill viola an take her devil fruit and when van augur fights ussop he finds the devil fruit and eats it then becomes a sniper that can see any distance
I think centuries pass before the second world
It's specifically the moon people
They were harvesting resources from the blue planet after they fucked their own up
it's possible the first world happened on the moon
But it’s not written there
Yeah
Enel's cover story bridges the gap
They used their planet dry
I think the ancient weapons in general might have been harvesting tools tbh
the Lunarians originally were in control and the people turned to the Sun God to save them from this maybe
Cause moon will scumb to the sun idk
Onto era 2
I wonder if touching the forbidden fire is more literal than we think
people touched the motherflame or harnessed it
maybe that turned sky people into lunarians
and gave humans the power to produce flames
like we see with luffy, garp, sanji, kinemon, zoro and katakuri
Like it's something that's lingered in human DNA ever since
Within the void there was breath.
Something changed at a specific location in this ash world. Life and hope could flourish again.
The forest god tamed demons and the sun spread the fires of war.
The devil fruits were made via the manipulation of haki and desire, resulting in the creation of many champions who strive to unify and purify their polluted world. They created the ancient weapons to free it. A new Sun God, Joy Boy, rose up having eaten a fruit that granted the legendary powers now attributed to Nika. He rallied a rebellion to defeat the surviving Lunarians and restore the oceans to One Piece. As they formally rebelled against the rulers they are the first pirates.
Those of the half-moon dreamed.
Those of the moon dreamed.
The two factions warred over their ambitions. (Nika’s alliance and the Lunarian alliance).
Man killed the sun and became god, and the sea god stormed.
At the end of the war, one of the allied Kings, Imu, betrayed Joyboy and usurped his position, flooding the world and taking the place of the Lunarians as Gods of control. Like pirates they stole power and were corrupted.
And they did not meet.
the oceans, people and whales did not come together.
Within the void there was breath
I think that’s Imus myth zoan
An abyss-based monster
I’m not sure Imu’s powers are solely a fruit
Whenever Imu speaks in the manga I assume has the same voice as Seth Macfarlane Palpatine
From robot chicken
Within the chaos there was emptiness.
The aftermath of the void century. Knowledge and freedom of travel were curtailed and the WG established itself.
The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the half-moon.
The survivors of Imu’s purge become a thorn in his side as they take on the moniker D. And vow to one day bring about the promised Dawn to unite the seas and overthrow the would be gods. The knowledge is purged but the spirit of the promise survives in the mysterious initial passed from generation to generation.
The sun god shall dance and laugh, guiding the world to its end. The sun returns and brings a new morning. And they will surely meet.
A new Joy boy will rise when someone worthy eats the Nika fruit. They will lead the world and overthrow the usurpers and the promise of reuniting the seas and freeing the world will finally be fulfilled.
^^There there’s my read on every line!!
Third era is kinda worthless lore wise since it’s just the series lol
But I guess it needs to exist
i hope lucci is important in regards to all this stuff
where did youj hear that
a vanquished oracle
i hope thats not slander or something
his name was evil buggy
honestly I feel like you're likely correct about most of the mural
the first world is still the most mysterious tho
like old pontius
The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the half-moon.
I interpreted this as a reference to the Kozuki and Momonosukes future role, since half moon means Kozuki in Japanese. Plus we haven't really learned alot about Wanos past. I feel like the true purpose of the Kozuki is yet to be revealed.
The only inconvenient remnant I can think of is Zunesha. He's basically a sinner atoning for his sins. But when he arrived at Wano he was able to hear Momonosukes voice and adhere to his wish to not tear down the borders.
Saturn called Kuma, Luffy, VP and Bonney "inconvenient" iirc
In Wano, CP0 said the war was a good opportunity to eliminate "inconvenient" people
Voice of the crescent moon is actual translation
I think at least one other time, we're told that's the express job of CP0
Or CP9, rather
It is not half moon
To elininate "inconvenient" people
Hmmm maybe I misremembered
Half moon is mentioned in 2nd world. Third world is where crescent is mentioned (different word then half used in 2nd world)
I see
Khalid you almost got nuked
yall liked the new cover?
This will never not be funny
Meh
Yeah shit was banging. Although I was a bit disappointed that Gill bastar wasn't included
I lowkey miss the Kidd agenda
actual funny agenda because he was really a bum
Thx! ❤️
With an enel pfp is crazy
"Kurohige pirates" 🥀
yeah, I actually don't think we'll see the first world in flashback, I think it'll remain backstory, maybe it'll be explained but we won't see it as a narrative. i think we'll defo see World 2 play out tho when we reach Laugh Tale
and there's elements of world 2 that aren't touched on in my write up
like Davy Jones
@hazy turret hey
Eh
What
i'm saying hi?
hi im cool cos im in this chanel instead of normal one
to say hi
Hello, Rokaya. What’s up
I remember reading this in homeroom
Hiiiii it’s been a while how are you??
oh wow
Good! My sleep schedule is fucked at the moment but it’s all fine. Hope you’re doing great too.
What’s worse being a smoker fan or being a kid fan?
smoker
atleast with kid what they say about him isnt true
with smoker you cant even argue
just gotta accept it
Kozuki is closer to "moonlight" hence the song moonlight princess. It's also the whole OP story in mini. The moonlight ppl go away for 20 years and there's a dark night period for Wano, only for a hero to return and usher in a full dawn, as Toki promised.
I think inconvienent remnant is just the D, and the half moons are the D. We get told in the previous world that the half and full moons face off. I think the half moon faction wins, but Imu's faction breaks off and betrays Joy Boy, so the remaining halfmoons go on to become the Ds. Pretty sure imu literally calls them incontinences and remnants, he definitely calls them shells.
He’s still a vergo victim to this day
Its alright
Nah idk at least with smoker we got hope for the future
smoker will debut logia awakening
He's coming back with ACOC 🙏
Fitting since he was our first logia
If he does
That’d be great as he is a first logia user in the story
But voices of crecent moon
But that will be Greenbull
naw
honestly that's what I'm wondering too, Im kind of 50/50 on whether we get a first world flashback although personally I'd far rather we receive one. Could be cool if some things were left a mystery tho
Let me have it
smoker has been getting strong
No
rounding up criminals
there will always be backstory to the backstory
gotta stop somewhere
I'm happy for the first world to be explained
but I don't need a flashback for it
Yeah someone just informed me that Kozuki doesn't actually translate to the half moon so my basis for the whole theory is wrong 🙃
the second world has been the thing we were building up for ages
Stealing what I said

I wonder if the first and second world are the reason for the two calendar systems @woven talon
I will steal some more, no worries
Is joy boy a power up that just goes around ?
No
I'd probably go for broken moon tbh, but I know there's disagreement
I think that's just cultural.
but maybe
It's an older japanese word, but its different then half moon
oh?
yeah I'd go with broken but I know ppl like crecent and viz went with half again I think? Can't remember. I like to think it's a refrence to the split in the halfmoon faction that occured when imu betrayed joy boy
but who knows
The people of the crescent moon = Garling DUHHHHHH
Garling is Nika
He will save us inshallah
currently on chapter 1 of one piece when is gear 5
My friends that speak japanese say crecent is fair, but its vague since it can mean a partial, broken piece. But for moon related, crescent could be appropriate
Voices of crecent moon likely mean those who created poneglyphs
I think Arabasta is just much older so goes by a different internal calendar, and Noland was using the standard world wide age of the sea circle dates
yeah, that's why I like fragmented or broken moon, but it is fair
drum island is the key
yeah, I think it's a refrence to that and the D. The wishes/ inherited will of that last genration echoed on
Remnants D, and voices the crecent poneglyphs, yeah
💯
Building an entire theory on falsehood..............
Where spoilers at
Patience child
hope it comes early tbh, I can't do anything rn
and I have to prepare to go shoveling again, incoming blizzard that's about to dump between 18-24 inches of snow in my city, and need something to kill time 🥀
Bro it’s Sunday
Kyoko ❤️
Fucked up looking dog
We love punch
break week is over
discordia is in discord
that's not a cat
which one is cooler, dual wielding cigar or dual hook?
yeah judging from his expression those are the good kind of cigars
even the way he holds them 
yeah he looks jolly
dual hook croco doesn't, but understandably so I guess
I'd be pissed too, how would he even wipe
he needs a snickers
fetch him some meat and tomatoes
I'm no lizaru doordasher
I hate you
crocodile is 253m tall?
yup
Couldn't agree more
I will send you to the shadowrealm
baby is red hair
where is the shadow realm
asking for a friend
fyi, no
yohoho 
🍷
i guess they went with the anime colors, plus in the manga it's more brownish
i did my pips today within 30 secs
i swear last when i was here, it wasn't this dry
Hard mode?
Oda thinks he is slick
easy mode
Last month messages - 95k
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Let me do wordle first, otherwise my streak will be gone
my wordle streak of 2 days was broken yesterday
last time i was here was back in 2024
so
not that early 🙏
What was your previous account?


